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RalliartRsX

01-15-2019, 02:56 PM

spooled240

01-15-2019, 04:02 PM

It would behove you if you took the time to

1) Read the actual post you have. If you took the time to read, there is no where in the comparison it makes that statement. CBP stands for Custom Border and Protection. The Nationwide portion you refer to is STRICTLY for borders. Nothing to do with port of entries to include ships and air cargo. The stat is strictly for BORDERS (including coastal), hence they included places like Detroit, or coastal borders like Miami.

2) Bring up a stat which compares what is mentioned above; port of entries. Baltimore for instance is NOT on the list, and as it turns out, Baltimore is a port where ALOT of ships come through and which is a MAJOR distribution center for the East Coast, from Buffallo all the way down to Florida. Remember, Car companies ship Millions of cars each year which arrives in SHIP ports, for instance.
There are 3 airports withing a 30 miles radius of where I live, and NONE of those cities are on CBPs list, so yeah. The list is lacking all sorts of information.

I'd venture to say that they only included to top sectors in terms of volume.

Again, I'd like to see the numbers that show the majority of smuggled drugs and illegal immigrants coming to the US other than the southern border.

FUn Fact; at full tilt, there is a flight either landing or departing one on of those airports mentioned above every 30 secs. You mean to tell me NO drugs that pass through those very terminals?? If you answer yes, Ignorance truly is bliss.....

I don't doubt it, however I find it very hard to believe thousands of pounds of drugs are coming to the US through airport security...unless of course you have the data.

And let me ask you; what is the difference between Border Security and the wall?? Because as you know, EVERY SINGLE YEAR there is severel billion allocated to Border Security. It just so happens that it is an entirely different budgetary item than that of the wall, and trump decided he wasn't interested in signing off on such a budget measure. So if this was truely about border security, he would have signed off on it and dealt with wall negotiations later.

But again, the gop had the House, the Senate AND the presidency. Any reason, after 2 years, they didn't pass a budget with the wall?? Or shit, even bother to put pen to paper to actually come up with a budget?? 2 FUCKING YEARS! and nothing.

Every single one of us would be fired with 2 weeks if we had such power, and manage to not do a fucking thing.

GOP owns this, fair and square.

Do you have a fence around your property? Walls work in a very similar manner lol

Phlip

01-16-2019, 04:04 AM

No one said anything about airports.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/border-issues/2019/01/08/most-hard-drugs-get-smuggled-into-u-s-through-ports-entry/2517586002/

Corbic

01-16-2019, 07:38 AM

No one said anything about airports.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/border-issues/2019/01/08/most-hard-drugs-get-smuggled-into-u-s-through-ports-entry/2517586002/Privatize Airport Security.

Problem Solved. Why are my tax dollars going toward securing privately operated property and services with overpaid, under skilled personnel?

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spooled240

01-16-2019, 09:17 AM

No one said anything about airports.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/border-issues/2019/01/08/most-hard-drugs-get-smuggled-into-u-s-through-ports-entry/2517586002/

There are 3 airports withing a 30 miles radius of where I live, and NONE of those cities are on CBPs list, so yeah. The list is lacking all sorts of information.
FUn Fact; at full tilt, there is a flight either landing or departing one on of those airports mentioned above every 30 secs. You mean to tell me NO drugs that pass through those very terminals?? If you answer yes, Ignorance truly is bliss.....

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/border-issues/2019/01/08/most-hard-drugs-get-smuggled-into-u-s-through-ports-entry/2517586002/[/URL]

"Historical data also shows that the amounts of drugs smuggled in between the ports of entry, where a wall might make a difference, is on the decrease. The total number of marijuana seized in 2017, the last full year of data available, is almost a third of what it was in in 2012."

While this is true, the amount of hard drugs smuggled in since 2012 has increased. It's safe to say the significant decrease in smuggled Marijuana over the past 5-6 years is mostly attributed to it being legalized in CA lol. This article is cherry-picking data to support it's argument.

We all the know the motive to smuggle drugs is there. We all know millions of undocumented people with some confirmed to be affiliated with gangs and criminal activity are coming here. We all know there are miles of the border that have no barrier. ...so WHY NOT build a wall?

https://www.usatoday.com/border-wall/us-mexico-interactive-border-map/

gbaby2089

01-16-2019, 12:04 PM

nopenopenope

Corbic

01-17-2019, 08:39 AM

Wait, so you want to finance a dumb wall but privatize an area of national security that like....actually matters?

Trump voters, just when you didn't think they could get any less intelligent.You are joking right?

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gbaby2089

01-17-2019, 08:53 AM

nopenopenope

Corbic

01-17-2019, 09:00 AM

gbaby2089

01-17-2019, 09:11 AM

nopenopenope

Corbic

01-17-2019, 09:38 AM

Illegal immigrants are terrorists?

Or do they commit crime at a lower rate than US citizens.

OH WAIT ITS THE SECOND ONE.

By the way, it is spelled border, thanks for proving my point.

You'll believe anything the orange man says, I'm not wasting my time arguing with you.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190117/450f2412570b57b7a2d0354553d9eaba.jpg

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spooled240

01-17-2019, 09:42 AM

No terrorists have come over via the southern border.

People have through airports, people are stopped via TSA on a semi-regular basis.

ICE/BP don't stop terrorists at the southern border.

The 46% of voting Americans who voted for Trump are the stupidest 46% of Americans.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/only-six-immigrants-terrorism-database-stopped-cbp-southern-border-first-n955861

Thousands of terrorists are probably not pouring in through the southern border, but where is the line drawn? 6? 10? 100? Let's remember that it usually only takes one or a few terrorists to carry out an attack.

gbaby2089

01-17-2019, 09:59 AM

nopenopenope

Corbic

01-17-2019, 10:25 AM

So six have been stopped there.

Many times that have been stopped by TSA.

Yet because of his dumb ineffective wall (guess what, it is easier to go around a wall than to go around TSA), TSA workers are not being paid, are calling in sick, etc.Fire the TSA and hire privatized security paid for by the airports. Gee Golly, problem solved.

Walls work. We have 20-35 million illegal aliens in this country, most of which are Mexican, that cost us $75,000 a year each.

They drive wages down.
They commit tax and identy fraud.
They drive emergency care costs up.
They drive auto insurance premiums up.

If you are not for stopping illegal immigration, then why do we even have an immigration, visa and passport system?

Also, if you care so much about this joke of a shutdown, why are you not blaming thr Democrats for refusing to negotiate? $5 billion is a drop in the bucket of our annual budget and deficit. These are the same people that spent trillions on Bullshit "stimulus packages", junk car buy backs, and an even more broken and ineffective Healthcare system.

These are the same people that tore out every freaking public bathroom in California costing millions to make them "Gender Neutral" to not offend some mentally ill sexually confused cry babies. Better start issuing exhausylt tickets to pay for that shit.

Corbic

01-17-2019, 10:32 AM

Also!!

TSA ain't stopping terrorists from getting on planes or coming to America.

Foriegn security services overseas are. Domestic Airport security is stopping domestic travellers.

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spooled240

01-17-2019, 10:42 AM

guess what, it is easier to go around a wall than to go around TSA

What's even easier than that is going around a nonexistent wall lol

How many people have crossed the border illegally and haven't been caught? Millions. Even if an extremely small percentage of all the illegal immigrants that crossed the southern border over the past 10 years were criminals/terrorists/etc. that would be a very alarming number.

I don't mind immigration, hell my mother is an immigrant and came here legally. There has to be some vetting process in place so we know who's coming in. Does anyone disagree with that?

FaLKoN240

01-17-2019, 11:22 AM

These are the same people that tore out every freaking public bathroom in California costing millions to make them "Gender Neutral" to not offend some mentally ill sexually confused cry babies. Better start issuing exhausylt tickets to pay for that shit.

Not sure where you're getting your facts from but I can tell you for a fact not every bathroom in California is gender neutral.

Your strawman arguments are laughable, at best.

gbaby2089

01-17-2019, 11:52 AM

nopenopenope

FaLKoN240

01-17-2019, 12:01 PM

I say we build the wall just to see what crazy thing Trump says to scapegoat and blame the next group of "undesirables" when the wall doesn't work.

spooled240

01-17-2019, 01:06 PM

Make the immigration process smoother & more people will do it legally. make the process take years & they'll find alternatives.

A wall does nothing to change that. Ladders exist.

Will you agree that a wall will make it tremendously more difficult for people to cross (even if there were ladders available) compared to crossing with no wall in place? I would bet that it would take much more effort and time for 100 people to scale a wall (with ladders) than it would for them to walk 10 feet.

Walls are not some kind of new, untested technology lol

feito

01-17-2019, 01:24 PM

boo hoo, the process is too hard so I'll just have to cheat and break some laws. Typical leftist mentality.
Everytime there's a killing involving a firearm, the left cries for gun control and claims that one life is enough excuse to violate a constitutional right, yet whenever a citizen (many cops) is killed by an illegal immigrant you dont hear a thing about stricter immigration laws from the left. Funny.
And a wall will certainly not stop the influx of illegal immigration, but it will certainly dramatically reduce the numbers. Just look at the before and after numbers where fences have been added. Now imagine something bigger. Yes, ladders, tunnels and other ways to go around it will be figured out, but guess what that means? A pricier ticket across the border, and guess what that means? Less people being able to afford that price. It also means a longer process, which buys bp agents more time to react.
Boy, if some of you can't figure that out, than you are dumber that everybody else already think you are, but I honestly believe you already know this, you're just willing to turn a blind eye in order to fulfill your leftist agenda.
Some of you claim not to be a supporter of pelosi and schumer, but you sound just as hypocrite as them. Living in their fully gated properties with their fully armed security teams, how dare they :rofl:

Oh and, btw, I already removed my fence and my front door at my house, since, well, you know, it can be cut open or breach by force hence making it useless. Thank you guys. I feel so woke now :keke:

Corbic

01-17-2019, 01:37 PM

Not sure where you're getting your facts from but I can tell you for a fact not every bathroom in California is gender neutral.

Your strawman arguments are laughable, at best.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190117/ef8a255bf90a68e77c0bd2c7dffd4b6b.jpg

#tryagain

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Corbic

01-17-2019, 01:44 PM

I assume you've never traveled internationally if you think you don't have to go through security to enter the country after an international flight..

Only every other month. Never once gone through TSA security upon entering thr United States. I have had to do Immigration and Customs which everyone does and is not run by the TSA.

If a Terrorist was going to bomb or Hijack a plane, it have already happened by then. Also, security of international airports are already screening documents and passports before you ever get on a plane.

And there should be no negotiation, the majority of Americans do not want a wall. Walls don't work.

Polls also said Hillary was going to crush Trump.

If you idiots honestly think a wall across the southern border of the US will cost $5 billion you are somehow dumber than everyone else already thinks you are.

$5 billion a year numbnuts.

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Corbic

01-17-2019, 01:47 PM

I say we build the wall just to see what crazy thing Trump says to scapegoat and blame the next group of "undesirables" when the wall doesn't work.And what happens when it does work?

Worked in Hungary and Uzbekistan.

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spooled240

01-17-2019, 02:06 PM

Oh and, btw, I already removed my fence and my front door at my house, since, well, you know, it can be cut open or breach by force hence making it useless. Thank you guys. I feel so woke now :keke:

I was going to install an alarm on my 240, but since cars have been stolen on flatbeds I didn't even bother. As a matter of fact, I leave my doors unlocked and the keys in the ignition since that can all be bypassed by a skilled car thief. Alarms, door locks and keys have absolutely no impact on the chances of my car getting stolen because cars still get stolen.

Corbic

01-17-2019, 02:40 PM

I was going to install an alarm on my 240, but since cars have been stolen on flatbeds I didn't even bother. As a matter of fact, I leave my doors unlocked and the keys in the ignition since that can all be bypassed by a skilled car thief. Alarms, door locks and keys have absolutely no impact on the chances of my car getting stolen because cars still get stolen.We should tax rich people to make 240's more affordable so people don't steal them....

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gbaby2089

01-17-2019, 02:52 PM

nopenopenope

feito

01-17-2019, 03:14 PM

I was going to install an alarm on my 240, but since cars have been stolen on flatbeds I didn't even bother. As a matter of fact, I leave my doors unlocked and the keys in the ignition since that can all be bypassed by a skilled car thief. Alarms, door locks and keys have absolutely no impact on the chances of my car getting stolen because cars still get stolen.
You have to, otherwise you'd be a bigot.
Because everybody knows that the process of building a proper 240sx takes too long and it's too expensive which makes it unfair. So you just go out to the streets and grab the one of your choice.
Stay woke. Orange man bad.

spooled240

01-17-2019, 03:30 PM

Yes, so we have plenty of proof they don't work.

From where? Game of Thrones? lol

gbaby2089

01-17-2019, 03:35 PM

nopenopenope

feito

01-17-2019, 03:44 PM

It is not the fault of the pollsters that the US is set up to make voters in rural shithole states count for more than voters in the states that you know, drive the country economically & in every other way
Complains about the vote of people from shithole areas in the states. Welcomes people from worse shithole areas in shithole countries :rimshot:

Corbic

01-17-2019, 03:49 PM

Thanks for agreeing with me that Trump's policy are fascist in nature.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190117/7796cfc3e1e82ebcafb03043c8b93770.jpg

Yes, so we have plenty of proof they don't work.

Quite thr opposite, both historically and contemporary.

I mean, MILLIONS more people voted for her, so yeah she kind of did.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190117/7d9311a827b885368f8c07e5b6c1cdc0.jpg

It is not the fault of the pollsters that the US is set up to make voters in rural shithole states count for more than voters in the states that you know, drive the country economically & in every other way.

Spoken like a true communist. Both Lenin and Mao held the rural regions and traditional culture in contempt. Their policies resulted in the worst genocides and famines the world has ever seen. Even today China says fuck the country side letting it rot as a total hell hole.

would love to be on the hook for a $50 billion wall after a decade, with interest that will wind up costing us 75-100 billion, do nothing to improve our lives, etc.

At least we'll have a wall and a country to show for it. What do we have to show for Obama and Nancy's $831 billion...

Remember when your great hero said Mexico would pay for it? Why can he go back on that promise and not on his promise to build the stupid thing?

I do, and don't care. Mexico will surely pay for it when it's populous rises up and demands reform and change because they can no longer escape to the United States. It's inexcusable that Mexico is such a raging shit hole. Country is full of natural resources, cost line, minal deposits, oil, farming, inexpensive labor and hard working people. They are also safe from extreme threats and hostile neighbors.

Why are you so terrified of immigrants? Is it because your own low intelligence has you easily replaced?

Why do you want 20 to 30 million uneducated, unskilled, undocumented illegal Immigrants?

Democrats want them because they'll vote for big nany governments and handouts keeping thr Democrats in power to be the corrupt pieces of shit they are.

You prolly want free Healthcare, College, etc.... So would that not be easier to take care of actual AMERICANS without worrying about an extra 30 million people?

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Corbic

01-17-2019, 03:54 PM

China?

The collapse of the Soviet Union?Oh you mean the Great Wall of China that let them build an entire Empire shut off from the rest of the world for a thousand years? The wall that forced the Mongol hoards into Europe...

The Berlin Wall!? The wall that ensure people remained separated for over 50 years...

Othe successful walls, Isreal, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Haydrian's, Folga Gap, Korean DMZ... The wall you built in your mind protecting you from rational thoughts.

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gbaby2089

01-17-2019, 09:18 PM

nopenopenope

Corbic

01-18-2019, 06:30 AM

People move to America for a better life.

They can do so legally...

We have no obligation to let them in by mass, expecially since we have so many actual citizens in need. Your argument is the same as "don't put muggers in prison, they just need money for a better life"

American voters from MS/AL/KS, etc., vote to preserve their crappy lives & to make the lives of urban voters worse.

You ever been to Huntsville or Birmingham? For someone claiming to be so clever you sure are failing to prove it.

Both are beautiful cities, Huntsville was the birth place of the space program and remains a hub for aerospace and defense industry.

It's funny how everyone is fleeing California for "crappy rural towns" like Portland, Denver, Austin, Phoniex and Seattle (and then Destroying the reasons they moved there in the first place).

Rural voters hate urban voters much more than the other way around.

Yet you are the one calling everyone stupid and "crappy lives" and being all dramatic and emotional.

hahahahahaha holy shit. Every country you just celebrated committed terrible human rights atrocities. You're really bad at this, that or you love fascists.

And I know what that word means better than you backwoods boy.

You clearly don't know what Fascism is and are just using that as a typical leftist hysterical shriek because you are unable to make an actual argument.

The GWC was built to protect people and cities from the Mongol hoards who spent almost a milenium raiding, murdering, raping and pillaging. It worked. It is not "fascism".

Haydrian's wall was built to stop the northern tribes from raiding, murdering, raping and pillaging the civilized Roman southern portion of Britain. It worked, it was not "fascism".

Walls in Iraq have been constructed to stop the murder of police, bombing of civilians and secular terrorism of communities. It's worked. It's not "facism ".

Walls in Isreal have been built to stop secular violence, suicide bombs and murders by forcing people to use check points to enter and exit. It's worked. It's not "fascism".

Hungary constructed fences to force people to follow the legal process for application of ayslim as refugees and obtain proper paper work and status. It's worked. It's not "fascism".

Korea(s) built the DMZ to manage the boarder between North and South and maintain peace. Gotta keep them separated. Its worked. It's not "fascism".

The US and NATO maintained the Folga Gap to protect the west from a Soviet invasion. That's not "fascism".

The Soviets built thr Berlin Wall to reduce tensions from the west and protect themselves from the west... You know since they had just lost 20 million people fighting the western Fascists a few years early and were paranoid it will happen again. Russia has only been invaded a dozen times in the last few hundred years.

