The 2020 Presidential Race

[Corbic]

^^What are you talking about? Turkey is invading Syria, because the U.S. left. Russia has taken the helm and directed Turkey not to go beyond 10 kilometers into Syria.

So thr Kurds didn't get abandoned and genocided like you claim.


If Turkey refuses and continues, this could lead to a bigger war.

A bigger war not involving the US....


This will give plenty of time for ISIS to regroup and launch more attacks.

How?

You just said Russia moved in an secured Syria's boarder.

[lewisfk]

So thr Kurds didn't get abandoned and genocided like you claim.




A bigger war not involving the US....

Turkey is an UN Partner, so yes it involves the U.S.




How?

You just said Russia moved in an secured Syria's boarder.

The top Kurdish General asked the U.S. for help, but when the President let his plea fall on death ears the General reached out to Russia. Now the Russian and Syrian Army will confront Turkey in support of the Kurds. The Kurds just made a deal with the devil to avoid genocide by the hands of Turkish military.

[Corbic]

The top Kurdish General asked the U.S. for help, but when the President let his plea fall on death ears the General reached out to Russia.

Had they not plunged their own country into a Civil War seeking independence, they wouldn't have needed anyones help.


Now the Russian and Syrian Army will confront Turkey in support of the Kurds.

Crisis averted, no America help needed! One step closer to ending hostilities and reuniting Syria!

The Kurds just made a deal with the devil to avoid genocide by the hands of Turkish military.

What deal, what devil, what genocide?

By your own accounts, Russia has been the humanitarian savior from the very onset of the way.

The backed civil stability, provided funding, food and medical aid, provided troops and no fly zones and have worked tirelessly to bring resolution and peace.

US has only been shipping weapons to anyone claiming to be a "Freedom fighter", most of which are just straight up terrorists.

Genocide? Turkish paramilitary killed a dozen or so civilian clothed people. No dispute, seen the videos myself....

However, Turkey claims they are part of the Kurdish Terrorist forces who've been wreaking havoc back and forth the Turkish boarder and refusing to end the Civil War.

I posted the actual investigative journalist report showing how the Syrian Gas Attacks where hoaxes designed to get US/Western intervention.

There are also UN reports showing no evidence chemical weapons have ever used in Syria.

You people need to knock off this regime change bullshit already. Assad was an absolute puppy dog compared to countries like China, Brazil and Saudi Arabia. The war has nothing to do with "Freedom and Democracy". It's a drawn out proxy war of Iran, Iraq, Islamists, Israel, US, Russia and the Kurds.

Kurds ain't ever getting a country. They are Syrian Citizens and need to accept that, join the Syrian Military and defend the Syrian boarders.

[exitspeed]

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/17/us-and-turkey-agree-to-cease-fire-in-syria-vice-president-mike-pence-announces.html

"It will be a pause in military operations for 120 hours while the United States facilitates the withdrawal of the YPG from the affected areas in the safe zone. And once that is completed, Turkey has agreed to a permanent cease-fire,"

If this was 2016 and Obama people would be saying he deserves a for a Noble Peace Prize.

[feito]

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/17/us-and-turkey-agree-to-cease-fire-in-syria-vice-president-mike-pence-announces.html

"It will be a pause in military operations for 120 hours while the United States facilitates the withdrawal of the YPG from the affected areas in the safe zone. And once that is completed, Turkey has agreed to a permanent cease-fire,"

If this was 2016 and Obama people would be saying he deserves a for a Noble Peace Prize.

https://i.imgur.com/jt6MSHPl.jpg

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https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/17/us-and-turkey-agree-to-cease-fire-in-syria-vice-president-mike-pence-announces.html

"It will be a pause in military operations for 120 hours while the United States facilitates the withdrawal of the YPG from the affected areas in the safe zone. And once that is completed, Turkey has agreed to a permanent cease-fire,"

If this was 2016 and Obama people would be saying he deserves a for a Noble Peace Prize.


Yuppp:hyper::hyper:

[lewisfk]

First off Obama would of never abandoned an alley. This whole thing stinks like Trump U! Mitt Romney said it best today, Google it!

[Corbic]

First off Obama would of never abandoned an alley. This whole thing stinks like Trump U! Mitt Romney said it best today, Google it!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191018/62d55132de95ece60388d1913f57036a.jpg

You are full a shit dude.

And now you suddenly give a shit what Mutt Romney says?

[lewisfk]

Full of shit, thats your opinion! I'm sorry the President got it wrong and the majority of the Republican Party and Democratic Party is going in on him! How about you don't make policy decisions over tweet, and I'm damn sure this is the reason General Mattis left his administration. General Mattis' speech at the Al Smith dinner was hilarious!

[Future240]

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/17/us-and-turkey-agree-to-cease-fire-in-syria-vice-president-mike-pence-announces.html

"It will be a pause in military operations for 120 hours while the United States facilitates the withdrawal of the YPG from the affected areas in the safe zone. And once that is completed, Turkey has agreed to a permanent cease-fire,".

If this pans out, got to hand it to him. Great move. War avoided without dragging us into more conflict. Win Win for all.

[lewisfk]

CNN is reporting Turkey broke the seas fire already!

[Corbic]

CNN is reporting Turkey broke the seas fire already!CNN....

Let me know when an actual news source starts reporting it.

[Corbic]

Full of shit, thats your opinion! I'm sorry the President got it wrong and the majority of the Republican Party and Democratic Party is going in on him! How about you don't make policy decisions over tweet, and I'm damn sure this is the reason General Mattis left his administration. General Mattis' speech at the Al Smith dinner was hilarious!Are you doubting Obama turned his back on a long standing US Ally, Egypt!?? His "Arab Spring" let the country descend into madness! He sold out a huge American supporter, Mubarak to appease fundimental Islamic radicals and terrorists.

Are you doubting that Obama not only turned his back, but murdered Muammar Mohammed who had become an ally in the war against ISIS and Al-qaeda. In fact, then Dec. State Hillary Clinton bragged on national TV about killing him.

Now, Lybia, which was once the most advanced, moderate and economically stable African nations has descended into a Mad Max style post apocalyptic wasteland. We now have open slave markets where ISIS supporters are selling African migrants into slavery. The country is a humanitarian nightmare and a spring board for illegal-immigration into Europe.

If Trump had attacked Turkey ya'll would be crying he's siding with Russia, dragging us into another endless war without reason. He'd be going to war with a fucking member of NATO and the EU.

You need more then "but people are suffering and want freedom" to defend the decision to go to war. People are suffering all over the fucking world. Why are you not howling to send troops to Hong Kong?

[lewisfk]

Once again, why would the U.S. attack Turkey? Turkey has its own agenda and is acting on it know against the KURDS. Russia is supporting Syria, not Turkey. Once again your spouting nonsense. Russia will not allow Turkey to invade pass the greed upon point and cause anymore chaos in Syria.

Hong Kong has nothing to do with this! If American citizens wanted to help Hong Kong, they would stop buying products that are produced in China. Once China's GDP takes a major hit it, may be possible to push for better reforms. Our global supply chain is the major hurdle, stopping real reform in China.

[Corbic]

Once again, why would the U.S. attack Turkey? Turkey has its own agenda and is acting on it know against the KURDS.Russia is supporting Syria, not Turkey. Once again your spouting nonsense. Russia will not allow Turkey to invade pass the greed upon point and cause anymore chaos in Syria.

What in the absolute fuck are you arguing.

Do you even know what is going on there or you just spouting Orange Man Bad!! HE ABANDONED THE KURDS!!!




Hong Kong has nothing to do with this! If American citizens wanted to help Hong Kong, they would stop buying products that are produced in China. Once China's GDP takes a major hit it, may be possible to push for better reforms. Our global supply chain is the major hurdle, stopping real reform in China.


LA DEE FUCKING DA

So you support Trump's Tarriffs now?

What Kurdish products are Americans buying [emoji23][emoji23]

[lewisfk]

Are you crazy? The global supply chain is in reference to China, and no tariffs will not solve the problem. People who care about the struggles of the Chinese population will have make a hard decision when making purchase. Prop up a government with horrible human rights record or pay a little bit more for a product not made in China. The odds of this happening is slim to none.

[Corbic]

Are you crazy? The global supply chain is in reference to China, and no tariffs will not solve the problem. People who care about the struggles of the Chinese population will have make a hard decision when making purchase. Prop up a government with horrible human rights record or pay a little bit more for a product not made in China. The odds of this happening is slim to none.Dude, your a fucking riot.

So Chinese Atrocities are okay because they make cheap shit.

Stupid fucking Germans, if only they gave America the VW Beetle sooner...

Also, the Tarrifs are working. Turn off the Orange Man Bad drip already. Why do you think China is letting its porcelain mask slip? Then again, you likely haven't noticed.



Also, whatever happen to that Kurd solution you and the other consuming owed us?

[S14rebuild]

Dude, your a fucking riot.

So Chinese Atrocities are okay because they make cheap shit.

Stupid fucking Germans, if only they gave America the VW Beetle sooner...

Also, the Tarrifs are working. Turn off the Orange Man Bad drip already. Why do you think China is letting its porcelain mask slip? Then again, you likely haven't noticed.



Also, whatever happen to that Kurd solution you and the other consuming owed us?



Lmfao......dont anger the miltary muscle now...

[lewisfk]

There is no viable solution that will satisfy Turkey or Kurds. Lives have been lost, Trump was warned by Mattis and others not leave the region until Syria regained control of its borders. This is a crisis made by Trump for the sake of his ego. It is awesome how you ramble on about dumb ass shit like VW beetle, stop grasping for straws and add some real information.

[KyrinBingaman]

Anyone have recommendations to get unbiased news on the presidential race?

I haven't followed too much just because everyone on my Facebook feed seems to be a political expert. Since this is less than a year away now, I would like to start forming on an opinion on the Republican/Democrat canidates.

Side note: this fucking election has completely dicked car sales. Lots of people I've talked to say they're waiting for the election to be over, along with the fear of another recession, numbers are in the toilets.

[lewisfk]

I use C-Span, NPR, followed by BBC. C-Span is dry ass fuck, but you can see the debates and how they vote.

[Corbic]

I use C-Span, NPR, followed by BBC. C-Span is dry ass fuck, but you can see the debates and how they vote.

BBC is 100% Propaganda paid for by the British Government. Might as well read People's Daily.

[lewisfk]

I use BBC to keep up with European news, but when comes to journalistic integrity it ranks higher than Fox News!

[Corbic]

I use BBC to keep up with European news, but when comes to journalistic integrity it ranks higher than Fox News!Ranked by who? CNN?


Plenty of other news sources for World/European News that aren't UK Propaganda outlets.

Fuck, AlJazeera is less propagandistic

.

[lewisfk]

By Politico during the whole Fox vs John Stewart beef, and John Stewart destroyed their asses. While during this he named all the news agency that are more accurate and true full than FOX news, BBC was one. John Stewart also destroyed Bill O Riley on his show. Just you tube the episode, its worth the watch. Colbert and John also do a fantastic job explaining Citizens United over 4 episode.

[S14rebuild]

By Politico during the whole Fox vs John Stewart beef, and John Stewart destroyed their asses. While during this he named all the news agency that are more accurate and true full than FOX news, BBC was one. John Stewart also destroyed Bill O Riley on his show. Just you tube the episode, its worth the watch. Colbert and John also do a fantastic job explaining Citizens United over 4 episode.


Next ur gonna say bill maher is credible news source aswell....

[Corbic]

Next ur gonna say bill maher is credible news source aswell....He's clearly an NPC.


Meanwhile...

https://youtu.be/WxHmjA6vqDo

[Future240]

That is why i read, dailywire, red state, politico, bbc, npr, ccn, fox news. the hill, hot air, usa today etc.

I never take one media's spin on a topic. Reading both left and right sources shows me it is all about spin. For instance

https://www.msnbc.com/am-joy/watch/hillary-clinton-cleared-of-wrongdoing-in-email-probe-71718469902

vs

https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2019/10/18/state-dept-concludes-investigation-into-clinton-server-finds-almost-600-security-violations/

[Corbic]

That is why i read, dailywire, red state, politico, bbc, npr, ccn, fox news. the hill, hot air, usa today etc.

I never take one media's spin on a topic. Reading both left and right sources shows me it is all about spin. For instance

https://www.msnbc.com/am-joy/watch/hillary-clinton-cleared-of-wrongdoing-in-email-probe-71718469902

vs

https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2019/10/18/state-dept-concludes-investigation-into-clinton-server-finds-almost-600-security-violations/I take personnel issue with the whole email server thing.

Having worked in Gov Contracting for years I've seen dozens of people wrote up, reprimanded and terminated over data violations. Forwarding internal only memos, improperly storing test reports or just plug in external USB devices.

Computers and servers get seized, people get terminated. In one instance records previously classified "official use only" got upgraded to "classified" because of a related but detached program. 6 desk tops and 3 server units got seized without compensation.

I can't image anything the Secretary of State did via email would be considered public information, so having an offsight server would get you instantly terminated and likely brought up on criminal chargers for anyone in any other position.

[Corbic]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191022/98b8cc81ac493a186ce6c94579ca31de.jpg

[lewisfk]

Valid Point, rob Peter to pay Paul!

[rvns14]

How bad does it suck to be in your late/mid thirties and to have a chip on your shoulder about SS....

[Corbic]

How bad does it suck to be in your late/mid thirties and to have a chip on your shoulder about SS....Why are you even posting in a politics thread if you hold political and social issues in such contempt?

[S14rebuild]

https://youtu.be/ZiIvwWYWLrU

The real john wick....MY HERO

[S14rebuild]

Beto is done! Hahahah yup

[Future240]

If we are being honest all of them minus Biden, Warren and Sanders were done from
The start. When Sanders drops out it will be a Warren Biden shootout.

[lewisfk]

^^ GOOD, he is better of in the Senate. I need more Republicans Candidates, the three amigos are not doing it for me!

[Future240]

Kamala might be next.


https://www.dailywire.com/news/kamala-harris-slashes-her-entire-new-hampshire-field-team

[S14rebuild]

Fukn nut jobs.....none of them stand a chance

[midnight zenki]

Fukn nut jobs.....none of them stand a chance

That’s what they said about your nut job too.

[S14rebuild]

That’s what they said about your nut job too.



But my "nutjob" is the actual president and is doing a great job. Hes not out here tryn to strip the rights from the american people......

[lewisfk]

But my "nutjob" is the actual president and is doing a great job. Hes not out here tryn to strip the rights from the American people......

Great job, I question that! He was given a great economy and is slowly fucking it up! The Fed cut interest rates yet again to spark the sluggish economy. The stocks are all over the damn place with no consistency, and investors are scared. He continues to solicit help from foreign countries after been warned through the Muller investigation. I have faith he will fuck up the economy just like the majority of his business in the late 80s and 90s causing him to file bankruptcy 4 separate times.

[midnight zenki]

But my "nutjob" is the actual president and is doing a great job. Hes not out here tryn to strip the rights from the american people......

Is he doing a great job? https://youtu.be/obn9wh67HJM. He may not be stripping your constitutional rights but he is making you an economically disadvantaged bitch. What direct good has he done for you with his policies, how has he made your bank account fatter? Not too many top 1% business tycoons on this forum last I checked.

