The 2020 Presidential Race

[deolio]

I'm really looking forward to the shitshow and respective fallout

[zombiewolf513]

I'm really looking forward to the shitshow and respective fallout

Amen and Awoman


Governor of PA Tom Wolf planned a Trump flag burning event tomorrow. Unhinged.
https://www.dgs.pa.gov/Pages/Calendar.aspx
https://i.ibb.co/3WCCS9c/TomWolfe.png

[collegekid]

Should I go buy a gun or something? Kinda worried about this January 6th thing.


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[KA24DESOneThree]

Yeah. Make sure to go to a seedy gas station and ask for "a chopper." You'll get something quality and jam-free and the transaction is guaranteed to be trouble-free.

[brndck]

Amen and Awoman


Governor of PA Tom Wolf planned a Trump flag burning event tomorrow. Unhinged.


anythings possible when you lie.

The Governor is not the person organizing this event. Tom Wolf is not the person hosting or organizing this event. I can't find any reference anywhere to Wolf being attached to this event.

https://billypenn.com/2021/01/04/anti-trump-flag-burning-harrisburg-pennsylvania-government-website-calendar/

[KA24DESOneThree]

A conservative lying?

OMG we're starting off 2021 on the wrong foot!

How 'bout that phone call?

[deolio]

Looks like the GOP is entering full-on temper tantrum meltdown mode https://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-state/2021/01/05/Pa-Senate-refuses-to-seat-McKeesport-s-Brewster-in-contentious-swearing-in-ceremony/stories/202101050125

[kingkilburn]

How bout that Georgia Senate runoff?

D.C. + Puerto Rico statehood and the end of Republican relevance in national politics. It's gonna be a crazy couple of years.

[mr.nismo.]

Yay for no checks and balances...

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[Phlip]

"Checks and balances" has been a fucking lie for all of our lifetimes.

[brndck]

Yay for no checks and balances...

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yes, that's been working SO WELL these past 4 years.

:picardfp:

[RalliartRsX]

FUCK YOUR FEELINGS

ahhhhhh. Now that's off my chest.

So in 24 hrs

gop losing Senate majority
EC vote to be certified
proud assholes in DC get maced

What..........a.............fucking........whirlwi nd 24 hours

[Phlip]

proud assholes in DC get maced

Those were Antifa agitators planted to cause shit.

[mr.nismo.]

yes, that's been working SO WELL these past 4 years.



:picardfp:I didn't say they were perfect, but there were some. Left policies will get to be able to rampantly pass.

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[RalliartRsX]

I didn't say they were perfect, but there were some. Left policies will get to be able to rampantly pass.

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Can you please point to a "left" policy that would disrupt your utopian right wing ideals so much that you clutch your perls tighter??

You guys had 4 years of unchecked balance and passed all sorts of shitty right policy......or well, just fucking the people over by sitting on the Stimulus package since May when the house introduced a bill for 1200 and the right NOT doing fucking thing much less thier job.......

You and zombie should form the world's smallest violin squad

And no, you folks had ZERO checks and balances so stop bitching about it now.....YOu guys had unchecked balance where it mattered; the senate.

[mr.nismo.]

Can you please point to a "left" policy that would disrupt your utopian right wing ideals so much that you clutch your perls tighter??

You guys had 4 years of unchecked balance and passed all sorts of shitty right policy......or well, just fucking the people over by sitting on the Stimulus package since May when the house introduced a bill for 1200 and the right NOT doing fucking thing much less thier job........

I've stated where I'm right winged (which isn't everything).

See below why I'm not addressing the rest of this..


You and zombie should form the world's smallest violin squad

And no, you folks had ZERO checks and balances so stop bitching about it now.....


I get zombie and green arrow have been trolling, but I've been nothing but straight discussion with you guys. So if you want to be a fucking dick and talk to me that way, then I'm not going to waste my time.

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[RalliartRsX]

mr nismo, I will give you that. My bad for lack of respect.

But after all the "fuck your feelings! lies, bullshit, racism, and every day a fucking scandal, its just nice to getthat off the chest

Fair. Now, lets go back to my original question; I really do not track your postings. So remind, what is so bad about a few left policies that bring you to the point of "oh great! NO checks and balances!" view point? Why was this not an issue the past 4 years when policies in your favor were passed?? Is government not suppose to work for the people, who voted against the right wing mandate?? Isn't this suppose to be a compromised??

[Phlip]

McConnell: "look... y'all are wasting our time here"

[kingkilburn]

Checks and Balances is abso-fucking-lutely NOT left right parity. A lot of dumb shit has been said and implied in this thread, that might take the cake.

[Phlip]

Querying the room here...
Y'all still support shooting rioters in the face or no?

[brndck]

Querying the room here...
Y'all still support shooting rioters in the face or no?

depends. if they're in Black and Gold, theyre patriots
if not, theyre fascist Antifascists and clearly they hate America.

[RalliartRsX]

Querying the room here...
Y'all still support shooting rioters in the face or no?

I would love to see an answer to this but we already know what the right will say and hand wave it away

[KA24DESOneThree]

Lots of restraint by LE.

This is some third-world shit.

[deolio]

McConnell: "look... y'all are wasting our time here"

Is it weird that I actually gained respect for McConnell watching his speech (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mcconnell-senate-speech-republican-election-challenge/)?

This shit's idiotic. https://twitter.com/TaylerUSA/status/1346913549898149888?s=20

[mav1178]

I don't like to discuss politics on car forums (for obvious reasons) but it's worth mentioning...

only took 159 years, but the Confederate flag is now inside the US Capitol building. Makes me confused...

Are we MAGA, or MCGA?

[KA24DESOneThree]

It's been inside every year on pins, cell phone cases, and clothing, but it's never been accompanied by a break-in and a descent into lawlessness based on false claims and a cult of personality.

It's neither MAGA or MCGA- they're looking for MTGA, as in Make Trumperica Great Again. There is no America without Trump in these peoples' eyes. He is the God-Emperor.

[Future240]

Maga is down for Trump.

Not America, not conservatism, not republicans. Just Trump.

[Future240]

Trump just released a video saying the election was stolen, but the rioters need to go home. Then starts saying again how the election was stolen

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1346928882595885058

[mav1178]

It's been inside every year on pins, cell phone cases, and clothing, but it's never been accompanied by a break-in and a descent into lawlessness based on false claims and a cult of personality.


I was mostly pointing out how the Civil War could've ended up with the Confederate flag flying in DC, but the South accomplished that in 2021 via a personality cult and "freedom of speech" protections.

CSA! CSA! CSA!

Edit: mostly just pointing out the hypocrisy of people that are "for America" and flying the Confederate battle flag in the Capitol building.

[kingkilburn]

The Tea Party problem has finally come home to roost. They were never Republican, Conservative, or Christian. They're ethno-nationalist fascist and the Republican Party is desperate for any means of leverage it can get.

No one should be shocked by this.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Where were the unscalable fences?

Where was the protection?

Weeks/months of these fucking children saying "January 6th, you'll find out." "January 6th is the day." "We'll see you in DC on January 6th" and yet the security was lax.

Because it wasn't BLM?

"This isn't representative of all Red Hats."

"Not all Conservatives are like this."

"Not all Republicans are like this."