You clearly don't have a grasp on "fascism" and lack the basic moral competency to understand why a country should be held accountable to protect its citizens.

If Trump was a fascist, he'd be advocating to invade Mexico, not build a WALL. Instead he wants to pull out of Syria and the Liberals are shrieking.

If Mexicans want a better life, why don't they fix their country. It is a Democracy..... So? There is no reason Mexico can't be a great country if people actually tried.

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gbaby2089

01-18-2019, 08:09 AM

nopenopenope

Corbic

01-18-2019, 08:49 AM

All of those cities are liberal strongholds.

Look at how Bham/Huntsville vote relative to the rest of those states.

Cities are inherently blue. Thank you for proving my point.

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Mayor of Huntsville is a Republican. Even the Democrats in these areas are going to be more sane and conservative then those living in California.

Thanks for proving my point, Lenin.

Fascists don't automatically have to start wars/invade countries. Robert Mugabe was a fascist, he did not invade South Africa.

Fascism: radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy

Those are all things Trump is trying to do. YOU do not know what fascism is, you just know that you support it.

I know more than you.

Everything is facisims!!!

Nice Wikipedia quote.

Please read up on it some more. Your just regurgitating idiotic leftist rhetoric.

https://bigthink.com/scotty-hendricks/for-your-next-political-argument-what-fascism-really-is

You are unable how to articulate how boarder security is "facism".

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gbaby2089

01-18-2019, 09:16 AM

nopenopenope

gbaby2089

01-18-2019, 09:26 AM

nopenopenope

feito

01-18-2019, 11:13 AM

I know more than you.

Oh yeah... Well.... My dad can beat your dad!
Lol, seriously, i dont know why anyone would bother to listen to your opinion past that point, with the mentality of a 5 year old.
Wait, you really are a woman, arent you? Supporter of the metoo bs, pink pussy hat and all, right? Of course, that would explain a lot of your attitude. Im really sorry, and yes, u know it all and have it all figured out.
Good luck medicating for the next 6 years, im soooo not sorry your gal lost, and good luck.
Please dont come to tx. We're already getting enough californias who are escaping from that shithole you call paradise, unless you change your radical political views.
Im taking a break from this funny thread and going back to do some car stuff in this tremendous car forum.

spooled240

01-18-2019, 11:17 AM

And lol @ THOSE DEMOCRATS ARE MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN CALIFORNIA DEMS, yeah and they're still not republicans dipshit.

Remember, California for all its ZOMG LEFTIST (lol idiot) policies is the strongest state in the country.

He's right, CA liberalism is on a whole other level.

Fascism is Anti-Rational

Illegal immigrants have minimal negative impact on our country, have many positives, yet they're the biggest issue. Climate change is happening, all scientists agree on it, BUT I CAN'T FEEL IT.

C'mon man, let's be honest here lol

https://www.heritage.org/immigration/report/the-fiscal-cost-unlawful-immigrants-and-amnesty-the-us-taxpayer

gbaby2089

01-18-2019, 11:40 AM

nopenopenope

gbaby2089

01-18-2019, 11:43 AM

nopenopenope

R3b

01-18-2019, 12:08 PM

Corbic

01-18-2019, 12:19 PM

As an Immigrant myself it blows my mind the ignorance of both sides of the argument of having the wall. I wish we would of had this talk after 9/11 happened because immigration here has become such a shit show since then. Honestly the only way for someone to come here at this point is to marry or bring in massive amounts of money...

People who say "just come in legal" dont understand the process let alone know how many people have came to this country legally and been failed by the immigration process while others come here illegally and some how become legal? At this point there needs to be more focus on immigration reform to fix the issue of whatever illegals are here along with future immigrants and get them into the system while at the same time put more effort into our borders to at least stop the already back logged system till something new gets put into place.

I just dont see how all of a sudden immigration has been such a big issue since this should of been discussed almost 20 years ago. The only thing I can say is ignorance on both DEM and REP really only talking about it when it suits there interest. We had the whole issue with the Dreamers bill being declined, had protest, news post etc going on for a month. Dems virtual signalling how we need to save these kids and "you're a literally NAZI" if you dont let the dreamers stay while at the same time REP saying Americans come first but dont realized most dreamers get 0 aid for school let alone any government help, are bettering themselves for education and all want to better this country.

After all that nothing was said for MONTHS about immigration till this whole wall and shutdown or deal. Absolutely ridiculousIt's been a huge issue for almost 40 years. The problem has been two-faced politians who have just kicked the can every election cycle.

You can find videos from 30 years ago of Harry Reid ranting about stricter boarder enforcement, etc.

They just say whatever they want.

Plenty of people immigrate here legally every year. Approxmently 400,000 new people arrive in the US legally each year. 600,000 receive "change of status" each year.

We now have the highest level of immigrants in US history, 37 million people.

That is more then 1 in 10 people were not born in America to American parents.

Combine that with the 20-30 million illegal aliens and we are talking about 1 in 5.

At what point do we cease to be America and end up a 3rd world shit hole?

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spooled240

01-18-2019, 12:54 PM

People who say "just come in legal" dont understand the process let alone know how many people have came to this country legally and been failed by the immigration process while others come here illegally and some how become legal? At this point there needs to be more focus on immigration reform to fix the issue of whatever illegals are here along with future immigrants and get them into the system while at the same time put more effort into our borders to at least stop the already back logged system till something new gets put into place.

Immigration reform is an entirely different issue from securing our borders. Just because it might be more difficult to come here legally doesn't justify having the borders wide open and allowing people to come in illegally.

I just dont see how all of a sudden immigration has been such a big issue since this should of been discussed almost 20 years ago. The only thing I can say is ignorance on both DEM and REP really only talking about it when it suits there interest. We had the whole issue with the Dreamers bill being declined, had protest, news post etc going on for a month. Dems virtual signalling how we need to save these kids and "you're a literally NAZI" if you dont let the dreamers stay while at the same time REP saying Americans come first but dont realized most dreamers get 0 aid for school let alone any government help, are bettering themselves for education and all want to better this country.

..but it has been a big issue and was discussed in the past. Clinton in 1995 and Obama in 2005. It's just now that we have a president that is actually doing something about it.

spooled240

01-18-2019, 01:05 PM

That's a bad source.

The Heritage Foundation is a wholly partisan institution that has publicly pledged its support to Donald Trump. It is a conservative 'thinktank' and has been since its inception in the Reagan years.

Find a source without such a clear bias and we can talk.

I mean it does include US census data..

Feel free to post unbiased sources that show "Illegal immigrants have minimal negative impact on our country, have many positives"

gbaby2089

01-18-2019, 01:52 PM

nopenopenope

spooled240

01-18-2019, 02:38 PM

I'm waiting for proof of negatives from the folks who want to spend billions to build a wall.

The US already lags behind most of the developed countries in the world by quality of life metrics as a result of failure to progress as a country.

There are parts of the American south where you're not far from a third world life style.

Immigrants do not make this country weaker, they make us stronger.

Please just answer this:

Would you be opposed to the idea of having absolutely zero regulation on immigration to this country?

Corbic

01-18-2019, 03:13 PM

UOOBlcOIcLs

gbaby2089

01-18-2019, 06:12 PM

nopenopenope

VNG704

01-19-2019, 05:02 AM

I'm down with reform. Bandaid solutions like walls are temporary. Good results for now, but as history shows, history will repeat. It's kind of like putting stop a leak products in a leaky radiator.

Corbic

01-19-2019, 07:44 AM

I'm down with reform. Bandaid solutions like walls are temporary. Good results for now, but as history shows, history will repeat. It's kind of like putting stop a leak products in a leaky radiator.So.... You want a final solution?

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gbaby2089

01-19-2019, 07:33 PM

nopenopenope

spooled240

01-20-2019, 03:39 PM

Of course I would be opposed to that.

And why is that?

gbaby2089

01-20-2019, 04:13 PM

nopenopenope

supersayianjim

01-20-2019, 07:18 PM

build the fucking wall, just saying!!

spooled240

01-21-2019, 04:05 PM

People need protection, those protections in the form of identification, access to programs, benefits, etc.Exactly, which is why it's absolutely unacceptable to have sections of a border that are wide open.

Corbic

01-21-2019, 09:31 PM

https://youtu.be/mM0yxOdA9Zk

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supersayianjim

01-22-2019, 07:25 AM

build the wall, and ban liberals

Corbic

01-22-2019, 12:20 PM

build the wall, and ban liberals106184

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gbaby2089

01-23-2019, 09:53 AM

nopenopenope

spooled240

01-23-2019, 02:53 PM

lmao

Tell that to every other country in the world.

..but other countries do have border protection..

For the sake of argument let's say every other country in the world didn't have border protection. Is this a good enough reason not to provide:

..protection, those protections in the form of identification, access to programs, benefits, etc.

gbaby2089

01-23-2019, 02:57 PM

nopenopenope

Corbic

01-23-2019, 03:41 PM

..but other countries do have border protection..

For the sake of argument let's say every other country in the world didn't have border protection. Is this a good enough reason not to provide:Also who thr fuck wants to sneak into Venezuela or Nigeria?

It's not like Cuba has an illegal alien problem.

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Corbic

01-23-2019, 03:41 PM

We have border patrol.

That's plenty.20-35 million illegal aliens would appear to indicate otherwise....

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gbaby2089

01-23-2019, 06:40 PM

nopenopenope

Corbic

01-23-2019, 08:21 PM

46 million Trump voters suggest we have a common sense problem but you have no desire to fight that?

No, I totally agree.

It's terrorfying just how many stupid people are drinking the "orange man bad" kool-aid.

Not enough people support Trump.

Change the systems to make them more efficient and there are less illegal people. Walls don't stop people, drugs or crime.

Facts don't care about your feelings. You feel a wall won't work. Statistics show it will.

Simply shrugging and saying "whelp we can't stop them, just let them in" is the exact fucking opposite of a solution.

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spooled240

01-23-2019, 11:32 PM

Lets just end this debate on the fact that we will all be dead when the world ends in 12 years.

Only Bernie/AOC and the lbgqtxyz123 communisty can save us.

gbaby2089

01-24-2019, 06:03 AM

nopenopenope

Corbic

01-24-2019, 09:02 AM

"not enough people support Trump"

Right, the guy who is trying to end any semblance of voter freedom and begin an actual one party state needs more supporters.I think you are confused. Trump isn't the one that sabotaged the entire electoral process to ensure his nomination.

He won despite the entire organized attempt of the media, entertainment and tech industries to ensure a DNC victory. They rigged the system so hard that 2 years later they still are in shock and unable to grasp it.

You have a completely warped perception of the world. Requiring registration and ID to vote is not destroying democracy, its protecting it.

How can Trump be trying to ensure a one party system when half the fucking Republicans are so embedded in the system they appose him at every opportunity. The entire established media, tech industry and federal ABC agencies are doing anything and everything to wreck him with full support of the DNC and established GOP Hacks.

That is the polar opposite of what you describe. He is the enemy of thr Facist One Party State you keep crying about.

DNC opposes a wall because it's going to limit their access to more poor, uneducated government reliant, socialist leaning voters to keep them in power. The DNC doesn't want to lift anyone out of poverty. They want you to be totally dependent on them to keep voting for them and keep them and their allies wealthy and in power.

AOC will have made a million bucks by the end of 2020 after all her interviews and speaking engagements. Her idiot supporters will still be poor thinking how unfair it is she needs to pay $3k a month for an apartment.

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RalliartRsX

01-24-2019, 09:25 AM

I think you are confused. Trump isn't the one that sabotaged the entire electoral process to ensure his nomination.

He won despite the entire organized attempt of the media, entertainment and tech industries to ensure a DNC victory. They rigged the system so hard that 2 years later they still are in shock and unable to grasp it.

You have a completely warped perception of the world. Requiring registration and ID to vote is not destroying democracy, its protecting it.

How can Trump be trying to ensure a one party system when half the fucking Republicans are so embedded in the system they appose him at every opportunity. The entire established media, tech industry and federal ABC agencies are doing anything and everything to wreck him with full support of the DNC and established GOP Hacks.

That is the polar opposite of what you describe. He is the enemy of thr Facist One Party State you keep crying about.

DNC opposes a wall because it's going to limit their access to more poor, uneducated government reliant, socialist leaning voters to keep them in power. The DNC doesn't want to lift anyone out of poverty. They want you to be totally dependent on them to keep voting for them and keep them and their allies wealthy and in power.

AOC will have made a million bucks by the end of 2020 after all her interviews and speaking engagements. Her idiot supporters will still be poor thinking how unfair it is she needs to pay $3k a month for an apartment.

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Have you been under a rock the last 12 years?? Have you not seen all the Russian indictiments?? Have you not seen the unredacted report from the Manafort lawyers??

He won because everything points to at minimum, the trump admin feeding information to Russian troll farms to DIRECTLY influence the election.

But keep ignoring all that to feed your false narrative.....

trumps approval is @ 34%. Basically his racist, narcissistic, uneducated base are the only ones who support trump.

P.S If you have a problem with illegals, tell all employers (including the farmers) to stop hiring folks without paperwork. And NO they are not stealing the jobs, they are doing the jobs Americans refuse to do and because folks are all about the almightly dollar, they hire cheaper immigrants

RalliartRsX

01-24-2019, 10:09 AM

I'd curious to see those numbers. According to the US Border Patrol statistics, drug seizures at the Southern Border account for a huge amount of national total.

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2017-Dec/USBP%20Stats%20FY2017%20sector%20profile.pdf

Read the report.

US DEA 2017 National Drug Assessment. This is the unclassified report for the end of 2017.
https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2018-07/DIR-040-17_2017-NDTA.pdf

I am still reading through the 2018 report
https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2018-11/DIR-032-18%202018%20NDTA%20final%20low%20resolution.pdf

Fentanyl

Transportation and Distribution Fentanyl is transported into the United States
in parcel packages directly from China or from China through Canada, and is also smuggled across the SWB from Mexico. Large volumesof fentanyl are seized at the SWB, although
these seizures are typically low in purity – on
average approximately 7 percent. Conversely,
the smaller volumes seized after arriving in
the mail directly from China can have purities
over 90 percent and be worth much more than
the fentanyl seized at the SWB

So China, is the issue, not the SWB

methamphetamine

According to the 2017 NDTS, 40 percent
of respondents reported an increase in
the distribution of methamphetamine
and 37 percent of respondents reported
an increase in the transportation of
methamphetamine. While market demands

vary, methamphetamine is seized in every
state in the United States, and several U.S.
territories. Mexican TCOs control wholesale
methamphetamine distribution, while both
Mexican and Caucasian criminal groups
typically control retail distribution in the
United States.
The SWB remains the main entry point for the
majority of methamphetamine entering the
United States. Methamphetamine seizures
along the SWB increased 157 percent from
CY 2012 (8,213 kg) to CY 2016 (21,121
kg) (see Figure 72). The majority (47%) of
methamphetamine seized along the SWB in
CY 2016 occurred in the San Diego corridor.
Seizures increased in every corridor along the
SWB (see Figure 73).
Traffickers employ various methods
and techniques in the concealment of
methamphetamine, such as human couriers, commercial flights, parcel services, and
commercial buses. Traffickers most
commonly transport small, multi-kilogram
shipments of methamphetamine in
privately-owned vehicles.
In January 2017, CBP officers at
the Calexico East POE discovered
83 pounds of methamphetamine
concealed inside the bed of a pickup
truck. A CBP K-9 team screening
conveyances alerted to the truck’s
undercarriage (see Figure 74).
• In December 2016, CBP officers
seized approximately 200 pounds of
suspected crystal methamphetamine
at the World Trade Bridge POE in
Laredo, Texas. A canine (K-9) and
non-intrusive inspection led to the
discovery of methamphetamine
concealed within 45 fiberglass pots
(see Figure 75).

Legal Points of Entry!! Border security, NOT wall security (which you have yet to answer the question on the difference between the two)

Cocaine

Traffickers most commonly
smuggle cocaine into the United States via
privately owned vehicles passing through
ports of entry along the SWB. Cocaine
is hidden amongst legitimate cargo on
commercial trucks or secreted inside hidden
compartments built within passenger
vehicles.

Commercial air smuggling is another
important conveyance method for cocaine
traffickers looking to smuggle cocaine from
South America and the Caribbean into the United States. This type of air smuggling has
four different aspects to it: couriers, cargo,
mail/express consignment, and internal
conspiracy. In courier cases, passengers—
and sometimes crew members—smuggle
small quantities of cocaine, ranging from .5
to under 10 kilograms, on commercial flights,
most often originating in the Caribbean.
Cocaine in concealed cargo shipments ranges
from under a kilogram to several hundreds
of kilograms in a single shipment. Express
consignment shipments of cocaine are more
likely to transit the United States than mail
shipments

Legal Points of Entry. Border security, NOT wall security (which you have yet to answer the question on the difference between the two).

Also, ships via the Caribbean sea, etc

Its a 156 page report, which I read through hence why it took me so long.

Also, important stats like a drop in smuggling of Cocaine for example through 2016.

Still working through the 2018 report

RalliartRsX

01-24-2019, 10:15 AM

Corbic

01-24-2019, 10:16 AM

Have you been under a rock the last 12 years?? Have you not seen all the Russian indictiments?? Have you not seen the unredacted report from the Manafort lawyers??

He won because everything points to at minimum, the trump admin feeding information to Russian troll farms to DIRECTLY influence the election.

But keep ignoring all that to feed your false narrative.....

trumps approval is @ 34%. Basically his racist, narcissistic, uneducated base are the only ones who support trump.

P.S If you have a problem with illegals, tell all employers (including the farmers) to stop hiring folks without paperwork. And NO they are not stealing the jobs, they are doing the jobs Americans refuse to do and because folks are all about the almightly dollar, they hire cheaper immigrants

Nearly 3 years of nonstop Russian Hysteria and investigation and not a shread of proof Russia did jack shit. Please show me how any of this has even remotely benifited the Ruskies?

