Donald Trump For President

[RalliartRsX]

Agree with it or not, The burning of the the flag is protected by our First Amendment Right.

If you have issue with it, take it up with the SCOTUS (Johnson vs Texas)

[exitspeed]

Agree with it or not, The burning of the the flag is protected by our First Amendment Right.

If you have issue with it, take it up with the SCOTUS (Johnson vs Texas)

Then you should also have no issue with what Trump says. Hypocrisy.

Quick vid of one of the young ladies who put up the flag. https://www.instagram.com/p/Bz_N9erhMXbjQLHL0RIlfxFyN8Te78DisYntkM0/?igshid=pamgso5dq4w1

And no, I should NOT be ok with the American flag being taken down and replaced with another counties flag in protest of our country. Mexico or otherwise. Period. I also have that right. You know, to support my country.

[spooled240]

This was the last thread I was expecting to be bumped by our local lefty Zilvians. The left is a fucking dumpster fire right now lmao

[RalliartRsX]

Then you should also have no issue with what Trump says. Hypocrisy.

Quick vid of one of the young ladies who put up the flag. https://www.instagram.com/p/Bz_N9erhMXbjQLHL0RIlfxFyN8Te78DisYntkM0/?igshid=pamgso5dq4w1

And no, I should NOT be ok with the American flag being taken down and replaced with another counties flag in protest of our country. Mexico or otherwise. Period. I also have that right. You know, to support my country.

............and at which point in my post did I take a stance for or against the burning of the flag??

As Falkon clearly stated early on (which I 100% agree with); you are not going to change your mind on trump. Simple. It is not worth my breath or time to be bothered to convince you otherwise.

However, I will correct Constitutionally false assertions. You do as you please and have your opinions. But the Constitution is the Constitution. If you have an issue or feel as strong as you post about it here, instead of jumping in with "Leftie Nazi BS!" Put your money where your mouth is and bring the case to the SCOTUS if all I am saying.

Apart from that, I have no opinion.

[RalliartRsX]

Ps even get into the fact that 3 of the 4 women trump tweeted about going back to their country were in fact born in the US and are Legal US citizens.

Does he want then to go back to USA? I'm confused....

[exitspeed]

Ps even get into the fact that 3 of the 4 women trump tweeted about going back to their country were in fact born in the US and are Legal US citizens.

Does he want then to go back to USA? I'm confused....

I get it, crude humor and shit talking is lost of the elitist, holier than thou left. It’s ok. Maybe one day I can be as great of human being as you guys.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[RalliartRsX]

I get it, crude humor and shit talking is lost of the elitist, holier than thou left. It’s ok. Maybe one day I can be as great of human being as you guys.


Not trying to be a dick, however I genuinely have no clue what your response has anything to do with the post you quoted in response to @exitspeed.

But let's pull on the elitist string. How is trump not classified as such when

1) From New York and according to some, the mecca of elitist
2) Born into money and didn't have to work a day to secure the hundred of millions he inherited from.feom.hia father
3) Has targeted middle and lower class blue collar folks in terms of raising rents to obscene amounts which surely the tenants could not afford
4) Has leveraged his access to lawyers to circumvent the tax code
5) dodged servicing his country by "trumping up" a false narrative a out bone spurs?

And that is a legitimate question

EDIT

[dbeiler]

Not trying to be a dick, however I genuinely have no clue what your response has anything to do with the post you quoted in response to @exitspeed.

But let's pull on the elitist string. How is trump not classified as such when

1) From New York and according to some, the mecca of elitist
2) Born into money and didn't have to work a day to secure the hundred of millions he inherited from.feom.hia father
3) Has targeted middle and lower class blue collar folks in terms of raising rents to obscene amounts which surely the tenants could not afford
4) Has leveraged his access to lawyers to circumvent the tax code
5) dodged servicing his country by "trumping up" a false narrative a out bone spurs?

And that is a legitimate question

1) Damn new Yorkers. How dare they be more successful than me.
2) Born into money doesn't guarantee success. Trump loaned his first million. How many $ lottery winners have managed to increase their wealth after the initial paycheck?
3) Raised rents?! How dare he?! My apartment leasing department just raised rent. I had no idea they were working directly for Trump.
4) Maybe more people should do this. IRS is apparently sitting on millions of unclaimed $ just from people filing incorrectly in the IRS' favor.
5) I hope you're a veteran if you insist on bringing up the service-dodging complaints.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[RalliartRsX]

Gbaby, sorry the post was aimed at @exitspeed. You just managed to post before I hit reply lol

[spooled240]

You support a septuagenarian who does little other than tweet hate speech.

Yes and I'd rather support this than a bunch of delusional anti semites that want America to burn.

[rvns14]

There is a full moon tonight; earlier I had pizza. Immigrants brought pizza to the US and Immigrants 50 years ago got the US to the moon. Welcoming Immigrants make this a better country.

[RalliartRsX]

gbaby, edited my post.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

How EXACTLY do liberals/leftists want America to burn? Give me factual evidence.

Green New Deal
Uncheck Immigration
Open Boarders
Gun Ban
Self defense Ban
Legalization of Drugs
Universal Healthcare
Universal Income
Universal College
Increased Taxes on the Working
Carbon Taxes
Censorship of Speach
Infanticide
Pro-Deviant Lifestyles
Anti-White
Anfi-Male
Anti-Christian / Religion* (*except Muslim)
Pro Communism
Pro Authoritarian

[Corbic]

There is a full moon tonight; earlier I had pizza. Immigrants brought pizza to the US and Immigrants 50 years ago got the US to the moon. Welcoming Immigrants make this a better country.Wrong.

There is a huge difference between a rocket engineer immigrating from Germany on a work visa and a horde of illiterate 3rd worlders jumping the fence.

When the "original immigrants" came here, there was no Government, there was no welfare net. They basically left the "first world" to come to a wild wilderness and they built it into the greatest country in the world.

Now we have people wanting to leave their failed states to come here and mooch off our success.

https://youtu.be/QV7JILRugOg

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Responses in bold.


Green New Deal has nothing to do with Climate Change. Clearly you lack even the most nuanced understanding of history, culture, current events and American Values .

Do your own research, anything I link too you'll howl is biased, racist or reeeeeeeee

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No point in debating with you as you'll only become further entrenched in your flawed idealolgy.

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[Green Arrow]

Corbic is right, all those points are what makes the democrat/ socialist/ communist agenda.

If that was my party id call it slander too.

And the simplest defense is to call your adversaries rasists/ white nationalists/ whatever...
This thread is capable of only producing circular arguments. Because there is no responsibility taking place on behalf of the dems. Instead of saying “yes, what aoc said is stupid” people defend her. And her “squad”...... Trump will win 2020. Period

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

. He developed the V2 rocket. A weapon that killed many Americans.

Link to source please.

[Krazykouki]

Corbic is right, all those points are what makes the democrat/ socialist/ communist agenda.

If that was my party id call it slander too.

And the simplest defense is to call your adversaries rasists/ white nationalists/ whatever...
This thread is capable of only producing circular arguments. Because there is no responsibility taking place on behalf of the dems. Instead of saying “yes, what aoc said is stupid” people defend her. And her “squad”...... Trump will win 2020. Period

Heh..I love how everything a republican says now is 'racist' like these fuckers have any idea what a racist really is.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

You can't be serious.



Wernher Von Braun, FROM NASA'S WEBSITE:







https://history.msfc.nasa.gov/vonbraun/bio.html



You're celebrating a Nazi and belittling the potential of folks from developing states.







Please define racism.No, link to the source that says "many Americans died from V2 Missile Strikes".

[20 til 3]

Holy shit there are some sad ass individual in here who need to watch "the brainwashing of my father"

Stop acting like extreme niche groups represent the left...as if your side has any room to talk ( we will just say things like the KKK). This dumb ass spoiled brat you bow down to is an insecure twat who uses hate to split America so he can make a buck off of it... Simple as that, good business man who knows how to exploit weak ass people for a buck ( Trumpanzies that is )

Stop blaming people you dislike because your boss would rather hire a Spanish speaking guy so he doesn't have to listen to your bitch ass whine all day.

[20 til 3]

Holy shit there are some sad ass individual in here who need to watch "the brainwashing of my father"

Stop acting like extreme niche groups represent the left...as if your side has any room to talk ( we will just say things like the KKK). This dumb ass spoiled brat you bow down to is an insecure twat who uses hate to split America so he can make a buck off of it... Simple as that, good business man who knows how to exploit weak ass people for a buck ( Trumpanzies that is )

Stop blaming people you dislike because your boss would rather hire a Spanish speaking guy so he doesn't have to listen to your bitch ass whine all day.

[Green Arrow]

Hahahaha WOW! ^^^Only a democrat is capable of the shit that came from your mouth.



And Gbaby operation paperclip is what youre referring to....deaths from v2 you still wont provide a link.

[spooled240]

How did "a rocket engineer immigrating from Germany on a work visa" turn into Nazis killing many Americans?

Liberal logic.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Green Arrow]

Are you seriously making claims without source material? When you have no argument claim the opposing party is a nazi....

You are too simple

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Green Arrow]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

this is too rich.


BABHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


Stop watching Ancient Aliens.

[rvns14]

ITT: Trump voters claim the V2 rocket was not a Nazi weapon of war.

Did any of you guys care about politics in the slightest pre-Trump?

You all need to familiarize yourself with history. He is following the same script followed by many before him. He is not the first fascist & he is not the last.

Corbic's point is that while WvB did work on the V2, you need to cite where it was used on American soldiers. The V2 was a weapon that primarily terrorized the UK and was more effective as a threat then a realized weapon (the Blitz was primary conventional bomber aircraft). The Luftwaffe's leadership never really got that off the ground as a weapon before the war ended; much of the knowledge the US inherited was paid for in launch pad failures in the German forests. Cprbic is not (i believe) denying the v2 was a nazi weapon.

[Corbic]

Are you seriously claiming the V2 rocket killed no Americans?.

Do you havs a source showing it did. You claimed "many Americans" and are trying to use that as justification to not allow Von Braun to immigrate.

Von Bruan built the entire US space program and allowed us to have a competitive advantage to the Soviets. Had he not immigrated, along with many other "Nazi Scientists", they'd have been grabbed up by the Soviets and bolstered the Soviet advances in aeronautics, space and nuclear capabilities.

So are you saying you wanted the Communists to win the Cold War? Are you defending communists?

You do realize :

Adolf Hitler, 21 million non-combat deaths.

Karl Marx, +149 million non-combat deaths.

[Green Arrow]

Corbic +1

Lil’baby 0


Do actual research on history before telling others they dont know history.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

I

No government has ever actually followed the teaching of Marx. Marx cannot be blamed for murder by fascists (Yes, Stalin was a fascist, ditto Pol Pot & so many others).


Quoting this for prosperity.

So you are saying Nazis are the worse thing ever. And that Marxists are actually Nazis....

So that means the modern left are the actual Nazis???

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[Corbic]

Are you saying American exceptionalism is actually a myth and we needed immigrants to achieve greatness, just like in every single other period of American history?

Go watch the video I posted.

Are you seriously comparing Von Braun or Einstine to criminal hordes invading the southern boarder to leach off the welfare state?

I thought you wanted to stop climate change? Bringing millions of people into the 1st world is only going to accelerates the environmental catastrophy.

Amusing how you cry foul on blocking Visas/immigration from Yemen and Iran but don't give two shits about Russia or South Africa... Oh that's right, their on a different side of the political spectrum and won't vote for your Nazi bullshit.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Green Arrow]

Youre an idiot and your attempts to project are hilarious.

Please keep going.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[spooled240]

If Ilhan Omar had come here from South Africa you'd still want her sent back because you're a racist.



You'd love her if she came from Russia...because fascist and she'd be white.



Again, you have no idea what a Nazi is and you show it through your use of shitty memes.



Nazis were not socialists. Everyone with any understanding of politics knows this.



Leftists do not hate Jewish people, the only people making these accusations are a SMALL percentage of Jewish clergy (remember, the Jewish population in America is one of the most liberal groups in the country) and far right extremists who believe control of Israel is critical to their view of Armageddon.



https://www.gq.com/story/anti-semitism-political-shield#intcid=recommendations_default-popular_6ee8181c-c8fc-4db2-beae-163b739c90e4_cral-top1-2



Calling out human rights violations & mistreatment is very different from hate.



Remember, you guys are the ones shouting about sending American citizens to their ancestral homes. That's r a c i s m & hate right there.

Racist, racist, RACISTTT! Look at your own party, dude.

Ilhan Omar has clearly expressed hatred for Isreal/Jews, was in favor of reducing punishment for people who actually wanted to join ISIS, and downplayed 9/11 as "some people did something"

And the entire democratic party has DONE NOTHING ABOUT IT for months. Pelosi chalked it off as "her use of words" being different or some bullshit. They won't address the attempted bombing of the ICE facility earlier this week, they won't address antifa's violence, they won't address Ayanna Pressley's speech on not needing "brown faces that don't want to be a brown voice". So now they want politicians of color to base their decisions on the color of their skin and not their personal character and values. If you ever want to know if a leftist is spewing racial bullshit, replace black/brown/etc. with white and if it sounds like something that would be said at a KKK meeting then its racist. Example: "we don't need white faces that don't want to be a white voice"

The left is only against the racism that doesnt follow their political agenda.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Holy shit your facebook brain is terminal.



Stalin was not a communist. Pol Pot was not a communist. Etc.



No modern Leftist says OH HEY WE SHOULD BE MORE LIKE POL POT, STALIN, etc.

Maybe so, but they are saying we should be like Stalin, Mao, Fidel, and Venezuela...

So they are demanding the same socilism that Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Musolini wanted...

Why should we expect any different out come?



Meanwhile you chuds are endlessly looking at Nazi activities/Nazis and thinking, yes, I like this.

I've never once mentioned anything remotely pro Socialist... So what the fuck you going on about?







WTF are you talking about?



If Ilhan Omar had come here from South Africa you'd still want her sent back because you're a racist.

Communism is a race now?




You'd love her if she came from Russia...because fascist and she'd be white.

Did you seriously just imply one of the most ethnicly diverse countries in the world, and the one that almost single handedly crushed global fascism is comprised of... White Fascists?


Them fucking blonde haired Aryan Nazis!!

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Are you fucking retarded?




Again, you have no idea what a Nazi is and you show it through your use of shitty memes.


Then how can I possibly be one or support them?



Nazis were not socialists. Everyone with any understanding of politics knows this.

Dude.


Dude.....



The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both Marxist international socialism and free market capitalism. Nazism rejected the Marxist concepts of class conflict and universal equality, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism, and sought to convince all parts of the new German society to subordinate their personal interests to the "common good", accepting political interests as the main priority of economic organization.[4]

The Nazi Party's precursor, the Pan-German nationalist and antisemitic German Workers' Party, was founded on 5 January 1919. By the early 1920s the party was renamed the National Socialist German Workers' Party—to attract workers away from left-wing parties such as the Social Democrats (SPD) and the Communists (KPD)—and Adolf Hitler assumed control of the organization. The National Socialist Program or "25 Points" was adopted in 1920 and called for a united Greater Germany that would deny citizenship to Jews or those of Jewish descent, while also supporting land reform and the nationalization of some industries. In Mein Kampf ("My Struggle"; 1924–1925), Hitler outlined the anti-Semitism and anti-Communism at the heart of his political philosophy, as well as his disdain for representative democracy and his belief in Germany's right to territorial expansion.[5]




Like... Seriously


Dude





Doooooooood


Just shut the fuck up already.


The reason the left is always killing people, either as Nazis, Socialists, Communists or Marxist is pretty simple.

The left advocates intrusive Government and limitation on personal freedom for the "greater good". It also advocates siezure of personnel property - companies, factorys, farms and assets (taxes).

This results in a group of people apposing these ideas... And it's generally to the point of requiring force to make them comply.

Once the changes start to happen and the world doesn't become a Utopia, those in power find scape goats to blame so they can remain in power.

Capitalism gave us the United States, the most free, wealthiest, most prosperous, advanced, innovative and powerful country mankind has ever seen.

Marxism has give us 100 years of misery, suffering and industrialized murder greater then all previous wars and genocides from the last 5,000 years combined....

Seems pretty God damn fucking simple to see which idealolgy is the right choice.

[Corbic]

https://youtu.be/zJBjjP8WSbc


Ironically, in America, being poor means you end up obesse....

[rvns14]

The left advocates intrusive Government and limitation on personal freedom for the "greater good". It also advocates siezure of personnel property - companies, factorys, farms and assets (taxes).

This results in a group of people apposing these ideas... And it's generally to the point of requiring force to make them comply.

Once the changes start to happen and the world doesn't become a Utopia, those in power find scape goats to blame so they can remain in power.

Capitalism gave us the United States, the most free, wealthiest, most prosperous, advanced, innovative and powerful country mankind has ever seen.

Marxism has give us 100 years of misery, suffering and industrialized murder greater then all previous wars and genocides from the last 5,000 years combined....

Seems pretty God damn fucking simple to see which idealolgy is the right choice.



The left believes that government needs to safeguard the rights of those who can be easily abused and to ensure that bodies of government work as best for as many members as possible, society. Lets talk about imminent domain. There are decades long lawsuits that are still in court over what is private property that would be intersected by the southern border. Is building a border wall assisting the greater good to you? Or is it big government intrusion. No government is perfect, what the democrats try to do is ensure that everyone has a voice at the table, we are all Americans.

You are correct that Utpoia is not achievable, because it is not possible, every one's idea of perfection is different. I think the main difference between the left and the right is the left wants to get involved with what it sees as a problem, those on the right a more hands off (ex. left wants to address directly climate change, right wants more evidence/wait and see?)

America is not a wholly capitalist society/economy and you and i wouldnt want one. I am no fan of Donald Trump and he would say he is a capitalist but even he (as a government official) told/took action to ground the Boeing 737max a/c until they were modified and vetted (and i dont disagree with his decision to get involved). No pure capitalism would have that happen. Capitalism would say that Boeing would repair these planes only when consumers demanded it by not flying on them. If the gov hadn't loaned the pentastar money in the 80's there would be no hellcats, no gladiators, no wranglers. If the gov hadn't lent ford money there would be no raptors, no voodoo v8s, no crown vics. It the gov hadn't lent gm money there would be no 60K c8.