I wonder if Corbic and Zombie are talking about SRs in the back of a DC cruiser.

[deolio]

I wonder if Corbic and Zombie are talking about SRs in the back of a DC cruiser.

Nah, they're busy cleaning their guns in the cuck dungeons, getting ready to commit homicides because people on the internet challenged the validity of their conspiracy theories.

[kingkilburn]

To whom it may concern

9ZmP9OO7FWY

[brndck]

Where were the unscalable fences?

Where was the protection?

Weeks/months of these fucking children saying "January 6th, you'll find out." "January 6th is the day." "We'll see you in DC on January 6th" and yet the security was lax.



those are only for terrorists like Antifa and BLM, not good American Patriots, like the ones who assaulted police today, brought explosive devices, and stormed the nations capitol

[CrimsonRockett]

Wonder how long it'll take for the memes to come up on that chick who just got shot and killed inside the capitol.

https://www.businessinsider.com/woman-shot-in-capitol-amid-pro-trump-protest-2021-1

Guess she "fucked around and found out".

[zombiewolf513]

Wonder how long it'll take for the memes to come up on that chick who just got shot and killed inside the capitol.

https://www.businessinsider.com/woman-shot-in-capitol-amid-pro-trump-protest-2021-1

Guess she "fucked around and found out".

Why are you such a nigger?

[deolio]

Why are you such a nigger?

Following Trump's example and asking for a timeout as well, huh?

[Phlip]

Why are you such a nigger?

Quoting post before someone attempts to edit.

[kingkilburn]

Why are you such a nigger?

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/032/425/Screen_Shot_2020-01-14_at_10.34.57_AM.jpg

[zerodameaon]

I want a ban!

Good bye Zombiewolf

[zerodameaon]

Quoting post before someone attempts to edit.

Admins can see edit history when you report a reply.

[Future240]

Well damn. I log off for a hot second and zombie is fucking banned lol.

[Future240]

Well damn. I log off for a hot second and zombie is fucking banned lol.

[!Zar!]

I mean, I knew he was waiting to use that term.

But for some reason I was expecting him to do better.

[RalliartRsX]

Good fucking riddance to that piece of shit.......

No tolerance for shit like that. Ever.....ESPECIALLY after the shit that went down today

[deolio]

All these Trumpsters just shooting themselves in the foot and neck, left, right, up and down. For people who tout gun ownership in posterity, they better learn some fuckin firearm safety.

[FaLKoN240]

I really feel like they can make 2020 into a movie and this will definitely be the climax of the rising action.

What a wild season finale.

I'm seriously locking this thread after the senate finishes up the electoral college votes.

Let's move forward.

[kingkilburn]

25th Amendment thread? Pence dipped from the Senate chamber in a hurry.

[collegekid]

I mean we got like 2 weeks left can we keep it open till then?


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[Phlip]

I mean, I knew he was waiting to use that term.

But for some reason I was expecting him to do better.

Personally, I was kind of upset that he never shared this bombshell evidence that would have helped his emperor overturn the election. It is also as if he used getting banned as a way around having to provide it.

Admins can see edit history when you report a reply.
I know... Y'all aren't admins though

[LEG1T]

Nothing surprising today. They want war just as I called it..

I always knew most Trump supporters were just racist, alternate reality, in-empathetic people that do not give a damn about anyone but themselves.

Glad the democrats sweeped there ass right out of Georgia.

Excited and happy can’t wait to move forward.

Fuck Racist and those that try and hide behind his veil of ignorance. We see right through you.

I see most of the users on here that were proudly pro trump have found there hole.

[Dutchmalmiss]

double post

[Dutchmalmiss]

Haha glad to see zombie gone. He's probably just gonna heckle more people on another forum. Surprised he had time to post while he was walking around in the capitol building.

[mrmephistopheles]

Those were Antifa agitators planted to cause shit.
I heard this multiple times on CSPAN today from callers. So much No True Scotsman you'd think Scotsmen didn't exist.

I don't like to discuss politics on car forums (for obvious reasons)
That's why I made LOUD NOISES, so people wouldn't crap up the rest of the forum with threads like this.
Why are you such a nigger?

So I'm not sure if you'll see it seeing as you're now banned, and I don't recall which forums are public.

Anyway, thanks for showing everybody that I was right.

[zerodameaon]

I know... Y'all aren't admins though

You know what is funny, I didn't even realize I was replying to you. If I had just looked your name I would have seen WHY you were quoting that. Derp

[deolio]

Whelp, it's official guys, the only thing out of the ordinary to happen 1/6 was a bunch of inbred hillbillies trespassed on government property to steal a podium and not much else. Congrats zombie, you sure were right! :picardfp:

[ghost_silvia]

Wonder if Zombie knew the lady that got shot? Would explain his last comment.

[Phlip]

Wonder if Zombie knew the lady that got shot? Would explain his last comment.

There is no explaining or excusing that shit.
He was immediately and permanently banned. He had to know what he was doing and apparently saw it as some kind of honorable suicide since he expended so much energy in trolling while pretending to be some kind of moral and intellectual authority. He is not a martyr.

[S14rebuild]

Lmao- im still here! Hi, philp

[Phlip]

Are you still obsessed with slavery? It is completely unsurprising that you show up when some inexcusably racist shit has taken place, and worth noting that if ANY other moderator or admin who saw what you did before I did, then you would not be here now. I say that to say that you may want to choose your words carefully.
Also, shut the fuck up Fryburg

[S14rebuild]

Are you still obsessed with slavery? It is completely unsurprising that you show up when some inexcusably racist shit has taken place, and worth noting that if ANY other moderator or admin who saw what you did before I did, then you would not be here now. I say that to say that you may want to choose your words carefully.
Also, shut the fuck up Fryburg


Ohhh wow u know my name! Scaryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy


Edit....it does show how pathic, and frankly how much time uve put up, outside the forum to do research and talk to other mods about me... that is pure bliss to know.

[ghost_silvia]

There is no explaining or excusing that shit.
He was immediately and permanently banned. He had to know what he was doing and apparently saw it as some kind of honorable suicide since he expended so much energy in trolling while pretending to be some kind of moral and intellectual authority. He is not a martyr.
I wasn't offering up an excuse for his ignorance. Just poking fun at his cult members. It would have just been easier for him to say the word from the beginning instead of beating around the bush.

[Phlip]

I wasn't offering up an excuse for his ignorance. Just poking fun at his cult members. It would have just been easier for him to say the word from the beginning instead of beating around the bush.

No one was surprised. In general, people like him tend to support and push the worst version of humanity, then present bad faith arguments as to why they're not racist until they just can't keep gaslighting. It usually comes in the form of one pining for the days when he could lynch someone or normalizing why brown people needed to be shot, but then ignoring how a few thousand non-brown yahoos can storm the capitol and only one of them takes a bullet for their troubles.

Meanwhile, back on topic.
Will Mitch ever admit that it was quite directly his fault that the GOP lost Georgia, or will he just retire and never mention it?
How poetic was it to see Lindsey Graham, who has been lapdog #1 since January 21, 2017 giving up on him last night?
The "president" says there will be a transfer of power on Jan 20th, still without using the word "concede," which I guess will be as much as we get on that.
If someone incites a riot, then retreats to hide in his dining room to watch it on TV and four people die, can they be charged in the deaths?

