The 2020 Presidential Race

[zombiewolf513]

...and Trump will still be your President.

[SupaDoopa]

*Was proven to look like a fucking moron so is planning to call someone racist soon if they don't stop e-bullying.*

Wow. What an educated rebuttal. You defend a piece of fucking cloth with your life and shit talk everyone who won't wear it. Tell me, what would Patient B do? Sleep with it on? What happens when they open their mouths to breathe when they eat? What happens in the shower? The Government must be mailing you ballots covered it in COVID-19 to boost their effected rate and death tolls to show how poorly a single man whom they've already stripped all his power is handling such a pandemic.

Your response is exactly what I expected, too. Where is the Po Po dude to come in and call me racist because I proved his stupid ass wrong too? Call in the troops. Y'all can have a peaceful protest in the Autonomous Zone with the rest of your kind.

[deolio]

*nonsensical dumbfuckery continues*

Can I get a works sited page in MLA format to go along with your posts please?

I don?t think anyone is dumb for not wanting to wear a piece of cloth over their mouth. I just think they?re dumb for trying to politicize it. If anything, I think they should be enforcing wearing N95 masks and telling people with cloth garbage to fuck off. No indoor dining or working. People living in apartments with central air are fucked unless their HVAC uses HEPA 14 filters and every surface is regularly disinfected.

Trump and all his homies are dumb as hell. Darwinism at its finest.

[zombiewolf513]

You must've been one of the Y2K nuts

[kingkilburn]

The Trump admin throws one hell of a party.

https://reductress.com/post/white-house-throws-best-murder-mystery-party-of-all-time/

[kingkilburn]

Corbic, old buddy old pal, I spent weeks in here dissecting yours and your friends here on facts and rational discourse. At best you all ignored it. At worst you went duality of man with cult of trump nonsense and Alex Jones level conspiracy insanity.

So I said fuck it and hit you with your own game and your feelings are still hurt. Mission mother fucking accomplished. You fucks just barely stay within the rules outside of the loud noises section. Why the fuck should I play by yours here? You sure as fuck don't care about reality and facts or even basic rational argumentation so get it in kind your amoral boot licking propaganda whore.

[Corbic]

You must've been one of the Y2K nutsWorld is gonna end in 10 years. This is our WW2!

[kingkilburn]

Cry more about who the actual nazis and racists are.

[SupaDoopa]

Can I get a works sited page in MLA format to go along with your posts please?

I don?t think anyone is dumb for not wanting to wear a piece of cloth over their mouth. I just think they?re dumb for trying to politicize it. If anything, I think they should be enforcing wearing N95 masks and telling people with cloth garbage to fuck off. No indoor dining or working. People living in apartments with central air are fucked unless their HVAC uses HEPA 14 filters and every surface is regularly disinfected.

Trump and all his homies are dumb as hell. Darwinism at its finest.

Never once said I was voting for anyone specific. You just like to clump people with a rational mindset [or people that are just really off the wall which I understand] together in the same camp. N95 masks aren't any better than the pieces of cloth other than they provide a closer proximity to your face. I think you should do some reading before you continue to make yourself look more and more uneducated. They are supposed to be a single use and still do not protect from COVID-19 and other airborne cellular level contaminants.

The Trump admin throws one hell of a party.

https://reductress.com/post/white-house-throws-best-murder-mystery-party-of-all-time/

Nice example of a reliable source. I'll bookmark them in the future to see what color jeans match my shirt or which celebrity is shacking up with a Kardashian.

Cry more about who the actual nazis and racists are.

According to you, literally everyone that doesn't share your mindset which is obviously correct. It's impossible that your skewed logic on what is right and wrong be incorrect. Just even considering this statement probably makes me a racist nazi.

[zombiewolf513]

>in b4 the god emperor's freshly minted, 24k gold antibodies are from his bone marrow are used to create the perfect commie-virus antigens necessary for a successful vaccine

[kingkilburn]

Nice example of a reliable source. I'll bookmark them in the future to see what color jeans match my shirt or which celebrity is shacking up with a Kardashian.



According to you, literally everyone that doesn't share your mindset which is obviously correct. It's impossible that your skewed logic on what is right and wrong be incorrect. Just even considering this statement probably makes me a racist nazi.


A satirical article on a random blog is a source? Good God, man.



You are the one enforcing that all that disagree with Kilburn are racist. Keep up the good work I guess.

[deolio]

Never once said I was voting for anyone specific. You just like to clump people with a rational mindset [or people that are just really off the wall which I understand] together in the same camp. N95 masks aren't any better than the pieces of cloth other than they provide a closer proximity to your face. I think you should do some reading before you continue to make yourself look more and more uneducated. They are supposed to be a single use and still do not protect from COVID-19 and other airborne cellular level contaminants.

I never said you were voting for anyone either. Dumbasses right, left, and center. It doesn?t matter.

If not listening to scientists is rational, then yeah, let me not be rational. You just basically backtracked on your own statement in the same sentence lmao not really making any point bud.

>keeps telling me I?m wrong
>won?t cite sources
>argues against himself

Gee, I sure trust what you have to say

[zombiewolf513]

muh scientists

You know scientists disagree with each other more than they agree, right?

[KA24DESOneThree]

He understands the struggles people are going through when they contract it.

The rich(ish?) man who was flown to a hospital for a stay he didn't have to pay for after taking multiple tests your standard person can't afford while taking medicine your standard person can't get knows exactly what part of the struggle is real.

[S14rebuild]

i mean the president/leader of the free world shouldnt have access to the best medical treat the coutry has to offer...i mean fuck why stop there, he should fly coach class on a pond hopper, remove all oh his security detail and best yet give him a 89 single cam s13 to drive.

Wtf? EVER PRESIDENT BE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRATIC has/had access to the same treatment..it comes with the job...

Quit ur bitchn. If* sleepy joe became president and got the virus hed do the same dam thing.

Fukkkkkkkkkk

[kingkilburn]

Science as a while seeks understanding through verifiable and reproducible data. In areas where data is incomplete there is disagreement BUT the moment new information comes forward and is reproducible the disagreement stops.

There is no room for feelings or dogma in the pursuit of truth. Your misrepresentation of science shines like a lighthouse and any onlooker can see the bullshit.

[zombiewolf513]

>science doesnt have room for dogma REEEEE
>is political zealot

You invoke 'muh scientists' like how athiests envoke the name of Christ; dishonestly and with ZERO technical understanding. You think everthing in science is binary when in reality its a mess of interpretation. Shows how much you know. Well smart guy, if the virus is so new and deadly, and misunderstood with no data... wheres 'muh scientists' proof that panty masks work? Why did they flip flop on if panty masks work? What youre saying is basically 'the scientists ive heard say they think the dinosaurs died from an astroid, so its the unquestionable truth'. Scientists question 'truth'. If scientists stopped at 'the earth is flat' because someone said it was understood to be the truth, where would we be? You dont know shit. All running around like 'a scientist says masks reduce transmission. So science says every last person has to wear a mask at all times. And obviously you werent wearing a mask if you got infected, even though masks are "for saving everyone else"'. You keep referencing science for why evedyone needs to be on lockdown... but you still dont listen to the science saying COVID is statistically a bad cold.

[kingkilburn]

I'm the zealot? You're hilarious.

[S14rebuild]

Just gonna ....if masks save lives...why not have a mask mandate for rated masks..like n95? Why does a scar, bandanna, shirt around my face work? If its to say something is better then nothing....okay.

But if they really cared and wanted true safety make it so everyone needs to wear a rated surgeon mask or n95... just how i see it

[Corbic]

Just gonna ....if masks save lives...why not have a mask mandate for rated masks..like n95? Why does a scar, bandanna, shirt around my face work? If its to say something is better then nothing....okay.

But if they really cared and wanted true safety make it so everyone needs to wear a rated surgeon mask or n95... just how i see itWhy not mandate helmets for motorcycles, bicycles and skate boards?

Why a not ban candy and fast food?

Why not ban alcohol (drunk driving)?

All these actions will save lives.


I thought the left was all about saving the environment and population control? Should ing they be cheering that "200 Million Americans got it".????

[S14rebuild]

Why not mandate helmets for motorcycles, bicycles and skate boards?

Why a not ban candy and fast food?

Why not ban alcohol (drunk driving)?

All these actions will save lives.


I thought the left was all about saving the environment and population control? Should ing they be cheering that "200 Million Americans got it".????

I agree, i just dont get why if they wanna mandate it for the health and saftey of the people, go all in, not half assed.

[kingkilburn]

1. This information is readily available.
2. The virus is largely transported by droplets through the nose and mouth. Any covering that can catch those droplets prevents spread in both directions. Obviously a well fitting n95 without a valve does just about the best but even a chunk of t shirt is better than nothing.
3. The usps actually tried to send every single household n95 masks early on in the pandemic and Trump stopped them.
4. A national mask mandate would be excellent. You guys should ask Mitch McConnell about that. The president doesn't have the authority to institute it.

The shit is not rocket science, but people have to be willing to shut up and listen.

[kingkilburn]

1. This information is readily available.
2. The virus is largely transported by droplets through the nose and mouth. Any covering that can catch those droplets prevents spread in both directions. Obviously a well fitting n95 without a valve does just about the best but even a chunk of t shirt is better than nothing.
3. The usps actually tried to send every single household n95 masks early on in the pandemic and Trump stopped them.
4. A national mask mandate would be excellent. You guys should ask Mitch McConnell about that. The president doesn't have the authority to institute it.

The shit is not rocket science, but people have to be willing to shut up and listen.

[KA24DESOneThree]

i mean the president/leader of the free world shouldnt have access to the best medical treat the coutry has to offer...i mean fuck why stop there, he should fly coach class on a pond hopper, remove all oh his security detail and best yet give him a 89 single cam s13 to drive.

You misunderstand. Entirely. Again.

"He understands the struggles people are going through when they contract it."

My argument is that he cannot possibly understand all the struggles. Normal people have costs to worry about, jobs to worry about... he doesn't. To say he understands, and then for him to say what he said today, he obviously doesn't have a fucking clue. But here he is, pandering, pretending that he's just another guy who got sick and is "getting better." He sucks at being empathetic because he simply cannot generate empathy for us.

"Haha, I'm one of you guys. I know what it's like to work. I'm a business owner. I know a bunch of small business owners; I've only bankrupted a few by stiffing them. I'm one of you guys, I got sick, too. I ignored my quarantine, too."

Next you're going to tell me he's anti-establishment and didn't play the politics game.

Fuck, why stop there? Let's start an "S-Chassis Owners for Trump" and maybe he'll tell us why he loves the 240SX and he respected Nissan bigly for their stylistic acumen (oh fuck isn't that something they put in tacos?). We all know he'll pimp himself out for a tiny amount of votes.

For those of you who still don't understand science, there's no coming back. Your ignorance will be your reward. Consensus and peer-review create a system by which we can achieve the closest humans can come to fact- and there are people constantly testing and re-testing those facts to ensure they are actually provable. If we cannot believe those who operate at the highest level, should we never fly? Should we doubt the speed ratings on our tires, or our damping curves, or our data acquisition? How can any one of us be certain by ourselves if consensus is considered unreliable?

Don't you understand how fucking stupid the very premise of your argument is?

[LEG1T]

"Don't let it dominate you. Don't be afraid of it. You're going to beat it. We have the best medical equipment. We have the best medicines, all developed recently,"

Easy for someone to say that has access to the level of care that most Americans would never have access too.

Do you supporters not see something wrong with this?

Do you guys honestly thinks this send the right message by taking off your mask for a photo op as he did while clearly being infected fresh out of the hospital?

You were a mask to protect others, and a known infectant is public displaying pure recklessness by taking his mask off to release his particles in the air in the White House for all to see. Further minimizing and downplaying the virus.

Is this the message we want to spread with the world?

This man has shown such a lack of responsibility and basic human empathy it’s terrible.

He says he learned a great deal but hours later doubles down on the stupidity.

This man doesn’t care about America’s well being, he only cares about his public image and literally will do just about anything to make himself look good.

[LEG1T]

Also this man is weaponizing white supremacy and the proud boys.

And preparing them for Civil War. He knows who and what they are and plans on using them if needed for his benefit.

He honestly isn’t far from being just as bad as a North Korean dictator at this point.

He isn’t diplomatic and rather see civil warfare then a peaceful transition of power.

Be very wary of anyone that continues to support this man, he’s not too far off the lines from Hitler.

[zombiewolf513]

"Don't let it dominate you. Don't be afraid of it. You're going to beat it. We have the best medical equipment. We have the best medicines, all developed recently,"

Easy for someone to say that has access to the level of care that most Americans would never have access too.

Do you supporters not see something wrong with this?

I said almost that very same thing a couple weeks or months ago in the COVID thread. Err on the side of freedom. Don't bow to the terror. Having the entire populace cower behind tinfoil masks in fear is terror, and it doesnt end at the masks. Freedom.

[B]
You were a mask to protect others
Tell that to all your buddies making fun of him for getting COVID bc he wasnt wearing 'muh mask'


Is this the message we want to spread with the world?


Freedom. Shutting down the country is not caring for America's well being. Marching on regardless of the commie China virus is best for America's well being. Most everyone in the country that needs a medical procedure gets the procedure. Even illegal immigrants. America #1.

Here you have an old ass, overweight and out of shape, glutton using MacDonald's freedom fries and chicken nuggets steeped in Super Sized Cokes as MacChickenNoodleSoup IV's, walking out of the hospital no problem. COVID is and always was a big nothingburger tyrant commie scam to waste more of Trump's Presidency. America will not forget, nor be kind for, what you traitors are doing.


Also this man is weaponizing white supremacy and the proud boys.
And preparing them for Civil War. He knows who and what they are and plans on using them if needed for his benefit.
He honestly isn?t far from being just as bad as a North Korean dictator at this point.
He isn?t diplomatic and rather see civil warfare then a peaceful transition of power.
Be very wary of anyone that continues to support this man, he?s not too far off the lines from Hitler.

