Donald Trump For President

[kashira kureijii]

just got fired, thanks fam



Hope your not serious, i took the shit down, i didnt really think about people at work. Im sorry, thats my bad

[Zachsta]

When we're at war with nations who are predominately Muslim MAYBE it makes a bit of sense to start screening them harder when trying to enter our country. Are the crusades and several other battles between Western and Middle Eastern culture in the past? Yes. Does that mean that everything is kosher and we're ready to start letting them flock into our country while a significant amount (note I said significant NOT a majority) want to see our way of life slowly crumble? I don't think so. I'm sure not every galaxy note 7 will explode when you put it on an airplane but those have been banned because 1/1000 blowing up in flight has been deemed a great enough risk to justify keeping them off.

Well, at the same time I'm pretty sure that's not what we're saying either. In fact, I do agree with screening harder, but I believe it goes for everyone, not just of Islamic faith/Muslim.

Im hoping the islam ban goes ahead, cuz my hometown has a huge Somali muslim population that they brought in under the pretext of "christian refugees". All of them are on welfare, and they are constantly causing criminal problems for our police. A while back one of their 14 year old "wives" was dumped on the street beat to shit, and the police werent allowed to prosecute anybody, cuz its just their "culture". The hospital also has to constantly deal with genital mutilation cases. They were supposed to work at this slaughter plant, and all of them quit, so they brought in a bunch of really cool and really hard working burmese people to work instead.
The muslims just sorta live in their ghetto now, causing problems and shit.

No one gets along with muslims, christians dont, Sikhs dont, hindus dont, jews dont, hell not even buddhists can tolerate em ,there is mass anti muslim sentiment in burma and thailand.

The ones you may know seem alright cuz they know they"re the minority, but when they become the majority they"re gonna rape your freakin children fam.

The world would lose absolutely nothing if muslims never existed

But kashira - Feel free to keep letting us know how we're sheep, because we don't see it exactly like you do. ( I edited my post, because I misunderstood what you were saying.) At the same time, this is Zilvia, we deal with enough "shock factor" throughout the day, so no need to work off of that.

All in all, in my opinion, everyone entering the country should be screened hard, for the safety of everyone. Has nothing to do with race, religion, who the president is, etc.

[kashira kureijii]

Well, at the same time I'm pretty sure that's not what we're saying either. In fact, I do agree with screening harder, but I believe it goes for everyone, not just of Islamic faith/Muslim.



But kashira - Feel free to keep letting us know how we're sheep, because we don't see it exactly like you do. ( I edited my post, because I misunderstood what you were saying.) At the same time, this is Zilvia, we deal with enough "shock factor" throughout the day, so no need to work off of that.

All in all, in my opinion, everyone entering the country should be screened hard, for the safety of everyone. Has nothing to do with race, religion, who the president is, etc.



Id have to say i agree as well, i just feel like when people say muslim immigration, you kinda get the image of mass unsupervised immigration. I was getting a little excessive, but the point is we kinda have to do whats safest. The constitution allows religious freedom, so we cant really do anything about that, but there definitely needs to be some form of security

Also I'm not a serial killer, those were from google images, kinda worried I got other people in trouble

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[zombiewolf513]

my post was hyperbole, but uhhh just to play devil's advocate - how is saying trump is intolerant divisive? just look at everything he's done and said over the years. can anyone really argue that it isn't a fact? legitimately want to know :)

yes, the people did speak and they voted for hillary, but she didn't get the electoral votes so...

i can't imagine the people who voted for trump wanting to come together with poc, lgbt+, millennials, immigrants, or anyone who didn't support him after he spent his entire campaign making them look scary :ugh:

Saying Trump is intolerant is not divisive, but generalizing an electorate demographic is.

Sorry, misread your tone. I was hearing millenials talking like that all day driving me nuts.

Id have to say i agree as well, i just feel like when people say muslim immigration, you kinda get the image of mass unsupervised immigration.

You might, I do not. I see those deadly little skittles floating around Trump Jr was talking about. I think you're thinking of the word 'migration' not 'immigration' lol

I agree that everyone needs to be screened hard.
No verifiable background, no entry. personal traits be damned.

BTW:
-Stocks rose to there highest ever
-Middle Eastern leaders and Mexican President say theyre excited to work with Trump
-Syrians are talking about peace so Trump and Putin don't blow loads on em
-Iran is scared
-Having Russia not be a stern enemy would be good
-Trump has reached out to represent all Americans and dropped the muslim ban rhetoric from his website
-You can tell after his briefing with Obama the gravity of the situation is hitting him, and the secret breifings are making his asshole REAL tight.

So far so good IMO, regardless of the shade people want to throw

[Future240]

I'd like to clarify as well. I completely agreed with taken caution and care in allowing in people from area's with war and violence.


I am just against being bigoted towards and entire group of people based on the actions of the few.

[do it sideways]

coming from an immigrant who wasn't born in this country, we need to slow down the process of any immigrant coming in period. we are getting way too overpopulated! I also feel if we are going to be accepting any immigrants from any Muslim countries, it should be other religious minorities if anything. because if you think about it they are the ones getting mistreated for believing in a different religion in a Muslim populated country. ask me how i know, im very unbaised and i just want the best for this country, and if people give trump a chance, i think we can start to see change.

[STR8 H8N]

https://media.giphy.com/media/l0MYzDw7ENPmvLb7G/source.gif

so...

no one cares about anyone

but themself these dayz

wake up

[VNG704]

This is like 10 minor things compared to like the million things western civilization has invented/developed. Also its compiled by CNN.
They didnt invent the fucking flying machine, if they did, they wouldn't be running around on camels and shit before there was western influence. Flying machine designs go way back to greek times. They didnt invent algebra and mathematics, what is listed is a single minor contribution . Greeks(pythagorean theoream) and the chinese(abacus) had already been doing math shit for like 1500 years when this shit came about. As for the invention of "hospitals" that is complete bullshit, they just say that the arabic arrangement of hospitals kinda reflects modern hospitals, not the technology medicine etc. Hospitals/doctors had been in existence for a long time with Hippocrates and medicine in pre-islamic Egypt.