[KA24DESOneThree]

Guess she "fucked around and found out".

Ex-military with experience in security. She took an oath she apparently twisted because she lacked critical thinking skills. Fucking sad, man.

She crossed the line after multiple warnings. It was the line, not some random doorway. No one else tried to pass that line. Shame some woman blinded by propaganda had to die to prove a point.

[Phlip]

Ex-military with experience in security. She took an oath she apparently twisted because she lacked critical thinking skills. Fucking sad, man.

She crossed the line after multiple warnings. It was the line, not some random doorway. No one else tried to pass that line. Shame some woman blinded by propaganda had to die to prove a point.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[CrimsonRockett]

Ex-military with experience in security. She took an oath she apparently twisted because she lacked critical thinking skills. Fucking sad, man.

She crossed the line after multiple warnings. It was the line, not some random doorway. No one else tried to pass that line. Shame some woman blinded by propaganda had to die to prove a point.

https://i.imgur.com/mgkh2B9_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand

Gotta admit it gave me a chuckle this morning.

She literally meme'd herself.

[mrmephistopheles]

words

Just to make it clear, your continued presence here is at my pleasure. This forum does not need you here.

If you continue to be abusive, wilfully ignorant, hateful, or even suggest being racist, you're gone. We've been far too magnanimous tolerating the trolling from you and your ilk.

I'm not interested in silencing voices, so if you have an argument, make it.

Otherwise, I don't recommend you mistake my kindness for weakness.

[kingkilburn]

https://i.imgur.com/mgkh2B9_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand

Gotta admit it gave me a chuckle this morning.

She literally meme'd herself.

An hero is she

[Phlip]

An hero is she

Someone said on Twitter that she got to visit the capitol and meet Ronald Reagan on the same day and I have not been the same since.

[!Zar!]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GDTCXZsTVkI/maxresdefault.jpg

[brndck]

zombie did the only thing he could, and committed zilvia seppuku to catch a ban hammer, rather than face up to reality that hes a douche of monumental proportions, and it appears rebuild is here to take up his slack.

2021 is trying hard, right out of the gates, to not let us down after the shit show that was 2020.

[kingkilburn]

Pelosi is asking Pence to invoke the 25th in a press conference. Schumer tweeted that it needed invoked.
Trump is already on his way to Camp David.

Pence may have already invoked.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Here's what I don't get:

If "patriots" cannot trust their elected officials, their election officials, their electors, their court systems, or their law enforcement, what the fuck are they patriotic about?

"This country's great except everything that makes it a functional country. Fuck all that shit."

[deolio]

Here's what I don't get:

If "patriots" cannot trust their elected officials, their election officials, their electors, their court systems, or their law enforcement, what the fuck are they patriotic about?

"This country's great except everything that makes it a functional country. Fuck all that shit."

I think their reasoning is something along the lines of them wanting their country to be better, but their idea of the country being better is it being a land of lawlessness for straight god-fearing whites with no contraception, and a giant slave camp for anyone else.

[KA24DESOneThree]

We all want our country to be better, but we also acknowledge that certain institutions are the method by which it can become better.

Without a trustworthy judiciary, there is no way for the country to become better except through destruction and resurrection.

Edit: This gave mixed messages. I believe that, when dealing with matters of national electoral importance, our judiciary is extremely trustworthy.

[Future240]

Yeaaaaaa

(X)Doubt

Article Two, Section 1, Clause 6 of the Constitution says:

In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.[2]

This means that if the President is fired, dies, resigns, or is unable "to discharge [his] Powers and Duties" (unable to do the things a President has to do), the Vice President will take over their job. The Vice President will do the President's job until they get better (if they are just sick or disabled), or until the next Presidential election (if the President resigned or is dead). If neither the President nor the Vice President can do the President's job, Congress can decide who takes over the President's job. This is all the Constitution says about this subject.[2]

This clause was not very specific. It did not say:[2]

Who had the power to say a President was unable to do his job
Whether the Vice President would actually become President if he had to take over, or would just be "Acting President" (someone who did the President's job, but never got the title of "President")
Who would take the Vice President's job if he died, resigned, could not do his job, or had to take over for the President
How (or who) in Congress should decide who would take over if neither the President or the Vice President could do the President's job

[deolio]

Even if his impeachment doesn't pass the senate by the 20th, his impeachment would bar him from running for reelection in 2024, which seems to be where the majority of the support (from the republican party) is coming from.

[smellslikecurry]

Someone said on Twitter that she got to visit the capitol and meet Ronald Reagan on the same day and I have not been the same since.

Holy shit haha.

Can't wait to hear what excuses come out re: lack of security.

[kingkilburn]

Sergeant At Arms of the House resigned and Schumer is threatening to fire the Senate Sergeant At Arms if he doesn't resign too. Whatever Capitol Police let happen outside, it's entirely unacceptable that these two let this happen inside the Capitol. There was either no plan or no forethought that a plan would need to actually be carried out at some point. They split with all the offices open, computers on, cards in card readers, and left the fucking power on throughout out their evacuation period.

From beginning to end, all of this shit with Trump feels like it was a necessary growing pain of this democracy. These people think they're untouchable right up until they get slapped in the mouth. Far too much tradition and decorum with zero imagination for what is and could be. Highly frustrating.

[kingkilburn]

Capitol Police Chief resigned effective Jan 16 too. Utter shit show.

[Phlip]

Even if his impeachment doesn't pass the senate by the 20th, his impeachment would bar him from running for reelection in 2024, which seems to be where the majority of the support (from the republican party) is coming from.

Wait... He was supposed to survive to be able to run in 2024?
Fuck it, nevermind. He can run even if he doesn't survive.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-R5wsMcywoj8/X_cWosMvyaI/AAAAAAAADQo/DHNI33o75SEvUQgo4YPITM-xUiH-4gTWgCLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h270/IMG_20201110_153554.jpg

[LEG1T]

Loeffler conceding...

Amazing to see such lack of security for them at the capital, but let minorities even march and we see full riot gear with people getting snatched left and right.

The double standard entitled bullshit has been a both amazing and terrible to see at the same damn time.

buttttttt Anywayyyyy the shit show that is Trump & friends continues to play out sadly.

That train is coming to a slow stop, and can't wait for that.

[S14rebuild]

but let minorities even march and we see full riot gear with people getting snatched left and right.






america! I love this country just the way it is!!!

[Phlip]

I am still looking at Martial Law as the last unchecked block on my bingo card.
What about you guys?

[LEG1T]

I am still looking at Martial Law as the last unchecked block on my bingo card.
What about you guys?

Was soo close!!!

but I think that numbers gonna go uncalled... Shit got too real for the senators and I think they actually had there fill, so I say no more crazy antics since homeboys social media is on timeout.

[RalliartRsX]

And here we are.....

Social experiment of 2020 and beyond.