12 years ago Obama and Hilary were giving Putin blowjobs and waving a "Reset" Button because Bush was an assholes and we need to be friends.
But hey, Orange Man Bad!! Russian server posted a Facebook meme and that caused Trump to win!!

Pages of proof of DNC election fraud, Hilary's blatent violation of Federal Law and, whelp nothing. Oh yeah, and some DNC cronies are being indidted for trying to make "fake Russian" "fake news" during the mid terms.

I 100% support locking up employers and deporting illegals. To bad your ABC Federales are illegally investigating links Russian Facebook trolls instead of doing their jobs.

As for "jobs Americans won't do" #bullshit

I'm guessing you are the same jack wagon that cries about rent being to expensive and demanding a minimum wage of $20 an hour.

Do they not teach American or economics history anymore? Influx of cheap unskilled labor drives down wages for unskilled jobs.

If husking corn paid $20 an hour, you'd have scores of teenagers lined up to do it. Instead it's $6 bucks off the books. Fuck that says anyone that can get a job at Costco for $12/hr.

Rent? Less people, less demand = less expensive.

Free College! Guess what, everyone goes to college, you cease to be a unique commodity and now "Must have MBA and 5 years experience" becomes the minimum requirement.

Most positions I now deal with and hire, a BA automatically disqualifies you without 15 years experience. The application software just junks it. You need at minimum a Bachelors of Science degree, not Arts. Guess what 90% of the NPCs get these days?

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Corbic

01-24-2019, 10:18 AM

I would LOVE to see how a wall will prevent tunneling..............

Largest single group of migrants ever tunnels under border wall in Arizona, says Border Protection
(https://abcnews.go.com/US/largest-single-group-migrants-tunnels-border-wall-arizona/story?id=60462672)If we know about the group... Why did they not get, shot, arrested, imprisoned and deported? [emoji849]

And just to be clear, if one single person enters the US Illegally, you position then is, "fuck it, let them all in"?

supersayianjim

01-24-2019, 11:19 AM

build the wall, ban liberals!

Corbic

01-24-2019, 11:25 AM

build the wall, ban liberals!GOP even offered amnesty (DACA) and thr DNC refused to vote... And Trump is the Facist? [emoji1787]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190124/ca7fae75a49ac125c69ee8fd45f9b622.jpg

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RalliartRsX

01-24-2019, 11:43 AM

Corbic show me your proof of election fraud from the DNC. I posted stats and proper evidence. All you have done is sprout your opinion.

Here is MY evidence on ALL Russian indictiments over the past 12 months. As it turns out, ALL are tied to GOP in some way or the other

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-collusion-investigation-indicted-robert-mueller-1244835

THEY HAVE ALL PLEADED GUILTY

pecial Counsel Robert Mueller has so far indicted 34 people and three companies as part of his probe into allegations of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia during the 2016 presidential election.

Among them are five former Trump officials, all of whom have pleaded guilty to criminal charges, and 26 Russian nationals.

Michael Cohen

Michael Cohen
Michael Cohen, former personal attorney to President Donald Trump, exits federal court, November 29, 2018 in New York City. At the court hearing, Cohen pleaded guilty to making false statements to Congress about a Moscow real estate project Trump pursued during the months he was running for president.
DREW ANGERER/GETTY IMAGES

Trump’s former attorney and fixer Cohen pleaded guilty as part of a plea deal last week to lying to Congress over a planned Trump Organization real estate project in Moscow.

Cohen told a federal judge in Manahattan that he had spoken more extensively with Trump about the project than he had admitted to Congress in testimony last year, with conversations extending to June 2016.

In August, Cohen admitted as part of a plea deal to campaign finance violations in relation to hush money payments made to two adult entertainers who claim they had affairs with Trump, as well as tax evasion and bank fraud crimes. These offenses were intially investigated by Mueller, but were handed off to the U.S. Attorney’s office for the Southern District of New York.

George Papadopoulos

09_07_18_PapadopoulosFake
Foreign policy adviser to President Donald Trump's election campaign, George Papadopoulos, and his wife Simona Mangiante Papadopoulos leave U.S. District Court after his sentencing in Washington, D.C. on September 7.
MANDEL NGAN/AFP/GETTY IMAGES

A former foreign policy adviser with the Trump campaign, Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying to investigators in October 2017 about people who he believed were working on behalf of Russians. He was sentenced to 14 days in prison in August.

In April 2016 Papadopoulos met with Maltese Professor Joseph Mifsud, who said he could put Papadopoulos in touch with Russians who had dirt of Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump's rival during the 2016 presidential election. Papadopoulos went on to have further contact with the professor, who brokered meetings between Papadopoulos and two Russian nationals.

Paul Manafort

paul manafort news, trial, charges, mueller
Former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort leaves the Albert V. Bryan U.S. Courthouse with his wife, Kathleen Manafort (left), after an arraignment hearing in Alexandria, Virginia.
PHOTO BY ALEX WONG/GETTY IMAGES

Manafort served as chairman of Trump’s presidential campaign, and was charged in October 2017 with tax and bank fraud, false statements, being an unregistered agent of a foreign power, and obstruction of justice.

The charges stemmed from Manafort's work as a lobbyist for Ukrainian politicians and the Ukrainian government, and his bid to conceal his role and the money he made.

He initially fought the charges, and in August was convicted in Virginia on eight counts of fraud. The jury though could not reach a consensus verdict on ten of the 18 counts. He will be sentenced in February.

He accepted a plea deal with Mueller in September, pleading guilty to conspiring to defraud the U.S. and conspiring to obstruct justice. But in November the deal fell apart and the FBI said Manafort had breached the plea bargain and lied to them.

Rick Gates

03_28_RickGates
Rick Gates, former campaign aide to U.S. President Donald Trump, departs after a bond hearing at U.S. District Court in Washington, U.S., December 11, 2017.
JOSHUA ROBERTS/REUTERS

An associate of Manafort and former campaign adviser to Trump, Gates pleaded guilty in February to financial fraud and lying to the FBI as part of a plea deal with Mueller.

Gates in August testified at Manafort's trial, saying that he and Manafort had run an elaborate network of offshore accounts and shell companies where they chanelled their lobbying cash, and admitted to stealing from Manafort to fund a lavish lifestyle and extramarital affair.

Michael Flynn

michael flynn
Michael Flynn, former national security adviser to President Donald Trump, leaves following his plea hearing at the Prettyman Federal Courthouse in Washington, D.C., on December 1, 2017.
CHIP SOMODEVILLA/GETTY IMAGES

Trump’s former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn pleaded guilty last December to lying to the FBI about his contact with Russia’s ambassador to the United States.

In December 2016, Flynn had spoken with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak about new sanctions imposed on Russia by the outgoing Obama administration, and about a planned UN Security Council vote condemning Israeli settlements. He admitted lying to the FBI about the content of his discussions with Kislyak.

On Tuesday, Mueller recommended that Flynn serve no jail time for the offence, revealing that Flynn had cooperated extensively with FBI agents on three ongoing investigations.

Russian Nationals

In July, 12 members of the Russian GRU military intelligence agency were indicted on charges of conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States, identity theft, conspiracy to launder money.

The charges related to the hacking of emails from DNC servers in June 2016, which were then leaked online in a bid to damage Clinton's campaign.

The Russian government has denied the accusations.

A further 13 Russian nationals and three related companies had been indicted in February on charges of conspiracy to defraud the U.S., conspiracy to commit bank fraud, identity theft.

The charges relate to Russia’s use of “troll farms” to spread propaganda and disinformation during the 2016 campaign, with the notorious Internet Research Agency and two companies created to finance it singled out in the indictment.

Among those charged was Yevgeny Prigozhin, the alleged financier of the operation and member of Russian President Vladimir Putin's inner circle, who runs a network of catering and restaurant businesses.

Mueller has also charged several individuals not employed by the Trump campaign.

Sam Patten

A lobbyist who has worked with Manafort, Patten in August pleaded guilty as part of a plea deal to failing to register as an agent of a foreign power.

Konstantin Kilimnik

A Russian army-trained linguist and former associate of Manafort, Kliminik was charged in June with obstruction of justice.

Alex van der Zwaan

An attorney who worked with Manafort and Gates, van der Zwaan pleaded guilty in February to lying to investigators about conversations with Gates, and was sentenced to 30 days in prison in April.

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He was deported to the Netherlands after serving his sentence.

Richard Pinedo

California resident Pinedo pleaded guilty to identity fraud in April 2018, after selling bank accounts opened using fraudulent information online to Russians. He was jailed for six months in October.

RalliartRsX

01-24-2019, 11:46 AM

CORBIC, DACA was a part of the original deal that trump vetoed way back in December.

Also, a court has upheld DACA, so why is trump offering something that is already upheld by the SCOTUS??

Please tell me, as a negotiation tactic, how does that work?!?!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/22/politics/daca-supreme-court/index.html

"The justices' refusal to act on the government's pending appeals in the DACA litigation means, among other things, that President Trump can't use this litigation, at least for now, for leverage in negotiations over the government shutdown," said Steve Vladeck, CNN Supreme Court analyst and professor of law at the University of Texas School of Law.
"Even if the court agrees to take up these cases, the earliest it would hear them now is this fall, with no decision until early 2020," Vladeck added. "That kicks the debate over DACA back to the political branches."

RalliartRsX

01-24-2019, 11:50 AM

So Corbic, explain to me again, how trump is offering DACA protections, something the court has already upheld OUTSIDE of negotiations??

And you know which officer protected him?? A Gay Woman police officer. A woman from the same group Scalise has voted against in the past....

Also, Griner, another who saved Scalise's life is black. Scalise have given talks to KKK and White supremacist groups in the past.

Both were not only part of the responding officers, but were a PART OF HIS SECURITY DETAIL! Let that sink in for a sec. The same people who he is an adamantly against is in his SECURITY DETAIL and ultimately SAVED HIS LIFE AND TOOK A BULLET FOR HIM!

On 15 June 2017, a post circulate claiming via social media asserting that police officer Crystal Griner (who had been wounded during the shooting of House Majority Whip Steve Scalise one day earlier) was a lesbian, and she risked her life to save a man who was opposed to her own marriage:

The post maintained that Griner (a lesbian) saved Scalise (an opponent of LGBT rights), and ended with a “that’s right, haters” message.

Although elements of the post are accurate, on the whole it left out a lot of context and a complex backstory involving Griner, Bailey, their jobs, and the shooting incident.

It is true that Griner is married to another woman, an incidental detail reported by gay publication Washington Blade:

Capitol Police Officer Crystal Griner — a lesbian in a same-sex marriage — was among those wounded during a shooting this week in the Virginia suburbs and received a visit from President Trump during his trip to the hospital to see the victims.

Griner was among the five people shooter James T. Hodgkinson wounded during an incident at the Republican congressional baseball practice. On the House floor, House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) praised her as one of the officers who saved lives during the shooting where House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) was badly wounded.

According to CBS News, Griner and Special Agent David Bailey rushed Hodgkinson despite their own wounds. After being shot in the ankle, she was taken to MedStar Washington Hospital Center for recovery.

Furthermore, both Griner and Bailey are black, and in the days after the shooting a quote attributed to Scalise describing himself as “David Duke without the baggage” re-entered the news cycle. Although that quote, too, was often presented in a facile manner, Scalise had come under fire for his purported links to white supremacist groups:

[Scalise has] admitted to giving a speech to white supremacists.

In 2002, Scalise spoke to the European Unity and Rights Organization, a group led by Duke, the former Grand Wizard of the KKK. “He told me he was like David Duke without the baggage,” Stephanie Grace, a long-time political reporter, told The New York Times in 2014 of her first meeting with Scalise. “I think he meant he supported the same policy ideas as David Duke, but he wasn’t David Duke, that he didn’t have the same feelings about certain people as David Duke did.” While Scalise admitted to the speech, he later claimed he didn’t know their cause was white supremacy.

Griner and Bailey were rightly hailed for averting what could have been a massacre, nut the pair were not merely responding officers acting in a moment of spontaneity; they were specifically assigned to protect Scalise as part of his security detail:

A mass shooting during a congressional baseball practice could have been a full-blown “massacre,” Congress members say. Instead, two special agents put their lives on the line, potentially saving dozens of others.

Capitol Police officers Crystal Griner and David Bailey are special agents on Rep. Steve Scalise’s security detail. Scalise was standing near second base in an Alexandria, Virginia park when the bullets began flying from behind the third base dugout, striking Scalise. While Scalise dragged himself to safety, Griner and Bailey lept into action. In an extended firefight, the two agents took down shooter James Hodgkinson while battling through injuries of their own. Both were taken to the hospital after the gunfight, and are recovering from their injuries, officials say …

Most congress members do not have their own security details. But high-ranking officials like Scalise, the House Majority Whip, are assigned security teams.

Had Scalise not been present at the early-morning practice, neither Griner and Bailey would have been on the scene to intervene:

If Scalise hadn’t attended with his security detail, lawmakers said, many of their colleagues likely would have been slaughtered by Hodgkinson.

“Our lives were saved by the Capitol Police. Had they not been there I think it would have been a massacre,” Sen. Rand Paul said on CNN after the shooting. “The field, I mean, was basically a killing field.” But the Capitol Police officers weren’t the only ones credited with saving lives during the shootout.

Despite Rep. Scalise’s reported proximity to white supremacists during his political career (Scalise clarified that he disavowed any such ideology in 2014), friends said Bailey was devoted to his duty of protecting Scalise:

“[Bailey] definitely takes his job very seriously. He works really hard and is committed to keeping the Whip safe and to serving,” [friend Danielle] Carpenter told The Daily Beast. “He is a leader in all ways. He is one of the best guys I’ve ever met—is kind to everyone and always makes sure that everyone feels safe and taken care of. Dave is really proud of his Brazilian and Jamaican heritage and you can tell he would do anything for family. He considers Congressman Scalise and his family as his own, so it is no surprise that he would make any sacrifice necessary to keep Whip Scalise safe.”

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/crystal-griner-steve-scalise/

RalliartRsX

01-24-2019, 11:54 AM

Anyways, moving on.

MEXICO PAYING FOR THE WALL??

No one seems to want to answer that questions..

Corbic

01-24-2019, 11:56 AM

You've not shown a single piece of collisions, subversion or conspiracy.

You have a witch hunt that's using the excuse of subversion to put people in jail for tax fraud and purgury. Purgury that would never have had happened without thr investigation.

This is 100% the type of political terrony that you leftist bitch about all the fucking time.

Oh, you want to run against me? Well I'm going to have thr XYZ agency dig into you until they find something, missed tax return, speeding tickets, kissed a girl at prom without asking for permission... And I'll fucking ruin you. So don't you dare!

All those fluffed up indictments and not a single fucking shred of proof of any quid-pro-qou that if Russia helps Trump, Trump helps Russia.

The entire investigation was based and authorized on a fake propaganda report that was created by the DNC.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/clinton-campaign-dnc-paid-for-research-that-led-to-russia-dossier/2017/10/24/226fabf0-b8e4-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html

Seriously dude. Wake the fuck up.

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spooled240

01-24-2019, 12:03 PM

Fentanyl

"Transportation and Distribution Fentanyl is transported into the United States
in parcel packages directly from China or from China through Canada, and is also smuggled across the SWB from Mexico. Large volumes of fentanyl are seized at the SWB, although
these seizures are typically low in purity – on
average approximately 7 percent. Conversely,
the smaller volumes seized after arriving in
the mail directly from China can have purities
over 90 percent and be worth much more than
the fentanyl seized at the SWB"

So China, is the issue, not the SWB

Also from the article:
"Because of the differences in both seizure
size and average purity, it is currently not
possible to determine which source, Mexico
or China, is the greater direct threat as a
supplier of fentanyl to the United States.
While seizures likely originating in Mexico
represent the largest total gross weight of
fentanyl seized in the United States"

Not exactly what I took away from reading this section.

I'll read more of this later.

RalliartRsX

01-24-2019, 12:07 PM

Ok. Did the GOP pay for the Mueller investigation?? That was a bipartisan effort by Congress and was NOT what led to the the Mueller investigation

Corbic, read your own article. I will make sure to bolt, underline and italic it as you seem to not want to read past the headline

Elias and his law firm, Perkins Coie, retained the company in April 2016 on behalf of the Clinton campaign and the DNC. Before that agreement, Fusion GPS's research into Trump was funded by an unknown Republican client during the GOP primary.

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The Clinton campaign and the DNC, through the law firm, continued to fund Fusion GPS's research through the end of October 2016, days before Election Day.

Fusion GPS gave Steele's reports and other research documents to Elias, the people familiar with the matter said. It is unclear how or how much of that information was shared with the campaign and the DNC and who in those organizations was aware of the roles of Fusion GPS and Steele. One person close to the matter said the campaign and the DNC were not informed by the law firm of Fusion GPS's role.

I will even pull the actual paragraph for you here

Elias and his law firm, Perkins Coie, retained the company in April 2016 on behalf of the Clinton campaign and the DNC. Before that agreement, Fusion GPS's research into Trump was funded by an unknown Republican client during the GOP primary.

Originally funded by an unknown Republican client. Clinton just picked up the tabbed and there is no evidence on if HRC even had access to the full information. It says it right there your own article you posted..........

Corbic

01-24-2019, 12:08 PM

Anyways, moving on.

MEXICO PAYING FOR THE WALL??

No one seems to want to answer that questions..Answered already. No one cares.

I'd vote for a $10 per paycheck tax just to build the Wall. Mexico will be paying once their people revolt since they can't escape anymore. They will be paying as they see a reduction in Western Union transfers. And they'll likely be paying since the new NAFTA rules will not be as favorable.

Trump never promised they'd write a check if you want to play the semantics game.

