Donald Trump For President

[gbaby2089]

Isn't calling someone a neo-nazi just as bad a calling someone the "G" or the "F" or the "N" word?
Anyway... I think this thread could put the forum at risk, or its traffic at least. I can come in here and disagree with a lot of your opinions and just disregard them for the rest of the forum, but I know that's not the case for everyone in here.
I saw someone calling somebody else a fascist or racist or something like that on his FS thread because of something that was said on this one.
Remember this is a car forum, dont let stuff from this thread spill onto others.

No, a racial/sexual slur is not the same thing as a political insult.

Yep.

You choose to have terrible believes.
You don't choose your sexual orientation or race.

[RalliartRsX]

So here is where it stands. I have yet to call anyone names (libtard, asshole, idiot, etc), but they have been lobbed my direction on several ocassions

I have asked on more than one occasion throughout the thread
1) Why is it that you support trump. And the answer cannot be "better than Killary". I have requested legitimate reasons why one supports trump. Just why is he better than HRC??
2) I have asked on several occasions for someone to come up with proper reasons what makes HRC a terrible candidate, and not the talking points presented by Fox News. I gave one (she is somewhat disconnected from the normal blue collar voter)
3) I have asked people to cite proper sources on where they get information from (eg: he west came up with 90% of the inventions). I have gone as far as providing several sources that debunks a fair amount of news on what Fox News reports on. The response??

And what I have gotten on all occasions?? People refuse to cite proper sources, answer any of my questions or give proper reasons why they support trump. What I get is "I am taking my ball and going home" and "You are just some asshole libtard".

THIS is why we cannot have a proper discussion. Everyone wants to slander and when presented with real discussions, I get the above response.

Same thing with Obama. Why the hate?? He is the only president in modern history to not have a scandal attached to his name. Yes, he sucked when it came to healthcare (which I admitted several pages back), but he got us out of the 2008 recession

As long as we continue to live in our fantasy world and refuse to accept our own issues, problems and biases, the discussion is going to always degrade into shit slinging........


No, a racial/sexual slur is not the same thing as a political insult.

Thank you immensely for this. I was waiting for someone to catch on to this.

I never called anyone a facist. What I said was his stance was borderline facist. Grossly different scenarios.

[Bushido]

Thought of that Kaijii Kurejiii Trampu Texan otaku kid or whatever when I saw this:


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[lewisfk]

Damn yo, but Texas has so many active clan chapters its ridiculous! Its bad when I give my safety brief to 100 Sailors and have to mention this, and areas were there likely to be subjected to racsim. Its also not fun to tell young Sailors and Airmen that we have no clear guidance on DACA, but let's go to war! We will sort this detail out on the back end!

[VNG704]

Ralliartrsx, people arguing to win and not to understand. That's why these discussions go the way they do.

[simmode1]

Every. Damn. Day.
https://pics.onsizzle.com/how-it-feels-waking-up-every-morning-in-2017-damage-12924586.png

[mixeds14]

Every. Damn. Day.
https://pics.onsizzle.com/how-it-feels-waking-up-every-morning-in-2017-damage-12924586.png

I feel ur pain bro...

[FaLKoN240]

Thanks Obama

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/25/politics/north-korea-fm-us-bombers/index.html

[Future240]

Thanks Obama

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/25/politics/north-korea-fm-us-bombers/index.html



Eh I'll cut Trump a break on this one. NK is always spouting off at the mouth with outrageous stuff.

[simmode1]

Eh I'll cut Trump a break on this one. NK is always spouting off at the mouth with outrageous stuff.
Right, that's to be expected from NK though. You wouldn't expect a US President to reciprocate in kind. It's like 2 nuclear capable children arguing. Both so eager to send other folks kids off to war.

[RalliartRsX]

Eh I'll cut Trump a break on this one. NK is always spouting off at the mouth with outrageous stuff.

But that is NK. We had our chance to curtail their capability to enrich uranium in the Obama era, and we fell short. I need to go back and dig through why exactly we turned the other direction (I think it had something to do with Iran, but my memory is somewhat hazy in that regard).

Either way, that has been a NK stance for some time. For a standing president of the free world to state "We are willing to wipe them off the face of the planet", for someone so triggered like KJU, that is essentially a threat or declaration of war.

It's like a small kid seeing a small venomous snake in the corner and due to his size he keeps poking at it thinking "look at that pip squeek." Kid has no idea snake is venomous, then when the snake has had enough and strikes, kid is sent to the ER. Not life threatening is treated in time, but could potentially pivot into something that could forever cause issues.

trump is that kid.......

This is the perfect example of someone out of his swim lane in terms of foreign or........fuck it. This is a man with ZERO relations experience, be it foreign, domestic or otherwise.

All NK has to do is point a few missiles at Seoul and wipe 1/2 million people off the eart even before the US can mobilize, much less fire a single missile. And lets not forget, South Korea is an ally.......Sure that will go over well on both a national and the world stage. All because trump wants to measure dick sizes. Nothing else.

He can't explain that away with bribes........

[Future240]

But that is NK. We had our chance to curtail their capability to enrich uranium in the Obama era, and we fell short. I need to go back and dig through why exactly we turned the other direction (I think it had something to do with Iran, but my memory is somewhat hazy in that regard).

Either way, that has been a NK stance for some time. For a standing president of the free world to state "We are willing to wipe them off the face of the planet", for someone so triggered like KJU, that is essentially a threat or declaration of war.

It's like a small kid seeing a small venomous snake in the corner and due to his size he keeps poking at it thinking "look at that pip squeek." Kid has no idea snake is venomous, then when the snake has had enough and strikes, kid is sent to the ER. Not life threatening is treated in time, but could potentially pivot into something that could forever cause issues.

trump is that kid.......

This is the perfect example of someone out of his swim lane in terms of foreign or........fuck it. This is a man with ZERO relations experience, be it foreign, domestic or otherwise.

All NK has to do is point a few missiles at Seoul and wipe 1/2 million people off the eart even before the US can mobilize, much less fire a single missile. And lets not forget, South Korea is an ally.......Sure that will go over well on both a national and the world stage. All because trump wants to measure dick sizes. Nothing else.

He can't explain that away with bribes........





He is not the first to do it. See Clinton




I know of no one who seriously believes that the United States and [South Korea] would be defeated in a war of aggression by North Korea if they were to attack,” Clinton said. “And I made it as clear as I could that if they were to do that, they would pay a price so great that the nation would probably not survive as it is known today.”




It is a threat. It is supposed to be. It is NOT a declaration of war. Obama also threatened NK though in a nicer way.


In one warning to North Korea against launching a long-range missile, Obama said (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/apr/03/north-korea-missile-obama) that if it should “decide to take this action, we will work with all interested partners in the international community to take appropriate steps to let North Korea know that they cannot threaten the safety and stability of other countries with impunity.”


I am no Trump fan in the least bit but I do not think his response is as bad as people are making it out to be especially considering NK has backed up some of their usual rhetoric with some action. Do remember they shot a missile over Japan.

[RalliartRsX]

........

So there are several key things you fail to mention in your post and I would like to put your response into context

Footnotes:
1) Clinton came up with the Framework deal between the US and NK. Deal: international consortium planned to replace the North’s plutonium reactor with two light-water reactors; in the meantime, the United States would supply the North with 500,000 tons of heavy fuel oil every year to make up for the theoretical loss of the reactor while the new ones were built

2) George W. Bush became president in 2001 and was highly skeptical of Clinton’s deal with North Korea. Secretary of State Colin L. Powell was even slapped down when he suggested the administration would follow the path set by the Clinton administration. The new administration terminated missile talks with Pyongyang and spent months trying to develop its own policy.

3) In response, the Bush administration terminated the supply of fuel oil that was essential to the agreement — and then North Korea quickly kicked out the U.N. inspectors, restarted the nuclear plant and began developing its nuclear weapons, using the material in radioactive fuel rods that previously had been under the close watch of the IAEA. Japan and South Korea, the key partners in the accord, were not happy with the decision to terminate the Agreed Framework, but there was little they could do about it.

Within two years, U.S. intelligence analysts concluded North Korea was using the plutonium to create nuclear weapons.

The rest is history..........Essentially NK was cheating on the Framework deal, hence the move for Clinton to make such statements

Trump on the other hand. No such deal in place to be boasting such statements.

So in essence, Clinto scripted a crappy deal, Bush administration comes in and really blows it up. NK moves to issue middle finger to the US.


If people care to read, see below
Why did Clinton's NK deal fail. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/08/09/history-lesson-why-did-bill-clintons-north-korea-deal-fail/?utm_term=.ad8eb3d82026)

The Facts

Clinton’s deal was called the Agreed Framework. In contrast to the detailed and lengthy agreement negotiated in 2015 under President Barack Obama intended to restrain Iran’s nuclear ambitions, the Agreed Framework, struck in 1994, was only a few pages long.

Essentially, an international consortium planned to replace the North’s plutonium reactor with two light-water reactors; in the meantime, the United States would supply the North with 500,000 tons of heavy fuel oil every year to make up for the theoretical loss of the reactor while the new ones were built.


North Korea’s program was clearly created to churn out nuclear weapons; the reactor at Yongbyon was not connected to the power grid and appeared only designed to produce plutonium, a key ingredient for nuclear weapons. The theory of the deal was that, with the plant shuttered and the plutonium under the close watch of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), North Korea would not be able to produce a bomb. There were also vague references in the text to improving relations and commerce.

The deal was hugely controversial in Congress. Just as with Obama’s Iran negotiations, Clinton structured the agreement so that it was not considered a treaty that would have required ratification by the Senate. As with Iran, there was also an international component, with South Korea, Japan and a European agency joining with the United States to create an organization to implement the accord.

As Iowa State University professor Young Whan Kihl noted in an article exploring the political ramifications:


Since the “Agreed Framework” took the form of a presidential “executive agreement,” rather than a formal treaty (such as SALT I & II), the U.S. Senate did not need to give “advise and consent” under the U.S. Constitution. However, the terms of the agreement are controversial and subject to scrutiny by the Republican-dominant U.S. Congress that began a series of congressional hearings in mid-January 1995. Some congressmen and senators demanded that the “agreed framework” be treated as a formal treaty; this move was resisted by the Clinton Administration but, because of the budgetary and appropriation clauses of the agreement, the U.S. Congress was inevitably drawn into the process of implementation and verification of the agreement.

So how did North Korea get its hands on the nuclear material? George W. Bush became president in 2001 and was highly skeptical of Clinton’s deal with North Korea. Secretary of State Colin L. Powell was even slapped down when he suggested the administration would follow the path set by the Clinton administration. The new administration terminated missile talks with Pyongyang and spent months trying to develop its own policy.


Then intelligence agencies determined that North Korea was cheating on the agreement by trying to develop nuclear material through another method — highly enriched uranium. The Bush administration sent an envoy who confronted North Korea — and the regime was said to have belligerently confirmed it in 2002, just as the Bush administration was mostly focused on the pending invasion of Iraq.

In response, the Bush administration terminated the supply of fuel oil that was essential to the agreement — and then North Korea quickly kicked out the U.N. inspectors, restarted the nuclear plant and began developing its nuclear weapons, using the material in radioactive fuel rods that previously had been under the close watch of the IAEA. Japan and South Korea, the key partners in the accord, were not happy with the decision to terminate the Agreed Framework, but there was little they could do about it.

Within two years, U.S. intelligence analysts concluded North Korea was using the plutonium to create nuclear weapons.


After North Korea conducted its first nuclear test in 2006, the Bush administration tried desperately to negotiate a new accord with Pyongyang, including offering significant new concessions, but those efforts ultimately failed. Bush, to the anger of conservatives and the government of Japan, even removed North Korea from the State Department list of state sponsors of terrorism — only to see the hard work turn to dust. The nuclear genie by then was out of the bottle, and North Korea had little incentive to give up its stash of plutonium, no matter what the United States and its negotiating allies offered.

(Toward the end of the negotiations, the Bush administration learned that North Korea had helped Syria build a nuclear facility, which was destroyed by Israeli warplanes. Bush kept negotiating, even though North Korea in theory had crossed a “red line” set by Bush in 2003 that it could not transfer nuclear technology to other parties.)

The issue was considered such a loser that the Obama administration barely bothered to restart disarmament talks, adopting a stance dubbed “strategic patience.” (One official privately said the Obama team was stunned at the concessions offered by Bush when they reviewed the diplomatic history after taking office.) During that eight-year period of fitful talks, North Korea improved its mastery of nuclear technology, including uranium enrichment, and also its missile technology.


Questions have since been raised about whether the Bush administration misinterpreted North Korea’s supposed confirmation — and doubts also emerged about the quality of U.S. intelligence that inspired the confrontation. But Bush’s later efforts to negotiate a new accord were hampered by fresh evidence that North Korea actually did have an undisclosed uranium-enrichment program.

Interestingly, former Clinton administration officials have said they knew North Korea was cheating on the uranium enrichment front dating back to 1998 and planned to use that intelligence as leverage to keep the Agreed Framework in place and the plutonium under lock and key. Other Clinton administration officials will also concede that they never thought they would have to build the light-water reactors because they assumed, wrongly, that the regime would collapse before the reactors would be built.

But in the end, the regime has survived. Much like the Iranian accord negotiated by Obama, the North Korea deal had little bipartisan support and was rejected by the incoming president as a bad deal. But, as Bush quickly learned, terminating one deal is much easier than renegotiating a better one.

[RalliartRsX]

Saved for response.......busy at work lol

[RalliartRsX]

@Future240; Thanks for sparking me to do my research before making that long winded post :)

However, I would like to point out several stark differences

1) The quote you brought up from Clinton was in reference to a discussion between leader of South Korea at the time Kim Yong and then president Clinton. The difference is in this quote below
The most important piece of our discussions centered on North Korea. We are both concerned by North Korea's concentration of forces near the Demilitarized Zone and by its refusal to grant international inspectors full access to its nuclear sites.
Source: This is actual dialogue as officially recorded.
.The President's News Conference With President Kim Yong-sam of South Korea (http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=46165)


2) NK did not (atleast, in the eyes of the public) have Nuclear warheads
3) Those warheads weren't pointed at the US

The fact that NK has wareheads, which (they boast) can reach US mainland does change how a sitting president needs to approach the situation. In addition, with "allys" (and I used the term lightly) in terms of China, the war posture and how you approach changes drastically from when Clinton had to deal with 2+ decades ago.

I understand your point, but the two are not one in the same. The rules of the game have changed immensely the past several decades, and trump is seemingly oblivious to this

[Future240]

^ I an respect that.


I can agree that Trump went overboard with what his comments suggest (fire and fury sounds like nuclear to me) but I still feel he is right in letting NK know we will not stand for their mess.


Ultimately I hope both Nk and the POTUS can check their ego's and not get engage in a war that would leave millions of Koreans dead.

[hatch4life]

would leave millions of Koreans dead.
I laughed more than I should at this

[Future240]

I laughed more than I should at this

Why thhe fuck would you laugh at it in general? I hope you realize Koreans means both North and South.

[simmode1]

Lol @ the difference in tone between his visit to Puerto Rico versus Las Vegas.
https://pics.onsizzle.com/donald-trump-is-like-send-help-play-golf-rsvptal-28070945.png

[Phlip]

Lol @ the difference in tone between his visit to Puerto Rico versus Las Vegas.
https://pics.onsizzle.com/donald-trump-is-like-send-help-play-golf-rsvptal-28070945.png

Don't forget those thoughts and prayers the Puerto Ricans could be eating right now.

[SSJ-S15]

Don't forget those thoughts and prayers the Puerto Ricans could be eating right now.

Thank god he jumpshotted those paper towels at them, crisis averted!

[RalliartRsX]

Thank god he jumpshotted those paper towels at them, crisis averted!

Tryouts. The NBA is 10 days out from the first pre season game.......

[SSJ-S15]

Tryouts. The NBA is 10 days out from the first pre season game.......

https://i.imgur.com/7q2QqbO.jpg

[VNG704]

Bye bye net neutrality. It's what happens when you drain the swamp and fill it with more swamp.

[RalliartRsX]

And hello taxes on everyone to feed the rich!

How the fuck does one write in the fact that folks with private jets, the maintenance, purchase and fuel cost is a tax write of?!?!

Yep, this is the guy all the trump voters voted in. Literally voting against your best interest.

[exitspeed]

And hello taxes on everyone to feed the rich!

How the fuck does one write in the fact that folks with private jets, the maintenance, purchase and fuel cost is a tax write of?!?!

Yep, this is the guy all the trump voters voted in. Literally voting against your best interest.

Yep, "end of the world"...again. :facepalm:

[exitspeed]

Yep, "end of the world"...again. :facepalm:

Just some advice for most of you:
http://www.storyarts.org/library/aesops/stories/boy.html

[Phlip]

And down goes Tillerson.
This administration has the turnover rate of a McDonald's in the hood.
This administration has the dropout rate of an inner city high school going through a spate of pregnancies

[RalliartRsX]

.........and installs pompeo.......a man with trump bromance which rivals the Jersey Shore.