[Phlip]

Anyone surprised that at least one elected official participated in the terrorist riot yesterday?

https://wvmetronews.com/2021/01/06/w-va-delegate-just-sworn-in-among-the-rioters-storming-u-s-capitol/?utm_source=digg

[Phlip]

If someone incites a riot, then retreats to hide in his dining room to watch it on TV and four people die, can they be charged in the deaths?
Okay, so inciting a riot is a felony.
Culpable homicide laws have it that when a death occurs during or as a result of the commission of a felony, then the person behind the original felony can be held guilty for said death. Trust me, I spent a week and a half looking into how that works for a novel I wrote several years ago. Spend some time looking it up yourself if you don't.
Since the so-called president incited yesterday's riots and now four people have died, I am personally sitting aside and hoping to see him brought up on charges for it.

[S14rebuild]

^ SOOOOO....the same could be said for BLM and antifa members..... i dont see 1 of them arrested and charged with that...

[Phlip]

Yeah, I remember that one BLM Antifa rally when the president of the organization (because they're totally the same thing) told his subjects to rush the Capitol Building and just run around housing shit. That was wild.
Shut the fuck up, Fryberg. Bad faith argument and "what about"-ism won't ever make you right. Like when you were wrong about magically invalidating enough electoral votes to make congress or the supreme court have to decide to decide the presidency.

Black people all over watched this shit amazed, saying "if we had tried some shit like this, the National Guard would have been there waiting for us and it'd be a massacre." And no, the three tokens you might produce in the whole crowd won't change that sentiment.

[S14rebuild]

Lmao. Yea turn a blind eye.... ignorance isnt an excuse.

Your a sad sad human being philp....

[SimpleS14]

I'm not shocked or surprised with what happened on Jan. 6th. The comparison/stark difference with BLM protests from both the participant and LEO perspective is hard to ignore or forget.

IMO, what happened was not a protest nor was it a riot....it was an attempted insurrection against the Congressional branch of the Federal government.



Ironically, now is the perfect time for Trump to resign. He can leave on his own terms and not face impeachment (again) or the 25th amendment. Also Pence can issue Trump a pardon and might not face much blowback from the GOP.

[Future240]

Let us not forget

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/07/us/police-response-black-lives-matter-protest-us-capitol/index.html

[brndck]

Ironically, now is the perfect time for Trump to resign. He can leave on his own terms and not face impeachment (again) or the 25th amendment. Also Pence can issue Trump a pardon and might not face much blowback from the GOP.

splitting hairs, but you cant get pardoned for something until theres a trial and you're convicted of it.

thus far, trumpy hasn't been indicted, tried, and convicted, so theres no circumstances under which pence could pardon him for anything.

[brndck]

Let us not forget

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/07/us/police-response-black-lives-matter-protest-us-capitol/index.html

yes but THOSE were fascist Antifa communist Marxist socialist libtard snowflake terrorists. They DESERVE to get shot in the face for asking police to not shoot them in the face.

THESE are handpicked by god/trump, good ol American patriot heroes, just trying to overthrow a democratic election. Whats the problem here???

[SimpleS14]

splitting hairs, but you cant get pardoned for something until theres a trial and you're convicted of it.

thus far, trumpy hasn't been indicted, tried, and convicted, so theres no circumstances under which pence could pardon him for anything.


The precedent was set when Gerald Ford did this for Richard Nixon. A commutation is what requires a conviction in order to be valid.


However, unlike the past, I can see this pardon being challenged or Trump being forced to testify in court for charges against others since he can no longer plead the 5th.

[brndck]

^ SOOOOO....the same could be said for BLM and antifa members..... i dont see 1 of them arrested and charged with that...

I mean literally youre either full of shit or willfully ignorant.
you aren't even posing a valid argument, just spouting bullshit with nothing remotely close to evidence to back it up

https://theintercept.com/2020/08/27/black-lives-matter-protesters-terrorism-felony-charges/

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/01/06/capitol-rioters-treatment-draws-cries-hypocrisy-minorities/6570335002/

[RalliartRsX]

Th best line this week: Those are antifa dressed as trump supporters

Can I also say that those were trump supporters dressed up as Antifa/BLM over the summer??

[brndck]

The precedent was set when Gerald Ford did this for Richard Nixon. A commutation is what requires a conviction in order to be valid.
However, unlike the past, I can see this pardon being challenged or Trump being forced to testify in court for charges against others since he can no longer plead the 5th.

yeah, I see your point. Nixon was indeed never tried or convicted for the things he resigned over. I stand corrected.

Also, "After Ford left the White House in 1977, he privately justified his pardon of Nixon by carrying in his wallet a portion of the text of Burdick v. United States, a 1915 U.S. Supreme Court decision that stated that a pardon carries an imputation of guilt and that its acceptance carries a confession of guilt.[4][5] "

from the Wikipedia page, but also other sources corroborate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon

[Phlip]

Can I also say that those were trump supporters dressed up as Antifa/BLM over the summer??

At one of the protests here in my city, two people were arrested for JUST that. Imbedded themselves and broke a window at a civil rights museum attempting to stir up shit.

[RalliartRsX]

The girl that died? Full on Parlor and posted every single conspiracy theory under the sun

Yeah, she did a very good job "pretending"

[brndck]

Th best line this week: Those are antifa dressed as trump supporters

Can I also say that those were trump supporters dressed up as Antifa/BLM over the summer??

At one of the protests here in my city, two people were arrested for JUST that. Imbedded themselves and broke a window at a civil rights museum attempting to stir up shit.

there were in fact, confirmed instances of this

https://www.wsls.com/news/virginia/2020/07/27/police-richmond-riots-instigated-by-white-supremacists-disguised-as-black-lives-matter/

I haven't seen any confirmed instances of left-wing perpetrators infiltrating a right-wing event and acting in a way that would make them look bad.

my own personal opinion is that there is no NEED for such a thing. they make themselves look ridiculous, moronic, and absurd already. they don't need any help with that.

[Future240]

Ruh oh


https://www.kktv.com/2021/01/07/fbi-asks-for-help-identifying-people-involved-with-violence-at-the-us-capitol-on-wednesday/
wfla.com/news/national/shirtless-man-wearing-horns-at-us-capitol-demonstration-identified/
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/07/us/capitol-riots-people-fired-jobs-trnd/index.html

[RalliartRsX]

I am surprised these folks weren't already being tracked by the FBI/FBI is already well aware of their location. That is what Parlor is for....

For a majority, this is definitely NOT the first trump rally they attended over the years. In addition, this certain gentleman has been photographed at other rallies.

And last I check, if you are on Parlor and deep into the conspiracy bullshit and similar, you were labelled as being part of a Domestic terrorist group several years ago.....

[KA24DESOneThree]

Black people all over watched this shit amazed, saying "if we had tried some shit like this, the National Guard would have been there waiting for us and it'd be a massacre." And no, the three tokens you might produce in the whole crowd won't change that sentiment.

As a white person, I was outraged but I cannot even imagine the way people of color saw this.

If conservatives don't see this as a landmark case of institutionalized racism, I don't know what to say.

[S14rebuild]

As a white person, I was outraged but I cannot even imagine the way people of color saw this.

If conservatives don't see this as a landmark case of institutionalized racism, I don't know what to say.


Softie......

[Phlip]

As a white person, I was outraged but I cannot even imagine the way people of color saw this.

If conservatives don't see this as a landmark case of institutionalized racism, I don't know what to say.

My facebook feed was a collective "where is the national guard?" "why aren't they shooting them?" Absolute incredulity that a forced entry was not met with the same force as brown people saw just a few months prior despite making no attempts to storm the castle.
I said "where is Lee Malvo when you need him?"