I also don't see you crying about Obama promising to keep your doctor or reduce premiums.

Hell, he promised Hope and Change and gave you fucking Hillary (epitome of the same corrupt shit) and Trump (everything Obama and his supporters hate). Ain't that a broken fucking promise.

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RalliartRsX

01-24-2019, 12:09 PM

Corbic, has ANYONE from the DNC or the HRC campaign been charged?? I know of 5 (4 of which from the trump campaign alone) who HAVE been charged......It says it right above

Corbic

01-24-2019, 12:09 PM

Corbic

01-24-2019, 12:10 PM

Corbic, has ANYONE from the DNC or the HRC campaign been charged?? I know of 5 (4 of which from the trump campaign alone) who HAVE been charged......It says it right aboveThat supports my statement...

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RalliartRsX

01-24-2019, 12:11 PM

RalliartRsX

01-24-2019, 12:11 PM

That supports my statement...

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4 or 5 FROM THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN! Its in my list above lol
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Hahhahah! Dude :D

Corbic

01-24-2019, 12:12 PM

!
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/crystal-griner-steve-scalise/

Your citing Snopes?

You want me to take you seriously? Can I use Info Wars as a credible source then?

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RalliartRsX

01-24-2019, 12:13 PM

UNKNOWN Republicans?!!!? Clearly must be true.

Go back and read my blasting of thr Establishment RINOs.

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So wait, you believe the headline, but don't believe the snippet about unknown republicans initially funding the research? Wait what?!?! You cannot just pick choose and refuse what you want to present out of context from an article. That is NOT how any of this works.........

Corbic

01-24-2019, 12:14 PM

From 08 to 2016, Obama brought us back from the worse recession in recent history.

But, OBAMA IS NOT PRESIDENT!! HRC IS NOT PRESIDENT!! We are talking about trump. Stop changing the topic

MEXICO PAY FOR THE WALL YET?? YOU MAD BRO?? TRIGGER BRO??

Hahahhaah! AnywaysYou mean he created the worst recession... Failed to deliver a single campaign promises and wasted trillions..

But hey, let's not bring up that "inconvient truth"! We have Russian Spies to find!

I guess it makes sense the left now hates Russia since they are no lo ger communists.

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RalliartRsX

01-24-2019, 12:14 PM

Your citing Snopes?

You want me to take you seriously? Can I use Info Wars as a credible source then?

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Snope or not, the information about his security detail is entirely true. Want me to grab anther source with the same corroborating info??

RalliartRsX

01-24-2019, 12:15 PM

Corbic, have a good day dude. Mexico pay for the wall yet??

RalliartRsX

01-24-2019, 12:17 PM

Answered already. No one cares.

If no one cares, why did trump campaign on that single topic for 95% of his campaign?? You are talking about Obama not delivering, this right here, is trump NOT DELIVERING on his campaign promise.

Hahahahaha! But hey, atleast trump doesnt wear tan suits, AMIRITE??

:2f2f:

Corbic

01-24-2019, 12:34 PM

So wait, you believe the headline, but don't believe the snippet about unknown republicans initially funding the research? Wait what?!?! You cannot just pick choose and refuse what you want to present out of context from an article. That is NOT how any of this works.........Serious question.

Are you retarded?

I'm being serious.

You have a leftist news source, who has blatent irrefutable facts, and agrees to them... But because they are so damning to their cause, tosses out an unsubstantiated theory.

That's like me saying "Hitler led the Nazi party, but we think he was possessed by aliens according to unknown sources".

Even if a "Republican" started it, that still does not justify the DNC running with it, giving it to the media, and DNC supporting agents within the FBI using its existence as evidence to support opening an investigation that's yet to find a single piece of proof to the original claimed crime.

Plenty of Republicans are just Democrats in disquies because they are from Conservative districts. John McCain is an outstanding example. Hence Republican In Name Only (RINO).

Don't for a minute think my hatred of Nazis, Commies and Socialists means I'm a defender of the GOP.

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RalliartRsX

01-24-2019, 12:46 PM

RalliartRsX

01-24-2019, 02:22 PM

You mean he created the worst recession... Failed to deliver a single campaign promises and wasted trillions..

But hey, let's not bring up that "inconvient truth"! We have Russian Spies to find!

I guess it makes sense the left now hates Russia since they are no lo ger communists.

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I was willing to drop it, but Please explain to me how Obama created a recession.

The US was waging war, and the housing market crashed due greedy bankers because of laxed banking regulation and the SEC turning a blind eye. I would LOVE to see you explain how Obama created the recession PRIOR to him becoming president.

I will sit here and wait for cold hard facts to support this..........Because there is NO WHERE on the web which supports this.

Obama was stuck between a rock and hard place. Bail out Auto Manufacturers, not upset the banking industry and somehow stimulate the economy, all while having to deal with a war the US essentially started in the middle east (go read about Operation Cylone; Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) program to arm and finance the mujahideen, in Afghanistan from 1979 to 1989, prior to and during the military intervention by the USSR ).

I would love how you explain a way a war (for example) Obama started when he was 18 years old and still in school or the banking industry which began unscrupulous practices well before the 2008 crash (essentially began a decade prior to 2008, so 10 years prior to Obama's reign).

That single statement that Obama was the cause of the recession is the most ridiculous and inane thing you have posted to date............

Corbic

01-24-2019, 02:35 PM

Yes. The "..... blatant irrefutable facts, and agrees to them..." is that an unknown GOP originally paid for the research. It is not only "leftist" sites posting this. This has been widely known for some time now. Why do you dismiss that single snippet of information, but quick to use the headline of the same story to explain away your argument??

And no, I am not retarded. You claimed HRC and the DNC initially paid for the research. You posted an article which refutes this. I point this out. The you say "how can you believe that piece of information?!!?"

But yet, you call me retarded

This is how "debates" go 100% of the time with staunch trump supporters They state something. I deny it with facts. They present some random out of context statement from an article which refutes their very point. I call them out on it. Then it immediately goes to name calling (by calling me retarded). I have YET to call anyone (including your Corbic) by random disrespectful names in this thread. But yet, I get called names all the time.

That is not how respectful conversation occurs..........but please do continue to call me names. Doesn't deny the fact the wall is NOT being paid for by Mexico and there is signs of collusion with the trump campaign.

Thanks for your input.The problem is I'm not calling you names. I'm asking an actual honest question.

You act as if you have a learning disability. You are transfixed on the fact that someone failed to report income from 2012 on their taxes as proof of a a Russian plot.

You are fixed on Mexico writing a check for a wall. I've said several times in this thread, I don't care. Anyone supporting thr wall, does not care.

Trump saying that or not does nothing to invalidate the need for the wall.

You are hooked on the nuances and are unable to see the big picture. This is what people with autism do.

"Facts" show a wall will have an impact and it will be cost effective. Go watch the video I posted above.

That's the end of the argument.

No one has claimed it will stop all drugs, all illegal immigration and cure cancer. The fact that it can't do all that and give out free blowjobs does not mean it should not be built.

The fact that a political campaign Manger is a douche (shock) does not prove Trump is a Mancurian Cadidate or that a wall should not. E built.

The entire Mueller case boils down to this.

Someone acuses you, RalliartRsX, of being a Chinese Spie and a traitor! They post that on Facebook and then I go "wow, it's on the internet, it must be true! I need to investigate"

So I investigate you. I find out that you failed to report out of state internet purchases on your taxes and you didn't report the profit from the last car you sold as income. I threaten you with 15 years in prison for committing fraud on your taxes. You plead guilty, take a 14 day sentence and I proclaim "I knew he was a POS, thanks Facebook!!".

I'm under no delusion that no amount of facts, evidence, arguements etc will convince you that the wall should be built and that Orange Man Not So Bad.

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RalliartRsX

01-24-2019, 02:51 PM

And yet no proof Obama started a recession.

Not even the GOP wants the wall as they voted against it today in the Senate....

Who wants the wall again??

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/01/24/senate-votes-on-government-shutdown-and-trump-border-wall-bill.html

The Dem bill fared slightly better, although ultimately both failed on the vine....

What a ducking mess....no one really wants the wall ultimately lol.

Sad....

gbaby2089

01-24-2019, 05:14 PM

nopenopenope

Corbic

01-24-2019, 06:41 PM

https://youtu.be/TDjQxDydCo0

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Corbic

01-25-2019, 07:23 AM

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190125/871439c366b3faddd04ad33dbdcb5d1a.jpg

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gbaby2089

01-25-2019, 08:52 AM

nopenopenope

RalliartRsX

01-25-2019, 09:27 AM

MEXICO PAYING FOR THE WALL YET??

Still no proof Obama started the recession
Still no proof any DNC or HRC is in cohorts with Russia
The GOP voted against the wall TWICE
And Roger Stone gets arrested by the FBI. Go ahead and add him to the list of trumpanzees who is arrested.....

https://pics.me.me/covfefe-ikea-471-612-x-313-329-x-3-772-896-x-754-579-x-22070919.png

RalliartRsX

01-25-2019, 03:58 PM

So lets recap

1) GOP votes AGAINST the wall
2) trump's adviser gets FBI raid. You should read he indictment.
3) trump caves and opens the government for 3 weeks without his wall funding........wall funding the GOP voted against TWICE in as many months

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RalliartRsX

01-25-2019, 04:22 PM

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Also from the article:
"Because of the differences in both seizure
size and average purity, it is currently not
possible to determine which source, Mexico
or China, is the greater direct threat as a
supplier of fentanyl to the United States.
While seizures likely originating in Mexico
represent the largest total gross weight of
fentanyl seized in the United States"

Not exactly what I took away from reading this section.

I'll read more of this later.

Fair statement. However, if you read a little further, Mexico gets alot of their supply from China and weight isn't necessarily the only issue to focus on

However, that negates the point I am trying to bring across; they are not smuggling across open, sprawling parts of the SWB through "illegal" entry. That has been the entire argument for a wall; to protect these supposed "illegal" smuggling zones that are currently not patrolled or "protected". Actually, there are really no stats to support such an argument come to think of it. That is contrary to what the DEA report surmises and has made mention to on multiple occasions throughout the report. They are smuggling through LEGAL Points of Entry. That has been the argument since day one.

Not saying it doesn't happen through parts of border not patrolled.

And I am going to ask the question again; what is the difference between border security and the wall?? Border Security has been funded (I think there was $20billion+ (don't quote me on that exact number, but it is in the billions) allocated in the budget trump vetoed) every single year for the past 20, 30 or whatever it is years. The fact that the media and trump continue to conflate the two is nonsense. Border Security has ALWAYS been funded. Simple

SimpleS14

01-26-2019, 09:31 AM

For now I don't think Roger Stone will cooperate with the SCO. The charges presented to him in the indictment will lead to probably six months of prison time (if convicted). I think there's more potential charges pending against him that the SCO is holding back. Specifically a charge along the lines of "Conspiracy to defraud the United States".

Looking at how these indictments are being laid out, the SCO is building a case and connecting the dots bit by bit ultimately leading to the endgame, which is a conspiracy or attempted conspiracy involving entities in U.S.and Russia.

As for the shutdown, IMO, it highlighted a lot of flaws in the administration and the Republican senate majority. It also highlighted the income disparity throughout the nation and how out of touch those at the top really are (i.e. Wilbur Ross). On a positive note, fellow Americans did come together to support each other through donations, food banks and deferments on financial obligations.

The coast-to-coast physical wall is not getting built. There's topology where it physically can't get built, logistics of getting it built and maintained would be absurdly expensive and people have private property along the border they will not relinquish. George W. Bush attempted land seizure through imminent domain (as part of the Secure Fence Act of 2006) and there are still lawsuits in the court fighting against this. What will most likely happen is additional funding towards the broader concept of border security, which the administration could spin as a "win" IMO.

RalliartRsX

01-26-2019, 10:33 AM

^^ great post.

When I mention imminent domain with regards to building a wall up staunch wall supporters and the response I get is "where you host your instagram pictures" then folks have no concept of how any of this works..

RalliartRsX

01-26-2019, 10:36 AM

Also in terms of Mueller, it's text book how this all plays out in building a very strong case. .
Perfect example; the mistake in redaction my manaforts lawyers. That is a glimpse into just how much information Mueller has compiled. You pick off the small fry and work your way up.

Just like how you get a mob boss. Interesting to watch his unfold

RalliartRsX

01-26-2019, 10:43 AM

PS Roger stone has a tattoo of Nixon on his back.....

That's all I will say about that.

Pandering like he is banking on a presidential pardon. As the Mueller case builds, the chance of him getting the presidential pardon may become less and less likely by the day.

As it stands, I don't think he will sing.....however, he may not need to and Mueller may have all that he needs.

PS Giuliani made the mistake to announce there are tapes, texts and emails lol!

Phlip

01-26-2019, 03:57 PM

I think the attempt at a land grab would be the effective murder of the whole thing. Land owners fighting that in court will outlast the administration, then the appetite for the project will have all but waned.

Giuliani is showing to be the kind of lawyer you hire to fight a small traffic ticket and winds up getting you convicted of murder.

gbaby2089

01-27-2019, 08:02 AM

nopenopenope

Phlip

01-27-2019, 08:07 AM

I'm not sure the land grab hurts him.

Trump's supporters have shown a desire to have him/his people come up with policies that hurt his voters most and they come back with even more affection for him.

Not that it will hurt him with his fans, but it will drag out so long legally that it will eventually fade and go away before it becomes a real thing.
Granted, the attempts to do so will be STUPID expensive and further argument against the cost vs effectiveness of it, but they will also ignore that part too.

RalliartRsX

01-27-2019, 08:20 AM

I'm not sure the land grab hurts him.

Trump's supporters have shown a desire to have him/his people come up with policies that hurt his voters most and they come back with even more affection for him.

As mentioned by Phlip, its not the action but the execution. Good luck.

In addition, is he declares of state of Emergency and attempts to grab land, the eminent domain laws still very much apply.

Phlip

01-27-2019, 10:29 AM

As mentioned by Phlip, its not the action but the execution. Good luck.

In addition, is he declares of state of Emergency and attempts to grab land, the eminent domain laws still very much apply.

He will still be met with a lengthy enough legal fight to the emergency declaration that it will drag on WELL into the 2020 election cycle and beyond.

Corbic

01-28-2019, 08:41 PM

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190129/b079ace9c69c4311f3cd75e4bf50c27a.jpg

Saw this, laughed, then got somber as I realized it's true and just how sad that is....

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Phlip

01-29-2019, 04:55 AM

I'm glad all those Benghazi investigations turned up some big-name indictments, charges and convictions.
May those sons of bitches rot in prison, then hell

Corbic

01-29-2019, 05:04 AM

I'm glad all those Benghazi investigations turned up some big-name indictments, charges and convictions.
May those sons of bitches rot in prison, then hellI'm glad the federal legal system has not been hijacked by politics and partisans.

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RalliartRsX

01-29-2019, 05:47 AM

gbaby2089

01-29-2019, 07:14 AM

nopenopenope

Corbic

01-29-2019, 08:03 AM

LOL @ Corbic.

Mexico pay for the way yet?
Where's your proof Obama started a recession?
Anyone from the dnc campaign charged?

I'm just going to keep repeating all the falsehoods you posted until you actually post some proof......

What false hoods?

It's a waste of time to even try and have any type of discussion with you.

You obsessed with a single stupid campaign sound bite about "Mexico will pay for the wall". That's been answered 15 times in this thread and all across the internet and media.

Obama started the recession? Uh, how do you not realize that? I'm sure you also think FDR is what saved us from the Great Depression... and is not what prolonged it. :picardfp:

Try Google - first result.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/06/02/economically-could-obama-be-americas-worst-president/

Remember, a mortgage crisis, a stock market crash, an automaker going bankrupt, those are not "recessions". Those are events, and how you respond to them determine if you are in a recession or depression.

As for DNC being charged... that's like saying "Hitler did nothing wrong, he was never convicted of the holocaust!"

Corbic

01-29-2019, 08:24 AM

THE FBI HAS A LIBERAL BIAS!!!!!1111!!!

That's a joke, right? 3 minutes on the google will review endless instances, text messages from agents, and stories about it. You seriously doubt an agency that was created by politics and whose leadership is chosen by politics isn't political? Have you ever fucking heard of J. Edgar Hoover?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/06/15/justice-department-inspector-general-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-email-fbi-column/704815002/

Maybe you need motion pictures and sounds -

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lolwat!?!? These supplements Alex Jones is hawking are poisoning these guys' brains.

I've never watched InfoWars or Alex Jones, but I will say this. The man is known for the "Chemicals in the Water that turn the Frogs Gay" meme. Except...

https://media1.tenor.com/images/e5fe1e3b040779761983fa43152e2e5c/tenor.gif?itemid=9789067

Ever hear of Flint Michigan? The Democrat controlled suburb of Detroit? You know, the guys that didn't want to pay for Detroit Metro water system, so they reopened the ancient lead lined pipes laid in the early 1900's and started sending contaminated water to their impoverished minority community. The city government, EPA and other health agencies all then lied about the water all the while it LITERALLY WAS MAKING PEOPLE RETARDED AND KILLING THEM.

https://rac.org/sites/default/files/flintwater.jpg

Flint isn't even remotely an isolated incident

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/09/us/regulatory-gaps-leave-unsafe-lead-levels-in-water-nationwide.html (OMFG NYT!?!)
.
Alex also howled about the liberal bias in the media and tech industry and how they are trying to censor people... only then to be fucking BANNED from all forms of social media held by a half dozen different companies... :picardfp:

Ya, real out there conspiracy theory.

I'm glad you can acknowledge that the supreme court has been tainted into a partisan mockery.

When have I said otherwise? Making ASSumptions? I think the entire court system is insane, biased and legislating law from the bench which goes far beyond their mandate.