Man, I cannot get tired of all this winning. So much winning.......

These changes are going to have lasting effects on the US as a whole, both domestically and especially internationally.

I wonder how the PA election will turn out?? If its as close as polls suggest (yes, polls cannot be trusted I know :( ), the this will be interesting. trump won PA by 21 points. If the Repub candidate just barely squeaks out a victory, that may put the GOP on notice. They JUST now started pouring $$$$ into the race due to having a lackluster candidate who was just ridding the Washington GOP coat tails.

Time will tell

[Phlip]

Build the wall!
[link (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-military-cant-build-trumps-border-wall-heres-why-he-keeps-insisting-it-can/ar-AAve83D?li=BBnb7Kz)]
Build the wall!
Sooner or later, this man will learn to listen to his advisers and accept that he got elected on the back of horrible and unfeasible ideas. The failure of the worst of those ideas are simply the proof of how bad they were all along.

[RalliartRsX]

Remember that time when he said Mexico will pay for the wall??

Yeah, that was a big fucking lie. Now he wants the people of the US (through the military), and their hard earned tax payer dollars, to pay for the wall.

Anyone tired of winning yet??

[exitspeed]

Remember that time when he said Mexico will pay for the wall??

Yeah, that was a big fucking lie. Now he wants the people of the US (through the military), and their hard earned tax payer dollars, to pay for the wall.

Anyone tired of winning yet??

Not yet. Literally bought a car because of the tax break, helping the better than expected booming economy.

Also how upset were you with all of Obama’s lies? Just curious.

[RalliartRsX]

Not yet. Literally bought a car because of the tax break, helping the better than expected booming economy.

Also how upset were you with all of Obama’s lies? Just curious.

.......And how upset were you when Cambridge Analytical used your own biases and outrageous lies in Ads to swing the vote by 70K in those swing states??

But I guess the $1.50 you saved on your monthly paycheck allowed you to buy that brand spanking new Porsche $150,000 GT3 RS. To me, that's a solid financial decision :2f2f:

But hey, its cool. Since we are talking about a border wall, that trump blatantly lied about when telling us all that Mexico will pay for it, and then turns around and is trying to put his hands in that same pocket you used to pull the cash to your new car..........yep, keep pivoting to a none point as compared to admitting.........HE LIED!!!

Because you know, Border Wall = Tax Cut :)

https://static-eu-central-1.theguardiansofdemocracy.com/uploads/2018/02/paul-ryan.jpg

[Phlip]

But hey, its cool. Since we are talking about a border wall, that trump blatantly lied about when telling us all that Mexico will pay for it, and then turns around and is trying to put his hands in that same pocket you used to pull the cash to your new car..........yep, keep pivoting to a none point as compared to admitting.........HE LIED!!!

Because you know, Border Wall = Tax Cut :)



Mexico was never going to pay for that wall. It was the stupidest thing that anyone was stupid enough to ever believe. At this point, even people in his own party are using whatever means they can to not-so-subtly suggest to him to let it the fuck go. This is probably in hopes that his supporters feel properly betrayed when it never materializes and the US voting public puts them out of their (The GOP's) hair.
Instead of taking the hint, this guy instead decides to try to change the story and say that it should be the military's bill to foot since, you know, they are the ones holding all the cash now. This will never get any better.
And it is ALL Obama and Hillary's fault, remember that and don't let anyone ever let anyone convince you to forget it.

[RalliartRsX]

......but But BUT!!! What about her emails?? We never found her EMAILS!!! That's what we should focus on,

That and the deep state. yeah, the deep state!!

P.S To personally attack the same people tasked with protecting you and your family?? What a fucking shitty and potentially suicidal move. Literally suicidal........

Just dumb........

[exitspeed]

.......And how upset were you when Cambridge Analytical used your own biases and outrageous lies in Ads to swing the vote by 70K in those swing states??

But I guess the $1.50 you saved on your monthly paycheck allowed you to buy that brand spanking new Porsche $150,000 GT3 RS. To me, that's a solid financial decision :2f2f:

But hey, its cool. Since we are talking about a border wall, that trump blatantly lied about when telling us all that Mexico will pay for it, and then turns around and is trying to put his hands in that same pocket you used to pull the cash to your new car..........yep, keep pivoting to a none point as compared to admitting.........HE LIED!!!

Because you know, Border Wall = Tax Cut :)

https://static-eu-central-1.theguardiansofdemocracy.com/uploads/2018/02/paul-ryan.jpg

I’d share how much we’re saving each month with the new tax but that’s none of your damn business. I can confirm it’s more that $1.50.

And Obama’s lies. Repeatedly. Not sure what planet you live on, but in my world I’m aware politians lie. On both sides of the isle. Get off your high horse and back to reality.

[RalliartRsX]

You do realize Obama is NOT our president right?? Shit, he hasn't been our president in more than a year.........if you haven't realized.

Now with that said, why the hell are you still on his dick?? If he lies now, how does that affect your financial bottom line?? Your family?? Your alarm clock?? Shit, if HRC lies, how in the world does that affect anything in your universe?? The answer is: It doesn't. And that's a fact no matter how you want to twist it. However, in hindsight, I can equate your constant pivot to Obama as that girlfriend who broke up with you and told you "its her not you". NO matter how much you tell yourself she is an asshole, you have shrine of her in your basement and just can't quit she was so good. Then you constantly try to compare her to your new squeeze but with disastrous results. I guess we can hold Obama in that same light right??

trump is your president. And when he lies, your life IS affected.......no matter how many times you tell yourself it's Obama's fault. Obama has been out of the lime light for almost a year doing his own thing. Get off it already. You should probably take a page out of his book and focus on current issues. And not focus on NON issues from the past. You constantly fail to give Obama credit for the current economy among other things, but please do tell me otherwise........

And yet, you still choose to not accept your president lies.

You know the situation is critical if no lawyer within 500 miles of lawyer city DC wants to be honored by serving the president. That's a big fucking deal.....Like YYUUUUGGGEEEELLLYYYY Big. Like, the Biggest. Like the best Biggest of the Bestest of deals.......

But please do tell, with that in mind, how I am not living in reality........ ;)

[exitspeed]

You do realize Obama is NOT our president right?? Shit, he hasn't been our president in more than a year.........if you haven't realized.

Now with that said, why the hell are you still on his dick?? If he lies now, how does that affect your financial bottom line?? Your family?? Your alarm clock?? Shit, if HRC lies, how in the world does that affect anything in your universe?? The answer is: It doesn't. And that's a fact no matter how you want to twist it. However, in hindsight, I can equate your constant pivot to Obama as that girlfriend who broke up with you and told you "its her not you". NO matter how much you tell yourself she is an asshole, you have shrine of her in your basement and just can't quit she was so good. Then you constantly try to compare her to your new squeeze but with disastrous results. I guess we can hold Obama in that same light right??

trump is your president. And when he lies, your life IS affected.......no matter how many times you tell yourself it's Obama's fault. Obama has been out of the lime light for almost a year doing his own thing. Get off it already. You should probably take a page out of his book and focus on current issues. And not focus on NON issues from the past. You constantly fail to give Obama credit for the current economy among other things, but please do tell me otherwise........

And yet, you still choose to not accept your president lies.

You know the situation is critical if no lawyer within 500 miles of lawyer city DC wants to be honored by serving the president. That's a big fucking deal.....Like YYUUUUGGGEEEELLLYYYY Big. Like, the Biggest. Like the best Biggest of the Bestest of deals.......

But please do tell, with that in mind, how I am not living in reality........ ;)

:facepalm:

[RalliartRsX]

.......about the response I expected. I am sure the face palm is a shot across the trump bow because you are finally going to accept trump lies as well, he IS the topic of discussion and not some former president. Good. Glad we are on the same page :2f2f:

Thanks for you time :)

[Future240]

Devil's advocate here.


I get an extra $100 a month from the tax bill in take home money.


On the subject of the wall, I agree with Phlip. It was asinine to believe he would make a foreign country pay for the wall.


I have major doubts now he will get it built since the omnibus bill specifically excludes funds for said wall.

[exitspeed]

.......about the response I expected.

Thanks for you time :)



Likewise x2.

[Phlip]

I have major doubts now he will get it built since the omnibus bill specifically excludes funds for said wall.

I think it is a setup. They specifically included the language to get his panties in a bunch, which seems to happen so easily. Then he takes to doing stupid shit like included in the link with which I bumped this thread this morning. THEN he actively attempts to do some shit that, constitutionally, he cannot do.
Then, in the shame of having accomplished next to nothing he said he would in the campaign trail, they get to primary him if he hasn't resigned before 2020.
Personally, I prefer him being primaried and/or losing an election to him resigning and landing us with any amount of time in a Pence presidency.

[RalliartRsX]

Devil's advocate here.


I get an extra $100 a month from the tax bill in take home money.


On the subject of the wall, I agree with Phlip. It was asinine to believe he would make a foreign country pay for the wall.


I have major doubts now he will get it built since the omnibus bill specifically excludes funds for said wall.

And I will play Devil's advocate as well

1) the tax bill is sunsets in 2025 for everyone but the top 5%. Not permanent. Also, there is a good chance those same savings just evaporated after the 1.3 Trillion spending bill. Essentially, they were banking on folks seeing a minor increase in their paycheck until right after 2018 midterms. Who is going to pay for all this spending since now earnings are negative for the tax cut?? To be entirely honest, $100 is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. Now, does it help individuals?? abso freacking lutely. No denying that for sure. Is it permanent?? I wouldn't bet on it
Remember; your health insurance for instance is still going up (just one example). And the reason it is continually increasing is not solely based on the ACA. That's a fact.
Your monthly increased intake will evaporate very quickly.

P.S Those Tarriffs trump lackadaisically signed?? Drove up metal costs some 12%- 30% literally immediately based off which metal is in question (and that is taking into account US production). Yeah, those super Rays wheels just went up in price. Yeah, $100 just evaporated in shipping costs........And no, the US production will never suffice the commodity deficit. Also, we have a trade positive with Canada (which trump lied to the Canadian president about..........and I have no idea why lied about it!)

2) Still no where close to what the top percent is making in regards to the tax plan. Still lopsided.

But either way, my point is; trump lies. Simple. Pivoting to taxes, Obama and how many tattoos Chris Brown has was never the topic of discussion.

[gbaby2089]

With these raw material tariffs, our economy is going to be so, so, so fucked.

Hey Trump supporters, why do you hate capitalism?

[Phlip]

With these raw material tariffs, our economy is going to be so, so, so fucked.

Hey Trump supporters, why do you hate capitalism?
The costs of the tariffs will be met with an increase in the costs of EVERYTHING dependent on those raw goods, which is eventually every. fucking. thing. The argument could become "well more people will buy American," but the fact remains that buying American for these kinds of things has always been noticeably more expensive.
So everything people THINK they got back on the GOP Tax $cam will be offset by the increase of the cost of everything we want and need.

[RalliartRsX]

Rust belt fails to accept automation and cheap child labor over in China. But....... it's Obama's fault!!! Because he has control over how China produced anything....while also not being our current president.

All the cheap goods trump supporters and in all honesty the entire North America enjoy was NOT produced in America. Start producing in America?? Yeah now no one can afford anything


Remember people; child Chinese labor and automation in the case of robots don't have labor unions, need vacation with pay or need health insurance....that get rolled into production costs

You can't have your cake and eat it as well. But yeah, Obama is to blame..it's always Obama right?

[feito]

Well, I haven't felt any of trumps mistakes all of you leftist complain so much about. What I did feel was the penalty I was charge with when I did my taxes this year. It adds up after a few years, and this year it really bothered me. But it can't be obama's fault, right?

And honestly I was never a big fan of him, but seeing how the loosing candidate keeps acting so long after loosing, I think we made the right choice.

[RalliartRsX]

You do know the tax hit you took this year is the gop/ trump plan right? So essentially you're entire first statement is based off a falsehood. The tax plan was changed late last year and why the filling date was pushed back and also why the IRS was scrambling to update the code.

So thank your glorious leader for screwing you over.....I guess the gop plan worked as intended....

And I'm not a leftist BTW, but thanks for basing your assertions on nothing...

Also the losing candidate was HRC, no Obama.....

Not trying to be a dick, but I'm struggling to understand your post due to incorrect and inconsistent information.

[Phlip]

Care about yourself in the here and now if you like.
$50 on a paycheck seems like "oh my god, Trump loves us!" No, he loves that media that created him more than he will EVER love you. Scroll up to post 793 in this very thread for why 9,100 is SO worth it to you that you'll pawn the bill for that shit off on your kids for the rest of forever. The public debt doesn't just go away, and like anyone who has been late on a credit card will tell you that shit tends to come back uglier than it left you. THis administration is angering republicans in congress with this fuckery. This will not end pretty and I would sooner throw the $50 more in my paycheck than to see my daughter's generation footing the bill for it. Hell, I did more for myself than your president did in -- gasp -- working hard and earning a promotion.

[RalliartRsX]

But Phlip, I bought a new car! El presidente must be doing something right for that to happen. He MUST! Obama doesn't have a birth certificate, so he is the reason we were fucked for 8 years man. Don't you see it?

[feito]

I was refering to the obamacare penalty and to sore looser hillary...

[RalliartRsX]

Edit. No need

[RalliartRsX]

Did a bit of digging on the insurance fee
It's 695 or 2.9% whichever is higher. So that equates to $58 a month, way cheaper than if you actually purchased insurance. And better yet, when you go to the ER or a doctors visit, you can kindly pass off the bill to the tax payer as by law, no hospital can turn you away. Great, thanks for being the tax burden which necessitated such a change and what all the trump supporters complain about.....essentially themselves indirectly

....In all honesty they should have charged what would be equivalent to the lowest health insurance premium so atleast people properly pay their way

HRC has been out of the lime light until a few weeks ago. I would also be pissed if I learned the election was essentially tosses by data mining by Cambridge Analytica because people have inherent biases...again non starter about HRCs behavior

Anything else?

[feito]

Why do you automatically assume I wouldn't pay my er bill? hahaha
And my penalty was more than that. So I paid that and my bills, yet free loaders keep freeloading and reproducing...

[RalliartRsX]

So you have enough to pay an easy 5000 ER bull but not willing to pay health insurance or get pissed when paying a penalty?

An ambulance ride is at minimum 1-1500 without actually getting into the hospital.

Yep free loaders. My grand mother who has been out of work for several years (after working for 55 years prior) who can't afford an ambulance ride because she lost all her 401k in the stock market crash is a free loader?

There are lots more people on the world apart from your supposed freeloaders... but yep free loaders

[gbaby2089]

So you have enough to pay an easy 5000 ER bull but not willing to pay health insurance or get pissed when paying a penalty?

An ambulance ride is at minimum 1-1500 without actually getting into the hospital.

Yep free loaders. My grand mother who has been out of work for several years (after working for 55 years prior) who can't afford an ambulance ride because she lost all her 401k in the stock market crash is a free loader?

There are lots more people on the world apart from your supposed freeloaders... but yep free loaders

You're responding to a guy who doesn't realize he is one of the very 'freeloaders' he detests so much.

Remember, "“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”"

[kyral]

seems like a great thread to lose reputation posting on

[exitspeed]

But Phlip, I bought a new car! El presidente must be doing something right for that to happen. He MUST! Obama doesn't have a birth certificate, so he is the reason we were fucked for 8 years man. Don't you see it?

Thought we weren’t bringing up Obama anymore. Why are you so fixated on him? Lol.




See what I did there?

Also, sorry in advance if that wasn’t the hard hitting deep response you were looking for (but should be expecting).

[RalliartRsX]

Thought we weren’t bringing up Obama anymore. Why are you so fixated on him? Lol.




See what I did there?

Also, sorry in advance if that wasn’t the hard hitting deep response you were looking for (but should be expecting).

Wait what??

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/44/f7/15/44f7157c6f3542422199d5502017806b.gif

[RalliartRsX]

Why are you here posting as compared to enjoying that brand new car trump and his team afforded you?

I know if I had a shiny new item I wouldn't be wasting my time on Zilvia hahahahah!

[gbaby2089]

I bought my first new car in the midst of the 2008/9 financial melt down.

THANK GOODNESS WE WERE ALL DOING SO WELL.

[simmode1]

seems like a great thread to lose reputation posting on
This. It's so entertaining to read though...:keke:

[RalliartRsX]

LOL! If anyone is negative repping someone based off a difference in political view then they are part of the problem...........

Not picking on Exitspeed, however although Exitspeed and myself have a difference in political views, I have NEVER neg. rep him. Simple. Actually, now thinking of it I have NEVER neg. rep someone based off this thread. It's part of being an adult and being able to discuss topics without reverting to personal attacks me thinks.