You mean when he denounced white supremacy?
Do you even know who the proud boys consists of? I'll give you a hint: non-whites and homosexuals. Not really the Nazi type. wtf are you even talking about? :tinhat:

[Future240]

Why not mandate helmets for motorcycles, bicycles and skate boards?

Why a not ban candy and fast food?

Why not ban alcohol (drunk driving)?

All these actions will save lives.

A lot of states actualy do have mandates for helmets on motorcyles.



While alcohol is not banned, technically drunk driving is.

The other things different from covid in one major way.

A person eating a bunch of fast food and candy and getting diabetes cannot inadvertently get someone else fat or give that person diabetes.

C19 however......

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/coronavirus-death-toll-maine-wedding-rises-5-over-175-infected-n1240138

[Corbic]

A lot of states actualy do have mandates for helmets on motorcyles.



While alcohol is not banned, technically drunk driving is.

The other things different from covid in one major way.

A person eating a bunch of fast food and candy and getting diabetes cannot inadvertently get someone else fat or give that person diabetes.

C19 however......

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/coronavirus-death-toll-maine-wedding-rises-5-over-175-infected-n1240138No one is forcing you to go out if you are afraid of the Commie Cough.

It's called self agency.

[Future240]

No one is forcing you to go out if you are afraid of the Commie Cough.

It's called self agency.

As usual you missed the point.

The link I provided shows 7 deaths from people who didn't go anywhere. People who went somewhere brought it back to them.

[SupaDoopa]

Let the shit run it's course, evolve into COVID-20 and then we can blame whoever is in power for not doing enough. Man, I hope y'all enjoy the flu because it's coming for you, brother.

https://i.cdn.newsbytesapp.com/images/l160_29501549522370.jpg

[Corbic]

As usual you missed the point.



The link I provided shows 7 deaths from people who didn't go anywhere. People who went somewhere brought it back to them.Go read your own stupid article.


So if only 50 people attended, they'd have been immune to the Kung Flu?

Those extra 15, people is what caused the needless murder of 7 innocent people?

[Future240]

Go read your own stupid article.


So if only 50 people attended, they'd have been immune to the Kung Flu?

Those extra 15, people is what caused the needless murder of 7 innocent people?

If there was a mandatory mask mandate (which was the original topic of discussion) for public gatherings, the chances of them catching the virus would have been dramatically lower. Likely preventing some if not all of these deaths.

[midnight zenki]

Here you have an old ass, overweight and out of shape, glutton using MacDonald's freedom fries and chicken nuggets steeped in Super Sized Cokes as MacChickenNoodleSoup IV's, walking out of the hospital no problem. COVID is and always was a big nothingburger tyrant commie scam to waste more of Trump's Presidency. America will not forget, nor be kind for, what you traitors are doing.

You forgot the part where the decrepit fat-ass got ungodly doses of experimental drugs along with the inaccessible levels of care for the average person because President.

[zombiewolf513]

.......and? You gonna follow that up with a counterpoint?

Otherwise, I didn't forget anything. I memed the shit out of your 'muh experimental drugs' and you basically just repeated what I said in a watered down form.

[Corbic]

If there was a mandatory mask mandate (which was the original topic of discussion) for public gatherings, the chances of them catching the virus would have been dramatically lower. Likely preventing some if not all of these deaths.Based on what?

If we just ban alcohol we'd save tens of thousands of lives each year!

[SupaDoopa]

Let's ban cars and make the streets safer for our weak, feeble, unvaccinated children to safely play with their recycled, green action figures and Barbie dolls.

[kingkilburn]

As predicted, when facts and rational thought are brought you'll reject it like a five year old eating their veggies. lol

[zombiewolf513]

You forgot the part where the decrepit fat-ass got ungodly doses of experimental drugs along with the inaccessible levels of care for the average person because President.

Member when everyone criticized Trump for the bleach joke?
Member when every major company censored the Heal Light?
Member when everyone said Trump and his doctors are crazy?
Member when everyone mocked and every major company censored the doctors that spoke out about COVID treatments?
Member how we were all made to wear fake masks for a year and no real masks or disposable gloves were available to the general public?

Not inaccessible levels of care because President. Inaccessible levels of care because the left is a bunch of insane terrorists.

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.291384431.0971/st,small,507x507-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.u5.jpg

[SupaDoopa]

As predicted, when facts and rational thought are brought you'll reject it like a five year old eating their veggies. lol

As you call us nazi's and racists in the same fashion. All is well.

[Future240]

Based on what?

If we just ban alcohol we'd save tens of thousands of lives each year!

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/diy-cloth-face-coverings.html

Inb4 Corbic or S14REbuild says how the cdc is bias/wrong/full of shit/untrutworthy etc.

Again missing the point.

I swear its like talking a kindergartener.

Alcohol is highly regulated and driving while intoxicated is already illegal. Further legislation would not help that.

Wearing masks will help keep from infecting other people. It is that simple.

Typical republican with all the "whataboutisms"

What I don't get is why are so many people making this a political thing. Masks are a minor inconvenience at best.

Two people in my network of friends and family has died from C19 one elderly one middle aged.

This should be a time when we as Americans ban together, get through this shit. Instead "omg the commie cough" "how dare I have to wear a mask muh rightzs!!!"

Maybe I should start a store with liberal tears masks.

[zombiewolf513]

Find me a filtration mask that's approved for all day use. Then fill me in on how that compares to your doily mask. You don't get it. It's political because its forced on us by politicians. you are making it political by criticizing those that have a problem with it being forced on us. Banning together and getting through shit means living life without worrying about the commie coof, not cowering like Joe Biden in his basement. How do you know that people that die bc of COVID got it because people arent wearing masks? and not bc they had a severe comorbidity(s)? or not bc they touched an infected door handle or toilet flusher???? Did you collect up DNA samples?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/ppe-strategy/decontamination-reuse-respirators.html

CDC doesn't even mention anything less than an N95 for even effective use.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article#tnF2


CDC said the fake masks stop NOTHING, bc everyone has shit hygiene anyway.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

Im just gonna leave this right here

CDC says COVID has statistically killed <10,000 out of our population of 360,000,000.

So howabouts those whatabouts?

[Corbic]

Doesn't fit the narrative.


We need to crash the economy and blame Trump so we can usher in a golden era of Fascist Socialism!

[SupaDoopa]

Fuck all this COVID talk. Did anyone see Hillary's nudes from her deleted e-mails? She out there lookin' like the California raisin.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3e/bf/37/3ebf376e654f780fe649fb354a3b2406.jpg

[deolio]

What about how we’re all just humans looking down at one another and arguing about some shit that doesn’t even matter in the least bit in the grand scheme of things. People want to feel safe what’s wrong with letting them? Regardless of it working or not, it doesn’t really matter.

What matters is remembering that the majority of Americans are unhappy with our political system. We argue about nuances and about the fuckin right and left legs of the same pair of soiled jeans. We should be figuring out ways to wash those jeans and make them fit and put a belt on so our asscrack isn’t hanging out with our muffin top spilling over the sides. Is that enough symbolism for you?

I think the majority of us can agree on
1. Lower taxes
2. Smaller government
3. More accountability
4. Less bullshit laws
5. The pursuit of happiness
6. Cars are cool

Fuck all the rest of the divisive bullshit.

[zombiewolf513]

Nobody is saying "Don't wear a mask if you want to wear a mask."

If I feel safe without one, then you shouldn't mind me not wearing one then.

...then stop being divisive.

She out there lookin' like the California raisin.


Hit me up wit dem noodz on duh back server muh dood

[Corbic]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/diy-cloth-face-coverings.html



Inb4 Corbic or S14REbuild says how the cdc is bias/wrong/full of shit/untrutworthy etc.



Again missing the point.



I swear its like talking a kindergartener.



Alcohol is highly regulated and driving while intoxicated is already illegal. Further legislation would not help that.



Wearing masks will help keep from infecting other people. It is that simple.



Typical republican with all the "whataboutisms"



What I don't get is why are so many people making this a political thing. Masks are a minor inconvenience at best.



Two people in my network of friends and family has died from C19 one elderly one middle aged.



This should be a time when we as Americans ban together, get through this shit. Instead "omg the commie cough" "how dare I have to wear a mask muh rightzs!!!"



Maybe I should start a store with liberal tears masks.

No, you are the one not getting it.

It's not "what about ism" it's a direct comparison to highlight how stupid your logic is.

You have no data showing crashing the economy and wearing knitted fashion masks have done jack shit.

You have a hypothesis that reducing air born moisture will reduce infection rates.

The problem is you now equate "reducing rate of infection" with stopping infection and defeating death.

That's not the intent. Intent was to "flatten the curve" and prevent medical shortages.

We did that, fucking 4 months ago.

As for alcohol, it's a comparison, not "what about ism"

We except that 10-15,000 people are killed each year by drunk drivers. We except hundreds are raped, accidently impregnated, beat up and hurt each year because of alcohol. We accept thousands get STDs and thousands more will die from alcohol related illnesses each year. Tens of thousands are likely obese because of over consumption of beer. Hundreds of thousands see relationships and families ruined.

But we shrug, shout "cheers" and chug another round.

At some point you'll have to realize thay destroying the economy, destroying families and small businesses, creating the largest wealth transfer from middle America to corporate America in the history of the country, oh and a 48% increase and suicide and drug overdose this year.

Yeah you fucking twats, more people have committed suicide this year because of the lock downs then have died of the Commie Cough.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/micaelaburrow/2020/07/28/redfield-says-more-abovebase-suicides-than-covid-deaths-n2573278


That's what happens when you fuck people out of their jobs, isolate them and cut them off from all social services and human interaction.

All so you can defeat fucking Orange Man Bad.

[Corbic]

I think the majority of us can agree on
1. Lower taxes
2. Smaller government
3. More accountability
4. Less bullshit laws
5. The pursuit of happiness
6. Cars are cool

Except that is literally the opposite of what the left wants.

[midnight zenki]

Member when everyone criticized Trump for the bleach joke?
Member when every major company censored the Heal Light?
Member when everyone said Trump and his doctors are crazy?
Member when everyone mocked and every major company censored the doctors that spoke out about COVID treatments?
Member how we were all made to wear fake masks for a year and no real masks or disposable gloves were available to the general public?

Not inaccessible levels of care because President. Inaccessible levels of care because the left is a bunch of insane terrorists.

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.291384431.0971/st,small,507x507-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.u5.jpg

Dude just relax on your My Pillow and swig back some of that good 'ol cleansing bleach. Shhhhhh, it'll all be over soon.

[deolio]

Nobody is saying "Don't wear a mask if you want to wear a mask."

If I feel safe without one, then you shouldn't mind me not wearing one then.

...then stop being divisive.

My point was, it?s not about you, it?s about other people...

It?s hardddddd! Being a divisive asshole and stirring the pot is fun

Except that is literally the opposite of what the left wants.

Is there a strong left contingent on here? No. Seems mostly Republican and Libertarian, or at least the people who comment the most seem to be.

TBH I haven?t seen the right or the left really saying jack shit for how they?re going to ?fix this country? or ?make it great again? - just a bunch of finger pointing and screaming ?NOT HIM!? (Which I am equally guilty of)

How do fix????

[zombiewolf513]

You have a hypothesis that reducing air born moisture will reduce infection rates.


It's funny how the left-wing bars here all force you to wear a mask then seat you out by the foot traffic and spray you with water misters. If you don't comply with wearing a mask on your way to your petri table, they physically remove you which is also somehow magically sterile.

Except that is literally the opposite of what the left wants.

Also funny how they hold United States unity/nationalistic/conservative values, but vote for, preach and tyrannically enforce liberal/globalist/communist values.

They want to censor and shut down anything thats inconvenient, but all theyre doing is enslaving themselves to their position. Hence the absolutely insane doubling down on doubling down they're doing. What a timeline.

Anus BTFO, Cope posting

Also anus BTFO, Cope posting

[kingkilburn]

Tyrannically mind your own business. The great battle cry of dastardly left!

[zombiewolf513]

>forcing everyone to shut down, cower at home, and wear a mask
>minding your own business.

Not tyrannical at all.

>in b4
Triforce Anus BTFO, Cope posting

[deolio]

Funny how any time I ask a real question people just deflect.


Also, I found this too hypocritical no to bring in here lol
Arizona laws are pretty great, actually. Only things I disagree with is how any amount of recreational weed possession is a felony and abortion is legal.
Doesn't want to be told to wear a mask, but wants to tell women what to do with their bodies :facepalm:

que: tHaT's a fALsE EqUivaLeNcE

[zombiewolf513]

"Muh polease killings. Muh covid death rate. But killing babies is a womans right" type of hypocrisy?

How about the hypocrisy of killing a baby bc inconvenience but REEEE WEAR AN ADMITTEDLY FAKE MASK BC VIRTUE SINGAL ITS JUST AN INCONVENIENCE REEEEE

Were coming for your little abortion ritual. Get used to the idea.

Want to make America great? Tell your political leadership to GTFO of our way, stop "resisting"

[S14rebuild]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/diy-cloth-face-coverings.html

Inb4 Corbic or S14REbuild says how the cdc is bias/wrong/full of shit/untrutworthy etc.

Again missing the point.

I swear its like talking a kindergartener.

Alcohol is highly regulated and driving while intoxicated is already illegal. Further legislation would not help that.

Wearing masks will help keep from infecting other people. It is that simple.

Typical republican with all the "whataboutisms"

What I don't get is why are so many people making this a political thing. Masks are a minor inconvenience at best.

Two people in my network of friends and family has died from C19 one elderly one middle aged.

This should be a time when we as Americans ban together, get through this shit. Instead "omg the commie cough" "how dare I have to wear a mask muh rightzs!!!"

Maybe I should start a store with liberal tears masks.


Wowowowow....never said shit qbout the cdc....


But im glad im on ur mind sweetheart.


My statement was...... either mandate a n95 mask law or shove it.

Putn a bandana or hanky across my mouth n nose to keep me safe is bullshit. Everyone should agree on that.