At the end of the day, no one person is entirely one thing, no government should be entirely one thing. We can all agree that America is so widely admired and so sought after by others because America started with goals that the founders knew they couldn't /hadn't meet at the time, but were hopeful that future minds would and that all Americans could invest in a set of guiding principals. We didnt just end up in America, we choose to be here (generally). They knew the limitations of the technology of their time and left guidance open to interpretation as deemed by the people of that time. No one wants to change America's structure, founding principals, star spangled awesomeness; we want to make sure that people can debate and live how they want and not live in fear of medical induced bankruptcy, social marginalization or representative corruption.

[Corbic]

Doood


This muthafuka got more street cred then all y'all combined and you call him a racist. Shit.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190719/22a960aa9ea945195395755ef7145fb6.jpg

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[shinhed]

^This.

There are some folks in the thread who use Facebook memes and rhetoric as credible sources of news, but 'gbaby2089' definitely doesn't seem to be one of them.

[Corbic]

^This.



There are some folks in the thread who use Facebook memes and rhetoric as credible sources of news, but 'gbaby2089' definitely doesn't seem to be one of them.No, he's just a complete idiot who dodges everyone question and point.

He seriously tried to make a statement that Nazis are not Socialists.

[RalliartRsX]

No, he's just a complete idiot who dodges everyone question and point.

He seriously tried to make a statement that Nazis are not Socialists.

Nazi = Socialist is VERY misleading at the very least......False history at most. Hitler used the Socialist party as a stepping stone to spread his Nationalist Agenda.


Below is a little history lesson on the rise of Hitler, how he initially used the Socialist workers party in conjunction with propaganda, to later, cast all members of the Socialist party in prison and to break free to form his own Nationalist Party. . It was all part of Nationalist plan....


To say that Hitler understood the value of language would be an enormous understatement. Propaganda played a significant role in his rise to power. To that end, he paid lip service to the tenets suggested by a name like National Socialist German Workers’ Party, but his primary—indeed, sole—focus was on achieving power whatever the cost and advancing his racist, anti-Semitic agenda. After the failure of the Beer Hall Putsch, in November 1923, Hitler became convinced that he needed to utilize the teetering democratic structures of the Weimar government to attain his goals.

Over the following years the brothers Otto and Gregor Strasser did much to grow the party by tying Hitler’s racist nationalism to socialist rhetoric that appealed to the suffering lower middle classes. In doing so, the Strassers also succeeded in expanding the Nazi reach beyond its traditional Bavarian base. By the late 1920s, however, with the German economy in free fall, Hitler had enlisted support from wealthy industrialists who sought to pursue avowedly anti-socialist policies. Otto Strasser soon recognized that the Nazis were neither a party of socialists nor a party of workers, and in 1930 he broke away to form the anti-capitalist Schwarze Front (Black Front). Gregor remained the head of the left wing of the Nazi Party, but the lot for the ideological soul of the party had been cast.

Hitler’s Third Reich had been born, and it was entirely fascist in character. Within two months Hitler achieved full dictatorial power through the Enabling Act. In April 1933 communists, socialists, democrats, and Jews were purged from the German civil service, and trade unions were outlawed the following month



The abstract above was taken from Britannica, a middle of the road unbiased Factual Source

Were the Nazis Socialists? (https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists)

Media Bias/Fact Check Encyclopedia Britannica
(https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/encyclopedia-britannica/)


Hitler and as extensions NAZIs were NEVER a Socialist party at heart, or had a socialist agenda. Just used poor and uneducated blue collard folks misfortune to gain their trust.......

And as they said, the rest is history. And history tends to repeat itself....

[Corbic]

Nazi = Socialist is VERY misleading at the very least......False history at most. Hitler used the Socialist party as a stepping stone to spread his Nationalist Agenda.


Below is a little history lesson on the rise of Hitler, how he initially used the Socialist workers party in conjunction with propaganda, to later, cast all members of the Socialist party in prison and to break free to form his own Nationalist Party. . It was all part of Nationalist plan....




The abstract above was taken from Britannica, a middle of the road unbiased Factual Source

Were the Nazis Socialists? (https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists)

Media Bias/Fact Check Encyclopedia Britannica
(https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/encyclopedia-britannica/)


Hitler and as extensions NAZIs were NEVER a Socialist party at heart, or had a socialist agenda. Just used poor and uneducated blue collard folks misfortune to gain their trust.......

And as they said, the rest is history. And history tends to repeat itself....So just like the Democrats?


And just an FYI, the economy they built was very much a Socialist economy, so you are arguing symantics.

The end result is the same, an extreme progressive political agenda designed to tear down the past, coupled with extensive propaganda, identy politics, "Us vs Them" and an extremely intrusive Government without checks or balances.

https://youtu.be/NxwidjWJxAc

[RalliartRsX]

Nationalism and Nazi fascists is the opposite of what the Dems represent at the core as the majority of the Democratic party is made up of Liberals and Progressives.

The Socialist economy (in Germany) was in place WELL before the rise of the Nazi party. This came about because Germany was demoralized after losing WWI. Absolutely NOTHING to do with what Hilter and his fascist regime they built AFTER the fact. Actually quiet the contrary. No one is arguing it WASNT a socialist economy. History has made that very clear. However, it is what Hitler used as "cover" for his Fascist regime until he casted out all the socialist and imprisoned the rest. NOT semantics.

Corbic, I think you are fairly confused.......

Did you even bother to read what is historically correct??

[Corbic]

Nationalism and Nazi fascists is the opposite of what the Dems represent at the core as the majority of the Democratic party is made up of Liberals and Progressives.

Wrong. A policy by policy comparison will show this. You are trying to use the classical term "liberal" (freedom) but this is no longer the case of the modern left.

Nazis are/were "Progressive".









Did you even bother to read what is historically correct??

I litterally just gave you a video of a brief dissect from the writings of an actual Marxist who lived in Nazi Germany.

I think you are the one that's confused, you only need to watch a speech from Hitler himself to listen to him ramble on about the horrors of capitalists.

Major issues Shared Between the Two:

Pro Abortion
Anti-Gun
Anti Religion (except Islam)
Pro-Pseudo Science
Pro-Censorship
Pro-"political correctness" / speech control
Pro-Socialist Economy
Pro- Union
Pro Government Intervention with Industry
Pro Identitrianism (damn Jews/Slavs : Cis White Men)
Pro Globalism (Single World Government)
Racist (Gas the Jews / Brown People to stupid need Government)

So when you say "oh but Hitler was not really a Marxist, he just manipulated the hordes of illerate communists and Socialists to do his bidding and sieze power", well that looks a lot like this...

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Bunch of stupid white communists trying to rile up the brown masses to sieze power and install an even larger, more intrusive Government.

What I can also say about the modern left :

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The reason they hate "America" and our culture is because it's a barrier to them seizing perpetual power with the Government being the sole source of aligence.

It's just like the Nazi SS or People's Liberation Army (China's Army), their aligence is not to the people or the Nation, but to the political party.

https://youtu.be/PzRg--jhO8g

Fucking Fascist Pig.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Corbic, you need to stop looking at racist facebook groups for your sources of what liberals/leftists are seeking in 2019.

Also, it is deeply comical how misplaced your accusations of fascism and dedication to party over country are.

I saw a man wearing a TRUMP/PUTIN 2020 shirt this weekend, with a TRUMP 2020 hat on. These are your people:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dj6h87LUwAAo7IG.jpg

I've voted for democrats, independents and even a few republicans. I doubt you can say the same.So your rebuttal is to just change the topic completely?

What does my voting record or a meme t-shirt (a joke that clearly went over your head) have to do with the arguments at hand?

Are you saying this video is a CG Meme made by Facebook Racists to smeer the DNC?

https://youtu.be/WnZxJy6J-0o

[RalliartRsX]

Corbic, within the first 2 mins of your video, Günter Reimann (Marxist Socialist) refers to National Socialist Germany as Fascist. This was categorically refuted by TIK. They are NOT one in the same as you constantly seeming state.

Again, Hitler Nazi took leveraged the Socialist party as its mouthpiece to spread Nazi propaganda. When he rose to power, he banished, imprisoned and murdered Socialist prior to bringing to the forefront the Nazi party. That is not what a Socialist party does.

For whatever reason, you are hell bent on consistently stating this falsehood (Socialist = Nazi), and using this very same falsehood and some bizarre pretzel logic, linking this to the modern day Democratic party (which is mostly made up of Progressive and Liberals) by making a list of incorrect links of support between two parties by stating Progressives = Nazis). It's almost as if you refuse to embrace facts and history....

I do not know where to take this discussion at this point. I simply cannot be angry all the time

[feito]

democrats, the party that brought you penalties for tax-paying legal citizens who didnt have insurance but will be offering free health care to non-tax paying illegal immigrants...
Also, funny how lefties put so much emphasis on skin color. I tell you, the most racist insults Ive received come from lefties when they discover that me, a dark skin latino, votes right. Pretending to be "white" they say... I guess in their mind you gotta vote according to your ethnicity and skin color, go figure :tweak:
They not only accept, but force the rest of us to accept the idea that if a person pretends to be of the opposite sex we MUST all go along with their little game, but god forbid you act CRAZY by voting right if youre a latino or even an immigrant :rofl:
BTW, did everybody hear about trumps plan on food stamps? I reaaaally wish this goes through and maybe even gets a bit further by drug testing all recipients. I live in the poor side of town, and see with my own eyes how bad the system is being abused. That shit has gone too far.

[exitspeed]

democrats, the party that brought you penalties for tax-paying legal citizens who didnt have insurance but will be offering free health care to non-tax paying illegal immigrants...
Also, funny how lefties put so much emphasis on skin color. I tell you, the most racist insults Ive received come from lefties when they discover that me, a dark skin latino, votes right. Pretending to be "white" they say... I guess in their mind you gotta vote according to your ethnicity and skin color, go figure :tweak:
They not only accept, but force the rest of us to accept the idea that if a person pretends to be of the opposite sex we MUST all go along with their little game, but god forbid you act CRAZY by voting right if youre a latino or even an immigrant :rofl:
BTW, did everybody hear about trumps plan on food stamps? I reaaaally wish this goes through and maybe even gets a bit further by drug testing all recipients. I live in the poor side of town, and see with my own eyes how bad the system is being abused. That shit has gone too far.

This is what the Left should really be afraid of. I follow sooooo many POC on IG that are trump supporters. The movements are real. People are opening their eyes.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

Cool, you have black internet friends? Weird flex but okay.

From Cornell:

8% of African-Americans voted for Donald Trump.

89% of African-Americans voted for Hillary Clinton.

Is this like when you guys declare record numbers of voters turned out to vote for Donald Trump even though less people voted for him than Hillary? (Or ever voted for Obama)

I could have wrote your response for you. You go ahead and believe what you want. We’ll see what 2020 brings. You guys were so right in ‘16 soooooo.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

I had a bad feeling Trump would win in 2016.



Many people did.



I have a bad feeling he'll win again in 2020.



That doesn't mean he's popular like you guys think he is, nor does it mean he & the rest of the Republican party do not embrace heavily anti-democratic views.



Also, if Republicans have such a strong hold on minority votes, why do they keep working hard to suppress those very same voters?



You knew I was going to say what I did because my posts are based in verifiable facts.



Facts bear repeating, it is that simple.



Fascism is on the rise globally, the US' institutions are not strong enough to survive that if its voters are as ignorant as they seem.Yeah sure...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190724/be0bb6c8a8c1930ad6a082cce13acb01.jpg

[midnight zenki]

Yeah sure...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190724/be0bb6c8a8c1930ad6a082cce13acb01.jpg

You forgot buying groceries, truly a man of the people https://youtu.be/XKWNsVlc3dc

[midnight zenki]

I could have wrote your response for you. You go ahead and believe what you want. We’ll see what 2020 brings. You guys were so right in ‘16 soooooo.

Da comrade, no one saw that coming, GTFO with that assertion and go polish your crystal ball some more.

[Corbic]

You forgot buying groceries, truly a man of the people https://youtu.be/XKWNsVlc3dc

Well... When all they are doing is using Food Stamps and buying Cigarettes, Alcohol, Sudafed and Vape Juice.... All of those need ID.

Let's not forget , Disability Checks, Payday Advance, Rent A Center, Boost Mobile, Rim Renterz, School Lunch, Foster Care, Court Hearings, Medical Weed, Planned Parenthood.... List goes on.

But when it comes to voting, colored people are so stupid and so disadvantage they can't possibly present an ID card to vote. Those evil racist Nazis! Clearly a conspiracy to stop them dumb, incompetent, inept, helpless, marginalized POC whole lack any sense of self agency.

But yes, Republicans are the Racists.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Not everyone does....any....of those things.

And also not all of those require an ID. It is entirely possible to live in a major city and never once need an ID.

I live in a major city, to get my apartment I didn't need an ID. When I applied to grad school & accepted financial aid, I didn't need an ID. My utilities account has no ID tied to it. The only time I used an ID for my bank account was setting it up, if my parents had set it up for me as a kid...no ID would've been needed. Live somewhere with a decent public transport system? Don't need an ID. I have a bus pass on my phone & that required ZERO ID.

Banking? Ally.com online banking, boom. I apply for credit cards online, no ID needed.

And on & on & on.

Rural America is not the only America.


I guess you've also never gone to a bar or a club either and you've never driven a car despite being on a 240sx website...


So we should allow the risk of rampet election fraud because some spoiled privliaged city dweller may not need an ID card and is to lazy/stupid to aqquire one?

Sure, that makes sense.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[feito]

Your ignorance is all consuming.



How dare you! Im a dark skin latino, that makes you a fascist, a racist, a NAZI!!!!
See, that's the left's mentality right there.
And your city is in need of some reform really bad if you havent need an id or driver license for all those things you've listed.
Let me guess, your city has tent camps?

Democrats, the party of you must prove your innocence without there being a confirmed crime in the first place...

[Corbic]

How dare you! Im a dark skin latino, that makes you a fascist, a racist, a NAZI!!!!
See, that's the left's mentality right there.
And your city is in need of some reform really bad if you havent need an id or driver license for all those things you've listed.
Let me guess, your city has tent camps?

Democrats, the party of you must prove your innocence without there being a confirmed crime in the first place...He's a fucking tool bag for sure.


Oh wait, did I just assume his gender?

[Corbic]

I have a driver's license. I grew up in a rural farming community and own two cars. Not everyone in cities grows up like I did.



Rampant (your spelling is not bad phone typing, it is a lack of education on your end) election fraud that has time and time proven to not be an issue, except in North Carolina where Republicans are altering voters' ballots?



Hmmm. It is almost like that's yet more projection.



But I understand, Trump voters don't know anything about the United States, what it stands for, government or history in general. Trump's people (and he himself) don't even know what the presidential seal looks like.



https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/RZHdJWwm6-WlTYj6AV462o5lMI8=/0x0:3447x2272/1200x800/filters:focal(584x772:1134x1322)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/64824971/GettyImages_1157407913.0.jpg



"45 is a puppet."



The only truth affiliated with Turning Point USA.So you agree.

Voter ID should be mandatory. Need to stop those cheating nazi racists from committing voter fraud.

[rvns14]

I guess you've also never gone to a bar or a club either and you've never driven a car despite being on a 240sx website...


So we should allow the risk of rampet election fraud because some spoiled privliaged city dweller may not need an ID card and is to lazy/stupid to aqquire one?

Sure, that makes sense.

If Gbaby had to cite where the V2 was used on Americans, you need to cite the numbers of rampant election fraud.

[Corbic]

If Gbaby had to cite where the V2 was used on Americans, you need to cite the numbers of rampant election fraud.That was easy....

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

[silverarrow27]

As of today, I'll be voting for Trump come 2020. Democrats are too progressive pushing their socialist agendas. I live in CA where Democrats are always legislating new taxes or additional taxes on top of current ones. Never seen a change out of my 36 years of living here with these new taxes that are suppose to improve our infrastructure(roads, highways, bridges, etc...). Still tons of pot holes everywhere. Reports to Cal Trans are quickly responded to for pot holes, but two weeks later and the pot holes are back. Free healthcare to illegal immigrants. They may be testing a pilot program, pay-per-mileage, in San Diego, Los Angeles, and San Francisco. If successful, the state legislature will be pushing to put this on a statewide ballot eventually. I have a feeling it will pass because the people in SD, LA, and SF combine makes up for majority of the population of the state. So Californians will be paying the highest gas taxes in the nation, high vehicle registration, and may eventually be also paying 'per mile' driven in CA. Democrats are trying to peel small parts of Prop 13 away in the last election, I don't doubt they'll keep trying until they've completely gotten rid of Prop 13. A few months ago, I got one of those political surveys from a PAC for the DNC that asked about Prop 13 so I know that's going to be an ongoing issue. So decades of DNC rule in this state has pushed me to the right.

His pushing of Congress to do something about illegal immigration is fantastic. I'm a first generation American here with refugee immigrant parents. If my family had and can wait in line and come into the country properly due to genocide, everyone else can also.

Trade war with China, Trump may have his own hidden agenda. But I look at it as weakening China's globalization of loaning money to poor countries to take control of their resources, military expansion, and IP theft. And no, I try not to buy "Made in China" whenever I can and I've been doing so for the last decade. Not "everything" is made in China like a lot of people are still led to believe.

NAFTA 2.0 haven't been passed yet in Congress so no opinion here. But Trump's insistence of Mexico to curb illegal immigration or "else" seems to be working.

Trumps twitter tirades...he can definitely work on his social networking skills and his personality. He sounds like an idiot and an embarrassment to the USA when dealing in international relations. I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt that that's just the way he is and besides, it's great to have a bit of change of pace in international relations and domestic issues. Is it good or bad? Who knows...only time will tell.

[midnight zenki]

That was easy....

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

Fake news, #crooked conservative media

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[rvns14]

That was easy....

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

Even DT's Voter Election Fraud Org/Committee found an infinitesimal amount a fraud. This is a red herring.

How would you suggest we move forward to solve the real issues we face if we are not using facts/actual knowledge to debate.

[SimpleS14]

Voter ID should be mandatory.