The whole list is just drivel to discourage people from arriving at conclusions based on historic knowledge. The discrepancy between western invention and the rest of the world is titanic.
Microbiology, physics,chemistry, nuclear power, aerospace, engineering, medicine, 99% of all development in these areas came from western sources.

All they could come up with for muslim "invention" was a super shitty list of 10, i could list like 500 great western inventions off the top of my head.

This is like saying you think the history channel is a vital source of understanding.

Yall are just infected with this silly idea of tolerance, even when you have nothing to gain from it, and you actually lose out. Dont be freakin simple and say "not all people are bad, bla bla" not all communists could be termed "bad" I'm sure some just wanted equality and shit, but the idea led to the deaths of hundreds of millions of people.

Dont be so basic about shit, read history and understand how things developed the way they did, instead of just listing idiotic popular culture propaganda.

Millions of western people died to prevent muslims from destroying western culture, without them there would no Zilvia, there would be no cars, there would be no election. Dont spit on 1000"s of years of sacrifice over this disney channel bullshit.
I see why you think Japanese people wish they were white. You have an odd way of seeing people. You lied about being empathetic. lol

What I hate about Trump is his campaign strategy. I don't know if he's really a racist or a xenophobe, but he definately used fear and hate to push himself to presidency. Basic strategy elites use to control the common people, divide and conquer. You cannot be a leader, President of the United fking States by starting out dividing the nation. It's going to be a difficult presidency for Mr. Trump. Voted to support Trump on this poll because he's our President and I want the US to succeed.

[kashira kureijii]

I see why you think Japanese people wish they were white. You have an odd way of seeing people. You lied about being empathetic. lol







hey, gotta hide being an angry young man there fam. I act empathetic in strategic manner haha.



To be fair corbic said that, i just said they wished they had a more unique phenotype, and thats why they dye their hair all the time

seriously though, people need to be especially wary when the unknown consequences for others may be so great. Don't just tout an agenda of everyone else being terrible bigots for not wanting potentially dangerous ideological groups from entering the country, as a spiteful method of supporting ones own political sphere.

Lots of people don't know of the terrible genocide against religious minorities in muslim countries, yet will tout a "don't label whole groups" position. The oppression is systemic in almost all muslim countries (ie government endorsed), so it greatly hints at intolerant violence being the majority opinion among muslims.

[Frank_Jaeger]

I see why you think Japanese people wish they were white. You have an odd way of seeing people. You lied about being empathetic. lol

What I hate about Trump is his campaign strategy. I don't know if he's really a racist or a xenophobe, but he definately used fear and hate to push himself to presidency. Basic strategy elites use to control the common people, divide and conquer. You cannot be a leader, President of the United fking States by starting out dividing the nation. It's going to be a difficult presidency for Mr. Trump. Voted to support Trump on this poll because he's our President and I want the US to succeed.
And here I thought it was the overtly biased media desperately portraying Trump as those things in an attempt to make him lose the election. I didn't realize parading as a racist homophobic xenophobic bigot was so alluring, but with all these informative Facebook posts claiming America is collectively racist homophobic xenophobic, it must be true! Thanks for enlightening me.

[spooled240]

Hope your not serious, i took the shit down, i didnt really think about people at work. Im sorry, thats my bad

no i didn't get fired. my scrolling skills are superb.

[pacotaco345]

What I hate about Trump is his campaign strategy. I don't know if he's really a racist or a xenophobe, but he definately used fear and hate to push himself to presidency. Basic strategy elites use to control the common people, divide and conquer. You cannot be a leader, President of the United fking States by starting out dividing the nation. It's going to be a difficult presidency for Mr. Trump. Voted to support Trump on this poll because he's our President and I want the US to succeed.

Trump didn't do that, the media did, and it backfired on them. Now instead of Trump being elected with the support of a bunch of level headed individuals, he was elected by (or at least portrayed by the media as being elected by) a bunch of irrational, hateful backwater hicks.




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[Future240]

no i didn't get fired. my scrolling skills are superb.



Speaking of


*Puts on Mod Hat*




To kashira kureijii, please refrain from posting things like that on Zilvia. I am not pinking you as you did remove it before I saw them (I can see your edits if I so choose to) gore/death photos are equal to porn on zilvia in the NFSW category. I do thank you for taking them down so quickly.






In other news


http://www.proudcons.com/ben-carson-just-announced-his-role-in-trump-admin-obamas-legacy-is-gone/

[VNG704]

And here I thought it was the overtly biased media desperately portraying Trump as those things in an attempt to make him lose the election. I didn't realize parading as a racist homophobic xenophobic bigot was so alluring, but with all these informative Facebook posts claiming America is collectively racist homophobic xenophobic, it must be true! Thanks for enlightening me.
Instead of focusing on illegal immigration in a more mature way he chose to label the Mexican immigrants rapists, criminals, and "not the best people." That's hate and that's fear mongering.

[VNG704]

Trump didn't do that, the media did, and it backfired on them. Now instead of Trump being elected with the support of a bunch of level headed individuals, he was elected by (or at least portrayed by the media as being elected by) a bunch of irrational, hateful backwater hicks.




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But did he not call the MExicans that are coming here rapists and criminals? He did. I know he ended that statement with "I assume some of them are good." Well, duh! Nice save, Donald. He won because Hillary lost, not because he makes a good Pres. He won because the Dems wanted Clinton instead of Sanders.

[kashira kureijii]

no i didn't get fired. my scrolling skills are superb.



Good job, NSFW ninja


To be fair, some are actually rapists and criminals, ive worked with illegals who said they didnt think a lot of the people coming over are good ones, and kinda hinted that a pretty good amount of them arent good news. Illegals themselves told that to me, so you cant think what ya want about it.

Definitely need to have zero tolerance for immigrants and crime, if you"re an immigrant, you"re a guest here, and need to act appropriately . The second they commit a significant crime i think they should be deported immediately, and barred from ever entering the country again.


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[Future240]

Definitely need to have zero tolerance for immigrants and crime, if you"re an immigrant, you"re a guest here, and need to act appropriately . The second they commit a significant crime i think they should be deported immediately, and barred from ever entering the country again.


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I agree with most of this, except zero tolerance, That is never a good idea. There are always exceptional situations to consider


If someone is here and commits a crime. I agree certain crimes warrant deportation. Violent crimes, sexual crimes (not peeing out doors or getting caught getting busy in a park) theft above a certain $ amount etc.