[S14rebuild]

Is he doing a great job? https://youtu.be/obn9wh67HJM. He may not be stripping your constitutional rights but he is making you an economically disadvantaged BITCH

yup seems legit

My tax breaks are sweet.......thanks trump

[lewisfk]

What tax breaks, I'm paying the highest taxes ever! He fucked every military member when he took away the ability to itemize and deduct clothing, dry-cleaning, mileage, and a whole list of shit.

[S14rebuild]

What tax breaks, I'm paying the highest taxes ever! He fucked every military member when he took away the ability to itemize and deduct clothing, dry-cleaning, mileage, and a whole list of shit.

My family and myself are doing quiet well under trumps terms. Didnt state its worked for everyone. Im not really too concerned about others. He gets my vote again


Guess were in diffrent classes

[RalliartRsX]

I gotzzz mines so fuck all yall! Problem??

It's a good thing those tax breaks don't sunset...…….for the top 1% that is. If I am 1%, I gotzzzz minesss, so fuck all yall!! Problem?? Why yall's not rich?? It's America right?? American dream right??

[S14rebuild]

I gotzzz mines so fuck all yall! Problem??

It's a good thing those tax breaks don't sunset...…….for the top 1% that is. If I am 1%, I gotzzzz minesss, so fuck all yall!! Problem?? Why yall's not rich?? It's America right?? American dream right??


But the ones in the 1% dont ask why the rest arent rich.....


Only poor people BELEVE in the american dream...the rich LIVE it.



This is the america we live in. It will never change..

[RalliartRsX]

American dream

30 year home loan, 10 year student loan and 7 year car loan......and if that didn't keep you poor, you can also go bankrupt from a paper cut....


#amirite

[S14rebuild]

American dream

30 year home loan, 10 year student loan and 7 year car loan......and if that didn't keep you poor, you can also go bankrupt from a paper cut....


#amirite


America #greatest country in the world!

[exitspeed]

American dream

30 year home loan, 10 year student loan and 7 year car loan......and if that didn't keep you poor, you can also go bankrupt from a paper cut....


#amirite

Yet, in spite of these and other imperfections, over a million people risk literal life and limb to migrate here every year. And, after they're here they still think its worth it and are extremely grateful. It seems your privilege of being born here doesn't allow you to see this great country the same way.

[RalliartRsX]

Yet, in spite of these and other imperfections, over a million people risk literal life and limb to migrate here every year. And, after they're here they still think its worth it and are extremely grateful. It seems your privilege of being born here doesn't allow you to see this great country the same way.

……...I wasn't born here and emigrated here in my teens. My family understood the opportunities this land allowed, especially in terms of education and my parents made sure, education was drilled into our heads and that allowed us to flourish as a family while living within our means (however, that doesn't mean we do not understand loan/investments, like ownership of a house for instance and why our generation were able to purchase houses at a fairly early age and not driving the latest 60-70K hotness because.....I do not hard park). My mom never finished highschool and only got her GED degree at the age of ~53. She got her BS a few years later...which this country so kindly allowed

So before you make another snap judgement, please kindly take your time to use the opportunities as presented in this great country (like Google) to understand sarcasm..... :cool:

Thanks!

[S14rebuild]

U can build a mudhut for free.....

[RalliartRsX]

……..Ignorance is bliss??

Yeah, same same. America dream! Huuuhhhaaaa!!

[exitspeed]

……...I wasn't born here and emigrated here in my teens. My family understood the opportunities this land allowed, especially in terms of education and my parents made sure, education was drilled into our heads and that allowed us to flourish as a family while living within our means (however, that doesn't mean we do not understand loan/investments, like ownership of a house for instance and why our generation were able to purchase houses at a fairly early age and not driving the latest 60-70K hotness because.....I do not hard park). My mom never finished highschool and only got her GED degree at the age of ~53. She got her BS a few years later...which this country so kindly allowed

So before you make another snap judgement, please kindly take your time to use the opportunities as presented in this great country (like Google) to understand sarcasm..... :cool:

Thanks!

Huh, and in spite of all that you still seem to hate this country.

[lewisfk]

"I understand the military. I know the military." - Donald Trump. Then he passes tax bill that screws a great portion of them! If you are doing well, G-BLESS U! I'm just scratching my head over his decisions.


https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/tax-reform-affects-if-and-how-taxpayers-itemize-their-deductions

[RalliartRsX]

Huh, and in spite of all that you still seem to hate this country.

So thanks for proving ignorance is bliss.....
Please go ahead and point out
a) Where ever said I hated this country
b) Anything of my statements made on this page are false

I am 100% certain you cannot point this out. Why?? Because it is a flat out inaccurate and false statement. Just because I am not a fan of this current administration, does not equate to me hating this country. If you think the two are on in the same, then with the same disdain you carry for Obama, I can label you a domestic terrorist in that same breath.

See how that works?? Good.

Carry on.

[RalliartRsX]

Ps trump didn't even bother to have the troops he pulled from Syria even bother to actually leave Syria.

Wtf.....mr bonespurs himself which dodged the service

[exitspeed]

So thanks for proving ignorance is bliss.....
Please go ahead and point out
a) Where ever said I hated this country
b) Anything of my statements made on this page are false

I am 100% certain you cannot point this out. Why?? Because it is a flat out inaccurate and false statement. Just because I am not a fan of this current administration, does not equate to me hating this country. If you think the two are on in the same, then with the same disdain you carry for Obama, I can label you a domestic terrorist in that same breath.

See how that works?? Good.

Carry on.

My bad, you just support a party that hates this country. It’s history, which it tries to rewrite and erase. Its people, outside of the coastal elite that they look down their noses at. It’s constitution, that is not being amended formally but in public opinion fed by the biased accomplice media.

I never hated Obama. In fact I almost voted for him for his first term. I disagreed with his politics, but I was willing to give him a shot because the Hope and Change he talked about sounded amazing. And even though I didn’t vote for him I defended him through most of his first term. It really wasn’t until he chose dividing this country countless times instead of bringing us together that I lost respect for him. But shit, seeing how far to the left the Democrats have moved almost have me missing Obama’s Left of center views. I agree almost fully with. his comments last week.

“The world is messy; there are ambiguities,” he continued. “People who do really good stuff have flaws. People who you are fighting may love their kids, and share certain things with you.”

“I do get a sense sometimes now among certain young people, and this is accelerated by social media, there is this sense sometimes of: ‘The way of me making change is to be as judgmental as possible about other people,’” he said, “and that’s enough.”

So I assumed you were born here. You assumed I hate Obama. No one is perfect. I didn’t pretend I am though.

[RalliartRsX]

Assumption and snap baseless accusations are like assholes, everyone has one...…..

And it seems you picked up on that point via your last sentence.

And atleast we share a common ground now as I am also in some agreement with Obama's statements. So indirectly he has united us under one umbrella :)

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[S14rebuild]

The Democrats haven't moved left. You've likely moved right.

Bernie, AOC and a couple others represent what would be considered fairly centrist ideas in most of Europe.

The rest of the Democratic field running for President is pretty standard centrist/neoliberal/republican in dem's clothing.

You need not hate America to criticize it. Truly loving America is wanting to leave it better than you inherited it.



You gotta be blind, deaf, and dumb if u dont think the dems have moved more left...... smh

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Future240]

Even Wapo says the dems have moved left.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/magazine/2019/11/12/democrats-are-moving-left-will-america-follow-perspectives-partys-dramatic-turn/?arc404=true
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/24/politics/democratic-party-left-liberal-q-poll/index.html
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/pew-research-center-study-shows-that-democrats-have-shifted-to-the-extreme-left/

Some opinon pieces

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/02/opinion/letters/democrats-left.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/04/opinion/democrats-2020-left-progressive.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/opinion/white-liberal-democrats.html

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Future240]

So let's see:

WaPo piece touches upon a few democrats who represent the far left edge of the party.

CNN is a poll of the opinion of the average American voter. A woefully uninformed group. BTW, this quote here: "Almost 6 in 10 men (57%) say Democrats have moved too far left as do 55% of whites with a college degree." Those are Trump voters saying that lol. Their opinions should not inform democratic policy positions.

Investors.com is just not something I want to give the click to for ad revenue stuff.

NYT opinion pieces are a scourge. David Brooks, Bret Stephens, etc., are too busy infecting the NYT offices with bed bugs to have any decent takes.

A FEW members of the party are trying to pull the party left (as they should), but the party itself is not really any further left than it was a few years ago.

Look at how few democrats have actually COMMITTED to saying they support single payer healthcare. Look at how few democrats are opposed to sending weapons to Saudi Arabia to commit atrocities in Yemen, in a coalition with Al-Qaeda. Etc.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/12/politics/2020-democratic-field-more-liberal-than-past-years/index.html


https://qz.com/1580091/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-how-far-left-the-democrats-are-going/

^^^ That one has some really good graphs showing policy.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

The Democrats haven't moved left. You've likely moved right.


I’m sorry, but you are out of touch or in denial.

Period.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

You and reality aren’t on the same page. Sorry man. Robert Johnson definitely thinks you’re wrong. I doubt there’s even another person who agrees with you politically in this thread that that doesn’t agree that the Democrat party hasn’t moved far left. It’s literally one (not THE) of the reasons Trump is in office. I personally know lifetime democrats that are voting trump in 2020 because they don’t recognize their own party. Most down to earth Americans are sick of identity politics and a not in favor of socialist policies. Hence, Trump. The Left is doubling down on these policies. Hell even people like Warren, Biden, Hilary are FAR more left than they ever have been in their careers. Their track records show that. Their being pushed that way by the far left socialists that are taking over the party like AOC and the gang. Here’s a quote from a very outspoken lefty I work with a few weeks ago regarding identity politics and political correctness gone awry “you want trump to fucking win in 2020, keep this shit up. I consider myself a Liberal but some of this shit is too much”. I didn’t say shit I just raised my endows like “indeed”.

[S14rebuild]

You and reality aren’t on the same page. Sorry man. Robert Johnson definitely thinks you’re wrong. I doubt there’s even another person who agrees with you politically in this thread that that doesn’t agree that the Democrat party hasn’t moved far left. It’s literally one (not THE) of the reasons Trump is in office. I personally know lifetime democrats that are voting trump in 2020 because they don’t recognize their own party. Most down to earth Americans are sick of identity politics and a not in favor of socialist policies. Hence, Trump. The Left is doubling down on these policies. Hell even people like Warren, Biden, Hilary are FAR more left than they ever have been in their careers. Their track records show that. Their being pushed that way by the far left socialists that are taking over the party like AOC and the gang. Here’s a quote from a very outspoken lefty I work with a few weeks ago regarding identity politics and political correctness gone awry “you want trump to fucking win in 2020, keep this shit up. I consider myself a Liberal but some of this shit is too much”. I didn’t say shit I just raised my endows like “indeed”.



100% truth

[RalliartRsX]

It's almost like the 3 recent candidates trump stumped for in DEEP red districts and states didnt all just lose their seats....

Oh wait, they did........

[exitspeed]

Like literally happened in the last couple days.

#toofarleft

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/left-turns-on-obama-for-challenging-calls-to-tear-down-the-system.amp

Former President Barack Obama is facing a new wave of criticism from the Democratic Party's left flank after cautioning Democrats about going too radical with their policy proposals — in the latest sign of a growing rift between the popular 44th president and the party's activist base.

Obama on Friday warned 2020 Democratic presidential hopefuls to pay attention to what voters actually think, claiming at a gathering of Democratic donors that most of them don’t want to “tear down the system” and that many Democrats “just don’t want to see crazy stuff.” Members of his party soon turned on him, using the hashtag #TooFarLeft.

Again, real life.

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[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

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I agree we should do more for mental health in this country.

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nopenopenope

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Edit: You're really not worth it. Enjoy your backwards, hateful views.



Dont edit...be a man hold ur balls and say what u were gonna say.


Its only the internet and your comments might acually change/effect someone....

U never know u could change someone from left to right or right to left.....

[RalliartRsX]

Dont edit...be a man hold ur balls and say what u were gonna say.


Its only the internet and your comments might acually change/effect someone....

U never know u could change someone from left to right or right to left.....


Why would one change when the guy you identify with on all sorts of levels is the..........president??


As Falkon said way back, minds are not changing. Done

[feito]

You and reality aren’t on the same page. Sorry man. Robert Johnson definitely thinks you’re wrong. I doubt there’s even another person who agrees with you politically in this thread that that doesn’t agree that the Democrat party hasn’t moved far left. It’s literally one (not THE) of the reasons Trump is in office. I personally know lifetime democrats that are voting trump in 2020 because they don’t recognize their own party. Most down to earth Americans are sick of identity politics and a not in favor of socialist policies. Hence, Trump. The Left is doubling down on these policies. Hell even people like Warren, Biden, Hilary are FAR more left than they ever have been in their careers. Their track records show that. Their being pushed that way by the far left socialists that are taking over the party like AOC and the gang. Here’s a quote from a very outspoken lefty I work with a few weeks ago regarding identity politics and political correctness gone awry “you want trump to fucking win in 2020, keep this shit up. I consider myself a Liberal but some of this shit is too much”. I didn’t say shit I just raised my endows like “indeed”.
We are in a bad spot as a nation where such radical proposals get any kind of support.... you know things are bad when fbho is considered not liberal enough :tweak:

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Edit: You're really not worth it. Enjoy your backwards, hateful views.

I love you man. Like I’ve said before, I’d buy you a beer and shoot the shit any time you want. I don’t have any hate for people I may disagree with politically or despite the what you keep saying, people “that don’t look like me”.

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Dont edit...be a man hold ur balls and say what u were gonna say.


Its only the internet and your comments might acually change/effect someone....

U never know u could change someone from left to right or right to left.....

It’s clear that hasn’t happened in any way shape or form.

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https://www.autoblog.com/2019/11/18/california-emissions-automakers-government-fleet/

Here’s another example of something I totally back trump on. And so did every American auto maker. Annnnd California responds in the most anti-American way possible, by saying they won’t be buying American cars for any of the states fleet vehicles. Wow. Cali should just secede already.

[midnight zenki]

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/11/18/california-emissions-automakers-government-fleet/

Here’s another example of something I totally back trump on. And so did every American auto maker. Annnnd California responds in the most anti-American way possible, by saying they won’t be buying American cars for any of the states fleet vehicles. Wow. Cali should just secede already.

The article clearly says that Ford is still considered amongst the automakers California would potentially buy from.

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The article clearly says that Ford is still considered amongst the automakers California would potentially buy from.

So they are only planning on buying American CUVs then. Further burdening California tax payers. Guess I shouldn’t really worry about it. Not my problem.

[RalliartRsX]

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/11/18/california-emissions-automakers-government-fleet/

Here’s another example of something I totally back trump on. And so did every American auto maker. Annnnd California responds in the most anti-American way possible, by saying they won’t be buying American cars for any of the states fleet vehicles. Wow. Cali should just secede already.

I recall, when trump became president he stated he will be bring factory jobs back.

GM closed 3 of their factories this year......

Are you going to acknowledge/place the blame on trump?? And if not, please explain, considering the shift in market focus (with gas prices being low) to SUVs/trucks (because fuck yeaa AMERICA! I need my 90K SUV to drive the kids to the grocery store and back instead of a fuel efficient wagon) and the factories losing money hand over fist by keeping these factories open.



https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/3/18/18271028/trump-general-motors-david-green-mary-barra

[midnight zenki]

California is exercising their right to purchase goods from vendors that can meet their desired requirements. If the other companies want to be competitive they need to step up or not.