I'm okay with this if eligible voters are automatically enrolled and issued an ID, automatically updated/synced when moving primary residences, obtaining an ID is not an undue burden, and the security of our electoral infrastructure is strengthened with redundancies in place, such as paper ballots. Mitch recently blocked efforts for the latter, even after the Republican-led Senate report detailed significant intrusions into our electoral systems from Russia.

[rvns14]

As of today, I'll be voting for Trump come 2020. Democrats are too progressive pushing their socialist agendas. I live in CA where Democrats are always legislating new taxes or additional taxes on top of current ones. Never seen a change out of my 36 years of living here with these new taxes that are suppose to improve our infrastructure(roads, highways, bridges, etc...). Still tons of pot holes everywhere. Reports to Cal Trans are quickly responded to for pot holes, but two weeks later and the pot holes are back. Free healthcare to illegal immigrants. They may be testing a pilot program, pay-per-mileage, in San Diego, Los Angeles, and San Francisco. If successful, the state legislature will be pushing to put this on a statewide ballot eventually. I have a feeling it will pass because the people in SD, LA, and SF combine makes up for majority of the population of the state. So Californians will be paying the highest gas taxes in the nation, high vehicle registration, and may eventually be also paying 'per mile' driven in CA. Democrats are trying to peel small parts of Prop 13 away in the last election, I don't doubt they'll keep trying until they've completely gotten rid of Prop 13. A few months ago, I got one of those political surveys from a PAC for the DNC that asked about Prop 13 so I know that's going to be an ongoing issue. So decades of DNC rule in this state has pushed me to the right.

His pushing of Congress to do something about illegal immigration is fantastic. I'm a first generation American here with refugee immigrant parents. If my family had and can wait in line and come into the country properly due to genocide, everyone else can also.

Trade war with China, Trump may have his own hidden agenda. But I look at it as weakening China's globalization of loaning money to poor countries to take control of their resources, military expansion, and IP theft. And no, I try not to buy "Made in China" whenever I can and I've been doing so for the last decade. Not "everything" is made in China like a lot of people are still led to believe.

NAFTA 2.0 haven't been passed yet in Congress so no opinion here. But Trump's insistence of Mexico to curb illegal immigration or "else" seems to be working.

Trumps twitter tirades...he can definitely work on his social networking skills and his personality. He sounds like an idiot and an embarrassment to the USA when dealing in international relations. I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt that that's just the way he is and besides, it's great to have a bit of change of pace in international relations and domestic issues. Is it good or bad? Who knows...only time will tell.


He has been discussing ending birthright citizenship.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

I'm okay with this if eligible voters are automatically enrolled and issued an ID, automatically updated/synced when moving primary residences, obtaining an ID is not an undue burden, and the security of our electoral infrastructure is strengthened with redundancies in place, such as paper ballots. Mitch recently blocked efforts for the latter, even after the Republican-led Senate report detailed significant intrusions into our electoral systems from Russia.If you can't get your own ID and Register to vote... then you should not be voting.

Have you ever thought critically about a single thing in your life?



Also, as for guilty until proven innocent....Bill Clinton was impeached by a Republican house for getting a blowjob & lying about. Donald Trump committed obstruction of justice & hasn't had any impeachment hearings. Stop & frisk was popularized by Republicans. American citizens are held by ICE for weeks at a time.



You & Corbic are middle aged dudes who are watching the world changing and are deeply frightened by it.







Voter ID laws would not have prevented republican methods of voter fraud.







He can't, he'll resort to some extremely biased source like...







Bam. Right wing 'think tank', the NYU School of Law has this to say:



https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/voter-fraud







Under Trump's immigration policies your family would not have been allowed in the US.Still waiting on that source that V2s killed many Americans.

https://youtu.be/6vvACYVm5BA

https://youtu.be/o7uo0NDtdgE

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[lewisfk]

WOW, reading through this makes my head hurt. Making people show I.D. to vote is not a bad idea, but throughout our history it has been used to suppress the vote of minorities and the poor. (poll tax etc) Each state wants to be sovereign, and that can lead to unnecessary and confusing voter I.D. laws. This also leads to discrimination! Regardless of your political views, you must look at the Constitution for guidance and apply the rule of law.

Q1) Did the citizen Trump ask for foreign help?

Q2) Did President Trump ask for foreign help?

Q3) Did he lie about business ventures in Russia?

Q4) Did he pay women during his campaign to silence them?

Q5) Does he make discouraging remarks about women and people of color?

If you feel the President did not do any of this, then why the endless lies? As an active duty member if I did any of these I would face NJP or even Court Martial. Robert Mueller's report states this. Allegations or Facts, history will judge us on the facts.


https://www.texastribune.org/2019/02/01/texas-citizenship-voter-roll-review-how-it-turned-boondoggle/

[lewisfk]

WOW, reading through this makes my head hurt. Making people show I.D. to vote is not a bad idea, but throughout our history it has been used to suppress the vote of minorities and the poor. (poll tax etc) Each state wants to be sovereign, and that can lead to unnecessary and confusing voter I.D. laws. This also leads to discrimination! Regardless of your political views, you must look at the Constitution for guidance and apply the rule of law.

Q1) Did citizen Trump ask for foreign help?

Q2) Did President Trump ask for foreign help?

Q3) Did he lie about business ventures in Russia?

Q4) Did he pay women during his campaign to silence them?

Q5) Does he make discouraging remarks about women and people of color?

If you feel the President did not do any of this, then why the endless lies? As an active duty member, if I did any of these I would face NJP or even Court Martial. Robert Mueller's report states this. Allegations or Facts, history will judge us on the facts.


https://www.texastribune.org/2019/02/01/texas-citizenship-voter-roll-review-how-it-turned-boondoggle/

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

WOW, reading through this makes my head hurt. Making people show I.D. to vote is not a bad idea, but throughout our history it has been used to suppress the vote of minorities and the poor. (poll tax etc) Each state wants to be sovereign, and that can lead to unnecessary and confusing voter I.D. laws. This also leads to discrimination! Regardless of your political views, you must look at the Constitution for guidance and apply the rule of law.

Q1) Did citizen Trump ask for foreign help?

Q2) Did President Trump ask for foreign help?

Q3) Did he lie about business ventures in Russia?

Q4) Did he pay women during his campaign to silence them?

Q5) Does he make discouraging remarks about women and people of color?

If you feel the President did not do any of this, then why the endless lies? As an active duty member, if I did any of these I would face NJP or even Court Martial. Robert Mueller's report states this. Allegations or Facts, history will judge us on the facts.


https://www.texastribune.org/2019/02/01/texas-citizenship-voter-roll-review-how-it-turned-boondoggle/https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190730/a224d5a7e10ed22e954d97792b2fe4fc.jpg

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

And you claim liberals/leftists (two very different entities) are the ones obsessed with team sports?How many Americans died from V2 Missile Strikes?

[RalliartRsX]

How many Americans died from V2 Missile Strikes?

..........and how many times are you going to continually sprout categorically and historically false information (without any citation) that Democrats and Progressives are Nazis and somehow leverage some pretzel logic tying this to Socialist??

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[rvns14]

I've stated I was wrong.

It is what adults do.

You have realized you're way out of your depths because you don't care about or understand politics, you just want 'your guy' to win.



He won't respond to that.

Or he'll post some weird boomer meme.

No one is a victim like a modern republican; how down trodden, how unfair can it be when you controlled at one point the legislative/exec/and judicial branches (at that point not getting it done is just incompetence)?

Asking the same v2 question and not responding when others ask questions is expected when defending an defensible position. They are full of sound and fury...

[silverarrow27]

@silverarrow: How do you like this?

https://www.propublica.org/article/asylum-seekers-that-followed-trump-rule-now-dont-qualify-because-of-new-trump-rule

Maybe look beyond FU I GOT MINE.

Also, your roads in CA are better than my roads in WI. You also have many, many more people traveling them & many more roads in need of maintenance. Just because the 15 roads you drive most are not immaculate does not mean your taxes are being wasted.

Has nothing to do with "FU I GOT MINE". It sucks that Trump did to those people. It is what it is. Happens to American citizens for laws that gets implemented here too. Welcome to America!

Even if the 15 roads I drive most are not immaculate, they've been the same for the last 36 yrs I've lived here. No expansion, no repavement, pot holes just keeps getting half-ass filled, and roadways are developing more mid-size to large cracks now. Does it take more than 36 yrs to see SOMETHING improve/fixed for the taxes myself and many Californians have put towards it?

[silverarrow27]

Under Trump's immigration policies your family would not have been allowed in the US.

My family came here legitimately as refugees due to genocide committed by the "motherland" government. Not because of poverty or gangs as what I've been reading and watching a lot on all the news media channels.


He has been discussing ending birthright citizenship.

I know, nothing against it as long as its well written. I believe the terms so far that has been brought up is that one parent must be an American citizen. I'm not sure about legal permanent residents. But if you're here legally and even if your kids weren't given US citizenship right off the bat, the parents would just need to get naturalized before all their kids turn 18 to get automatic citizenship. We'll see if this latter part gets rewritten as well though.

[Corbic]

https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1156756475865391104?s=09

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

I've been paying in taxes my whole life..


Lie, since you didn't pay for shit for at least 15 years. Also, "I pay taxes" is a slippery slope, since the majority of Americans don't pay shit into federal income taxes.

Your sales tax, gas tax, and other regional fees and surcharges are the local governments fault. It's nothing to do with T$.



The government keeps wasting it on wars, walls and putting children in cages.

Trump stopped the demand to expand conflict in Syria and held back bombing Iran recently. He was called a Russian Puppet by the left for this.

Obama implemented "childern in cages" in 2014. Only now its an issue. And stopping illegal. Immigration at the boarder is far cheaper then letting them in.


They're not fixing my roads.

Road funding is primarily driven by the state. So "childern in cages and bombing Iran" are not taking "road money".

You live in fucking Wisconsin. Your roads will always be shit because we have this thing called "winter" and "salted roads".

You will never have the roads like glass found in Florida or Texas.


, providing healthcare, etc., the Republicans aren't helping me. .

Nor are the Democrats. I thought Obama Care was going to fix everything? You finally passed the health care reform you wanted. You didn't even need to compromise as you shoved it through without bipartisan support... So why did healthcare prices fucking explode instead of come down?

Also, even now, Democrats don't give a shit. They'd rather expand medicare/caid to Illegal Aliens instead of finding a way to make it more affordable for working Americans. No, you'll just see a premium hike and tax increase to support it.

I can't think of a single talking point shared by Democrats that helps me in anyway.

,Here's the rub, unless you vote for people & policies, not just one party or the other, you'll never see that realized .


Which is why people voted for Trump. He's an outsider. He took massive flack from Republican establiment and was accused of not being a real Republican. He has a long history of social liberalism, Democratic support and not following traditional Rebulican and Neo-Con idealolgy.

This is also why the Democrats went hard to tank Bernie in 2016 and have destroyed Andrew Yang in this primary.

,

Also a key is seeing what is BS and what isn't. .





,

ZERO refugees allowed in is being floated by the Trump administration. That's you too, well it would be if you weren't grandfathered in and now being shitty about it.

Good. Fix Baltimore and the 2k homeless Childern living there before taking in more problems. Fix the drug crisis in Seattle and San Francisco, fix the Roads of Wisconsin.

There's enough Charity cases in the US to focus on for the next Hundred years. AMERICA FIRST BRUH




,Birthright citizenship is the way it should be. Everyone should understand that, but especially someone in your position. Don't be a selfish jerk.

End it. End Anchor Babies. End DACA.

It's not 1906 anymore. We now have a strained social welfare system, deficit that's out of this world, and millions upon millions of Americans, already here, that need guidence and support.

The period of great migration to the US prior to WW2 was during a time of great expanse. We needed millions of unskilled workers to fill out an empty country. To farm the land, to work in dangerous factories. We needed loggers and coal miners. Hell, in the 17th century we needed people so bad we brought them in chains as slaves and criminals.

The world had changed.

We now have an over population and housing crisis across this country as people flock to major cities to find jobs or hand outs. This isn't the industrial age where we need tens of thousands of unskilled workers to operate smelting plants for $2 a day. This is why people cry about free college so much, our modern economy requires skilled, trained and technical workers.

You want to live in a racist free, equal world? Start putting a priority on merit first again.

[spooled240]

Your roads will always be shit because we have this thing called "winter" and "salted roads".

No man, the roads are shit because of Republicans and their v2 rockets

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[rvns14]

Which is why people voted for Trump. He's an outsider. He took massive flack from Republican establiment and was accused of not being a real Republican. He has a long history of social liberalism, Democratic support and not following traditional Rebulican and Neo-Con idealolgy.

This is also why the Democrats went hard to tank Bernie in 2016 and have destroyed Andrew Yang in this primary.

Good. Fix Baltimore and the 2k homeless Childern living there before taking in more problems. Fix the drug crisis in Seattle and San Francisco, fix the Roads of Wisconsin.

There's enough Charity cases in the US to focus on for the next Hundred years. AMERICA FIRST BRUH

It's not 1906 anymore. We now have a strained social welfare system, deficit that's out of this world, and millions upon millions of Americans, already here, that need guidence and support.

The period of great migration to the US prior to WW2 was during a time of great expanse. We needed millions of unskilled workers to fill out an empty country. To farm the land, to work in dangerous factories. We needed loggers and coal miners. Hell, in the 17th century we needed people so bad we brought them in chains as slaves and criminals.

The world had changed.

We now have an over population and housing crisis across this country as people flock to major cities to find jobs or hand outs. This isn't the industrial age where we need tens of thousands of unskilled workers to operate smelting plants for $2 a day. This is why people cry about free college so much, our modern economy requires skilled, trained and technical workers.

You want to live in a racist free, equal world? Start putting a priority on merit first again.


This right here is the problem with Trump. Ive seen outhouses in West Virginia, rundown shopping center after center after center, closed hospitals and no stoplight town after town after town, but Baltimore is the problem. In the wealthiest state in the union. With the best hospital in the country. The gov of montana had to fly his kid to SLC for after a heart attack; living somewhere where there is no hospitals is the bigger issue for the greater number of americans. The "real americans", out of the cities, living on anger and a carton of cigarettes a week. That WV town where there were millions of pills were prescribed for hundreds of residents, thats an issue. But Trump said Baltimore (gasp), so you repeat it back.

Donald Trump is no rebel, hes dangerously informed. He is the worst in people manifest. Ask Paul Ryan.

Once again America succeeds because we have always skimmed the cream of the crop in people off the top of other countries. The people who couldn't be bothered to immigrate stayed in their home countries, the people who start business are the same ones who learned a new language in a new country through grit and will and determination. If we want America to succeed, we should be challenging the kids of kids of someone who immigrated here, who had it easy and coasted through life. If merit is the call, then natives should be concerned.

[Corbic]

I still paid sales tax, even buying candy as a five year old.

Your parents money, and I laugh at the idea of you walking to the candy store and buying a snickers by yourself at 5.



BTW, I'm fine with my local taxes. Living in a state with a shitty Republican state assembly makes the state taxes go towards dumb "America First" shit like giving a Chinese company tons of money to create like 3 jobs, but my local government is solid.

Obviously you are not.







Trump escalated tensions with Iran in the first place by throwing a peace agreement out of the window.

What peace deal? We give them a few trillion in cash and let them sell oil if they pinky swear to not make nukes and support terrorists?




Trump's agencies are detaining 7x more people, often those who are peacefully living in this country and actively contributing.

So Trump is 7x more effective at fighting crime then Obama?








No one outside of centrist circles (bla bla blah) thought the ACA was the end goal. Single payer has always been the only way forward.

Then why didn't they pass that instead? As Nancy said "you don't need to read it, we've debated this for decades".



Also healthcare prices are increasing at a slower rate than they were pre-ACA.


Lie. And both sides agree on that one, costs have gone up, either as premiums or deductibles.

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If Medicare for all is implemented there will be no "premium hike" because there won't be insurance premiums....your increased taxes will pay for your healthcare. It is that simple.

No premium hike, just a service cut and wait list. How is single payer government Healthcare working out for our Veterans? You want to see what Medicare for all looks like? Look at the shit show called thr VA. Look at England where you have to call Comcast Customer service to get a over the phone diagnosis before you can see a random government doctor. Good luck not dying from fucking tonsillitis.

https://www.washingtoninjuryattorneyblog.com/girls_dies_of_tonsillitis_comp


Additionally, these "socialized medicine" countries still have people paying out the ass for care because they'll pick up private insurance or travel for procedures.

When everyone gets a free knee replacement, you either wait 5 years or you pay out of pocket.

I'm sorry, I've worked hard and make good money, I don't need nor want to be saddled with the same subpar bullshit Healthcare that an illegal alien who just robbed a liquor store gets. So unless your going to make a priority and quality of care list based on tax bracket, shove your Medicare for all up your ass.







Trump isn't an outsider.

Proof? I don't recall him holding any party positions, elected roles or government jobs...

Everything he's done has fit neatly into standard Republican behavior. he's a standard child of privilege who in a true meritocracy would probably be living in one of Jared Kushner's bug infested properties (oh hey more projection from republicans).

That's racist, Reeeeeee


And I love the double talk "he's a failure, shitty business man and not rich enough to get elected" but his also a "rich, elitest, cold calculating grand manipulator true deep state Russian agent".





Yang sucks lol..

Why?



Bernie lost, fair & square. I voted for Bernie in the primary in 2016, but he wasn't tanked.

So the DNC and Media didn't support Hillary? She didn't get special treatment, debate questions, extra coverage? They didn't break the norm by releases Super Delegate commitments before the completion of General primary? You no, forcing the issue that Bernie had no chance and needs to drop? All those emails from thr DNC to thr media about propping Trump up cause he'd be easy to defeat, they are what, a Russian Hoax?

Wake up dude. I hate Bernie as much as the next American, but the dude got rail roaded by the DNC Party Machine. I'd be pissed if I was you look at this latest primary. They want Trump to WIN. They want Warren to get thr nomination.





The US can handle all of these at once.

Then why hasn't it?






You guys love to say the US is the greatest country on Earth and yet we can't handle multiple issues at once?

Are you saying we're not but we can?








Wait, isn't that when America was great? When do you want to take America back to?

https://youtu.be/PzRg--jhO8g

Back when this was a "Leftist Liberal" , and not a White Privileged Cis Gender Misogynist Toxic Massculity Nazi Racist Bigot.