Get convicted, get sent back.


Now I also have to play devils advocate.


This could lead to some law enforcement officer laying on heavy charges trying to get people deported based on their own bias beliefs.

[rawgarage]

Now honestly, we gotta sit back and let the shit play out....

[zombiewolf513]

But did he not call the MExicans that are coming here rapists and criminals? He did. I know he ended that statement with "I assume some of them are good." Well, duh! Nice save, Donald. He won because Hillary lost, not because he makes a good Pres. He won because the Dems wanted Clinton instead of Sanders.

He was referring to illegal immigrants. People already subverting the immigration system the country has in place, not ALL Mexicans. This has been made clear by Trump, his admin, the majority of his supporters...

People aren't out there right now commiting mass hate crimes against minority communities, despite the amount of 'fear' the people protesting say they have.
People are protesting while dems and repubs are watching them :picardfp: , waiting for ignorant protests to turn into riotous violence :drama:


Definitely need to have zero tolerance for immigrants and crime, if you"re an immigrant, you"re a guest here, and need to act appropriately . The second they commit a significant crime i think they should be deported immediately, and barred from ever entering the country again.

Where are they going to go? No one is going to take a criminal back. That's why we need to tighten the immigration belt buckle and say, "Alleged xynophobia/racism be damned, we only want good people here." If you're a good person, get in line. If you don't want to get in line, then youre clearly ready to subvert the rest of American law during your stay.

[VNG704]

He was referring to illegal immigrants. People already subverting the immigration system the country has in place, not ALL Mexicans. This has been made clear by Trump, his admin, the majority of his supporters...

People aren't out there right now commiting mass hate crimes against minority communities, despite the amount of 'fear' the people protesting say they have.
People are protesting while dems and repubs are watching them :picardfp: , waiting for ignorant protests to turn into riotous violence :drama:



Where are they going to go? No one is going to take a criminal back. That's why we need to tighten the immigration belt buckle and say, "Alleged xynophobia/racism be damned, we only want good people here." If you're a good person, get in line. If you don't want to get in line, then youre clearly ready to subvert the rest of American law during your stay.
Oh I see. The illegals are the rapist criminals. Um hm.

[zombiewolf513]

Oh I see. The illegals are the rapist criminals. Um hm.

Oh I see. All illegals are angels crossing the border from heaven

[VNG704]

Oh I see. All illegals are angels crossing the border from heaven
Lol. Wow, all I gotta say about that reply.

[zombiewolf513]

Lol. Wow, all I gotta say about that reply.

Tuck Frump

[kashira kureijii]

Tuck Frump



I remember that shitty video haha
They paid this asian chick to say he hates Asians even though that was never said or implied ever.

[SimpleS14]

Thoughts on Trump appointing Steve Bannon to Chief Strategist?

IMO, if Trump wanted to separate himself from being labeled as racist or a xenophobe...maybe you don't pick a guy like Steve Bannon....

[Future240]

Not a good pick. I seen conservatives on /r/conservative saying how he is an alt right member.

[kashira kureijii]

Alot of the racist claims against bannon are unfounded though, most are based on what his ex wife says, and shes just trying to get money. I think its an alright pick, theyre just spreading rumors cuz republicans want one of their patsy"s in charge


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[kashira kureijii]

this came up in my youtube feed haha

I lmao'd when they re-enact trumps military school days and him getting slapped in the face

the last 5 minutes is unrelated though
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[SimpleS14]

Alot of the racist claims against bannon are unfounded though, most are based on what his ex wife says, and shes just trying to get money. I think its an alright pick, theyre just spreading rumors cuz republicans want one of their patsy"s in charge


Breitbart. Can't forget he was a main driver behind that site.

[kashira kureijii]

Breitbart. Can't forget he was a main driver behind that site.



And breitbart is racist how? I mean i dont subscribe to it, but you"re gonna have to give a definitive example

[SimpleS14]

And breitbart is racist how? I mean i dont subscribe to it, but you"re gonna have to give a definitive example

This is just IMO, but here are some the headlines/articles floating on that site:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/01/hoist-it-high-and-proud-the-confederate-flag-proclaims-a-glorious-heritage/

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/15/bill-kristol-republican-spoiler-renegade-jew/

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/08/birth-control-makes-women-unattractive-and-crazy/

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/03/22/polling-muslims-in-the-west-increasingly-sympathise-with-extremism-terror/

http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/07/05/solution-online-harassment-simple-women-log-off/

[kashira kureijii]

I don't subscribe to it either, but here are some the headlines/articles floating on that site:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/01/hoist-it-high-and-proud-the-confederate-flag-proclaims-a-glorious-heritage/

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/15/bill-kristol-republican-spoiler-renegade-jew/

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/08/birth-control-makes-women-unattractive-and-crazy/

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/03/22/polling-muslims-in-the-west-increasingly-sympathise-with-extremism-terror/

http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/07/05/solution-online-harassment-simple-women-log-off/


none of these are racist, the last one has to do with women not race (its being taken out of context too, they're saying if you're not tough enough for the internet all you have to do is log off, there's no way it can hurt you, stop making a big deal out of it "basically" ).

I can't really see anything racist in any of these statements, the Jew one was in reference to that guy being a Jew yet have a different opinion to what most american jews have in relation to israel, I heard them talk about it on NPR this morning, one of the head editors of breitbart is a jew.
The confederate flag thing is about a culture that people are trying to do away with, you dislike it possibly cuz your from the north.White people have every right to portray their culture and history, saying that they aren't allowed to have opinions on it is racist, and it feeds into the whole "white people have no culture" thing that every idiot has been spouting lately
The islamist one is fully legitimate as well, islamic terror is a legitimate concern there's no denying that.
Birth control often has shit tons of estrogen, and has a legitimate scientific effect on the psychology of women. Do you understand how birth control works and its physiological effects on the body?
Im fine with birth control, I'm just saying that what they said is a legitimate statement.
Birth control has been proven to make women fatter, because it eliminates the body's need to make very energy-consumptive hormones, this free's up energy for use as stored fat. Being fat will lead to changes in ones self esteem and thus behavior.

Saying any of these is racist is really stretching things to basically mean anything you don't agree with is racist.