Commie cough lol. I like sweet n sour sniffles better

[deolio]

"Muh polease killings. Muh covid death rate. But killing babies is a womans right" type of hypocrisy?

No, but you nailed the false equivalency part...

Want to make America great? Tell your political leadership to GTFO of our way, stop "resisting"

No thanks. Libertarians actually want to make America BETTER, not just "great again". If you want any and all opposition to get out of your way, head on over to your buddy Putin or Jinping's house.

[Corbic]

No, but you nailed the false equivalency part...







No thanks. Libertarians actually want to make America BETTER, not just "great again". If you want any and all opposition to get out of your way, head on over to your buddy Putin or Jinping's house.A Libertarian that supports mandatory masks and shutting businesses down..

Ohhhhh kayyyyyyy

[Future240]

Wowowowow....never said shit qbout the cdc....


But im glad im on ur mind sweetheart.

For sure boo :wavey:

My statement was...... either mandate a n95 mask law or shove it.

a bandana or hanky across my mouth n nose to keep me safe is bullshit. Everyone should agree on that.

Commie cough lol. I like sweet n sour sniffles better

I prefer the wuhan bat flu. Though credit goes to Corbic for the commie cough.

See people this is how we make progress. Even though it is suggested regular face coverings can help (https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449). I would actually agree with a n95 mandate.

Let's be senators lol. I got GA. Need to make MJ legal here anyways.

[deolio]

A Libertarian that supports mandatory masks and shutting businesses down..

Ohhhhh kayyyyyyy

False. I support masks and shutting down at the discretion of the individual an the business owner. It's more of a common courtesy issue than a political one to me since I'm not drinking the "it's all a hoax" cool-aid.


Ya'll got anything real to offer yet?

[S14rebuild]

For sure boo :wavey:



I prefer the wuhan bat flu. Though credit goes to Corbic for the commie cough.

See people this is how we make progress. Even though it is suggested regular face coverings can help (https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449). I would actually agree with a n95 mandate.

Let's be senators lol. I got GA. Need to make MJ legal here anyways.

How u gonna smoke pot with a mask on? Hmmm n95 hemp mask for the win!

[Future240]

How u gonna smoke pot with a mask on? Hmmm n95 hemp mask for the win!

Edibles are your friend.

[kingkilburn]

I'm libertarian and I support you keeping your goddam germs to yourself. I mind my own business right up until you make your business my business. You idiots using liberty as s shield are why we ended up with mandates in the first place. The vast majority of the human population has understood enough of germ theory to figure it out. You fuckin MuhFreedums conservatives are literally the only major population dragging your feet.

[Future240]

How u gonna smoke pot with a mask on? Hmmm n95 hemp mask for the win!

Edibles are your friend.

2nd?d on hemp N95?s!

[S14rebuild]

Edibles are your friend.

2nd?d on hemp N95?s!


Im a cbd kinda guy..... havent been into weed since the 8th grade lol

[Future240]

Im a cbd kinda guy..... havent been into weed since the 8th grade lol

How is that?

Heard a lot about it but don?t buy into the hype.

Seems like it would be good for pain.

[S14rebuild]

How is that?

Heard a lot about it but don?t buy into the hype.

Seems like it would be good for pain.

my back is fuckd, and i can vouch for it. Mechanic by trade, it gets me thru the day

[deolio]

Seems like it would be good for pain.

Idk if it has somewhat of a placebo effect or what, but I put some CBD cream my mom's hippie friend made on my neck when I pinched a nerve and it made it feel way better.

[KA24DESOneThree]

TBH I haven?t seen the right or the left really saying jack shit for how they?re going to ?fix this country? or ?make it great again? - just a bunch of finger pointing and screaming ?NOT HIM!? (Which I am equally guilty of)

How do fix????

I cannot wait for a candidate to present pages upon pages of actual fixes.

Instead we get vague bullshit.

All I want is for verified troll farm propaganda to get a 'BS' tag on Facebook, although I fear Corbic would lose his meme source.

[Corbic]

I cannot wait for a candidate to present pages upon pages of actual fixes.



Instead we get vague bullshit.



All I want is for verified troll farm propaganda to get a 'BS' tag on Facebook, although I fear Corbic would lose his meme source.I don't use Facebook. But glad you support censorship. How dare we have diversity of thought.

[Corbic]

Alright gents.

Shut it down. The internet has reached perfection. It won't get any better. Well done, thank you all.

And as always, the Left Can't Meme.

https://mobile.twitter.com/mad_liberals/status/1303892205904560128




As a side note, while the left thinks of themselves as the creatives, I've not seen that level of brilliance from Hollywood or Comedy TV in over 20 years.

[Future240]

my back is fuckd, and i can vouch for it. Mechanic by trade, it gets me thru the day

Word? I need to try this then. I am on a very strenuous workout plan and spend a lot of time fighting soreness and pain.

CBD is legal so got a link to what you use?


Alright gents.

Shut it down. The internet has reached perfection. It won't get any better. Well done, thank you all.

And as always, the Left Can't Meme.

https://mobile.twitter.com/mad_liberals/status/1303892205904560128




As a side note, while the left thinks of themselves as the creatives, I've not seen that level of brilliance from Hollywood or Comedy TV in over 20 years.


Not going to lie, that was funny af.

I HOPE the potus tweets whats going on .

[kingkilburn]

Broke the fuck out of my hand last year and had three rods in it for a few weeks. Weed was like torture.

For normal for me knee pain it's great and lets me sleep.

[S14rebuild]

Word? I need to try this then. I am on a very strenuous workout plan and spend a lot of time fighting soreness and pain.

CBD is legal so got a link to what you use? .

https://cbdfx.com

I use the cream, and also vape like a kool hipster.

[Bluejayde]

As for alcohol, it's a comparison, not "what about ism"

We except that 10-15,000 people are killed each year by drunk drivers. We except hundreds are raped, accidently impregnated, beat up and hurt each year because of alcohol. We accept thousands get STDs and thousands more will die from alcohol related illnesses each year. Tens of thousands are likely obese because of over consumption of beer. Hundreds of thousands see relationships and families ruined.

But we shrug, shout "cheers" and chug another round.



Whoa, whoa, whoa, those aren't really deaths from alcohol, the liberalcommie coroners just want you to believe that because they'll get more funding.

LESS THAN 1% OF DEATHS ARE ACTUALLY CAUSED BY ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION!!!!

Those deaths are caused by comorbidities. Fvckin sheep.

[Future240]

Thoughts?

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-dni-john-ratcliffe-declassifies-russia-documents-2020-10

[Future240]

Thoughts?

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-dni-john-ratcliffe-declassifies-russia-documents-2020-10

[Corbic]

Thoughts?

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-dni-john-ratcliffe-declassifies-russia-documents-2020-10Love the leftist political spin on this one.

[SupaDoopa]

How is that?

Heard a lot about it but don?t buy into the hype.

Seems like it would be good for pain.

Not to turn this into a 'weed' thread but I don't an immediate disclosure is I smoke weed at all. Never got into it. Not because I think it's stupid and people who smoke are shitbags but because I'm a pussy and coughing is unenjoyable for me and doing all sorts of weird glasswork with ice and shit doesn't appeal to me. I'm a simple kind of guy.

However, I've started cooking with it as an alternative. I did some online research and talked to a few friends and fusing it with a fatty oil-based product [butter works wonders] is simple work. My state has legal recreational use although having PTSD/TBI and a slew of other deployment-connected issues, I have a card [still irrelevant in my state]. I have obvious issues sleeping/staying asleep and due to a nice 7.62 round wound to my leg, I have some pain issues especially when overworking my leg. Once every couple of weeks, I spend around $100 at a dispensary and get what I need in flower form. I then decarboxylate it in a mason jar in the oven [odorless, idiot proof]. Once that's done, I pour the ground flower into butter, cook it for an hour at a low temperature [usually put the saucepan in the oven] and then pull it out and strain it. Once that's done, boom. I make a batch of regular ass peanut butter cookies substituting the butter with the now enfused butter and that's in. I usually do a batch that yields 24 cookies. This is a supply for 12-14 days depending how many I take and if the wife wants one to get fucked up and play Crash Bandicoot.

For those who need the pain relief and have legit issues, this is 100% what I recommend. I've taken meds, done the doctors visits and shit and nothing really helps. It will 100% fuck you up too if you use my little formula and strain choices but you're not a useless piece of shit. I sometimes make 2 batches - 1 for daytime use and 1 for bedtime. Difference is strains and such.

If anyone is further interested, maybe we can create our own LOUD NOISES thread because I assume it'll end up there. I've considered growing too to lower my costs further.

/end rant.

[Future240]

Good point. A competing source

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dni-brennan-notes-cia-memo-clinton

a super right one
https://nypost.com/2020/10/06/spy-chief-releases-docs-on-claim-hillary-clinton-cooked-up-russia-scandal/

super left one
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-intel-chief-unveils-russian-disinformation-about-hillary-clinton_n_5f74a7e6c5b6374c5587edaf

[KA24DESOneThree]

https://mobile.twitter.com/mad_liberals/status/1303892205904560128

As a side note, while the left thinks of themselves as the creatives, I've not seen that level of brilliance from Hollywood or Comedy TV in over 20 years.

All they did was put Trump's face and related text onto a meme that's existed since 2005. This video was upload in 2009, the original was uploaded in 2006, the 2005 version was first uploaded to the SomethingAwful forums: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32FB-gYr49Y

"Look how great we are, we can rehash things!" Typical Hollywood Republicans.

Also Corbic, I don't support censorship. I support a little tag that lets everyone know the source of their memes is a foreign troll farm spreading disinformation faster than it can be dispelled.

[Future240]

Not to turn this into a 'weed' thread but I don't an immediate disclosure is I smoke weed at all. Never got into it. Not because I think it's stupid and people who smoke are shitbags but because I'm a pussy and coughing is unenjoyable for me and doing all sorts of weird glasswork with ice and shit doesn't appeal to me. I'm a simple kind of guy.

However, I've started cooking with it as an alternative. I did some online research and talked to a few friends and fusing it with a fatty oil-based product [butter works wonders] is simple work. My state has legal recreational use although having PTSD/TBI and a slew of other deployment-connected issues, I have a card [still irrelevant in my state]. I have obvious issues sleeping/staying asleep and due to a nice 7.62 round wound to my leg, I have some pain issues especially when overworking my leg. Once every couple of weeks, I spend around $100 at a dispensary and get what I need in flower form. I then decarboxylate it in a mason jar in the oven [odorless, idiot proof]. Once that's done, I pour the ground flower into butter, cook it for an hour at a low temperature [usually put the saucepan in the oven] and then pull it out and strain it. Once that's done, boom. I make a batch of regular ass peanut butter cookies substituting the butter with the now enfused butter and that's in. I usually do a batch that yields 24 cookies. This is a supply for 12-14 days depending how many I take and if the wife wants one to get fucked up and play Crash Bandicoot.

For those who need the pain relief and have legit issues, this is 100% what I recommend. I've taken meds, done the doctors visits and shit and nothing really helps. It will 100% fuck you up too if you use my little formula and strain choices but you're not a useless piece of shit. I sometimes make 2 batches - 1 for daytime use and 1 for bedtime. Difference is strains and such.

If anyone is further interested, maybe we can create our own LOUD NOISES thread because I assume it'll end up there. I've considered growing too to lower my costs further.

/end rant.


https://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=275281&page=6

[SupaDoopa]

https://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=275281&page=6

I feel like that's too pinpointed at just the legalization. I made another for edibles and the processes involved in that. If it's not cool, just delete it. Doesn't matter and I won't take it personal.

[SimpleS14]

Thoughts?

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-dni-john-ratcliffe-declassifies-russia-documents-2020-10

I'm not surprised he would do this, but it's not going to move the needle in anyway. IMO, this is because confidence in the intel community was already eroded before he took the helm as DNI. I also would not be surprised if we see something similar from BIll Barr in the coming weeks.

[Corbic]

All they did was put Trump's face and related text onto a meme that's existed since 2005. This video was upload in 2009, the original was uploaded in 2006, the 2005 version was first uploaded to the SomethingAwful forums: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32FB-gYr49Y



"Look how great we are, we can rehash things!" Typical Hollywood Republicans.



Also Corbic, I don't support censorship. I support a little tag that lets everyone know the source of their memes is a foreign troll farm spreading disinformation faster than it can be dispelled.Oh the butt hurt.

#leftcantmeme

[kingkilburn]

Love the leftist political spin on this one.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4698442/user-clip-reality-liberal-bias

[kingkilburn]

How about them Rasmussen poll numbers.

[zombiewolf513]

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4698442/user-clip-reality-liberal-bias

How about them Rasmussen poll numbers.

https://i.imgflip.com/46zggh.jpg

[KA24DESOneThree]

Oh the butt hurt.

#leftcantmeme

No butt hurt. No butt hurt. You're butt hurt.

You're thinking something's fresh and new and it turns out you're just behind the curve. It's kinda cute, watching another life form evolve before my eyes.

Bring it in. :hug:

[SupaDoopa]

This shit got really stupid real fast.

[kingkilburn]

This shit has BEEN stupid.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Fuck all this COVID talk. Did anyone see Hillary's nudes from her deleted e-mails? She out there lookin' like the California raisin.

I apologize for not staying on-topic.

It's really hard to not be stupid when you're dealing with this election between two old white dudes, one of whom is senile and the other one still figuring out how to put sentences together. Then you have to deal with the fact that each set of supporters is heavily entrenched and completely and totally unwilling to work with the other. Then you have to deal with the fact that no matter who wins, there is zero guarantee that the United States is going to end up better at the end of four years and is rather the worry that the United States is going to end up significantly worse, both in terms of partisan bickering and in terms of all vital metrics.

To anyone who actually wants a better place to live, this election fucking sucks, man. So I'd rather needle Corbic about his meme addiction than confront any actual issues because they don't matter, won't matter, and the world will be a worse place after four years of whichever 6' or 6'2" stack of shit occupies the Oval Office. People on the other side will be more entrenched, will be less likely to vote for third parties, and we'll get another properly stupid pair of candidates in 2024 to pull our puds to.