The world itself may be overpopulated. The US relative to many countries around the globe is not.

Then why is rent to expensive?


Our social welfare programs are burdened by a lack of funding/support and by Republicans working hard to kill them for decades.

The goal should be total elimination of the Welfare State.

If you had to choose between having scientist make better wheelchairs and eliminating stairs.... Or getting you to walk again, which would you pick?





The housing crisis is caused by people viewing housing not as a right but as a profit center.

It's not a right. You have no right to my shit. Go buy your own fucking shit.

College should be free, .

Why?


BUT it should be selective. Not everyone should need to go to college, it is just not the route that makes sense for EVERYONE.

And who decides that? With what criteria?



And again, I'm absolutely more of a believer in a meritocracy than any Republican.

Lie.


You guys are the ones who absolutely adore failsons bore into privilege and can't stop empowering them even as they continuously prove themselves incapable of even the most basic tasks.

If Trump is such a failure, why the fuck is he the most successful president in the last 25 years? Why didn't he just piss his daddys money away like most tards with money? Instead he became a world renown brand, Hollywood celebrity, and folk hero.

Being born into opportunity is not a crime. Being born into oppertuny is not a guarantee for success. Being born into oppertuny is not inmoral.

Do you not work hard and try to achieve more so that your childern will have more oppertuny and easier lives then you had?

[Corbic]

This right here is the problem with Trump. Ive seen outhouses in West Virginia, rundown shopping center after center after center, closed hospitals and no stoplight town after town after town, but Baltimore is the problem. In the wealthiest state in the union. With the best hospital in the country. The gov of montana had to fly his kid to SLC for after a heart attack; living somewhere where there is no hospitals is the bigger issue for the greater number of americans. The "real americans", out of the cities, living on anger and a carton of cigarettes a week. That WV town where there were millions of pills were prescribed for hundreds of residents, thats an issue. But Trump said Baltimore (gasp), so you repeat it back.



Trump called out Baltimore to drive home the hypocrisy of the DNC. The fucker is crying in front of Congress about kids in cages but hasn't done shit for his own people in 25 years.

I bring it up because the DNC has their panties in a twist about how racist and problematic language like "rat infested" is.

As for WV and Montana, everyone knows the problem there. They are FUCKING POOR. How can you expect to have a billion dollar medical complex with world leading care.... In a town of 4,500 with a Dollar General and 7/11?

Areas like California, Chicago, Detroit and Baltimore? With billions in tax money, millions in citizens... How the fuck you fuck that shit up? You can't even go "reeee reeee Republicans" since there hasn't been a fucking Republican on a ballot for 30 years in some cases.

Once again America succeeds because we have always skimmed the cream of the crop in people off the top of other countries. The people who couldn't be bothered to immigrate stayed in their home countries, the people who start business are the same ones who learned a new language in a new country through grit and will and determination. If we want America to succeed, we should be challenging the kids of kids of someone who immigrated here, who had it easy and coasted through life. If merit is the call, then natives should be concerned.

100% Agree. We need to stop illegal immigrants and refugees. Those are the ones coming here because they are to lazy to fix their own country and its easier to show up in America and expect a hand out.

Why try and legally immigrant? To hard, to much waiting! Just jump the fence and scream Nazi when they try and stop you.

We should be focused on the creative, innovative and hardworking from Europe, Central Asia and Pacifica Asia. Those who've gone to higher education, already learned English, reject inncompatible cultural views and have saved years of earnies to complete application fees. Who are willing to be inconvienved by background checks, medical exams, interviews and financial audits. Those willing to contribute and be part of the solution and not part of the problem.

[RalliartRsX]

Corbic, by far the largest welfare recipients are deep red states. So if we are going to go after Baltimore and all the other welfare "abuse" you accuse folks of color of being guilty of, you NEED to FIRST address the abuse by deep red states (read: low income white people).

Below are the states which receive the most in Welfare. As it turns out, those are also the states with the lowest tax rate. Who funds the tax rate for all the welfare recipients in deep red states?? Folks in deep Blue states.

I haven't gone through the rest of your posts yet. When I have time, I will address the rest



AP FACT CHECK: Blue high-tax states fund red low-tax states

By STEPHEN OHLEMACHERDecember 9, 2017


In this Dec. 5, 2017, photo, House Speaker Paul Ryan of Wis., speaks on Capitol Hill in Washington. Republican leaders have spent months promoting the myth that red low-tax states are subsidizing blue high-tax states because of the deduction for state and local taxes. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)


WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican leaders have spent months promoting the myth that red low-tax states are subsidizing blue high-tax states because of the deduction for state and local taxes.

An Associated Press Fact Check finds it’s actually the other way around. High-tax, traditionally Democratic states (blue), subsidize low-tax, traditionally Republican states (red) — in a big way.

Republicans are trying to eliminate the deduction as part of the sweeping tax package working its way through Congress. They added back a deduction for up to $10,000 in property taxes, in a concession to Republicans from high-tax states such as New York and New Jersey. California Republicans are pushing to extend the deduction to local income taxes, too.


It is true that taxpayers in high-tax states benefit the most from the deduction. However, these states send far more tax dollars to Washington than residents in low-tax states.

In fact, most high-tax states send more money to Washington than they get back in federal spending. Most low-tax states make a profit from the federal government’s system of taxing and spending.

HOUSE SPEAKER PAUL RYAN:

— Ryan said the rest of the country is “propping up profligate, big-government states.”

— “States that got their act together are paying for states that didn’t,” the Wisconsin Republican said.

TREASURY SECRETARY STEVEN MNUCHIN:

— “We are getting the federal government out of the business of subsidizing states. That is going to impact high-tax states.”

THE FACTS:

Connecticut residents paid an average of $15,643 per person in federal taxes in 2015, according to a report by the Rockefeller Institute of Government. Massachusetts paid $13,582 per person, New Jersey paid $13,137 and New York paid $12,820.

California residents paid an average of $10,510.

At the other end, Mississippi residents paid an average of $5,740 per person, while West Virginia paid $6,349, Kentucky paid $6,626 and South Carolina paid $6,665.

Low-tax red states also fare better when you take into account federal spending.

Mississippi received $2.13 for every tax dollar the state sent to Washington in 2015, according to the Rockefeller study. West Virginia received $2.07, Kentucky got $1.90 and South Carolina got $1.71.

Meanwhile, New Jersey received 74 cents in federal spending for tax every dollar the state sent to Washington. New York received 81 cents, Connecticut received 82 cents and Massachusetts received 83 cents.


California fared a bit better than other blue states. It received 96 cents for every dollar the state sent to Washington.

On average, states received $1.14 in federal spending for every tax dollar they sent to Washington. That’s why the federal government has a budget deficit.

[silverarrow27]

I could not agree more.



I've been paying in taxes my whole life.

The government keeps wasting it on wars, walls and putting children in cages. They're not fixing my roads, providing healthcare, etc., the Republicans aren't helping me.

Here's the rub, unless you vote for people & policies, not just one party or the other, you'll never see that realized.

Also a key is seeing what is BS and what isn't.



ZERO refugees allowed in is being floated by the Trump administration. That's you too, well it would be if you weren't grandfathered in and now being shitty about it.

Birthright citizenship is the way it should be. Everyone should understand that, but especially someone in your position. Don't be a selfish jerk.

I agree about voting for policies...unfortunately its been a trend in all levels of government that saying one thing and doing another is very typical nowadays. You just can't win.

As for your refugees comment, all I've read so far talks about closing loop holes. Nothing wrong with legal immigrants. Nothing wrong with refugees and I'm not being shitty about it. You're taking it personal. Not being a selfish jerk here. There's a huge trend that's been talked about for a long time now about anchor babies from people around the world coming here to have their baby and then leave, main source seems to be from China. If you're not going to deal with that now, when? There's been long time talk about illegal immigrants that gets released and never shows up for their hearing. There's been talks about asylum seekers that don't have any basis to actually seek asylum legally. Loop holes will have to be closed and rules tightened eventually. Am I glad my family made it in before the Trump Administration? Sure and we came here lawfully within its immigration laws during that time period. What irks me is illegal immigration is just that, illegal. My family waited more than three years in a refugee camp set up by the US government going through numerous screenings, medical checks, and made sure we had American sponsors in order to come here to America. We had no family here when we first arrived if you're thinking about calling me out for chain migration. Look, its up to Congress to come up with a solution. Not Trump. Whatever immigration changes there are in the future will be a bipartisan solution, not Trump's solution. I just read an article a bit ago about the GOP wanting to fix our immigration issues, but Democrats aren't showing up to get a quorum.

At the end of the day, our laws evolve with our current climate. Has Republicans done things I hate? Yes. Has Democrats done things I hate? Yes. Would I wish the Democrat and Republican parties would just disappear? Yes.

[Corbic]

Corbic, by far the largest welfare recipients are deep red states. So if we are going to go after Baltimore and all the other welfare "abuse" you accuse folks of color of being guilty of, you NEED to FIRST address the abuse by deep red states (read: low income white people).

Below are the states which receive the most in Welfare. As it turns out, those are also the states with the lowest tax rate. Who funds the tax rate for all the welfare recipients in deep red states?? Folks in deep Blue states.

I haven't gone through the rest of your posts yet. When I have time, I will address the restDid I once, ever say "go after Baltimore, leave West Virginia alone?"


Didn't think so.

[Corbic]

I agree about voting for policies...unfortunately its been a trend in all levels of government that saying one thing and doing another is very typical nowadays. You just can't win.


It's the polarization of ideology.

30 years ago, many subjects had an independent coefiecent to one another.

Pro-Gay Marriage did not originally indicate Anti-Gun or Pro-Illegal Immigration. Being Anti-abortion did not automatically mean ProA2 or Anti-NAFTA

Now, any single political topic is a strong indicator of multiple stances. The differences have also expanded significantly from mean, with the left moving to extremes.

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[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

It is all too common, however sometimes getting certain things done is not possible. A Democratic president with a republican house/senate will not be able to accomplish their goals. A Republican president with republican house/senate can/should be able to accomplish their goals...and yet Trump did what exactly?



**Other than nominating hugely biased judges and adding massively to the budget deficit


Well when you have Sabotaging RINOs like McCain....

Also, Wtf did Obama do? Weren't we just talking about Single Payer Healthcare and ACA? Funny how many policies Obama started are calls to arms under Trump (Immigrant DeathCamps, Muslim Bans, Giving the Russia Nukes)





Democrats ARE proposing solutions to immigration. Castro, Warren and others have outlined their positions thoroughly on exactly this.

Healthcare for all!!





A reminder that Saudi Arabia backed the 9/11 attackers, is carrying out an illegal war in Yemen and has waged actual war against the Right's favorite apocalyptic piece of land, Israel.

You are dodging the subject. Are you advocating for Trump to invade Saudi Arabia?







The Obama administration generally did not take the progressive/correct road. That is one of their many failures.

Why waterboard when you can just murder by Drone







WASHINGTON INJURY ATTORNEY BLOG DOT COM

Dodging again. Feel free to do some research. Dipshits.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1206908/Swine-flu-diagnosis-phone-scrapped-says-father-daughter-died-tonsillitis.html

Similarly tragic story from UK.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/4137214/teenage-sore-throat-tonsillitis-battling-leukaemia/





If socialized health care is so bad, why did Rand Paul go to Canada for surgery?

If Canada is so great, why do 45k Canadians a year come to thr US for out of pocket treatment? Hmmmm 45,000:1



https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-08-03/canadians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care

Or us US News a Nazi publication?

Huff Post "Unbiased" Enough?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/canadian-medical-tourism_n_5949b405e4b0db570d3778ff

Or, more Nazis at Forbes!


https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2018/06/11/canadians-are-one-in-a-million-while-waiting-for-medical-treatment/#5cc381803e7d








You're already paying for that because hospital rates are heightened for those who pay to cover those who do not. But yeah, enjoy paying thousands for insurance each year, plus thousands to meet your deductible at which point your insurance can maybe pay for your stuff.

Stop letting people get free ER treatment and limiting compettion.







Being rich should not be a qualifier to be president. Rich people do not represent the interests of 99% of Americans.

And yet it seems to be. Even good old Comrade Sanders is a millionaire.

Also, I don't want someone to "represent me", that's what Congress is. I want someone that can lead this shit show. From what I can see, Trump's leading the fucks around by the nose.







The UAE got to edit the President of the United States' speech on oil.

So what. You think that's the first or last time?




JFK was never a leftist liberal. He was the 1960 version of Hillary, just more charismatic.

Show me a single policy they agree on. Are you saying had Nixon won, we'd have seen mass protests and pussy hat freaks screaming in the streets?

If anything, he was 1960's Donald Trump. Who likely got killed by 1960's House of Cards Clinton, LBJ.









By what metric is he the most successful president in the last twenty five years?

By what metric is he not?




Any kids born now will inevitably have worse lives than their parents as a result of the climate disaster we won't be able to avoid unless we take SERIOUS action.

I forgot the world is ending in 10 years.

What action do you suggest? Should we release a plauge and wipe out China and India? A total embargo of all Chinese manufactured exports? A ban on international shipping?

Oh wait, you fucks want to save the world by banning straws and airtravel.





Are you doing so by voting for a guy who wants to kill the planet and doesn't believe in global warming? No.

Well, Global warming is going to pay dividen for anyone investing in Russia... Might even make your shitty roads better.

Fucking with the average American isn't solving the root cause of Global Warming. It's amusing you act like you give a shit, but turn around and advocate for more thrid world immigration.

Bringing more people from low-resource utilization regions and into high-resource utilization regions is counter productive.

The factors driving global polition are Brazil, India and Asia. The billions of tons of garbage in the ocean is coming from Asia, not my fucking local Starbucks.

So if anything, Trump's hardline to China (something you people appose/mock) is going to curtail the two biggest sources of polition. China's industrial rise, and international shipping.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html

If Daily mail isn't liberal enough, feel free to Google it. It was carried by dozens of sources for a while .. But nobody gives a shit. Just like no one on the left truly gives a shit about climate change.

If you really thought the world was going to end in 12 years.. That humanity was on the verge of extinction, you'd not be in here arguing about Trump's doopy ties or letting illegal aliens into the US. You'd be pushing for mass sterilization, and nuking China and India. A massive Radioactive Continental Asia would save the world. The wilderness would thrive and human development would cease.

[SteffbuiltNOLA]

Quick question. Who in here is Hispanic? Of those that are Hispanic, how many are not behind trump on his immigration policy?

[supersayianjim]

build the wall

send her back

did I mention the wall?

[Corbic]

Quick question. Who in here is Hispanic? Of those that are Hispanic, how many are not behind trump on his immigration policy?I speak better Spanish then Beto, my college roommate's father was an illegal, half my extended family in Texas are Mexicans and I work with people in Mexico everyday.....


So I self identify as a Hombre, respect my proverbs.

[Corbic]

Lolwut?

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[Corbic]

https://youtu.be/LcjaTKGxo10

[lewisfk]

Corbin, most of the Southern states never implemented the ACA or even extended medicare! You can't say it failed when a third of the country didn't even get it. The country gives more welfare to corporations than it's people. Welfare and food stamps are a part of the Farm Bill, and black people didn't receive any of those benefits until the 1950s or later. So cities that are predominately black like Baltimore will always have higher rates of poverty and violence do to the lack of infrastructure and redlining. Minorities are finally getting a decent shot to earn some financial wealth or the past 15 years in a hand full of democratic cities in the U.S. Please remember Tulsa, OK and Black Wall Street! Quick history lesson for you.

[lewisfk]

Corbin, most of the Southern states never implemented the ACA or even extended medicare! You can't say it failed when a third of the country didn't even get it. The country gives more welfare to corporations than it's people. Welfare and food stamps are a part of the Farm Bill, and black people didn't receive any of those benefits until the 1950s or later. So cities that are predominately black like Baltimore will always have higher rates of poverty and violence do to the lack of infrastructure and redlining. Minorities are finally getting a decent shot to earn some financial wealth over the last 15 years in a hand full of democratic cities in the U.S. Please remember Tulsa, OK and Black Wall Street! Quick history lesson for you.

[RalliartRsX]

Corbin, most of the Southern states never implemented the ACA or even extended medicare! You can't say it failed when a third of the country didn't even get it. The country gives more welfare to corporations than it's people. Welfare and food stamps are a part of the Farm Bill, and black people didn't receive any of those benefits until the 1950s or later. So cities that are predominately black like Baltimore will always have higher rates of poverty and violence do to the lack of infrastructure and redlining. Minorities are finally getting a decent shot to earn some financial wealth over the last 15 years in a hand full of democratic cities in the U.S. Please remember Tulsa, OK and Black Wall Street! Quick history lesson for you.

The nuances of the argument, which is key, is what Corbic typically fails at recognizing.

For instance; yes, the detention centers were built doing Obama's term. However, the nuance of the argument is, it was NOT built based off the policy of the Obama administration ACTIVELY pursuing, participating and drafting up policy to FORCE family separation. The centers were built for children who crossed into the US, as unaccompanied minors and acted as as a (required by law) 72 hour holding until the child is transferred to HHS and until the parents/guardians of the minors could be located.

That nuanced portion is a KEY separation of the Obama era detention centers and the ACTIVE policy of the current admin.

However, that point is forever lost to one line zingers, shitty talking heads ala a ESPN style panels and just overall shitty misinformation campaign which foster division, racism and just down right lies.

Which is also why I do not bother to post here as although it forces me to go in search of all the non citation opinions posted by Corbic, I simply do not have enough time in the day to run down every single false narrative.........or can stay as angry as Corbic. It's simply unhealthy :(

Also, which is another nuanced argument which fails to get mentioned; The CONSTITUTION makes is lawful for ANY immigrant who is seeking asylum to not be classified as an illegal immigrant. Often times, they are just lumped in with the folks who come here without such a designation. This is key, and what most fail to recognize. The CONSTITUTION allows it, however, people only reference the Constitution and their own interpretation when it fits a their own narrow specific narrative (see the most inane interpretation of 2nd Amendment)

I digress...

[Corbic]

Corbin, most of the Southern states never implemented the ACA or even extended medicare!