[kingkilburn]

You cannot pardon a coconspirator. You also cannot pardon to further a conspiracy to commit crime.

None of Trump's pardons of his buddies will stand and Pence pardoning him kills any plausible deniability that Pence wasn't fully aware of the crimes as they were being committed.

[S14rebuild]

Simple.....BURN...LOOT...MURDER


thats why.....

[kingkilburn]

Simple.....BURN...LOOT...MURDER


thats why.....

So how long a leash on this one this time?

[S14rebuild]

So how long a leash on this one this time?

Wow.... black guy talkn about a leash...seems pretty racist to me..

Philp wheres kingkilburns ban for that?

[kingkilburn]

I got your ban hangin here.

[Phlip]

Wow.... black guy talkn about a leash...seems pretty racist to me..

Philp wheres kingkilburns ban for that?
This is legitimately the last time I warn you to leave me out of your shit. Don't address me in any post that doesn't concern me, don't PM me. Don't even purposely misspell my name to try and create deniability.

How about you respond to this:
Just to make it clear, your continued presence here is at my pleasure. This forum does not need you here.

If you continue to be abusive, wilfully ignorant, hateful, or even suggest being racist, you're gone. We've been far too magnanimous tolerating the trolling from you and your ilk.

I'm not interested in silencing voices, so if you have an argument, make it.

Otherwise, I don't recommend you mistake my kindness for weakness.

[RalliartRsX]

Wow.... black guy talkn about a leash...seems pretty racist to me..

Philp wheres kingkilburns ban for that?

A dog leash =/= noose

Do you not know the difference? You can't be that ignorant?

[Future240]

Now we got murder charges

https://www.weny.com/story/43143779/federal-murder-investigation-to-be-opened-in-capitol-police-officers-death

[Future240]

My my are those consequences??

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-protests-fallout/some-u-s-capitol-rioters-fired-after-internet-detectives-identify-them-idUSKBN29C36M?feedType=mktg&feedName=topNews&WT.mc_id=Partner-Google

[Phlip]

My my are those consequences??

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-protests-fallout/some-u-s-capitol-rioters-fired-after-internet-detectives-identify-them-idUSKBN29C36M?feedType=mktg&feedName=topNews&WT.mc_id=Partner-Google
But muh freedom of speech!

[brndck]

Now we got murder charges

https://www.weny.com/story/43143779/federal-murder-investigation-to-be-opened-in-capitol-police-officers-death

Wait a second, I thought MAGAts LOVE the blue line???

Or is that only when it?s used as a classist tool weaponized against others?

[FaLKoN240]

Now we got murder charges

Federal murder investigation to be opened in Capitol Police officer's death (https://www.weny.com/story/43143779/federal-murder-investigation-to-be-opened-in-capitol-police-officers-death)



https://i.imgflip.com/4t3gjh.jpg

[S14rebuild]

A dog leash =/= noose

Do you not know the difference? You can't be that ignorant?

Leash....

https://www.google.com/search?q=black+slave+on+a+leash&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwj0gMbgjo3uAhUmeDABHegNDmIQ2-cCegQIABAB&oq=black+slave+on+a+leash&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQAzoECCMQJzoECB4 QClDcGFjrImCpJWgAcAB4AIABwAGIAb4IkgEDMC43mAEAoAEBw AEB&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=bLj4X_SaDqbwwbkP6Ju4kAY&bih=678&biw=412&prmd=visn#imgrc=tHWe_eBx0qYZXM

Yea...its not racist what he said at all.....

[S14rebuild]

This is legitimately the last time I warn you to leave me out of your shit. Don't address me in any post that doesn't concern me, don't PM me. Don't even purposely misspell my name to try and create deniability.

How about you respond to this:

Im not responing to you, im responding to your qoute so dont freak out bestie....



I know this forum doesnt need me...would be weird for a bunch of grown men wanting/needing a chatroom full of boys playing with cars.. but what ever floats ur boat/tickles ur pickle.

[kingkilburn]

Leash....

https://www.google.com/search?q=black+slave+on+a+leash&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwj0gMbgjo3uAhUmeDABHegNDmIQ2-cCegQIABAB&oq=black+slave+on+a+leash&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQAzoECCMQJzoECB4 QClDcGFjrImCpJWgAcAB4AIABwAGIAb4IkgEDMC43mAEAoAEBw AEB&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=bLj4X_SaDqbwwbkP6Ju4kAY&bih=678&biw=412&prmd=visn#imgrc=tHWe_eBx0qYZXM

Yea...its not racist what he said at all.....

You do realize we can see what you searched to find that specific picture, right? You aren't/can't be that transparently stupid.

[mrmephistopheles]

Simple.....BURN...LOOT...MURDER


thats why.....

Do you support the death penalty?

How about you respond to this:
Was going to say the he doesn't have the testicular fortitude to reply, but he had enough to make a reply about it, just not to me.

I know this forum doesnt need me...would be weird for a bunch of grown men wanting/needing a chatroom full of boys playing with cars.. but what ever floats ur boat/tickles ur pickle.

You didn't catch my point, clearly so let me break it down Barney-style:

Keep being antagonistic instead of making logical arguments, you're gone.

Or:
Play nice or get iced.

[FaLKoN240]

https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106820154-1610134632566-106820154-1609964834963-gettyimages-1230454190-AFP_8YA7NV.jpg?v=1610134651&w=678&h=381

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/politics/us-capitol-riots-arrest-pelosi-desk/index.html

Too early to celebrate. I can see these guys getting off saying something like, "I was under orders by the president" or something.

[FaLKoN240]

https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106820154-1610134632566-106820154-1609964834963-gettyimages-1230454190-AFP_8YA7NV.jpg?v=1610134651&w=678&h=381

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/politics/us-capitol-riots-arrest-pelosi-desk/index.html

Too early to celebrate. I can see these guys getting off saying something like, "I was under orders by the president" or something.

[S14rebuild]

You do realize we can see what you searched to find that specific picture, right? You aren't/can't be that transparently stupid.

No shit....There was nothing secretive about it

[S14rebuild]

You didn't catch my point, clearly so let me break it down Barney-style:

Keep being antagonistic instead of making logical arguments, you're gone.

Or:
Play nice or get iced.


Tell philp to follow your rules then.....he likes to antagonize fourm users by posting personal information. Hes gone out his way to search for....just sayn.

What benefit does he have to do such? If not to antagonize and not add to the "logical argument"

[KA24DESOneThree]

My facebook feed was a collective "where is the national guard?" "why aren't they shooting them?" Absolute incredulity that a forced entry was not met with the same force as brown people saw just a few months prior despite making no attempts to storm the castle.
I said "where is Lee Malvo when you need him?"

Bear with me on this response, if you would.

I graduated high school with full-blown neoconservativism. I couldn't understand that I was a misogynistic, bigoted asshole because I was ignorant. I didn't understand how others could think differently than I did and I didn't understand that different life paths led to different possible outcomes. I was introduced to Ayn Rand and became an anarchocapitalist, then I started thinking, so I became a Libertarian, then I kept thinking and now I'm whatever the fuck I am. I realized fairly early that growth is a function of learning, and learning is a function of being willing to learn, and being willing to learn is a function of understanding things from different viewpoints.