This is free market capitalism embodied.

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nopenopenope

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I recall, when trump became president he stated he will be bring factory jobs back.

GM closed 3 of their factories this year......

Are you going to acknowledge/place the blame on trump?? And if not, please explain, considering the shift in market focus (with gas prices being low) to SUVs/trucks (because fuck yeaa AMERICA! I need my 90K SUV to drive the kids to the grocery store and back instead of a fuel efficient wagon) and the factories losing money hand over fist by keeping these factories open.


Yes some plants have closed, but many new plants have been announced and have been opened. Volvo, Mazda/Toyota ($1.6b), Foxconn, Fiat/Chrysler, and others. Would I expect NO plants to close under ANY administration? No. That’s an unrealistic expectation. Every plant has its own story which is independent of politics and fully dependent on market demand. The shift to CUVs started WELL before Trump even thought of running for president. As a matter of fact it IS a directly related to the boom in US oil manufacturing (fracking) which boomed under Obama by 77 percent. Which has been fantastic for this country. With cheap oil comes bigger vehicles and a shift in buying habits. I could go on and on about automotive trends (see the thread in OT) but I can assure you they are completely independent of any president.

https://www.industryweek.com/leadership/america-s-new-factory-building-frenzy

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fiat-chrysler-to-open-new-auto-plant-in-detroit-2018-12-06




This is free market capitalism embodied.

Correct. I’ll fully agree with the that.

I‘ll also acknowledge though that most car people here (this being a car forum with the majority of its members being in CA) disagree with California’s emission standards. I for one applaud GM, Toyota and Fiat/Chrysler for standing up to California. Only under this Trump would these manufacturers have the balls to do this. And there are very big reasons why they’re doing it. It costs auto manufacturers millions upon millions of dollars in R&D, tooling, advertising, etc etc to comply with one states extra regulations. It’s absurd. Especially when CA has so many other real crises like housing, constant wildfires, etc.

While we’re on the topic of regulation and it’s effects on products and consumers, lets talk about the Obama administration vs the Trump administration. Under Obama regulations ballooned to all time highs. https://www.forbes.com/sites/waynecrews/2016/12/30/obamas-legacy-2016-ends-with-a-record-shattering-regulatory-rulebook/ These regulations directly equate to more expensive vehicles. Obama era EPA rules were unrealistic and a tremendous financial burden on EVERY manufacturer. Hence them agreeing with the Trump administration on rolling them back, slightly. Trump has cut regulations at record rates which directly effects our economy in a positive way.

Allow me to make another point. Now if you agree with outrageous Obama era EPA rules and you want to see a shift to EVs because it’s good for the environment, that’s fine. But let me tell you as a matter of fact not Obama, or regulation, or government intervention, that shift IS happening and it is a result of innovation in the PRIVATE sector. That would be the rise of Tesla. Elon didn’t need the government to regulate anything (although he did need the government to subsidize his cars) for him to see there was demand for EVs and to change the automotive industry forever.

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Yes some plants have closed, but many new plants have been announced and have been opened. Volvo, Mazda/Toyota ($1.6b), Foxconn, Fiat/Chrysler, and others. Would I expect NO plants to close under ANY administration? No. That’s an unrealistic expectation. Every plant has its own story which is independent of politics and fully dependent on market demand. The shift to CUVs started WELL before Trump even thought of running for president. As a matter of fact it IS a directly related to the boom in US oil manufacturing (fracking) which boomed under Obama by 77 percent. Which has been fantastic for this country. With cheap oil comes bigger vehicles and a shift in buying habits. I could go on and on about automotive trends (see the thread in OT) but I can assure you they are completely independent of any president.

https://www.industryweek.com/leadership/america-s-new-factory-building-frenzy

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fiat-chrysler-to-open-new-auto-plant-in-detroit-2018-12-06




This is a response I can 100% appreciate. Kudos for not blindly falling in line with the idea that the president's finger is on the button in terms of control on how the industry ebs and flows (especially considering the consumer marker).

I just wish trump wouldn't campaign as such.

In terms of the oil comment, I was reading this morning with the shift to more fuel efficient vehicles, a fair amount of refineries and such (in the US) have been idled due to the global fall in oil demands, which is tend tied to the global price of oil remaining low over the last 5-10 years.

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It’s clear that hasn’t happened in any way shape or form.



It was a very sarcastic comment

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Yes some plants have closed, but many new plants have been announced and have been opened. Volvo, Mazda/Toyota ($1.6b), Foxconn, Fiat/Chrysler, and others. Would I expect NO plants to close under ANY administration? No. That’s an unrealistic expectation. Every plant has its own story which is independent of politics and fully dependent on market demand. The shift to CUVs started WELL before Trump even thought of running for president. As a matter of fact it IS a directly related to the boom in US oil manufacturing (fracking) which boomed under Obama by 77 percent. Which has been fantastic for this country. With cheap oil comes bigger vehicles and a shift in buying habits. I could go on and on about automotive trends (see the thread in OT) but I can assure you they are completely independent of any president.

Foxconn was a republican state government getting swindled & costing it taxpayers millions upon millions.

When the taxpayers are paying for a facility & making it so the state is unlikely to ever see anywhere near a return for that expenditure...that isn't a win.

Correct. I’ll fully agree with the that.

I‘ll also acknowledge though that most car people here (this being a car forum with the majority of its members being in CA) disagree with California’s emission standards. I for one applaud GM, Toyota and Fiat/Chrysler for standing up to California. Only under this Trump would these manufacturers have the balls to do this. And there are very big reasons why they’re doing it. It costs auto manufacturers millions upon millions of dollars in R&D, tooling, advertising, etc etc to comply with one states extra regulations. It’s absurd. Especially when CA has so many other real crises like housing, constant wildfires, etc.

GM & FCA are going against because they are dying everywhere other than the US and even here they can only sell gas guzzlers. Toyota is resisting because their trucks are supremely outdated gas guzzlers.

BTW, car guys only hate CA emissions regs because they're too young and/or ignorant to know how smoggy cities used to be. As well as too lazy to do the research to do modifications that can be BAR'd.

While we’re on the topic of regulation and it’s effects on products and consumers, lets talk about the Obama administration vs the Trump administration. Under Obama regulations ballooned to all time highs. https://www.forbes.com/sites/waynecrews/2016/12/30/obamas-legacy-2016-ends-with-a-record-shattering-regulatory-rulebook/ These regulations directly equate to more expensive vehicles. Obama era EPA rules were unrealistic and a tremendous financial burden on EVERY manufacturer. Hence them agreeing with the Trump administration on rolling them back, slightly. Trump has cut regulations at record rates which directly effects our economy in a positive way.

Yes, cars have gotten so expensive.

A 1991 Civic EX sedan had an MSRP of 11,450 USD. That's $21,634 in today's dollars. Today that buys a Civic Sport Sedan, with Apple Carplay, tons of safety features, 40+ MPG, etc. Let's not forget that a 1991 Civic is much closer to a modern Fit than a Civic, today's cars look even cheaper when we consider that.

Car prices are one of the few things that have not outpaced inflation/wages.

The cars that have seen their prices balloon most? Trucks & SUV.

A 1993 F150 Supercab longwheelbase 4x4 was 16,956 MSRP. That's $30197 in 2019. Today a 4x4 Supercab longwheel base is $37,665.

What about a Wrangler? A 1993 Saraha MSRP'd at $13,343, today that's $23,763. A 2019 Wrangler Sahara is four door only, so choosing the trim level that is closest in cost (actually $1000 less than a Sahara in four door trim), the Willy's trim, costs $33,990.

The Jeep Wrangler, one of the least fuel efficient cars on the road costs just under 50% more than inflation says it should while the type of cars that have kept up (and exceeded) emissions standards are exactly in line with inflation.

What gives?

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Comparing (the cost of) apples to apples is one thing. But what you’re not considering is the number of “apples” on the market. Sure there’s still Accords, Wranglers etc. but the majority of the market are far more expensive CUVs. Just last week a report came out showing that Ford and GM abandoning cars in favor of CUVs has cost them big time as buyers are moving to Korean and Japanese brands who still offer a full range of cars.

[ronmcdon]

I like gm and im financing a gm product but have to admit that cts-v and ats-v aside I dont think they’ve often successfully made good econoboxes or sedans period. It really should have been gm who axed their cars and not ford.

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nopenopenope

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I like gm and im financing a gm product but have to admit that cts-v and ats-v aside I dont think they’ve often successfully made good econoboxes or sedans period. It really should have been gm who axed their cars and not ford.

The thing is though, the CTS and the ATS platform and the cars are quite fantastic and critically acclaimed. But there’s something juuuuuust not good enough about them. That can actually be said about all of Cadillacs lineup currently. The new XT6 misses the mark by a lot compared to the new Avaiator. Hell most of the reviews are saying it’s not even close to the 4 year old XC90. Granted that is a fantastically designed car inside and out. But still. That’s sort of GM’s m.o.

This bears no relationship to what you mentioned about cost of cars today. Companies are shifting to CUV because idiots buy them and margins are bigger.

It's capitalism. Gross as always

It DOES relate. It relates because consumers are buying CUVs INSTEAD of cars because of a wide variety of things, space, added ground clearance, cargo capacity and the fact that they’ve gotten so fuel efficient. So it doesn’t matter that cars cost the same because PEOPLE ARENT BUYING CARS.

The fact that you think someone buying a CUV makes them an idiot just shows how out of touch you are with the world around you. And it has very little to do with capitalism and everything to do with peoples lifestyles. Real life. Not partisan politics.

But hey, you’re right, I’m wrong yadda yadda.

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It DOES relate. It relates because consumers are buying CUVs INSTEAD of cars because of a wide variety of things, space, added ground clearance, cargo capacity and the fact that they’ve gotten so fuel efficient. So it doesn’t matter that cars cost the same because PEOPLE ARENT BUYING CARS.

The fact that you think someone buying a CUV makes them an idiot just shows how out of touch you are with the world around you. And it has very little to do with capitalism and everything to do with peoples lifestyles. Real life. Not partisan politics.

But hey, you’re right, I’m wrong yadda yadda.

Most car based SUV have little additional ground clearance over the cars they're based on. They all have less space than a comparably sized minivan. They're all worse on gas, more expensive to purchase and maintain than the cars they're based on. Etc.

What exactly in the life's of Americans is so different now than it was in 1995 that requires every milquetoast bland person to own a SPORT UTILITY VEHICLE.

Other than advertising telling them it will somehow make them into something other than the bland, boring people they've always been, they do nothing new.

People buying Jeep Wranglers aren't scaling difficult trails. People buying Raptors aren't zooming across deserts.
A CRV can go nowhere a Civic cannot

Etc.

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I’d tell you why from my personal experience but you’d just tell me I’m wrong and I’m an “idiot” so I’ll just save my breath.

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Sooo this impeachment is going great.. glad the dems are sitn up there maken themselves look like fukn morons

Looks like trumps got 2020 in the bag too

[lewisfk]

^^ Giuliani associate willing to tell Congress Nunes met with ex-Ukrainian official to get dirt on Biden.

Hold up! How can Nunes question people knowing he is involved in getting dirt on Joe Biden? I'm not a rocket scientist, but that is a conflict of interest and unethical!

[RalliartRsX]

Sooo this impeachment is going great.. glad the dems are sitn up there maken themselves look like fukn morons

Looks like trumps got 2020 in the bag too

So honestly, how much of the hearing did you actually watch vs lifting your talking point directly from fox news or similar? Fox and ultra right wing sources are the only ones reporting as such......

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So honestly, how much of the hearing did you actually watch vs lifting your talking point directly from fox news or similar? Fox and ultra right wing sources are the only ones reporting as such......

Been watching it all. Multi news outlets

Dems are grabbing at straws here....

[lewisfk]

^^ No way you could off!! I listened via NPR radio all day at work and your points are missing the mark! Mrs. Hill destroyed every talking point the Republicans had with facts, email, and dates backing up everything. The State Department witness did a better job than the Dems could off. The story line will shift to, Yes the POTUS asked for quid pro quo, but that is not impeachable.

[RalliartRsX]

Been watching it all. Multi news outlets

Dems are grabbing at straws here....

So how did you come to the conclusion considering Hill had very strong testimony and Sondland produced actual tangible information in the form of Text messages, etc contrary to what you stated above??

Several folks had first hand exposure to the actual phone call. How would you explain that as well??

[RalliartRsX]

Also are you saying Vindman, as long term veteran, is not a viable witness??

I am struggling to see how you came to this conclusion considering the very bi-partisan nature of the folks who did testify and included tangible evidence.

Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the top Ukraine specialist on the National Security Council. Vindman listened to the July 25 telephone conversation in the White House Situation Room and reported his concerns about the president's mention of political investigations to the top NSC attorney, John Eisenberg. He said the attorney decided to move the record of the call onto a highly classified system that few could access.

Vidnman is valuable testimony I am not sure there is anyone as bi-partisan as Vidnmand with so many years of service who I would go against. And this is just one example

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nopenopenope

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Trumpers don't care about facts or laws.

They don't care about this country, they don't have any grasp of history, all that matters is 'their guy' and 'owning the libs'

Ya, this guy 1000% correct.

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Trumpers don't care about facts or laws.

They don't care about this country, they don't have any grasp of history, all that matters is 'their guy' and 'owning the libs'

Whoa, another “I’m right and you’re wrong post”. Shocking.


I’m waiting to see how the whole thing shakes out honestly. Recent polls are showing people are over this thing and in one week went from more people thinking he should be impeached to more people thinking he should not. This could back fire of the Democrats in a big way. Russia 2.0. There were “facts” then too.

[Future240]

My take on the impeachment is both sides are convinced they are right. I have not been able to watch it for myself so I don’t have an opinion.

All left news sources are reporting it’s a win for dems
All right sources are reporting it’s a loss for dems.

My only thoughts are the senate is republicans controlled. It would be career suicide as a republican to vote to impeach him. Not going to happen. If it’s s closed door vote you bet your asses any dissenters would get “leaked” to the public.

[gbaby2089]

Whoa, another “I’m right and you’re wrong post”. Shocking.


I’m waiting to see how the whole thing shakes out honestly. Recent polls are showing people are over this thing and in one week went from more people thinking he should be impeached to more people thinking he should not. This could back fire of the Democrats in a big way. Russia 2.0. There were “facts” then too.

Yes, impeachment has killed so many dems as Dem candidates have won traditional GOP seats across the south

[lewisfk]

My take on the impeachment is both sides are convinced they are right. I have not been able to watch it for myself so I don’t have an opinion.

All left news sources are reporting it’s a win for dems
All right sources are reporting it’s a loss for dems.

My only thoughts are the senate is republicans controlled. It would be career suicide as a republican to vote to impeach him. Not going to happen. If it’s s closed door vote you bet your asses any dissenters would get “leaked” to the public.

The best thing in my opinion is to download the NPR app on your phone or listen driving int and coming home from work. I loved the back and forth with Rep Nunes and Mrs. Hill, she gave him the business for a solid 20 minutes.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/12/03/us/politics/kamala-harris-campaign-drops-out.amp.html


NOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST


Lets go!!!!!!!!! TRUMP 2020

[lewisfk]

^^
Pamela will destroy Trump, and don't forget she will get her chance in the impeachment trial!