[rawgarage]

The confederate flag thing is about a culture that people are trying to do away with, you dislike it possibly cuz your from the north.White people have every right to portray their culture and history, saying that they aren't allowed to have opinions on it is racist, and it feeds into the whole "white people have no culture" thing that every idiot has been spouting lately



bro the confederate flag has no heritage.... MF'ers only dug it back up to be against the end of segregation. anybody repping that shit since then is misinformed.

its funny when ppl who support the flag wanna claim to be patriotic. oxy-moron AF....

[pacotaco345]

bro the confederate flag has no heritage.... MF'ers only dug it back up to be against the end of segregation. anybody repping that shit since then is misinformed.

its funny when ppl who support the flag wanna claim to be patriotic. oxygen moron AF....



Did you skip over the civil war in middle school there bud? It definitely has a heritage. And support what flag? The confederate flag? The American flag? It pisses me off when I see people marching down crenshaw in protest of Trump holding an upside down, graffiti'd, burning American flag saying "TRUMP ISNT MY PRESIDENT". If thats the level of faith and pride you have in your country then you can leave and he really won't be your president.

If you're saying you can't be patriotic while displaying the confederate flag thats also stupid. Thats like saying you can't be a proud American who's gay and has a rainbow flag hanging in their living room.

You're the talking OXY moron here.


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[S14kouki805]

You guys can say whatever the hell you want but the Confederate flag stands for the South that lost in the Civil War, you now the guys that were fighting to keep slavery alive?

It is a flag of racism and bigotry, and no matter how much you try to defend it, it is what it is.

[kashira kureijii]

You guys can say whatever the hell you want but the Confederate flag stands for the South that lost in the Civil War, you now the guys that were fighting to keep slavery alive?



It is a flag of racism and bigotry, and no matter how much you try to defend it, it is what it is.



This could develop into a whole can of worms, so ima just say that many people think that the flag is both a symbol of southern history and states rights. 600k white people died in the civil war fighting over shit, people shouldnt be forced to just give up all pride/memory because it offends yalls weak sensibilities.

200k more americans died during the civil war than WW2, its not just a piece of history that man will simply throw away because it offends beta"s .

A common view in the south and with many historians is that the civil war had more to do with long standing rivalries and the rights of states than any other accessory subject. Slaves were just property to the southerners, as sad as it sounds, and it would piss anybody off if something worth hundreds of thousands of dollars was just randomly going to be declared not theirs.
If you spend 200k on a business, and someone in the next state whos party has house/senatorial majority says that you owning the business is wrong, and that the business will be taken without any reparation, you would probably be just as pissed.

At the same time all these blacks were being sold as slaves here (purchased from other black people in Africa), irish people were being sold as slaves in england, so u know, slavery was a very terrible,opportunistic measure of the times.

Anyway, point is, people can remember whatever the hell they want, its their right.

The Romans owned slaves, are we gonna tear down the colloseum?

[SimpleS14]

Yes the last link is not racist, but it also doesn't mean it's not offensive (IMO).

Anyways, all opinions have been stated.....so let's move on as more developments are made around the Trump presidency.

[VNG704]

This could develop into a whole can of worms, so ima just say that many people think that the flag is both a symbol of southern history and states rights. 600k white people died in the civil war fighting over shit, people shouldnt be forced to just give up all pride/memory because it offends yalls weak sensibilities.

200k more americans died during the civil war than WW2, its not just a piece of history that man will simply throw away because it offends beta"s .

A common view in the south and with many historians is that the civil war had more to do with long standing rivalries and the rights of states than any other accessory subject. Slaves were just property to the southerners, as sad as it sounds, and it would piss anybody off if something worth hundreds of thousands of dollars was just randomly going to be declared not theirs.
If you spend 200k on a business, and someone in the next state whos party has house/senatorial majority says that you owning the business is wrong, and that the business will be taken without any reparation, you would probably be just as pissed.

At the same time all these blacks were being sold as slaves here (purchased from other black people in Africa), irish people were being sold as slaves in england, so u know, slavery was a very terrible,opportunistic measure of the times.

Anyway, point is, people can remember whatever the hell they want, its their right.

The Romans owned slaves, are we gonna tear down the colloseum?Correct me if I'm wrong, govt places can't hold the confederate flags, but people are still free to do so. About your slave ownership and losing business comparison, I get that they thought that way back then, but why are you trying to justifying it. They're people, not property, let the slave owners be upset. Free the people.

[kashira kureijii]

Correct me if I'm wrong, govt places can't hold the confederate flags, but people are still free to do so. About your slave ownership and losing business comparison, I get that they thought that way back then, but why are you trying to justifying it. They're people, not property, let the slave owners be upset. Free the people.



Ya i know we can still have the flags as individuals, i was just giving examples to why breitbart guy isnt racist .

I dont care about slaves or whatever, my ancestors werent even in this country when it happened. History/culture has a right to exist though, so i dont really agree with them tearing down statues of confederates, saying there cant be remembrance day etc. A good percentage of confederate troops were not slave owners, slavery is an accessory issue to that conflict, not the main issue.

We were talking about breitbart not being racist, so we"re kinda off topic


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[zombiewolf513]

You guys can say whatever the hell you want but the Confederate flag stands for the South that lost in the Civil War, you now the guys that were fighting to keep slavery alive?

It is a flag of racism and bigotry, and no matter how much you try to defend it, it is what it is.

The American flag comes from a history of plundering others' land, claiming it as their own, then defending it lol. Don't hear bitchin about how that heritage is reflected in the nation's flag.

The confederate flag means different things to different people. Just because one person views it as a symbol of racism doesn't mean everyone does or should or have to. If you don't like someone else waiving the flag, then you're the one with the problem. If they're racist let them be a dumb racist.

BTW, the controversy over the confederate flag is no different than the controversy behind calling white people 'crackers'. Prejudice and offensive? yes. Do all people see it that way? no. Should people HAVE to view it as prejudice and offensive? no.

If you don't like what someone says or does in the USA, chances are you have the privilege of ignoring it in this day and age.

Also, those brietbart articles weren't really racist. Somewhat ignorant and loud for clickbait, sure. But it's a news media outlet like all the others. Just caters to a different demographic. They're all always saying ignorant shit to stir the masses.