Proof and data please.

You can't say it failed when a third of the country didn't even get it.

Where they supposed to? I was never going to benifit from it with my "caddilac healthcare" that I lost because of it.

The country gives more welfare to corporations than it's people.

Lie.

Welfare and food stamps are a part of the Farm Bill, and black people didn't receive any of those benefits until the 1950s or later.

What's your point?

So cities that are predominately black like Baltimore will always have higher rates of poverty and violence do to the lack of infrastructure and redlining.

MORE LIES


Minorities are finally getting a decent shot to earn some financial wealth or the past 15 years in a hand full of democratic cities in the U.S. Please remember Tulsa, OK and Black Wall Street! Quick history lesson for you.

PURE BULLSHIT.

[Corbic]

The nuances of the argument, which is key, is what Corbic typically fails at recognizing.



Lie



For instance; yes, the detention centers were built doing Obama's term. However, the nuance of the argument is, it was NOT built based off the policy of the Obama administration ACTIVELY pursuing, participating and drafting up policy to FORCE family separation. The centers were built for children who crossed into the US, as unaccompanied minors and acted as as a (required by law) 72 hour holding until the child is transferred to HHS and until the parents/guardians of the minors could be located.



That nuanced portion is a KEY separation of the Obama era detention centers and the ACTIVE policy of the current admin.

Should be easy to provide Links then.

You do realize we don't house childern with adults in prison. You do realize 30% of these childern are not related to the adults they arrive with. You do realize these people are free to go home at any time. You do realize AOC and o the DNC members willingly blocked funding to improve conditions.

You do realize pretty much all the problems we have now existed prior to Trump. It's a lot like Bush. People shit them selves over Gitmo, Watetboarding and the Patriot Act. Obama second in, never heard about Gitmo again, striaght up killing American Citizens with drones in countries were not currently at war with and a 400% increase in the Patriot Act usage. Not a peep.

Not even going to bother to source since you won't read them or return the courtesy.





Blah blah, rhetoric, personnel attacks and avoiding any actual discussion



Also, which is another nuanced argument which fails to get mentioned; The CONSTITUTION makes is lawful for ANY immigrant who is seeking asylum to not be classified as an illegal immigrant. Often times, they are just lumped in with the folks who come here without such a designation. This is key, and what most fail to recognize. The CONSTITUTION allows it, however, people only reference the Constitution and their own interpretation when it fits a their own narrow specific narrative (see the most inane interpretation of 2nd Amendment)



I digress...

Soooo which amendment is it then that says you can bypass all immigration laws regarding refugee status and asylum application?

But I digress. You'll just spew more personnel attacks and avoid any rational, fact based discussion. An inconvenient truth.

[spooled240]

You all act like Obama didn't deport 5 million illegal immigrants..

[RalliartRsX]

Corbic


I will address a few items in your response

1) Please point out where I made personal attacks against you?? You have called people "complete idiot" (see below for your quote). That's a personal attack. Stating that you missed the finer detail in an opinion and with me citing proper sources to justify this statement, is called a discussion. I am not sure why you are unable to differentiate between the two. Your post is additional ironic, as you state Nazis are Socialist in this very same post and have since just ignored my postings on this.....


Corbic Post 1301 in Trump thread (https://zilvia.net/f/showpost.php?p=6351256&postcount=1301)

No, he's just a complete idiot who dodges everyone question and point.

He seriously tried to make a statement that Nazis are not Socialists.

2) Do not accuse me of not reading your source. Example
I pointed out your statement linking a Nazi to the Dem party through a socialist argument is incorrect as you missed the nuanced portion. I provided links through Britannica and historical citation. You decided to not address and continue to ignore those links and references when continuing to sprout this categorically false narrative. You provided a video in regards to a Marxist POV which "supposedly" supported your argument. I watched the video and commented that your supposed evidence, completely debunks your argument within the first 3 mins (as that TEK explicitly stated). So please do not levy such an accusation when you yourself have decided to actually ignore historical markers.

3) Fair statement in regards to immigration. I will be a bit more nuanced in my discussion about

According to the Constitution, the term immigration is not explicitly stated. However, Article I, Section 8, Clause 4 does read, “… Congress is responsible to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, …”

https://www.theamericanview.com/constitution-course-supplemental-assignments/what-authority-does-the-u-s-constitution-give-the-federal-government-regarding-immigration/

Now, as it stands, according to the current law as set forth by Congress in regards to Assylum seekers (refugees)

Asylum is a protection granted to foreign nationals already in the United States or at the border who meet the international law definition of a “refugee.” The United Nations 1951 Convention and 1967 Protocol define a refugee as a person who is unable or unwilling to return to his or her home country, and cannot obtain protection in that country, due to past persecution or a well-founded fear of being persecuted in the future “on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.” Congress incorporated this definition into U.S. immigration law in the Refugee Act of 1980.

By the Law of the land, Assylum seekers are supported under "legal" immigration. The nuanced issue; the Trump Admin hasn't made any changes to the current law through Congress so this Law should be recognized.



You all act like Obama didn't deport 5 million illegal immigrants..

.........Please point out where I stated this at ANY point in time. The topic of discussion here is; relating detention centers as setup by the Obama admin (which I acknowledge) to the current Admin Seperation of Family. That is NOT what I stated in my post or what I brought up in terms of nuance discussion. That has NO impact on family separation as set forth by the Current Admin.

And please cite where the Obama admin deported 5M illegal immigrants. As it stands, according to the actual statistic from DHS its a little more than 3M (which includes a mix of Criminals and non criminals)

And I still have no idea what that has to do with Family Separation, which is the target of my discussion ............

Immigration Statistics (https://www.axios.com/immigration-ice-deportation-trump-obama-a72a0a44-540d-46bc-a671-cd65cf72f4b1.html)

[exitspeed]

God this is the most pointless thread on the internet.

No one is going to change their mind in any way shape or form.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[SteffbuiltNOLA]

I speak better Spanish then Beto, my college roommate's father was an illegal, half my extended family in Texas are Mexicans and I work with people in Mexico everyday.....


So I self identify as a Hombre, respect my proverbs.

Lol you can self identify however you want but I identify you as a dingleberry that didn’t answer the second half of the question. Nah I’m asking bc I wanna hear who is Hispanic and why or why not support trump’s immigration stance. I here a lot of libs that say conservatives can’t speak for, god I hate this phrase, poc’s but somehow they can.

[lewisfk]

Proof and data please.



Where they supposed to? I was never going to benifit from it with my "caddilac healthcare" that I lost because of it.



Lie.



What's your point?



MORE LIES



PURE BULLSHIT.

Its PURE BULLSHIT THAT A City with highest number of Black millionaires outside of New York was fire boomed including houses, black hospital, and any black owned structure. Private property taken from their houses. People beat to death, and that's all bullshit. All my information comes from NPR, PBS, FBI Crime, and BBC.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

its pure bullshit that a city with highest number of black millionaires outside of new york was fire boomed including houses, black hospital, and any black owned structure. Private property taken from their houses. People beat to death, and that's all bullshit. All my information comes from npr, pbs, fbi crime, and bbc.hundred years ago bruh. Fuck off

[Corbic]

Yeah the attack on Black Wall Street happened.



How he denies this I don't understand.



Then again, people deny other things with a mountain of proof against them.There you go. Straight up lying, making slanderous statements and changing the subject so no actual discussion can take place.

[lewisfk]

hundred years ago bruh. Fuck off

How long does it take to build wealth and equity? Black and Hispanic people through the 1900s were exploited by this government and made to be the villains when economic hardship devastated the middle to low-income white demographic. Every city in the U.S has placed its poor and the minorities strategically in industrial and flood planes to control their prosperity and numbers. This is accomplished through heavy-handed policing and laws like red-lining. No jobs and quality housing leads to crime, alcoholism, and drug use. These are the same things every civilization through history faced, to include the Romans. History will continue to repeat it's self as long as people can not engage in a constructive conversation, without name-calling. The U.S. thirst for drugs and the war on drugs, coupled with corrupt South American governments lead to the crisis at the border. Contra- Contraband!

[SteffbuiltNOLA]

How long does it take to build wealth and equity? Black and Hispanic people through the 1900s were exploited by this government and made to be the villains when economic hardship devastated the middle to low-income white demographic. Every city in the U.S has placed its poor and the minorities strategically in industrial and flood planes to control their prosperity and numbers. This is accomplished through heavy-handed policing and laws like red-lining. No jobs and quality housing leads to crime, alcoholism, and drug use. These are the same things every civilization through history faced, to include the Romans. History will continue to repeat it's self as long as people can not engage in a constructive conversation, without name-calling. The U.S. thirst for drugs and the war on drugs, coupled with corrupt South American governments lead to the crisis at the border. Contra- Contraband!
Ahahahaha yo I’m sorry but I think you give the government way too much credit like they are some legit evil geniuses. Politicians just want money and power and they do the same thing over and over and people fall for it religiously. They exploit your emotions and every generation has had the same reactionaries that get caught up in the moment. So let’s jump on your minorities being help down theory. Guess what I am bud. I would be Hispanic. Second generation, by the way, and my family is by no means rich. But guess what! My generation makes twice what our parents make at half the age. Let’s look at why. Because all of us have busted our ass to get where we are today. My wife, the white girl, comes from a low income family. Guess what she’s doing. Busting her ass. The funny thing about history though is that it’s just that. You learn from your mistakes and never forget but you do not dwell on it. This is the issue I have with the far left. They cry about shit that has never for a split second concerned them. And let’s not forget about the white saviors, ya know, the white people that think they are better than minorities so they should think for them. Yea, I hope you can tell I love those people. Anyways I’m rambling and going on a tangent. If your a lib, you think trump is a racist. If your a conservative then you more than likely see trump as a living, breathing internet troll. Anyways, your post, specifically, stuck a nerve. :mrmeph:

[lewisfk]

Ahahahaha yo I’m sorry but I think you give the government way too much credit like they are some legit evil geniuses. Politicians just want money and power and they do the same thing over and over and people fall for it religiously. They exploit your emotions and every generation has had the same reactionaries that get caught up in the moment. So let’s jump on your minorities being help down theory. Guess what I am bud. I would be Hispanic. Second generation, by the way, and my family is by no means rich. But guess what! My generation makes twice what our parents make at half the age. Let’s look at why. Because all of us have busted our ass to get where we are today. My wife, the white girl, comes from a low income family. Guess what she’s doing. Busting her ass. The funny thing about history though is that it’s just that. You learn from your mistakes and never forget but you do not dwell on it. This is the issue I have with the far left. They cry about shit that has never for a split second concerned them. And let’s not forget about the white saviors, ya know, the white people that think they are better than minorities so they should think for them. Yea, I hope you can tell I love those people. Anyways I’m rambling and going on a tangent. If your a lib, you think trump is a racist. If your a conservative then you more than likely see trump as a living, breathing internet troll. Anyways, your post, specifically, stuck a nerve. :mrmeph:

First, of when I post things like this, I actually do the research. I'm happy your family was able to prosper, but not everyone has that opportunity. There are segments of the population who continue to struggle, and that touches a nerve for me. People should have an equal chance to prosper and have equal rights. People like Susan B. Anthony of the woman suffrage movement and Martin Luther King fought for these rights. I can't stand by and have people slander and demonize poor people because they're born into poverty or don't have the right color of skin. I still have friends, who served in two wars and are not citizens. This Commander and Chief stop the program that gave citizenship to these Patriots. This program was started by President Bush to help bolster troop levels during the war on terror. I'm proud to serve and I'm not blind to this Country History of greatness and miss deeds!

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/dope/etc/cron.html

[SteffbuiltNOLA]

First, of when I post things like this, I actually do the research. I'm happy your family was able to prosper, but not everyone has that opportunity. There are segments of the population who continue to struggle, and that touches a nerve for me. People should have an equal chance to prosper and have equal rights. People like Susan B. Anthony of the woman suffrage movement and Martin Luther King fought for these rights. I can't stand by and have people slander and demonize poor people because they're born into poverty or don't have the right color of skin. I still have friends, who served in two wars and are not citizens. This Commander and Chief stop the program that gave citizenship to these Patriots. This program was started by President Bush to help bolster troop levels during the war on terror. I'm proud to serve and I'm not blind to this Country History of greatness and miss deeds!

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/dope/etc/cron.html

First, I would like to say thank you because at the end of the day we are just 2 assholes in America. Second, you said that you served so thank you again. Now let’s get back on topic. I’ve done plenty of research but experience is worth more. I went to a public school and I tried my ass off. I got good grades and graduated with honors again because I put forth the effort. The funny thing is I went to college for business but didn’t like the thought of being in an office. I chose to start working as an automotive technician and got really good but it was a choice. My cousin stayed in college and is an accountant as does make more but again it was a choice. I bring this up because the kids, regardless of their race/religion or whatever, that fucked off did nothing with their lives. Those are also the ones that cry about the inequality. I won’t disagree with military members getting citizenship but at the same if you lost that perk but still have the opportunity to work towards it still while your in the US then it kinda comes off as selfish. I agree if you are willing to die for this country, then you should get an easier path but you still have a path none-the-less. Also I will say that it’s a policy he made that you don’t like and I’ll agree with you just like I have a list of policies he’s made that I don’t like but over all he’s done good. That link looked like a history on weed. Guess what, Trump could fuck places like Colorado with the long cock of the law and he’s not.

[lewisfk]

Steff, what are talking about? Everyone has different experiences and I was not directly talking about you. Throughout this thread, I addressed individuals who were incapable of presenting facts. Politics of division left or right will only lead to distrust! I challenge people to post facts, from quality sources.

[spooled240]

.........Please point out where I stated this at ANY point in time. The topic of discussion here is; relating detention centers as setup by the Obama admin (which I acknowledge) to the current Admin Seperation of Family. That is NOT what I stated in my post or what I brought up in terms of nuance discussion. That has NO impact on family separation as set forth by the Current Admin.

And please cite where the Obama admin deported 5M illegal immigrants. As it stands, according to the actual statistic from DHS its a little more than 3M (which includes a mix of Criminals and non criminals)

And I still have no idea what that has to do with Family Separation, which is the target of my discussion ............

Immigration Statistics (https://www.axios.com/immigration-ice-deportation-trump-obama-a72a0a44-540d-46bc-a671-cd65cf72f4b1.html)

See the attached image with DHS statistics. Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than Trump has.

I only said that because it's a trend with the left to act like everything Trump is doing is some new thing that's never been done before.

Case in point: when the left lost their mind over the betsy ross flagged nike shoes but the same flag was displayed at Obama's inauguration without any complaints.

So you liked him then, right?

Obama was too right wing for me

What's funny is I voted for him the first time when I was a dumb college student that wanted "change". Then he turned out to be such a polarizing figure with a questionable agenda and he pushed me to the right ever since.
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[feito]

Lets not get too comfortable and go out and vote this elections. A lot is at stake, trump has brought out the worst in liberals and the left is completely unhinged, supporting the most outrageous proposals: open borders, universal basic income, free health care, weapons ban, SOCIALISM.
Im an immigrant, and I simply cant understand how so many of my peers can support some of these proposals. Perhaps that's why the places we escape from are in the state they are, one would figure we would learn the lesson...
And yes, even though there's a good percentage of us who vote against all that, the majority will still vote for the same old shit, turning your new home into the same old shithole. Same applies for so many people escaping from leftist "paradises"... So many californians here in TX laughing at our faces about how they can sell their house back home and buy a mansion here in texas, yet they still vote for the same old shit, it's so fucking ironic.

My boss, an immigrant like myself, started from the bottom, couple decades later owns his own (small) shop, his own properties, and he's an everyday millionare who still break his back working every single day elbow to elbow next to me. What it took? Sacrifice. Lots of it. And not a single hand out from the gvmt. The real american dream. But what most people dont understand, or rather want to ignore, is the sacrifice that it takes. Planning and saving for so long that most people wouldnt understand. Right before opening his shop he even had to sell his dream car, a fully restored 69 camaro ss.
So dont come in here yapping your mouth about how the system isnt fair. Our capitalist system is the best for those of us who are willing to pay the price to become something. The majority of rich people here in the states werent born rich.

The majority of people I know are poor thou, I know how we are....

[Corbic]

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[gbaby2089]

nopenopenopee

[SteffbuiltNOLA]

Steff, what are talking about? Everyone has different experiences and I was not directly talking about you. Throughout this thread, I addressed individuals who were incapable of presenting facts. Politics of division left or right will only lead to distrust! I challenge people to post facts, from quality sources.

My bad bud, it didn’t give me a notification that you replied. Anyways I was just stating that I’ve done plenty of research and coupled that with my experience and many other’s experiences. It’s after hearing countless people from all over the US having the same experiences, with the research I’ve done, that’s made me have the views that I do. Also I found it important to look at any situation from every possible point of view. Like I had said before, yea if you served the US military then you should get first dibs on citizenship but trump never took the opportunity to be a citizen away. He just didn’t give it away. I hear from almost everyone that’s left leaning, that one of the biggest hurdles is the cost but it isn’t that expensive in US dollars. The question then becomes, why didn’t they save and start their path to citezinship if it was that important to them?

[Corbic]

All of those are from right wing extremist 'meme pages'.



Not real.



Typical Trump voter, research, facts, etc.? Why do those when I can just take the word of my fellow 30 something basement dweller who also uses facebook like a septuagenarian.



Did you seriously have to do research to figure out the DNC is not behind #demandvoterid ??



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[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[RalliartRsX]

3 Mass shootings in less than a week

The gop has been VERY quiet in this regard. No one even spoke about the one last week in California.

trump played golf for most of Sunday.....

That is your president folks.....

[Corbic]

The terrorists who murdered 20 people on Saturday was a big Trump fan.

Fucking lie.

Go read his manifesto. He hated Corporations, and was a total whack job that even claimed "race mixing weakens the genetic pool". Total mouth breathing loser.

He even states "I know Trump will get blamed, I've been wanting to do this for 6 years and I don't care if he gets blamed".

It's also perverse how Social Media instantly deletes these accounts so no one can see what "warning signs" look like and critique the real "reasons".

Instead, all we get to go on is the media saying "white shooter!!!"

As for Ohio, guy was a huge Obama fan and killed his own sister, there is certainly more to that story then just "Nazis Attack! The Blitz Again!!"