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^^
Pamela will destroy Trump, and don't forget she will get her chance in the impeachment trial!

God Pamala Anderson was hot.

Not sure what she has to do with any of this though.

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^^
Pamela will destroy Trump, and don't forget she will get her chance in the impeachment trial!

Thats as funny as this impeachment trial is...jokes

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[lewisfk]

^^ Her record as a prosecutor is pretty damn good compared to others. The reason her record gets questioned is over the Police Officer who was murdered and the individual was not sentenced to death but life in prison. The widow of the slain officer and their family wanted the death penalty, Kamala ," said no." Kamala failed to meet with the family to discuss this matter. Kamala has a history of being cold, but not corrupt like Hilary.

I'm currently listening to NPR Broadcast, and all the 3 out 4 scholars agree the POTUS should be impeached.

[RalliartRsX]

Kamala would not wipe the floor with trump. It is not about record in this election, it is simply about optics, and Kamala would easy lose out on character assassination by gop.

In addition, she has been chameleon like on several topics. Dropped the ball heavily (in my eyes during a NPR interview) in immigration and overall, did not have the proper support staff to push her across the goal line. She didn't bother to campaign in Iowa and basically lost all her (donor) support. Also, the black vote was not guaranteed (which is why she chose to campaign in South and North Carolina as opposed to Iowa) and she just over extended herself and underestimated the importance of key checkpoints along the way.

Being a president is simply not about having a good record (which is checkered). There are several more factors which she simply did not posses or simply made the wrong moves.

^ And no. The reason her past was checkered was not because of that event. She pushed for proper rehabilitation of prisoners while also pushing for longer more stringent prison sentences for example.

[lewisfk]

^^ I referring to a debate and in a political setting. She was actually in Iowa and had scheduled events until her staffer wrote a op-ed.

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Does it matter anymore? Shes out, truth always comes out. Our president takes down another bully and liar

[RalliartRsX]

^^ I referring to a debate and in a political setting. She was actually in Iowa and had scheduled events until her staffer wrote a op-ed.

HRC whipped the floor with trump during the debates yet here we are

Also, Harris only showed up to Iowa AFTER the fact. She was already deep in the Carolinas prior to this ......well pass tf here Iowa sell by date.....and part of the reason why she is out. However, I put this one squarely on her team of strategist.

Do I agree with iowa being so important? No. However this is what we are working with.

Lest we forget, HRC negated to campaign in several states which won trump the electoral college....

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HRC whipped the floor with trump during the debates yet here we are

In you opinion.

Lest we forget, HRC negated to campaign in several states which won trump the electoral college....

Allow me to correct you. You mean won Trump the presidency. Didn’t none of y’all have a got damn issue with the electoral college until it wasn’t what you wanted.

Sore fucking loser ass.

[RalliartRsX]

Lol. Triggered much?

I have always had an issue with the electoral college as it allowed large swats of land to actually function as a vote. The issue is how do you balance farm owners with densely populated metropolitan areas. Every vote should be counted equally and allows this sham of an idea that one must campaign for 90% of the time in office vs actually doing your job that the folks elected you to do.

But again, please make more blanket ignorant statements as you normally do.

trump won the electoral college. Deal with it and stop being a little snow flake in hell when people disagree with your stance. Jeesss. It's almost as if you are about to have a freacking aneurism anyone as much as says trump had a bad hair day knowing full well dude wears a fucking 1990s chia pep on his head...….


P.S You dont win a football game scoring 3+ million points less than your opponent :D

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In you opinion.



Allow me to correct you. You mean won Trump the presidency. Didn’t none of y’all have a got damn issue with the electoral college until it wasn’t what you wanted.

Sore fucking loser ass.


This is truth!

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Lol. Triggered much?

I have always had an issue with the electoral college as it allowed large swats of land to actually function as a vote. The issue is how do you balance farm owners with densely populated metropolitan areas. Every vote should be counted equally and allows this sham of an idea that one must campaign for 90% of the time in office vs actually doing your job that the folks elected you to do.

But again, please make more blanket ignorant statements as you normally do.

trump won the electoral college. Deal with it and stop being a little snow flake in hell when people disagree with your stance. Jeesss. It's almost as if you are about to have a freacking aneurism anyone as much as says trump had a bad hair day knowing full well dude wears a fucking 1990s chia pep on his head...….


P.S You dont win a football game scoring 3+ million points less than your opponent :D

Man you are just obnoxious.

[gbaby2089]

I love alt-right extremists telling Democrats who should represent their party.

In other news: There are many things galling about the Trump cuts to SNAP, but perhaps most galling is the fact the savings amount to 1/14th (!) of the annual cost of the Trump direct welfare payments to agribusiness to make up for his trade war.

Welfare for the wealthy versus trying to keep poor people food secure.

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Rollins: Impeachment sham -- I've served 4 presidents and never seen such naked, self-serving partisanship
Ed Rollins By Ed Rollins | Fox News

“President Trump’s scheme subverted U.S. foreign policy toward Ukraine and undermined our national security.”

So reads the Democrat’s charade of an impeachment “report,” suggesting President Trump’s attempts to expose corruption in Ukraine were somehow politically motivated. The report’s author, Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., went on to describe the president as “unbound” and “unaccountable”—because Schiff is a model of even-keeled temperament. He and other Democrats formally adopted the report a party-line vote, leading up to today’s impeachment hearing in the House Judiciary Committee.

Don’t be fooled: Schiff’s impeachment charade is exactly that, and it’s incompatible with the long and esteemed history of the United States Congress.

Anti-Trump Democrats have essentially hijacked one of the three branches of federal government by consuming Congress with a bogus impeachment process, which has only deepened our divisions while grinding government to a halt.

This is unprecedented. I have served four U.S. presidents, including two tours at the highest rank of White House staff as Assistant to the President.

I have also advised six different presidential campaigns, so I’ve lived and breathed politics for decades.

As chairman of Great America PAC, I worked hard to help elect President Trump, so I understand just how determined the Left is to not only undermine his agenda, but ultimately remove him from office.

I have never seen such naked, self-serving partisanship. Since Inauguration Day, impeachment has been the left’s primary agenda.

Mere weeks after his election, Democrats like Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., pressured President Trump to divest business assets that could pose a conflict of interest, supporting legislation would make violations of federal conflict-of-interest rules “a high crime or misdemeanor under the impeachment clause of the U.S. Constitution.”

Three years later, that same agenda has resulted in the impeachment “hearings” we see today. It’s a farce.

After the Mueller report predictably exonerated President Trump earlier this year, Schiff embraced a whistleblower whose claims would purportedly lay the foundation for impeachment. Within months, however, a supposed truth-teller was exposed as a registered Democrat held over from the Obama White House. This was a Democrat who had previously worked with former Vice President Joe Biden.

According to one National Security Council official, the whistleblower was “accused of working against Trump and leaking against Trump.” That same whistleblower reportedly worked with a Democratic National Committee operative, Alexandra Chalupa, who conducted opposition research on the Trump campaign during the 2016 election. He even invited her into the White House for meetings.

In the process, the whistleblower even sought out Schiff for “guidance.” That’s right: The whistleblower, a Democrat, worked with the ringleader of impeachment to remove a sitting president from office. And now we are to believe the impeachment process is “nonpartisan”.

Making matters worse, Schiff repeatedly lied about his contact with the whistleblower. In an MSNBC interview, Schiff infamously claimed, “We have not spoken directly with the whistleblower.” It’s a claim so egregious that even The Washington Post and PolitiFact—which are anything but pro-Trump—accused Schiff of lying to the American people.

The charade goes on. Schiff recently scrambled to stop the whistleblower from being named, while finding time to accuse President Trump of acting “for his own personal, political gain”—again, because Schiff is a model of nonpartisanship. Even as Republicans attempt to speak with the whistleblower, Democrats put up roadblocks at every turn.

David Bossie: Judiciary Committee continues impeachment witch hunt – But Trump did nothing wrong on Ukraine
Deroy Murdock: Impeaching Trump will hurt Democrats more than him
Harry Kazianis: NATO should die if allies won’t increase defense spending as Trump wants
As Rep. Kevin McCarthy recently explained, “[Schiff’s] focus—in his own words—is to send the president ‘back to the golden throne he came from.’”

Such partisanship is not only antithetical to our democracy, but it also sets a dangerous precedent for future dealings between a sitting president and the opposition party. If the Democrats can pursue impeachment now—when there are virtually no grounds to so—are we to expect an impeachment inquiry every four years?

How can Republicans trust any Democrat, when the Democratic Party has been hell-bent on impeachment since 2016? Imagine if Republicans had launched a bogus impeachment inquiry against President Obama, solely on the grounds of him being a Democrat.

In lieu of trust, what Republicans can do is mobilize. Based on recent polling, Republicans (and other Americans) are determined to look past Schiff’s impeachment charade and join together in support of President Trump.

The Democrats may have “impeachment,” but President Trump has a booming economy and the safest, most secure America in recent memory. I’ll take the latter, and so should you.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[RalliartRsX]

Man you are just obnoxious.

Yep. Triggered as fuck Hahahahah! :tardrim:

[exitspeed]

Yep. Triggered as fuck Hahahahah! :tardrim:



Please stop with the “I know you are but what am I”.

Also, during an “impeachment “.
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[exitspeed]

"listen he is clearly a criminal unfit for office, but his policies are great for my massive investments."

Even as real wages for lower and middle class Americans are stagnant as ever.

Keep ignoring factual posts to spin propaganda.

What IS hard for me to ignore is the fact that my wife and I have seen more than a 180% increase in our income (which was already more than double the WI median) in the last 3 years.

Y’all keep on keepin on with your misery though. I’m gonna do me.

[S14rebuild]

^ i keep telln yall, TRUMPs gonna win 2020 election

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Future240]

No matter what side of the aisle one leans it is becoming more and more apparent the dems don’t have a strong enough candidate to beat Trump.

Biden - viewed as too out of touch by centrists And not left enough for the dems.
Warren / sanders too left for centrists.

Nominee is a toss up between Warren and Biden.

Both are weak candidates IMO.

MAGA these days is almost gang gang. Biden and Warren can’t stand up to that. Neither has been able to unite the dems.

The dems cannot decide what their platform is. Their eating each other.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/woke-democrats-and-pundits-offended-by-all-white-2020-democratic-debate-lineup

[lewisfk]

If the POTUS is doing such a great job, why is the stock market fluctuating and investors nervous?


Why did the Feds cut interest rates? Third time this year!


Why has the tax cut not improved the lives of the middle class as promised?



Why is the Jobs numbers so good for this administration and not for the other? Especially, when the jobs added are low paying jobs, the people getting these jobs still rely on federal assistance.

[S14rebuild]

Whoa, one person's anecdotes outweigh all scholarly/economist's work. Big if true.

Also shouts to you literally saying it is fine that he is committing crimes in office.

Your business would've failed without an incompetent racist criminal in office? What is the RNC/Turning Point USA mass buying your photos too?

You can just say "Fuck everyone else, I got mine." You're selfish, you've made that very clear.

As for your statement about the electoral college, let us not forget this:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/266038556504494082?lang=en

"The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy."

And he said that about a president that won both the electoral college and popular vote handily.

Consider that over half the country favors impeachment.



Looking forward to you saying I'm obnoxious because you can't articulate a response to facts. Trump does love the poorly educated.


Yes it does. So ur telling me, that if im happy n my life is great, i should sacrifice that cause others arent? Socialism much?

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[lewisfk]

^^I wouldn't call it racism! I agree with your post. I find it funny a segment of the country talks about constitutional rights, but find it ok to tell a woman what to do with her body. It's sad the POTUS had know idea what the ERA was about. The POTUS is no back on the rocket man bandwagon and talking about military action against North Korea, but has failed to pass the military spending budget. It looks like the military will start 2020 in C.R. Texas Judge just blocked the building of border wall, let that sink in. This wall is holding up the military budget, I wish Mexico would do their part! ��

[S14rebuild]

Is your self-doubt so great that you're only capable of success as a result of Trump? Both of y'all keep talking income too.

Is money all that makes y'all happy?

When did wanting others to be happy and healthy become a weakness?

It is similar to the question I have for 'social conservatives.'

Does gay marriage change your own marriage?
Does the legality of abortion change your own ability to have & raise children?
Does fighting food, education and transportation inequity and segregation ruin your own life? (The answer to the last one is, if yes, you're a racist)


Your maken this WAY bigger then it needs to be...we were talking about trump...his policys have made my life better. Thats all i stated. So why would i not vote for him again.

Answer to ur last question is YES!

[exitspeed]

Looking forward to you saying I'm obnoxious because you can't articulate a response to facts. Trump does love the poorly educated.

If there’s one thing that you’ve made quite clear is you absolutely hate people that disagree with you. Your constant condescending tone and belittling is exhausting. I didn’t live my life that way under Obama and honestly I just feel sorry for you.



MAGA these days is almost gang gang.

The constant attacks and elitist attitudes, displayed so perfectly by gbaby, are part of the reason.

If the POTUS is doing such a great job, why is the stock market fluctuating and investors nervous?


Why did the Feds cut interest rates? Third time this year!


Why has the tax cut not improved the lives of the middle class as promised?



Why is the Jobs numbers so good for this administration and not for the other? Especially, when the jobs added are low paying jobs, the people getting these jobs still rely on federal assistance.

Wait, this is the first time the stock market has fluctuated? Huh, news to me. Come on. While is has fluctuated it has also bounced back to new records every time. And we know the reason. At least the main one and that’s the uncertainty with China. But we know that isn’t going to perfectly smoothly. It should t even be expected a

Is your self-doubt so great that you're only capable of success as a result of Trump? Both of y'all keep talking income too.

Is money all that makes y'all happy?

When did wanting others to be happy and healthy become a weakness?

It is similar to the question I have for 'social conservatives.'

Does gay marriage change your own marriage?
Does the legality of abortion change your own ability to have & raise children?
Does fighting food, education and transportation inequity and segregation ruin your own life? (The answer to the last one is, if yes, you're a racist)

I’m pro gay marriage. L
I’m pro choice (mostly)
My wife and I have fought for children with special needs and have changed practices at the state labs that have effected every child born in this state since 2012.
We also donate thousands of dollars a year and hold fund raisers.
And when a homie needs some help financially I don’t even hesitate. I got them.

But again, you keep trying to paint your picture of me and other trump supporters and making assumptions.

[lewisfk]

^^ Really Exit, you missed the Feds cutting interest rates 3 times to keep the economy moving? Can somebody say Tariffs; lumber, steel, and agriculture. I believe those industries are getting help from the federal government; sound like a little cooperate welfare!


https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/here-are-202-companies-hurt-trumps-tariffs

[exitspeed]

^^ Really Exit, you missed the Feds cutting interest rates 3 times to keep the economy moving? Can somebody say Tariffs; lumber, steel, and agriculture. I believe those industries are getting help from the federal government; sound like a little cooperate welfare!


https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/here-are-202-companies-hurt-trumps-tariffs

Selective outrage. Solar, wind, EVs have all been built by government subsidies but since it’s in the name of global warming, sorry, climate change it’s ok.