[FaLKoN240]

BTW, the controversy over the confederate flag is no different than the controversy behind calling white people 'crackers'. Prejudice and offensive? yes. Do all people see it that way? no. Should people HAVE to view it as prejudice and offensive? no.


That's not the same thing AT ALL. A flag is a symbol that makes a passive statement non stop.

Name calling and saying derogatory things is an act and takes conscious action.

If you don't like what someone says or does in the USA, chances are you have the privilege of ignoring it in this day and age.

Ignoring racist statements and symbols is not as easy as just "doing it"

I'm guessing you've never had the "privilege" of trying your suggested method.

[zombiewolf513]

That's not the same thing AT ALL. A flag is a symbol that makes a passive statement non stop.

Name calling and saying derogatory things is an act and takes conscious action.



Ignoring racist statements and symbols is not as easy as just "doing it"

I'm guessing you've never had the "privilege" of trying your suggested method.

When it comes to watching tv, being fascinated by exaggerated media and social media, confronting people in the street with confederate flags...

There are plenty of ways you can ignore situations that are mostly dramatized today relative to history.

And by privilege I mean, many American people walk around talking about how oppressed they are, but have never experienced what oppression actually is. That is distinctly an American privilege. All race or any other distinguishing characteristic aside.

[Corbic]

And by privilege I mean, many American people walk around talking about how oppressed they are, but have never experienced what oppression actually is.


Ding ding ding!

The poorest most disadvantaged American has it better then 70% of the world.

[kashira kureijii]

Ding ding ding!

The poorest most disadvantaged American has it better then 70% of the world.

whoa whoa, are you suggesting that most of the non-western world really sucks?

You better check ur white privilege bro

[VNG704]

And by privilege I mean, many American people walk around talking about how oppressed they are, but have never experienced what oppression actually is. That is distinctly an American privilege. All race or any other distinguishing characteristic aside.

Different levels of oppression and stuff.

Ding ding ding!

The poorest most disadvantaged American has it better then 70% of the world. You must travel outside the US a lot. That's a solid number.

[Corbic]

You must travel outside the US a lot. That's a solid number.



Actually I do.

The "extreme" Global Poverty Line was increased in 2015 to $1.90 per day.

Let that fucking sink in. 740 million people live in extreme poverty. There are 740 million people living off less then a $1.90 a day... and our "poverty stricken disadvantaged" people are crying they want $20 per hour.

In one day, they'd have made more money then 740 million people make in 6 months.

Our poor are Dan Bilzerians to the rest of the worlds poor.

We have 47 million "poor", (15% of the population) These are people that make less then $24,000 a year.

[R3b]

Oppression is a fucking joke in the states. There is literally no excuse in this country succeed if you're a citizen and you actually put in a bit of effort and think a bit. This is coming from an immigrant from a country that is lead by a guy with a third grade education and a genocide going on. You guys have it made here, all you do is get a free education, go to community college, take a small loan and get your degree regardless of ethnicity, wealth income, and area. Then boom! You're all set. I wish I had the privilege most Americas have in this country. I should be the one screaming oppression and how "hard I have it" and "literally cant even".

People who complain about being oppressed have bum fuck all outside forces affecting there lives and have 0 accountability on themselves and others. There is nothing stopping you here from having a better life.

[VNG704]

Oppression is a fucking joke in the states. There is literally no excuse in this country succeed if you're a citizen and you actually put in a bit of effort and think a bit. This is coming from an immigrant from a country that is lead by a guy with a third grade education and a genocide going on. You guys have it made here, all you do is get a free education, go to community college, take a small loan and get your degree regardless of ethnicity, wealth income, and area. Then boom! You're all set. I wish I had the privilege most Americas have in this country. I should be the one screaming oppression and how "hard I have it" and "literally cant even".

People who complain about being oppressed have bum fuck all outside forces affecting there lives and have 0 accountability on themselves and others. There is nothing stopping you here from having a better life.
So what you're saying is Americans shouldn't complain. I get it. Improbable though.

Actually I do.

The "extreme" Global Poverty Line was increased in 2015 to $1.90 per day.

Let that fucking sink in. 740 million people live in extreme poverty. There are 740 million people living off less then a $1.90 a day... and our "poverty stricken disadvantaged" people are crying they want $20 per hour.

In one day, they'd have made more money then 740 million people make in 6 months.

Our poor are Dan Bilzerians to the rest of the worlds poor.

We have 47 million "poor", (15% of the population) These are people that make less then $24,000 a year.

I understand. Was just wondering how you got the number 70. But that's not even what I'd go by. It's not that cut and dry. Cost of living aren't the same around the world. I know of places where you can literally live like a king with that $24k/year. Better things to complain about? Sure. But as a country that wants to succeed, what do we do?

[R3b]

So what you're saying is Americans shouldn't complain. I get it. Improbable though.


Im saying the people who do the complaining are the ones who dont apply themselves, mooch off there parents and sit on social media 24/7

The average american who works 9-5 and a good living has no time to be complaining or playing the oppression Olympics. Regardless of age, sex, gender, race, religion you have the freedom to do whatever you wish in life here, no one or system in place is stopping you.

We all get paid the same wages, we all have the opportunity to study or learn a trade, move anywhere in a massive country, get a license and a loan. Everyone is discriminated here from female to male, black to white, christian to Muslim, rich to poor etc 99% of the people are all in the same boat. Only the very very wealthy I could say have the most "freedom" but that demographic covers many groups of people. You get horrible people from all shades and not one group is entirely victim or abuser.

[VNG704]

Im saying the people who do the complaining are the ones who dont apply themselves, mooch off there parents and sit on social media 24/7

The average american who works 9-5 and a good living has no time to be complaining or playing the oppression Olympics. Regardless of age, sex, gender, race, religion you have the freedom to do whatever you wish in life here, no one or system in place is stopping you.