[RalliartRsX]

P.S Maybe I should as there have been some blatantly racist and homophobic comments in this thread outside of a difference in political views........

[simmode1]

P.S Maybe I should as there have been some blatantly racist and homophobic comments in this thread outside of a difference in political views........
That part...:coolugh:

[Future240]

While we cannot stop it, considering the nature of loud noises I would hope no one is neg repping people.


I have posi repped a few people though.

[exitspeed]

LOL! If anyone is negative repping someone based off a difference in political view then they are part of the problem...........

Not picking on Exitspeed, however although Exitspeed and myself have a difference in political views, I have NEVER neg. rep him. Simple. Actually, now thinking of it I have NEVER neg. rep someone based off this thread. It's part of being an adult and being able to discuss topics without reverting to personal attacks me thinks.

Neither have I. I could rep murder pretty much everyone in here except Phlip but I’m not that petty. I have no problem with people having other political views.

[gbaby2089]

I perceived the "lose reputation on" as making oneself look like an ass. Not as in the rep system on the site.

[Phlip]

LOL! If anyone is negative repping someone based off a difference in political view then they are part of the problem...........

Perhaps not a difference of political opinion, but I FULLY understand if it is in response to some of the over the top bigoted speech that made it into this thread.
I find it funny the people who have gotten themselves into the dark red in a thread where their responses don't even go towards their overall post count.

For Example:
[719 (http://zilvia.net/f/showpost.php?p=6226458&postcount=719)]

[740 (http://zilvia.net/f/showpost.php?p=6226687&postcount=740)]

crying ass shame

[Future240]

Ah yes, post 719. I caught it post snip but still, wow.

[SimpleS14]

A lot of damage has already been done behind all the distractions, actions and words 45 & the administration has put up. Hopefully this is a hard lesson learned and some corrections are made before it gets significantly worse.

[RalliartRsX]

45: So Mexico will pay for the wall right?? America, you will not pay a single dime for the wall!
Congress: Ahhh no sir, you cannot force another country to pay for your own wall......

45: So the army will pay for it right??
Congress: No sir, that is actually against the constitution and is actually illegal........

45: So remove troops from Syria and have them guard the unbuilt wall right??
Congress: No Sir, Congress does not allow deployment of troops on American soil unless there is a declaration of war........

45: Well fuck, lets get the National Guard to do it??
Congress: Technically sir, no, they cannot do it explicitly.

Congress: Pop quiz mr. 45; how do you spell Constitution??
45: (No) C-o-l-l-u-s-i-o-n. Nailed it!

45: Well fuck, I am going to sign some meaningless document anyways and post complete lies and fabricated stories about Amazon (which in all honesty, is propping up the Postal Service) and keep hammering home lies. Constant lies.

Congress: Do whatever the hell you please. I have to shore up the farmers (who voted for you) who your Tarriffs directly affect. Good work! So thanks for forcing me work weekends and holidays unnecessarily and unscrew things you screwed up!

Holy shit. And that was just Monday to Wednesday of this week hahahahah!

Man, 45 delivers!

[gbaby2089]

I have zero sympathy for this puppet congress.

[Phlip]

So

When Mexico decides to buy corn and whatever the fuck ever they been buying from the US from Argentina, while simultaneously upping the price of everything they sell...
WHILE
The price of everything going up due to the fact that buying American instead of Chinese has always been more expensive AND China raising the price of shit to offset tariffs.
AND
National guard troops are convened to babysit the border.
And THEN
The American public takes this shit out on the executive and legislative branches.

Will we accept that this presidency was a failed experiment, or will we look for ways to blame Obama?

[exitspeed]

If and when.

The sky is falling. The sky is falling.

That’s all I hear in this thread. The tariffs on both sides don’t take effect for 6 months. This is all a negotiating tactic. Let’s see how it actually pans out and then we’ll talk. If both countries haven’t removed them in like 2-3 months I’ll start getting worried.

The exact same thing came from the Right when Obama was elected. The country was going to go to hell. I remember it clearly.

[gbaby2089]

Except when we say the sky is falling because idiots on the right are doing shitty backward things....the idiots on the right ARE ACTIVELY DOING THOSE THINGS.

Conversely, how many liberals took your guns again? I'll wait.

[Phlip]

It is an AWFUL negotiating tactic.
I can't tell if your president is stupid enough to believe his own bullshit, or if he is just trolling the whole world. Mexico and China calling his bluff -- which they ASSUREDLY hold the cards to do, especially China -- is all it will take.

[exitspeed]

Except when we say the sky is falling because idiots on the right are doing shitty backward things....the idiots on the right ARE ACTIVELY DOING THOSE THINGS.

Conversely, how many liberals took your guns again? I'll wait.

But the economy hasn’t crashed. It may.

A nuclear was hasn’t been started. It may.

The tariffs haven’t effected ANYTHING. It may.

There’s probably 10 other things I could list off that people have been crying about since he was elected that haven’t come true or been effected negatively.

Chicken Little.


It’s a matter of perspective though and no amount of defense is going to even minutely change anyone’s views in this thread because your minds are made up.

[gbaby2089]

But the economy hasn’t crashed. It may.

A nuclear was hasn’t been started. It may.

The tariffs haven’t effected ANYTHING. It may.

There’s probably 10 other things I could list off that people have been crying about since he was elected that haven’t come true or been effected negatively.

Chicken Little.


It’s a matter of perspective though and no amount of defense is going to even minutely change anyone’s views in this thread because your minds are made up.

Do you not realize how catastrophically low you're setting the bar for YOUR president? Has he directly caused economy or military catastrophy? HE'S A GREAT PRESIDENT. You're an embarrassment dude.

Also, the tariffs have effected things. I've firsthand seen the prices of raw materials/fittings/etc., SKYROCKET. 304 SS tubing is much pricier now than it was three months ago.

But hey, that doesn't matter to dudes like you & Trump where facts don't matter.

Maybe you should turn off channel 18 CW WVTV, you're taking in too much Sinclair broadcasting group drivel.

[Phlip]

Do you not realize how catastrophically low you're setting the bar for YOUR president? Has he directly caused economy or military catastrophy? HE'S A GREAT PRESIDENT. You're an embarrassment dude.

Also, the tariffs have effected things. I've firsthand seen the prices of raw materials/fittings/etc., SKYROCKET. 304 SS tubing is much pricier now than it was three months ago.

But hey, that doesn't matter to dudes like you & Trump where facts don't matter.

Maybe you should turn off channel 18 CW WVTV, you're taking in too much Sinclair broadcasting group drivel.
Here we go again, Chicken Little.
Give Caesar Trumpus five years to fix all of this. Ignore his "so fast your head will spin" promises and focus on how unfairly the media and Congress have treated him.
You libtards wanted us to give you a million years to Hail King Obama and now won't give Trump a chance.

[exitspeed]

Do you not realize how catastrophically low you're setting the bar for YOUR president? Has he directly caused economy or military catastrophy? HE'S A GREAT PRESIDENT. You're an embarrassment dude.

Also, the tariffs have effected things. I've firsthand seen the prices of raw materials/fittings/etc., SKYROCKET. 304 SS tubing is much pricier now than it was three months ago.

But hey, that doesn't matter to dudes like you & Trump where facts don't matter.

Maybe you should turn off channel 18 CW WVTV, you're taking in too much Sinclair broadcasting group drivel.

I have no idea what Sinclair is. But thanks for the continued judgement.

You guys need to seek out a class for your anger.

Lol. An embarrassment. Again, nothing you say effects my life. I give zero fucks about what you think about me. I honestly shouldn’t even be giving you the time of day because it’s 100% not worth it.

Also, I’m definitely above neg repping for a difference of opinion. I’m not however against neg repping for personal attacks. Consider that your notice.

[feito]

Except when we say the sky is falling because idiots on the right are doing shitty backward things....the idiots on the right ARE ACTIVELY DOING THOSE THINGS.

Conversely, how many liberals took your guns again? I'll wait.
'86 made autos nearly impossible to obtain to the common folk. Cali, along with many other states have extremely unfair legal restrictions including magazine capacity, gun modifications and ammo purchasing laws. Many states are this close to banning ar15's and bump stock are about to go.
So, yeah, they've taken a lot away, little by little, an inch at a time. The smart way to do it, and they'll never be pleased until they take it all.
Also, you sound angry.
https://i.imgur.com/mMOiMcIl.jpg

[gbaby2089]

TFW you're in your thirties & the only way to justify your shitty political beliefs (to yourself) is making fun of high school children who survived a mass shooting.

I pity you.

[gbaby2089]

I have no idea what Sinclair is. But thanks for the continued judgement.

You guys need to seek out a class for your anger.

Lol. An embarrassment. Again, nothing you say effects my life. I give zero fucks about what you think about me. I honestly shouldn’t even be giving you the time of day because it’s 100% not worth it.

Also, I’m definitely above neg repping for a difference of opinion. I’m not however against neg repping for personal attacks. Consider that your notice.

You have no idea because you don't care.

You don't care to look outside your conservative bubble to do research on....anything.

[feito]

TFW you're in your thirties & the only way to justify your shitty political beliefs (to yourself) is making fun of high school children who survived a mass shooting.

I pity you.
TFW you were delivered what you asked for and you change the subject.
They're children playing grown up games. They'll be treated as such. They are the real face of liberalism, they insult and attack anybody that opposes them, but god forbids you treat them the same way 'cause then you're a bigot bully fascist nazi.
Oh, btw, they look awefully happy, don't they? As if the chance they had been waiting for their entire lives finally came up!

https://i.imgur.com/ojaZTwC.jpg

[exitspeed]

You have no idea because you don't care.

You don't care to look outside your conservative bubble to do research on....anything.

I’m like the least bubble conservative you can imagine. But go ahead and keeping assuming you know me.

[sidewaysil80]

Well my 401k is averaging 14% and peaked as high as 20% last quarter. I compared my paycheck to last years and after subtracting pay raise the percentage of Federal taxes dropped. Trump sure does make me cringe with some of the shit he says but damn, from a fiscal perspective we cool.

[exitspeed]

Well my 401k is averaging 14% and peaked as high as 20% last quarter. I compared my paycheck to last years and after subtracting pay raise the percentage of Federal taxes dropped. Trump sure does make me cringe with some of the shit he says but damn, from a fiscal perspective we cool.

He makes me cringe as well. But like you said, I ain’t mad at him on the financial tip yet. If shit goes south with these tariffs I’ll be singing another tune though.

[gbaby2089]

TFW you were delivered what you asked for and you change the subject.
They're children playing grown up games. They'll be treated as such. They are the real face of liberalism, they insult and attack anybody that opposes them, but god forbids you treat them the same way 'cause then you're a bigot bully fascist nazi.
Oh, btw, they look awefully happy, don't they? As if the chance they had been waiting for their entire lives finally came up!

https://i.imgur.com/ojaZTwC.jpg

What grown up games are they playing? Not wanting their classmates & countless others slaughtered? Outsmarting adults, congressmen included?

They smiled among friends days/weeks after a tragedy. That's part of the human condition. One of my best friends killed himself, it was entirely unexpected, my life was torn apart, after his burial I got a meal with other friends that knew him. I smiled, I laughed, I enjoyed celebrating his life & carrying on with my own. Being human even after tragedy unfolds, what a concept.

:picardfp:

Well my 401k is averaging 14% and peaked as high as 20% last quarter. I compared my paycheck to last years and after subtracting pay raise the percentage of Federal taxes dropped. Trump sure does make me cringe with some of the shit he says but damn, from a fiscal perspective we cool.

lol. Great long term big picture thinking.

[feito]

Outsmarting adults, congressmen included?.
Hahahahahaha that is way too funny. I can't take you seriously after that . Bye

[sidewaysil80]

lol. Great long term big picture thinking.
Deregulation theory seems to be working and tax plan put more money in my pocket. Gains are gains, when/if the economy starts going down I’ll reassess but for now I’m happy and with 3% growth on the horizon I don’t know what “big picture” concern I should have.

[exitspeed]

Conversely, how many liberals took your guns again? I'll wait.

Thanks for being patient.

http://www.wfmynews2.com/mobile/article/news/nation-world/illinois-town-bans-assault-weapons-will-fine-those-who-keep-them/83-535867699

http://www.dailycamera.com/news/boulder/ci_31785817/100-plus-speak-boulder-city-council-considers-ban

http://fox59.com/2018/04/08/indianapolis-councilman-to-introduce-resolution-that-looks-to-ban-assault-weapons-in-the-city/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/04/07/federal-judge-upholds-massachusetts-ban-ar-15-large-capacity-magazines/495781002/

I could paste more but this is easier.

http://bfy.tw/HY4O

[RalliartRsX]

Thanks for being patient.

http://www.wfmynews2.com/mobile/article/news/nation-world/illinois-town-bans-assault-weapons-will-fine-those-who-keep-them/83-535867699

http://www.dailycamera.com/news/boulder/ci_31785817/100-plus-speak-boulder-city-council-considers-ban

http://fox59.com/2018/04/08/indianapolis-councilman-to-introduce-resolution-that-looks-to-ban-assault-weapons-in-the-city/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/04/07/federal-judge-upholds-massachusetts-ban-ar-15-large-capacity-magazines/495781002/

I could paste more but this is easier.

http://bfy.tw/HY4O

I am not sure how you are equate all 5 of those cases to liberals. Reading through, here my quick notes (P.S all the information can be found within the first few sentences of each on of your postings.......)

1) No name town in IL (I had to dig to find it being Deerfield, IL lol). In this case, it wasn't a "liberal" taking away "your" guns, it was an entire town that introduced the bill which moved through council. Vote was passed unanimous 6-0 by board of trustees. So no, not a liberal taking away your guns......
Isn't this how the voting process is suppose to occur?? As far as I am concerned, this follows the letter of the law and is exactly how bills and debates are supposed to occur. Also, town in IL, no affect on you......

2) NOT passed as of yet. It is literally a reading of the introduced bill. And again, this went through a 5 hour long hearing, with arguments from BOTH sides. Again, BOTH SIDES. not just liberals foaming at the mount. And again, this is following the process to the T of the law and how it should be done. I will quote a text that appears within the first two lines of the story. Also, Boulder is pretty evenly split down the middle; 33% liberals, 33% Dem, 33% Rep due to the rising Millennial population, the old guard but also the Military/Air base. So again, not liberals trying to take away YOUR guns in a state you do NOT live in.......

The Boulder City Council on Thursday night unanimously passed on first reading an ordinance that bans the sale and possession of certain firearms defined as assault weapons.

The council adjourned following a more than five-hour-long meeting where nearly 150 people signed up to speak for and against the proposed ordinance, which would also prohibit high-capacity magazines and bump stocks, a device that allows a semi-automatic weapon to be fired more like a fully automatic rifle. By the end of the evening, about 111 people actually spoke, according to Councilmember Sam Weaver.



3) Again, nothing is passed. Duke (a Indianapolis councilman) "introduced a resolution". Its not law yet and no member of an Indiana City councilman is allowed to pass a bill. Only to introduce it.......He is however a Democrat, but not necessarily a liberal. There IS a difference. In a little reading, he also supports labor unions. So yeah, he could very well be a liberal....

4) Again, all the information is within the first paragraph. A federal judge UPHELD, not INSTITUTED the current ban. Ban was in place before liberals were a thing........

A federal district court judge in Boston has upheld the state's ban on assault weapons – AR-15 semi-automatic rifles and large-capacity magazines – finding that the issue is not a constitutional matter but one for each state to determine on its own politically.

So in each of your case, if you just read past the first few sentences, none of these would have supported your point of view......

So no, in all 4 or your postings does it state a liberal is trying to take away your guns.

Also, I would like to point out the hypocrisy of your post. Theoretically speaking mind you, but the same underlying concept prevails. If you have a bill/idea/etc to introduce extended magazine 9mm piston, wouldn't it be fair to also go through the same process to argue your case?? How is it different that someone else is arguing against your stance?? Do you see the hypocrisy in your post??

In 3 of the 4 cases above, people are moving to introduce a bill they see is a solution to school violence and not a direct shot at taking away your guns. If you legally own and "operate" your weapons, what does it matter to you anywho?? You are a law abiding gun owner correct??
IJS.

[exitspeed]

I am not sure how you are equate all 5 of those cases to liberals. Reading through, here my quick notes (P.S all the information can be found within the first few sentences of each on of your postings.......)

1) No name town in IL (I had to dig to find it being Deerfield, IL lol). In this case, it wasn't a "liberal" taking away "your" guns, it was an entire town that introduced the bill which moved through council. Vote was passed unanimous 6-0 by board of trustees. So no, not a liberal taking away your guns......
Isn't this how the voting process is suppose to occur?? As far as I am concerned, this follows the letter of the law and is exactly how bills and debates are supposed to occur. Also, town in IL, no affect on you......