And I’m not saying we don’t support those things or do anything to help the climate (whole different convo) but I’m saying if you mad at the fed doing what it needs to do to keep the economy going than you gotta be mad at that shit too. No?

[exitspeed]

And hey, don’t take a bunch of uneducated, racist Trump supports word on impeachment, look no further than Democrat Presidential hopeful (one who I think is the most in touch with reality) Andrew Yang.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/andrew-yang-just-said-what-other-democrats-dont-want-to-say-about-impeachment

The benefit of being an outsider candidate is that you are freer to speak your mind than, say, a senator who is beholden to the party line.

That was part of the appeal of then-candidate Donald Trump in 2016, and it is likely the same reason why tech entrepreneur Andrew Yang has been able to make a real go of it in the 2020 Democratic primary.

Yang, who polls in sixth place according to the RealClearPolitics polling average, solidified his “outsider” bona fides this week when he came right out and said impeachment is a “loser” issue for Democrats.

Just imagine Sens. Cory Booker or Amy Klobuchar, both of whom trail behind Yang in the polls, saying the same. They might actually have to vote on impeachment.

Yang's remarks about impeachment came amid a freewheeling interview with journalist Matt Taibbi and writer Katie Halper.

“What’s your take on the impeachment process?” asked Taibbi.

The 2020 Democratic candidate responded, “I’m pro-impeachment, but this is going to be a loser.”


“How dare you!” Halper joked.

Yang continued, answering seriously, “Not a single Republican has given any indication that they’re in fact-finding mode. They’re all in defend-the-president mode. You need literally dozens of Republican senators to switch sides when the trial starts, which we’ve gotten zero indication is going to happen.”


“The more this drags on, the more danger there is of two things: Number one, Donald Trump comes out of this and is vindicated, totally exonerated. Number two, we are wasting precious time where we should be creating a positive vision that Americans are excited about solving the problems that got Donald Trump elected, and beat him in 2020,” he added.

He went on: “If all that happens is all of the Democrats are talking about impeachment that fails, then it seems like there is no vision. It seems like all we can do is throw ineffective rocks at Donald Trump, and then it ends up leading unfortunately toward his reelection.”

Halper added, “It’s like good PR for him.”

“He’s a creature that thrives on attention,” responded the 2020 Democratic candidate, “and so the more attention he gets, the better for him, the worst for Democrats.”


Meanwhile, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced Thursday morning that she had asked the “chairman to proceed with the articles of impeachment.”

For Yang, it seems like Democrats learned nothing from the 2016 defeat.


Taibbi said, “After 2016, the first thought I had was, ‘Well, this is going to inspire a rethink in the Democratic Party. They’re going to re-argue their case. They’re going to find a way to tell people how they’re going to fix the problems of ordinary people across America. ... Immediately they point to Russiagate, now impeachment. … They’re focusing on this thing that, to a lot of people, is an internecine phenomenon, a Washington drama."

“Unfortunately,” said Yang, “my team and I have been part of some of the planning sessions, and that’s not changing. Their take on it is, we argued against Trump wrong last time — this time we’re going to really stick it to him by talking about this. You’re like, ‘Oh, my gosh. We’ve learned nothing.’”

Democratic officials, activists, and strategists are likely going to hate these remarks from Yang, and he will likely catch heat for them. At the same time, he will also likely benefit from the appearance of being his own man and being unafraid to run afoul of his own party, a quality that voters seem to appreciate more than usual these days.

[S14rebuild]

Lmao @ Andrew yang

Yea cause cause handing everyone free money monthly is gonna save this country...not to mention where is this "free" money comen from?

Hell these struggling " families" (more like single parent. Multi children. he seeks to assist already on goverment funding, we need to give them more. And dont get me started when there high tax return $ comes is...yea that $ is put to good use.

Biden will win the primary cause hes obamas homeboi. And then hill proceed to get destroyed by trump in the polls, debates and logic.

[VROOOM]

Please stop with the “I know you are but what am I”.

Also, during an “impeachment “.
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Clinton was at 73% while he was being impeached.

[lewisfk]

^^ Exit. Solar and wind subsidies are to help the environment and to make it cheaper for the average person to acquire. Subsidies given to the steel and agricultural industry is because the POTUS thought that he could win a trade war! Americans are not winning!

[exitspeed]

^^ Exit. Solar and wind subsidies are to help the environment and to make it cheaper for the average person to acquire. Subsidies given to the steel and agricultural industry is because the POTUS thought that he could win a trade war! Americans are not winning!

They “help”, but they are still an industry owned by the private sector that is propped up with tax payer money.

The trade war isn’t over. You have to break a few eggs to make an omelette. America wasn’t winning with China before Trump decided to take a stand either.

[exitspeed]

Lol at the 2 articles of impeachment. What an absolute joke. Russia 2.0. :bs:

Shit is done.

[lewisfk]

The joke is the POTUS never learned from the Muller report. You can't ask for a foreign country to help in American elections! 2 articles is enough to prove he is worse than Nixon. Senate Republicans will not impeach, but history will show the Dems were correct to do so.

[exitspeed]

The joke is the whole thing is a partisan sham.

Quid pro quo? Guess not.

Interfering in an American election (abuse of power)? Hardly. The investigation was going before Trump even mentioned it.

Obstruction? You mean like EVERY SINGLE president has done in the last 100 years?

Straws.

The American people see this for what it is. Democrats still throwing a tantrum they lost.

[exitspeed]

Let’s not gloss over the new USMCA trade deal Trump administration made and negotiated with the Dems.. “A great victory for American workers.” Pelosie.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/10/house-democrats-and-trump-administration-reach-usmca-trade-deal.html

[exitspeed]

And uh oh, looks like the FBI and the Obama administration has some serious explaining to do. :2f2f:

[RalliartRsX]

And uh oh, looks like the FBI and the Obama administration has some serious explaining to do. :2f2f:

...... you absolutely didnt read the report. Literally the first line of the summary on the first few pages says the IG found no wrong doing by the Obama admin or the FBI.....


I'll pull up the report and the subsequent page quotes

CHS - Confidential Human Source
UCE - Under Cover Employees

Quote Originally Posted by Pages xvi-xvii
We found no evidence that the FBI used CHSs or UCEs to interact with members of the Trump campaign prior to the opening of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation. After the opening of the investigation, we found no evidence that the FBI placed any CHSs or UCEs within the Trump campaign or tasked any CHSs or UCEs to report on the Trump campaign. Finally, we also found no documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivations influenced the FBI's decision to use CHSs or UCEs to interact with Trump campaign officials in the Crossfire Hurricane investigation

[RalliartRsX]

Classic case confirmatory bias with zero basis for your assertion apart from you heard it from faux news and trump

[exitspeed]

You obviously didn’t follow the hearing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/11/us/politics/fbi-ig-hearing.amp.html

“Let’s assume that there was a lawful predicate to open up a counterintelligence investigation,” Mr. Graham said. “What’s been described as a few irregularities becomes a massive criminal conspiracy over time to defraud the FISA court, to illegally surveil an American citizen and to keep an operation open against a sitting president of the United States, violating every norm known to the rule of law.”

He focused on Mr. Horowitz’s finding that a lower-level F.B.I. lawyer had doctored an email from the C.I.A. used in preparing to seek a renewal of a wiretap order targeting Carter Page, a former Trump campaign aide, in a way that kept the court from learning potentially exculpatory information about Mr. Page.

He also slammed the F.B.I. for using a dossier of opposition research about Mr. Trump compiled by a British former spy, Christopher Steele, for Democrats in the Page wiretap applications — and for continuing to use it to seek renewals even after they interviewed Mr. Steele’s primary source and he contradicted what the dossier said.

And Mr. Graham read at length text messages between F.B.I. officials involved in the investigation who expressed personal views in opposition to Mr. Trump’s election, saying that people with such views should never have been in charge of investigating the Trump campaign.



Confirmation bias indeed. Yeah, nothing to see here.

[RalliartRsX]

Nope. Not following. I will read the excerpt you posted shortly

[RalliartRsX]

You obviously didn’t follow the hearing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/11/us/politics/fbi-ig-hearing.amp.html

“Let’s assume that there was a lawful predicate to open up a counterintelligence investigation,” Mr. Graham said. “What’s been described as a few irregularities becomes a massive criminal conspiracy over time to defraud the FISA court, to illegally surveil an American citizen and to keep an operation open against a sitting president of the United States, violating every norm known to the rule of law.”

He focused on Mr. Horowitz’s finding that a lower-level F.B.I. lawyer had doctored an email from the C.I.A. used in preparing to seek a renewal of a wiretap order targeting Carter Page, a former Trump campaign aide, in a way that kept the court from learning potentially exculpatory information about Mr. Page.

He also slammed the F.B.I. for using a dossier of opposition research about Mr. Trump compiled by a British former spy, Christopher Steele, for Democrats in the Page wiretap applications — and for continuing to use it to seek renewals even after they interviewed Mr. Steele’s primary source and he contradicted what the dossier said.

And Mr. Graham read at length text messages between F.B.I. officials involved in the investigation who expressed personal views in opposition to Mr. Trump’s election, saying that people with such views should never have been in charge of investigating the Trump campaign.

Confirmation bias indeed. Yeah, nothing to see here.


Why assume when the reports states that there was a lawful precident when the report was opened up?? Didn't Graham not read the report??

And here let me help you since you seem to cherry pick your statements from your article vs reading and quoting the entire article.

In a lengthy opening statement, Mr. Graham did not quarrel with the finding by the inspector general that the F.B.I.’s basis for opening the Russia investigation met the standard. But Mr. Graham slammed the F.B.I. for how that inquiry unfolded.

So Graham is or isn't arguing about the legal precedence?? Which is it??

So let me get this straight; you are quoting Graham, not the report correct??

Are you really arguing that Graham has authority over Horowithz in a report the IG/Horowitz developed??

How does that work??

As I said YOU DIDNT READ THE REPORT!

Below is also from your excerpt.



One of Mr. Horowitz’s biggest findings dealt with whether any Justice Department or F.B.I. official let their political views affect the opening of Crossfire Hurricane or any investigative steps they took. The inspector general found no “documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced the decisions” to open the investigation.

Republicans immediately attacked this conclusion. “There is no planet on which I think that this report indicates that things were O.K. within the F.B.I.,” said Senator Mike Lee, Republican of Utah.

And Mr. Graham pointed to texts among F.B.I. officials involved in the investigation — uncovered by the inspector general — that indicated anti-Trump sentiments as evidence that the officials acted with bias. Though Mr. Horowitz disagreed, he has said the texts demonstrated bad judgment and cast a cloud over the F.B.I.


Mr. Graham vilified Peter Strzok, a former F.B.I. top counterintelligence agent, and Lisa Page, a former bureau lawyer, the officials who assailed Mr. Trump in text messages. In his report, Mr. Horowitz noted that the decision to start the Russia investigation did not rest with Mr. Strzok. Mr. Horowitz also reaffirmed those texts did not influence the decision by Bill Priestap, head of F.B.I. counterintelligence, to open the Russia investigation. The report said that Ms. Page played no role in opening the Russia investigation or the F.B.I.’s scrutiny of four Trump campaign associates, including Mr. Page.

[RalliartRsX]

Essentially you are undermining the IG report because it doesn't fit your narrative. Exactly what Graham is doing.

It's like me taking my child to a doc for an ailment, saying fuck the expert who went to school and has 30 years of experience, and taking the advice from some rando in a white jacket from 711 on what the real issue is with my child.

One has years of experience; another just wears a white jacket.

No surprised one bit.

[exitspeed]

No, I didn’t have time to read a 476 page report.

There are much smarter folks than myself that have a lot more to say on it.

Even worse, another agency that appears to be the CIA told the FBI that Page was actually working for the agency in Russia as an "operational contact" gathering intelligence. The FBI was told this repeatedly, yet it never reported it to the FISA court approving the secret investigation of Page. His claim to have worked with the federal government was widely dismissed. Worse yet, Horowitz found that investigators and the Justice Department concluded there was no probable cause on Page to support its FISA investigation. That is when there was an intervention from the top of the FBI, ordering investigators to look at the Steele dossier funded by the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign instead.

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/473709-horowitz-report-is-damning-for-the-fbi-and-unsettling-for-the-rest-of-us

[exitspeed]

Essentially you are undermining the IG report because it doesn't fit your narrative. Exactly what Graham is doing.

It's like me taking my child to a doc for an ailment, saying fuck the expert who went to school and has 30 years of experience, and taking the advice from some rando in a white jacket from 711 on what the real issue is with my child.

One has years of experience; another just wears a white jacket.

No surprised one bit.

Ah, but you’re perfectly ok with obvious bogus articles of impeachment (one we know the fbi under Obama did with trump, and 2 every president ever has done). GTFO with that holier than thou bs.

[exitspeed]

I honestly think all of this is he said she said and up for interpretation. It’s illegal, it’s not illegal, blah blah blah.

Stop wasting the tax payers money with all these fucking investigations that lead to shit. Both sides.

Let the elected president do his job and move the fuck on.

[RalliartRsX]

No, I didn’t have time to read a 476 page report.

There are much smarter folks than myself that have a lot more to say on it.



You don't have to read 476 pages of the report to read the Summary that occurs within the first few pages......like just about every single report ever produced by the IG.

And that in itself is the issue; you are 100% willing to take the word of a politician and because it aligns with your own opinion, you confirm it as fact (confirmation bias) instead of actually reading for a change and forming your own opinion.

I mean, you literally did exactly this not but 3 posts above by cherry picking various out of context statements from the article you posted because it matched your own narrative.....

The report clearly states no political bias or issues were found, yet, you decided that Graham, who is nary a part of the intelligence community with zero experience, over Horowitz with some 20 or whatever it is years of experience in intelligence

That is whats wrong with the country.....

[exitspeed]

You don't have to read 476 pages of the report to read the Summary that occurs within the first few pages......like just about every single report ever produced by the IG.

And that in itself is the issue; you are 100% willing to take the word of a politician and because it aligns with your own opinion, you confirm it as fact (confirmation bias) instead of actually reading for a change and forming your own opinion.

I mean, you literally did exactly this not but 3 posts above by cherry picking various out of context statements from the article you posted because it matched your own narrative.....

The report clearly states no political bias or issues were found, yet, you decided that Graham, who is nary a part of the intelligence community with zero experience, over Horowitz with some 20 or whatever it is years of experience in intelligence

That is whats wrong with the country.....

And what I posted above your post is another problem.

Quit being sore losers.

[exitspeed]

I think another problem is your completely willing to overlook serious issues that have been brought to light. I get what the report concludes. There’s still real problems with what went on.

And I get it, the Left gets a pass. Just like Hilary. You know, when if it were anyone but her they would have been indicted. Not my words.

And fuck it. I’m willing to move on. But the left never quits.

[RalliartRsX]

I think another problem is your completely willing to overlook serious issues that have been brought to light. I get what the report concludes. There’s still real problems with what went on.

And I get it, the Left gets a pass. Just like Hilary. You know, when if it were anyone but her they would have been indicted. Not my words.

And fuck it. I’m willing to move on. But the left never quits.

It's amazing. I make a simple statement; you did not read the report. ……….WHICH YOU DIDN'T!