We all get paid the same wages, we all have the opportunity to study or learn a trade, move anywhere in a massive country, get a license and a loan. Everyone is discriminated here from female to male, black to white, christian to Muslim, rich to poor etc 99% of the people are all in the same boat. Only the very very wealthy I could say have the most "freedom" but that demographic covers many groups of people. You get horrible people from all shades and not one group is entirely victim or abuser.
I don't know if it's because you're still too young at 19 (assumption based on your age posted there) or what, but if you can't see that people who are not straight white Christian males get treated differently, then we don't need to continue. I know it's difficult for people to change their outlook. I also want to say that I'm not implying white Christian straight males should be ashamed for what they are. I just don't think there should be a debate, I mean, whether you believe people get treated differently or not, we should all agree that to progress as a society, as a human race, we should work together regardless of our differences.

[kashira kureijii]

I don't know if it's because you're still too young at 19 (assumption based on your age posted there) or what, but if you can't see that people who are not straight white Christian males get treated differently, then we don't need to continue. I know it's difficult for people to change their outlook. I also want to say that I'm not implying white Christian straight males should be ashamed for what they are. I just don't think there should be a debate, I mean, whether you believe people get treated differently or not, we should all agree that to progress as a society, as a human race, we should work together regardless of our differences.



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Wow christian white males get treated differently? As in like unappreciated shit?

People are born equal, but ambition decides mans place.

If everyone else doesnt want to be treated differently ( if that theoretically is a thing, and its not) than they should defy the stereotype, and make the effort to be as productive for society as their counterparts.
Only through mutual productiveness can people truly accept one another. For instance you will find very few people racist against asians, why? Because they"re assumed to be easy to deal with, they dont commit crimes, and they assimilate well. They are seen as hard working and ambitious . How did things go from " we hate chinamen, theyre taking are jobs blah blah blah" in like 1890 to people being fine with Asians today? Because they set a good example .

For instance, a while back my father and i were in a certain part of my hometown that has a bunch of thai people, we were leaving his truck and i was like "hey shouldnt we lock the doors? And put the stuff from the bed in the cab?" And he was like " naw, we"re in the Asian part of town, no ones gonna steal shit". How does a group get that image? Certainly not by being 12% of the population and committing like 50% of the crime.

Work together? No
Work hard as yourself regardless of race ,and gain the respect of your peers thats how things change.

There is no one else who can liberate man from stereotype but himself, and through the good deeds of one may others follow.

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[VNG704]

Wow christian white males get treated differently? As in like unappreciated shit?

People are born equal, but ambition decides mans place.

If everyone else doesnt want to be treated differently ( if that theoretically is a thing, and its not) than they should defy the stereotype, and make the effort to be as productive for society as their counterparts.
Only through mutual productiveness can people truly accept one another. For instance you will find very few people racist against asians, why? Because they"re assumed to be easy to deal with, they dont commit crimes, and they assimilate well. They are seen as hard working and ambitious . How did things go from " we hate chinamen, theyre taking are jobs blah blah blah" in like 1890 to people being fine with Asians today? Because they set a good example .

For instance, a while back my father and i were in a certain part of my hometown that has a bunch of thai people, we were leaving his truck and i was like "hey shouldnt we lock the doors? And put the stuff from the bed in the cab?" And he was like " naw, we"re in the Asian part of town, no ones gonna steal shit". How does a group get that image? Certainly not by being 12% of the population and committing like 50% of the crime.

Work together? No
Work hard as yourself regardless of race ,and gain the respect of your peers thats how things change.

There is no one else who can liberate man from stereotype but himself, and through the good deeds of one may others follow.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk"Unappreciated shit" Not sure I follow you. uh, yea, people get treated differently based on how they look, their beliefs, etc... not always and not by everyone but it happens, a lot. Is that new to you?


Did I say the answer to being treated differently was to be a leach on society? What are you implying? Of course, being a productive part of society is ideal. DUH, obviously.


"Asians are finally accepted today." More so than others? Yes, but you're making a generalization as an absolute fact, which it is not. FAR from it even. More of you making extreme comments. You can't agree that people get treated differently based on how they look, yet you post an example here. Even though that example is false.

When I said working together, I didn't mean hold hands. Read between the lines. Or do I need to fill that in for you? "Work as yourself regardless of race...." Whether you like Obama's politically or not, he's a classy guy, yet he gets shitted on because of his race. I've read soo much Nwords this, go back to you know where etc... Some people will never progress from their hateful self because they grew up that way. Learned. While I agree that you should be a productive part of society no matter who or what you are, you still deny that people are treated differently based on who or what they are. Like with that other member above, if you don't see, or refuse to admit that people get treated differently based on who or what they are, then I guess we're done. I mean, I like dialogue because we can progress, but to deny something soo apparent? There's no point in continuing.

[pacotaco345]

Whether you like Obama's politically or not, he's a classy guy, yet he gets shitted on because of his race.

Classy guy doesn't translate to good leader or even president. He's not God just because he can sweet talk a crowd of leftist, twitter-crazed, one-sided, media manipulated millenials and socialists. I'm sick of hearing people say that Obama is a great president because he's cool. Last I checked our country wasn't built on social media and cool, it was built by hard work. Obama has spent the past 8 years trying to rid any incentive for people to work hard in this country. Replacing it with the ideal that just because you were born here, or even just live hear illegally, you're entitled to success while others shoulder the burden for you.


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[VNG704]

Classy guy doesn't translate to good leader or even president. He's not God just because he can sweet talk a crowd of leftist, twitter-crazed, one-sided, media manipulated millenials and socialists. I'm sick of hearing people say that Obama is a great president because he's cool. Last I checked our country wasn't built on social media and cool, it was built by hard work. Obama has spent the past 8 years trying to rid any incentive for people to work hard in this country. Replacing it with the ideal that just because you were born here, or even just live hear illegally, you're entitled to success while others shoulder the burden for you.


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I said classy guy. As in, he's a decent guy it seems. Yet he gets shit for being black. I purposely avoided his political side. We're talking about people being treated differently based on race, sex, religion, etc... not his leadership. BTW, he was elected President, twice. So yes, whether you like him or not, he's your president. I don't like Trump, but guess what? I'll support him because I want the US to succeed.

[exitspeed]

I said classy guy. As in, he's a decent guy it seems. Yet he gets shit for being black. I purposely avoided his political side. We're talking about people being treated differently based on race, sex, religion, etc... not his leadership. BTW, he was elected President, twice. So yes, whether you like him or not, he's your president. I don't like Trump, but guess what? I'll support him because I want the US to succeed.