*feeling nihilistic right now, might delete later*

[zombiewolf513]

Youve got Joe Biden over here trying to peep little girls dancing for him, blaming Trump for the economic downturn while demanding a total shut down.

Youve got Nancy Pelosi in chinatown saying "theres nothing to fear!" Just to turn around and blame Trump for 'how bad covid is" then not wear a mask at her SF salon, then turn qround and bitch that Trump took his mask off on the Whitehouse balcony.

This is what real leadership looks like, amirite?

[deolio]

*feeling nihilistic right now, might delete later*

LMAO hard not to be, especially when the people supposedly with the power (the citizens) won't admit that the system is broken and use their vote to make an actual difference.

This is what real leadership looks like, amirite?

Apparently. Being a hypocrite is a way of life these days. If you look close enough, you can find conflicting opinions and ideas in anyone.

People are either:
A. dumb and bad at keeping their story straight
B. beings of change
C. all of the above and have no idea what the fuck they're doing, but are trying

I'd go with C.

[kingkilburn]

If some of these Senate seats go the way they're looking we're going to be in a very different place four years from now. The Democrats are going to have to do right by leftists or see serious challenges to entrenched power then.

[KA24DESOneThree]

I'm C. You should see me woodworking, it's a sight to behold. I can now count to nine and a half.

Neither of my senators represents almost any of my beliefs. Each senator has 19.756 million people to report to.

Hell, I don't even have representation in the House- my rep is in prison. That's 730k people without a vote in the House from January 2020 through January 2021. There's a statement about representation that was first used in the mid-1760s, but I can't put my finger on it.

[zombiewolf513]

>in b4 the god emperor's freshly minted, 24k gold antibodies from his bone marrow are used to create the perfect commie-virus antigens necessary for a successful vaccine

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313959702104023047?s=20

[S14rebuild]

If some of these Senate seats go the way they're looking we're going to be in a very different place four years from now. The Democrats are going to have to do right by leftists or see serious challenges to entrenched power then.

Well if u want the dems to do right by "the leftist" this country will burn and war will happen. What they are asking for is way to far.... its just the truth. They choose poorly to grasp what ever votes they can and opened the party to radicals. Its a shame.....

[dbeiler]

Well, well, well.....

Have Biden's recent actions pushed his voters into "undecided" territory, or were they not so "undecided" after all?

NBC uses MSNBC-identified Biden supporters as 'undecided' for townhall

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nbc-uses-msnbc-identified-biden-supporters-as-undecided-for-townhall/ar-BB19NqmU?ocid=msedgntp

[kingkilburn]

Well if u want the dems to do right by "the leftist" this country will burn and war will happen. What they are asking for is way to far.... its just the truth. They choose poorly to grasp what ever votes they can and opened the party to radicals. Its a shame.....

Please. You don't even know what any of that means. lol

[zombiewolf513]

Please. You don't even know what any of that means. lol

https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1314025827496087552

these home and business owners do.

[LEG1T]

On that ass.

https://img2.thelist.com/img/gallery/did-a-fly-get-stuck-in-mike-pences-hair-during-the-debate/the-fly-became-a-social-media-darling-almost-immediately-1602125231.jpg

[deolio]

I just realized all you have to do to be president these is have dank memes

[S14rebuild]

On that ass.

https://img2.thelist.com/img/gallery/did-a-fly-get-stuck-in-mike-pences-hair-during-the-debate/the-fly-became-a-social-media-darling-almost-immediately-1602125231.jpg



Theres the left, the right...and fuckn retards that watch a fly..... seems like more people have down syndrome these days... covid side effect?who knows

[KA24DESOneThree]

I just realized all you have to do to be president these is have dank memes

The Trump campaign literally had a "memetics" expert employed for their 2016 bid because they know the power of stupid fucking pictures. They probably have several in their employ currently.

Who cares if it's a lie? It's funny!

They're easily packaged, easily shared, easily liked, easily scrolled through, and require almost zero brain power to digest.

The best part is that they're stupid fucking pictures. How do you argue against a stupid fucking picture without making it sound like you're blowing everything out of proportion? You're too serious. You use big words that make it sound like you're talking down to people. #leftcantmeme

These people take pride in the fact that they'd never watch Family Guy or The Simpsons or South Park and yet there they are consuming media that is far less intelligent.

[zombiewolf513]

this is quickly devolving into the definitive "the left can't meme thread" of zilvia

https://i.ibb.co/w4vV7qJ/joeflyden.jpg

[SupaDoopa]

Harris obviously has no political intelligence. Her tactic was to shit talk and in my opinion it failed. It made them look like their only angle was to make the Trump administration look bad while not really providing any insight on how they'd make it better. That's pretty shit.

[S14rebuild]

Harris obviously has no political intelligence. Her tactic was to shit talk and in my opinion it failed. It made them look like their only angle was to make the Trump administration look bad while not really providing any insight on how they'd make it better. That's pretty shit.


Shes always been a bully..... from her job position to politics...

[zombiewolf513]

Killed her with kindness
https://i.ibb.co/sHqV116/electricpence.png

[KA24DESOneThree]

Both candidates dodged questions. Both backtracked and dodged, or just plain dodged.

Dems need to come out and say, "yes, we plan on packing the SC." Everyone knows it. Address it and move the fuck on.

Republicans need to come out and say, "yes, we hate Roe v Wade and hate abortion and will take steps to change current laws." That will open up the debate to how they plan on reducing unwanted pregnancies if laws ban advanced sex ed and reduce access to contraceptives.

It was a boring, shitty debate but was far, far better than the presidential debate, mainly because the presidential debate was anything but presidential.

[ronmcdon]

presidential debate has had to be the worst ever. at times it was so bad it was good. was rooting for a fistfight 15 mins in

[Corbic]

Harris obviously has no political intelligence. Her tactic was to shit talk and in my opinion it failed. It made them look like their only angle was to make the Trump administration look bad while not really providing any insight on how they'd make it better. That's pretty shit.There not planning to make anything better.

It's all about returning to Status Que.

Both Harris and Biden have made long political careers off maintaining the status que, giving lip service and doing jack shit but covering their own asses.

You really think either give a shit about Police Reform?

Biden wrote and sponsored the 1992 Federal Law Enforcement bill and Harris has padded her career with brutal treatment of low level drug offenses.

Did Obama shutdown Gitmo or end the wars in the middle east? Did Obama and Pelosi end the Patriot Act and do away with our fucked up hybrid health insurance model? Did Obama pardon Snowden or Assage?

No, it was more of same shit.

Trump is legitimately the closest thing to a Libertarian and most progressive president we've had, and that's why the "Reee" Volume is turned to 11.

As for Roe Vs. Wade, the more pragmatic/agnostic Conservative's problem with the ruling isn't Abortion, but the basis for legalization of abortion. Even your new found savior RBG said she didn't agree with it in anything other than the ends justify the means.

We all realize Abortion isn't going anywhere, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be regulated, standardized and defined.

Also, as a side note, it's 20 fucking 20. How the fuck are people still getting accidently pregnant?

Condemns, Free Birth Control, Over the Counter Plan B... Etc

Additionally make birth control has been proven out for 30 years but the FDA won't approve its sale because of the fear people will stop using condemns and STDs will skyrocket.

[kingkilburn]

Of course the Democrats are going to pack the supreme court. Play to win, it's been the republican battle cry for 50 plus years. If you can't win play dirty, if you can't play dirty cheat, if you can't cheat cheat bigger. They literally crippled the federal system to maintain their power.

Of course pack the courts. Fucking hell.

[kingkilburn]

McConnell has packed the courts so hard they've run out of credible conservative judges to pull from. We've got federal judges that have never litigated in court let alone presided competently.

[S14rebuild]

Watchn nancy on the podium is halirous, shes scared of trump. That old cunt needs to go. If she was a horse they put her down already.

[zombiewolf513]

Trump is legitimately the closest thing to a Libertarian and most progressive president we've had, and that's why the "Reee" Volume is turned to 11.


Bingo.

Of course the Democrats are going to pack the supreme court. Play to win, it's been the republican battle cry for 50 plus years. If you can't win play dirty, if you can't play dirty cheat, if you can't cheat cheat bigger. They literally crippled the federal system to maintain their power.

Of course pack the courts. Fucking hell.

Was that cathartic? Hows your cognitive dissonance feeling? intact?

[KA24DESOneThree]

In no world is Trump a libertarian, either small 'l' or big 'L'. He does not meet any standard of its meaning and the world is a worse place for people actually believing he does.

I, too, wish words could be twisted to mean what they don't.

[kingkilburn]

What cognitive dissonance? Republicans set the stage then complain if Democrats play by the same rules. No reason to shy away from it anymore. There's no such thing as a moral victory in politics.

[Corbic]

McConnell has packed the courts so hard they've run out of credible conservative judges to pull from. We've got federal judges that have never litigated in court let alone presided competently.So you agree he's doing a good job?

By definition a judge is supposed to be conservative. It is not their job to write law and policy. It's not thier job to drive cultural change.

[Corbic]

What cognitive dissonance? Republicans set the stage then complain if Democrats play by the same rules. No reason to shy away from it anymore. There's no such thing as a moral victory in politics.Translation :
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201008/dff6c8425ff0b271302ecf2789560ddd.jpg

Don't you have a statue to tear down?

[kingkilburn]

McConnell is by any measure the best living politician. He's still a disgusting piece of shit regardless of political affiliation.

I'm not getting into semantics with you and your trash argument. These people have no business in court and the American Bar Association agrees.

[Corbic]

In no world is Trump a libertarian, either small 'l' or big 'L'. He does not meet any standard of its meaning and the world is a worse place for people actually believing he does.

I, too, wish words could be twisted to mean what they don't.Oh, and what "standard" is that mister "I'm a Libertarian but want mandated government housing"

[KA24DESOneThree]

Oh, and what "standard" is that mister "I'm a Libertarian but want mandated government housing"

Corbic, you really need to check your prescription. I never once said that. Go back through my posts, I'll wait here patiently while you find out you're wrong as hell. You hear what you want to hear, which is apparently the sound of blood rushing to your head because someone was librul on your watch.

Look up the definitions. Read the platform of the Libertarian Party. I'm not feeding your cherry-pickin' ass any information. I'm not a fucking librarian. Read it or don't, it's not like it will change your ignorance.

[Corbic]

Corbic, you really need to check your prescription. I never once said that. Go back through my posts, I'll wait here patiently while you find out you're wrong as hell. You hear what you want to hear, which is apparently the sound of blood rushing to your head because someone was librul on your watch.

Sounds like you supporting to dismantling the suburbs and American dream to me....


I've said this before, but here's the problem I have with California: it always chooses the most politically simple way to greener policy.

What's the best way to reduce emissions and increase state revenue? Move the workers to the work. Build high-density, low-income housing in employment centers. Reduce the necessity of cars in daily life. Increased concentration of people equals increased ridership of public transport, which means increased possibility of break-even or profitability. Modern construction means more efficient energy usage.

Ownership of the average car costs $0.619 per mile, using BTS numbers (https://www.bts.gov/content/average-cost-owning-and-operating-automobile) for 2019. A low-income family with two jobs, two cars, and a commute may be spending upwards of $10k per year on automotive expenses- but if they live near their job and have reliable public transport, that money (minus the cost of public transportation) could be going into savings, towards healthcare, or into the local economy.

The only real problems are that we would have to admit that the American Dream is dead for some members of society (edit: although allowing low-income families to reduce their yearly costs may actually make it easier to own a home), and we would have to deal with lawsuits from the wealthy who are pissed their Hollywood Hills houses no longer have an ocean view.

Byproduct: houses get cheaper to the point that eminent domain might actually be viable to create public transport corridors that break-even. (Second edit: I fucking hate eminent domain but I fucking hate the shortsighted motherfuckers who laid out the state more.)




Look up the definitions. Read the platform of the Libertarian Party. I'm not feeding your cherry-pickin' ass any information. I'm not a fucking librarian. Read it or don't, it's not like it will change your ignorance.


More deflection.

[kingkilburn]

I'll say it in plain English for you.

Fuck the suburbs and fuck the American dream. Fucking deserts with the sand and rocks replaced by shitty houses and roads and cars people only need because of suburbs. The suburbs only exists because of redlining and corrupt city planning/development.

You don't need to straw man and dog whistle about the suburbs. You can talk actual policy, history, and civil engineering... But that requires knowing what the fuck you're talking about.

[kingkilburn]

I love how you think I'm some screeching soft sjw because I'm left of center and in california. I'm a 240 pound truck driver in goddam Fresno not a flower arranger in gentrified oakland.

Your worldview is so stilted and skewed it leaves you entirely unable to communicate outside of tired memes you don't understand in the first place.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Sounds like you supporting to dismantling the suburbs and American dream to me....

That's not your argument. Your argument is that I "want mandated government housing." You don't get to move the goalposts every time you forget how to read.

I specifically said the following: "That's not what I'm advocating. I'm advocating for zoning laws to be heavily relaxed and for a developer to get a tax break (aren't they called stimulus?) to build housing."

This is why I'm not going to go through the effort of trying to teach you anything- because you will instantly move the goalposts and say "nuh uh, this is what I was saying." You have no interest in being correct, you only have an interest in drawing out whatever it is until whoever you're arguing with loses interest and you get to move onto some other inane fucking talking point that you read on Patriot Post.

Fucking potato.

[Corbic]

That's not your argument. Your argument is that I "want mandated government housing." You don't get to move the goalposts every time you forget how to read.



I specifically said the following: "That's not what I'm advocating. I'm advocating for zoning laws to be heavily relaxed and for a developer to get a tax break (aren't they called stimulus?) to build housing."



This is why I'm not going to go through the effort of trying to teach you anything- because you will instantly move the goalposts and say "nuh uh, this is what I was saying." You have no interest in being correct, you only have an interest in drawing out whatever it is until whoever you're arguing with loses interest and you get to move onto some other inane fucking talking point that you read on Patriot Post.