No where did I mention HRC, election, whatever and somehow, you continue to pivot that direction. I literally made a single statement, called you on it and pointed out to you why it is ill informed to make the statements you do about a report you DID NOT READ! How can one know what the report concludes if you refuse to even be bothered to read the simplest of summaries?? The only issue they found was with the Carter Page inquiry, NOT THE OVERARCHING TRUMP PROBE! Again it literally said it in the summary. Literally......

Also, Mueller was a bipartisan choice
The IG report was initiated by the numerous claims by the gop in terms of election meddling for trump.

If you have so many issues with all these investigations, maybe
1) trump shouldn't be partaking in all sorts of nefarious behavior to trigger these investigations
2) Maybe tell the gop to stop sprouting unfounded accusations which triggers these lengthy investigations.

Cheers and please, go get laid before you have a aneurism.

[S14rebuild]

So....yes or no for the impeachment?

Cause this shitshow looks like a complete waste of time for the dems

[exitspeed]

It's amazing. I make a simple statement; you did not read the report. ……….WHICH YOU DIDN'T!

No where did I mention HRC, election, whatever and somehow, you continue to pivot that direction. I literally made a single statement, called you on it and pointed out to you why it is ill informed to make the statements you do about a report you DID NOT READ! How can one know what the report concludes if you refuse to even be bothered to read the simplest of summaries?? The only issue they found was with the Carter Page inquiry, NOT THE OVERARCHING TRUMP PROBE! Again it literally said it in the summary. Literally......

Also, Mueller was a bipartisan choice
The IG report was initiated by the numerous claims by the gop in terms of election meddling for trump.

If you have so many issues with all these investigations, maybe
1) trump shouldn't be partaking in all sorts of nefarious behavior to trigger these investigations
2) Maybe tell the gop to stop sprouting unfounded accusations which triggers these lengthy investigations.

Cheers and please, go get laid before you have a aneurism.

Again, if we say “ok there’s nothing here. It’s a stretch”, the left won’t do the same with Russia or Ukraine or whatever comes after the impeachment scam. Bro, it’s the same shit. You are ALSO backing paper thin acquisitions that can be argued either way and more than likely won’t amount to jack shit. You’re doing the exact same shit you’re accusing me of.

And cheers, I’ll have a pour of Blantons for ya tonight.

[exitspeed]

One day ago the USMCA and today this. This is how Washington should be operating. Compromise and passing legislation the people (obviously not every single person) want. Ie doing their fucking jobs.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/11/us/politics/house-ndaa-space-force-leave.amp.html

[gbaby2089]

Exitspeed, why do you bother quoting us and pretending to engage? You respond to a factual post, question it, get more facts, call us sore losers and post some garbage.

You don't know anything about politics and you're damaging the futures of your children as a result

[RalliartRsX]

Da fuq is space force?!?!? Hahahhahahah!

[exitspeed]

Exitspeed, why do you bother quoting us and pretending to engage? You respond to a factual post, question it, get more facts, call us sore losers and post some garbage.

You don't know anything about politics and you're damaging the futures of your children as a result

Please never mention my children or my parenting in here again. Please.

Da fuq is space force?!?!? Hahahhahahah!

You know, like the Air Force but with space. Pretty straight forward. It’s essentially just Air Force Space Command that’s been around since 82.



Im checking out of this thread until folks want to have conversations like adults.

[lewisfk]

Impeach asap! Let the do-nothing Senate give him a pass! History will side with the Dems.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[S14rebuild]

Impeach asap! Let the do-nothing Senate give him a pass! History will side with the Dems.

Its not gonna happen. Guarnteed. And with TRUMP hes making history not repeating it

[S14rebuild]

Like your President.

The one that mocks those with special needs.

Greatest president EVER

[Future240]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/12/16/trump-impeachment-2020-election-leads-democratic-rivals/2663659001/

[RalliartRsX]

What is the point of a poll when the final Dem candidate hasn't been selected yet or for the simple fact it is 1 year prior to the election??

The only thing informative and yet not particularly a surprising outcome garnered from the article; the impeachment process hasn't moved anyone's positions from the position they held prior to the impeachment process...….

[S14rebuild]

Whats the point of this entire thread if its years/year till election and none of our bitchn complaining means anything either?......just sayn its the same as this poll and all others...

[exitspeed]

Congratulations Democrats and their supporters, you’ve made history.

From this point on, every president that has to deal with a House majority of the opposing party will be impeached.

Well done. Round of applause.

“I’m not for impeachment without bipartisan support.”
Nancy Pelosi (March 2019)

[Future240]

Nancy was smart enough to know impeachment would only work against them. Her younger dem colleagues however are too rabid to understand the politics of being a politician.

The senate will not convict Trump.

He will tweet out he is exonerated and go on to win 2020 by a landslide.

This is my prediction.

[RalliartRsX]

He will only be exonerated if it goes to the Senate (I have a feeling the rules won't be decided before the new years....they still need to sign a budget as funding expires tonight/tomorrow).
mitch already said he will work with trump hand in hand...…..which completely removes the idea that the senate would be an unbiased juror.

Regardless of if you think this is shame, as the senate it is not your job to completely circumvent what you were hired to do.

But at this point, whatever. senate won't call any witnesses and will not vote to remove and that's that.

[jdmgtom]

Trump 2020, Drain the swamp

[exitspeed]

He will only be exonerated if it goes to the Senate (I have a feeling the rules won't be decided before the new years....they still need to sign a budget as funding expires tonight/tomorrow).
mitch already said he will work with trump hand in hand...…..which completely removes the idea that the senate would be an unbiased juror.

Regardless of if you think this is shame, as the senate it is not your job to completely circumvent what you were hired to do.

But at this point, whatever. senate won't call any witnesses and will not vote to remove and that's that.

There’s just too many games with this bs. Now Nancy is refusing fro send the articles to the senate? Come on.

They should vote to dismiss the case before Christmas next week. It means Trump won’t be acquitted, but it’ll be over and the American people can move on and hopefully our government can start accomplishing the shit they were elected to do. Dems got to tarnish his legacy with “impeachment” but can’t have him removed. It’s a win loss for everyone.

Let’s move on.

[TheRealSy90]

Have the Democrats/Left done anything productive during Trump's presidency other than fight him over everything and do anything they can to stir up drama?

[S14rebuild]

Nancy was smart enough to know impeachment would only work against them. Her younger dem colleagues however are too rabid to understand the politics of being a politician.

The senate will not convict Trump.

He will tweet out he is exonerated and go on to win 2020 by a landslide.

This is my prediction.


This is 10000% correct.

This bullshit impeachment from the house has lost the dems the 2020 election.

Trumps in full attack mode.

[lewisfk]

^^ Just in, Evangelical Pastor calls for the impeachment of the POTUS, straight from Christianity Today article.



https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/19/politics/christianity-today-op-ed-trump-removal-office/index.html

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

Let the guy break more laws!!!11!!

Do you agree with the Republican lunatics who claims Trump has had it 'harder than Jesus in the Crucifixion,' that yesterday was worse for America than Pearl Harbor and the Trump IMPEACHMENT was less fair than the Salem Witch Trials

Obama broke all kinds of laws, and the Republicans never moved to impeach.

The House has passed a fair amount of stuff.

McConnell has refused to do anything in the Senate.

Have Republicans done any research to prevent making ignorant statements in their lives?


And he’s such a criminal yet they are still helping him with HUGE wins.

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/12/19/usmca-nafta-north-american-trade-us-canada-mexico/

“Critics said it couldn’t be done, but he made it happen. Another promise made, another promise kept,” said House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif.

Some said the agreement did not do enough to prevent U.S. jobs from relocating to Mexico, but it won praise from Democrats who have routinely voted against prior trade agreements.

“Twenty-six years ago, I opposed NAFTA with every bone in my body," said Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga. “I never thought the day would come when we would have the opportunity to right some of the wrongs in that agreement."

Pelosi said the agreement was “light years" ahead of what the administration negotiated with Canada and Mexico. “We knew we could do better," Pelosi said.

[exitspeed]

Doing more for the American people. Trumps signs The Future Act.
“When I took office, I promised to fight for HBCUs, and my administration continues to deliver,” Trump said. “A few months ago, funding for HBCUs was in jeopardy. But the White House and Congress came together and reached a historic agreement.”

https://apnews.com/c4834e48841d97c5a93312b1bf75302a

What a criminal.

EDIT: oh and obviously a racist

[CrimsonRockett]

What a criminal.

EDIT: oh and obviously a racist

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump?wprov=sfla1


"In 1973 the U.S. Department of Justice sued Trump Management, Donald Trump and his father Fred, for discrimination against African Americans in their renting practices."

______________________________________________

Taking out a full page ad calling for the death penalty of 4 falsely accused black teenagers who allegedly committed a violent rape. The evidence that they were innocent was and still is overwhelming. When they were exonerated, Trump didn't back down. In October 2016, when Trump campaigned to be president, he said that Central Park Five were guilty and that their convictions should never have been vacated, attracting criticism from the Central Park Five themselves and others."

______________________________________________

"In a 1989 interview with Bryant Gumbel, Trump stated: "A well-educated black has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated white in terms of the job market."

______________________________________________

In his 1991 book Trumped! John O'Donnell quoted Trump as allegedly saying:

I've got black accountants at Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. [...] And it's probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks."

______________________________________________

"During the early 1990s, competition from an expanding Native American casino industry threatened his Atlantic City investments. During this period Trump stated that "nobody likes Indians as much as Donald Trump" but then claimed without evidence that the mob had infiltrated Native American casinos, that there was no way "Indians" or an "Indian chief" could stand up to the mob, implied that the casinos were not in fact owned by Native Americans based on the owners' appearance, and depicted Native Americans as greedy."

______________________________________________

"In April 2005, Trump appeared on Howard Stern's radio show, where Trump proposed that the fourth season of the television show The Apprentice would feature an exclusively white team of blondes competing against a team of only African-Americans."

______________________________________________

"In 2011, Trump revived the already discredited Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories that had been circulating since Obama's 2008 presidential campaign, and, for the following five years, he played a leading role in the so-called "birther movement""

______________________________________________

Here are a FEW examples of his racism during and after his campaign and presidency.

"At a rally in Birmingham, Alabama on November 21, 2015, Trump falsely claimed that he had seen television reports about "thousands and thousands" of Arabs in New Jersey celebrating as the World Trade Center collapsed during the 9/11 attacks."

______________________________________________

"In August 2016 Trump campaigned in Maine, which has a large immigrant Somali population. At a rally he said, "We've just seen many, many crimes getting worse all the time, and as Maine knows — a major destination for Somali refugees — right, am I right?" Trump also alluded to risks of terrorism, referring to an incident in June 2016 when three young Somali men were found guilty of planning to join the Islamic State in Syria."

______________________________________________

"Prior to and during the 2016 campaign, Trump used his political platform to spread disparaging messages against various racial groups. Trump claimed, "the overwhelming amount of violent crime in our cities is committed by blacks and Hispanics," that "there's killings on an hourly basis virtually in places like Baltimore and Chicago and many other places," that "There are places in America that are among the most dangerous in the world. You go to places like Oakland. Or Ferguson. The crime numbers are worse. Seriously," and retweeted a false claim that 81% of white murder victims were killed by black people."

______________________________________________

"During the campaign Trump was found to have retweeted the main influencers of the #WhiteGenocide movement over 75 times, including twice that he retweeted a user with the handle @WhiteGenocideTM."

______________________________________________

"Trump also falsely claimed that, "African American communities are absolutely in the worst shape they've ever been in before. Ever.""

______________________________________________

"Trump also suggested that evangelicals should not trust Ted Cruz because Cruz is Cuban and that Jeb Bush "has to like the Mexican illegals because of his wife," who is Mexican American."

______________________________________________

"Speaking in Virginia in August 2016, Trump said, "You're living in your poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58 percent of your youth is unemployed – what the hell do you have to lose by trying something new, like Trump?""

______________________________________________

"On January 27, 2017, via executive order, which he titled Protecting the Nation from Foreign Terrorist Entry into the United States, President Trump ordered the U.S border indefinitely closed to Syrian refugees fleeing the civil war. He also abruptly temporarily halted (for 90 days) immigration from six other Muslim-majority nations: Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen."

______________________________________________

"In June 2017, Trump called together a staff meeting to complain about the number of immigrants who had entered the country since his inauguration. The New York Times reported that two officials at the meeting state that when Trump read off a sheet stating that 15,000 persons had visited from Haiti, he commented, "They all have AIDS," and when reading that 40,000 persons had visited from Nigeria, he said that after seeing America the Nigerians would never “go back to their huts.""

______________________________________________

"The U.S. Department of Justice concluded that Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio oversaw the worst pattern of racial profiling in U.S. history. The illegal tactics that he was using included "extreme racial profiling and sadistic punishments that involved the torture, humiliation, and degradation of Latino inmates". The DoJ filed suit against him for unlawful discriminatory police conduct. He ignored their orders and was subsequently convicted of contempt of court for continuing to racially profile Hispanics. Calling him "a great American patriot", President Trump pardoned him soon afterwards, even before sentencing took place."

______________________________________________

"In his initial statement on the rally, Trump did not denounce white nationalists but instead condemned "hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides". His statement and his subsequent defenses of it, in which he also referred to "very fine people on both sides", suggested a moral equivalence between the white supremacist marchers and those who protested against them, leading some observers to state that he was sympathetic to white supremacy."

______________________________________________

"On January 11, 2018, during an Oval Office meeting about immigration reform, commenting on immigration figures from El Salvador, Haiti, Honduras, and African countries, Trump reportedly said: "Those shitholes send us the people that they don't want", and suggested that the US should instead increase immigration from "places like Norway" and Asian countries."

______________________________________________

"In August 2018, Trump sent a tweet stating that he had ordered Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to look into land seizures and the mass killing of white farmers in South Africa, acting on a racist conspiracy theory."

______________________________________________

"In May 2019, the Trump administration announced that there was no plan to replace the portrait of Andrew Jackson on the twenty-dollar bill with that of Harriet Tubman, as had been planned by the Obama administration."


Plenty of proof he also stiffs contractors as well.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/

[lewisfk]

^^ Thank You! He was never qualified to POTUS due to his history of outrageous comments. Remember, the NFL blocked him as an owner due to his history of saying antisemitic and racial epithets against black people, but he was able to be President.

[exitspeed]

Ahhhhh, you guys are right. All the Democrats are squeaky clean.

I don’t really need to post the list of people at Epstein’s island do I?

I need to remind you of Clinton’s actions while IN office?

I’d rather not.

Also, let me remind you, black folks LOVED Trump before he ran for office and the left told them to hate him now. Don’t take my word for it. Take the dozens upon dozens upon dozens of times rappers talked about trump and all the photos of trump hanging out with rappers and black celebs. Would be a weird thing for them all to champion such a racist wouldn’t it?

Look, Trump is not a perfect man. Neither am I. Difference is, neither him or I claim to be. But there’s one thing we need to really take away here (which you will all ignore and deny).... HE’S GETTING SHIT DONE.

[RalliartRsX]

Ahhhhh, you guys are right. All the Democrats are squeaky clean.

I don’t really need to post the list of people at Epstein’s island do I?

I need to remind you of Clinton’s actions while IN office?

I’d rather not.