Prettt sure you entirely missed the point of his post and proved his point all at the same time.

[VNG704]

It was late night for me, ugh. But my point still stands.

[exitspeed]

http://nypost.com/2016/11/20/dear-liberals-start-practicing-the-empathy-you-preach/

Really great article here. I recommend everyone calling Trump supports racists and bigots to read it. You've been lied to.

[pacotaco345]

I distinctly remember sitting in high school when Obama was elected for his first term, people in class (even whites) saying how great it was that we had a black individual running for office and that we (America) had the chance to make history by electing him into office. ABC, NBC, CNN, MTV, ESPN, shit every news outlet telling us that as Americans we owed it to ourselves to take this step forward in equality and elect our first black president if we wanted to continue to be proud of our country in this oversensitive, politically correct and newly globalized world. RUSSEL FUCKING BRAND, the guy who, two years later, sang a song called Little African Child in Get Him to the Greek made a speech at the MTV music awards advocating for this guy to get into office.

The pressure to elect Obama didn't just come from within our country it came from most of Europe (because we should totally care what they think of us, right?). Next thing you know you're a racist if you're not voting for Obama. He managed to construct his entire political platform based on equality and race, with very little emphasis on actual policy and plans. Next thing you know we have our first black president; and people are calling Trump a racist? After Obama used the racial division in this country to get himself elected not once, but twice?

Conservatives were sick of being bullied by liberals, politicians and the rest of the world, Trump was someone they could rally behind. Hillary thought that she could use her position as a woman to rack up votes, just like Obama used being black, but she was wrong. People were and are sick of it, being labeled as a sexist or a racist because of who they vote for, and having to change their vote accordingly. Our president's should have in the past, and should always in the future be elected based on the policy they plan to implement and their love of the country; not their race or gender.

"First black president" or "First woman president" should never have even been mentioned. I could care less if my president was black, white, gay, straight, man, woman, something inbetween, I don't care. If you're more fit for the job than the person standing next to you, you'll have my vote. That's why I voted for Trump and it's why I voted against Obama the one time I had my chance.

[VNG704]

If by fit you mean qualified, that is definitely Clinton. You can hate her for whatever reason and I'd agree with you, but don't tell us he is more fit. He's just the face of the operation. He himself admitted during one of the debates, I think it was the first one, that he's basically winging it and going to hire "the best people." If you look into the ones he's got thus far, smh. But like I said before, I hope he's a successful president.

[zenkicpe]

is it snowing in this thread?

:dead:

[lunchmeat]

And why would Clinton be more fit? Because she's been part of the political elite for decades? I'm old enough to remember when her ass was in the white house the first time, high school in fact. Couldn't stand her then, can't stand her now.

[STR8 H8N]

If by fit you mean qualified, that is definitely Clinton. You can hate her for whatever reason and I'd agree with you, but don't tell us he is more fit. He's just the face of the operation. He himself admitted during one of the debates, I think it was the first one, that he's basically winging it and going to hire "the best people." If you look into the ones he's got thus far, smh. But like I said before, I hope he's a successful president.

hav u lookd into them

smh?

u couldnt hav

qualified as in bought sure she wins

[VNG704]

And why would Clinton be more fit? Because she's been part of the political elite for decades? I'm old enough to remember when her ass was in the white house the first time, high school in fact. Couldn't stand her then, can't stand her now.
I never said I liked her. But based on what she's done in her past. Years in US senate, served on other committees on health, budget, etc... you know, actually doing something for the people. Qaulifications.

[VNG704]

hav u lookd into them

smh?

u couldnt hav

qualified as in bought sure she wins
Lol read post below yours about qaulifications. Yes I have looked, Myron Ebell, holy shit.

[STR8 H8N]

Lol read post below yours about qaulifications. Yes I have looked, Myron Ebell, holy shit.

http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060046062

[VNG704]

http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060046062
Thanks. You pretty much backed me up.

[lunchmeat]

She rode Bill's coat tails all the way to the Senate, and was elected because of her last name.
Besides, the only qualifications you need to be president is be 35, a citizen, and in country for 14 years. I'm qualified. Everything else is resume fluff.

[VNG704]

She rode Bill's coat tails all the way to the Senate, and was elected because of her last name.
Besides, the only qualifications you need to be president is be 35, a citizen, and in country for 14 years. I'm qualified. Everything else is resume fluff.
I don't care how she got there. She done work, maaaan. Canyadigit? You just can't look at it with an objective view.

[Future240]

http://fortune.com/2016/11/21/trump-net-neutrality-fcc/




This is not draining the swamp.

[VNG704]

Appointed people in the business to control the business. Come on Donald, please don't let us down. Serious.

[lunchmeat]

I don't care how she got there. She done work, maaaan. Canyadigit? You just can't look at it with an objective view.
Nope. I hate politicians. The longer they've been in the game, the more I can't stand them.

[VNG704]

Nope. I hate politicians. The longer they've been in the game, the more I can't stand them.
Yea same here. I hate money grubbin oranges too though. It was a lose lose election, imo.

[lunchmeat]

South park called it. Giant douche or turd sandwich.

[zombiewolf513]

Doing a shitty job doesnt count toward being qualified.

Remember when clinton called black youth 'superpredators'?

Or fought against gay marriage?

Or ran a shady Clinton foundation?

Or lied about benghazi... continuously since the day it happened?

Or lied about emails she had no reason to delete to begin with?

Doesnt sound like she's given a shit about americans to me. Shes a snake politician and nothing more.

Ill give the presidency to someone untested before giving it to someone with 30 years of experience at being a confirmed two faced politician. Id vote for a trump again and again if he were to keep going up against the clinton type.

People are upset because donald trump has a group of racists clinging to him and because he doesnt want illegal immigrants and dangerous people in his country. Sounds like most every political leader ever.

[VNG704]

Not even going to defend clinton. But for every bad thing or lie clinton has, I can name one Trump has done. Trump is just a different type of Clinton. If you think he's got you on his mind, think again. Hilarious.

[STR8 H8N]

Not even going to defend clinton. But for every bad thing or lie clinton has, I can name one Trump has done. Trump is just a different type of Clinton. If you think he's got you on his mind, think again. Hilarious.

but she has you on her mind

:facepalm:

[VNG704]

but she has you on her mind

:facepalm:
When did I say support her? I've said multiple times, I didn't like her. I'm just surprised at all the Trump love from these guys.