2) NOT passed as of yet. It is literally a reading of the introduced bill. And again, this went through a 5 hour long hearing, with arguments from BOTH sides. Again, BOTH SIDES. not just liberals foaming at the mount. And again, this is following the process to the T of the law and how it should be done. I will quote a text that appears within the first two lines of the story. Also, Boulder is pretty evenly split down the middle; 33% liberals, 33% Dem, 33% Rep due to the rising Millennial population, the old guard but also the Military/Air base. So again, not liberals trying to take away YOUR guns in a state you do NOT live in.......




3) Again, nothing is passed. Duke (a Indianapolis councilman) "introduced a resolution". Its not law yet and no member of an Indiana City councilman is allowed to pass a bill. Only to introduce it.......He is however a Democrat, but not necessarily a liberal. There IS a difference. In a little reading, he also supports labor unions. So yeah, he could very well be a liberal....

4) Again, all the information is within the first paragraph. A federal judge UPHELD, not INSTITUTED the current ban. Ban was in place before liberals were a thing........



So in each of your case, if you just read past the first few sentences, none of these would have supported your point of view......

So no, in all 4 or your postings does it state a liberal is trying to take away your guns.

Also, I would like to point out the hypocrisy of your post. Theoretically speaking mind you, but the same underlying concept prevails. If you have a bill/idea/etc to introduce extended magazine 9mm piston, wouldn't it be fair to also go through the same process to argue your case?? How is it different that someone else is arguing against your stance?? Do you see the hypocrisy in your post??

In 3 of the 4 cases above, people are moving to introduce a bill they see is a solution to school violence and not a direct shot at taking away your guns. If you legally own and "operate" your weapons, what does it matter to you anywho?? You are a law abiding gun owner correct??
IJS.

I feel like posting just to see how much of your day I can waste. Thanks for the dissertation that still shows guns are being banned.

Also, I don’t own a single gun. IJS.

Keep assuming guys. You’re like 0 for 10 right now. Lol. :kiss:

[RalliartRsX]

Ok Exitspeed.

Since you refuse to read my dissertation I will ask a couple quick questions below (or I recommend you actually read your own posted articles). Also, do not cast stones as you as well are playing the hypocrite as you labeled me as a "liberal" without knowing me, but I digress......

All I said was "you are a law abiding gun owner correct??" which escalates my prior sentence statement........But again, I digress and will move on from the "assumptions" argument.

Questions: You said in your earlier posts that unless it begins to affect you, you are maintaining status quo, correct?? So with that said, the ban on guns NOT IN YOUR STATE or which does not affect you (since well, you know, you do not own a gun) shouldn't be of your concern correct?? So which is it then??

You don't own a gun, but oh shit, the liberals are taking away our guns (which I wont even mention the fact that NONE of your articles posted necessarily supports your stance, but anyways.........)! Liberals are the reason we cant have nice things......but you don't own a gun, so why do you care in which case some of these ordinances were already in place, so why do you care?? How can a liberal take away something.....that was already "taken away"?? How does that make even remote sense??

I still just do not get your argument at times You keep talking out of both sides of your mouth.......

And I am glad to waste my day learning about actual stories and forming proper informative arguments. Iam no gun owner, and in all honesty, I do not have a stance one way or another. I just simply do not have enough information (outside of school shootings) to form a proper stance in my eyes.

However, I am glad reading and critical thinking is considered a waste of your time. I am perfectly OK with that.

[Future240]

Gun control is popular with both sides now. While there is a left bias for control it is not just liberals.


https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2018/04/05/ohio-gun-control-laws-john-kasich-republicans/488783002/


and lets not forget the potus himself on bump stocks.


https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/10/592602846/trump-administration-moves-to-ban-bump-stocks


I am a law abiding gun owner and I support tighter controls, like better background checks but not all out banning. Prohibition has never worked.


This thing of seizing guns of people who are considered a threat is a knee jerk policy reaction. That is lacking of due process and is ripe for abuse.


I get it. We wont to keep guns out of the hands who misuse them. The left and the right need to come together on this and hash out a plan that has data behind it. No knee jerk, trying to get elected policy making.


Perhaps with the cdc (finally) being allowed to due a study, we can see the problem behind this and come up with a better plan. Mental health for instance seems a good place to start.

[RalliartRsX]

Good post Future.

In the cases of school shooting, in a majority of those cases, the weapon was purchased legally, so yeah. Its tough if you live in a state where gun ownership is legal and you have zero priors (not even a speeding ticket).

Last I checked, the LAS Vegas shooter just loved to gamble........and he lived in Vegas so red flag not found.

As far as all the illegal weapons in circulation, that's a whole can of worms I simply am not able to discuss as I really don't have an answer to how to combat that. Bad guys don't follow laws :(

[gbaby2089]

Good post Future.

In the cases of school shooting, in a majority of those cases, the weapon was purchased legally, so yeah. Its tough if you live in a state where gun ownership is legal and you have zero priors (not even a speeding ticket).

Last I checked, the LAS Vegas shooter just loved to gamble........and he lived in Vegas so red flag not found.

As far as all the illegal weapons in circulation, that's a whole can of worms I simply am not able to discuss as I really don't have an answer to how to combat that. Bad guys don't follow laws :(

He's going to talk about all of the shootings in Chicago & say how their gun laws don't work.

Completely ignoring the free for all that is gun ownership in both Wisconsin & Indiana, aka less than an hour from the city.

[Future240]

He's going to talk about all of the shootings in Chicago & say how their gun laws don't work.

Completely ignoring the free for all that is gun ownership in both Wisconsin & Indiana, aka less than an hour from the city.

You bring up another point. Prohibition in one state but not the other, might as well be no prohibition (see Colorado and weed) as people will find a way.


No one knows the exact right answer. I wish our represented leaders would stop bickering and finger pointing and come together to address the problem.


But instead its much easier to please your base by blaming the other side.

[exitspeed]

Ok Exitspeed.

Since you refuse to read my dissertation I will ask a couple quick questions below (or I recommend you actually read your own posted articles). Also, do not cast stones as you as well are playing the hypocrite as you labeled me as a "liberal" without knowing me, but I digress......

Pretty sure I never called you a Liberal or anything other than your screen name (if I even did that) in this thread. I could be wrong, but off the dome, I don't believe so.


Questions: You said in your earlier posts that unless it begins to affect you, you are maintaining status quo, correct?? So with that said, the ban on guns NOT IN YOUR STATE or which does not affect you (since well, you know, you do not own a gun) shouldn't be of your concern correct?? So which is it then??

You don't own a gun, but oh shit, the liberals are taking away our guns (which I wont even mention the fact that NONE of your articles posted necessarily supports your stance, but anyways.........)! Liberals are the reason we cant have nice things......but you don't own a gun, so why do you care in which case some of these ordinances were already in place, so why do you care?? How can a liberal take away something.....that was already "taken away"?? How does that make even remote sense??

You're pretty much asking the same question, "It doesn't effect me so why should I care" in which I'll say, I'm not gay, but I believe they should have the right to get married. I've never had an abortion but I believe women should have the right to have an abortion. It's a right. I may want to go buy an assault rifle tomorrow. If I do, I don't want to turn around and find out I have to hand it over or face hefty fines.

I'm FOR more common sense gun control, but common sense doesn't mean ban scary weapons or all "semi automatic" fire arms which is ridiculous. Like Future said stricter laws are popular right now and I'm for them. I'm also in the boat that gun laws won't do a god damn thin for mass shootings or the every day gun violence like we see here in Milwaukee.

Again though, lets have a REAL conversation about it and pass things that might actually work. I don't know what that is exactly, but I'm not a law maker.

I still just do not get your argument at times You keep talking out of both sides of your mouth.......[/QUOTE]

I definitely do. I'm a person. Not a label like you keep trying to use and paint me with. I'm a white male who TYPICALLY votes Republican, but also lean Libertarian and center left on many social issues. My life experiences have lead to my beliefs. I do not believe them just to spite you or anyone else.

What I'm very tired of though are two things:

1. The hatefulness and anger coming from everyone who doesn't agree with Trump (in this thread and the country). It's nasty and unproductive. You don't have to agree with everything he says or does, God knows I sure the fuck don't. But to be so vile against anyone who disagrees with you politically is just awful.

2. Holding Tump to a different standard than we held other presidents. I get Obama isn't the President anymore, but he still WAS the president. He LIED. On countless occasions. Whether they were intentional or not is not relevant. And if you weren't calling out Obama at the time that you shouldn't have so much angst about Trump.

I'm not going to keep rambling on and on about this stuff, but let me just say I want to see what actually happens. 3 months ago the media had Trump Tweeting us into a nuclear war. Now here we are with Trump having an unprecedented meeting with Kim Jong-il to discuss nuclear disarmament. It hasn't happened yet, but no one has even gotten this far with it. So lets give it a chance.

That's how I feel about all of it.

The tax changes have been great. Granted my wife and I are "high income" earners, but the tax changes have been fantastic for us. And not just fo a guy on a forum, but for a FAMILY with three special needs kids. It's a big deal to us. Seriously.

/rant

[gbaby2089]

What I'm very tired of though are two things:

1. The hatefulness and anger coming from everyone who doesn't agree with Trump (in this thread and the country). It's nasty and unproductive. You don't have to agree with everything he says or does, God knows I sure the fuck don't. But to be so vile against anyone who disagrees with you politically is just awful.

2. Holding Tump to a different standard than we held other presidents. I get Obama isn't the President anymore, but he still WAS the president. He LIED. On countless occasions. Whether they were intentional or not is not relevant. And if you weren't calling out Obama at the time that you shouldn't have so much angst about Trump.


So we shouldn't hold Trump to the standard that Trump held Obama to?

Remember him saying the POTUS wasn't a citizen? That he's a Kenyan Muslim & therefore not worthy of our trust?

Remember him saying he'd never take a day off or golf in office?

Remember him calling the electoral college a disaster for American democracy?

Remember when he called for people to march on Washington?

Remember when he said "Are you allowed to impeach a president for gross incompetence?" during Obama's second term in office?

Remember when he said "It’s Thursday. How many people have lost their healthcare today?" and then worked to take healthcare from millions of Americans (but failed because he doesn't know the art of the deal)?

Remember when he said, "Barack Obama has a record low 39% Gallup approval rating. Why so high?" but has struggled to ever break that number?

Remember when he said, "ATTN: @HillaryClinton - Why did five of your staffers need FBI IMMUNITY?!" but multiple of his staffers have been arrested, had offices raided, etc.?

How about when he said, "Why is @BarackObama spending millions to try and hide his records? He is the least transparent President--ever--and he ran on transparency," yet has offered even less transparency?

I was not a huge fan of Obama. In hindsight I'm even less a fan of Obama.

But next to Trump, yeah, he was something. If nothing else he gave folks hope, misplaced or not, he gave people something to believe in. A mixed race dude from an immigrant father & a single mom raised largely by his grandparents was elected President of the US. He preached inclusion & betterment for all (whether he practiced that, eh not so much). He was replaced by a fossil of a bygone era, a racist, misogynist who preaches hate, flails wildly at all triggers & engenders scandal with his every move.

We aren't holding Trump to a different standard than previous presidents.

We hold Trump to the same standard we've held every other president too.

He is just incompetent in this position.

inb4 liberal tears comment.

[Phlip]

So we shouldn't hold Trump to the standard that Trump held Obama to?

Remember him saying the POTUS wasn't a citizen? That he's a Kenyan Muslim & therefore not worthy of our trust?

Remember him saying he'd never take a day off or golf in office?

Remember him calling the electoral college a disaster for American democracy?

Remember when he called for people to march on Washington?

Remember when he said "Are you allowed to impeach a president for gross incompetence?" during Obama's second term in office?

Remember when he said "It’s Thursday. How many people have lost their healthcare today?" and then worked to take healthcare from millions of Americans (but failed because he doesn't know the art of the deal)?

Remember when he said, "Barack Obama has a record low 39% Gallup approval rating. Why so high?" but has struggled to ever break that number?

Remember when he said, "ATTN: @HillaryClinton - Why did five of your staffers need FBI IMMUNITY?!" but multiple of his staffers have been arrested, had offices raided, etc.?

How about when he said, "Why is @BarackObama spending millions to try and hide his records? He is the least transparent President--ever--and he ran on transparency," yet has offered even less transparency?

I was not a huge fan of Obama. In hindsight I'm even less a fan of Obama.

But next to Trump, yeah, he was something. If nothing else he gave folks hope, misplaced or not, he gave people something to believe in. A mixed race dude from an immigrant father & a single mom raised largely by his grandparents was elected President of the US. He preached inclusion & betterment for all (whether he practiced that, eh not so much). He was replaced by a fossil of a bygone era, a racist, misogynist who preaches hate, flails wildly at all triggers & engenders scandal with his every move.

We aren't holding Trump to a different standard than previous presidents.

We hold Trump to the same standard we've held every other president too.

He is just incompetent in this position.

inb4 liberal tears comment.
Who hurt you, little snowflake?

[exitspeed]

I don’t think he’s incompetent in the position. I think he’s unconventional and hard to watch.

It’s not the end of the world though and we will see how the next 3 years goes. I’m optimistic. That’s just the attitude I chose to have. Trust me I would have much rather voted for Rubio or Walker.

[gbaby2089]

I don’t think he’s incompetent in the position. I think he’s unconventional and hard to watch.

It’s not the end of the world though and we will see how the next 3 years goes. I’m optimistic. That’s just the attitude I chose to have. Trust me I would have much rather voted for Rubio or Walker.

You live in Wisconsin & say that about Scott Walker?

Oh goodness. :picardfp:

Have you not seen the ways in which he's tried to undermine the sanctity of elections in this state?

[Phlip]

You live in Wisconsin & say that about Scott Walker?

Oh goodness. :picardfp:

Have you not seen the ways in which he's tried to undermine the sanctity of elections in this state?

Let us count the ways...

"laser-like focus" on jobs, promising 250k, didn't happen.
[link (https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/12/gov-scott-walkers-promise-create-250000-jobs-wisconsin-remains-elusive/99001742/)]

Mismanaging the money and not tracking the jobs not being created with the funds. Taken to task in audits for this.
[link (http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/wedc-audit-finds-improvements-in-handling-of-state-funds-but/article_8955cb63-9159-5094-94e7-989d9a12f7e4.html)]

Remember the Lincoln Hill School for Boys?
Apparently Walker doesn't, or just didn't give a fuck.
[link (https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/investigations/2016/12/17/crisis-lincoln-hills-juvenile-prison-years-making/95383518/)] [link (https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2017/06/23/federal-judge-rule-case-wisconsins-lincoln-hills-teen-prison/423051001/)]

Safe levels of chemicals in the air, food and drinking water? Fuck that!
[link (https://www.wpr.org/state-lawmakers-reject-governors-proposed-elimination-natural-resources-magazine)]

Matter of fact, to hell with drinking water. It is a privilege to be paid for, not a right.
[link (http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/govt-and-politics/bill-loosening-regulations-of-high-capacity-wells-headed-to-gov/article_3a86f729-257c-5c74-afc4-7de28b8f0c52.html)] [link (http://wisconsinwatch.org/2017/06/fecal-microbes-found-in-60-percent-of-sampled-wells-raising-concerns-about-dairy-manure-septic-waste/)]

"Support our troops." Nope, not them either.
[link (http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/govt-and-politics/neglecting-wisconsin-s-vets-ongoing-cap-times-coverage-of-the/collection_0c911dd6-ced5-11e6-b6c3-d3310bc962be.html)]

Those people who were wronged in the mortgage crisis? Fuck them, the state needs that money to replace all the available federal funds he turned down.
[link (http://archive.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/state-to-receive-140-million-to-settle-mortgage-claims-qh44q6v-139014139.html/)]

Matter of fact, let's just take ALL the moneys from where they belong and put them wherever the fuck ever we want!
[link (http://archive.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/122731769.html/)] [link (http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/promises/walk-o-meter/promise/563/never-raid-special-state-funds-for-other-program/)]

But hey, it is all so he can keep his friends and family fat with Cronyism and nepotism.
[link (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/walker-scandal-who-got-convicted-why-n35886)]

Scott Walker gives not a mad prison assfuck about the people of Wisconsin, he apparently is more concerned with himself and those who might keep him in power. Beyond the weather, I am cool with never having lived there.

[RalliartRsX]

gbaby well said. The standards haven't changed. It's just that trump (literally) insights hate. See race riots in Charlottesville which one girl was killed. nuff said.......

Soooo.....does trump's lawyer need.....his own lawyer??

[RalliartRsX]

I don’t think he’s incompetent in the position. I think he’s unconventional and hard to watch.

It’s not the end of the world though and we will see how the next 3 years goes. I’m optimistic. That’s just the attitude I chose to have. Trust me I would have much rather voted for Rubio or Walker.

trump is VERY incompetent in his position. As a sitting president, you MUST, no ifs and buts, MUST know the Constitution back to front, up and down. No question, no "standards", no unit of measure. As a president, that is a requirement.