Also, let me remind you, black folks LOVED Trump before he ran for office and the left told them to hate him now. Don’t take my word for it. Take the dozens upon dozens upon dozens of times rappers talked about trump and all the photos of trump hanging out with rappers and black celebs. Would be a weird thing for them all to champion such a racist wouldn’t it?

Look, Trump is not a perfect man. Neither am I. Difference is, neither him or I claim to be. But there’s one thing we need to really take away here (which you will all ignore and deny).... HE’S GETTING SHIT DONE.


BUt her emails....but Obama....but Dems. That's not the point.

If I committed a robbery, can my defense be "but this guy did the same!!"

The answer is no. This will not discount what trump has done. However you are using this to justify your locked in arms with trump.

And I am sure you cannot come up with any inkling of evidence Obama was even remotely as racists as trump.........which is the entire premise behind crimsons post.

But but but.......what about this guy...or that dem..of that liberal....or that priest.

Whataboutism at it's finest

[exitspeed]

You’re missing the point.

THEY’RE ALL corrupt in some way shape or form. If you casted a vote for Hilary you voted for a criminal.

Stop acting like your party is above all this. Because as we’ve seen with the MeToo movement and other shit it’s USUALLY lefties that go down for the worst shit imaginable ie Epstein, Weinstein, etc etc. Republicans, Conservative don’t go down because they know there’s no way they’d get away with half the shit these pedophiles and other sick fucks on the Left get away with.

I’m telling you the difference is I’m not expecting Trump to be perfect.

[lewisfk]

Hillary is no more of a criminal than Banner and McConnell. These idiots handed out check from big tobacco and lied to the American people over the side effects of cigarettes, assisting in the deaths of millions!

[CrimsonRockett]

Ahhhhh, you guys are right. All the Democrats are squeaky clean.

I wasn't talking about Democrats in my response to you. My focus was Trump being a criminal and a racist. Let's stay on point.


I don’t really need to post the list of people at Epstein’s island do I?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/OAHTIGVTJAI6TLGIDWCHXLGKOM.jpg&w=1440


I need to remind you of Clinton’s actions while IN office?

I’d rather not.

What, a blowjob and a strong economy?


Also, let me remind you, black folks LOVED Trump before he ran for office and the left told them to hate him now. Don’t take my word for it. Take the dozens upon dozens upon dozens of times rappers talked about trump and all the photos of trump hanging out with rappers and black celebs. Would be a weird thing for them all to champion such a racist wouldn’t it?

The "left" didn't tell them to hate him. His own actions and the power of the internet/readily available information did. Some rappers are all about flaunting, cars, women, expensive jewelry, etc. So, it's easy to see why these rappers would mention Trump in their songs with his playboy-like lifestyle.


Look, Trump is not a perfect man. Neither am I. Difference is, neither him or I claim to be.

No one is perfect. No one has ever claimed Trump was a perfect man prior to becoming president. The difference is, you justify his criminal conduct and racist views because you've chosen party over country.


But there’s one thing we need to really take away here (which you will all ignore and deny).... HE’S GETTING SHIT DONE.

You keep telling yourself that.



BUt her emails....but Obama....but Dems. That's not the point.

If I committed a robbery, can my defense be "but this guy did the same!!"

The answer is no. This will not discount what trump has done. However you are using this to justify your locked in arms with trump.

And I am sure you cannot come up with any inkling of evidence Obama was even remotely as racists as trump.........which is the entire premise behind crimsons post.

But but but.......what about this guy...or that dem..of that liberal....or that priest.

Whataboutism at it's finest


Pretty much sums it up. Republicans lost their minds when Obama wore a tan suit. Fox News attacked Obama for putting Dijon mustard on his burger. Could you imagine how they would have reacted if Obama mocked a reporter with a disability? What if Obama paid off a porn star to have her keep quiet?

For someone who has stated dozens if not hundreds of times that he would release his tax returns, he sure is doing everything he possibly can to block their release. What does this totally not a criminal president have to hide?



You’re missing the point.

THEY’RE ALL corrupt in some way shape or form.

A lot of politicians are. Not all.

You know, there are people who exist in this world who genuinely want to make it a better place not only for themselves, but for everyone else in it regardless of where they were born, their religious beliefs, their sexual preferences, or the color of their skin.


If you casted a vote for Hilary you voted for a criminal.

The same can be said of Trump. He also lost the popular vote. I'm sure that one still stings Trump along with the significantly smaller turnout for his inauguration.

https://peopledotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/national-park-aerial-2000.jpg

Stop acting like your party is above all this. Because as we’ve seen with the MeToo movement and other shit it’s USUALLY lefties that go down for the worst shit imaginable ie Epstein, Weinstein, etc etc. Republicans, Conservative don’t go down because they know there’s no way they’d get away with half the shit these pedophiles and other sick fucks on the Left get away with.

I’m telling you the difference is I’m not expecting Trump to be perfect.

As an independent, I can tell you I don't give a shit about this whole two party system.

Republicans and conservatives pay prostitutes and porn stars to keep their mouths shut.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

You guys win. You’re right as always. Obviously the vinyl way to see things is your way.

[S14rebuild]

Well here goes 2020!lol

[lewisfk]

It's basic shit, the man is flawed and never should have been POTUS. The Democrats were wrong to undercut Burney and push Hilary. The true reason the Democratic Party push for her is so she can be the first woman President. Elizabeth Warren is the best option if she can compromise on her health care plan. Raising taxes back to the Clinton era to find infrastructure and taxing the so-called job creates their fare share would help the country greatly!

[RalliartRsX]

It's basic shit, the man is flawed and never should have been POTUS. The Democrats were wrong to undercut Burney and push Hilary. The true reason the Democratic Party push for her is so she can be the first woman President. Elizabeth Warren is the best option if she can compromise on her health care plan. Raising taxes back to the Clinton era to find infrastructure and taxing the so-called job creates their fare share would help the country greatly!

I tend to disagree with why HRC was supported by the Dems. The push for HRC was because she was damn good at what she did, especially at State. The people voted for HRC in the primaries and the Dems just solidified it by backing HRC. HRC won by almost 4 millions more votes over Bernie

However, HRC was a bad candidate/campaigner.. She is very robotic and not very charismatic. A trait which makes for getting shit done, not necessarily the face of the free world.

The issue is she was an easy target for the propaganda war. GOP and Dems alike had the utmost respect for her behind the scenes. However, that was the gop party of old. The false character assassination and just outright propaganda/fake news that infiltrated the airways/social media negated the respect both parties held for HRC.

For whatever reason, the gop of new is still caught up on her emails and Benghazi. I doubt anyone from the gop of new could stand up to such a barrage of questions for the 11 hours straight. All you get right now is a bunch of whiney bitches about process..........A process the GOP themselves rewrote when they impeached Clinton..........A process the Dems were following to the T. They got the process and what do they do?? Delay and stonewall. All the while negating the fact of the constitution literally being undermined by trump.

WTF does the process have to do with anything if you yourself admit guilty and literally produce the evidence to back up??

Anyways, I am preaching to the choir here and I will always go back to what Falkon says; no one here is changing their mind. And that's that

[lewisfk]

Valid point. Who is your choice?

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

You're doing your usual tactic of throwing complete falsehoods or irrelevant statements at Dems but claiming COURT VERIFIED FACTS about your guy (or stuff he has said himself) are lies.

You're the least willing to budge of anyone here.

What is it you want from me?

Trump is not a great person. I mean that. Satisfied?

It’s pointless having thee conversations on here (or on society media in general) because the point is to just combat whatever the other person says and never budge.

Like I said multiple times, I’d rather meet and buy you a beer and talk it over in person over this bullshit. Typically I have just a min or two (if that) to try and voice my opinion (between work and 3 kids). So it’s usually this abbreviated, not well thought out version of what I’m thinking. That’s just the truth.

[Future240]

^^^^^We still need to get wings one day.

No one is changing their mind, but it is still interesting to debate and see different points. Just cannot take it personal or get offended.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

I mean, he's a bad person but I appreciate your slight concession above.

I think we're all just trying to illustrate that he's hurting a lot of folks man. For everyone but a Trump loyalist, every single thing happening in American politics right now is really bad.

And even most Trumpers will face repercussions from Republican's bad policies. (This isn't a threat of revenge from the left, this is my opinion of the outcome of bad economic, social, etc., policies)

Honestly I just wholeheartedly disagree with that. Saying “every single” thing is just not being honest. I posted multiple links of accomplishments (nafta, HBCU, animal cruelty law, the military bill) he’s had just in the last two weeks that have garnered praise even from the Democrats that just impeached him. Those are all undisputed wins for all. I’m sure they aren’t everything everyone wants but that’s not how politics works (or negotiations in general).

So again, he might not be a good person, but shit is getting done on his watch that IS food for everyone.

[RalliartRsX]

Honestly I just wholeheartedly disagree with that. Saying “every single” thing is just not being honest. I posted multiple links of accomplishments (nafta, HBCU, animal cruelty law, the military bill) he’s had just in the last two weeks that have garnered praise even from the Democrats that just impeached him. Those are all undisputed wins for all. I’m sure they aren’t everything everyone wants but that’s not how politics works (or negotiations in general).

So again, he might not be a good person, but shit is getting done on his watch that IS food for everyone.


So that's the thing exitspeed, you are crediting trump with all these wins, when in fact, the only hand he had in atleast 2 of those deals was signing a piece of paper (and yes, the same can be said for Obama).

- The House crafted the military bill. Not the senate. Not the president
- The Nafta deal is basically the old deal that was signed in the Obama era with just a different name and a few tweeks (if that much). Which he again had no hand in and just signed. I cannot even give credit to his team as trump walked away from Nafta, only to have his team draft up almost exactly the same bill he walked away from. Is that a good use of tax dollars?? No


But even then; is the military bill really a win?? The gop has long "talked" (and even then I use this loosely) about being fiscal conservative. You know what the tax cuts did?? Absolutely nothing but a quick 5 hour energy shot and in term, lasted all of a few months, the deficit up significantly and all the business folks did was buy shares in their own company. If you haven't taken a look recently, the last time the deficit was this high, we were at "war". I just wish you would use your time that you would reading your "sources" and dedicate that time to actually reading the numbers. Or in the case of the FBI investigation for instance, the actual report which directly contradicts the statements from your "source". All this leads to is you getting pissed when people point out the error in your statements. No one is trying to attack you, just point out you are incorrect in a number of your assertions.

[Future240]

Like most presidents Trump has done some good and some bad.

Clinton for example great economy yet signed in a law that helped incarcerate a lot of people.

We don't yet the long term results of his presidency. It might be an economic win and social failure. Could be an international disaster. It could end up being the greatest reign in a long time. It could go down flames.

As an independent I wish him the best. His country is my country. If he goes down, in a way so do we.

I care not about party lines.

Some stuff I agree with him on (offense culture for instance can gtfo)

I disagree on a whole lot.

In the end though no matter whether you sit left, right or middle, we all have to still share this country. I wish both the dems and Repubs would reach across the aisle and work together to solve some of the real issues at hand, like our VA system is messed up, healthcare is messed up, drug laws are messed up, allowing telecom companies to write laws about telecom is messed up, etc. etc.

[exitspeed]

So that's the thing exitspeed, you are crediting trump with all these wins, when in fact, the only hand he had in atleast 2 of those deals was signing a piece of paper (and yes, the same can be said for Obama).

- The House crafted the military bill. Not the senate. Not the president
- The Nafta deal is basically the old deal that was signed in the Obama era with just a different name and a few tweeks (if that much). Which he again had no hand in and just signed. I cannot even give credit to his team as trump walked away from Nafta, only to have his team draft up almost exactly the same bill he walked away from. Is that a good use of tax dollars?? No


But even then; is the military bill really a win?? The gop has long "talked" (and even then I use this loosely) about being fiscal conservative. You know what the tax cuts did?? Absolutely nothing but a quick 5 hour energy shot and in term, lasted all of a few months, the deficit up significantly and all the business folks did was buy shares in their own company. If you haven't taken a look recently, the last time the deficit was this high, we were at "war". I just wish you would use your time that you would reading your "sources" and dedicate that time to actually reading the numbers. Or in the case of the FBI investigation for instance, the actual report which directly contradicts the statements from your "source". All this leads to is you getting pissed when people point out the error in your statements. No one is trying to attack you, just point out you are incorrect in a number of your assertions.

Your argument then takes the credit from every president in history and credits a previous administration because every bill is more than likely something that has been worked on previously.

Also, the tax break did a lot. Not just the break but changing the brackets. That was HUGE for my family. Before the change we would have been paying 33%, now we’re at 24%. I’ll let you do the math, but that’s not an insignificant amount of money. Like I said, I own my own business and have 3 kids. That’s a big big deal.

[Future240]

Also, the tax break did a lot. Not just the break but changing the brackets. That was HUGE for my family. Before the change we would have been paying 33%, now we’re at 24%. I’ll let you do the math, but that’s not an insignificant amount of money. Like I said, I own my own business and have 3 kids. That’s a big big deal.

I know it has not helped everyone but I will cosign the tax break has helped some families. After it took affect my bi weekly pay went up over $100 and my return was the biggest it has ever been.

It honestly was a huge win.

Now I just need Cruz and Sanders to get together and make them permanent.....

[exitspeed]

But but but...

It’s bad because of this and bad because that.

All I’m saying to the rest of you guys is be realistic. Like a little. When you say that literally everything Trump does is the worst shit ever, its hard to take anything else you say seriously. Because it’s simply not true. Period.

I thought Obama was a horrible president, but at no point did I think every single thing he did was bad.

Give credit where credit is due and you’re argument becomes far more credible.

[Coupes_FTW]

TCJA honestly is the worst shit ever.

[exitspeed]

TCJA honestly is the worst shit ever.

Oh shit, why didn’t you say so?

I’ll just give the government back the extra tens of thousands of dollars they didn’t keep of my money. I mean it’s not like I was using it to raise my family, expand my business/career and fuel the booming economy.

[KA24DESOneThree]

I'm voting for Bernie.

I'm still a libertarian but we NEED to get Trump out of office. We NEED to begin to dismantle the GOP and the Democrats. This two-party shit has got to go. Either they rise from the ashes or new parties form; either way a rebirth is absolutely essential to the security of a free state.

Bernie's the beginning. Probably the beginning of a long trek toward a left-leaning State, but at least he can string together a fucking sentence and has a goddamn backbone.

At least he'll try to stop the warhawks from fucking up the world.

At least he'll try to get our healthcare system straightened out, because right now it's not even a little bit capitalist.

Maybe he'll tax the uber-wealthy. Maybe he won't be able to get that passed. I hope he does stick a boot up Bezos' ass. I hope he does knock Alphabet, Apple, Facebook, and Amazon down a couple pegs. Fuck those companies because they're weeds that used the US regulatory and taxation structure as trellis. They didn't use any part of fair competition to get where they are. They destroyed and enveloped their competition by means of simply having more money. They knew how the system worked and they gamed it, exploiting glitches and cheating their way to the top.

Don't you all see what's happening around us? Global warming is real. US military intervention creating unstable geopolitics in areas we don't understand is real. Wealth disparity and income inequality is real. Government bias toward bad actor nations is real. A justice system that is anything but is real.

Trump is a fucking child, an imbecile narcissist. He cannot be reelected.