Fucking potato.

Except naw bruh. I SEE want your are typing but I "UNDERSTAND" what you are meaning.

You can dress it up however you want but your end goal is to eliminate personnel transportation and heard everyone into dense high-rise living conditions.

You'll use arguments of environmental protection, equality, efficiency, etc.

You are trying to make it a "Libertarian" argument by saying your relaxing regulations (zoning) and supporting businesses (subsidizing construction). Then when people's property values crash you'll use eminent domain to "free market aquire" their homes for more planned development.

That's simply Socialist Bullshit. Your fucking over people rights to private property to pander to those without property while helping increase the wealth gap with crony construction contracts.

By rezoning you are trying to strip people of their property protection and wealth. You're then giving our tax money to wealth investment development groups, much of which are owned by the Chinese today. Your plan is a massive wealth consolidation and step towards collectivism.

Corbic's idea of a nice home:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201009/9d7551183aed36987982267978f0ac72.jpg

And your proposal....

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201009/0229b423a077628e74230a92bf7ce6b7.jpg

[S14rebuild]

Really hopen for another debate....

My thoughts...
I get trump not wanting to debate virtual. Thats just foolish. Easy to lose connection, mute mics or screen.

Should be simple..test 48hr before if negative do it in the town hall. If postive his choice if he would like to attend it virtual.

One of the main reasons i even invested posts in this thread was for my strong belief in the 2nd amendment. I do beleve that is an important topic that should be brought up and debated.

Even durning trump 2nd amendment has been attached..ban of bump stocks and now the ATF is going after pistol braces. This i hope TRUMP steps up and sets the atf in their place.

I would love to hear directly whats bidens idea of 2nd amendment rights and freedoms are. Will he just back pedal like his fracking statements? Cause biden and harris are on tape/video directly sayn they will pull ar15s and "assault weapons" from US citizens

[zombiewolf513]

You're right. I pulled a single line out of a 517-word paragraph in the bottom third of the work because I didn't read it.

Anyone, not going full potato on their big brothers account, read this? https://www.ushistory.org/paine/crisis/c-01.htm - The Crisis by Thomas Paine; Dec 23, 1776

potato

Don't use that word. That's our word. :mepoke:

[deolio]

2nd amendment rights

They're all moot if we can't own armed tanks, fighter jets, submarines, and fully stocked missile silos. Bump stocks and ar-15's aren't shit to people in power but a tool to divide us peasants.

[zombiewolf513]

They're all moot if we can't own armed tanks, fighter jets, submarines, and fully stocked missile silos. Bump stocks and ar-15's aren't shit to people in power but a tool to divide us peasants.

Something we kind of agree on. Bin the NFA. If you can afford to defend yourself in a tank, cool. If you run people over in a tank then the cops should shoot you with an air-to-surface missile :trogdor:

[kingkilburn]

The founders fully intended us to have cannons and organize our own local fighting forces. It's clear that a certain segment doesn't appreciate a certain demographic of the population being well armed and organized, and another segment doesn't like anyone being well armed and organized.

[S14rebuild]

Cannons?, segments?...hmmmm

[kingkilburn]

Y'all got some ideas about leftists that are fear mongering bullshit to keep you engaged by the republican party and neocons. Neocons and neoliberals can both get fucked.

Imagine what changes in federal legislation when leftists and libertarian conservatives can agree than current gun control is bullshit and neither group cares for how "their party" is handling it.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Except naw bruh. I SEE want your are typing but I "UNDERSTAND" what you are meaning.

You can dress it up however you want but your end goal is to eliminate personnel transportation and heard everyone into dense high-rise living conditions.

You'll use arguments of environmental protection, equality, efficiency, etc.

You are trying to make it a "Libertarian" argument by saying your relaxing regulations (zoning) and supporting businesses (subsidizing construction). Then when people's property values crash you'll use eminent domain to "free market aquire" their homes for more planned development.

That's simply Socialist Bullshit. Your fucking over people rights to private property to pander to those without property while helping increase the wealth gap with crony construction contracts.

By rezoning you are trying to strip people of their property protection and wealth. You're then giving our tax money to wealth investment development groups, much of which are owned by the Chinese today. Your plan is a massive wealth consolidation and step towards collectivism.

Corbic's idea of a nice home:

And your proposal....


Ay mami, you're breaking mi corazon!

My goal is keeping ICE cars on the road by moving low-income people who work low-paying jobs to those jobs.

My goal is letting low-income people keep more of that money in their pocket if they so wish, allowing them the option of getting an education, be it college or vocational training, or allowing them the option of moving to an area where they have advancement opportunities.

What you're not understanding is that I want low-income housing built in industrial zones, like run-down blocks in Vernon. I want low-income housing replacing a whole block of small, dilapidated houses off E Slauson. See that empty lot at the corner of Telegraph Rd and E Washington Blvd in Commerce? Put a 30-story apartment complex there for the people who work in Commerce and Vernon. Take a block on the outside of the Fashion District and put up a building.

You'd have to consider pedestrian infrastructure, parking for residents who still want to own cars, etc. It can't be half-assed, it needs to be thought through not only for now, but for 50 years from now. It needs green spaces and needs to be free from addicts ODing on benches.

Depending on how well you prepare, you might start reducing the need for 12-lane highways. You might need 10-lane highways, giving you the ability to put light rail in existing transit corridors.

Build in protections against predatory investment firms and international investors. Sit down, start with the idea, and start going through everything affected by that idea.

Do you really think it's the American Dream to own a house you can barely afford an hour and a half away from where you work? Is it the American Dream to have two financed cars in the driveway and an 8'x8' square of front yard?

We need to be smart if we're trying to tackle complex problems. We need to think holistically, we need to involve people smarter than ourselves, we need to let scientists and data analysts actually help drive our decision-making.

[S14rebuild]

Y'all got some ideas about leftists that are fear mongering bullshit to keep you engaged by the republican party and neocons. Neocons and neoliberals can both get fucked.

Imagine what changes in federal legislation when leftists and libertarian conservatives can agree than current gun control is bullshit and neither group cares for how "their party" is handling it.


Fear mongering= multiple candidates in the same party outright stating they will come for the citizen's firearms.....

[spooled240]

Ay mami, you're breaking mi corazon!



My goal is keeping ICE cars on the road by moving low-income people who work low-paying jobs to those jobs.



My goal is letting low-income people keep more of that money in their pocket if they so wish, allowing them the option of getting an education, be it college or vocational training, or allowing them the option of moving to an area where they have advancement opportunities.



What you're not understanding is that I want low-income housing built in industrial zones, like run-down blocks in Vernon. I want low-income housing replacing a whole block of small, dilapidated houses off E Slauson. See that empty lot at the corner of Telegraph Rd and E Washington Blvd in Commerce? Put a 30-story apartment complex there for the people who work in Commerce and Vernon. Take a block on the outside of the Fashion District and put up a building.



You'd have to consider pedestrian infrastructure, parking for residents who still want to own cars, etc. It can't be half-assed, it needs to be thought through not only for now, but for 50 years from now. It needs green spaces and needs to be free from addicts ODing on benches.



Depending on how well you prepare, you might start reducing the need for 12-lane highways. You might need 10-lane highways, giving you the ability to put light rail in existing transit corridors.



Build in protections against predatory investment firms and international investors. Sit down, start with the idea, and start going through everything affected by that idea.



Do you really think it's the American Dream to own a house you can barely afford an hour and a half away from where you work? Is it the American Dream to have two financed cars in the driveway and an 8'x8' square of front yard?



We need to be smart if we're trying to tackle complex problems. We need to think holistically, we need to involve people smarter than ourselves, we need to let scientists and data analysts actually help drive our decision-making.I agree with this as long as people won't be pressured or forced in some way to live in these apartment complexes in the city. I for one have lived in these human bee hives and can't stand them.

[zombiewolf513]

Do you really think it's the American Dream to own a house you can barely afford an hour and a half away from where you work? Is it the American Dream to have two financed cars in the driveway and an 8'x8' square of front yard?

Absolutely. People want equity.

This idiot thinks people want to live in commie blocks like the rat utopia experiments. Just stop typing. Listen more. Youre out of touch af.

[kingkilburn]

No one wants to live in soviet apartment blocks. No one. Literally no one.

Neoliberals want you locked into a shitty mortgage so their banker buddies make more money. Neoconservatives only want the right people to qualify for the loans, because fuck browns and gays. Leftists want the constant housing bubble and real estate speculation squashed so that everyone can get into a home, because people deserve to live with dignity.

Que Corbic saying I said homeless people should be given mansions on 5th avenue.

[S14rebuild]

Yea, def dont wanna see american cities filled with concrete crack motels..... shit is a sign of poverty and trash....

American dream- being able to provide for myself and family, and give my kids a better life then i have.

[kingkilburn]

Fear mongering= multiple candidates in the same party outright stating they will come for the citizen's firearms.....

Candidates that didn't know what they were talking about and LOST. Fuck Beto. Dumbass should have run for senate again and shut up about it

[S14rebuild]

Candidates that didn't know what they were talking about and LOST. Fuck Beto. Dumbass should have run for senate again and shut up about it

https://youtu.be/3wczzXbzXOg

https://youtu.be/rNzur_RQe4k

So........

[spooled240]

Yea, def dont wanna see american cities filled with concrete crack motels..... shit is a sign of poverty and trash....

American dream- being able to provide for myself and family, and give my kids a better life then i have.

Many millenials these days don't want cars, kids or a big house with a yard and a picket fence. They just want to be able to walk down to their local hipster establishment and have a few kombuchas with their dog-children so it CAN work on paper.. but we all know these complexes will be heavily regulated or even fully operated by the government which will then turn them into shit holes.

Hopefully remote jobs will become a thing so the need for both commuting and proximity to the work place are eliminated. There is so much remote land in America where people can spread out.

[S14rebuild]

Many millenials these days don't want cars, kids or a big house with a yard and a picket fence. They just want to be able to walk down to their local hipster establishment and have a few kombuchas with their dog-children so it CAN work on paper.. but we all know these complexes will be heavily regulated or even fully operated by the government which will then turn them into shit holes.



I could agree with this statement, cant say all but most...

I guess the american dream my generation grew up with is diffrent. Always thought ownership, land, my own peice of the american pie was sought after and the goal. Something to hand down generation to generation....hmmmmm cant see why someone would want different but to each their own

[kingkilburn]

Why do you guys think people want government operated housing rather than housing stipends and regulation adjustments? Literally no one wants to live in uncle sam's concrete bunkhouse. Fuck, man.

We could have state banks offering revenue neutral federally subsidized home loans instead of federal handouts for private banks to hustle people on loans for houses they shouldn't qualify for. This focus on the liberal commie boogie man is so fucking stupid and we never get to actual policy.

[kingkilburn]

It's maddening having to talk around ridiculous precanned talking points and vitriol before you ever have a chance to talk about policy and potential outcomes.

[spooled240]

We could have state banks offering revenue neutral federally subsidized home loans instead of federal handouts for private banks to hustle people on loans for houses they shouldn't qualify for.

So like, student loans but for houses? Who is setting prices for the houses? Gov-assisted loans don't do anything except enable the selling entities to price-hike their product with the assumption that the fed(taxpayers) will cover it. This is how colleges are able to charge 100k for a degree in art to 18 year olds so the President of the University can make 500k/year.

[Corbic]

Many millenials these days don't want cars, kids or a big house with a yard and a picket fence. They just want to be able to walk down to their local hipster establishment and have a few kombuchas with their dog-children

Just means Millennials are a generation of shit stain soy-boy man children afraid to take on responsibility.

"oh no, I'd have to save to buy a house! Oh no I'd have to mow a yard and replace the water heater! Oh no! I have to have insurance on my car and like buy tires!!! Nooooo!"

Then they cry they can't afford to live because they took a 6 year tour at a state school on deferred loans with a degree in Critical Race Theory and can only find a part time job driving a truck.

They then bitch they can't afford to even rent in what is considered the highest cost of living city in the world - (San Francisco) , and blame white privilege, capitalism and Fascism while standing in line to buy their limited YezzyxJordanxSupremexNintendoSwitch drop kicks for $800.

Pack your shit and move to Kansas City and you can get a 4 bedroom house for $160k and a job working at the RailYard for $62k a year.

It's an entire generation of selfish spoiled people who constantly think they are oppressed because they don't have the even slightest clue what oppression is.

They have no desire for responsibility or for the future.

California, King of "Think of the Planet! Global Warming!"... is fucking covered in God damn trash. You cross the Arizona boarder and you don't even need a Welcome sign, you just see road side litter.

Go to LA and fucking TVs and Microwaves are just chilling at intersections. Random tires, busted car parts and fast food garbage everywhere. It's like an episode of Capitan Planet.

At least Detroit just looks like a warzone.

[Corbic]

So like, student loans but for houses? Who is setting prices for the houses? Gov-assisted loans don't do anything except enable the selling entities to price-hike their product with the assumption that the fed(taxpayers) will cover it. This is how colleges are able to charge 100k for a degree in art to 18 year olds so the President of the University can make 500k/year.Bingo.

College Cost = Whatever Fannie/Freddy will give a dipshits in deferred loans.

This is why the schools sit on billions of cash, refuse to credit back living costs even though they sent everyone home and raise the pice every year.

Universities have the highest profit margin of any industry, over 50% profit.

They give back fuck all to thr communities, fucking leaches.

[S14rebuild]

Just means Millennials are a generation of shit stain soy-boy man children afraid to take on responsibility.

"oh no, I'd have to save to buy a house! Oh no I'd have to mow a yard and replace the water heater! Oh no! I have to have insurance on my car and like buy tires!!! Nooooo!"

Then they cry they can't afford to live because they took a 6 year tour at a state school on deferred loans with a degree in Critical Race Theory and can only find a part time job driving a truck.