Lastly, yawn.

Funny the media didn't carry this story -

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-killed-several-wounded-south-bend-bar-shooting-n1020746

This coming from Pete Buttgimp's hometown. I also belive it was 12 shot, two refused treatment and to give statements and ultimately a second victim died. Why is this not a "Holy Fuck Mass Shooting!!" I don't even think they have a suspect yet and no one is talking. (Hint, this doesn't fit the Nazi narrative)


All anyone cares about is a White Cop shot a Blackman breaking into cars at 2am.

It's a fucking joke. Had three more Shootings over the weekend in South Bend. If you know anything, call crime stoppers, cause the victims site the fuck won't speak up.

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[Corbic]

trump played golf for most of Sunday.....

That is your president folks.....

Normal weekend in Baltimore, what's our boy Elijah Cummings been up too?

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2018/07/22/violent-weekend-baltimore-shootings/

34 homicides in July.

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[RalliartRsX]

Elijah, is NOT our current president.

Please stop moving the goal posts.

It's amazing. Obama gets tagged for wearing a tan suit and golfing how many days out of the year. Trump has surpassed the days Obama golfed during his 8 year.......and it only took trump ~ 3 years to do so.

Now, trump plays golf during a mass murder, and Corbic is pivoting to Baltimore. People have died and yet, Corbic allows his partisan bias to continue to ignore the lives of innocent people. Dude, at some point in your life, you need to take the blinders off....this is that point.

Yeah, exitspeed is right, no one here is going to change their minds. trump is also right, he could off someone on Pennsylvania ave, and Corbic would cheer.....

Good day to you Corbic. I wish to NEVER get to level of hate you are at currently...

[RalliartRsX]

Corbic, from almost all news sources, there are NO details about the shooter in Dayton being an Obama supporter. Please provide your UNBIASED sources.

[Corbic]

Elijah, is NOT our current president.

Please stop moving the goal posts.


Didn't move shit. If Texas is Trump's fault cause he is President (that's a stretch) then Baltimore is Elijah's fault since that's his district.

If anything, Elijah is more at fault since he's been in office for 20 years and it's a much more narrow scope.

It's amazing. Obama gets tagged for wearing a tan suit and golfing how many days out of the year. Trump has surpassed the days Obama golfed during his 8 year.......and it only took trump ~ 3 years to do so.

Now, trump plays golf during a mass murder, and Corbic is pivoting to Baltimore. People have died and yet, Corbic allows his partisan bias to continue to ignore the lives of innocent people. Dude, at some point in your life, you need to take the blinders off....this is that point.


Look who's talking. Crying about the dude playing Golf during what? A warm weekend in Chicago?


Yeah, exitspeed is right, no one here is going to change their minds. trump is also right, he could off someone on Pennsylvania ave, and Corbic would cheer.....

You mean like a Clinton?

Good day to you Corbic. I wish to NEVER get to level of hate you are at currently...

What hate? I hope to never reach your level of cognitive disconnect.

I point out rational facts about a shooting and you want to argue about who wore what and played more Golf....

[Corbic]

Corbic, from almost all news sources, there are NO details about the shooter in Dayton being an Obama supporter. Please provide your UNBIASED sources.A real shame how "Social Media" scrubbed the guys accounts, no?

[RalliartRsX]

Corbic, you do you bud...........

I have nothing else to add......

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Dayton shooter was a known anti-women/incel type.

Yeah man, leftists are known for that :rollseyes:
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Well, we all know Alpha Chad Types support Trump, and THOT supporting Soyboy Beta Incels are left...

Also, anyone sane of mind would realize such attacks are 100% counter productive. Just look at NZ? What came of it? They banned all guns and tripped the acceptance of Islamic Refugees.

If this twat wanted to "support the right", he should have joined the next Antifa protest as an Antifa actor and started shooting whatever "right wing" group they were protesting to martyr the cause.

False Flags work, just look at the Spanish American War, WW1 (several countries), burning of the Reichstadt, invasion of Poland, Vietnam War, WMD and Iraq 2.0, Syrian Gas Attacks, on and on and on.


Is Washington Times a Nazi site? I can't keep track.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/4/connor-betts-ohio-gunman-was-elizabeth-warren-supp/

Guys name is Connor Betts, tons of shit popping up of him being a leftist antifa nut on a Google search. Is it true? Who knows. Does it even matter? Sucks Social Media deleted all his accounts so we can't see for our selves.

Now if you pull the dildo out of your ass, it's lot easier to see that crazy people have done crazy shit for years. Regardless of whatever these idiots claim to justify their actions, at the end of the day, they are wack jobs who have been pumping out warning signs for years.

Even if you ban all the guns, they'll still have access to truck rentals, fertizlier and diesel fuel.

So what is a better method to provide early identification and engagement to such people?

Scrubbing the world of their internet presence and "refusing to give them fame" by withholding names and details is asinine at best.

Their whole life should be dumped in front of us so we can scrutinize and understand what might be warning signs. Just look at the Vegas shooter... Whole fucking world went silent on his ass.

Once we do that we need to have a serious, technical discussion on what to do with the mentally unstable and the chronicly homeless.

[Corbic]

Mentally Unstable and Chronicly Homeless

(topic change, sepporate post)

This country has a problem. We shut down the assylums and dumped these people into the streets. It's very hard to get treatment to disturbed adults. Once your 17, all you have to say is "Nope" and you can reject treatment.

West Coast homeless problem is not because rent is to high, minimum wage too low and racsims. It's chronic drug use and mental disabilities.

Personally, I think establishing rustic camping sites that offer free food, housing and BASIC medical care is the answer. This would be log cabins with only lighting and wood stoves, whole food like potatoes and stew and medical care like broken limb setting, asprine and antibiotics.

Residents would be expected to fell trees for fire wood, manage the grounds and latrines, wash and mend clothing, cook food etc. In turn, it's better than living on the street and they can just hang out in their hammocks getting high all day long once thier choirs are done.

Is it grim? Yup
Is it awful? Maybe

Is it more humane to the homeless and society instead of letting them rot on street corners, under bridges and in parks? You bet.

[exitspeed]

Dayton shooter was a known anti-women/incel type.

Yeah man, leftists are known for that :rollseyes:

Also, the El Paso shooter liked this photo on twitter:

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2019/08/elpaso_image.jpg?resize=865,452&quality=65



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From this graphic we can either gather Trump has a lot more POC that support him than the media portrays (which I actually do believe, just not in this case), or very few of the mass shootings are done by extremists on the Right. It’s just the agenda what the Liberal ran media pushes.

The latter is obviously the case.

I watched Colion Noir on TMZ this afternoon and the thing I got from it is people have NO FUCKING clue what semi auto means. Colion tried to explain it but got stepped on, and also didn’t do the best job. He got close but they went a different direction. The TMZ hosts were in fact advocating for the government to start taking people’s semi auto weapons (“why do you even need one?”). What they don’t realize is even a revolver is semi auto. Colion tried to make the point that virtually anything other than a muzzle loader is semi auto and they just laughed it off...ie DON’T know WTF they’re talking about. Over and over they interchangeably used semi auto and assault rifle, thinking only AR’s are semi auto.

What I do wish he would have stressed as well is that most fire arm murders are done with hand guns, and not AR’s.

Taking people’s firearms is NOT going to happen in the US. This ain’t Australia. The sheer talk of that will lead to sky rocketing firearm and ammo sales. I’ll be right there with everyone.





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[Corbic]

I know you have zero understanding of how US government works, but a congressman is not a mayor, city council member, governor, member of the state senate/house, etc.

Just like a POTUS is not responsible for security at a Walmart in El Passo?

EC is supposed to represent his constituents at the Federal level. Illegal aliens detained in Texas are not his constituents.

I don't see him screaming for Federal help to clean up his litter box. That's something most of these scumbags have forgotten because they get entrenched without the risk of losing their seat and are more interested in taking care of the party. (that's both parties, BTW)

[spooled240]

So is AOC to blame for the attack on the ICE facility that happened a little while ago?

Is Obama responsible for the shootings of the Dallas police officers back in 2016?

Just want to see if there's any consistency here..

[lewisfk]

Exitspeed please add the link to were you got that info. The FBI crime stats are not tracking that many shootings in the U.S. involving 4 or more victims. 2149

Check this out!

https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/ucr/nibrs

[RalliartRsX]

Exitspeed please add the link to were you got that info. The FBI crime stats are not tracking that many shootings in the U.S. involving 4 or more victims. 2149

Check this out!

https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/ucr/nibrs

I have my doubts the sources will be of unbiased in nature. And below is based off a little digging I did on this particular image.

If you do a Google image search, it was originally perpetuated and posted by David Duke (David Duke.com)

And who is David Duke you ask??

The one and only 5th Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan

If one are going to reference source material perpetuated by the Grand Wizard of the KKK in an debate then I question the credibility and one should question it's own source material......

In addition, several things I noticed right away in my search
1) There are no names or associated crimes attached to the images and it just seems like a collage of random pics with a caption. My search brings up exactly zilch on who exactly these people are


2) The image is so small, I am unable to make out the text in the lower right.

However, if it fits a certain narrative one is trying to portray, in that sense ofcourse it can be used in a argument.......REGARDLESS of the original source and who perpetuates it, right??

In addition, this has been picked up by 4Chan and several other ultra conservative media and sites...........and ultra conservative media are the only sources citing this image. No where else via either FBI database, or any other official crime statistic is citing this info.

So I am not sure what to make of that particular post apart from it being a collage of images with a Photoshoped title....

[exitspeed]

Exitspeed please add the link to were you got that info. The FBI crime stats are not tracking that many shootings in the U.S. involving 4 or more victims. 2149

Check this out!

https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/ucr/nibrs

I didn’t make the graphic, but I did some independent research about a month and a half ago and went back like 20 mass shootings and indeed it’s not all white guys. Not even close. I basically went off of the Wiki page of the list of mass shootings and then googled each one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

I was discussing mass shootings and Right extremism with a friend, who worked for Obama, because he claimed (erroneously) that “all mass shootings in 2019 were done by Right Wing extremists”. So I spent about an hr doing the research and sending him the names of mass shooters. Afterwards he admitted he made that statement in error. Which really pissed me off because I spent all that damn time looking the shit up.

Fact is, it’s not only white people. It’s certainly not only or even mostly right wing extremists. And what no one on the left gives a fuck about are the countless minority’s being murdered every single day in democrat ran shitholes (Chicago, Milwaukee, etc) around the country. Which are almost exclusively done with handguns.

So yeah, speaking of narratives. That doesn’t fit.

Oh and speaking of David Duke. https://www.instagram.com/p/B0zmH5anL7v/?igshid=1u2u57fiuzwoi

[exitspeed]

I'll also add Dan O'Donnell's research he posted today.

https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2019-08-05-the-mass-shooting-myth/

In the wake of the deadly mass shootings in Dayton and El Paso over the weekend, traditional and social media exploded with the astonishing claim that America has had more than 250 such mass shooting incidents in just the first seven months of this year. In fact, with more than 250 incidents in just 219 days, the number of mass shootings has dwarfed the number of days in 2019.

This claim has, of course, been used to bolster arguments that America is an inherently violent place, that it needs stricter gun control laws and even gun confiscation, and that politicians (Republicans specifically) are complicit in this orgy of murder.

This claim is also wildly misleading at best and wholly inaccurate at worst.

The FBI defines a "mass murder" or "mass killing" as "a number of murders (four or more) occurring during the same incident, with no distinctive time period between the murders." There is no standard definition for "mass shooting." The "250 mass shootings in 219 days in 2019" claim comes from data collected by the Gun Violence Archive, which defines a mass shooting as any incident in which four or more people are shot.

This includes shootings in which no one was killed, domestic violence incidents, murder-suicides, gang and drug shootings, drive-by shootings, accidental firearm discharges, and any incident at all in which four people or more are shot. The commonly accepted definition of a mass shooting--an individual randomly opening fire on a group of people--varies significantly from this and thus a great deal of context is needed before the Gun Violence Archive's statistics can be accepted at face value.

The overwhelming majority of the 255 mass shootings in the database as of this writing were either gang-related shootings or domestic incidents that did not target random people. For instance, a full 20 of them (7.8%) occurred in the city of Chicago alone, and nearly all of these were drug and/or gang-related. Nine of the 255 mass shootings (3.5%) occurred in Baltimore, and again nearly all involved drugs and/or gangs. Six took place in Washington, DC, while an additional four occurred in St. Louis. Taken together, four cities accounted for more than 10% of all of the mass shootings in 2019.

Additionally, 34 mass shootings (13%) occurred in California alone. Once again, the overwhelming majority were either domestic incidents or gangland shootings.

129 of the 255 mass shootings the Gun Violence Archive cataloged had no fatalities. In 73 of them, only one victim was killed (though others were wounded). In 11 of them, three people were killed. Only 27 meet the FBI's definition of a "mass killing" of four or more people (not including the gunman) killed in one location.

Of the remaining 27 incidents that do meet the FBI's definition of a mass killing, Nine were domestic incidents. Five were gang or drug-related attacks. One was a homeowner in Houston, Texas shooting five people who were allegedly breaking into his home and may well prove to be a valid use of lethal self-defense.

This means that just 12 incidents this year would meet the commonly accepted definition of a random mass shooting. This is a high number to be sure, but it is a far cry from the 250-plus in 219 days in 2019.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[lewisfk]

Exit speed, this is a news talk show brother. The reason I posted the link for the FBI is that a large number of police jurisdiction do not have an MOU or agreement to release shooting information in a timely fashion so these statistics are very hard to compile accurately. This includes police-involved shootings, and why I was very confused with your previous post. The FBI will not release 2019 stats until 2020. This allows the data to be vetted ensuring accuracy.

[lewisfk]

Exit speed, this is a news talk and radio show brother. The reason I posted the link for the FBI is that a large number of police jurisdiction do not have an MOU or agreement to release shooting information in a timely fashion so these statistics are very hard to compile accurately. This includes police-involved shootings, and why I was very confused with your previous post. The FBI will not release 2019 stats until 2020. This allows the data to be vetted ensuring accuracy.

[spooled240]

Has AOC said a single word that advocates for violence against ICE?

Has [Trump] said a single word that advocates for violence against [immigrants]?

Did Obama say that cops should be killed? I would also like some consistency

Did [Trump] say that [people of color] should be killed? I would also like some consistency

[exitspeed]

You know why shootings are so easy in MKE/Chicago/etc.? Guns are easy to get.

Before you say CHICAGO HAS TOUGH GUN LAWS.

Chicago is very close to Indiana and Wisconsin. I'm sure you know & love that both of those states have VERY lax gun laws.


Wait, so Chicago's gun problem is Wisconisons fault? :rolleyes::cj: That's a new one. Is it their fault too that their government is almost bankrupt? Where does the blame stop?




Sweet yet another biased source.


Dan is biased, numbers aren't.

There's literally no point is discussing any of this with you folks.

[exitspeed]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190806/c8156d13c420c9c10a9e67a78f043004.jpg

At least some people are able to admit it. Hahahahaha


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[rvns14]

Mentally Unstable and Chronicly Homeless

(topic change, sepporate post)

This country has a problem. We shut down the assylums and dumped these people into the streets. It's very hard to get treatment to disturbed adults. Once your 17, all you have to say is "Nope" and you can reject treatment.

West Coast homeless problem is not because rent is to high, minimum wage too low and racsims. It's chronic drug use and mental disabilities.

Personally, I think establishing rustic camping sites that offer free food, housing and BASIC medical care is the answer. This would be log cabins with only lighting and wood stoves, whole food like potatoes and stew and medical care like broken limb setting, asprine and antibiotics.

Residents would be expected to fell trees for fire wood, manage the grounds and latrines, wash and mend clothing, cook food etc. In turn, it's better than living on the street and they can just hang out in their hammocks getting high all day long once thier choirs are done.

Is it grim? Yup
Is it awful? Maybe

Is it more humane to the homeless and society instead of letting them rot on street corners, under bridges and in parks? You bet.




That sounds like creating a welfare state. Providing homes for the less fortunate, maybe in the socialist republic of Taxifornia. In the free American states, where we believe in states rights, our disabled will be be given a stern look and a discussion on bootstraps.
And Reagan defederalized mental facilities.

[rvns14]

I'll also add Dan O'Donnell's research he posted today.

https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2019-08-05-the-mass-shooting-myth/


El Paso and Dayton are shocking (newsworthy) because of the random nature of the crimes. People who are killed in inner cities are often in the drug business, violence often comes with the business. People who are not expecting it are suburban families with typical suburban lives. If I get killed walking into advanced auto parts it’s very different then me rolling up on someone on the block. It’s a meaning full difference.

And lol @ watching TMZ :picardfp:

[rvns14]

Wait, so Chicago's gun problem is Wisconisons fault? :rolleyes::cj: That's a new one. Is it their fault too that their government is almost bankrupt? Where does the blame stop?





Dan is biased, numbers aren't.

There's literally no point is discussing any of this with you folks.

Ever live in an apartment? If your next door neighbors don’t keep clean and get roaches, you get roaches too (there aren’t even any physical barriers between Chicago and Indiana).

But you are right numbers don’t lie. 70% of the time numbers are right 100% of the time.

[Corbic]

Ever live in an apartment? If your next door neighbors don’t keep clean and get roaches, you get roaches too (there aren’t even any physical barriers between Chicago and Indiana).



But you are right numbers don’t lie. 70% of the time numbers are right 100% of the time.So that's why Gary and South Bend have drug and gang problems.

But once again, how is it Indiana and Wisconsin's fault Chicago is a shit show? They are the ones spreading roaches.

[Corbic]

https://youtu.be/L80-PheB_A0

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[rvns14]

So that's why Gary and South Bend have drug and gang problems.

But once again, how is it Indiana and Wisconsin's fault Chicago is a shit show? They are the ones spreading roaches.

Buh buh buh buh what about unicorns!!!!
Talking about Chicago and where guns come from, not Gary Southbend.
The general problem with large American cities is a lack of urban planning, cities are not designed in ways that increase their sustainability and become better as they grow larger. That is due to not fully effective development laws (Houston floods on sunny days full of development in flood areas) and the non investment in public services. Cities keep the poor trapped in city centers, without a car in many cities, well paying suburban jobs are difficult to get. Democrats are certainly as corrupt as any other politicians are but a central tenant of democratic policy is not to reduce taxes that pay for public services.
MDs rep gov repaved roads in western Maryland and cut funding to a rail service for the west side of Baltimore that would have served tens of thousands who work at social security (and others). Just poor planning.