The fact that he could not call out a single sentence is standing definition of incompetence. he is the president after all.....

P.S Scott Walker is a shit show. See above.....

[gbaby2089]

Scott Walker gives not a mad prison assfuck about the people of Wisconsin, he apparently is more concerned with himself and those who might keep him in power. Beyond the weather, I am cool with never having lived there.

It is a beautiful place a few months each a year.

But most of the residents honestly couldn't tell you Vladimir Lenin from Vlade Divac.

We shouldn't forget about Walker gutting the Department of Natural Resources & fighting against holding special elections to fill positions vacated by departing republicans.

But at least he spent billions of taxpayer dollars to 'woo' a shady Chinese company with a history of subhuman conditions.

[Phlip]

So we're just gonna ignore this raid on the Cohen's offices?

I figure there is some high level fuckery afoot to go to the HIGHLY unconventional and even more highly difficult task of getting a warrant for such a search instead of a subpoena.
It not dissimilar from them NOT being able to search your lawyer if they think you might have told him you were selling dope, but FULL able to do so if there was probable cause to think that said lawyer was holding your dope for you.
In short, that means they have reason to think that there is some shit that Cohen has done something too. Either Cohen will sing like everyone before him or will be (perhaps has been) paid to sit in prison while this plays out after being held in contempt.

[RalliartRsX]

Soooo.....does trump's lawyer need.....his own lawyer??

So we're just gonna ignore this raid on the Cohen's offices?

I figure there is some high level fuckery afoot to go to the HIGHLY unconventional and even more highly difficult task of getting a warrant for such a search instead of a subpoena.
It not dissimilar from them NOT being able to search your lawyer if they think you might have told him you were selling dope, but FULL able to do so if there was probable cause to think that said lawyer was holding your dope for you.
In short, that means they have reason to think that there is some shit that Cohen has done something too. Either Cohen will sing like everyone before him or will be (perhaps has been) paid to sit in prison while this plays out after being held in contempt.

Way ahead of ya Phlip. Please, do try to keep up :naughty:

But yes, I tend to agree. To sign off on a raid just based off a couple paid of playmates?? Yeah, they have bigger fish to fry.

All news sources are saying "search for payoff of women". But judging by how calculated this whole investigation has been carried out (remember, Manaforts Office was raided months before any word got out! I mean, the raid occurred (literally) miles from a major airport and no one had a clue!), something's a brewing out back. The AG had to sign off on it, so yeah........

Then there is the whole Attorney-Client privilege thing. No lawyer, much less the AG, would sign off on any raid knowing full well Cohen could exercise his A-C right and not say a word.
Something is spooky about this raid and I do not think any of the news sources have the full story. But like sheep, everyone is running the "breaking news"........

All this while fox news is (literally) talking about sex crazed pandas hahahahah!

I think Cohen needs to call a lawyer........

[Phlip]

Then there is the whole Attorney-Client privilege thing. No lawyer, much less the AG, would sign off on any raid knowing full well Cohen could exercise his A-C right and not say a word.
Something is spooky about this raid and I do not think any of the news sources have the full story. But like sheep, everyone is running the "breaking news"........

All this while fox news is (literally) talking about sex crazed pandas hahahahah!

I think Cohen needs to call a lawyer........
Yeah, the "nothing to see here" approach won't work with something that HAS to have the magnitude of this, just for all it takes for something like this to even be allowed to go forward.

[exitspeed]

Well this seems like fun, but I'll hard pass from here on out. Think I've said that before.

[gbaby2089]

Thanks for being open minded & willing to educate yourself on something you don't agree with on the surface.

Oh...

[exitspeed]

Thanks for being open minded & willing to educate yourself on something you don't agree with on the surface.

Oh...

Well gee I didn’t realize this thread was the worlds foremost news source. Lol.

Look I get it. You’re right. I’m wrong. You’re enlightened and I’m just a dumb Republican.

Maybe I can join in again after I become all knowing like you folks.


ps this elitist attitude is part of the reason Trump is president right now. People are tired of it.

:facepalm:

[SimpleS14]

The recent FBI raid is very interesting indeed. Prosecutors need to have a solid case of probable cause to a judge and get approval across the upper ranks of the DOJ & FBI. It's not an action that was taken lightly, especially when it's an attorney that's being raided in THREE locations.

What's also interesting is that this was not orchestrated by the Special Counsel, but rather the public corruption's team in the U.S. Southern District of NY. That's very telling since it means that no matter what happens with the Special Counsel, Cohen is in some serious legal jeopardy. Trump can absolutely pardon him, but the NY AG will mostly file a case of their own which Cohen is not shielded from. NY state laws are pretty serious when it comes to finance crimes.

I also think should the Special Counsel get fired, there will still be an ongoing investigation and they can be farmed out to the U.S. District of DC and Eastern District of VA. Trump tries to execute pardons, then you have state AG's just waiting to file a case.

This is an absolute legal mess, but very interesting to see how it all plays out.

[RalliartRsX]

Simple, yep.

This isn't just some play bunny pay off story like every stinking news source is running with. The AG doesn't sign off on such a warrant and unless something is brewing.

Key; this wasn't initiated by Mueller. Holy shit.........all sorts of angles converging in on this.

[Phlip]

ps this elitist attitude is part of the reason Trump is president right now. People are tired of it.

:facepalm:

Wrong...
You could only have made this claim if he had won the popular vote and had some kind of claim of a mandate of his policy.
Instead, the fact of the matter is that he used dogwhistle politics to foment and normalize the bigotry of people in former slave states. Before anyone starts withe "omg, slavery is over" thing, please remember that the weighting of the electoral college "gave" a little something to former slave states in giving them heavier electoral representation.
[link (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/12/13598316/donald-trump-electoral-college-slavery-akhil-reed-amar)]
The will of the majority of America is not being represented at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Neither are the interests

[gbaby2089]

ps this elitist attitude is part of the reason Trump is president right now. People are tired of it.

:facepalm:

No it isn't. He's president because the backwards states that contribute little to the economy & hold a minority of the population voted heavily in his favor. Even in states that he won, go to the urban areas, where the jobs & people actually live and what happens? Oh, Trump voters are very rare.

But yeah, he'll make those coal towns great again.

Wrong...
You could only have made this claim if he had won the popular vote and had some kind of claim of a mandate of his policy.
Instead, the fact of the matter is that he used dogwhistle politics to foment and normalize the bigotry of people in former slave states. Before anyone starts withe "omg, slavery is over" thing, please remember that the weighting of the electoral college "gave" a little something to former slave states in giving them heavier electoral representation.
[link (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/12/13598316/donald-trump-electoral-college-slavery-akhil-reed-amar)]
The will of the majority of America is not being represented at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Neither are the interests

BOOM.

[exitspeed]

Water is wet.

[flartius]

No it isn't. He's president because the backwards states that contribute little to the economy & hold a minority of the population voted heavily in his favor. Even in states that he won, go to the urban areas, where the jobs & people actually live and what happens? Oh, Trump voters are very rare.

But yeah, he'll make those coal towns great again.



BOOM.

So what you're saying is only the urban population matters, and to be apart of a party that claims to be inclusive to all if someone doesn't align with your view they are 'backwards'?

[exitspeed]

Let me rephrase, that attitude is PART of the reason so many people in middle America (including myself, so please do not tell me I’m incorrect) voted for Trump, helping him win the election.

PART.

[RalliartRsX]

Sky is...........blue??

I'm not very good at this game :(

[gbaby2089]

So what you're saying is only the urban population matters, and to be apart of a party that claims to be inclusive to all if someone doesn't align with your view they are 'backwards'?

Here's the difference between the biases I (a liberal) have and the biases many conservatives have.

I dislike republicans for their choices that are bad for the country & are often targeted against people as a result of the way they were born or other things they cannot control.

Republicans dislike people because of their sexuality, race, etc. They vote for measures that would hurt people with illnesses, things that people often cannot control.

Being disliked for being a shithead is not the same as being disliked for being of a different race.

Let me rephrase, that attitude is PART of the reason so many people in middle America (including myself, so please do not tell me I’m incorrect) voted for Trump, helping him win the election.

PART.

Hell yeah. Screw the country to "Own the libs."

[RalliartRsX]

So what you're saying is only the urban population matters, and to be apart of a party that claims to be inclusive to all if someone doesn't align with your view they are 'backwards'?

No

What is he is saying is, the count of vote matters, NOT the representation of the count.

A football game with a score of 42(home) - 10 (away), who won that game?? It sure as hell isn't the team with 10 points vs a team with 42 points at the final whistle.

How is the will of the people is represented by only 10% of the vote?? The majority voted against trump. Simple mathematics really.

Now do I agree or disagree with the electoral college is a different story. However, turnout for HRC was also to blame (which a majority stemmed from cyber attacks by the Russians and the right based off nothing but lies. This is already proven by the Cambridge Analytica story. See pizza gate for a perfect example where innocent folks almost died).

[Phlip]

So Dowd quits because of Trump's erection for a sit-down with Mueller knowing his relationship with telling the truth.
No lawyer in or near DC wants to TOUCH this shit. Now, in need of a fall guy, Cohen gets to feel the fire in this news cycle.
[link (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-mueller-teams-prepare-to-move-forward-without-presidential-interview/ar-AAvOP9H?li=BBnb7Kz)]
Money well spent by the most corrupt admin since Nixon
But hey, Hillary's emails, no?

[flartius]

I lost all faith in the FBI and DOJ when Comey came out and said "She broke 12 federal laws, but because she didn't mean to do anything wrong. No charges" and that was that. I don't care if you're republican or democrat, no one is above the law and she should have been prosecuted.

But just goes to show you how corrupt Washington is, so much cronyism it's not funny. You can get anything passed off as long as you know the judge or have dirt on him. Or in the case of our congressmen, you can just flat out buy them through a lobby program.

[gbaby2089]

I lost all faith in the FBI and DOJ when Comey came out and said "She broke 12 federal laws, but because she didn't mean to do anything wrong. No charges" and that was that. I don't care if you're republican or democrat, no one is above the law and she should have been prosecuted.

But just goes to show you how corrupt Washington is, so much cronyism it's not funny. You can get anything passed off as long as you know the judge or have dirt on him. Or in the case of our congressmen, you can just flat out buy them through a lobby program.

Yeah, Trump drained that swamp right?

*hires racist dude from alabama to run the DOJ*
*hires oil guy with no political experience to be chief diplomat*
*hires guy who doesn't believe in global warming to be head of environmental protection*

Also, you realize Comey is a lifelong Republican right? That he was a huge cause in Hillary not winning, right?

Trump is the cheapest national politician in the US to buy off. Spend $50,000 at his shitty hotel & he is yours.

Shoot, you could even get paid to appear on Fox News & he's yours.

[flartius]

Yeah, Trump drained that swamp right?

*hires racist dude from alabama to run the DOJ*
*hires oil guy with no political experience to be chief diplomat*
*hires guy who doesn't believe in global warming to be head of environmental protection*

Also, you realize Comey is a lifelong Republican right? That he was a huge cause in Hillary not winning, right?

Trump is the cheapest national politician in the US to buy off. Spend $50,000 at his shitty hotel & he is yours.

Shoot, you could even get paid to appear on Fox News & he's yours.

First and foremost, I'm quite happy Hillary lost. IMO she was the most un-electable candidate in recent history (yes worse than Trump), she hijacked the democratic party and viewed herself as above all and it was 'her time'. But the last 3 election cycles has been hold your nose and vote for the lesser of evils anyway.

Secondly I don't think Trump has done a single thing to "drain the swamp" I was optimistic that he would being a political outsider but he is just as bad as all the ones before him.

Finally, just because you're a republican doesn't mean you're untouchable. Comey protected her, the whole investigation stinks of bribery. Hell the whole FBI protected her, and still continues to undermine Trump's presidency (granted he does a good job of undermining his own presidency). But it's hard to take them seriously as a non partisan unit when you have members getting caught playing party politics.

[gbaby2089]

Please tell me how the FBI is undermining Trump.

If you say they're undermining him by investigating his crimes....that's what the FBI exists for.

[Phlip]

^^^ This

There is no government agency, position or department that exists to protect the president when the president is or might be doing dirt. Their only "loyalty" is to the constitution and doing the job of investigating anyone doing wrong - even if that person is the president - isn't "undermining" and surely isn't treating them "unfairly."
And let us not forget, despite the rumblings of a couple of employees, that the FBI was all for Trump leading into the election.
[link (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/03/fbi-leaks-hillary-clinton-james-comey-donald-trump)]
I am interested in seeing how all of this continues to play out. It is a scary and fucking morbid idea to entertain overall, but interesting nonetheless.

[Phlip]

And speaking of NOT draining the swamp, let's talk about Scooter Libby
[link (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ap-source-trump-expected-to-pardon-former-cheney-aide-libby/ar-AAvQ9LI?li=BBnb7Kz)]

[exitspeed]

Got my first negative rep since 08 from this thread. I’m assuming it’s one of you cowards given the comment. A shame you didn’t have the balls to leave your name. I’d love to return the favor.

I wonder how the rest of you would react getting a text of my smiling in front of Trump Tower like Phlip got last night. Lol.

[gbaby2089]

"Hey friend, check this out, I'm both ignorant of all things AND feel a need to be strongly opinionated!"

And it wasn't me, I'm happy to call you out in the thread for all to see, as seen any number of time. A big man you are though, complaining about rep on a car forum as you near middle age.

[exitspeed]

"Hey friend, check this out, I'm both ignorant of all things AND feel a need to be strongly opinionated!"

And it wasn't me, I'm happy to call you out in the thread for all to see, as seen any number of time. A big man you are though, complaining about rep on a car forum as you near middle age.

It’s just funny the left claims to be so tolerant and compassionate.

Not sure why you are so angry with me honestly and making shit so personal. Lighten the fuck up.

[gbaby2089]

Why did I get personal?

I responded to your dumbass question:

"I wonder how the rest of you would react getting a text of my smiling in front of Trump Tower like Phlip got last night. "

I'm tolerant and compassionate. I treat everyone well until they prove they're not worthy of that, you're in that club.

Being tolerant & compassionate does not equate to being walked upon.

[exitspeed]

Why did I get personal?

I assume you mean how?

Why would be, because I have a different view of the world than you and you can’t accept that like an adult.

HOW, would be things like calling me ignorant and pointing out my age in relation to this forum.l in a negative way.

You actually perfectly illustrated the point I was trying to make. You’d act out of anger if I sent that to you. Phlip text me back with a humorous response. See, we’re adults and realize not everyone is going to share your views on everything in life, be it politics, parenting, career choices. That doesn’t mean you can’t be friends or acquaintances.

Fun fact. I’m an artist. I make art for a living and by nature of the career I work with proooooobabably 99.99999999% very liberal and progressive people of all ages. I work with these people alllll day and they work with me. We go out drinking together. Go to dinner. We’re cool and I have no problem with them. I even know a girl who goes out and makes fake propaganda videos to support her cause. Shady af but hey, that’s her choice.

My point is, you don’t have to have so much hate and anger towards people that have a different view of things.

[VNG704]

My point is, you don’t have to have so much hate and anger towards people that have a different view of things.

Ooh, tough one. That's like, most people in any political subject convo and I doubt it will change.

Just be like wisconsin folks you two are, be friendly, drink a few. :hugs:

[exitspeed]

Ooh, tough one. That's like, most people in any political subject convo and I doubt it will change.

Just be like wisconsin folks you two are, be friendly, drink a few. :hugs:

That’s part of the problem. The media’s job is to divide and they do a hell of a job.

[flartius]

That’s part of the problem. The media’s job is to divide and they do a hell of a job.



It’s not their job, but it’s what they have become. Fox is a political extension of the right, CNN, MSNBC an extension of the left. And I agree they are all doing a magnificent job of stirring up our emotions about hot button issues.


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[gbaby2089]

I assume you mean how?

Why would be, because I have a different view of the world than you and you can’t accept that like an adult.

HOW, would be things like calling me ignorant and pointing out my age in relation to this forum.l in a negative way.

You actually perfectly illustrated the point I was trying to make. You’d act out of anger if I sent that to you. Phlip text me back with a humorous response. See, we’re adults and realize not everyone is going to share your views on everything in life, be it politics, parenting, career choices. That doesn’t mean you can’t be friends or acquaintances.

Fun fact. I’m an artist. I make art for a living and by nature of the career I work with proooooobabably 99.99999999% very liberal and progressive people of all ages. I work with these people alllll day and they work with me. We go out drinking together. Go to dinner. We’re cool and I have no problem with them. I even know a girl who goes out and makes fake propaganda videos to support her cause. Shady af but hey, that’s her choice.

My point is, you don’t have to have so much hate and anger towards people that have a different view of things.

Shocking twist, I work in manufacturing, where I work with 99.9999999999999% very conservative people.