They then bitch they can't afford to even rent in what is considered the highest cost of living city in the world - (San Francisco) , and blame white privilege, capitalism and Fascism while standing in line to buy their limited YezzyxJordanxSupremexNintendoSwitch drop kicks for $800.

Pack your shit and move to Kansas City and you can get a 4 bedroom house for $160k and a job working at the RailYard for $62k a year.

It's an entire generation of selfish spoiled people who constantly think they are oppressed because they don't have the even slightest clue what oppression is.

They have no desire for responsibility or for the future.

California, King of "Think of the Planet! Global Warming!"... is fucking covered in God damn trash. You cross the Arizona boarder and you don't even need a Welcome sign, you just see road side litter.

Go to LA and fucking TVs and Microwaves are just chilling at intersections. Random tires, busted car parts and fast food garbage everywhere. It's like an episode of Capitan Planet.

At least Detroit just looks like a warzone.


100% the truth....generations to come will be more fucked.

Cant imagine being 75 and witnessing this bullshit in full effect.

[KA24DESOneThree]

I agree with this as long as people won't be pressured or forced in some way to live in these apartment complexes in the city. I for one have lived in these human bee hives and can't stand them.

My family lived in a small apartment block over a hotel in Munich, and my friends at the time all lived in apartments. Everyone was happy and we were all within walking distance of public transport and shopping.

Millions upon millions of people live in apartment buildings. I'm not suggesting the creation of fucking gulags, I'm suggesting that Americans need to get used to the fact that a housing shortage, environmental concerns, and uneven distribution of wealth means we need to reconsider how we live. Just because we have wide open spaces doesn't mean we need to fill them with cookie cutter houses filled with cookie cutter people working cookie cutter jobs until they can retire and take a vacation to fucking Cancun every year.

A three-bedroom house with three generations living in it and having to drive miles to get fresh groceries versus three single-family apartments that take up the same footprint but have access to fresh groceries within walking distance? I'd take the latter every single time.

If you can't build out, you have no choice but to build up.

Corbic, how the fuck are you going to save up to buy a house when you have $8.61 left over after every paycheck and you end up having to spend $500 a year in maintenance on your car, putting you -$400 on December 31? You gonna bootstrap your way up the corporate ladder when you grew up behind the eight ball, undernourished, undereducated, without the Internet, and with parents who grew up in the same poverty cycle they brought you into?

How are you going to get to Kansas on a donut spare in a car that drinks coolant and with an overdrawn bank account? Hard work? Handies in truck stop bathrooms?

I'm outta touch? Bite me.

[kingkilburn]

So like, student loans but for houses? Who is setting prices for the houses? Gov-assisted loans don't do anything except enable the selling entities to price-hike their product with the assumption that the fed(taxpayers) will cover it. This is how colleges are able to charge 100k for a degree in art to 18 year olds so the President of the University can make 500k/year.

You Are Not Listening.

I specifically called out federally subsidized predatory loans as fucking bad, mkay.

State banks(like North Dakota) giving out federally subsidized and overall revenue neutral(assuming you make your payments) home loans AND housing stipends based on income and zipcode, that's what I want. State banks take in local taxes before they go into government spending and grow it through investment. What sounder investment can a state bank make for its citizens than in helping create more property tax paying households?

The elite are pushing policy like this to pay for their private jets and country clubs. We should be using this model across the board, if it works so well.

"It would never work" I hear you say. But what if it did?
"It'll never pass" I hear you say. But what if it did?

We need more people paying income and property taxes and we need to get there by kick starting the economy from the bottom up for once. The constant quantitative easing hasn't done it.

[spooled240]

Hard to believe some of these kids today are descendants of the kids who were fighting the Nazi's 75 years ago. Last year I met a WW2 veteran who by the age of 25 already flew numerous sorties in a P-51D Mustang having once ditched in the English channel after suffering engine problems and being one of the few who successfully shot down a German ME262 fighter jet. The amount of bravery and sense of duty these men possessed to fight actual oppression is unfathomable. But like, we need to sue McDonald's because they made me fat when I had little self control from eating their french fries on a daily basis.

[kingkilburn]

P.S.
Millennials are the most productive generation of Americans by far. No butts or caveats. There's mountains of data and research on this. It's been known for years. No one has worked harder or generated more wealth, period.

[S14rebuild]

Most productive as how? Gross earning? Technology advances? National trade growth?

[Corbic]

Corbic, how the fuck are you going to save up to buy a house when you have $8.61 left over after every paycheck and you end up having to spend $500 a year in maintenance on your car, putting you -$400 on December 31? You gonna bootstrap your way up the corporate ladder when you grew up behind the eight ball, undernourished, undereducated, without the Internet, and with parents who grew up in the same poverty cycle they brought you into?



How are you going to get to Kansas on a donut spare in a car that drinks coolant and with an overdrawn bank account? Hard work? Handies in truck stop bathrooms?



I'm outta touch? Bite me.

Wow, sounds like a bunch of made up problems that could be easily overcome if you actually wanted too.

Americans, under nourished? Surreee, the only "hungry" kids are victims of child abuse and we have all sorts of programs in place to fix that. That's an extreme outlier . Might as well talk about the blind and deaf dwarf.

Undereducated? Where in the US do we not have free public education?? If your fault I'd you don't learn shit.

Without Internet? Prior to 2005, nobody had fucking "internet" .

Poor Parents? And what? Bad news bruh, I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth and I've owned two houses now. Bought my first with $8k down at $85k when I was making $40,000 a year.

Broke car, wanna get to Kansas, got no friends?

Sell the POS and all your shit for $2,500 and buy a bus ticket for $600. You got $1,900 now and can crash at the local motel cockroach for $300/M, ramen is $1/day. You got two months to find some part time work and a place to rent.

Work your way up.

https://youtu.be/UKfmRhfuI8g

^ when I wanted to save up to travel or for car parts, I've literally done exactly that 6 times now (6 months total) because my normal eating out habits can easily run $20/day average. Boom damn near $4k for free.

Make the short term hard sacrifices for the long term gains.

[Corbic]

Most productive as how? Gross earning? Technology advances? National trade growth?Likely the same idiotic Metric that shows France is more productive then China.

Output / Manpower = Productivity.

Reality is technically and automation is the driving factor.

1950 you needed 1,500 AP Clerks to process invoices and payments at GM.

Today, with ERP systems and EDI payments, you need 100 AP Clerks.

OMFG 100 Millennials do the work of 1500 Boomers!!!!

[S14rebuild]

guy pulled up to me at a light, yelled fuk u fa**ots at me and my son, hope yall get deported... all because of my trump flag on my truck. Im confussed lmao

[spooled240]

My family lived in a small apartment block over a hotel in Munich, and my friends at the time all lived in apartments. Everyone was happy and we were all within walking distance of public transport and shopping.

it was so awesome you moved out and bought a house? lol

You Are Not Listening.

I specifically called out federally subsidized predatory loans as fucking bad, mkay.

State banks(like North Dakota) giving out federally subsidized and overall revenue neutral(assuming you make your payments) home loans AND housing stipends based on income and zipcode, that's what I want.

I think all this will do will just increase the prices for everything incrementally. That's just how the market is. Affordability goes up and so do all the prices. It's happening right now with the recent decrease in interest rates..

[Corbic]

guy pulled up to me at a light, yelled fuk u fa**ots at me and my son, hope yall get deported... all because of my trump flag on my truck. Im confussed lmaoYup,

The loving accepting diverse left.

They'll key your car and damage your property if they see you supporting Trump.

[S14rebuild]

Yup,

The loving accepting diverse left.

They'll key your car and damage your property if they see you supporting Trump.

Uhhhh... funny its the ONLY negative ive gotten where i live...say its 40 to 1....

Just cant imagine a flag, or my support for the president of the usa, triggern sumone so hard lol... grown man calln a 10yr old boy a fa**ot.....

[deolio]

Just means Millennials are [insert brain dribble]

You realize you?re a millennial, right? 81-96 baby! However I could have sworn everything stopped being black and white in the 1950?s...



I can?t see the European metro model working in America, especially NOW. Manufacturing and classically ?blue collar? jobs are shifting to desk job type shit, which I think is good for America and Americans, if we are to progress. The only threats are security and the ISP?s never-ending war on net neutrality. China won the manufacturing war, but if America is to continue to lead the world, we can never lose the innovation war. You know what encourages innovation? People not having to dig through trash or jump through hoops to get to their next meal and have a bed to sleep in. Hard to look up when you?re forced to keep your nose to the ground... shit idk where I?m going with this rant... I guess basically people worry too much about what other people are doing and not enough about the bigger picture. Taking a step back to look a things is a good thing to do 🤷🏼*♂️

[Corbic]

You realize you?re a millennial, right? 81-96 baby!

While that's totally great for a broad "oh hey, they are adults at the start of the Millennium!" naming convention, it's not an accurate cultural classification.

Plenty of discussion has been done on it, but basically the cultural differences is did you have Facebook, Cellphone and Internet in Highschool.

If you graduated before 2004, the answer is no, and thus you had a very different cultural experience then the post 2005 crowd.


However I could have sworn everything stopped being black and white in the 1950?s...

Never to late to have moral fiber and conviction.







I can?t see the European metro model working in America, especially NOW. Manufacturing and classically ?blue collar? jobs are shifting to desk job type shit, which I think is good for America and Americans, if we are to progress. The only threats are security and the ISP?s never-ending war on net neutrality.

You have no idea what Net Neutrality is.


China won the manufacturing war, but if America is to continue to lead the world, we can never lose the innovation war. You know what encourages innovation? People not having to dig through trash or jump through hoops to get to their next meal and have a bed to sleep in. Hard to look up when you?re forced to keep your nose to the ground... shit idk where I?m going with this rant... I guess basically people worry too much about what other people are doing and not enough about the bigger picture. Taking a step back to look a things is a good thing to do [emoji1743]*[emoji3603]


This made no fucking sense. Sounds like some typical spoiled millennial shit. "oh gawd, in forced to work for an evil corporation making the rich richer just so I can barely afford my Starbucks and PF Chang!!! I'm so oppressed, I have to pay rent!! Reeeee"

[kingkilburn]

Congrats. You're an older millennial like 80% of this forum. Cellphones and the internet existed, we barely had access. Social media didn't exist until after highschool and smart phones weren't a thing for years.
You aren't special; well you are special but your stunted emotional growth and lack of general understanding of the world around you are a different subject.

[deolio]

While that's totally great for a broad "oh hey, they are adults at the start of the Millennium!" naming convention, it's not an accurate cultural classification.

Broad? Like saying, ?EVERY millennial is this way ____.?

You just sound like the old men of every fuckin generation who talk shit on the younger generation. There?s a pattern here...

You have no idea what Net Neutrality is.

Oh so that paper I wrote about it in college and got an A on was complete bullshit. Good to know.

This made no fucking sense. Sounds like some typical spoiled millennial shit. "oh gawd, in forced to work for an evil corporation making the rich richer just so I can barely afford my Starbucks and PF Chang!!! I'm so oppressed, I have to pay rent!! Reeeee"

It was a rant, it wasn?t supposed to make sense. You keep talking that talk as if we don?t want the same thing. You?re blind as fuck my guy.

[LEG1T]

This country is so close to civil war it’s no longer funny.

It’s all fun and games if we poke fun, but at this point he’s propping up militias and encouraging civil unrest if he looses.

This is going beyond talking points and memes at this point.

You don’t need to be left, right or center to realize see what he’s doing is dangerous.

His campaign breathes on the fumes of hate, fear, and privilege and it’s getting dangerous.

[S14rebuild]

This country is so close to civil war it?s no longer funny.

It?s all fun and games if we poke fun, but at this point he?s propping up militias and encouraging civil unrest if he looses.

This is going beyond talking points and memes at this point.

You don?t need to be left, right or center to realize see what he?s doing is dangerous.

His campaign breathes on the fumes of hate, fear, and privilege and it?s getting dangerous.


Maybe its what this country needs? You sound afraid

[dbeiler]

His campaign breathes on the fumes of hate, fear, and privilege and it?s getting dangerous.

The waSHITington Post would love to have you on their team as a journalist.

[Corbic]

This country is so close to civil war it?s no longer funny.

It?s all fun and games if we poke fun, but at this point he?s propping up militias and encouraging civil unrest if he looses.

This is going beyond talking points and memes at this point.

You don?t need to be left, right or center to realize see what he?s doing is dangerous.

His campaign breathes on the fumes of hate, fear, and privilege and it?s getting dangerous.I thought you were Pro-Biden?

.

[kingkilburn]

Why the fuck is civil war always on the table for you goons? It's like you go out of your way to be violently uninformed then demand to have your way when you don't even know what you want. It's not like your views represent a majority of Americans, not even a majority of states you live in.

Homosexuals get to be legally married while I mind my own business?! Better grab my guns.
Women's health insurance has to cover their feminine health needs regardless of their employer? Man the artillery!
People want paid a reasonable amount for full time work with some protections against workplace hazards and wrongful termination??? Jimmy, get the explosives! My great grandfather didn't take up arms against the Dixon coalmine for liberals to have employment security!

God Almighty, shut the entire fuck up with that shit and mind your own personal business. Don't Tread On Me and all that.

[S14rebuild]

Why the fuck is civil war always on the table for you goons? It's like you go out of your way to be violently uninformed then demand to have your way when you don't even know what you want. It's not like your views represent a majority of Americans, not even a majority of states you live in.

Homosexuals get to be legally married while I mind my own business?! Better grab my guns.
Women's health insurance has to cover their feminine health needs regardless of their employer? Man the artillery!
People want paid a reasonable amount for full time work with some protections against workplace hazards and wrongful termination??? Jimmy, get the explosives! My great grandfather didn't take up arms against the Dixon coalmine for liberals to have employment security!

God Almighty, shut the entire fuck with that shit and mind your own personal business. Don't Tread On Me and all that.


It was brought up by one of ur biden buddies....

Remembered civil war takes 2 sides to fight.... its always an option, just like your have an option of what size dildo u wanna sit on.