I realized only in the past few years that I have to listen to people who experience things from a different viewpoint to learn about the biases they experience daily. I have to listen to people of color, I have to listen to economically disadvantaged people, I have to listen to educationally disadvantaged people, I have to listen to environmentally disadvantaged people. All these people give me a more holistic picture of my country- and its effects on the world. I can take this holistic picture and make more informed decisions about voting and about the ethicality of certain stances.

s14 is blind. He cannot see the similarities and differences between June 1, 2020 and January 6, 2021. He's unwilling to listen to different viewpoints. He doesn't want to see because he's ignorant. My father-in-law's like him- the moment I call him "ignorant," he shuts down because it's a perceived slur. It's not a slur- it's a wake-up call. Ignorance isn't bliss, and the lack of holistic thought means your belief system and end product is half-baked. Our country is supposed to be free and fair, and it's neither, and it's up to us to elect the right people to make it so.

Expand your mind. Be willing to understand different points of view. Some people are wrong- but some people are right.

[SimpleS14]

https://twitter.com/11thHour/status/1346958469073661953

Too early to celebrate. I can see these guys getting off saying something like, "I was under orders by the president" or something.

IMO, that type of defense will not stand and could put Trump in further legal culpability.

[Phlip]

Tell philp to follow your rules then.....he likes to antagonize fourm users by posting personal information. Hes gone out his way to search for....just sayn.

What benefit does he have to do such? If not to antagonize and not add to the "logical argument"

I got your name from YOU right here on the forum, you ignorant racist sack of shit.
You have two choices here... Accept what I am telling you and shut the fuck up, or make me show all these people your first and last name right here in this thread.

[Phlip]

Very fine people indeed:
https://www.revolt.tv/news/2021/1/7/22219433/man-died-at-us-capitol-tasering-himself

OAN, Pelosi going forward with second impeachment on Monday for incitement and insurrection. He will be the first president to be impeached twice. For someone obsessed with his own image, he might die of an aneurism on Tuesday if he doesn't declare war on Agraba.

[kingkilburn]

At some point you can't entertain people like him. You guys all gave him his red line and he's crossing it repeatedly. This is a perfect microcosm of the larger culture. There's no discourse with cavemem throwing shit everywhere.

Light him up like the capitol police should have done his klansmen.

[S14rebuild]

Light him up like the capitol police should have done his klansmen.


Insighting violence........ha typical of ur bloods and cribs brothers

[mrmephistopheles]

Keep being antagonistic instead of making logical arguments, you're gone.


Insighting violence........ha typical of ur bloods and cribs brothers

Byeeeee

Good riddance.

[deolio]

Insighting violence........ha typical of ur bloods and cribs brothers

Oh look! Another red tictac boi lining up to shoot himself in the foot because he can't deal with losing :rolleyes:



Unrelated to dumbfuckery:

At this point I think ranked choice voting is the single thing that could save American Democracy. It would enable people to more easily vote for INDIVIDUALS instead of voting along party lines, which, I believe, would dissolve this whole left versus right divisive bullshit. It would level the playing field and would also eliminate the need for primaries, making campaigning cheaper. Only possible downside is some dimwits may find it confusing and counting votes may be more labor-intensive (in the case of a re-count). I understand there are a lot of lazy dimwits in this country, but I don't think that should stop progress.

[kingkilburn]

Byeeeee

Good riddance.

https://nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/memecreator-cdn/media/__processed__/f62/template-everyone-liked-that-0c6db91aec9c.jpg

[brndck]

At this point I think ranked choice voting is the single thing that could save American Democracy. It would enable people to more easily vote for INDIVIDUALS instead of voting along party lines, which, I believe, would dissolve this whole left versus right divisive bullshit. It would level the playing field and would also eliminate the need for primaries, making campaigning cheaper. Only possible downside is some dimwits may find it confusing and counting votes may be more labor-intensive (in the case of a re-count). I understand there are a lot of lazy dimwits in this country, but I don't think that should stop progress.

ranked choice would be awesome.
i'm all in favor.

[kingkilburn]

At this point I think ranked choice voting is the single thing that could save American Democracy...

I think the new Senate needs to vote on DC statehood immediately. The House needs to vote on Puerto Rico statehood and pass it on to the Senate.

Ranked Choice and four more Democrats in the Senate kill the Republican Party on the national stage. From there the necessary reforms like redistricting, voting rights, citizens united, etc, are easy to move forward.

[mav1178]

I think the new Senate needs to vote on DC statehood immediately. The House needs to vote on Puerto Rico statehood and pass it on to the Senate.

Ranked Choice and four more Democrats in the Senate kill the Republican Party on the national stage. From there the necessary reforms like redistricting, voting rights, citizens united, etc, are easy to move forward.

The easiest fix is also the hardest fix: term limits for Congress.

Much like lifetime appointments on the federal judiciary level, Congress can do whatever it wants because there are a handful of people in there that can stay as long as they want.

I never understood why judges in states have limits subject to elections, while federal appointees are lifetime. California for example allows judges to be appointed by the governor for 6 or 12 year terms, and they are subject to voter approval or rejection at the next general election when their term expires.

[mav1178]

Also: only took 4 years, but Trump is finally permabanned from Twitter.

[Phlip]

Byeeeee

Good riddance.

Oh damn... I wanted him to challenge me and make me show everyone how he was the architect of his own undoing.

Also: only took 4 years, but Trump is finally permabanned from Twitter.

He will be on Parler until they get fucking sued into oblivion

[Phlip]

What is the constitutionality of removing the nuclear football from his control early? I mean, impeachment or the 25th will take more than the 12 days remaining and we can already see he is unstable

[mr.nismo.]

I think the new Senate needs to vote on DC statehood immediately. The House needs to vote on Puerto Rico statehood and pass it on to the Senate.

Ranked Choice and four more Democrats in the Senate kill the Republican Party on the national stage. From there the necessary reforms like redistricting, voting rights, citizens united, etc, are easy to move forward.

This sounds like changing the rules to get what you want. I agree with ranked choice as you should be about voting for a candidate than a party. Do you agree with packing the supreme court, too?

The easiest fix is also the hardest fix: term limits for Congress.

Much like lifetime appointments on the federal judiciary level, Congress can do whatever it wants because there are a handful of people in there that can stay as long as they want.

I never understood why judges in states have limits subject to elections, while federal appointees are lifetime. California for example allows judges to be appointed by the governor for 6 or 12 year terms, and they are subject to voter approval or rejection at the next general election when their term expires.

This i wholeheartedly agree with. Elected officials should have to make choices that affect them as well, not at the end of their lives well off on their own.

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[mrmephistopheles]

Also: only took 4 years, but Trump is finally permabanned from Twitter.

Fa,fo.

Oh damn... I wanted him to challenge me and make me show everyone how he was the architect of his own undoing.


I already apologized. Lol

[Phlip]

I already apologized. Lol

Indeed.
I mean, he made casual jokes about putting people in chains, killing my puppy, seemed to be obsessed with BLM, wished to lynch a black member, refused to let up on his man crush on me and now this. Fuck Fryburg.
Looks like no one is left now

[SimpleS14]

Also: only took 4 years, but Trump is finally permabanned from Twitter.