You're lucky those arty folks are willing to deal with your closed mind.

I don't have hate & anger towards anything. I think you lack critical thinking capabilities & have bad thoughts on the world at large, I don't hate or feel anything towards you.

[exitspeed]

I’m totally open minded. I just don’t agree with you in everything. You’re talking about two different things. It’s ok.

And saying “you’re lucking those people are willing to work with you” literally shows how “closed minded” and childish you are.

[gbaby2089]

I’m totally open minded. I just don’t agree with you in everything. You’re talking about two different things. It’s ok.

And saying “you’re lucking those people are willing to work with you” literally shows how “closed minded” and childish you are.

That's not what I said.

I'm talking about dealing with you outside of work.

I deal with people like you at work every single day, folks who hate gay ppl, minorities, etc., because...they can? I deal with them, I'm polite/friendly/charming/etc.

But I wouldn't spend a moment with them that I'm not getting paid for.

[exitspeed]

That's not what I said.

I'm talking about dealing with you outside of work.

I deal with people like you at work every single day, folks who hate gay ppl, minorities, etc., because...they can? I deal with them, I'm polite/friendly/charming/etc.

But I wouldn't spend a moment with them that I'm not getting paid for.

You haven been paying attention. I’ve literally said in this thread I’m very libertarian socially, meaning I’m for gay marriage, pro abortion, I probably have more minority friends than white friends. The men who stood up in my wedding where black (my best man), Indian, Mexican/Korean. The only two white guys were my brother in laws. Back when I was a b boy I was “the” white dude amongst all my black and Hispanic friends.

I also said I’m for more gun control, just not taking them away from lawful citizens.

Look, I’m not going to keep saying the same shit over and over if you don’t have the capacity to pay attention.

Most of the shit your arguing and criticizing me about are things I’m mostly playing devils advocate with and have not offered a hard stance on anything. You’re just choosing to read my comments in black and white. Which seems to be how you see things.

[gbaby2089]

The fallacy of the 'minority friend.'

Love it.

An update from God King Trump.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/985133017256660995

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/985504808646971392

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/985502053345751040

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/985496023555608576

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/985492862958698497

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/985489930343321600

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/985487209510948864

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/985483513704124416




I know in this country's culture that many men find themselves above mental health care or think it makes them weak in some way, but this man needs some help.

Crap. Zilvia is the one site that doesn't embed tweets.

[feito]

The fallacy of the 'minority friend.'

I know in this country's culture that many men find themselves above mental health care

get some help, man.

[exitspeed]

get some help, man.

No kidding. Unhinged.

I thought there was a way to block a user from your view. Can not remember how to do it.

[SimpleS14]

exitspeed & gbaby2089 - You guys should just meetup somewhere in WI and hash it out over some craft beers and the finest cheeses Wisconsin has to offer. :)

[exitspeed]

exitspeed & gbaby2089 - You guys should just meetup somewhere in WI and hash it out over some craft beers and the finest cheeses Wisconsin has to offer. :)

I’d totally do that (with my closed mind and all). I have a feeling he’d be less interested.

[gbaby2089]

exitspeed & gbaby2089 - You guys should just meetup somewhere in WI and hash it out over some craft beers and the finest cheeses Wisconsin has to offer. :)

That sounds like the least pleasant experience.

Also shout out to the open minded conservatives. Keep it classy guys.

https://i.imgur.com/1ClWSWb.png

[RalliartRsX]

Got my first negative rep since 08 from this thread. I’m assuming it’s one of you cowards given the comment. A shame you didn’t have the balls to leave your name. I’d love to return the favor.

I wonder how the rest of you would react getting a text of my smiling in front of Trump Tower like Phlip got last night. Lol.

To be entirely honest, this is how the trump administration works. Divisiveness, racist, bigotry, collusion, lies, deceits, the whole lot. Folks who voted for trump didn't just vote for "someone to shake up Washington". They voted for someone who spews hatred, divides our country, has outwardly racist comments, incompetent in his position and everything else that constitutes evil.

I will say it wasn't me (and I have stayed away from this thread for a few days in all honesty). The irony is strong on this one as we had this very discussion about neg repping not but one page back. However, this is the type of culture trump breathes..........color me not surprised......

P.S Irony x 2. I am pretty sure, 1 page back you were also yelling at people for leveraging assumptions your direction. Well, now you are lodging "one of us cowards" assumption our direction without having any inclination or facts to support it with a blanket statement of "one of us cowards"......

I do not agree with someone giving you a neg rep. On the other hand, If anyone voted trump, this is what they voted into office....petty attacks of this nature. And as it turns out gbaby also gets a neg rep.........This is trump nation. Go ahead an embrace it........

P.S I also agree, you and gbaby should meet up for a drink. It was very refreshing removing myself from this thread for a few days :)

I’m assuming it’s one of you cowards given the comment

[Future240]

Neg repping in this thread is a hoe move. Loud noises is specifically for people to talk about controversial topics where you can "shout" at each other.

[flartius]

Please tell me how the FBI is undermining Trump.

If you say they're undermining him by investigating his crimes....that's what the FBI exists for.

I know it is old news but this article make me think about this comment from a few days ago. Questions 5 - 10 is why I think the FBI is a hack and playing partisan politics both for and against President Trump.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/04/17/10_questions_that_abc_didnt_ask_comey_136825.html

Another article talking about Comey's partisan politics:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/16/james-comey-trump-interview-mistake

[gbaby2089]

P.S I also agree, you and gbaby should meet up for a drink. It was very refreshing removing myself from this thread for a few days :)

Maybe not wrong. sup exitspeed.

I know it is old news but this article make me think about this comment from a few days ago. Questions 5 - 10 is why I think the FBI is a hack and playing partisan politics both for and against President Trump.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/04/17/10_questions_that_abc_didnt_ask_comey_136825.html

Another article talking about Comey's partisan politics:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/16/james-comey-trump-interview-mistake

Comey is a weird case. He's a lifelong Republican, undermined Mrs. Clinton's campaign & the like....but also has a moral issue with DJT.

The FBI is not the friend of liberals.
The FBI is not the friend of Trump (though I'd wager they do lean a bit conservative, less so though than local cops...which don't so much lean conservative as fall over to the right).

I don't want a conservative or liberal FBI. I want a FBI willing to investigate anyone who has done wrong. They do the job better than most government agencies do theirs.

[SimpleS14]

The Republican House chairmen are at it again (i.e. Devin Nunes). This time they want Rod Rosenstein to hand over Comey's memos unredacted. The problem with that is that these memos are evidence in an active FBI investigation, which DOJ does not willingly share. If Rosenstein refuses it can set up the precedent for him to get fired. If he complies, it could set him up for conduct violations...thus setting him up to get fired.

As for the US attorney office in SDNY, the interim AG (handpicked & interviewed by Trump) had to recuse himself from the Cohen investigation. His interim status will expire in a few weeks. At that point he is either formally nominated for Senate confirmation or replaced by another nominee. We already know how Trump feels about Session's recusal, so it probably won't be different from this recusal as well.

Also the Senate leader confirmed he will not bring to the floor a bill to protect Mueller.

I'm really curious to see how all of this plays out.


Comey is a weird case. He's a lifelong Republican, undermined Mrs. Clinton's campaign & the like....but also has a moral issue with DJT.

I agree. One on hand he raises some interesting thoughts, but on the other he gets real petty and interjects into politics. Also as a witness in an active investigation, you would think he would not go HAM on the media blitz spilling the tea to sell his book too.

In relation to Cohen's investigation and adding for anyone interested...
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[Phlip]

I wonder how the rest of you would react getting a text of my smiling in front of Trump Tower like Phlip got last night. Lol.

I told you to give President Putin my best.
You didn't respond.

Also, your insistence on stoking political conversation, and then shying away from political conversation when it differs from what you personally believe in is fuckshit.
See: Killer Mike, the NRA, Trump, Putin, any hotbutton GOP issue, "I am not my party" while towing the party line and anything else you've been guilty of. If you don't want a political conversation, stop starting political conversations,
It is not terribly dissimilar from "I have a 'black friend, I will tag him in the comments under this video of 8 year-old using the n-word" on FB. Now please tell me how you left FB because you were tired of political conversations in the midst of a political conversation ON THIS FORUM that you keep coming back to.
I love the "... well I don't agree with everything..." disclaimer that allows one to continue to straddle the lines as convenient, but I am personally tired of this shit. If you cannot be honest and fully candid about why you support your president, then I suggest that you simply keep quiet about supporting him.
And before you hit me with the "lol, you libtards are such snowflakes," let us not forget that we both have children and one of our kids will need attention beyond what either of our tax brackets might ever comfortably ever afford. Let us not forget that ONE of us supports a president hell bent on appointing staff who support the opposite of what the departments they head are about. To that end, health and human services is the most important. Let us not forget that apparently "grabbig bitches by the pussy" is no big deal to a father of a daughter, that apparently tweeting policy decisions to the horror of senior staff duty-bound to lie about it when business hours commence is okay, that bold-face LYING IN THE FACE OF COMMON FUCKING SENSE is cool as long as "Obama lied too," or "at least it ain't Hillary."
Basically, saying that political fuckedupptitude is more than okay as long as it is the kind that makes one feel better about their own political ideology is cool. I mean, as long as you can text a picture in front of Trump Tower to someone you think will see the joke hidden DEEP underneath said picture.
Fuck your president. He is not here for me, my child or anyone who looks like us. What is most funny is that he is not here for your child either, but because he IS here for people who look like you, you're missing it.
But hey, make america great again by any means necessary, right? Fuck anyone who doesn't get to play along.

[exitspeed]

Damn homie.

Yeah I’m bowing out. You guys are too black and white and can’t see past it. It’s just not worth raising my blood pressure over.

Also I’ve never called anyone a libtard or disrespected anyone.

Done. 100%.

PS: I’ll also no longer text you anything political. We can just talk a out wings, cats and music. Or not.

[RalliartRsX]

Thank you Phlip. Well said

So has trump tweeted about the TN shooter being a racist terrorist yet?? Oh wait, he is white so..........

P.S trump has yet to thank the brave soul who single handedly disarmed the shooter. Since he wont, I will call out his name here

James Shaw Jr. Thank you sir.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/22/us/waffle-house-shooting-hero-tennessee/index.html

[RalliartRsX]

Remember when Obama was required to give up his personal cell phone?? Or when trump and his supporters screamed about HRC's server??

Oh, right. Double standard as always.

Trump ramps up personal cell phone use (https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/23/politics/donald-trump-cell-phone/index.html)

So now, the president is an actual security risk..........wow! The idea of trying to hide a convo with your own Chief of Staff, while now having detailed discussions over a seemingly unsecure airwave.........How incompetent and childish can one get??

Mary McCord, who used to head the Justice Department's national security division, says smartphones are notorious for their security vulnerabilities.

"Because the smartphones of high-level government officials -- including the President -- are obvious targets for foreign intelligence services, the government goes to significant effort to ensure that government-issued smartphones are constantly updated to address security vulnerabilities," she said. "Use of personal smartphones, which may not have all of the security features of government-issued smartphones or be regularly updated to address newly discovered vulnerabilities, present an obvious potential security risk."

The president better watch out........Obama may be in the microwave taking nudes of trump........(I sure as hell hope someone gets this reference hahahaha!)

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/232/351/775.jpg

[Phlip]

Also I’ve never called anyone a libtard or disrespected anyone.
So you've changed your mind from your prior statement about how you "love calling millennials snowflakes?"
Done. 100%.
Heard that before
PS: I’ll also no longer text you anything political. We can just talk a out wings, cats and music. Or not.
I was cool with alternative subjects. Please note how I avoid starting certain conversations, but don't get that same response?
I am telling you the shit was never funny

[gbaby2089]

Thank you Phlip. Well said

So has trump tweeted about the TN shooter being a racist terrorist yet?? Oh wait, he is white so..........

P.S trump has yet to thank the brave soul who single handedly disarmed the shooter. Since he wont, I will call out his name here

James Shaw Jr. Thank you sir.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/22/us/waffle-house-shooting-hero-tennessee/index.html

In Trump's mind there weren't 'very fine people on both sides"

[SimpleS14]

The Fox & Friends phone interview this morning left me with a mixed of reaction of shock and great interest. He was quite unhinged IMO.

I'm looking forward to the legal ramifications that might come out of it. Prosecutors in SDNY are already planning to use some of his statements in their hearing today.

[Phlip]

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[RalliartRsX]

If his followers haven't started to question their almighty, there is no changing their minds at this point unfortunately. That ship has long sailed......

Eg: How can a person of God, be so adamant that someone who cheated on his current wife with a porn star (while his wife was pregnant), who he inevitably paid off, still be their man, then its 100% lost cause. Ad yet, they cannot see the hypocrisy. Unreal.

P.S Fox News is still bringing up HRC's emails........1.5 years later. What else do they have to argue bout??

[Phlip]

I can think of one Trump Supporter who is probably STOKED to have Kanye West as a favorite rapper again, lol

[tlieberman240]

P.S Fox News is still bringing up HRC's emails........1.5 years later. What else do they have to argue bout??

CNN, The View, Huffington Post, etc etc etc etc etc are all still going on about Russian collusion.... 1.5 years later as well. I've still yet to see anything really come of it.

I wasn't particularly a Trump fan/supporter. Still not. But I can't deny there's been some things he's done in office that I'm a fan of; some others, not so much.

Definitely would prefer him over HRC though. That bitch actually needs to disappear forever. She's the perfect example of everything that's wrong with the government in this country.

I'm honestly just getting tired of hearing people bitch and moan all the time. Most people are just angry because they've been told to be. They don't really have a clue wtf is going on.

People have become so polarized in their views. There used to be a spectrum when it came to political preferences. Far left, left-centered, centered, right-centered, far right etc. Now, so many people (of both "sides") have this "you're with us or against us" mentality. Pretty shitty, honestly.

[RalliartRsX]

CNN, The View, Huffington Post, etc etc etc etc etc are all still going on about Russian collusion.... 1.5 years later as well. I've still yet to see anything really come of it.

I wasn't particularly a Trump fan/supporter. Still not. But I can't deny there's been some things he's done in office that I'm a fan of; some others, not so much.

Definitely would prefer him over HRC though. That bitch actually needs to disappear forever. She's the perfect example of everything that's wrong with the government in this country.

I'm honestly just getting tired of hearing people bitch and moan all the time. Most people are just angry because they've been told to be. They don't really have a clue wtf is going on.

People have become so polarized in their views. There used to be a spectrum when it came to political preferences. Far left, left-centered, centered, right-centered, far right etc. Now, so many people (of both "sides") have this "you're with us or against us" mentality. Pretty shitty, honestly.


Can I ask you this; what has HRC done to make you hate her so much?? And please cite your sources

Also, can you cite all the great things trump has done??

Serious questions and not trying to be divisive. I really do truly want to know why HRC is so hated and why trump gets your support. The last trump supporter I asked these questions decided to stop posting and never bothered to answer either of those questions and reverted to talking about an entirely unrelated topic.

[tlieberman240]

Can I ask you this; what has HRC done to make you hate her so much?? And please cite your sources

Also, can you cite all the great things trump has done??

Serious questions and not trying to be divisive. I really do truly want to know why HRC is so hated and why trump gets your support. The last trump supporter I asked these questions decided to stop posting and never bothered to answer either of those questions and reverted to talking about an entirely unrelated topic.

First off; I said I wasn’t a trump supporter and didn’t vote for him, and am still not really a big fan. However, I’m not so blind to recognize that while I may not agree with a president in office on a lot of things, there are some actions that I may agree with. The same true with Obama; wasn’t really a fan, though over the 8 years he was in office, there were a few things he did that I liked... a few.

So if you’re going to ask questions in response to what I said, at least ensure that you’re recognizing what I actually said.

With HRC, the lies, corruption, hypocrisy, and divisiveness her actions/statements etc over the years have lead me to despise her. As far as I’m concerned, anybody who has made a career or massive ortune from politics needs to gtfo.

[RalliartRsX]

Ok. EDIT: Ok, not a trump supporter. Fine. I am not gong to argue your support. However, the main point of my post is below....

Serious questions and not trying to be divisive. I really do truly want to know why HRC is so hated and why trump gets your support

But can you elaborate on the above?? Can you elaborate on the lies, divisiveness, hypocrisy, etc?? Can you point me in proper cases where this is true?? Not saying she is not, but I would like ot see how someone who has come to loath HRC, how they came to that conclusion. As I asked, please cite your sources and reason to substantiate why you came to that conclusion.

Time and time again I have asked this questions to folks, and the answer 98% of the time is "I just hate her......"

Also, again I will ask; can you please lay out what trump has done with office that you agree with??

[tlieberman240]

Its amazing just how quickly you become defensive when I asked the question. You simply ignored my statement and lumped yourself into the trump supporter category. As I said ....