Once again, so you have some pictures and sounds to help you pay attention -

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Mind you, I'm not posting his videos because that's how I get my opinions or information, but because of bias confirmation - I already agree with what he is saying and he says it in a comical way that will hopefully hold yours and others attention.

I just want to know why Obama tanked the stock market during Trump's second year in office. And forced him to do those protectionist tariffs, I thought Trump was a capitalist.

I've honestly not followed the specific reasons for the recent stock tanks, however, it is recovering and the economy remains strong. This goes back to my other point - a bank collapsing, Auto Manufacturer going bankrupt, a tumble in stock prices - these are not "Recessions", these are economic events. I don't see Trump saying he needs to issue $850 Billion of debt to "stimulate the economy" by giving all sorts of big government, not profit driving organizations money.

As for tariffs, unfortunately what recourse do you have when dealing with competitors that manipulate currency, prop up industry, keep their labor forces in a state of perpetual slavery, use their intelligence agencies to collaborate with private industry to steal IP... so forth.

Once again - cool video for you.

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gbaby2089

01-29-2019, 08:37 AM

nopenopenope

SimpleS14

01-29-2019, 08:50 AM

This goes back to my other point - a bank collapsing, a automatic going bankrupt, a tumble in stock prices - these are not "Recessions", these are economic events.

A recession is typically driven by economic events, but the impact is usually not as significant as what happened during "The Great Recession". That recession was the residual effects of economic events you mentioned along with others (i.e. subprime mortgage crisis) that predate the first Obama inauguration in 2009.

Corbic

01-29-2019, 08:54 AM

My goodness you have meme brain. I'm so sorry, I didn't know.What, not going to cry about how Mexico isn't going to pay for the wall?

And you want "meme brain", try this -

"typical liberal, I present an argument and instead of addressing, you just deflect and change the subject"

You've done this multiple times now.

Hell, were even in agreement about thr court system but you still refuse to agree...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190129/680ae9ca52349d3d18a50d7677af05f6.jpg

Maybe you need the water tested in California... Why else would Google silence AJ?

Corbic

01-29-2019, 08:58 AM

A recession is typically driven by economic events, but the impact is usually not as significant as what happened during "The Great Recession". That recession was the residual effects of economic events you mentioned along with others (i.e. subprime mortgage crisis) that predate the first Obama inauguration in 2009.It's also maintained by economic policies of a Government. Much of the causes of thr 2008elt down are directly linked to actual Federal Government policies and actions prior too. The Obama administration then ensures that what should have been a 2 year correction became 6-8 years of misery.

There was a significant mortgage/housing bumble around 1990, but that quickly recovered and everyone made money for damn year 20 years.

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Corbic

02-01-2019, 07:18 AM

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47066311

US Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) has announced their largest ever seizure of the synthetic opioid drug fentanyl.

Agents on Saturday found 254 lbs (114kg) of fentanyl, as well as 395 lbs of methamphetamine in a lorry at an official US-Mexico border crossing

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190201/3ae20d5585edc78060334a6f67406b47.jpg

RalliartRsX

02-01-2019, 09:25 AM

Corbic, do you know what a Point of Entry is?

Because if you do, you would realize your article in no way or shape is an argument for a wall, but proper border security......something trump has vetoed or voted against in the past....

ALSO, GOP VOTED AGAINST THE WALL TWICE IN JUST AS MANY MONTHS

MEXICO PAY FOR THE WALL YET??

spooled240

02-01-2019, 09:32 AM

Fair statement. However, if you read a little further, Mexico gets alot of their supply from China and weight isn't necessarily the only issue to focus on

However, that negates the point I am trying to bring across; they are not smuggling across open, sprawling parts of the SWB through "illegal" entry. That has been the entire argument for a wall; to protect these supposed "illegal" smuggling zones that are currently not patrolled or "protected". Actually, there are really no stats to support such an argument come to think of it. That is contrary to what the DEA report surmises and has made mention to on multiple occasions throughout the report. They are smuggling through LEGAL Points of Entry. That has been the argument since day one.

Not saying it doesn't happen through parts of border not patrolled.

You did say this earlier which is where the confusion stemmed from:

Questions; what is the number one method for drugs entering the country and people entering "illegally"?? Hint; its NOT through the southern border.

And parts of your response are contradictory..are they smuggling across open, unpatrolled parts of the border or are they not? lol

I'll tell you now that they are. There's been footage and photos of it. It might not be as much as how much gets seized at the checkpoints, but the problem is we really just don't know how much gets across because there are miles of open border without checkpoints.

...and this all just focuses on one issue our open SWB. There's also the smuggling of undocumented people, which is perhaps even the bigger issue here. There were already confirmed cases of people on the terrorist watch list entering the US illegally through the SWB.

Can we all agree that there is a problem with the SWB in terms of illegal immigration and drug smuggling and where we differ is the method to remedy this?

Corbic

02-01-2019, 10:47 AM

Corbic, do you know what a Point of Entry is?

Yup. So this goes a giant your statement earlier that all the drugs are coming in by plane or ship and from direct route via China.

Also, the only reason this was caught in the first place was because it went through a secure boarder point - not an unsecured open track of desert.

So just imagine all the stuff we are not catching.

Because if you do, you would realize your article in no way or shape is an argument for a wall, but proper border security......something trump has vetoed or voted against in the past....

ALSO, GOP VOTED AGAINST THE WALL TWICE IN JUST AS MANY MONTHS

MEXICO PAY FOR THE WALL YET??

1 - it's the BBC
2 - since when did I care or support what the heard of RINOs are doing?
A - are you trying to tell me that whether or not a politician supports something is a valid argument?

3 - still don't care about Mexico paying for shit. Never once did I care. I'd support a $10/wk tax on eveery person in this country to build the damn wall and deport every illegal alien.

The wall will literally pay for itself based on even the most conservative estimates.

The Democrats and Liberals only apose it because they want uneducated socialist voters and to maintain a lower economic class of unskilled under paid employees. PERIOD.

spooled240

02-01-2019, 11:48 AM

The funny part is that the people that are saying illegal trafficking is NOT happening through unprotected parts of the border are also saying that people have climbed over/drove through/tunneled under the existing border walls so a wall would be ineffective. So which one is it? Are people coming through the SWB other than the points of entry or are they not? Do we not need a wall because it's unnecessary or ineffective?

Not through a point of entry:
https://media2.s-nbcnews.com/i/MSNBC/Components/Video/__NEW/f_nbcsmuggler_140806.jpg (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj0xbOPmJvgAhXliFQKHQB5APYQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fnews%2Finvesti gations%2Fhidden-cameras-capture-smugglers-crossing-border-no-man-s-land-n175696&psig=AOvVaw24XJRD2xaLRytA_LuOzh3a&ust=1549132728667946)

Not through a point of entry: (and look, a wall)
https://static.businessinsider.com/image/5092c06beab8eaae7f000017-750.jpg (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwia8NahlZvgAhWF6FQKHexsDfkQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Fsomebo dy-tried-to-drive-over-the-us-mexico-border-fence-2012-11&psig=AOvVaw1fj2I6uiGB8Emwsx6RrBpo&ust=1549132171430295)

Not through a point of entry: (another wall)
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/36kXjJZ0mMU/hqdefault.jpg (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiFv9azmJvgAhVkzFQKHRNACQQQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D36 kXjJZ0mMU&psig=AOvVaw24XJRD2xaLRytA_LuOzh3a&ust=1549132728667946)

Waiting for people to switch this back to a "walls don't work because people can climb over them" argument.

VNG704

02-03-2019, 03:38 AM

Corbic

02-03-2019, 09:25 AM

What are you even on about? Who said trafficking isn't happening on the border? Never heard that said. Are you saying a wall is effective because you're posting pics that it isn't. Not sure of your point.Pretty sure gabby and ralli both stated multiple times that drug traffic in across open boarders was insignificant.

All you anti wall folk.... If I had a magic wand that one shake would mean all the illegal aliens would get deported and no more could come in.... Would you support that?

RalliartRsX

02-03-2019, 10:38 AM

Ok, so I am going to ask this question one last time, as both Spool and Corbic have decided that completely ignore the question

What is the difference between Border Security and the Wall??

Now let me explain why I have asked this question tirelessly

Building a wall, is just that; a wall. True border security is a much more complex issue that simply deterrence. Deterrence will address 5% of the issue in regards to border security and here are the main reasons why

- The wall needs to be maintained. Simply building a wall with no proper maintenance plan or protocol in place, means the wall, physically will deteriorate in short order. trump's wall plan has no such provision
- Actual border patrol in areas where the wall is built. As Corbic and spool so kindely pointed out, walls can easily be breached. What is the use of a wall, if folks can either scale, tunnel underneath or just walk right through due using the incorrect material (as I have demonstrated above) for the environment in which the wall will be built??
- Technology plan. trump has no idea what the wall will be built out of. No idea on structural engineering. No plan on environmental impacts
- Environmental roadblocks. You literally cannot build a wall across a river (which MUCH of the SWB is permeated by) without an immense amount of engineering involved

That is only a fraction of the issues that will crop up and issues which fall under BORDER SECURITY which trump himself has jettisoned time and time again.

The wall plan essentially has a single line which states "Build a wall" With no engineering considerations in mind.........and this is very evident by the hollow wall steel with whatever material inside being sawed right through.

And again, I will ask, (specificallly Spool and Corbic) , WHATS IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BORDER SECURITY AND THE WALL?? If one really cared about border security, then last I checked, it was funded by some 20 billion as that is a separate budget item and was already approved by Congress (and has been for the past 20 years in varying amounts) THAT TRUMP VETOED!! If Spool or Corbic truely cared about border security, they would be touting proper facets to include in the BORDER SECURITY BUDGET.

And I am going to continuoulys harp on the fact that THE GOP VOTED AGAINST A BORDER WALL TWICE IN AS MANY MONTHS!

Also, I would like to point out, Bush signed the Fence Act in 2006, which the Obama Admin took up and ultimately failed as building a wall wasnt that simple..........but FFaux News won't report on such facts

Nearly 700 Miles of Fencing at the US-Mexico Border Already Exist
(https://abcnews.go.com/US/700-miles-fencing-us-mexico-border-exist/story?id=45045054)

But some 700 miles of border fencing had already been completed along the country's nearly 2,000-mile border with Mexico, much of it during Barack Obama's presidency, as part of the Secure Fence Act of 2006, which was signed by George W. Bush.

Building a new 1,000-mile wall could cost as much as $40 billion, according to an analysis published in the MIT Technology Review. Maintenance of barriers along the southern border will also be costly. The Congressional Research Service estimated in 2009 that double layer fencing would cost an estimated $16.4 million to $70 million per mile over 25 years, depending on the amount of damage sustained.

RalliartRsX

02-03-2019, 10:46 AM

Either way, I am done on the wall discussion. I have dropped many supporting documents, cited proper sources and substantiated my stance. Even to the point of reading through an unclassified DEA document which really lay out the true facts of drugs smuggled into the country. All supporters of the wall have done is literally nit pick basic and very few elements and provided opinions and random pictures.

While every is sitting here arguing about a literally useless wall, Russia just withdrew from the Nuclear treaty

THAT is what people should be up in arms about. Or the seperation of children at the border the trump admin partakes in. Or the ridiculous tax cuts for the rich......which has driven up the deficit the at the highest rate in the last several decades.......NO passing a budget while holding the presidency, and both the house and the senate and led us to the longest shutdown in history...........and with no WALL budget. The list is endless........

Russia and NK have slowly been building up their Nuclear arsenal while the trump admin have basically handed them the keys to the castle.

Unreal........

spooled240

02-03-2019, 11:24 AM

We answered your question before. A wall provides border security much like how your front door with a lock provides security for you house. Its a very simple concept lol.

You cited sources which were either biased sources that cherry-picked data or self-contradictory to your claims. I simply am just not convinced that having sections of our border wide open has no detrimental impact to our country.

Anyways, I'm burned out on this wall issue. Let's just go back to arguing about our cheap Nissans lol.

gbaby2089

02-03-2019, 01:08 PM

nopenopenope

Corbic

02-03-2019, 09:54 PM

While every is sitting here arguing about a literally useless wall, Russia just withdrew from the Nuclear treaty

Russia and NK have slowly been building up their Nuclear arsenal while the trump admin have basically handed them the keys to the castle.

Unreal........

Didn't Hilary and Obama smash that reset button and Hillary was overseeing the deal to sign over US Uranium mines to Russia?

#inconvienttruth

Corbic

02-03-2019, 09:55 PM

Front doors with locks don't provide much security. Locks are easily picked. Doors are easily kicked down. Windows are easily broken. Etc.

It is all about the illusion of safety.

Just like this idiotic wall. Republicans are terrified of the world outside their front door so they want a wall on the border, though they'll still be terrified of the nearest major city.So you don't ever lock your car, your phone or your apartment? Just throw your hands up and not give a shit?

Corbic

02-03-2019, 10:00 PM

Ok, so I am going to ask this question one last time, as both Spool and Corbic have decided that completely ignore the question

Answer the question - magic wand to deport and block all illegal aliens... Is it okay to use it?

All I see you and Gabby doing is crying and throwing up a million excuses to do nothing.

Oh no, Russia has nuked, can't build a wall.

Oh no, someone smuggled drugs in via ship at that NY port... Wall no good?!

Oh no, someone will have to maitian the wall... Let not do that!

See! Keeping illegals out is just to much work! We need reform! Just let them fill out a request form online and we'll mail them a SSN and citizenship papers free of charge! We'll even give them a free bus ride into thr country.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190204/c31e3e050e0a5ecc76121bf0644ab85f.jpg

gbaby2089

02-04-2019, 07:18 AM

nopenopenope

RalliartRsX

02-04-2019, 08:00 AM

So you don't ever lock your car, your phone or your apartment? Just throw your hands up and not give a shit?

That's 100% straw man argument......

Small time burglar is not even remotely the same as someone fleeing from persecution or drug lords taking your kids to use as mules, murdering the family and sex trafficking women.

I've seen that argument time and time again, and it is invalid to the discussion at hand.

Thanks for playing......

Corbic

02-04-2019, 11:04 AM

So if armed guys guarding the border is good enough for recowardicans, does that mean we can get rid of 2A? Just build walls around each of your houses to help with your fear of the world?Only if I can then have an armed Escort....

Corbic

02-04-2019, 11:11 AM

That's 100% straw man argument......

Small time burglar is not even remotely the same as someone fleeing from persecution or drug lords taking your kids to use as mules, murdering the family and sex trafficking women.

I've seen that argument time and time again, and it is invalid to the discussion at hand.

Thanks for playing......No, claiming that every illegal alien ever is a refugee fleeing certain death is a straw man argument.

First - even if true, so what. We have Zero obligation to allow them admittance and take care of them. There are millions of actual Americans living in poverty, suffering from crime and domestic violence. Take care of. Our own first.

Second - so was Trump wrong for calling Hati a shit hole? Because you are litterally making thr argument that Latin America is a steaming pile of shit and its people deserve refugee status...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190204/90aee2b704be213cbe9d6b99c55acf6b.jpg

One of the wealthiest cities in America, so bleeding heart they welcome illegals with open arms, but can't even figure out how to deal with homeless shiting on sidewalks and dumping dirty needles in parks.

So I'm assuming you are against my magic wand then?

spooled240

02-04-2019, 11:34 AM

No, claiming that every illegal alien ever is a refugee fleeing certain death is a straw man argument.

First - even if true, so what. We have Zero obligation to allow them admittance and take care of them. There are millions of actual Americans living in poverty, suffering from crime and domestic violence. Take care of. Our own first.

or, I don't know..maybe we should take care of the thousands of homeless veterans first? You'd think those that served this country would have some priority if we are going to start a nationwide charity.

Just build walls around each of your houses to help with your fear of the world?

Yes, there's a wall around my apartment complex. There's also a wall around my workplace to prevent unauthorized personnel on site. We are all deathly afraid of the world lol

...

I don't suppose you guys support the new proposed abortion bill? The same people talking about being empathetic towards people on the other side of a border are ok with killing people on the other side of a womb.

Corbic

02-04-2019, 02:22 PM

gbaby2089

02-04-2019, 02:46 PM

nopenopenope

Corbic

02-04-2019, 03:01 PM

No.

I like some of 21 Savage's music.

I like contributions to this country that other people who have come to this country illegally have made.

They don't have a problem with me, I don't have a problem with them.

So then how can I take a single argument you've made against the wall seriously?

That's like asking a bank robber if banks should have security cameras and locking vaults.

Latin America is never going to fix their own damn problems if they don't step up and actually try. Their is absolutely no reason Mexico should be poor.

If Mexico was run by the US it would be Arizona and Texas.

Should we invade Mexico so we can fix them and at least reap the rewards?

RalliartRsX

02-04-2019, 03:34 PM

Back to my very simple question.

If we could wave a magic wand and poof - all illegal aliens, of all types and origins, sent home and poof, nermver again will someone enter illegally or over stay a visa.

Do you support the magic wand, if not, why?

No, because simply; This country was built by and off the backs of immigrants. This country literally WOULD NOT exist without immigrants. Your $4-$5 bags of apples would be close to $8-$9 without immigrants farming your land.........and trump wouldn't have any of his past 3 wives if it wasn't for immigrants.........and trump wouldn't have workers for his golf course if it wasn't for immigrants........

And most of all, if it wasn't for immigrants, we wouldn't have your dear lord in savior.........trump to be president if it wasn't for trump's grandfather immigrating to the US........

https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-ancestry-forefathers-kallstadt/

But hey, who cares about facts or history, right??

He (trump's grandfather) entered the U.S. through official channels, but he had left Bavaria illegally. “Both he and his mother must have known that he would not have been granted official permission to leave the country unless he had paid a bail guaranteeing that he would later return to do his mandatory military service,” said Roland Paul, the recently-retired director of the Institute for Palatinate Regional History and Folklife Studies in the city of Kaiserslautern.