He even tired to evade the ban with the @POTUS handle and they were quickly deleted: https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/8/22221683/trump-tried-to-evade-his-ban-with-potus-but-those-tweets-were-instantly-deleted

[kingkilburn]

This sounds like changing the rules to get what you want. I agree with ranked choice as you should be about voting for a candidate than a party. Do you agree with packing the supreme court, too?

We could always recombine the Dakotas and return them and Wyoming to federal territory status, since we're all about sticking to rules now.

Please point to where in the Constitution it specifies the number of Supreme Court justices.


This i wholeheartedly agree with. Elected officials should have to make choices that affect them as well, not at the end of their lives well off on their own.

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I'm sorry. Are we changing rules to get what we want?

[smellslikecurry]

Opinions on this? Pretty much hit the nail on the head.

"The storming of the US Capitol on January 6 is easily misunderstood. Shaken by the ordeal, members of Congress have issued statements explaining that America is a nation of laws, not mobs. The implication is that the disruption incited by President Donald Trump is something new. It is not. The United States has a long history of mob violence stoked by white politicians in the service of rich white Americans. What was unusual this time is that the white mob turned on the white politicians, rather than the people of color who are usually the victims." -Jeffrey Sachs (Economist)

[Future240]

THREAD CHANGE.

Now we discuss how Joe Biden does as a president.

[Future240]

THREAD CHANGE.

Now we discuss how Joe Biden does as a president.

[mr.nismo.]

We could always recombine the Dakotas and return them and Wyoming to federal territory status, since we're all about sticking to rules now.

Please point to where in the Constitution it specifies the number of Supreme Court justices.




I'm sorry. Are we changing rules to get what we want?


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Actually, I'm good. Zombie and rebuild were being fuck faces, but I at least tried to have debate. The last times I've replied I received a rude/condescending remark, so whatever. Really no point in wasting anyone's time.

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[LEG1T]

Glad to see those racists assholes banned. They showed all the side effects so it was only matter of time for them to test positive for the disease.

Anyone else don’t care for the impeachment?? I actually would even care either way as long as Trump is out of there on time.

[deolio]

Opinions on this? Pretty much hit the nail on the head.

"The storming of the US Capitol on January 6 is easily misunderstood. Shaken by the ordeal, members of Congress have issued statements explaining that America is a nation of laws, not mobs. The implication is that the disruption incited by President Donald Trump is something new. It is not. The United States has a long history of mob violence stoked by white politicians in the service of rich white Americans. What was unusual this time is that the white mob turned on the white politicians, rather than the people of color who are usually the victims." -Jeffrey Sachs (Economist)

True. Our politicians have to act like they have the people under control to maintain a global image of power, which was completely eroded away by the events of the 6th. Going to take some serious boot-strapping to cobble this country back together :rofl:

Anyone else don?t care for the impeachment?? I actually would even care either way as long as Trump is out of there on time.

It would be nice to know he couldn't attempt to run again in 4 years. That's the only benefit besides a petty "only president to be impeached twice" record lol

[Phlip]

̶I̶t̶ ̶d̶o̶e̶s̶n̶'̶t̶.̶ ̶B̶u̶t̶ ̶w̶h̶y̶ ̶n̶o̶w̶ ̶c̶h̶a̶n̶g̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶a̶m̶o̶u̶n̶t̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶i̶c̶e̶s̶ ̶n̶o̶w̶?̶
̶
̶A̶n̶d̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶t̶r̶y̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶s̶a̶y̶ ̶i̶n̶t̶r̶o̶d̶u̶c̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶e̶r̶m̶ ̶l̶i̶m̶i̶t̶s̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶s̶a̶m̶e̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶a̶d̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶m̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶p̶e̶o̶p̶l̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶l̶e̶a̶n̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶w̶a̶y̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶o̶v̶e̶r̶t̶h̶r̶o̶w̶ ̶p̶e̶o̶p̶l̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶l̶e̶a̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶?̶ ̶I̶ ̶m̶e̶a̶n̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶l̶i̶t̶e̶r̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶s̶a̶i̶d̶ ̶a̶d̶d̶ ̶m̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶p̶e̶o̶p̶l̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶p̶u̶s̶h̶ ̶l̶e̶g̶i̶s̶l̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶s̶e̶e̶ ̶f̶i̶t̶.̶ ̶
̶
̶A̶g̶a̶i̶n̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶I̶ ̶s̶a̶i̶d̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶r̶a̶l̶l̶i̶a̶r̶t̶.̶ ̶I̶'̶v̶e̶ ̶b̶e̶e̶n̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶s̶t̶r̶a̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ ̶d̶i̶s̶c̶u̶s̶s̶i̶o̶n̶,̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶I̶'̶m̶ ̶a̶l̶r̶e̶a̶d̶y̶ ̶s̶e̶e̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶d̶e̶s̶c̶e̶n̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶r̶e̶m̶a̶r̶k̶.̶ ̶


No wait, I want the smoke with this one.
We have had a history of leadership that has gotten power and then made it a game to maintain that power. That has always been the problem. A remedy to this would be term limits in congress AND the supreme court. Expanding the number of members of the court wouldn't make much of a difference if they were term limited as well. In theory, it would lead to a government working for more of the common good instead of just their political longevity.
Or...
We strip away some of their government funded security and see them left to fend for themselves when they piss off constitutents and the assaults start.

[Dutchmalmiss]

It would be nice to know he couldn't attempt to run again in 4 years. That's the only benefit besides a petty "only president to be impeached twice" record lol

He'd actually also lose
- $200k/year pension for the rest of his life
- $1m/year travel allowance
- lifetime secret service detail

Basically less leaching off our tax dollars.

[kingkilburn]

̶̶Actually, I'm good. Zombie and rebuild were being fuck faces, but I at least tried to have debate. The last times I've replied I received a rude/condescending remark, so whatever. Really no point in wasting anyone's time.

If you want to be disingenuous, self contradictory within one thought, and get your feelings hurt by it being pointed out PLEASE fuck off with the red tictac brigade. Every last one of you professes to be #notliketheothergirls and yet you all pull the same shit.

Your thoughts and opinions are never untouchable. If you can't handle that keep them to your damn self.

[kingkilburn]

Oh no. The balance of power will be shifted away from the primacy of my demographic. How else will I make sure those beneath me truly understand their rightful God given place.

Fucking crybabies.

[FaLKoN240]

If you want to be disingenuous, self contradictory within one thought, and get your feelings hurt by it being pointed out PLEASE fuck off with the red tictac brigade. Every last one of you professes to be #notliketheothergirls and yet you all pull the same shit.

Your thoughts and opinions are never untouchable. If you can't handle that keep them to your damn self.

Oh no. The balance of power will be shifted away from the primacy of my demographic. How else will I make sure those beneath me truly understand their rightful God-given place.

Fucking crybabies.

While it is not against the rules to swear, be crass, or rude I would whole heartily recommend treating others with the same amount of respect that you are given.

We may not always see eye to eye with other forum members, especially on the topics of politics but I have an astute amount of respect for people that can use succinct and respectful language to others when voicing opposite opinions. These are the same ideas, topics, and points of view that get us to critically think.