But can you elaborate on the above?? Can you elaborate on the lies, divisiveness, hypocrisy, etc?? Can you point me in proper cases where this is true?? Not saying she is not, but I would like ot see how someone who has come to loath HRC, how they came to that conclusion. As I asked, please cite your sources and reason to substantiate why you came to that conclusion.

Time and time again I have asked this questions to folks, and the answer 98% of the time is "I just hate her......"

Also, again I will ask; can you please lay out what trump has done with office that you agree with??

There is no defensiveness. I’m simply saying that if you’re going to ask questions, ask the right question. What’s more, you immediately go and state, “you just lumped yourself into the trump supporter category”, which comes off as a derogatory comment in that context.

As far as cites and sources go for HRC and Trump, I will do so tonight as I’m about to leave for work now.

[RalliartRsX]

tlieberman240 my apologies. I will walk back my statement. No problem.

My two questions still apply. Thanks for taking the time. It's just very difficult to get a straight answer from folks outside of Fox News talking points unfortunately :(

[SimpleS14]

It's just very difficult to get a straight answer from folks outside of Fox News talking points unfortunately :(

It will be difficult (IMO) to get that on most online forums. You might get a better idea from in-person interactions, but even then, thats hard to come by without someone getting heated or upset.

I think the hate for HRC stems from the actions she has taken over the decades, which were stepping outside of the social norms of what a woman was suppose to do. IMO it starts as far back as 1969 with her Wellesley commencement speech which put her on the national spotlight (more info (http://time.com/4359618/hillary-clinton-wellesley-commencement-transcript/)). Also she's rather cold, calculated and sometimes abrasive in her approach, which I completely understand, but this is outside the expectation that she is suppose to be. I can also see how people view her as lacking "emotion", "heart" or "compassion" for others, which further adds onto the hate.

[gbaby2089]

I disagree with a lot of HRC's politics, she's much too conservative for my tastes.

But divisive is the last word I'd use to describe her, at least her directly. What's divisive is how she's portrayed in the media.

Also, the media is still investigating Russian collusion because where there is smoke stack's worth of smoke, there's probably fire. Totally normal for the president to fire the guy charged with investigating him.

[RalliartRsX]

I think the hate for HRC stems from the actions she has taken over the decades, which were stepping outside of the social norms of what a woman was suppose to do. IMO it starts as far back as 1969 with her Wellesley commencement speech which put her on the national spotlight (more info (http://time.com/4359618/hillary-clinton-wellesley-commencement-transcript/)). Also she's rather cold, calculated and sometimes abrasive in her approach, which I completely understand, but this is outside the expectation that she is suppose to be. I can also see how people view her as lacking "emotion", "heart" or "compassion" for others, which further adds onto the hate.

This right here sums it up very well. Apply to same characteristics to a man, and he is calculated, beast and goal oriented. HRC broke a fair amount of glass ceilings in her time. I have seen her work through the Clinton foundation and at State Department and she is Very capable.

Now, do I agree with some of her social/personal characteristics?? Not necessarily. But to run a country and churn the economy, foreign policy and keep us in the positive and keep her hands off the big red button, she is stellar at doing this and her record shows.

It's tough to separate the two items however........in addition to "Go make me a sammmwich WOMAN!" mentality most people expect.

P.S Within hours of trump pulling us from the Nuclear deal, Israeli forces sent missiles and blew up a strategic compound in Iran. trump didn't read a single sentence, work or letter from the deal........And now, Iran is simply just going to side with the EU. Good way to bread more hate for America and more terrorist which feed of this inherent hatred for the west.

Good work trump and your band of cronies. Good work........

[SimpleS14]

P.S Within hours of trump pulling us from the Nuclear deal, Israeli forces sent missiles and blew up a strategic compound in Iran.

So far the reporting I'm seeing says it's an Iranian compound in Syria (info (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44046049)). It's probably related to this: https://twitter.com/LizSly/status/993926228942970882

Either way, this is very troubling and could lead to multiple conflicts (economically, diplomatically and militarily) with other nations, even US allies.

[RalliartRsX]

I cannot access twitter from work, so I assume we are on the same topic. Compound is in Damascus (Syria). Thanks for updating.

This would potentially bring up multiple conflicts of interest between the US and the EU........which is one in a long line of many potential conflicts as you mentioned for example. The US would (literally) have to go to war, to prevent an actual War.

Yep, goodwork trumpies.

[feito]

U mean like the war he started with NK?

[RalliartRsX]

U mean like the war he started with NK?

Could you kindly elaborate if you are not being sarcastic?? Legitimate question here.

[Phlip]

I disagree with a lot of HRC's politics, she's much too conservative for my tastes.

But divisive is the last word I'd use to describe her, at least her directly. What's divisive is how she's portrayed in the media.


This...
What rubs me wrong with her is that she is a fucking panderer.

[supersayianjim]

I have a question, if trump is a bad guy for fucking stormy?

isn't stormy a whore for fucking a married man?

yet the left celebrates a homewrecker like she is a legend or something?

I was on a porn site the other day, and she was in an ad, topless with her old saggy tits.

so he fucked a whore? big deal..

the dems have been destroying family values with pushing

--the gay agenda
-welfare(taking the father out of the home)
--male emasculation
--and this me too non-sense


oh, and p.s. I'm a blk guy who voted for trump, aside from him sucking bibi's dick he is still an alpha male and apparently a threat to feminist soy boys!!

[VNG704]

He's not a bad guy for doing stormy. He's bad guy that did stormy. Also, I must've missed how she's celebrated as any legend, or at all. The Donald's def not what I would consider alpha either, but that's just my own opinion apparently.

[RalliartRsX]

He's not a bad guy for doing stormy. He's bad guy that did stormy. Also, I must've missed how she's celebrated as any legend, or at all. The Donald's def not what I would consider alpha either, but that's just my own opinion apparently.

Word of advice. Don't feel the trolls.....

He was pinked for several months for a reason

[feito]

He doesn't agree with my political views: he's a troll, a bigot, a nazi.

[supersayianjim]

He doesn't agree with my political views: he's a troll, a bigot, a nazi.

funny how you people use the words "Nazi" so freely. please point to an instance where he has gassed/killed any jews?

how is he a bigot? he has dated blacks, is honored by the naacp, he has hired blacks for his companies?

so he is a "troll" for responding to liberal bullies? come better than that...

[supersayianjim]

Word of advice. Don't feel the trolls.....

He was pinked for several months for a reason

who was banned for "several months"?

[supersayianjim]

He's not a bad guy for doing stormy. He's bad guy that did stormy. Also, I must've missed how she's celebrated as any legend, or at all. The Donald's def not what I would consider alpha either, but that's just my own opinion apparently.

snl

cnn

any msm news cover, they have been talking about this whore for the last few months, not the dying kids in yemen or the rampant drug addiction over here, nope lets give a whore mainstream time.

you don't think Donald is a alpha male? that is a personal preference I won't even address that.

you have not produced how he is a "bad guy" but you don't know what an alpha male is either, so carry on.

[feito]

funny how you people use the words "Nazi" so freely. please point to an instance where he has gassed/killed any jews?

how is he a bigot? he has dated blacks, is honored by the naacp, he has hired blacks for his companies?

so he is a "troll" for responding to liberal bullies? come better than that...

I was actually being sarcastic about the first comment on this page.
I actually agree with most of your points.

[VNG704]

snl

cnn

any msm news cover, they have been talking about this whore for the last few months, not the dying kids in yemen or the rampant drug addiction over here, nope lets give a whore mainstream time.

you don't think Donald is a alpha male? that is a personal preference I won't even address that.

you have not produced how he is a "bad guy" but you don't know what an alpha male is either, so carry on.

It's the news. It sells. Are you surprised? I won't defend them. They all do that stuff. But I'd hardly call that celebration of a legend.

He may be considered an alpha by some obviously, but to me, he's no more than a fake alpha. A leader by name only but not a true alpha. No one that's that into themselves can be a true alpha.

If at this point I have to tell you how he's bad, then there's no point as you've dismissed everything already anyways.

[gbaby2089]

If Trump isn't a racist why did he face many law suits for not renting to black men & women?

If Trump isn't a racist, why is he working so hard to ban Muslims from entering the country?

If Trump isn't a racist, why is he working so hard to prevent latin americans from entering the country?

If Trump isn't a racist, how are there very fine folks on both sides when Nazis murder a protestor?

If Trump is an alpha, why does he back down from every single person who actually confronts him?

If Trump is an alpha, why does he pretend to be his own publicist to talk himself up?




Stormy Daniels is not a hero. Stormy Daniels is an adult who made a choice to have intimate sexual relations with Donald J. Trump. She is not a whore/slut/whatever, Donald Trump made the conscious choice to have sex with her, while his wife was home with their newborn child. While that is an immoral choice in my opinion, it doesn't necessarily make him a bad guy, nor does it mean he is not fit for office.

Everything else surrounding that situation (and literally everything else he's done), that's what has informed me he is entirely unfit for office.

[EDacIouSX]

If Trump isn't a racist why did he face many law suits for not renting to black men & women?

If Trump isn't a racist, why is he working so hard to ban Muslims from entering the country?

If Trump isn't a racist, why is he working so hard to prevent latin americans from entering the country?

If Trump isn't a racist, how are there very fine folks on both sides when Nazis murder a protestor?

If Trump is an alpha, why does he back down from every single person who actually confronts him?

If Trump is an alpha, why does he pretend to be his own publicist to talk himself up?




Stormy Daniels is not a hero. Stormy Daniels is an adult who made a choice to have intimate sexual relations with Donald J. Trump. She is not a whore/slut/whatever, Donald Trump made the conscious choice to have sex with her, while his wife was home with their newborn child. While that is an immoral choice in my opinion, it doesn't necessarily make him a bad guy, nor does it mean he is not fit for office.

Everything else surrounding that situation (and literally everything else he's done), that's what has informed me he is entirely unfit for office.

:picardfp:

[gbaby2089]

Good response.

Please disprove any of my statements above.

[feito]

hahahaha, i can only imagine what a joy it must be for a bunch of you to wake up every day knowing that trump's your president haha. Wait... Any day now, right? Lol
Mods, can we change the title to something like "lefties whining about the president" or something like that? Shit, it's starting to feel like DU in here....

[gbaby2089]

hahaha, i can only imagine what a joy it must be to vote for a president when you don't have even the most basic understanding of politics, government or history. Mods, can we change the title to something like "maroons bragging about their failures" or something like that? Shit, it's starting to feel like /r/incels in here...

[tlieberman240]

If Trump isn't a racist, why is he working so hard to ban Muslims from entering the country?

If Trump isn't a racist, why is he working so hard to prevent latin americans from entering the country?


Muslims from select countries for a finite period of time. Obama did this too.

Stricter immigration policies and more deportation. Obama did this too. In fact, not too long ago, Obama, Hillary, Schumer, and more were adamantly for stricter immigration.

You can be complacent one minute, then outraged the next

Not saying I support these decisions, but there needs to be consistency.

[tlieberman240]

I disagree with a lot of HRC's politics, she's much too conservative for my tastes.

I don't think conservative means what you think it means

[tlieberman240]

tlieberman240 my apologies. I will walk back my statement. No problem.

My two questions still apply. Thanks for taking the time. It's just very difficult to get a straight answer from folks outside of Fox News talking points unfortunately :(

Sorry for the late response. Work has been chaotic. I actually had my response typed out, but I decided to cut it down a lot because I’m sure most wouldn’t read my full response. So, I’ll try and keep it brief. To be fair though, may arguments I see from others are nothing more than CNN, MSNBC, HuffPost, etc talking points.

But honestly, I don't watch Fox. Don't even have cable lol. Rarely even go to their site for news, because I can't stand Fox.

First, I didn’t vote for Trump. Reason being is because I don't think that he possessed the necessary qualities or attributes that I believe a presidential candidate should have. There are quite a few other candidates from the Republican party I would have preferred.

Second, I believe many people were just voting for who they believed to be the "lesser of two evils". Both candidates were severely flawed. The problem I see, from people of both sides is the hatred that is so easily spewed towards the other. I see so many people on the right immediately calling those with left leaning ideologies things like "libtards", "snowflakes" etc etc, while those on the left calling anybody with right leaning ideologies -especially those who supported Trump- "racist" "hateful" "bigot" "nazi" "white supremacist" etc etc. Neither is productive. Then both just turn around and call each other hypocrits lol. :facepalm:

I have friends/family on both sides of the aisle, politically and they're damned good people. Hard working, intelligent, honest, caring, and courteous. None of them want to see the world burn. Any reasonable citizen wants to see the country succeed and progress; the difference is what method we believe will get us there.

For myself, I believe our government is too corrupt, selfish, lazy, and incompetent, and are often incapable of handling their already given responsibility; thus, I’d prefer if we, as a people, didn’t give them any more. That being said, by political preference is more conservative/libertarian than liberal or progressive.

I only bring this up to be transparent with my political views. Now, onto HRC.

Few things I disliked. First, the “basket of deplorable” statement. Divisive, and goes back to what I said above. Are there shitty people who voted for Trump? Absolutely. Are there shitty people who voted for HRC? Absolutely. The vast majority though? Doubtful.

Next, the e-mail scandal. People will roll their eyes about this. I’m not hooked on this, however, my problem is the lack of accountability. The whole “there was no criminal intent” doesn’t stand with me. A sailor was jailed for taking a few photos of a classified area. HRC has an abundance of emails containing classified info on a private server and hardly even a slap on the wrist. The fact that she seems to be above the law is what irritates me. Regardless of who it is, I think people (especially in government) need to be held accountable for their actions.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/01/hillary-clinton-email-investigations-trump-justice-department-revives-motive-criminal-intent/
http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-comey-emails-1494374889-htmlstory.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/20/us-navy-sailor-jailed-for-taking-photos-of-classified-areas-of-nuclear-submarine

Next is the topic of guns. I’m 100% pro 2A. Not a fan of the NRA or any of that nonsense. Though I do believe I have the right to defend myself and my family. HRC seems to have negative views towards the 2A and her proposed method of handling it have seemed to flip flop over the years. That being said, I’d rather not have her in a position which can impact the status of it. I can keep going, but I’ll stop there to keep it brief.

Now, with all of this in mind, I’ll say that Trump really isn’t any better. He’s severely flawed and has said some things much worse. Again, he wasn’t my first choice. Most people have a specific issue or set of issues which they find most important, and vote according to that. For some people, that’s health care issues, to others that’s income tax, to others that’s the 2A, etc etc. That being said, if I HAD to vote for one of the two on election day, I would’ve voted Trump simply because his campaign statements aligned more with what I found important to myself. My candidate didn’t make it passed the primaries though, so that’s that. I was also much more conservative during the elections, but have slowly drifted to being more libertarian.

That’s really it. I believe as though Hillary has obtained the status of being above the law and seems to be untouchable. I think she should be out of public service indefinitely. I hope that better candidates come along for 2020.

At the end of the day though, I think people should just be able to live their own life without the government or “offended” people interfering in everything.

So long as you’re an honest, respectful person who doesn’t have intent to harm me or my friends/family, you’re welcome over at my house any time. We can hang, have a couple drinks, work on cars, shoot the shit, eat some killer food, go to the shooting range, whatever. The instant you want to start insulting me or my family or show hostility/animosity simply because our religious or political views differ though, then you can get lost.

[gbaby2089]

I don't think conservative means what you think it means

I know it better than you.

Unless my bookcase full of books on international & domestic politics, political theory & history are all wrong.

[tlieberman240]

I know it better than you.

Unless my bookcase full of books on international & domestic politics, political theory & history are all wrong.

You don't know anything about me but are making claims while putting yourself on a pedestal at the same time.

lol cool.

[gbaby2089]

You said I don't know what conservative is.

I do. I meant EXACTLY what I said.

Hillary is not liberal. Hillary is a standard neoliberal, ever so slightly left of center. She is closer to a Republican than she is to me politically.

[tlieberman240]

You said I don't know what conservative is.

I do. I meant EXACTLY what I said.

Hillary is not liberal. Hillary is a standard neoliberal, ever so slightly left of center. She is closer to a Republican than she is to me politically.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/18/upshot/hillary-clinton-and-the-2016-democrats-mostly-liberal-together.html

Most would disagree. Hillary is quite left. Not the most left. But pretty far.

[gbaby2089]

That link redirects to wayfair?

Obama was too conservative.
HRC was too conservative.

Anyone who thinks Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama were liberals doesn't know what liberal means.

[tlieberman240]

If Hillary is republican, then Bernie is left-centered.... which is not the case lol. That guy is suuuuuuuper far left

[tlieberman240]

That link redirects to wayfair?

Obama was too conservative.
HRC was too conservative.

Anyone who thinks Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama were liberals doesn't know what liberal means.

Hmmm.

Elaborate then.