Life grandfather like....grandson?? lol

We answered your question before. A wall provides border security much like how your front door with a lock provides security for you house. Its a very simple concept lol.

You cited sources which were either biased sources that cherry-picked data or self-contradictory to your claims. I simply am just not convinced that having sections of our border wide open has no detrimental impact to our country.

Anyways, I'm burned out on this wall issue. Let's just go back to arguing about our cheap Nissans lol.

You have not answered the question at all apart from random images.

Also, if you consider the DEA and the Fence Act "biased sources", then you have a very basic or lack of understanding what are FACTUAL sources of information.......

Good luck to you both.......

Corbic

02-04-2019, 05:25 PM

No, because simply; This country was built by and off the backs of immigrants. This country literally WOULD NOT exist without immigrants. Your $4-$5 bags of apples would be close to $8-$9 without immigrants farming your land.........and trump wouldn't have any of his past 3 wives if it wasn't for immigrants.........and trump wouldn't have workers for his golf course if it wasn't for immigrants..........

Key Word "Immigrant", not "Illegal Immigrants".

With that, not once have I, Trump or anyone advocated against legal Immigration. We have over 1.5 million legal immigrants entering this country legally every year.

Legally.

Also, the idiotic notion of "we'll we're all immigrants" is just that, idiotic.

The vast magority of the original colonizers came when this place was just a 3rd world shit hole.

They left what was essentially the first world to come here and build something without the restrictions of theocratic monarchies and autocratic dictatorships. They took what was nothing and made it into thr greatest country this world has ever seen.

Those coming here did not come here because it was easier, but because they wanted to be part of something great. They changed their last names and learned an entire new language to become citizens of a new country.

Todau we have unchecked hoards of illeterate 3rd world migrants wanting to move in and live in somewgat marginally better form of poverty. They don't want to assimilate.

If these migrants are so awesome, then why are they not transforming thier own nations into 1st world nations?

Mexico is rich in natural resources, oil, agriculture, huge coast lines, no hostile enemies, situated next to a weathy trading pattern.

Why is Canada, a frozen shit hole, able to do so well but Mexico can't?

Why is Australia so much better off then Africa despite having fewer resources, being further from trading partners and the same style climate?

Why, with all that oil and agriculture and mineral deposits is Venezuela broke and starving to death?

Why is Florida so fucking awesome and Cuba so fucking lame?

Hmmmm?

You'll never better your self if your parents always do your homework for you....

gbaby2089

02-04-2019, 05:53 PM

nopenopenope

Corbic

02-04-2019, 08:34 PM

I give up.

I feel bad for you man.

I sincerely hope someday you can stop being terrified of everyone who doesn't look just like you.

You view immigrants as a threat yet you're comfortable with ending a nuclear arms treaty.

You view a wall as something that protects you yet you're okay with speeding headfirst towards a climate crisis.

I pity you.Basiless assumptions.

"climate change" isn't going to be stopped by giving out exhaust tickets or freaking out that someone has a Cobb access port.

You want to stop Climate change? Then why do you want to bring hundreds of millions of people from the 3rd world to the 1st world. Living in the first world astronomically increases the per person carbon foot print. You should be advocating to force these people to stay put and begin mass sterilization plans and "one child" policies to bring the world population down.

As for your hysterics about fear and xenophobia, sounds like you've never left California and clearly don't know me.

I have two froriegn adopted siblings who are not my race and my wife is a legal immigrant. I grew up in Europe and have been there over a dozen times in just the last few years. I've also traveled to Africa, the Middle East and have been to central Asia/Europe and Eastern Europe plenty.

I've even been to Canuckastan and live in thr Communist Republic of Kalifornia as a child.

If you continue to bring millions of people into the United States, who don't want to assymulate, who want to bring with them the socliaist idealogoy and government policies they are fleeing and instatue them there... If you continue to run propaganda against the wealthy, free thinkers and industrialists... Well then we will cease to be the United States and end up as "North Mexico" or "The People's Republic of American".

RalliartRsX

02-04-2019, 09:41 PM

Corbic

02-04-2019, 10:41 PM

Corbic, DHS states Asylum seekers and refugees ARE legal forms of immigration......

If you prefer to make up your own definition to mold it to whatever you are trying to state, I advise you take up the issue with DHS.....Yup and Mexicans don't count as refugees or asylum seekers. If you want to throw out these rules, then you should prolly follow them.

There is an entire process to apply for refugee status or asylum. This process doesn't involve illegal entry and getting a job with a stolen social security card or over staying a tourist/student visa.

The other problem with asylum/refugees is.. When the fuck do they go back?

Where did all thr Russian Refugees go during WW2? Where did all the Korean Refugees go during their Civil War? Where did the American Refugees go in 1861?

Also, since Cheeto Hitler took over, shouldn't everyone be fleeing America seeking asylum in Canada, California and Mexico?

Seems like California's are in mass fleeing their own shit hole state for states that where once solid red or at list very libertarian. Hmmmm

RalliartRsX

02-05-2019, 02:19 AM

Yup and Mexicans don't count as refugees or asylum seekers. If you want to throw out these rules, then you should prolly follow them.

Can you please point out in the law or directive specifically from DHS where it explicitly states this??

Corbic

02-05-2019, 05:26 AM

Can you please point out in the law or directive specifically from DHS where it explicitly states this??DHS does not control immigration. USCIS does.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/refugees/refugee-eligibility-determination

RalliartRsX

02-05-2019, 06:06 AM

Corbic

02-05-2019, 06:39 AM

OK. And there is no where it states explicitly that immigrants for Mexico will not be granted refugee status according to that link from USCIS. As I stated "law or directive from DHS" if you took the time to read my post.....

Again, Corbic I'll ask again as you seem jell bent on refusing to answer questions; can you explicitly call out where in the law it states immigrants from Mexico will be denied refugee or asylum status?? You have yet to proof this statement you have made.....Please show me where it states they are?

Even so, that has NOTHING to do with illegal immigration. If they are a qualifying refugee or asylum seeker, they can follow the specifically spelled out application process on the link I provided and gain entry legally.

Your refugee argument is a distractuonary strawman argument.

RalliartRsX

02-05-2019, 07:27 AM

Corbic

02-05-2019, 08:30 AM

OK so what you're saying is, against your initial statement, there is no where in the law where it states Mexican immigrants are specifically not allowed refugee or asylum status. This is 100% contradictory to your opinion of the law.....good.

Thanks for (finally) answering the question and clearing that up
CheersAre you Autistic?..

Your question and statements are irrelevant and completely miss the point.

There are no "laws" that have expressly written which country or ethnic group qualifies for refugee or asylum status.

That said, Mexico doesn't fucking qualify.

Don't belive me, Google it.

I find this amusing however:

You have Trump calling Haiti and Africa a shithole and the left melts down and says that's not true. The left then cries that those people deserve asylum because they live in shithole countries...

The Left wants Communism/Socialism and cries the US is an awful racist bigoted patriarchal Nazi state.... But that we should let in thr 10's of millions of immigrants from communist/socialist nations....

Corbic

02-05-2019, 08:37 AM

So just to revise the major bullet points.

Gabby and Ralli are against the Wall.

They argue the wall is a waste of money and won't impact illegal immigration nor drug trafficking.

They also both admit to support open boarders and unrestricted immigration.

Gabby feels the wall is a waste because he is more concerned about global warming, despite the fact that increasing living standards of hundreds of millions of people will exponentially increase the speed of global warming.

Gabby thinks we need guns to protect ourselves from illegal aliens.

Ralli considers Mexico a 3rd world shithole on par with war torn Afghanistan, Syria or Sudan.

Neither want to discuss how to make Mexico a better country and lift its self up out of poverty, corruption and stagnation. #MakeMexicoGreatAlready #MMGA

Am I missing anything?

RalliartRsX

02-05-2019, 09:02 AM

Dude

Holy crap. Man, have a good day dude. I would hate to be the one responsible for your brain aneurysm

gbaby2089

02-05-2019, 10:02 AM

nopenopenope

Corbic

02-05-2019, 10:27 AM

Holy shit you're an idiot.

Yes, the guy who hates guns & wants them all melted wants more guns.

I sincerely worry about every person you come into contact with at any point in the future, as well those you've previously interacted with.Did you not say if we built the wall and had no Illegal Immigration we would not need guys anymore?

I love the liberal logic though...

+300 million guns in this country and if one is used in a crime "omfg melt them all down!!!".

Show any crime statistic corrolating to social, economic, or ethnic class and "Holy fuck how dare you generalize!!"

gbaby2089

02-05-2019, 11:09 AM

nopenopenope

Corbic

02-05-2019, 11:26 AM

The wall isn't going to stop anyone.

Everyone has already stated this.

"everyone" that supports open boarders....

QUOTE=gbaby2089;6319737]You say the borders are wide open, I remind you of the tons of government employees & crazy racists roaming the border with guns to 'protect the borders' (their claim, not mine).

You claim those are not enough.[/QUOTE]

Then how did we get 20 - 30 million illegal aliens in this country?

Also, nice calling ICE and the FBP "crazy racists". When in doubt scream racist, Facist, sexist, etc...

Dude you're not smart enough to grasp logic of any kind. Just stop while you're behind, the gap isn't going to close.

Grasping at what? You gave up any ground to make an argument with when you admitted you are for open boarders.

You are now parroting thr typic NPC Liberal Rethoric.

Racists!
Climate Change!
Nazis!!!
Crazy Gun Owners!!!
Trump Is Literally Hitler!!

Come on, just complete the circle with some howels of abortion and white privlage. You like getting off on that shit in New York and Virginia?

Is this you?

nodRd-iGjj4

Cause I sure feel like Tucker talking to you about this.

spooled240

02-05-2019, 11:35 AM

No.

I like some of 21 Savage's music.

I like contributions to this country that other people who have come to this country illegally have made.

They don't have a problem with me, I don't have a problem with them.

I like some of 21 Savage's music also.

But since we are looking at illegal immigration through a microscope, let's look at some of the negative contributions to this country that other people who have come to this country illegally have made. We can start with these:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/12/27/california-search-illegal-immigrant-killed-police-officer/2426883002/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/08/21/mollie-tibbett-iowa-students-body-found-media-reports-say/1050186002/

You have not answered the question at all apart from random images.

Also, if you consider the DEA and the Fence Act "biased sources", then you have a very basic or lack of understanding what are FACTUAL sources of information.......

Good luck to you both.......

The images were used to disprove your claims that no one and no drugs ever cross through unprotected parts of the border.

I'll answer your question again: Walls are a form of border security used by multiple countries around the world since the beginning of history. If they weren't used for border security then why are they built on and along borders? For aesthetics? lol

And those sources were legitimate, however they also disproved your claim that drugs don't enter through the SWB which is where you backpedalled and said some of the drugs were originally from China entering through the SWB.

.

Remember the Honduran caravan? If they were seeking asylum, why did they insist on throwing rocks over the border when they were met with BP agents and a WALL? That's not the universal sign of I NEED HELP!

gbaby2089

02-05-2019, 12:00 PM

nopenopenope

Corbic

02-05-2019, 12:11 PM

Corbic

02-05-2019, 12:17 PM

Coooooool anecdotal evidence. Want me to just post the links that show illegal immigrants commit less crime than the general population? You know, empirical data trumps anecdotal links. Should I post links to the huge number of serial killers, rapists, terrorists, school shooters that were born here, to parents that were born here too?

Turn off the fox news bro.Also, this goes back to my statement about fire arms.

You want to ban black rifles of death, which in 2016 amounted to 374 murders.

Knives killed 1,604 people, 4 times as many.

Legalize SBRs bitch.

And if I want to go all rhetoric about it, almost 700,000 kids each year are killed by forceps and vaccums... So where's your human tradgity now?

spooled240

02-05-2019, 01:02 PM

Coooooool anecdotal evidence. Want me to just post the links that show illegal immigrants commit less crime than the general population? You know, empirical data trumps anecdotal links. Should I post links to the huge number of serial killers, rapists, terrorists, school shooters that were born here, to parents that were born here too?

Turn off the fox news bro.

It's not any more anecdotal than your 21 Savage reference. Turn off the MTV bro.

Go ahead and macro it out if you'd like. I'm still waiting for a good enough reason to completely ignore immigration policies.

gbaby2089

02-05-2019, 01:16 PM

nopenopenope

Corbic

02-05-2019, 01:32 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/two-charts-demolish-the-notion-that-immigrants-here-illegally-commit-more-crime/?utm_term=.3fca66c36aea

21 Savage was a joke but a fair starting point. Immigrants contribute positively to the lives of us all, whether seen or unseen.

I'm not looking to completely ignore immigration policies, I understand for much of the country that's an automatic no bc they hate immigrants, but not building a wall & abolishing ICE would hurt no one other than ICE employees and the companies Trump has probably already promised contracts to.Wow.

Just.

Wow.

Next up, let's abolish airport security and local police.

Corbic

02-05-2019, 01:39 PM

It's not any more anecdotal than your 21 Savage reference. Turn off the MTV bro.

Go ahead and macro it out if you'd like. I'm still waiting for a good enough reason to completely ignore immigration policies.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190205/bd1462861e0c4f840439f86421da2403.jpg

spooled240

02-05-2019, 02:42 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/two-charts-demolish-the-notion-that-immigrants-here-illegally-commit-more-crime/?utm_term=.3fca66c36aea

21 Savage was a joke but a fair starting point. Immigrants contribute positively to the lives of us all, whether seen or unseen.

I'm not looking to completely ignore immigration policies, I understand for much of the country that's an automatic no bc they hate immigrants, but not building a wall & abolishing ICE would hurt no one other than ICE employees and the companies Trump has probably already promised contracts to.

WUT. Not everyone who believes our borders should be protected hates immigrants. I mentioned this before, but my mother and my fiancée's parents are immigrants. I don't hate them. They all came in legally, they are Americans and I have zero problems with that.

gbaby2089

02-05-2019, 06:28 PM

nopenopenope

spooled240

02-05-2019, 08:16 PM

The colonists didn't come here legally.

How would they have come here legally? I'm curious.

Corbic

02-05-2019, 08:33 PM

The colonists didn't come here legally.

America is a country of illegal immigrants.

1. Please post a link to the Pre-Columbus immigration laws of North America

2. Do you think thr Mohicans had an argument about "oh let them it, they are just fleeing religious persecution, many contribute a lot."

3. Europens didn't flee 3rd world nations to. More developed ones in hopes of receiving welfair. They left the devoped world for an undeveloped one and built a better nation.

4. Even 2nd and 3rd Wave American immigrants continued that trend pushing out west of the east coast.

5. Why do you keep avoiding #MMGA #MakeMexicoGreatAlready? Doesn't Mexico deserve to be a great nation?

Corbic

02-05-2019, 08:39 PM

How would they have come here legally? I'm curious.He is unable to critically think that far ahead. Common sociliast symptom.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190206/d13cef5d1d9c21ea00011ef5933f7eff.jpg

RalliartRsX

02-05-2019, 09:05 PM

Corbic fun fact
- Melania violated immigration law by obtaining a h1b visa and engaging in work....which is one article as mentioned as being considered illegal immigration
- the workers for trumps golf course are illegal immigrants
- trumps grandfather deported from his own country under illegal pretense

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/donald-trumps-demand-for-a-border-wall-shut-down-the-government-at-the-same-time-his-company-was-firing-undocumented-workers/2019/01/26/8cf75d66-20c5-11e9-8e21-59a09ff1e2a1_story.html&ved=2ahUKEwiJjabPnKbgAhUohOAKHTXQAy0QFjAJegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw3HW9XdGSS-X4LLKQB_iZh5&ampcf=1

So yeah.

dbeiler

02-06-2019, 06:22 PM

Coooooool anecdotal evidence. Want me to just post the links that show illegal immigrants commit less crime than the general population?

I don't understand how this could ever be used as a logical point in an argument. A person residing in this country illegally is committing a crime every second of their time in it. You LITERALLY CANNOT commit crime at a higher rate.

Corbic

02-06-2019, 07:10 PM

Corbic

02-06-2019, 07:11 PM

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gbaby2089

02-06-2019, 07:17 PM

nopenopenope

Corbic

02-06-2019, 07:23 PM

Derp Derp Derp.

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Corbic

02-06-2019, 07:24 PM

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Corbic

02-06-2019, 07:39 PM

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Corbic

02-06-2019, 08:17 PM

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Corbic

02-06-2019, 08:24 PM

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"America Will Never Be A Socialist Country"

gbaby2089

02-06-2019, 08:49 PM

nopenopenope

Corbic

02-06-2019, 08:52 PM

Holy shit you have meme brain.

I sincerely feel bad for you & any family you may have.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190207/60a165e53ca259ef99b43501b918f295.jpg

R3b

02-07-2019, 02:25 PM

Whats with these shitpost of pictures?? This is something i'd expect off my facebook by some boomer with some random gripe with millennials. Look I get the whole "left cant meme" but this is just hilarious low quality.

Lets also ignore the fact you do exactly as what you describe others as doing and any sort of civil reply is backed with "WRONG WRONG WRONG" and you take everything so literal when it isnt that deep.

Also how many times you arguments are backed by appeal of ignorance (saying your position is true because it hasnt been proven other wise) and arguing with half truths and hasty generalization.

I don't understand how this could ever be used as a logical point in an argument. A person residing in this country illegally is committing a crime every second of their time in it. You LITERALLY CANNOT commit crime at a higher rate.

Jesus christ yall act like these people are walking into your homes and stealing everything when in reality dont affect you one bit. It is literally impossible to tell an immigrant is legal, in the process or illegal unless you physically ask them.