[Corbic]

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The general problem with large American cities is a lack of urban planning, cities are not designed in ways that increase their sustainability and become better as they grow larger.

Why? Who's fault is that? What evidence supports a cause / effect relationship. How about move?


That is due to not fully effective development laws and the non investment in public services.

Why is that? Who makes those laws and why haven't they? What are they doing with all that money they get? Last I checked big cities are notorious for an abundance of bureaucracy and laws regarding development.


Cities keep the poor trapped in city centers, without a car in many cities, well paying suburban jobs are difficult to get.

How do they trap them? Are there walls and guards? Why can't they get a $1000 car or a $350 scooter or a $25 bicycle? Why don't they leave the city? I'd Hazzard a guess that rural poor need a car more then the urban poor, they somehow manage.

Democrats are certainly as corrupt as any other politicians are but a central tenant of democratic policy is not to reduce taxes that pay for public services.

Okay... That's also code for "need to protect thier cronnie supporters, the city unions and workers"



MDs rep gov repaved roads in western Maryland and cut funding to a rail service for the west side of Baltimore that would have served tens of thousands who work at social security (and others). Just poor planning.

Uh huh... So the Governor made sure those paying taxes had roads to get to work. If rail service to Westside Baltimore is in such hot demand, it should be a profitable endeavor, are private companies lining up to seize the opportunity?


You've listed a bunch of excuses, not actual root causes.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Do they actually manage though? Remember Der Corbic, rural whites use a LOT of government benefits.



including the ones that are not so poor living off of the government subsidizing their crops.



Trump supporters are hurting themselves to hurt minorities & women:



Wow, didn't realize you are such a racist that you immediately assume "inner city poor and crime" = "Black Peopl" and that "Rural poor and Farmers" = "Black hating Whites on a welfare."


Good work, and excellent job of avoiding the actual topic of discussion.


As for my Rural Poor comment. Are you debating that living in Rural American nessistates owning a car more so then living in a major inner city? Are you challenging the notion that rural America has even less public transportation options then say downtown Chicago or Baltimore? What about how "butthole" Wisconsin has less crime and murder PER CAPITA then major inner cities?

You are just constantly trying to pivot away from address or discussing anything.

[Corbic]

Do they actually manage though? Remember Der Corbic, rural whites use a LOT of government benefits.



including the ones that are not so poor living off of the government subsidizing their crops.



Trump supporters are hurting themselves to hurt minorities & women:



https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rural-families-rely-food-stamps-metro-areas-article-1.3379148



https://scholars.unh.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1001&context=carsey



https://blog.ucsusa.org/sarah-reinhardt/food-stamps-cuts-could-hit-rural-america-hardest



https://www.dailyyonder.com/geography-food-stamps/2018/12/31/25422/Also, on a personnel note, as your dear friend....

Id you hate rural America so much, fucking move already. Pack your shit up and move to New York, California or wherever the fuck you think smells like roses. In everyone one of your posts you hold a strong disdain for the Midwest and anything not Metropolitan. Life's short bruh, fucking move.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

I did move. (The privilege of coming from a middle class family that gives me that flexibility to do so is a big one)


It's actually easier to uproot and move when you are poor compared to being middle class.

If you got a 7/11 job and living in a flop house in Milwaukee, what is the risk of moving to anywhere else! You've already achieved the lowest possible outcome.

Giving up a nice house in Kenosha and a decent job to hope you can make it big in Austin, that's a risk.



Just a heads up, Midwestern doesn't mean rural shithole full of Trumpee dumbasses. Chicago, Detroit, Minneapolis, Milwaukee and other Midwestern cities are great, though not very welcoming of your backwards views.

Normally, when you make a declaration the goal is to support it, not prove it wrong. I mean, why not include Brenton Harbor, Fairfield, Akron, St Louis and Cleveland to close out that tour of shit holes?

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

If you make $9/hr, how tf are you moving?

If you're coming from privilege you have a safety net to fall back on.

It tracks you've never taken a risk in your life though, that is the way of the Trump supporter.

How are you not moving on $9/hr?

Put your shit in an $8 Goodwill duffle bag and hop on a Greyhound for $120.

As for safety net, how can you fall any further than absolute minimal wage working the most basic ass job any 15/yr old is qualified for?

Sounds to me like your privlaged, spoiled Champaign Socialist back ground is showing.

You obviously have no idea how easy it is to live off the grid or as a vagabond. I've had plenty of friends do it for years just to travel and be "free".

So you wake up penniless, naked, homeless and fucked.

Step One: Local homeless center/support. There are both government and non government.
They'll get you some clothes, a few nights and a few meals, ESPECIALLY if your not chronic.

Step Two: Fast Food jobs. You'll get 15-30/hr a week at $9.25, plus free food and discounted food.

Step Three: other work, Harbor Frieght paid $12.50, Lowes $13.50, etc. Again, figure 25/hrs.

Step Four: So now you got about $800 a pay check, in one month you got $500 for a junk mini van to ride dirty and stealth camp out of. You will join a Planet Fitness to wash, work out, get monthly treats (bagels, pizza, candy) and watch TV.

Step Five: Your now mobile, you can get a library card to browse the internet, start taking CL jobs like clear brush for $100, load trash for $50, etc Go donate plasma for $150/month.

Step Six: In a few months you should have a burner phone with minutes, be looking for better jobs (Costco $16.25, Kohls $14.75, etc) and finding a room to rent for $300, get the van some PLPD and legal tags, etc.

Step Seven: Stay in touch with Goodwill and other training services, job opportunities and you'll get something in the $18-22/hr range. That's $40k. On $40k I bought a house and a 350Z and never once thought I was destitute.

Maybe you decide to say fuck kit, save up, buy a motorcycle for $2k, get a duffle bag, bed roll and become a traveling vagabond. Camp on public land, get a PF Black Card for $22/m and work random cash jobs here and there. You only need $100/m for food. With no rent, bills, you scrounge up a grand a month, you'll live like a king.

https://youtu.be/UKfmRhfuI8g

[haxoraxe]

Im sorry to say but USA has been a way worse mess with the presidents before trump... people blame trump but are unaware of the horrific things the other presidents have done, specially obama

[hobbs]

How are you not moving on $9/hr?

Put your shit in an $8 Goodwill duffle bag and hop on a Greyhound for $120.

As for safety net, how can you fall any further than absolute minimal wage working the most basic ass job any 15/yr old is qualified for?

Sounds to me like your privlaged, spoiled Champaign Socialist back ground is showing.

You obviously have no idea how easy it is to live off the grid or as a vagabond. I've had plenty of friends do it for years just to travel and be "free".

So you wake up penniless, naked, homeless and fucked.

Step One: Local homeless center/support. There are both government and non government.
They'll get you some clothes, a few nights and a few meals, ESPECIALLY if your not chronic.

Step Two: Fast Food jobs. You'll get 15-30/hr a week at $9.25, plus free food and discounted food.

Step Three: other work, Harbor Frieght paid $12.50, Lowes $13.50, etc. Again, figure 25/hrs.

Step Four: So now you got about $800 a pay check, in one month you got $500 for a junk mini van to ride dirty and stealth camp out of. You will join a Planet Fitness to wash, work out, get monthly treats (bagels, pizza, candy) and watch TV.

Step Five: Your now mobile, you can get a library card to browse the internet, start taking CL jobs like clear brush for $100, load trash for $50, etc Go donate plasma for $150/month.

Step Six: In a few months you should have a burner phone with minutes, be looking for better jobs (Costco $16.25, Kohls $14.75, etc) and finding a room to rent for $300, get the van some PLPD and legal tags, etc.

Step Seven: Stay in touch with Goodwill and other training services, job opportunities and you'll get something in the $18-22/hr range. That's $40k. On $40k I bought a house and a 350Z and never once thought I was destitute.

Maybe you decide to say fuck kit, save up, buy a motorcycle for $2k, get a duffle bag, bed roll and become a traveling vagabond. Camp on public land, get a PF Black Card for $22/m and work random cash jobs here and there. You only need $100/m for food. With no rent, bills, you scrounge up a grand a month, you'll live like a king.

https://youtu.be/UKfmRhfuI8g

How dare you expect someone from the privileged middle class sleep in a van and shower in a gym, that's for poor people!

[exitspeed]

I did move. (The privilege of coming from a middle class family that gives me that flexibility to do so is a big one)

I live in the densest part of a fairly large city.

Just a heads up, Midwestern doesn't mean rural shithole full of Trumpee dumbasses. Chicago, Detroit, Minneapolis, Milwaukee and other Midwestern cities are great, though not very welcoming of your backwards views.

. In 2018, Baltimore was ranked 23rd in Mexico's Citizen's Council for Public Security's annual list of the 50 most dangerous cities on earth. Its homicide rate of 50.52 per 100,000 residents topped even that of San Salvador, El Salvador, which has a murder rate of 50.32 per 100,000 people. Meanwhile, the most violent city in Honduras, San Pedro Sula, has a homicide rate of 46.67 per 100,000.

This means that Baltimore is a more dangerous place to live than the two most violent cities in countries whose citizens are literally using out-of-control violence to claim asylum in the United States.

Baltimore, it should be noted, hasn't had a Republican mayor since 1967 and has been under such unanimous Democratic control that a research librarian at Baltimore's City Hall contacted by "The Dan O'Donnell Show" couldn't even find evidence of a single Republican serving on the city council in decades.

The other three American cities that made the world's 50 most dangerous list have also been under near-unanimous Democratic control for generations. St. Louis, Missouri, which ranked 16th and had America's highest murder rate at 60.59 homicides per 100,000 residents, hasn't had a Republican mayor since 1949. Detroit, which ranked 46th with a 38.78 murder rate, hasn't had a Republican mayor since 1962. New Orleans, ranked 50th with a homicide rate of 36.87, hasn't had a Republican mayor since 1872.

According to 24/7 Wall Street's analysis of violent crime rates published in USA Today earlier this year, St. Louis, Detroit, and Baltimore are also the three most dangerous cities in America with violent crime rates that each top 2,000 per 100,000 residents. By way of comparison, the national violent crime rate is 382.9 per 100,000 people.

The only other city in America to top 2,000 violent crimes per 100,000 people, Memphis, Tennessee, has never had a Republican mayor in its history.

In fact, nine of the ten most violent cities in the country have been dominated by Democrats for decades, including Kansas City, which hasn't had a Republican mayor since 1991, Cleveland, which has n't had one since 1991, and Milwaukee, which hasn't had one since 1908.

No wonder Democrats are focusing on President Trump's supposed racism: There is no question he is correct on the substance of his argument. Baltimore is a dangerous place, and so are literally dozens of other cities that Democrats have run for generations.

More wisdom from Dan O’Donnell

If liberals cared so much and Democrat poi’s lies are so effective, why aren’t these cities shining examples of HOW a city should be ran, with no poverty and no crime? Because liberals don’t give a fuck and democratic policies are shown time and time again to not work.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Heads up Mr. VoTeR iD iS eAsY fOr EvErYoNe....living out of a van you can't get an ID. Without an address you can't apply for most jobs, etc.

Dumbass.

**WHITE RICH PRIVLAGE ALERT!!!**

Wow dude, you need to step down from the ivory tower sometime. Maybe go do some volunteer work at a shelter or something.

First, Birth Certificate and SS Cards don't have addresses. If you lost yours, those private and government services mentioned before can help get reprints.

Second, most IDs are good for 5-10 years, so you just establish, forge or borrow an address once a decade.

Thrid, most cities and states have various free ID programs. You can go to Goodwill, etc and get an ID with name, birthday, city, state, finger print and photo.... For freee

But once again, as the spoiled privlaged tool bag you are, you are pivoting the discussion. The discussion is "you are not trapped, move if you must" I added a brief example of how to fix your life and live cheap for a year to get back on your feet.

Now I'm sure you'll spin it, "so easy why isn't everyone doing it".

Well! The plan requires you to work! That's one thing, work 40, 50, 60 hours a week. Not 15.

It also requires you to stay sober and not piss away thousands getting high. It requires you to not get on Leo radars by stealing, loitering, bar fighting, etc...

Seriously, go read/watch some blogs about backpacking, off grid living and living on the road.

It's honestly really dishearting how stupid and pathetic you think people are, that they are unable to overcome life's obstacles. New phrase for you... "What One Man Does, So Can Another"

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

Look at how the rest of the state often views the city. Wisconsin is actively hostile to Milwaukee & Madison.

So much deflection and finger pointing.

I’ve lived in this great state my whole life. Milwaukee and Madison are put on on pedestals if anything.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

Wait, now you want people voting in places they haven't lived in for years because you want them to be homeless in other areas?

I know how stupid and pathetic people are capable of being, Fox News still exists.

And I don’t know man, you guys have some pretty mug problems off your own.

https://youtu.be/6ILqikWdtX8

By whom?

The Waukesha county folks I work with whom upon hearing that Evers had won as governor said that, "I can't believe they count votes from Milwaukee."

Huh, I didn’t realize you heard that. Must be so. :goyou:

[Corbic]

Wait, now you want people voting in places they haven't lived in for years because you want them to be homeless in other areas?



I know how stupid and pathetic people are capable of being, Fox News still exists.When in doubt!

Deflect!! Deflect!!!!

[Corbic]

And I don’t know man, you guys have some pretty mug problems off your own.



https://youtu.be/6ILqikWdtX8







Huh, I didn’t realize you heard that. Must be so. :goyou:He's the king of bullshit and deflection.

I somehow feel this is his life...

*here's about one black guy with no ID*

Gabby : Blacks are clearly too stupid to get ID! IDs are Racist!!

*meets single rural person who doesn't like big city*

Gabby : My gawd these rural folk are backwards and stupid! He may have even like Trump! What disgusting peasants, no wonder our great city is a shit hole, we're totally surrounded by these trash people and can't escape.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[lewisfk]

More wisdom from Dan O’Donnell

If liberals cared so much and Democrat poi’s lies are so effective, why aren’t these cities shining examples of HOW a city should be ran, with no poverty and no crime? Because liberals don’t give a fuck and democratic policies are shown time and time again to not work.

What are you talking about? No City is a utopia, society itself is a struggle. The U.S. was doomed when we became a two party system, and allowed greed to manifest itself in our politics. Capitalism is great when your the one profiting, and Socialism leads to coddling. How about we take a look at other Countries who have less poverty, less crime, better schools, and offer it citizens a comprehensive medical benefits. Then lets continue this conversation.

[Corbic]

What are you talking about? No City is a utopia, society itself is a struggle. The U.S. was doomed when we became a two party system, and allowed greed to manifest itself in our politics. Capitalism is great when your the one profiting, and Socialism leads to coddling. How about we take a look at other Countries who have less poverty, less crime, better schools, and offer it citizens a comprehensive medical benefits. Then lets continue this conversation.Wanna actually list those countries?

Let me guess.... NORWAY!

4 Million people with a single ethnic, religious, cultural and language background, living in an isolated country with an oil supply that matches Suadi Arabia or Texas.

[lewisfk]

Wanna actually list those countries?

Let me guess... NORWAY!

4 Million people with a single ethnic, religious, cultural and language background, living in an isolated country with an oil supply that matches Suadi Arabia or Texas.

Actually, all the Nordic countries kick are an ass in every category. Their diversity's not on par with the U.S. Singapore is up there in all categories and they are a diverse country. The Nordic countries have oil, and they lead the world in green technology. Electric cars, hydrogen cars, and mass transit. What gives these countries an edge over the U.S.? How do we compete and spread prosperity in this country? Does it start with our elected officials, or does it start from the bottom and works it's way up?

https://fr.april-international.com/en/healthcare-expatriates/which-countries-have-best-healthcare-systems

https://worldtop20.org/education-data-base?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIsM6_v7304wIViobACh03iARpEAA YASAAEgIZV_D_BwE

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/08/05/743579605/how-the-u-s-compares-to-other-countries-in-deaths-from-gun-violence

[feito]

No City is a utopia, society itself is a struggle
Exactly, and the us has the most millionaires in the world thanks to capitalism, the vast majority self-made. If that doesnt inspire others, nothing will. Truth is, we're surrounded by lazy conformists, and they deserve to be poor.

[Corbic]

Actually, all the Nordic countries kick are an ass in every category. Their diversity's not on par with the U.S. Singapore is up there in all categories and they are a diverse country. The Nordic countries have oil, and they lead the world in green technology. Electric cars, hydrogen cars, and mass transit. What gives these countries an edge over the U.S.? How do we compete and spread prosperity in this country? Does it start with our elected officials, or does it start from the bottom and works it's way up?



https://fr.april-international.com/en/healthcare-expatriates/which-countries-have-best-healthcare-systems



https://worldtop20.org/education-data-base?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIsM6_v7304wIViobACh03iARpEAA YASAAEgIZV_D_BwE



https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/08/05/743579605/how-the-u-s-compares-to-other-countries-in-deaths-from-gun-violenceI grew up in Norway. It's as I said.

4 Million Middle Class White Christians
All the Money of Texas
That's your Utopia.

Plenty of regions in America are just like that. Affluent, wealthy, successful, no crime, Tesla in every garage, kids go to top performing private schools.

You can't hyper focus on a single pin point of Europe or Asia and compare it to all of the US. Might as well say "Why can't Baltimore be like the Hamptons? Why doesn't Compton get its shit together like Huntington Beach? Fucks up with Detroit, be like Carmal!!"

Finland has thr highest suicide rate in the world BTW.

Singapore has some of the most brutal laws and social norms in the world. Want to spit gum on the street? 20 cane lashes. Work less then 60 hours a week? Are you a lazy piece of shit!??

In the US you can't even tell a kid in a class room "they are bad" cause it will hurt their self esteem. I'd love to see what people say when you bring back ruler beatings.....