[Thursday7]

I'm voting for Bernie.

I'm still a libertarian but we NEED to get Trump out of office. We NEED to begin to dismantle the GOP and the Democrats. This two-party shit has got to go. Either they rise from the ashes or new parties form; either way a rebirth is absolutely essential to the security of a free state.

Bernie's the beginning. Probably the beginning of a long trek toward a left-leaning State, but at least he can string together a fucking sentence and has a goddamn backbone.

At least he'll try to stop the warhawks from fucking up the world.

At least he'll try to get our healthcare system straightened out, because right now it's not even a little bit capitalist.

Maybe he'll tax the uber-wealthy. Maybe he won't be able to get that passed. I hope he does stick a boot up Bezos' ass. I hope he does knock Alphabet, Apple, Facebook, and Amazon down a couple pegs. Fuck those companies because they're weeds that used the US regulatory and taxation structure as trellis. They didn't use any part of fair competition to get where they are. They destroyed and enveloped their competition by means of simply having more money. They knew how the system worked and they gamed it, exploiting glitches and cheating their way to the top.

Don't you all see what's happening around us? Global warming is real. US military intervention creating unstable geopolitics in areas we don't understand is real. Wealth disparity and income inequality is real. Government bias toward bad actor nations is real. A justice system that is anything but is real.

Trump is a fucking child, an imbecile narcissist. He cannot be reelected.

I agree with pretty much all of this, albeit I've missed the last few pages to see if it was in response to any context.

Kinda reminds me of myself a few years ago when I thought I was Libertarian. Then I realized how shitty capitalism is.

[S14rebuild]

I'm voting for Bernie.

I'm still a libertarian but we NEED to get Trump out of office. We NEED to begin to dismantle the GOP and the Democrats. This two-party shit has got to go. Either they rise from the ashes or new parties form; either way a rebirth is absolutely essential to the security of a free state.

Bernie's the beginning. Probably the beginning of a long trek toward a left-leaning State, but at least he can string together a fucking sentence and has a goddamn backbone.

At least he'll try to stop the warhawks from fucking up the world.

At least he'll try to get our healthcare system straightened out, because right now it's not even a little bit capitalist.

Maybe he'll tax the uber-wealthy. Maybe he won't be able to get that passed. I hope he does stick a boot up Bezos' ass. I hope he does knock Alphabet, Apple, Facebook, and Amazon down a couple pegs. Fuck those companies because they're weeds that used the US regulatory and taxation structure as trellis. They didn't use any part of fair competition to get where they are. They destroyed and enveloped their competition by means of simply having more money. They knew how the system worked and they gamed it, exploiting glitches and cheating their way to the top.

Don't you all see what's happening around us? Global warming is real. US military intervention creating unstable geopolitics in areas we don't understand is real. Wealth disparity and income inequality is real. Government bias toward bad actor nations is real. A justice system that is anything but is real.

Trump is a fucking child, an imbecile narcissist. He cannot be reelected.


TRUMP IS THE GREATEST PRESIDENT.

Col. Sanders stands no chance to get elected. Old mans a fool.

[gbaby2089]

Foreign policy is one of the things that is most confusing to me about Trumpers.

So many of them said he'd keep America safe, but it seems like he's done the opposite.

Ending the Iran deal against the recommendations of all of the US top generals, former CIA directors, former directors of Mossad, current leaders of Israeli military, etc. That doesn't keep Americans safe & it undoes any slight good will the nuclear deal may have done.

Pulling troops out of Syria hurts the Kurdish people which have turned up time and time again to assist US interests.

He's made zero real, tangible progress with N Korea.

He has set us back with Cuba.

Etc.

Trump has done like 3 good things, props for that, even if it took getting Kim K and Kanye for him to do them. But yeesh, the bad outweighs them by so much.

[Coupes_FTW]

Oh shit, why didn’t you say so?

I’ll just give the government back the extra tens of thousands of dollars they didn’t keep of my money. I mean it’s not like I was using it to raise my family, expand my business/career and fuel the booming economy.


I want to be proven wrong, happy to run the numbers before and after TCJA for your tax bracket, your SE income and the amount of kids that get to listen to you bitch about the libs. Hard to believe you're able to save thousands of dollars, sorry, TENS of thousands of dollars from a slight reduction in the marginal tax rates and the elimination of your shit rat exemptions and state tax deductions.

Also you're not understanding macroeconomics, that's clear from your convictions of the economy "booming". Your dollars are becoming more worthless as the debt bubble increases.

I don't even know why I try. There's no swaying you, go Trump, buy stocks, blame someone else when the economy catches up from this clown convention

[S14rebuild]

I want to be proven wrong, happy to run the numbers before and after TCJA for your tax bracket, your SE income and the amount of kids that get to listen to you bitch about the libs. Hard to believe you're able to save thousands of dollars, sorry, TENS of thousands of dollars from a slight reduction in the marginal tax rates and the elimination of your shit rat exemptions and state tax deductions.

Also you're not understanding macroeconomics, that's clear from your convictions of the economy "booming". Your dollars are becoming more worthless as the debt bubble increases.

I don't even know why I try. There's no swaying you, go Trump, buy stocks, blame someone else when the economy catches up from this clown convention


Why do we have to prove you wrong? You beleve what you want, thats fine. No one here is gonna convince the other to change. Thats apparent and would say not really the point of the thread. We all beleve in something. Thats good. We all want whats best for ourselves. Beleve what u want, vote for who you choose. At the end of the day be greatfull you have the right todo so!




Oh...

Trump 2020!

[exitspeed]

I want to be proven wrong, happy to run the numbers before and after TCJA for your tax bracket, your SE income and the amount of kids that get to listen to you bitch about the libs. Hard to believe you're able to save thousands of dollars, sorry, TENS of thousands of dollars from a slight reduction in the marginal tax rates and the elimination of your shit rat exemptions and state tax deductions.

Also you're not understanding macroeconomics, that's clear from your convictions of the economy "booming". Your dollars are becoming more worthless as the debt bubble increases.

I don't even know why I try. There's no swaying you, go Trump, buy stocks, blame someone else when the economy catches up from this clown convention

I’ll let you do the math and figure it out, but before the new tax brackets my wife and I would have been taxed at 33%. Now we’re 24%. It’s pretty straight forward.

And why is there such a strong need to want to “sway” people? I don’t k ow you from a hole in the wall so yeah you have literally zero sway over me.

[Future240]

I highly doubt anyone will be swayed to vote one way or the other. This is more just to debate and see other view points.

IMO as long as he doesnt bring on another 08 style recession the Trump presidency like most presidents will be seen as amazing by his party and hated by the other side.

Exactly like Obama. He will have some impacts here and there and little impact in other places.

Again. I hope he succeeds. I may not have voted for him, but he is my president and as my president he has my support for the position even if I don't support all his policies.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Future240]

Depending on which news stories you read and how they lean, his acts are either criminal or perfectly fine. I read the ukraine call transcrip. I didn't see anything wrong with it.

[exitspeed]

I highly doubt anyone will be swayed to vote one way or the other. This is more just to debate and see other view points.

IMO as long as he doesnt bring on another 08 style recession the Trump presidency like most presidents will be seen as amazing by his party and hated by the other side.

Exactly like Obama. He will have some impacts here and there and little impact in other places.

Again. I hope he succeeds. I may not have voted for him, but he is my president and as my president he has my support for the position even if I don't support all his policies.

This is how I was with Obama. I didn’t want him in office (even though I was very close to voting for him) and even as I grew more and more against his politics and ideology throughout his 2 terms, there was never a point I wished he would fail, be removed, or feel the need to protest (which is a lefty ass thing to do anyway).

Just let the man do his job.

What the Left isn’t realizing their even doing is crying wolf over and over and over. That story holds very true here. People that are more center see the Left having an absolute meltdown and acting like “everything he’s doing is a crime” and those arguments constantly being shot down and they just don’t believe it anymore.

[S14rebuild]

Just let the man do his job.

What the Left isn’t realizing their even doing is crying wolf over and over and over. That story holds very true here. People that are more center see the Left having an absolute meltdown and acting like “everything he’s doing is a crime” and those arguments constantly being shot down and they just don’t believe it anymore.


Truth...i have many friends that are/were dems that will. Be voting for trump in 2020 just cause how the left have acted, threw a fit, tantrum over trump getn elected, the impeachment trial. They want nothing todo with that party.

[exitspeed]

If we want a very relevant recent event look no further than the Scott Walker recall in WI in 2012. He was elected, the Lefties lost their fucking minds, said everything he did was illegal, protested literally every single day at the capitol building (and causing actual hundreds of thousands of dollars in damage in the process) and started a recall. What happened? More people voted for him in the recall than when he was elected. That was a response from moderates that saw the way the Left was responding and wanted nothing to do with it.

Same shit is happening with Trump.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

"The lefties" protested.

Cops and firefighters did too. Not leftie groups.

Cops, teachers, professors, etc., are still seeing their income stagnate in this state.

All leftist. Civil servants support and want a bloated Government, thus leftist.


But hey, why worry about civil servants when you can screw them over AND kill the planet for generations to come?

Fuck Civil Servants. Fuck the teachers. Privatize education and make schools merit based and not by geography.

If you believe the world is truly ending then lets start drawing straws for mass euthanasia. We need a biblical plague to wipe out the developing world and to immediately stop all immigration.

Better yet, we should force everyone to become Amish.

*fake news deleted*



Also, reacting to a recall and re-electing an extremist are not 'moderate' behaviors. This country is so far to the right politically that Eisenhower wouldn't even recognize the Republican party.

Didn't realize balancing the budget and preventing further theft from your constituents was "radical".

As for Eisenhower, can you imagine what him will Kennedy would be saying about the Communist Mother Fuckers calling them selves democrats today?

Oh, here's another fun fact:

Trump's director of the CIA? Gina Haspel. The former chief of a CIA black site where torture (including waterboarding among other torture techniques) took place. Your boy put a WAR CRIMINAL in place to commit even more war crimes. She played a leading part in the destruction of 92 tapes from that site, against the direct commands of CIA legal council and CIA leadership. Got to love empowering war criminals who have zero regard for humanity, the Geneva Convention and law in general.

Hard to call Waterboarding torture when people opening do it to one another as a form of protest. Most operatives also willing experience it as part of training.

Funny, you are all for stripping Americans of their constitutional rights but want to cry about some child raping murdering piece of shit getting water poured on his face.

Your faux outrage is exhausting.

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[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

You have a worrying lack of grasp on reality.

This might come as a shock, but we think the same thing about you.

[supersayianjim]

trump 2020 and Epstein didn't kill himself...

[jdmgtom]

This might come as a shock, but we think the same thing about you.

lmao yeah lefties are weird, Just look at Antifa, they're the worst type of people.

[exitspeed]

If by weird you mean extremist hate group, yes.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[S14rebuild]

The worst type of people are Nazis.


Just like everything eles here....depends who you ask.......

[exitspeed]

Being opposed to fascism is a hate group?

Y'all labeling your political opposition as terrorists, classic fascist move. Celebrating war crimes, vilifying intellectuals, opposing social norms....all classic acts of fascists.

The worst type of people are Nazis.

Dude you are out your fucking MIND. Wooooow.

That’s the difference between you and I. Nazis, white nationalists, kkk...all fucked up and they shouldn’t exist. But you’re allllll good supporting YOUR violent hate group.

Doesn’t surprise me.

[Future240]

Being opposed to fascism is a hate group?

Y'all labeling your political opposition as terrorists, classic fascist move. Celebrating war crimes, vilifying intellectuals, opposing social norms....all classic acts of fascists.

The worst type of people are Nazis.

I would not call them a hate group by pure definition. However they are not good either.

From a non bias source

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/who-are-antifa
Today, antifa activists focus on harassing right wing extremists both online and in real life. Antifa is not a unified group; it is loose collection of local/regional groups and individuals. Their presence at a protest is intended to intimidate and dissuade racists, but the use of violent measures by some antifa against their adversaries can create a vicious, self-defeating cycle of attacks, counter-attacks and blame. This is why most established civil rights organizations criticize antifa tactics as dangerous and counterproductive.



See the splc def

Why doesn't the SPLC list antifa as a hate group?
The SPLC condemns violence in all its forms, including the violent acts of far-left street movements like antifa (short for anti-fascist). But the propensity for violence, though present in many hate groups, is not among the criteria for listing. Also, antifa groups do not promote hatred based on race, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation or gender identity (see criteria above).

IMO they seem to be more of a domestic terrorist group

[cherryhatch]

Is Dan Crenshaw still in it? Wouldn't mind the next president looking like Solid Snake... LOL

But for real, I wrote in Bernie last time so probably will just do the same again if he doesn't get nominated ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Corbic]

Being opposed to fascism is a hate group?



Y'all labeling your political opposition as terrorists, classic fascist move. Celebrating war crimes, vilifying intellectuals, opposing social norms....all classic acts of fascists.



The worst type of people are Nazis.Ironic how they are text book fascists.

A Socialist group using violence and intimidation to suppress political rivals... Where did we see that...



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[Future240]

Is Dan Crenshaw still in it? Wouldn't mind the next president looking like Solid Snake... LOL

But for real, I wrote in Bernie last time so probably will just do the same again if he doesn't get nominated ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

He was never in it to begin with.

Ironic how they are text book fascists.

A Socialist group using violence and intimidation to suppress political rivals... Where did we see that...



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Definitely not Nazi's, nope. Not at all.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Future240]

^Fair enough on the Nazi link. I can admit when I’m wrong.

Secondly not a conservative.


If I was being blunt. Antifa is not as bad as the KKK or the New Black Panther party.

However they are becoming more violent in their protests.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/antifa-far-left-violence-extremism-deadly-year-opnion-1477065%3famp=1
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/ex-antifa-member-wants-group-labeled-domestic-terrorism-threat-1455046%3famp=1

[Corbic]

How many mass shooters, stabbings, bombings, etc., have been done by left groups in the US against those by right wing extremists?



You guys have a monopoly on murder, I'll give you that.

Can't think of any... But I suppose you feel any white male that commits a mass shooting is automatically a "right wing white suprememenismistz"







Nazis weren't socialists.



inb4 someone with zero grasp of history says BuT iT wAs In ThE nAmE



https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists



It is 2020 and the whole of human history is so readily accessible and y'all choose to be consistently wrong/ignorant.

Uh, horse shit.


https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-nazism-and-vs-socialism/

Are Socialists Nazis? No.

Was Nazi Germany Socialist? Yes.

Is a socialism just a more palpable gateway to. Communism? Yes.


Karl Marx is a piece of fucking shit and his teachings have killed more people then any religion, race or Facist could have ever dreamed.


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[S14rebuild]

If I was being blunt. Antifa is not as bad as the KKK or the New Black Panther party.


Wakanda forever?

[Corbic]

Holy Shit Balls.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200103/3dfbd8f1b0b46d51ebea621a147cc472.jpg

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[RalliartRsX]

Did trump really just start a war with Iran?!?!.

Da fuq?!?!? This is seriously not good......

[Corbic]

Did trump really just start a war with Iran?!?!.

Da fuq?!?!? This is seriously not good......https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/604375/


We've basically been at war with Iran. This guy had been orchestrating all the turmoil across the Middle East.




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[S14rebuild]

No war is comen from this. R.e.l.a.x