This whole immigrant scare that they bad people is just as wack as the news reporting about the whole unsafe printer thing and the hacker printed sheets saying subscribe to pewdiepie on youtube. Playing all these points, music etc making it come off as murder. When in reality isnt that deep or morally bad to have the dude thrown in jail off a stupid meme. Same as that Countdankla guy being thrown away for teaching his dog to sieg Heil.

Im all for legal immigration and me personally the illegals/immigrants here are generally better for this country than most Americans as far as social credit goes. If we had what the EU is going on as far as migrant crisis like France and Germany then i'd say close the boarders.

deolio

02-07-2019, 03:00 PM

R3b

02-07-2019, 03:17 PM

corbic is too busy floating around on his ego cloud to really listen to anything anyone has to say or cary on a conversation without spinning it fit his argument. he is the ideal trump supporter. eager to be the TOOL dividing the country, but too blind to realize it.

don't feed trolls people, this is internet 101.

This is why im not a part of it, my stance on politics in my opinion is fairly neutral. I lean more more left but at least I see the bullshit that goes on with the party same as the right. Really both are the same shit. Like I see his pov along with others but holy fuck. The same generic bullshit hes calling gabby and rail about following the same NPC rhetoric is the same bullshit he spews from the other hard right republicans such as bearing or whatever "alt" political party is on youtube. All those talk pieces were cool when the elections where going on but really there only so much to talk about without having to rinse/repeat what is being said. Plus theyre preaching to the crowd and hearing what they want to hear.

Whole point of arguing is not to be right but get the opposition to agree or change position.

This whole thread is like a debate of if the earth is flat or not or if we landed on the moon. Its just a circle argument where everyone thinks there right with the other side calling the one crazy. Its really moot at the end of day if its not civil and dont have an open discussion about ideas WHILE presenting them in a clear/informative way without emotions.

Corbic

02-07-2019, 03:38 PM

Too both ya'll...

Are you sincerely wanting a discussion on illegal immigration? It sure does not appear so for either of your posts.

I've repeatedly made solid factual based arguments, but then Gabby and Ralli immediately throw out some stupid quip about Illegals at a Golf course or Mexico paying for the wall.

Nothing but spectical and diversion from the actual topic. Gabby even admitted he's all for open borders... So why would I believe a word he says about the wall? If he really thinks a wall won't work, then why not support it since he's goal is for more Mexicans.

He also supports fighting climate change, but then refused to acknowledge or discuss the conundrum that is bringing hundreds of millions of people into the first world.

So the reality is, ya'll would bitch about anything Trump does not matter what it is and no amount of facts, evidence or logic will change your minds.

The fact that you would frame the argument "oh noo afraid of scary illegals" really shows utter ignorance of the actual issues and inability to separate the individual antedotics from the real problem.

Corbic

02-07-2019, 03:42 PM

This is why im not a part of it, my stance on politics in my opinion is fairly neutral. I lean more more left but at least I see the bullshit that goes on with the party same as the right. Really both are the same shit. Like I see his pov along with others but holy fuck. The same generic bullshit hes calling gabby and rail about following the same NPC rhetoric is the same bullshit he spews from the other hard right republicans such as bearing or whatever "alt" political party is on youtube. All those talk pieces were cool when the elections where going on but really there only so much to talk about without having to rinse/repeat what is being said. Plus theyre preaching to the crowd and hearing what they want to hear.

Whole point of arguing is not to be right but get the opposition to agree or change position.

This whole thread is like a debate of if the earth is flat or not or if we landed on the moon. Its just a circle argument where everyone thinks there right with the other side calling the one crazy. Its really moot at the end of day if its not civil and dont have an open discussion about ideas WHILE presenting them in a clear/informative way without emotions.

Your comments and tone clearly indicate you are a solid left of center.

You've yet to make a single argument to change anyone's mind.

Your argument about a flat earth and moon landing are perfect...

In that the earth is fucking round and we landed on the God damn moon and no amount of bullshit will ever change that fact. Build the fucking wall. MAKE MEXICO GREAT ALREADY.

RalliartRsX

02-07-2019, 03:51 PM

Corbic what facts?

I've asked about Obama starting a recession....you post a random article about recession recovery

I ask you to point to all the DNC/Russia collusion indictments.....your response is some random opining not related to anything DNC about the FBI is biased.

I ask you about a law which explicitly states that Mexicans are barred from being able to claim refugee status....your response is, there is not law which states this, just that you "know".

You asked about illegal immigrants as you explicitly put illegal into quotation....I point out, which actual factual artcile and proof trump himself not only married an illegal he also hired them.....
Your response is a shit ton of memes.

I also ask you if Mexico is going to pay for the wall....your response is...why hold trump to promises he made during the campaign

I have posted links from DEA, research from MIT with actual data in regards to what the wall will ultimately cost as well as pointed out Bush signed the Fence Act in 06 and Obama carried that candle and failed..

And all Corbic has posed is a shit ton of memes. How are memes factual or informative??

I digress. Corbic has his stance deeply rooted in memes. I'll keep with the MIT, DEA and other reliable and proven sources and that's that.

Have a good evening Corbic. Drink a cold one and chill :)

Corbic

02-07-2019, 04:18 PM

Corbic what facts?

I've asked about Obama starting a recession....you post a random article about recession recovery

I ask you to point to all the DNC/Russia collusion indictments.....your response is some random opining not related to anything DNC about the FBI is biased.

I ask you about a law which explicitly states that Mexicans are barred from being able to claim refugee status....your response is, there is not law which states this, just that you "know".

You asked about illegal immigrants as you explicitly put illegal into quotation....I point out, which actual factual artcile and proof trump himself not only married an illegal he also hired them.....
Your response is a shit ton of memes.

I also ask you if Mexico is going to pay for the wall....your response is...why hold trump to promises he made during the campaign

I have posted links from DEA, research from MIT with actual data in regards to what the wall will ultimately cost as well as pointed out Bush signed the Fence Act in 06 and Obama carried that candle and failed..

And all Corbic has posed is a shit ton of memes. How are means factual or informative??

I digress. Corbic has his stance deeply rooted in memes. I'll keep with the MIT, DEA and other reliable and proven sources and that's that.

Have a good evening Corbic. Drink a cold one and chill :)Like, wow.

I litterally answered every single stupid excuse you asked. Several times in some cases, but your back avoiding the issues.

Go eat your Wheaties...

spooled240

02-07-2019, 04:18 PM

Jesus christ yall act like these people are walking into your homes and stealing everything when in reality dont affect you one bit. It is literally impossible to tell an immigrant is legal, in the process or illegal unless you physically ask them.

This whole immigrant scare that they bad people is just as wack as the news reporting about the whole unsafe printer thing and the hacker printed sheets saying subscribe to pewdiepie on youtube. Playing all these points, music etc making it come off as murder. When in reality isnt that deep or morally bad to have the dude thrown in jail off a stupid meme. Same as that Countdankla guy being thrown away for teaching his dog to sieg Heil.

Im all for legal immigration and me personally the illegals/immigrants here are generally better for this country than most Americans as far as social credit goes. If we had what the EU is going on as far as migrant crisis like France and Germany then i'd say close the boarders.

Again, this is not what we're arguing here. We're arguing whether or not our borders should continue to remain wide open and our immigration laws completely ignored with zero accountability on who enters.

R3b

02-07-2019, 04:58 PM

My last posts really have nothing to do with the discussion outside of the other dude which really boils down to the "oh no afraid of scary illegals" and posting the same two instances of an illegal committing a crime and for a hot minute was the poster for the wall because molly was written off as martyr which is sick people using someone death for political argument. Which my antendotes are just as equally as bad. But even still Gbaby made a point saying immigrates in this country commit far less crimes than any born citizen but yet that was glossed over? Then you brought up guns right after? LOL wat

Really my point and post is stopping being a twat with how you come off, stick to one subject. If you're talking about immigration and illegals stick to it. There is really no point in bringing up climate change and correlating with the extra illegals is bad for the worlds overall climate change. Its the same as people stopping straws everywhere, I mean I guess it helps the environment in the smallest sense but end of the day 100 companies provide 70ish% of the worlds pollution. End of the day individuals wont stop climate change and we need to look at companies/countries as a whole to figure out a proper way to deal with it. IM NOT SAYING fuck these companies and go on a hippy tangent on saving the planet but maybe lets talk about how we can minimize our carbon foot print as a collective. You have good points but all the other fluff is not need aka the pictures and literally typing out the arguments of the others. Just let them finish there point or whatever before trying to berate the subject and dance to another topic.

If I go back a few pages most of the comments are from you and you constantly double post which isnt needed to prove a point. Honestly I could care less if others throw in a non sequitur to the topic because overall there diction is less abrupt and to your face. If its an issue then bring it up like "hey that has nothing to do with XYZ, what im talking about is XYZ. Please lets stick to this then move on" Supports your arguments wayyyyy more and makes you seem like you're "winning" the argument if you will.

Also maybe im reading completely different thing but Gbaby isnt for open boarders, I dont think anyone is. Same way people look at gun control, no one is saying take away all the guns but maybe we need to look at this in a different light and like any modern society look for a better the solution. Just because stats show gun violence has gone down over the years, knives kill more people etc doesnt mean we should just give up about school shootings and not care or openly talk about it? But also at the same time not have an irrational fear that schools are prisions and if I send my kid to school there is a "chance" they will get shot vs getting killed in a car accident, drowning, health illnesses.

Same as the other dude and yourself, saying people should come in legally and dont hate immigrants but will rant and rave about the issues of illegal immigrants do to the country. While Gbaby and Rail are also for legal immigration but dont view illegal immigrants in this country under the lens as bad and feel they are apart of this country for the better of it.

If you want to have a deeper discussion about immigration leave the topic of the wall out of it because for arguments sake it gets built up instantly by end of the month. It still doesnt solve anything immediate or will have long terms effects aka Mexico improving its standard of living so less people come here, the illegals already here, DACA recipient which are in the middle of everything, we will still have drugs entering the country, we will still have homeless veterans, still have people living in poverty in america. To me topic of the wall is a talk about boarder security/fiances but doesnt encompass the whole talk about immigration in this country.

R3b

02-07-2019, 05:24 PM

Again, this is not what we're arguing here. We're arguing whether or not our borders should continue to remain wide open and our immigration laws completely ignored with zero accountability on who enters.

So what was the point of posting the articles? Right is always quick to talk about lefty emotions by you guys do the same argument. Regardless of immigration people still going to commit murder regardless of race, age, living status.

I am not for the wall simply its just a band aid for other issues, do I think we need better security then yes. I still believe we need to sort out immigration reform before anything else. At the moment only way to come into the country legally is chain migration aka through family who already has status, bring over a business with lots of capital, and last way is marriage. Even for people like my family who came legally the system failed us, we WAITED 14 years to hear about our status, constantly sending letters, going in person, lawyers etc only for them to tell us they need documents from pre 2001 which no one will have. I have cousins and other family who came over as well at the same time or years after us. All them are citizens now meanwhile we did everything right but USCIS lost our paper work and took 14 years to get back to us. Every year applying for work authorization, paying taxes, me going to school, none of us doing anything different than any other american family. We have status now but the fact we waited so long with no update is nuts. If my parents knew it was going to be this big of an issue and like many other South Africans we would of went to New Zealand or Australia. At this point America is all we've known and it be stupid to go back so SA let alone start over in another country. We dont have money like you need now to just immigrate to any country vs what was needed almost 25-30 years ago.

spooled240

02-07-2019, 06:16 PM

So what was the point of posting the articles? Right is always quick to talk about lefty emotions by you guys do the same argument. Regardless of immigration people still going to commit murder regardless of race, age, living status.

I am not for the wall simply its just a band aid for other issues, do I think we need better security then yes. I still believe we need to sort out immigration reform before anything else. At the moment only way to come into the country legally is chain migration aka through family who already has status, bring over a business with lots of capital, and last way is marriage. Even for people like my family who came legally the system failed us, we WAITED 14 years to hear about our status, constantly sending letters, going in person, lawyers etc only for them to tell us they need documents from pre 2001 which no one will have. I have cousins and other family who came over as well at the same time or years after us. All them are citizens now meanwhile we did everything right but USCIS lost our paper work and took 14 years to get back to us. Every year applying for work authorization, paying taxes, me going to school, none of us doing anything different than any other american family. We have status now but the fact we waited so long with no update is nuts. If my parents knew it was going to be this big of an issue and like many other South Africans we would of went to New Zealand or Australia. At this point America is all we've known and it be stupid to go back so SA let alone start over in another country. We dont have money like you need now to just immigrate to any country vs what was needed almost 25-30 years ago.

lol "you guys" huh? I've actually tried to keep this discussion non-partisan and just sticking to facts. Those articles were in response to the anecdotal evidence of the benefits illegal immigrants provide. Something about 21 Savage, I don't go back and read it. I know it was anecdotal, don't take it too seriously.

and yeah I know about the process, it sucks. I know people who have went through it to become legal immigrants and eventually, citizens. I'm all for immigration reform, but that's another issue.

What I'm still not seeing are valid reasons to leave the border wide open. It's already a known fact that undocumented people(a few on terrorist watch lists) and drugs are smuggled over open parts of the border. Because it's hard to get in legally? Because we haven't seen serious spikes in crime rates or terrorist attacks from people smuggled through the SWB yet? And you guys are crazy if you think a 10+ foot wall does nothing to stop people, vehicles, etc. from crossing a border. To me, this has really nothing to do with politics, immigration, nationalism, racism..it's common sense.

e30gangsta

02-07-2019, 07:29 PM

How is this legal?

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/02/05/whatever-you-paid-watch-netflix-last-month-was-more-it-paid-income-taxes-all-last?fbclid=IwAR2EcPrkrW2kQq3cm3QjXt_zSOZm3AZ8LgEK 1Oxd3t5HUzyewiTu89Gh72M

RalliartRsX

02-07-2019, 08:23 PM

Spool and Corbic stop making the leap. No one had said leave the border wide open.

I've asked the question 100x over. I am 1000% for border Security and had proper bipartisan support until trump jettisoned the idea and vetoed the bill. The fact that you and Corbic continue to make such false statements is ridiculous.

I laid out why the wall is a ridiculous idea, which included proper research from MIT. Not sure what else you folks need in terms of justification.

The issue I have is; the GOP sells it's supporters on a topic, the supporters take it hook line and sinker, then the GOP turnsr around and vote AGAINST what they just sold the supporters on....

In this case, BOTH the wall AND border Security. If the GOP or trump really gave a shit about either , we wouldn't have a useless wastefully government shutdown, they would have had a budget by now, and they would have figured out a way for both border security and the wall.

They have failed to accomplish what you folks voted them in to accomplish. THATS the issue I have.
Migrant crossing has continued to drop every single year since 2000. DHS own number states this (see below). The border crisis is mostly self fabricated. And shoot, the governor of New Mexico, who is ACTUALLY on the front line and not just someone at a desk pulled the troops because they are literally just sitting idle.

If you want stats, here you go.

First article pulls the immigration stats directly from DHS. The second deals with the New Mexico governor pulling troops.

I'm all for border Security, but don't continue to sell a false narrative. Give us the truth and let's work with factual information. That's all I ask

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2018/06/25/there-is-no-crisis-at-the-border-and-dhs-stats-prove-it/amp/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna968336

Source: U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

The report reflected reality: Border Patrol apprehensions along the Southwest border plummeted by approximately 80%, from a high of over 1.6 million in FY 2000, to around 300,000 in FY 2017. (Apprehensions are considered a proxy for illegal entry, so the fewer apprehensions, the less illegal entry.)

RalliartRsX

02-07-2019, 08:36 PM

murda-c

02-07-2019, 08:36 PM

We should look at decriminalizing drugs to make the drug trade less profitable.

Though it would also make the drug war less profitable.

gbaby2089

02-07-2019, 08:47 PM

nopenopenope

RalliartRsX

02-07-2019, 08:56 PM

We should look at decriminalizing drugs to make the drug trade less profitable.

Though it would also make the drug war less profitable.

The elephant in the room which Corbic or spool fail to acknowledge is that the USA is Mexico's largest purchaser/customer of illegal drugs. The USA essentially funds the drug war.

But no one wants to talk about that. So when Corbic says Mexico needs to get their shit together. NO. The USA needs to get their shit together and stop funding Mexico.

As the saying goes, follow the money.

Corbic

02-07-2019, 09:51 PM

The elephant in the room which Corbic or spool fail to acknowledge is that the USA is Mexico's largest purchaser/customer of illegal drugs. The USA essentially funds the drug war.

But no one wants to talk about that. So when Corbic says Mexico needs to get their shit together. NO. The USA needs to get their shit together and stop funding Mexico.

As the saying goes, follow the money.Again, avoiding the question and the topic.

Corbic

02-07-2019, 09:54 PM

I still don't know why Spool or Corbic aren't more pissed at the GOP for continuing to lie to their faces. They sold you guys on a topic and then turned around and jettisoned that very same idea. Where's the outrage for being dupped?? Serious questionEver hear thr term RINO? I've only used it 50 times now.

Why aren't you pissed about Uranium One since your so hard on for Russian Colusion?

Why isn't Gabby mad about mass immigration if he cares about Global Warming?

R3b

02-08-2019, 11:34 AM

Your argument about a flat earth and moon landing are perfect...

In that the earth is fucking round and we landed on the God damn moon and no amount of bullshit will ever change that fact. Build the fucking wall. MAKE MEXICO GREAT ALREADY.

It wasnt an argument.... it was an analogy used to talk about how much of a shitshow this thread is because everyone is running around in circles with everyone thinking theyre right. This is what I mean by you taking it so literally, no fucking shit we landed on the moon and the earth is round.

Before I said anything about what I personally think needs to be done which isnt trying to prove a point or sway an argument. Its just an opinion... Everything else i've said was to say maybe lets talk like adults instead of hitting caplocks to reiterate yourself and stop with the shitpost meme pictures.