[Corbic]

Some more ways to eat cheap. Thanks Boris.

https://youtu.be/CvKQNLdMr48

[Corbic]

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/08/05/743579605/how-the-u-s-compares-to-other-countries-in-deaths-from-gun-violence

Also, this entire article is horse shit.
First how about comparing "gun death" to number of guns, since we have something like 500 million guns in this country. They also always rope in suicide, accident and self defense to bolster those numbers. Other countries do not.

Our actual "murder" rate is 4.7 putting us in the lower global half.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/murder-rates-by-country.html


I'd be curious what that number is without certain demographics that seem to always bring the whole US average down.

Oh, they have that, it's 2.6... Which is a lot closer to Norway's 2.2 hmm..

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[Future240]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/22/us/gun-ownership-violence-statistics.html

[lewisfk]

Lets not use math the CDC's math! If you want 2018 crime stats to go the FBI website. It's there forever one to see, it's the most accurate!

History will always repeat itself if you do not learn from the mistakes of the past generations.


https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/159018

[Corbic]

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[Corbic]

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[lewisfk]

Just release the taxes for the past 10 years, problem solved. Its funny how fast he bashes the Clintons when he has over 28 women accusing him or sexual assault and even rape. I'm not a fan of the Clinton family but if I was the President I will let this one fade away.

[Corbic]

Just release the taxes for the past 10 years, problem solved. Its funny how fast he bashes the Clintons when he has over 28 women accusing him or sexual assault and even rape. I'm not a fan of the Clinton family but if I was the President I will let this one fade away.Yawnnnnnnnnn

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[RalliartRsX]

Epstein's death is one thing that both Trump & Clinton benefit from.

This is the thing I do not agree with the current news cycle rhetoric.

There is a WEALTH of much higher profile people wrapped up in eppstein case (which is why he got a sweetheart deal to begin with on his first go around.....which is disgusting in and of itself). Did ANYONE take the time to actually read the names that were released this weekend?? Nope! The news cycle went straight to conspiracy theory and op-eds.....

The fact that BOTH the left and right are leveraging a picture and video as evidence to culpability and association is a whole bunch of bullshit!

I wish the media would also wait on the fucking coroner. Why the hell do we have a 24 hour news cycle from all sides with panels on to why he would commit suicide with no categorical evidence is not journalism.

And the fact that trump was so quick to post a conspiracy theory with no evidence is just fanning the flames.....

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

You're not wrong.

It is wild to me that a guy who could bring down TONS of billionaires (*communists sounds*) who had already 'tried' to commit suicide weeks earlier was left unattended for hours.

As for Trump, he knows his supporters will believe literally any thing he says. He stopped pretending to care about the vast majority of people in this country a long time ago.

Anyone that does not belive there is foul play here is a fucking idiot or a liar.

Epstine had 5 decks of cards up his sleeve, billions of dollars and had already been outed as the child prostitute king 20 years ago... They trial had not even started. There is zero reason for him to be "The Happening" himself at every chance possible.


Just watch, with his death the focus will shift to how it the suicide happened. All processing of the data and evidence collected related to his crimes, co-conspirators and associates will end. Evidence will become lost, deleted and corruptted.

Hate Trump all you want, he's clean on this one.

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[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

https://youtu.be/gN0E3MX470U

[Corbic]

To all those who said Trump was okay with legal immigrants:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/us/politics/trump-immigration-policy.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

SPOILER: He isn't.

Trump is trying to limit ALL immigration, you know, like white supremacists want.I support that.

Why is it anyone awaiting legal immigration must show financial support and sign a no-assistance waiver good for 5 years or face criminal charges, but some fence jumper on food stamps should be allowed to have a green card?

[exitspeed]

No one cared about ICE raids under Obama. Again, selective outrage shows this is all just virtue signaling.

Despite President Trump’s zealous immigration enforcement rhetoric, his administration has deported few illegal immigrants than Barack Obama’s had at this point in his term.

With four months still remaining, the Trump administration has deported 282,242 illegal immigrants this fiscal year, its highest annual total since Trump took office, but still significantly fewer than Obama deported in each of the early years of his administration, according to Department of Homeland Security data review by Axios.

Under Obama, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deported more than 385,000 immigrants each fiscal year from 2009-2011 before reaching a high of 409,849 in 2012. In contrast, the Trump administration deported only 226,119 in fiscal year 2017, and roughly 250,000 in fiscal year 2018.

[RalliartRsX]

Edit..............

[RalliartRsX]

You are conflating entirely two different scenarios.

No one here has denied the number of folks Obama has deported and spool, corbic and yourself constantly quote this stat as a comparison to raids. I even posted a fact sheet from DHS and acknowledge it (which spool promptly ignored and reposted the same stat from DHS......but whatever)

What Obama did was not targeted is the keen difference.
Obama never targeted children and separated them from their parents for example. Detention centers were setup for children who crossed the border unaccompanied

Why do you always seem to gloss over this one keen piece of info when trying to make the comparison?

And of the 600+ people detained, close to 400 were legal. So ice went in and detained LEGAL immigrants as well.

But fuck all this. These folks, regardless of illegal status was HIRED by a company. Why is there no outrage for the companies actively undermining our own citizens by seeking out cheap labor? Isn't that the reason for the outrage?? Illegals are taking our jobs, etc etc?? Folks are quick to negate this very demographic..



Which mind you, the same company is slated to host a job fair this week to potentially hire more illegal immigrants....

So yeah.

[RalliartRsX]

Additonal, deportation =/= ICE raids.

What you posted @exitspeed is a deportation stat (and please cite your source). No where does it delve into ICE raids.

[Corbic]

Obama never targeted children and separated them from their parents for example. Detention centers were setup for children who crossed the border unaccompanied

How many kids did Obama kill with Drones?

[RalliartRsX]

And what does folks fleeing from drug warlords have to do with a war torn middle east where militants are intertwined with the locals that the US in advertently funded themselves through operation Cyclone??

There must be something in that Corbic water that explains the constant pretzel logic.......

Corbic pretzel logic with a random meme thrown in for good measure to the fucking moon!!!! :D

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

You know Trump is still embracing drones, supporting KSA and its war crimes in Yemen, etc., right?

Obama was far from perfect.

RalliartRSX, myself and other non-Trump supporters will be say that about candidates we've voted for. I have yet to see you criticize your candidate of choice at any point.

I'm not in here crying about immigrant death camps and childern in cages.

Just like I didn't critize Bush for Gitmo, but I do critique Obam's failure to shut it down per his promiss.

People walk around acting like Obama was thr fucking Buda and Trump is the hybrid of Adolf Hitler and a Disney Villian.

Don't want your kids in Cages? Stay the fuck home. Have some personnel agency.

[Corbic]

And what does folks fleeing from drug warlords

Cage Kids come from Baltimore?

Always butthurt about the memes... I wonder why that is. #leftcantmeme

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

You are conflating entirely two different scenarios.

No one here has denied the number of folks Obama has deported and spool, corbic and yourself constantly quote this stat as a comparison to raids. I even posted a fact sheet from DHS and acknowledge it (which spool promptly ignored and reposted the same stat from DHS......but whatever)

What Obama did was not targeted is the keen difference.
Obama never targeted children and separated them from their parents for example. Detention centers were setup for children who crossed the border unaccompanied

Why do you always seem to gloss over this one keen piece of info when trying to make the comparison?

And of the 600+ people detained, close to 400 were legal. So ice went in and detained LEGAL immigrants as well.

But fuck all this. These folks, regardless of illegal status was HIRED by a company. Why is there no outrage for the companies actively undermining our own citizens by seeking out cheap labor? Isn't that the reason for the outrage?? Illegals are taking our jobs, etc etc?? Folks are quick to negate this very demographic..



Which mind you, the same company is slated to host a job fair this week to potentially hire more illegal immigrants....

So yeah.

So when the Obama administration deported illegals they didn’t get separated their children? Did criminals that went to jail during the Obama administration get separated from their children?

Just wondering.

And wtf is Alt-Right? Neither Corbin or I or anyone else that disagrees with you in this thread ever enforced white supremacy or any wacko shit. This is all mainstream moderate Right views.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

You really have no grasp of what left, moderate left, centrist, moderate right and right means.

Corbic is absolutely alt-right, you just seem like some guy who votes for guys with (R) next to their names and is looking to justify voting for a shitty person.

Welp, you got me.

Maybe one day you’ll read my book and it might make more sense.

[Corbic]

You really have no grasp of what left, moderate left, centrist, moderate right and right means.

Corbic is absolutely alt-right, you just seem like some guy who votes for guys with (R) next to their names and is looking to justify voting for a shitty person.Alt Right? The fuck ever.

[Corbic]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190814/1e1be6f85406f27316672dc1372b0e0e.jpg

So in NJ alone, we have almost a Million legal Immigrants on welfare? UNFUCKING real.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Do you think the Irish, German, Italian, etc., immigrants came here with great wealth?

Strange how folks who claim to be patriots seem to hate the basic tenants this country claims to be built on most.

Strange how those who claim to be intellectuals always have a convient lapse of logic.

Did those German, Irish an Fredo immigrants come to a turn key economically dominant nation and immediately jump on the welfare bandwagon? Food Stamps, Healthcare, Univeral Income for all?

Or did they arrive to a lawless untamed wilderness teaming with hostile natives, giant bears and wild wolves? Did they not fight wars against bandits, criminals, savages and oppressing monarchs that would take it all from them? Would they not then turn on one another and fight until 700,000 of their brothers laid dead?

What did they do? Did they flee? Turn back to the safety of Europe? No, they pushed on. They harnessed the electric wave and the steam machine. They smelted steal and laid track, built ships and towers the world had never scene. Stories would travel the world my mouth and ink of the great magisty these men built.

Then, they emerged to save Europe not once, but twice. They freed countless countries and people across the world from tyranny, built economies and establish trade. They fought back the dark curtain of communism, Imperialism, theocratic terrorism and socialism. They uplifted billions from poverty and single handled dragged this world into the communication age.

And yet here you are, wanting to take food from our brothers to feed those who would not help their own brothers.

Maybe next time, take the words from an American matyr and not a French Artist.

https://youtu.be/PzRg--jhO8g

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

"Hostile natives"

Victims of genocide by invaders is more accurate chudlet.

First, the "Genocide" is historical revision at best and more or less a farce. Second, if you believe that, then why are you in support of repeating history of cultural ethnic replacement?


BTW, JFK expanded social welfare programs like unemployment, social security, the school lunch act, launched the food stamp program, he also penned an eecutive order that banned discrimination in federally funded housing.

So are you saying those are bad things or are you saying he did that for illegal aliens and green card holders?

Hmmm, it is almost like you don't know what you're talking about and boomer memes are wholly lacking in context.

There it is kids, the endless parade of self proclaimed intellectual smug. Watch how he squirms out of any actual debate or discussion by constantly moving goal posts.

Went from talking about food stamps for immigrants to Native American Genocide to crying about memes all in one post.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

https://www.britannica.com/topic/genocide



Early Americans did exactly this to Native groups. It was 100% a genocide.

Your link has nothing to do with Native Americans?







Those are all great things.



They're just things that America can and SHOULD do for its citizens.

The fuck you say!?







What goal posts am I moving?



Providing context to a 30 second JFK clip?



Outlining that as troubled as you are by people you view as invading this country that pose no risk to you as opposed to your complimentary tone about early immigrants to this country that actively killed its earlier inhabitants?

A. Discussion is "ending food stamps for legal immigrants
B. You're on tangents about poems, genocide, JFK, etc

Context? Obviously you don't know what that word means. You simply listed unrelated actions he took during his presidency, nothing about the speach or its importance.

So back to THE ACTUAL POINT OF DISCUSSION.

Why are you agasint blocking "wellfare" to legal and illegal immigrants? Our social service programs are already overburdened, our country in debt up to its eyes and millions of citizens in need of help and support.

Don't bother going off on tangents of defense spending, Russian collusion and Jeff Benzo makes to much money.

You have X dollars budgeted to food stamps.
Why do you want to give that money to foreigners instead of your own fellow citizens?

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

But everything to do with genocide. To understand why what white settlers did to Native Americans was genocide you first need to have a basic understanding of what genocide is, which the average American does not.







Shoot, bad word choice on my part.



Ironic coming from you though, a man who has misspelled or misused 5-10% of the words in his posts.



I'll change it to "the people living within its borders"







We have X dollars to allocate to food stamps, public housing, etc., because that's what certain people have decided that's should be allocated to those purposes.



I know you think you can disallow this, but the budget for one program cannot be looked at rationally without considering other things.



From 2016 until now the military's budget has increased by OVER ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS.



The entire SNAP program was 70 billion in 2017 and supported 40 million Americans.



Context is the only way we can look at these things with any dream of comprehending it reasonably.See?

Boy did I call that one. Immediately pivoting to bitch about the defense budget....

Sorry starving orphan in Baltimore, Gabby feels the illegal aliens should get help before you because the defense budget is white suprememenismistz.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[lewisfk]

^^^ DAMN BRO! Lets discuss this in a rational manner and use facts. You have some great points, and certain members of Congress have voiced the cost of these wars. Prime example, the ACA if fully implemented would cost less than the Iraq War. Before people call b.s. add the complete cost of the war, lost of life at 400k, and add veteran health care post war. (PTSD AMPUTATIONS, ETC) As a veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan I'm fighting an up hill battle for the military to even recognize my TBI even though I have neurological deficit that I stop breathing while I sleep. My sleep study confirmed this. Imagine how many other veterans are suffering from this!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3268511/

[lewisfk]

^^^ DAMN BRO! Lets discuss this in a rational manner and use facts. You have some great points, and certain members of Congress have voiced the cost of these wars. Prime example, the ACA if fully implemented it would cost less than the Iraq War. Before people call bull shit, lets add the complete cost of the war. To include the lost of life at 400k SGLI, survivor benefits for family, and add veteran health care post war. (PTSD AMPUTATIONS, ETC) As a veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan I'm fighting an up hill battle for the military to even recognize my TBI even though I have neurological deficit that causes me stop breathing while I sleep. My sleep study confirmed this.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3268511/

[Corbic]

As a veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan I'm fighting an up hill battle for the military to even recognize my TBI even though I have neurological deficit that causes me stop breathing while I sleep. My sleep study confirmed this.]

So you are actually bitching about that sweat Governemt healthcare while wanting to force the rest of us on it?

[lewisfk]

^^The ACA has nothing to do with Congress failure to support the troop's medical needs. We just need John Stewart to shame the Republican Party into acting like the First Responder Bill.

[Corbic]

^^The ACA has nothing to do with Congress failure to support the troop's medical needs. We just need John Stewart to shame the Republican Party into acting like the First Responder Bill.Oh? You mean the VA is not a Government run micro public Healthcare experiment?

You want universal Healthcare, just look at the VA.

Don't like post service care, don't enlist. If you spoke to any Veteran... from fucking ever, they'd have told you how awful post care is. You signed up of your own free will. Maybe if everyone stopped jumping on the "I'm a hero with a $15k signing bonus and Charger R/T" dick, then things would change.

[LEG1T]

T R U M P is fucking up our country badly.

Period.

[exitspeed]

Oh? You mean the VA is not a Government run micro public Healthcare experiment?

You want universal Healthcare, just look at the VA.

Don't like post service care, don't enlist. If you spoke to any Veteran... from fucking ever, they'd have told you how awful post care is. You signed up of your own free will. Maybe if everyone stopped jumping on the "I'm a hero with a $15k signing bonus and Charger R/T" dick, then things would change.

My dad was shot in ‘Nam. He got a half ass shit surgery when it happened. Since then his hand and arm for so painful and less and less useful he started asking for another surgery to repair the damage. It took a DECADE to get approved. He’s now going to be 70 and just underwent a major surgery.

Hard pass on that kind of healtchare.

[Corbic]

My dad was shot in ‘Nam. He got a half ass shit surgery when it happened. Since then his hand and arm for so painful and less and less useful he started asking for another surgery to repair the damage. It took a DECADE to get approved. He’s now going to be 70 and just underwent a major surgery.



Hard pass on that kind of healtchare.That's exactly what national Healthcare will be. A black hole of incompetent doctors, nurses and administrators and miles of red tape, approvals, review boards and waiting.

Don't like your coverage today? Don't agree with your doctor or like the hospital? At least you "sorta" have capitalistic choice and can go somewhere else. Once the Government takes over, you'll be forced to go to the hospital of address your region and then fight with them as they do everything possible to not spend money.

The Gov will then think price controls are the answer and you'll see a mass exudes of any competent professional because getting $500 to do a six hour open heart surgery isn't the best way to get a return on that $500k medical education. (PS this is exactly what happened in thr VA). Oh and even better, when they fuck up, just like the VA, you can't sue.


Plenty of studies have shown giving Vets Tricare or a check to cover private insurance would save hundreds of millions compared to the POS known as the VA. However the VA employees 365,000 people, all of which are most likely staunch Democrats. In 2007 we only had 254,000 VA employees.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[lewisfk]

^^ You are so correct. What the hell is Corbic talking about with 15k bonus and a charger, it sounds like someone stole his chick! The VA has been broken for 50 years or so, and our current Politicians have failed to fix the problems. This Commander and Chief swore he was going to end these needless conflicts, fix the VA, fix government housing, increase pay with inflation, and all he has done was pass a tax bill that screwed most military members E-5 and above.

[Corbic]

Yeah every single person in the UK, Canada, Germany and every other developed country is constantly dying of illness that their single payer healthcare could've prevented but didn't.

Oh wait, no. The US' broken private system is the one where people die regularly from stuff that shouldn't be an issue at all.

Also glad we're using Vietnam as our reference point for all of this, is that when America was great?We already discussed this McTwat. Scroll back and read the linked articles.

Funny how anyone middle class and above in Europe still pays out the ass for private Healthcare....

[Corbic]

^^ You are so correct. What the hell is Corbic talking about with 15k bonus and a charger, it sounds like someone stole his chick! The VA has been broken for 50 years or so, and our current Politicians have failed to fix the problems. This Commander and Chief swore he was going to end these needless conflicts, fix the VA, fix government housing, increase pay with inflation, and all he has done was pass a tax bill that screwed most military members E-5 and above.If you don't know what a signing bonus is or get the Dodge Charger joke.... Then STFU about anything US Military related.

[lewisfk]

I'm sorry I didn't get your lame ass military joke! Well, I guess everything else was GTG!