EDIT: Different site, but same information pulled from the same source https://www.cnn.com/2015/01/14/politics/crowdpac-video-and-story/index.html

[gbaby2089]

Too often Americans limit themselves to the "American" versions of liberal & conservative.

For American politics in the post 9/11 world, sure HRC/Obama are 'left of center,' but we're living in an ever more conservative country. Well, governmentally at minimum, even if socially traditionally liberal ideas are more popular than ever before.

Very few democrats are willing to fight for universal health care.
Very few democrats are willing to work to actually make housing, food or college more affordable.
Very few democrats would ever even consider proposing a basic income.
Very few (no?) democrats would ever consider nationalization of industry.
Very few democrats would ever campaign for an actual consolidation of our military.
Very few democrats would ever actually do anything to reduce our prison population (shout out to Philadelphia!)

And on, and on.

[tlieberman240]

Too often Americans limit themselves to the "American" versions of liberal & conservative.

For American politics in the post 9/11 world, sure HRC/Obama are 'left of center,' but we're living in an ever more conservative country. Well, governmentally at minimum, even if socially traditionally liberal ideas are more popular than ever before.

Very few democrats are willing to fight for universal health care.
Very few democrats are willing to work to actually make housing, food or college more affordable.
Very few democrats would ever even consider proposing a basic income.
Very few (no?) democrats would ever consider nationalization of industry.
Very few democrats would ever campaign for an actual consolidation of our military.
Very few democrats would ever actually do anything to reduce our prison population (shout out to Philadelphia!)

And on, and on.

If we're comparing the current state of this country to the history of the rest of the world, then comparitively speaking - yes, you're right.

I'm speaking more on just the present day/recent US.

[Corbic]

The stupid in this thread is unreal.

[tlieberman240]

The stupid in this thread is unreal.

Best response in this thread.

:bigok:

[gbaby2089]

If we're comparing the current state of this country to the history of the rest of the world, then comparitively speaking - yes, you're right.

I'm speaking more on just the present day/recent US.

I think that's the issue with a lot of Americans/American voters/American politicians. We forget our place in history, we forget history, we fail to learn from it & always repeat its failures.

All of Trump's policies have been applied in the past, whether within the US or abroad. The results are known. The results are not pretty.

[tlieberman240]

I think that's the issue with a lot of Americans/American voters/American politicians. We forget our place in history, we forget history, we fail to learn from it & always repeat its failures.

All of Trump's policies have been applied in the past, whether within the US or abroad. The results are known. The results are not pretty.

Fair enough.

[SimpleS14]

Any thoughts on Trump's sudden concern with saving jobs in China, days after the Chinese government approved $500M in loans for a Trump Organization project?

IMO, this move may have violated the Emoluments Clause. It also contradicts the "America First" objective.

[gbaby2089]

Any thoughts on Trump's sudden concern with saving jobs in China, days after the Chinese government approved $500M in loans for a Trump Organization project?

IMO, this move may have violated the Emoluments Clause. It also contradicts the "America First" objective.

Well in line with the long standing Trump's Wallet First objective though.

[VNG704]

So is the Helsinki summit proof Putin got that pee video of Don or is the Don just an idiot? I just don't know any other reason why he'd make himself look like a b**** before the world.

[gbaby2089]

I just don't know any other reason why he'd make himself look like a b**** before the world.

He's a coward.
He's an idiot.
He thinks it made him look tough & cool.

Do I think he is deeply compromised by Russia? Yes, hell yes.

Do I think it is possible he is simply catastrophically stupid? Oh hell yes.

[RalliartRsX]

Don't pay attention to the smoke and mirrors of Russian. Much bigger fish to fry on the home front

Perfect example of how the well oiled trump machine works. While everyone is yelling about trump and Russia, the U.S. Treasury moves to protect identities of 'dark money' political donors......this occurring the very same day Betina gets arrested (actually within hours).

U.S. Treasury moves to protect identities of 'dark money' political donors
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-tax-groups/u-s-treasury-moves-to-protect-identities-of-dark-money-political-donors-idUSKBN1K704F


This little nugget dropped late last Friday while everyone was out reporting on trumps private pee pee tapes
White House budget projects $1 trillion deficit in 2019
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/397445-white-house-budget-projects-1-trillion-deficit-in-2019

Party before country and *** those libtards!!! amirite.........

[gbaby2089]

Oh I saw that as well.

Russians only come up in response to the question above.

Literally everything the Republicans have done in the last 17 months has been bad for this country, in the short & long term.

[SimpleS14]

To some it's been an on-going theory since 2016 (or earlier), that Russia has something on DJT. This summit (IMO) solidifies this even more that he's been compromised. Additionally, the solo meeting also puts the US in a compromising position with Russia. The US government is lost since no one, other than the translator, knows what was agreed upon with Russia. I wouldn't put it past Russia to have an audio recording of the meeting and quite possibly doctor the audio if needed.

I can only wonder what will be the breaking point to get his supporters to shift their opinion on his administration.

[RalliartRsX]

So.......everyone still on a that trump ship?? :D :D :D

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[feito]

LOL, you guys. Let me guess, any day now?

[RalliartRsX]

That kool-aid must be like unicorn juice....

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[SimpleS14]

To some it's been an on-going theory since 2016 (or earlier), that Russia has something on DJT.

The recently court filings have given the public some more insight into this. The "Moscow Project" was being done in secret during the campaign. Sure you can say it's part of his private business, but during the campaign there was absolute denial ANYTHING was being done with Russia. Russia was also playing along with this denial the whole time, some might even call it a conspiracy. It's also not illegal to work with Russia, however, this deal would have involved a US sanctioned bank for funding...which is illegal for any US company to work with.

Had this information come out during the campaign, who knows what the impact would have been. It also gives more pause to why the administration was so quick to try to drop/ease sanctions on Russia soon after inauguration.


Tons of his close associates arrested.
Unprecedented turnover.
Unprecedented time off of 'work.'
A stagnant stock market (something a president doesn't normally have influence over, but his fans love to support his business 'merit').

Also the following is under criminal investigation either by Special Counsel Office, DOJ, NY AG or Manhattan DA :

The campaign
The transition team
The inauguration committee
Private business and charity foundation

[RalliartRsX]

The fact that no one had a red flag go off when djt called on Russia to find HRC emails is telling.

That in and of itself should have raised PLENTY of red flags. When has the US been cozy withe KGB? But yet, you get folks like this below....

It's a very clear brainwashing and a complete irreverence for history and the US/KGB relation and just a decision to be completely ignorant and embrace one's own self bias, although it is seated in a shit ton of falsehood.

But hey, no collusion! NO COLLUSION!!! Pffft.

Carry on

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/jByyWMLk4iDm_c4UtT3PQM4LiJk=/1400x1400/filters:format(jpeg)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/11932223/Dj2e0w9VAAAraKs.jpg

[RalliartRsX]

So GOP controls House, Senate and Presidency for 2 years, and here we are without a proper budget. The GOP can't even get their own president to sign off on a CR because it doesn't include the wall no one but trump want's built.

So shut the government down right before Christmas it is.

Yep, that is your president. Good work!

Oh and that de-nuclearization by NK that pompeo and trump touted and said all but done...........NK just shoved up two middle fingers and said "Effff youuuu!!!"

Then to piss of a portion of the bass, the trump admin passes a ban on bump stops

trumps charity is ordered to shut down due to allegation of him using funds for his personal benefit

And oh......the SS who are sworn to protect him, will work without pay if the government shuts down tomorrow while trump is vacationing in FL........because trump refuses to sign a CR (which I is some shit to begin with as still no legit budget)

Then you have Mueller hot on his heels with several more guilty verdicts. That is up to 33 or maybe more just the past 6 months.

And this all since Monday. It aint even Friday yet

Yep. What a dumpster fire.

[TheRealSy90]

Still a better president than Hillary would have been.

[RalliartRsX]

Still a better president than Hillary would have been.

:picardfp:

Is that the only rebuttal you have?? Sad......

Continue to ride that train! I am sure it will end up somewhere cool at some point this century........

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[SimpleS14]

At some point, this has to become unsustainable for Congress (especially the GOP Senate majority). I don't know what that tipping point would be, but hopefully it won't be something extreme as starting a hot war.

[RalliartRsX]

At some point, this has to become unsustainable for Congress (especially the GOP Senate majority). I don't know what that tipping point would be, but hopefully it won't be something extreme as starting a hot war.

Did you not see Jim Jordan last night?? Yeah, the GOP is well past entrenched and it is now a party of trump.

I feel no remorse for a single one of them. trump's track record should have already been a major red flag and yet, here we are.

The GOP has the house, senate and presidency, and the only thing they have done is
- Literally had every single adult in the room resign and throw up the bird. Current turnover rate is something on the order of 65%+ turnover which is orders of magnitude greater than any administration at this point in time. Worse so, something like 60-80% unfilled roles),
https://www.brookings.edu/research/tracking-turnover-in-the-trump-administration/
- Become Putin little bitch
- Screw trade relations,
- Fuck over instead of properly fix healthcare
- Gut the EPA. Black lung disease for folks in OH and PA who whole heartedly voted trump. There is a current savings portfolio which the .gov is suppose to replenish however it is $4B in depth and runs the risk of growing that even more because they were busy trying to fight off investigation after investigation to re-instate the fund
- Fuck over farmers and pretend to fix it by passing a bill that was already passed,ignoring the fact that farmers have ALWAYS been heavily subsidized by the .gov),
- The collusion investigation with over 33 guilty pleas,
- Have a temperamental SOC nomination, and still not pass a single fucking budget. The one job they have, to pass a budget and they couldn't even do that with control of EVERYTHING! This has been the most inept government in recent history

Yet, I repeat, you have folk (like the picture) stating they rather be a Russian than a democrat and still riding he dumpster fire.......or "butter emails!!"
Faux News is still running "Butter EMAILS!" headlines, 2+ years after she lost.

Yeah, let that sink in....

P.S Schumer is an idiot. And I think Pelosi, although a very capable speaker, needs to work from behind the curtain, and let a new face with no baggage be the face, so yeah. Still nothing like the raging dumbster fire scross the isle.

[Phlip]

At some point, this has to become unsustainable for Congress (especially the GOP Senate majority). I don't know what that tipping point would be, but hopefully it won't be something extreme as starting a hot war.

You will NEVER get a real response in support of this shitstorm
Only "what about..." and the likes

[RalliartRsX]

.....3 partial government shutdowns in less than a year with the GOP occupying the House, Senate and the presidency.

Also, worse yet, Mattis is about to resign. That is some scary shit...

Again, let that sink in.....

[FaLKoN240]

.....3 partial government shutdowns in less than a year with the GOP occupying the House, Senate and the presidency.

Also, worse yet, Mattis is about to resign. That is some scary shit...

Again, let that sink in.....

He's out over early over some statements he made. Trump found his replacement already.

[RalliartRsX]

He's out over early over some statements he made. Trump found his replacement already.

trump tapping someone for a position in nis admin =/= said pick will accept job........unless ambushed like pretty Mickey Rickey Mulvanney

trump tapped 2 or 3 folks for CoS and all turned it down.

Working with the trump admin is like going to play for the Lions. Its where folks go to kill their career....

[Phlip]

Mattis leaving might be the move that spooks the rest of the GOP back into their senses and the fuck away from this dude.
Alas, they're mildly stupid and it likely won't

[RalliartRsX]

Nope.

See lindsay graham......jim jordan.......Fully entrenched and embraced and willing to ride the flaming wreck all the way to end.

P.S At this point, even if the gop changes their tune, they are forever dead to me. Every single one of them that stood behind him is complicit. They knew EXACTLY what they were getting themselves and subsequently the people of the US into, and I refuse to accept they suddenly had a change of heart. Newt and his cronies have been at this for the better part of 2 decades. Shit like this doesn't happen overnight. The very same can be said for the the folks who supported trump willfully with his ridiculously checkered past and shitty rhetoric and a MASSIVE amount of evidence that the what we have now, is the exact outcome they expected because "butter her emails!" or "Owning dem libs son!" Those folks don't just have a change of heart overnight and just like Flynn, they are willing to sell out both their freedom and their own country, if it means it pisses off all the libs.......whatever the fuck that means.

You simply cannot support 1 or 2 of trumps rhetoric (border protection for example) without also supporting the entire flamming racist, masogynistic, incapable, inexperienced, collusion flaming pile. That's just not the way it works.
No thanks.

[RalliartRsX]

Ohhh....And bceause trump is such a POS, instead of waiting for Mattis to resign properly, he has requested his removal by Jan 1!! Just in 2 hours ago

What in the ever living fuck is this.......Literally the only thing standing in the way of Russia, ISIS re-establishment and Chinese hacking, has essentially been removed from office

Yep. To hell with anyone who willfully supported this.......

[drift freaq]

Well might as well add this Mnuchin called all the big banks over the weekend jus to make sure they can survive a financial turn down and tweets about it. End results fuels the bears in the stock market to sell sell sell. Causing this to be the worst Christsmas Eve on record.
These phone calls were done at Trumps suggestion.

I am hoping wrecking the economy completely is not what it takes to get these idiots out of office.

[Phlip]

It's as if they're playing a psychological game where they show that they CAN fuck the country and will then cite that as a reason to vote them in and give them ANYTHING they want or they will make it REALLY hurt the next time.

[RalliartRsX]

So what happened to all the Zilvia trump supporters? I am genuinely curious to hear how or if your stance has changed any and why.

This time last year, this thread hosted a overwhelming amount of trump support, but have since remained very quiet...

[dbeiler]

So what happened to all the Zilvia trump supporters? I am genuinely curious to hear how or if your stance has changed any and why.

This time last year, this thread hosted a overwhelming amount of trump support, but have since remained very quiet...

I've just reread this whole thread. 240s are a very California thing and California has always been extremely left. It's not shocking to see a 240 forum poll lean left. Try this on a Camaro forum. Would you be surprised to see a poll lean right? Of course not!


99% of this thread is just you, Philip, and gbaby stroking each other off about everything going wrong. Reread this thread and correct me if I'm wrong.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

Yeah I’m bowing out. It’s just not worth raising my blood pressure over.

Done. 100%.



So what happened to all the Zilvia trump supporters? I am genuinely curious to hear how or if your stance has changed any and why.

This time last year, this thread hosted a overwhelming amount of trump support, but have since remained very quiet...

Assuming you weren’t talking about me since I already explained myself.

[lewisfk]

I just completed my retirement package for the Navy, and I can submit it as early as February. I never thought I would leave after completing 20 years when I have the ability to serve for 25. The chaos in the W.H. is the number one factor for my decision. I'm not alone, as a Career Counselor there are several retirement packages sitting on my desk. 2019 will be the start of a mass exodus for senior personnel in the Navy and many other Branches of service. The New Secretary of the Defense has no military service or political service before joining this administration.COD does not count! Anyone here with 18 years or more of service?

[supersayianjim]

thank emperor trump for the cheap fuel and getting us the fuck out of the middle east(so he says). fuck Israel, let them die for their own wars!!

[Corbic]

thank emperor trump for the cheap fuel and getting us the fuck out of the middle east(so he says). fuck Israel, let them die for their own wars!!Syria is not Israel. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190111/d9aff533de07739314021d44a5a8d33b.jpg

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[RalliartRsX]

Mexico paid for that wall yet??

Currently furloughed with wife 8.5 months pregnant....thanks Obama?? Oh wait....

[Corbic]

Time to get a real job. $5 billion is a drop in the bucket. Democrats are just doing their best impersonation of.... https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190111/08ea4509ef3cd693b626a08b40895359.jpg

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[20 til 3]

Pretty sad that the Syria deal was a media show off and there is no actual plan of action. He sure is playing military people in a poor fashion.

[RalliartRsX]

Time to get a real job. $5 billion is a drop in the bucket. Democrats are just doing their best impersonation of....

So, NO is your answer to the question on if Mexico is paying for the wall. Thanks for confirming lol

Can you tell me the difference between border security and the wall?? Because the media sure as hell cannot.

Questions; what is the number one method for drugs entering the country and people entering "illegally"?? Hint; its NOT through the southern border.

Also, if you are going to build a wall, I would advise to NOT make it out of paper machete.

https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2019/01/11/11-border-wall-steel-prototype-nbc-news-exclusive.w700.h700.jpg

Oh the irony; GOP screams about negligent government spending.......turns around and says "give me the wall! that can be cut with a butter knife..........and lets balloon the deficit to the largest it has been in over 10 years"

P.S Not a fan of Chuck and Pelosi either so yeah. All of the congress assholes have gone home for the weekend as well, so yeah. What a shitshow.........

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[spooled240]

Questions; what is the number one method for drugs entering the country and people entering "illegally"?? Hint; its NOT through the southern border.


Curious about this. Please elaborate.



Also, if you are going to build a wall, I would advise to NOT make it out of paper machete.


Are you saying we need a bigger, stronger wall? If not, what would be a more viable solution to protect the southern border?