Again, this is not what we're arguing here. We're arguing whether or not our borders should continue to remain wide open and our immigration laws completely ignored with zero accountability on who enters.

No matter which way you lean I think the general consensus is we need to put more effort into board security and fix the broken immigration laws.

What I'm still not seeing are valid reasons to leave the border wide open.And you guys are crazy if you think a 10+ foot wall does nothing to stop people, vehicles, etc. from crossing a border. To me, this has really nothing to do with politics, immigration, nationalism, racism..it's common sense.

This is what I mean when I say people are talking over each other, no one is saying to keep the boarders open ever, even Gbaby had to say it again because Corbic keeps saying what Gbaby position when theyve NEVER said to be open boarder and let whoever in the country. All theyre saying illegal/immigrants have some merit in the country and shouldn't be villanized.

Why isn't Gabby mad about mass immigration if he cares about Global Warming?

Again this is a non sequitur to your argument, yes im sure immigration is linked to added carbon footprint but compared to what? What I found is legal migration or even overall population increase cause the issue of carbon footprint in the US, though yes you are right if an illegal comes over here they will produce more of a carbon footprint its very negligible at best. Just as you did with the hypothetical saying the magic wand or whatever lets say we make Mexico into a better country put more money into helping the country vs helping illegals here which will see benefits. Dont you think like any other developed nation will have carbon footprint increase as well? Shit look at China, not even 80 years ago it was not even close to a developed nation and here we are thanks to capitalism its now a super power, overall the people have a better standard of living etc but they produce a good share of C02 emissions. So again what does climate change have to do with the argument for board security and having the wall to stop illegal migration?

https://cis.org/Immigration-United-States-and-WorldWide-Greenhouse-Gas-Emissions-0

-The estimated CO2 emissions of the average immigrant (legal or illegal) in the United States are 18 percent less than those of the average native-born American.

-However, immigrants in the United States produce an estimated four times more CO2 in the United States as they would have in their countries of origin.

-The impact of immigration to the United States on global emissions is equal to approximately 5 percent of the increase in annual world-wide CO2 emissions since 1980.

-Of the CO2 emissions caused by immigrants, 83 percent is estimated to come from legal immigrants and 17 percent from illegal immigrants.

-Legal immigrants have a much larger impact because they have higher incomes and resulting emissions, and they are more numerous than illegal immigrants.

-In recent years, increases in U.S. CO2 emissions have been driven entirely by population increases as per capita emissions have stabilized.

ALSO I found out because of climate change we will see a huge influx of migration over the whole world and thats not because people trying to escape "shit hole" countries but because of how climate change has affected agriculture so much the last 30 years. More people will be migrating not because of politics, people, religion but because they simply dont have or can grow food.

Here is your old comment

You want to stop Climate change? Then why do you want to bring hundreds of millions of people from the 3rd world to the 1st world. Living in the first world astronomically increases the per person carbon foot print. You should be advocating to force these people to stay put and begin mass sterilization plans and "one child" policies to bring the world population down.

This is an oversimplification of why third world countries have many kids. Its a mix of more kids=better chance of care later in life, overall bad medical infrastructure, less educated, need a high birth rate to combat high mortality rate. Also "force" these people, lets just ignore human rights(mass sterilization wtf), go full 1984; live in a authoritarian climate instead of you know trying bring up other countries to a global standard of living, letting biology take over and people will naturally have less kids.

spooled240

02-08-2019, 11:53 AM

Spool and Corbic stop making the leap. No one had said leave the border wide open.

No one is saying the borders have to be wide open.

:picardfp::picardfp::picardfp::picardfp::picardfp: :picardfp:

Parts of the border are wide open without a barrier or security. This whole time you guys were saying that people and drugs don't enter through open, unprotected parts of the border so a wall is unnecessary and ineffective. Only points of entry are a concern, not parts of the border that are wide open?

Whatever, maybe we're making some progress here.

So if you guys are against wide open borders, are you acknowledging that there's a problem with parts of our border being wide open? This is why many Americans feel something should be done about this. Build a wall, hire more BP agents to patrol, etc.

Ralli, you're all over the place with your arguments and Gbaby is delusional in believing walls are made out mass from the 4th dimension that dematerializes when physical objects try to pass through them.

Migrant crossing has continued to drop every single year since 2000. DHS own number states this (see below). The border crisis is mostly self fabricated. And shoot, the governor of New Mexico, who is ACTUALLY on the front line and not just someone at a desk pulled the troops because they are literally just sitting idle.

If you want stats, here you go.

First article pulls the immigration stats directly from DHS. The second deals with the New Mexico governor pulling troops.

I'm all for border Security, but don't continue to sell a false narrative. Give us the truth and let's work with factual information. That's all I ask

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2018/06/25/there-is-no-crisis-at-the-border-and-dhs-stats-prove-it/amp/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna968336

Cool deltas, bro. "Only" 300k apprehensions.

and if we want to get bi-partisan about it, the democrats have acknowledged this issue and supported enforcing border security and immigration laws in the past, which of course is extremely controversial to their standing on the issue today. Clinton and Obama both openly supported this, but now the democrats are fighting against this because they hate Trump so bad. Most of them looked ridiculous the other night during Trumps State of the Union speech. Let's not stand and clap when Trump denounces sex trafficking because Trump said it. I personally hate this bi-partisan shit-slinging contest because it's tearing us apart, but it just so happens that the left seems to become less and less rational by the day.

Did you guys see AOC's Green New Deal? What in the serious fuck...

gbaby2089

02-08-2019, 12:05 PM

nopenopenope

FaLKoN240

02-08-2019, 12:50 PM

I just want to point out that 0 percent of the participants in this thread have changed their thoughts, beliefs or political affiliation since it started.

This thread is so pointless. 41 pages of people arguing about nothing and no one's opinion changing.

Corbic

02-08-2019, 12:58 PM

This is an oversimplification of why third world countries have many kids. Its a mix of more kids=better chance of care later in life, overall bad medical infrastructure, less educated, need a high birth rate to combat high mortality rate.

I'd argue the opposite.

Part of the reason we have over population, in Africa for example, is because of Foriegn Aid and medical treatment.

We keep shipping rice, vaccines and even UN Peacekeepers preventing nature down taking its course. 200 years ago you'd have just seen a 9/10 mortality rate from war, famine and diesease. The over population in its self has now created its own human tradgity as it leads too... War, famine and disease.

So now Doctors without Boarders solution is just to shop everyone to Europe?

Also "force" these people, lets just ignore human rights(mass sterilization wtf), go full 1984; live in a authoritarian climate instead of you know trying bring up other countries to a global standard of living, letting biology take over and people will naturally have less kids.

Its called Socilaism... And if you truly belive the ends justifies the means... Then they will do it.

BTW this has been done before by almost every Socialist country.

Corbic

02-08-2019, 01:03 PM

Did you see any attempt to curb climate change from the center or right? No? What in the serious fuck...

Also, tons of drugs come in through sea ports, airports, legal land ports of entry, etc.

A wall doesn't stop that.

"I hate partisan shit slinging" and "the left is less rational by the day" are mutually exclusive. But hey, the right just grows stupider every day.

Just remember, not a single Republican in congress/the white house would spit on you if you were on fire. You don't matter to them, only your support does.And the left would love to see my people in camps or drag me out in the woods and put a bullet in my head.....

It's all happened before, it will happen again.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190208/9fb52953b37ab80f0c70cf63898b14a3.jpg

RalliartRsX

02-08-2019, 01:17 PM

spooled240

02-08-2019, 01:20 PM

+1 Have a good weekend everyone

R3b

02-08-2019, 07:41 PM

GG, yeah im over it. If my last post all I got out of corbic having a tangent about socialism vs everything else I said Im done trying lol

gbaby2089

02-09-2019, 08:18 AM

nopenopenope

Corbic

02-09-2019, 09:49 AM

I mean Corbic thinks I want all conservatives shot.

Dude is legitimately unhinged & should seek therapy.Nice strawman argument.

Do you want socialism and progressivism?

The fundamental problem problem is the end goal and that's why none of us can agree.

If the argument was "what's the best way to control illegal immigration" then we can debate the most cost effective means to meet that goal. Do we focus on visa overstays, add more boarder guards, drones, walls, improve the efficiency of the deportation process, etc.

But when one side does not want to restrict illegal immigration, well we are at a fundamental impass aren't we.

It's one thing to argue how to best prepaid a future generation. "Hwy boys and girls need to be exposed to more then just firefighters and teachers as career choices", all sorts of modern technology driven skills are needed that k-12 completely fail to show kids.

Do higshchoolers or Liberal Arts kids have any idea what Supply Chain Artifical Intelligence is or how Block Chain impacts logistics?

If they did, they'd be making 6-figures day one graduation.

But arguing kids need to be raised gender neutral or should have a guaranteed income regardless if they choose to work...... Well there is no compromise there since that is a polar opposite goal.

People cry about how polar politics have become, but it's become that way because the goals are no longer the same.

And the leftist all around the world killed hundreds of millions of people in the 20th Century , and it's always been for the good of society, progress and equality. You just can't have those stinking right wing conservative rural folk getting in the fucking way.

Corbic

02-09-2019, 09:52 AM

I mean Corbic thinks I want all conservatives shot.

Dude is legitimately unhinged & should seek therapy.

Do you mean... Just most? 50%? Some? A few?

Or just black listed, censored, impeached and imprisoned?

Corbic

02-12-2019, 05:31 PM

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna970536

Corbic

02-12-2019, 05:32 PM

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna970536

Well derpdidudaday

spooled240

02-13-2019, 11:05 AM

https://twitter.com/DanCrenshawTX/status/1095078431317000193

lol

SimpleS14

02-13-2019, 11:06 AM

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna970536

I'll be interested to read their official report when it's published. I'm also weighing the anticipated Muller report more heavily, as that team has more insight and investigative powers than Congress (IMO).

SteffbuiltNOLA

03-28-2019, 04:49 PM

I'll be interested to read their official report when it's published. I'm also weighing the anticipated Muller report more heavily, as that team has more insight and investigative powers than Congress (IMO).

Trump is seemingly exonerated with nothing to show any collusion. Not gunna lie, the reactions from the left have been epically hilarious but let’s see what the summary says.

spooled240

03-29-2019, 09:19 AM

It's been quite a week for the left lol

SteffbuiltNOLA

03-29-2019, 12:09 PM

It's been quite a week for the left lol

Avenatti for president lulz.
What do you think about Trump telling the justice department to no longer support the ACA? Curious what people think about it.

supersayianjim

03-30-2019, 03:41 PM

oh and build the wall!!!

Corbic

03-30-2019, 07:44 PM

spooled240

04-01-2019, 10:45 AM

Avenatti for president lulz.
What do you think about Trump telling the justice department to no longer support the ACA? Curious what people think about it.

Thank Jeebus?

Biggest piece of shit legislation ever.

All it did was double everyone's premiums and make criminals of those who choose to go uninsured.

Whole thing is basically Michigans "No Fault Auto Insurance". "let's reduce cost by saying the policy holder is always at fault so we then double everyone's premium! "

What he said.

Speaking of addressing shitty legislation from the left that infringes on rights of Americans residing in the California Socialist Republic: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judge-blocks-california-s-ban-high-capacity-magazines-over-2nd-n989136

supersayianjim

04-01-2019, 03:55 PM

Build the fucking wall!!!

SimpleS14

04-02-2019, 06:41 AM

Trump is seemingly exonerated with nothing to show any collusion. Not gunna lie, the reactions from the left have been epically hilarious but let’s see what the summary says.

Yea, the reactions to the Barr memo is a bit much, but then again most people wanted the actual report not a summary of the report from a political appointee with expansive views of executive powers. I'd like to see what's in the actual Mueller report to understand what evidence was gather and any narrative they can explain certain actions that, while suspect, do not raise to any level of criminality.

RalliartRsX

04-02-2019, 06:54 AM

Barr stated, over a year ago, a sitting president will not indicted on any criminality charges. In addition, Justice Department guidelines say that a sitting president will not be indicted due to distracting the president from his constitutional duties as president. Congress (the Senate) are the ones ultimately in charge of carrying out the process of indicting the president with a recommendation from the DOJ.

If anyone has been paying attention, the Senate will NEVER (in its current makeup) vote to indict a sitting republican president based off the makeup of the Senate. That is political suicide considering how much support from gop supporters trump has garnered over the years.

Either way, Barr reviewed the almost 400 page document for less than 48 hours.

If there is no evidence, have the report (with proper classified redaction) be released to the public and go from there.

And we still cannot ignore the almost 40 folks who were charged and convicted from the probe, several of which were in trumps campaign. Manafort willingly fed polling data to the Kremlin for instance. But people will continue to ignore those convictions as it does not align wholly with their which hunt theory.........a Special Counsel which had Bi Partisan support up and down the aisle........and Mueller is a registered Republican of all things

That's all I have on the topic. Back to our regularly scheduled program.

SteffbuiltNOLA

04-02-2019, 10:59 AM

Thank Jeebus?

Biggest piece of shit legislation ever.

All it did was double everyone's premiums and make criminals of those who choose to go uninsured.

Whole thing is basically Michigans "No Fault Auto Insurance". "let's reduce cost by saying the policy holder is always at fault so we then double everyone's premium! "

Completely agree. When he ACA was first put into place, I was entry level in the work force so could barely afford health insurance and the marketplace was more expensive than my company. As I was moving up and making more money, my premiums went up at the same rate. So the question is, who the hell did it help? People claimed it’s no different than being required to get car insurance but that’s complete bs. If I lost my car insurance there is no fine for not having it unless caught driving uninsured. How many health insurance companies ended up going under from this? If there are less companies now doesn’t that mean less competition? Less competition usually means prices go even higher. Many doctor’s offices had to hire extra staff just to deal with claims bc all these insurance companies were trying their hardest to stay afloat and pay the least possible. Something that was always simple received a nice thick layer of bureaucracy on top of it, which as we all know, increases cost.

SteffbuiltNOLA

04-02-2019, 11:01 AM

What he said.

Speaking of addressing shitty legislation from the left that infringes on rights of Americans residing in the California Socialist Republic: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judge-blocks-california-s-ban-high-capacity-magazines-over-2nd-n989136

I couldn’t believe my eyes when I read that. Thank you for posting bud because we need all the hope we can get.

exitspeed

04-02-2019, 12:00 PM

Barr stated, over a year ago, a sitting president will not indicted on any criminality charges...

And in 2015 the Messiah himself told y’all this couldn’t even happen. And now a 2 and a half year investigation SAYS it didn’t happen.

cruh2p_Wh_4

You all just hang on to that false hope. It only helps the Right.

The same American people have moved on with their lives.

Corbic

04-04-2019, 11:38 AM

Completely agree. When he ACA was first put into place, I was entry level in the work force so could barely afford health insurance and the marketplace was more expensive than my company. As I was moving up and making more money, my premiums went up at the same rate. So the question is, who the hell did it help? People claimed it’s no different than being required to get car insurance but that’s complete bs. If I lost my car insurance there is no fine for not having it unless caught driving uninsured. How many health insurance companies ended up going under from this? If there are less companies now doesn’t that mean less competition? Less competition usually means prices go even higher. Many doctor’s offices had to hire extra staff just to deal with claims bc all these insurance companies were trying their hardest to stay afloat and pay the least possible. Something that was always simple received a nice thick layer of bureaucracy on top of it, which as we all know, increases cost.Not to mention we already had Medicaid for poor people and Medicare for old ones.... Sooo?

Trillions of debt to honestly help no one. Great work Socialists, great fucking work.

SteffbuiltNOLA

04-13-2019, 08:27 PM

Not to mention we already had Medicaid for poor people and Medicare for old ones.... Sooo?

Trillions of debt to honestly help no one. Great work Socialists, great fucking work.

Not just not help but in fact hurt the very people it was suppose to help in the first place.

Welp Mueller report is finally out to the public. Don’t see how it’s damning like the news keeps droning on about. Any opinions?

Mikey213

05-24-2019, 12:02 PM

HAHAHA of course elections are not hacked! The people are already hacked ahahah!

gbaby2089

07-16-2019, 09:48 AM

nopenopenope

exitspeed

07-16-2019, 11:51 AM

^
Haven’t given a fuck about what the UK thinks since 1776? There’s stupid rally’s on both sides. Typically on the Right though they aren’t burning American flags or taking down the American flag and replacing it with the Mexican flags.

Nice try though.

gbaby2089

07-16-2019, 12:32 PM

nopenopenope

exitspeed

07-16-2019, 02:20 PM

You haven't cared about our closest ally's thoughts....ever?

Meanwhile, Trump supporters really, really seem to love the thoughts of a certain German whom passed in 1945.

Burning the American flag is protected free speech as determined by the US Supreme Court in Texas v. Johnson. Where are you seeing people taking down American flags & replacing them with Mexican flags? Anywhere outside of racist conspiracy sites?

Also, a reminder that Trump fans often hang Rebel flags, in support of actual traitors.

Some rallies on the left wind up a bit dumb.

Every. Single. Trump rally has neo-nazis, white supremacist groups, etc., attending. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.

GTFO with that Nazi BS talk. The left are the antisemits. And they're proud of it. I have never met a single person in my almost 40 years in this city, a solid 1o of which I've identified as a Republican/Conservative that is a Nazi in any way shape or form. The neo nazi rally's are so fucking small it's ridiculous. The only reason they get big is because of counter protests. I say ignore those fucks and let them have their stupid ass views (also protected).

And No, not every single one. I could post countless, many organized and attended by POC where its peaceful.

And, just 2 days ago this happened in Colorado.

Protesters remove US flag, raise Mexican flag at Colorado ICE facility
https://nbcmontana.com/news/nation-world/protesters-remove-us-flag-raise-mexican-flag-at-colorado-ice-facility

Ya'll go ahead and keep justifying this BS.