Dont tread on me is correct.

[kingkilburn]

We've got you listed as requesting a Great American Challenge. Please confirm your request.

[S14rebuild]

We've got you listed as requesting a Great American Challenge. Please confirm your request.

Ok....:picardfp:

[Future240]

This country is so close to civil war it?s no longer funny.

It?s all fun and games if we poke fun, but at this point he?s propping up militias and encouraging civil unrest if he looses.

This is going beyond talking points and memes at this point.

You don?t need to be left, right or center to realize see what he?s doing is dangerous.

His campaign breathes on the fumes of hate, fear, and privilege and it?s getting dangerous.

I going to disagree with on this one. The country is more than just those few cities you see on the news. It is 328+ million people. Out of those, I would say 99.8% of people have no interest in taking up arms and fighting their trump voting or biden voting fellow citizens which is a an actual civil war would be.

The other .02% of the population would amount to roughly 60K people. Even if for arguments sakes, 60k people across the country were ready to civil war it would be no bigger than a blip on twitter when someone says something twitter doesn't like.

It is easy to get caught up in protests and shots of these militia's but remember the mass majority of america is not protesting. The majority of america is not burning down each other's flags and yell fuck (Biden/trump) at each other.

There will always be isolated examples because it does happen. However those are outlier events.

Not to mention almost half of america's voting population doesn't even vote.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/05/21/u-s-voter-turnout-trails-most-developed-countries/

Should the president be telling the proud boys and other miltias to stand back? Yes. Should he be telling them to watch the polls? No as they are not official poll watchers.

Like any "good" politician he is simply pandering to his base knowing the chance of something actually popping off is small and if it did. All he has to do is say, I don't condone it, or sahy nothing and he will be resolved of all responsibility.

[kingkilburn]

If you can't win, cheat.

https://www.newsweek.com/california-gop-fake-official-ballot-boxes-1538221

[KA24DESOneThree]

it was so awesome you moved out and bought a house? lol

Hard to live in Germany by yourself as a kid- the job market sucks for pre-teens. Also, I live 2 miles from work, so I'm doing my best to keep commutes down.

I'd walk or ride a bike if I was certain I wouldn't get run the fuck down by some Marine on a Gixxer (or Harley) passing in the bike lane at double the speed of traffic.

[S14rebuild]

Hard to live in Germany by yourself as a kid- the job market sucks for pre-teens. Also, I live 2 miles from work, so I'm doing my best to keep commutes down.

I'd walk or ride a bike if I was certain I wouldn't get run the fuck down by some Marine on a Gixxer (or Harley) passing in the bike lane at double the speed of traffic.

Doesnt suprise me the beta male getn ran over buy a bull on a gixxer.

[zombiewolf513]

Noone showed up to the Biden/Harris rally

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1274080589310824450/photo/1

https://emoji.gg/assets/emoji/6730_pepe_laugh.gif

[Future240]

Noone showed up to the Biden/Harris rally

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1274080589310824450/photo/1



:picardfp: This photo is old and long before harris. The tweet literally says June. Secondly it was due to social distancing not attendance.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/20/trump-mocks-zero-enthusiasm-joe-biden-rally-in-philadelphia/

[S14rebuild]

:picardfp: This photo is old and long before harris. The tweet literally says June. Secondly it was due to social distancing not attendance.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/20/trump-mocks-zero-enthusiasm-joe-biden-rally-in-philadelphia/

Ok...

https://youtu.be/CsAuwWWmpBU

[S14rebuild]

If you can't win, cheat.

https://www.newsweek.com/california-gop-fake-official-ballot-boxes-1538221


Okay mr. Teapot...

https://youtu.be/e2pizMVG6ZA.

[zombiewolf513]

:picardfp: This photo is old and long before harris. The tweet literally says June. Secondly it was due to social distancing not attendance.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/20/trump-mocks-zero-enthusiasm-joe-biden-rally-in-philadelphia/

oops youre right, it was this one, sorry.

https://twitter.com/InfidelAngela/status/1315359365893967874

[kingkilburn]

Doesnt suprise me the beta male getn ran over buy a bull on a gixxer.

This is the most homoerotic forum post I've yet witnessed, and we just got the order for the Great American Challenge prepped.

[S14rebuild]

This is the most homoerotic forum post I've yet witnessed, and we just got the order for the Great American Challenge prepped.


You must be new here...

[kingkilburn]

Let's just check those join dates that are conveniently right next to our usernames.

[kingkilburn]

I'm still in shock that the california republican party officially installed unofficial drop boxes. It's obviously not ballot harvesting, not even close.

The state should treat them the way Greece treats Golden Dawn.

[S14rebuild]

Im still in shock that California democratic party would be so triggered by trump that even try some 25th amendment bullshit... im still shocked that the citizens there would vote for such a cunt.... vote away their own rights lol.

[spooled240]

Hard to live in Germany by yourself as a kid- the job market sucks for pre-teens. Also, I live 2 miles from work, so I'm doing my best to keep commutes down.

Regardless of the commute you at one point bought and moved into a house for some reason.

[S14rebuild]

https://youtu.be/4GIXwEtlAGk

Yall really think this guys gonna make it 4yrs?

[Future240]

^^^ Make it 4 years yes. Do a good job in those 4 years, no. Half ass job at best.

This is the most homoerotic forum post I've yet witnessed, and we just got the order for the Great American Challenge prepped.

You must be new here...

Really, there is some stuff in mod land that just...:hide:

[S14rebuild]

FUTURE240-

i see ur secret Mod land lol

Why not share? Its an open forum..... could be intresting lol

[kingkilburn]

https://youtu.be/4GIXwEtlAGk

Yall really think this guys gonna make it 4yrs?

Even Pelosi doesn't think so. That bill she brought up on Friday pissed off Republicans when clearly Biden and Harris were on their minds and not Trump who is looking to lose decisively at this point.

[Future240]

FUTURE240-

i see ur secret Mod land lol

Why not share? Its an open forum..... could be intresting lol

Mod land is an abandoned land. He who dost not haveth a name in RED or Burgundy may not enter.

Any link from said place would simply end up as a dead end for anyone else.

One tid bit though I will share as IMO it does down as one of the most WTF threads I've ever seen.

There was a entire thread dedicated to :wackit: at work.

[S14rebuild]

Even Pelosi doesn't think so. That bill she brought up on Friday pissed off Republicans when clearly Biden and Harris were on their minds and not Trump who is looking to lose decisively at this point.


Oh this i 100% agree on. Shit is scary

[S14rebuild]

Mod land is an abandoned land. He who dost not haveth a name in RED or Burgundy may not enter.

Any link from said place would simply end up as a dead end for anyone else.

One tid bit though I will share as IMO it does down as one of the most WTF threads I've ever seen.

There was a entire thread dedicated to :wackit: at work.

Bwwaahhh. Well how does on become these RED/BURGUNDY name?

Is it by the most RED reputation? Cause i gotta be at the top of that list...

[KA24DESOneThree]

Doesnt suprise me the beta male getn ran over buy a bull on a gixxer.

"Hurr, this guy wants to ride a bike to work in the lane designated for it and some useless fuck might cripple him to save fifteen seconds hurr beta hurr bull" Gimme a fucking break, I thought all y'all were law and order types? You're pro-life unless that life belongs to a beta soyboy bicyclist? Real top-level thinking there. Whenever you open your mouth, I bet OBJ's pants get tight.

Regardless of the commute you at one point bought and moved into a house for some reason.

I was tired of not having my own shop, my wife and I had the money to buy a house, and my wife was pushing hard for a house of our own. I'm lucky enough to have been the founding partner of my business, and traded many, many weeks of too many hours for where I am now.

My goal is for tens of thousands of people to save $15/work day in automotive costs per year, meaning that they can save $3825/year rather than almost nothing per year. In ten years at 2% per year, that's $45,545.34; for a two-car family, that's $90,545.68. Nothing to scoff at, and enough to buy a $394k house and avoid PMI. Enough to send a couple kids to school. Enough to have real savings.

All without relying on welfare and increasing the quality of America's cities. Without removing ICE cars from the roadways. And yet I'm the one talking gibberish.

[S14rebuild]

"Hurr, this guy wants to ride a bike to work in the lane designated for it and some useless fuck might cripple him to save fifteen seconds hurr beta hurr bull" Gimme a fucking break, I thought all y'all were law and order types? You're pro-life unless that life belongs to a beta soyboy bicyclist? Real top-level thinking there. Whenever you open your mouth, I bet OBJ's pants get tight.

Wooooo. Hit a soft spot huh? I dont know how to reply

Press 1. For me to slightly drift to the right and clip your head with my tow mirror, and watch u tumble to the floor

or

Press2. For me to post your username on cuckoldpleaser.com here on zilvia

either or is fine with...doesnt change ur flawed far-left ideology.


Either or

[kingkilburn]

Again with the homoeroticism.

[S14rebuild]

Again with the homoeroticism.

Yea, uve said that already.....

[spooled240]

I was tired of not having my own shop, my wife and I had the money to buy a house, and my wife was pushing hard for a house of our own. I'm lucky enough to have been the founding partner of my business, and traded many, many weeks of too many hours for where I am now.

My goal is for tens of thousands of people to save $15/work day in automotive costs per year, meaning that they can save $3825/year rather than almost nothing per year. In ten years at 2% per year, that's $45,545.34; for a two-car family, that's $90,545.68. Nothing to scoff at, and enough to buy a $394k house and avoid PMI. Enough to send a couple kids to school. Enough to have real savings.

All without relying on welfare and increasing the quality of America's cities. Without removing ICE cars from the roadways. And yet I'm the one talking gibberish.

This is why people will commute hours a day instead of living in apartment min from their work. Houses will always be a dream possession for many Americans and apartments just suck.

[KA24DESOneThree]

They will always be a dream possession if we don't change the way people live. I'm providing a path to home ownership. The current method of commuting from an apartment or rental home to and from a low-wage job is a path to retiring with no savings.

s14rebuild, I'd love to hear your explanation of why my ideology is far-left. After that, you can explain why you wish harm on cyclists. Jesus, you're a seething ball of hate, aren't you?

[zombiewolf513]

They will always be a dream possession if we don't change the way people live.

:eek2: get a load of this kid.

[Future240]

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/california-republicans-drop-boxes-ballot-harvesting-fraud.amp

[LEG1T]

I going to disagree with on this one. The country is more than just those few cities you see on the news. It is 328+ million people. Out of those, I would say 99.8% of people have no interest in taking up arms and fighting their trump voting or biden voting fellow citizens which is a an actual civil war would be.

The other .02% of the population would amount to roughly 60K people. Even if for arguments sakes, 60k people across the country were ready to civil war it would be no bigger than a blip on twitter when someone says something twitter doesn't like.

It is easy to get caught up in protests and shots of these militia's but remember the mass majority of america is not protesting. The majority of america is not burning down each other's flags and yell fuck (Biden/trump) at each other.

There will always be isolated examples because it does happen. However those are outlier events.

Not to mention almost half of america's voting population doesn't even vote.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/05/21/u-s-voter-turnout-trails-most-developed-countries/

Should the president be telling the proud boys and other miltias to stand back? Yes. Should he be telling them to watch the polls? No as they are not official poll watchers.

Like any "good" politician he is simply pandering to his base knowing the chance of something actually popping off is small and if it did. All he has to do is say, I don't condone it, or sahy nothing and he will be resolved of all responsibility.

I appreciate your thorough reply and surely hope this is the case.

I guess his pandering is magnifying in my brain more because he?s propping his base of not only civilians but also law enforcement to an extent. I think there?s more there than meets the eye in a sense.

Hopefully you?re right and I?m surely just over thinking the whole thing but, I mainly threw that out there to take the temperature and as expected even passive non militia supporters here seemingly up for it. So still surprising to be honest that?s it?s commonly accepted within his base, figuratively or not that should be noted. Don?t you think?

[zombiewolf513]

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/california-republicans-drop-boxes-ballot-harvesting-fraud.amp

Ohhhhh, so now ballot harvesting is considered fraud, because Republicans are doing it, like the Democrats. Gotcha. What's the big deal? They were just trying to expand voting rights in these unprecedented times of our new COVID normal. Besides, ballot harvesting is legal in California, so since when did it become fraud? Oh yeah, when it's convenient, that's right. Funny how the left is suddenly so concerned with election security after denying voter fraud doesn't exist so many times. If the Republicans tried to remove these boxes from Democrat areas, the left would be screaming "Voter suppression! Voter suppression!" Hey Californians, have fun getting triggered when your states election officials decide to play "21,000,000 pick up" with the mail in ballots they mailed out, unsolicited. Don't forget to blame the hacker known as Putin.

Ah, slate. The same fine establishment that brings us profound articles such as this gem promoting a French softcore CP as free speech:
https://slate.com/technology/2020/10/cuties-netflix-texas-indictment-lewd-visual-material-first-amendment.html

They chose a picture of sexualized children for the article, but I don't want to spread the CP beyond making people aware of its disgusting and prevalent existence, particularly amongst the left and their overlords.

Here's a better source, clarifying this election fraud nothingburger:
https://apnews.com/article/los-angeles-fresno-elections-california-santa-ana-be803bfe99f5eb35e17a6ee56315deb0

[S14rebuild]

https://youtu.be/6XZqK14DyYQ

Well joe said it..dont vote for him...

[Future240]

Yet

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-10-12/california-gop-republicans-under-fire-unofficial-ballot-dropboxes-orange-county

Sidenote: I knew someone would question the source. I didn?t want to use them but not many reporting this.

[KA24DESOneThree]

You do realize that pedos are on both sides of the aisle, right?

You also realize that the left is as concerned with election security as the right, right?

I move to change the name of each party to Whatabout Party A and Whatabout Party B, because it's obvious the adherents of each don't have a fucking clue how to form a proper argument and instead just scream whataboutisms.

How about you post the relevant section of the California election code? Have you even looked at the text? Any relevant legal precedent?

[Future240]

Plus idgaf if it’s the right or left.