I would also like to point out that Mr. Nismo is not using conspiracy theory or other unprecedented trains of thought when speaking or giving counter-arguments.

If you're purposely railroading him into being the next red tic martyr by using disingenuous language to get him to stoop down to the late zombie and rebuild's level, that's pretty deplorable.

[LEG1T]

Yesssssssssss^^^^^

[mr.nismo.]

If you want to be disingenuous, self contradictory within one thought, and get your feelings hurt by it being pointed out PLEASE fuck off with the red tictac brigade. Every last one of you professes to be #notliketheothergirls and yet you all pull the same shit.



Your thoughts and opinions are never untouchable. If you can't handle that keep them to your damn self.You can point out whatever you want, that's the point of debate. Being condescending (and now being an ass with this reply) tells me you don't really give a fuck about hearing different view points. Yours is correct, and that's that, so there's no point in wasting anyone's time. You're part of the problem why people can't have conversations. I'm my own person, but apparently you're grouping me in as a racist with zombie and rebuild.. great fucking conversation [emoji1305]

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[mr.nismo.]

Oh no. The balance of power will be shifted away from the primacy of my demographic. How else will I make sure those beneath me truly understand their rightful God given place.

Fucking crybabies.

Are you fucking kidding me right now? You're really going this far to indirectly say I'm a racist?

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[kingkilburn]

If you want to go to war for American Conservatism that's what you're supporting. I'm not splitting hairs on this anymore.

Territories were made states purely to keep slavery and that era's Democrats in play. They never had the population and tax base to be proper states. So either return them to territories or make all territories of such standing states.


My opinions are loud, my position is clear, and I am anything but disingenuous. I don't appreciate the bullshit call out. You are not going to pull this on me after literally months of mother fuckers saying the shit to me you guys watched and discussed. Dude has been literally stalking me online and not a peep from any of you.

Sure, I'm the fucking problem.

[kingkilburn]

I'm beyond tired of this shit. These guys get to set the tone and make up their own rules of discourse on the fly and everyone else is just supposed to bow their heads politely. Fuck that.

I'm unsubscribing this thread. Have fun being cordial with double speak over hear.

[mr.nismo.]

If you want to go to war for American Conservatism that's what you're supporting. I'm not splitting hairs on this anymore.

Territories were made states purely to keep slavery and that era's Democrats in play. They never had the population and tax base to be proper states. So either return them to territories or make all territories of such standing states.


My opinions are loud, my position is clear, and I am anything but disingenuous. I don't appreciate the bullshit call out. You are not going to pull this on me after literally months of mother fuckers saying the shit to me you guys watched and discussed. Dude has been literally stalking me online and not a peep from any of you.

Sure, I'm the fucking problem.

You're saying it yourself, you don't give a fuck to hear another viewpoint, so yeah, no point in wasting time. Also, when did I say I'm at war for full on conservatism? I didn't...

There's no bullshit I'm calling out the way you're talking to me. I've literally done nothing to you. Idk if you're referring to zombie to rebuild about stalking you online (I don't like that in the least bit, not fucking cool), but I'm not down with that shit. I'm not being disingenuous, I don't like being grouped in the way you've put me.

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[deolio]

I'm beyond tired of this shit.

You?re trippin. Chill out. mr. nismo has been more than reasonable and understanding in trying to have a conversation.

[kingkilburn]

If you call picking a fight then complaining about getting it reasonable then you're more than welcome to continue to reasonably engage with him.

[mrmephistopheles]

THREAD CHANGE.

Now we discuss how Joe Biden does as a president.

Won't lie, I'd much rather let this thread die and start a new one on that subject.

Words

I just banned rebuild for being argumentative. Really he was hostile and seemed a crayons bite away from going full mouth breather. That said, nismo isn't behaving that way. Idgaf if he refutes his own premise or argues against something you said in his imagination. If civil discourse can be maintained, I'm all about it.
I'd much prefer nobody else sinks to, or is driven to the level of fucktardery visited upon us by rebuild and zombie.
If someone makes an argument without evidence or logic, feel free to laugh them off or refuse to engage.

While it is not against the rules to swear, be crass, or rude I would whole heartily recommend treating others with the same amount of respect that you are given.

We may not always see eye to eye with other forum members, especially on the topics of politics but I have an astute amount of respect for people that can use succinct and respectful language to others when voicing opposite opinions. These are the same ideas, topics, and points of view that get us to critically think.

I would also like to point out that Mr. Nismo is not using conspiracy theory or other unprecedented trains of thought when speaking or giving counter-arguments.

If you're purposely railroading him into being the next red tic martyr by using disingenuous language to get him to stoop down to the late zombie and rebuild's level, that's pretty deplorable.

What this guy said.

Thoughts on letting this thread die and beginning anew? I think it would provide some level of catharsis.

[RalliartRsX]

Sticky this shit

People that support this dumpster fire need to be eternalized

Blood is on the hands of the ardent supporters....who still supoort this shit after Wednesday

Or am I taking it too far?

[mr.nismo.]

Sticky this shit



Blood is on the hands of the ardent supporters....who still supoort this shit after Wednesday

Or am I taking it too far?

No, because Wednesday was about as unnecessary and fucked up as it gets.

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[mrmephistopheles]

No, because Wednesday was about as unnecessary and fucked up as it gets.

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Something that strikes me about the failed insurrection is how so many Maga cultists are claiming it was antifa, that the people killed were martyrs (save for the cop who was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher - they conveniently leave him out), knowing full well that it wasn't antifa members, and that had those folks been killed serving the cause of civil rights, they'd have gotten what they deserved.

[RalliartRsX]

No, because Wednesday was about as unnecessary and fucked up as it gets.

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Mr. Nismo. A classic (respectable) conservative??

Tea party, Limbaugh and talk radio is quickly making your type extinct :(. Quite disappointing.

[mr.nismo.]

Mr. Nismo. A classic (respectable) conservative??



Tea party, Limbaugh and talk radio is quickly making your type extinct :(. Quite disappointing.Right leaning libertarian. (Although recently were all just mashed up together unfortunately).

Most libertarians I've seen sway real right with how everything is now. Online platforms seem real right or real left, no middle ground.

But to add for Wednesday, I had a feeling that was going to end badly, but like that? Fuck man... I'm not even caring about how left and right look stupid, but we're a fucking laughing stock to the world. More people died for no fucking reason.

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[mr.nismo.]

Something that strikes me about the failed insurrection is how so many Maga cultists are claiming it was antifa, that the people killed were martyrs (save for the cop who was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher - they conveniently leave him out), knowing full well that it wasn't antifa members, and that had those folks been killed serving the cause of civil rights, they'd have gotten what they deserved.

Nah, Wednesday was the hardcore Trump supporters. There were some that honestly wanted to protest, but I knew there were going to be people who were going to cause violence. I saw lots of Antifa in BLM riots (the videos of them being grabbed and literally thrown to the police were fucking awesome), but that's how every protest ends up if we're being honest. There's the people who want to protest a cause they believe in, the people there to incite violence and take advantage, and then everyone in between that.

// To add, I did see a few specific specific people who were in pictures from Wednesday, but also other protests from BLM, but there was way fucking more than a few that went in the Capitol building.

// Double edit, that's if they're real pictures, maybe they're photoshopped? It's the internet after all lol
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