Neither should be doing it.

[S14rebuild]

Yet

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-10-12/california-gop-republicans-under-fire-unofficial-ballot-dropboxes-orange-county

Sidenote: I knew someone would question the source. I didn?t want to use them but not many reporting this.


Wonder why not many are reporting this? If it was true election fraud n tampering this should plastered EVERWHERE

[kingkilburn]

Fake "official" ballot boxes are in no way ballot harvesting. That's clear and obvious election fraud. Great job co-signing cheating and lawlessness.

[zombiewolf513]

Plus idgaf if it?s the right or left.

Neither should be doing it.

I agree. A standard needs to be set somewhere, because the freakshow is getting out of control. Unfortunately, itll be us that gets hurt in the end, not the politicians playing games.

[Corbic]

Wonder why not many are reporting this? If it was true election fraud n tampering this should plastered EVERWHEREIt's not "election fraud", dip-shits are arguing over semantics of who and how Ballots can get collected.

[Corbic]

Wonder why not many are reporting this? If it was true election fraud n tampering this should plastered EVERWHEREIt's not "election fraud", dip-shits are arguing over semantics of who and how Ballots can get collected.

[S14rebuild]

It's not "election fraud", dip-shits are arguing over semantics of who and how Ballots can get collected.

Its only the left calln it election fraud.... whatever best suits their case

[kingkilburn]

There are local election commission ballot boxes and GOP "authorized" ballot boxes. We're talking about orange county and Fresno. Who do you think runs the local election commission?

This shit is fucking insane and your responses to it even more so.

[Phlip]

Bwwaahhh. Well how does on become these RED/BURGUNDY name?
I know the answer to this question

Is it by the most RED reputation? Cause i gotta be at the top of that list...
No, that ain't it. But I do enjoy how much it quite apparently bothers you.

[S14rebuild]

I know the answer to this question

No, that ain't it. But I do enjoy how much it quite apparently bothers you.

Lmao.... whatever i can do to draw ur attention ill take it as a win! It honors me out of the thousands of memebers on this forum you know me..single me out! Truly amazing, such an honor my lord!

[Future240]

Interesting.

My arm chair lawyer ruling is that, they are the nearly the same excpet the dems went about it in the context of the law by having people sign off on having their ballots delivered by a 3rd party and the repubs did not and what they are doing is illegal only due to the fact the boxes are marked "official" when they are not and the people are not signing off on having a 3rd party deliver the ballot.

Seems simple. The repubs should just do the same thing the dems did. Problem solved.

https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/10/14/trump-urges-california-gop-to-fight-on-with-unofficial-ballot-boxes-despite-prosecution-threat-1324290



Republicans on Monday said relying on unofficial ballot boxes was no different than the "ballot harvesting" that Democrats organized with great success during the 2018 midterm elections. Under California law, third-party collection of ballots is legal as long as a voter formally authorizes another person to return their ballot for them. Democratic volunteers in the last election collected ballots from voters who indicated they wanted help submitting them.

Padilla and Becerra on Monday argued that the California GOP's recent placement of unauthorized drop boxes in Fresno, Los Angeles and Orange counties differs from Democratic ?ballot harvesting? efforts because voters assume their ballot will be delivered via an official-looking mechanism ? all without signing their ballots.

They demanded GOP campaign officials stop using private containers marked as ?official? drop boxes, saying official boxes are subject to state security standards and can only be installed by county registrars.

[Future240]

Interesting.

My arm chair lawyer ruling is that, they are the nearly the same excpet the dems went about it in the context of the law by having people sign off on having their ballots delivered by a 3rd party and the repubs did not and what they are doing is illegal only due to the fact the boxes are marked "official" when they are not and the people are not signing off on having a 3rd party deliver the ballot.

Seems simple. The repubs should just do the same thing the dems did. Problem solved.

https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/10/14/trump-urges-california-gop-to-fight-on-with-unofficial-ballot-boxes-despite-prosecution-threat-1324290



Republicans on Monday said relying on unofficial ballot boxes was no different than the "ballot harvesting" that Democrats organized with great success during the 2018 midterm elections. Under California law, third-party collection of ballots is legal as long as a voter formally authorizes another person to return their ballot for them. Democratic volunteers in the last election collected ballots from voters who indicated they wanted help submitting them.

Padilla and Becerra on Monday argued that the California GOP's recent placement of unauthorized drop boxes in Fresno, Los Angeles and Orange counties differs from Democratic ?ballot harvesting? efforts because voters assume their ballot will be delivered via an official-looking mechanism ? all without signing their ballots.

They demanded GOP campaign officials stop using private containers marked as ?official? drop boxes, saying official boxes are subject to state security standards and can only be installed by county registrars.

[Phlip]

Seems simple. The repubs should just do the same thing the dems did. Problem solved.
You simply cannot say things like this, not even with supporting legal reasoning, What the shit is wrong with you? You must choose a corner and defend it ravenously!

[KA24DESOneThree]

It's not "election fraud", dip-shits are arguing over semantics of who and how Ballots can get collected.

Can you quote the relevant portions of California election law, please?

Please tell me you read the law and aren't just parroting.

[kingkilburn]

The intention is clear and the methodology proves the intention. They dropped fake boxes in select locations that could be up for grabs.

They did not send out fliers for legal harvesting. They did not do phone calls informing voters about legal harvesting. They only took credit once it was pointed out that whoever put the boxes out had committed a felony.

This isn't technically illegal. This is bottom to top, without question, illegal.

[S14rebuild]

The intention is clear and the methodology proves the intention. They dropped fake boxes in select locations that could be up for grabs.

They did not send out fliers for legal harvesting. They did not do phone calls informing voters about legal harvesting. They only took credit once it was pointed out that whoever put the boxes out had committed a felony.

This isn't technically illegal. This is bottom to top, without question, illegal.


Felony? Wheres the arrests?...whos charged with such horriable crimes?

[kingkilburn]

Did you smoke bath salts for breakfast?

[Ichi-Go]

Voting by mail has a history of being trusted by Americans. Trump even votes by mail. Mail in voting issues are statistically rare, and not proven to be a national issue. All these issues below are localized. There is no proof of widespread and organized national issues related to mail in ballots.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nearly-7000-new-jersey-residents-receive-mail-in-ballots-for-wrong-district/ar-BB19NLFk

https://nypost.com/2020/08/20/new-election-ordered-in-nj-race-marred-by-voter-fraud-charges/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/29/nyregion/absentee-ballot-nyc-brooklyn.html

https://apnews.com/article/state-elections-elections-virginia-richmond-virus-outbreak-cacba3fbe98d8a6ec20c39ee501461f2

https://abc13.com/texas-vote-by-mail-fraud-ken-paxton-in-ballot-gregg-county-commission-arrested/6544331/

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/reaganmccarthy/2020/09/08/georgia-voter-fraud-n2575805

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/10/08/carrollton-mayoral-candidate-zul-mirza-mohamed-arrested-voter-fraud/

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2020-10-09/ohio-county-says-nearly-50-000-voters-received-wrong-ballots

https://www.newsweek.com/around-11000-north-carolina-voters-mailed-voter-registration-forms-incorrect-information-1536742

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/10/08/mail-carrier-arrested-for-allegedly-dumping-ballots/

[S14rebuild]

Did you smoke bath salts for breakfast?

Theres were general questions i asked...you reply to questions with an answer, not another question.




This is getting intresting
https://youtu.be/Nuo8DPp72nk

[Future240]

You simply cannot say things like this, not even with supporting legal reasoning, What the shit is wrong with you? You must choose a corner and defend it ravenously!

Indeed you are correct. My bad.

Let me correct myself.



The acts of the repubs are so illegal it is basically akin to murder. How dare they employ similar techniques to the democrats to get themselves elected?!! Have they no shame?!!

Trump supporting it basically makes him an anti american communist. They should all be sent to prison for voter fraud for 27 years. LOCK THEM UP!:trogdor::trogdor:

[kingkilburn]

Similar but not not legal tactics... Much like murdering your pregnant wife so you can bang a stripper is similar to divorcing your pregnant wife so you can bang a stripper.

[zombiewolf513]

Fraud in our election process, especially the mail in type, simply doesn't exist. I hereby declare you all Russian bots and Alex Jones dolls for perpetuating these conspiracy theories.

[kingkilburn]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Law_%26_Order.png

[S14rebuild]

^stop burning down cities, stop destroying private property, stop demanding to burn it all down!!

[RalliartRsX]

^stop burning down cities, stop destroying private property, stop demanding to burn it all down!!

......and what does any of that have to do with election fraud by the gop?

Stop pivoting.....

[S14rebuild]

......and what does any of that have to do with election fraud by the gop?

Stop pivoting.....


Ohhh welcome back to the cluster fuck thread.

Im just stating my random point, just like everyone eles here.

[Corbic]

......and what does any of that have to do with election fraud by the gop?



Stop pivoting.....Agreed.

We must stop republican voter fraud.

All voters should be required to show a government photo idea, birth certificate or passport and SS Card to validate identity (just like getting a Driver's License) and then dip their index finger in blue ink and press is on candidate box they wish to vote for.

This will stop all the fraud and Russian Bots!

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201015/53f04e70972b4cbf05bd20b87354d5d3.jpg

[kingkilburn]

Fantastic. Now go issue all those IDs at zero cost to citizens at point of issue and make certain they are available to 100% of those that need them.

So long as Republicans keep yelling about voter ID while shutting down DMVs, libraries, etc, it's all bullshit and you can personally fuck off with it.

[zombiewolf513]

If you wait all the way up until you need the ID to get one, and can't afford the $10 (that someone has to pay for), then that's on you.
BTW, registering to vote by mail without a government ID is still a thing in California and most states. There's literally no excuse other than laziness.

[Future240]

Really????

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1317044556328730625?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1317044556328730625%7Ctwgr% 5Eshare_3%2Ccontainerclick_0&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2Fn ews%2Fpolitics%2F2020%2F10%2F16%2Fdonald-trump-retweets-babylon-bee-attack-joe-biden-twitter%2F3675923001%2F

[Future240]

Really????

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1317044556328730625?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1317044556328730625%7Ctwgr% 5Eshare_3%2Ccontainerclick_0&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2Fn ews%2Fpolitics%2F2020%2F10%2F16%2Fdonald-trump-retweets-babylon-bee-attack-joe-biden-twitter%2F3675923001%2F

[SupaDoopa]

'Republicans' didn't shut down anything. You stripped the President of his power, remember? You're saying he's mentally retarded or whatever the Crypt Keeper Pelosi is saying, remember?

If masks are so good at preventing a disease that we're dick hard in calling people out who don't wear them, why is it a big deal to hand out free masks to anyone who wants to go to a voting center to physically vote? You know how easy it is to manipulate and steal ballots that are mailed to someone? The system is fucked. It wouldn't surprise me if Biden's dumbass won. I suggest everyone enjoy their rights while they last especially with moron Democrats blaming shit on another party that has nearly no power [for now]. Y'all really fucked with these new young justice's though. Sheeeeeeeesh.

[S14rebuild]

Really????

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1317044556328730625?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1317044556328730625%7Ctwgr% 5Eshare_3%2Ccontainerclick_0&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2Fn ews%2Fpolitics%2F2020%2F10%2F16%2Fdonald-trump-retweets-babylon-bee-attack-joe-biden-twitter%2F3675923001%2F

Is anyone suprised??? Left or right... everyone should see this bullshit!

Fair and clean election is utter bullshit


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/senate-to-subpoena-twitter-ceo-over-blocking-of-new-york-post-articles-on-bidens-11602777128

[Future240]

Is anyone suprised??? Left or right... everyone should see this bullshit!

Fair and clean election is utter bullshit


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/senate-to-subpoena-twitter-ceo-over-blocking-of-new-york-post-articles-on-bidens-11602777128

The Babylon Bee is a satirical website.......

[S14rebuild]

The Babylon Bee is a satirical website.......

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/senate-to-subpoena-twitter-ceo-over-blocking-of-new-york-post-articles-on-bidens-11602777128


Wall street journal.......is what?

[Future240]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/senate-to-subpoena-twitter-ceo-over-blocking-of-new-york-post-articles-on-bidens-11602777128


Wall street journal.......is what?

The wsj article is legit. The thing trump tweeted about is not.

[RalliartRsX]

Maybe twiter blocked trump because the stories he posted are.........FALSE and INACCURATE at best??

For instance; Obama killed Seal team 6. That is unequivocally false. Or the absolutely false Hunter story which NO OTHER NEWS SOURCE has picked up apart from Fox and NYT

IJS...

[Corbic]

Maybe twiter blocked trump because the stories he posted are.........FALSE and INACCURATE at best??

For instance; Obama killed Seal team 6. That is unequivocally false. Or the absolutely false Hunter story which NO OTHER NEWS SOURCE has picked up apart from Fox and NYT

IJS...Meanwhile Twitter allows all sorts of other stupid shit to get posted.

Remember the whole Trump is a Russian Agent narrative?

Or how they, Google and Facebook have decided that any mention of Epstein being murdered and covering up child sex trafficking is crazy talk and must be censored?

There motive isn't pure, it's political.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201016/45b6208c81f3d5102d77ae479fe46af3.jpg

[RalliartRsX]

Has a sitting president posted such falsehoods in the past in twitter Corbic? Thats the point. The president is held to a much different standard than whatever you want to measure by.........no matter how you want to deflect, spin and just jump off the deep end.

Simple. He is the president of the free country. Stop posting false shit. Simple.

[RalliartRsX]

Is no one here talking about the potential Kidnapping of Witmer and *Northam by the domestic terrorist group.

That is the shit that twitter rightly so should be putting a clamp on. No matter a differing of political view, and well, regardless of your stance, your refusal to accept scientific fact, that does not give ANY group the right to kidnap a sitting state government official.

WTF were they planning to do once they did kidnapp her

[Phlip]

WTF were they planning to do once they did kidnapp her
Deliver her head to Pennsylvania Ave as a "gift."