[STR8 H8N]

When did I say support her? I've said multiple times, I didn't like her. I'm just surprised at all the Trump love from these guys.

um he won?

[VNG704]

Are you telling me he's great? Do you got someTrump love too? Happily vote for him? Tell me how he's great. Sway me to jump on the Trump train. If you can find anything great about this guy, tell me. Bet you can't. Don't reply with "and you think hillary is great? " because we've already settled that.

Edit: Cancel that. Not interested in going where this is going.

[STR8 H8N]

Are you telling me he's great? Do you got someTrump love too? Happily vote for him? Tell me how he's great. Sway me to jump on the Trump train. If you can find anything great about this guy, tell me. Don't reply with "and you think hillary is great? " because we've already settled that.

so youre movin to mexico then ?

[RalliartRsX]

Doing a shitty job doesnt count toward being qualified.

Remember when clinton called black youth 'superpredators'?

Or fought against gay marriage?

Or ran a shady Clinton foundation?

Or lied about benghazi... continuously since the day it happened?

Or lied about emails she had no reason to delete to begin with?

Doesnt sound like she's given a shit about americans to me. Shes a snake politician and nothing more.

Ill give the presidency to someone untested before giving it to someone with 30 years of experience at being a confirmed two faced politician. Id vote for a trump again and again if he were to keep going up against the clinton type.

People are upset because donald trump has a group of racists clinging to him and because he doesnt want illegal immigrants and dangerous people in his country. Sounds like most every political leader ever.

Holy shit soo much incorrect information! And guess what, I will take the time, unlike 95% of the Trump supporters, to bring up in context, evidence to refute every single on of those claims


1) Incorrect and out of context. Below is the TRUE STORY

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/aug/28/reince-priebus/did-hillary-clinton-call-african-american-youth-su/

Quote in context

"But we also have to have an organized effort against gangs," Hillary Clinton said in a C-SPAN video clip. "Just as in a previous generation we had an organized effort against the mob. We need to take these people on. They are often connected to big drug cartels, they are not just gangs of kids anymore. They are often the kinds of kids that are called superpredators — no conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first, we have to bring them to heel."


2) Partially correct. She has morphed her stance to reflect the public opinion (Trump did the same thing by tapping into the working class folks)

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-change-position-same-sex-marriage/

Clinton opposed same-sex marriage as a candidate for the Senate, while in office as a senator, and while running for president in 2008. She expressed her support for civil unions starting in 2000 and for the rights’ of states to set their own laws in favor of same-sex marriage in 2006.

As polls showed that a majority of Americans supported same-sex marriage, Clinton’s views changed, too. She announced her support for same-sex marriage in March 2013.



3) Flatly false! Shoot, they even released their tax record, when Trump straight up lied about not being able to release because he was being audited (which the IRS said was entirely false and he was able to release it at any time during the audits)

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/sep/01/fact-checking-clinton-foundation-controversy/

"The fact is, if they’ve got about 80 percent overhead and 20 percent of the money's actually getting into the place that it should, then it seems like the only work that the Clinton Foundation is doing is lining the pockets of Bill and Hillary Clinton," said GOP Chair Reince Priebus.

PolitiFact rated Priebus’ claim False. It is based on a misunderstanding of how the Clinton Foundation works. In reality, about 80 to 90 percent of the organization’s expenditures go toward charitable programs.

This confusion stems primarily from the fact that "foundation" is in the name. Typically, a private foundation’s primary activity is grantmaking, giving money to charities who actually do the work. The Clinton Foundation operates as a public charity, conducting its own charitable programs.



Its in-house and affiliated programs include expanding access to low-cost AIDS medication, supporting agriculture in Malawi, providing disaster relief in Haiti, forging partnerships to combat climate change, creating business mentoring programs, drafting school food guidelines, assessing the progress of women’s rights globally, and more.

Go ahead and tell me what Trump foundation has accomplished this.......Yep, NONE! trump University has swindled thousands of students out of tuition


4) Again, after all your hard earned tax payer dollars, all they found was nothing.........Yep! witch hunt for nothing

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2014/may/16/fact-checking-benghazi-our-most-recent-round-/

[/On the issue of security at the outpost in Benghazi, U.S. Sen. Rand Paul put the blame on Hillary Clinton.:

"I think it's pretty important that she accept blame for not providing security," Paul said. "She was asked repeatedly to provide security in Benghazi on several occasions including direct cables, and she says she never read the cables on security. I find that inexcusable and a dereliction of duty."

The State Department was asked repeatedly for additional U.S. security staff in Libya. But we see no evidence that Clinton herself was made aware of those requests. For example, there’s no "direct cable" that automatically appears on the secretary of state’s desk. Instead, all cables would have carried her name, and only those passed up the chain by staff would have reached her. She says they didn’t. Paul’s office didn’t provide evidence linking requests for security directly to Clinton. We found only evidence that requests were made of her department. We rate his statement Mostly False.


5) Did you not see that Comy himself, although he beratted Clinton, said there was no evidence that the emails she exchanged were classified?? Yes, having the server was a no no, but with OPM being hacked several times over the years, and all the information being presented in a public domain, why on earth would I trust the government serves!??!

I won't even bother pulling up more info. You are more than capable of actually doing critical thinking and searching out the proper, FACTUAL information

Its like no one here is capable of critical thinking and all they care about is sensationalism.........

Trump, a Greedy rich white guy who ducked out of military service, screwed over 100s of thousand of people in school fee, skipped on paying taxes for God knows how long, is a misogynist, sprouts racist comments, hates fair trade, is a terrible business man, uses his "charities" to pay for his own legal fees and has fucked over 100s of thousands of working class people and what do they do?? These very same people vote his ass in office!

Why are people so damn stupid and blind?!?!

[STR8 H8N]

Holy shit soo much incorrect information! And guess what, I will take the time, unlike 95% of the Trump supporters, to bring up in context, evidence to refute every single on of those claims


1) Incorrect and out of context. Below is the TRUE STORY

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/aug/28/reince-priebus/did-hillary-clinton-call-african-american-youth-su/

Quote in context




2) Partially correct. She has morphed her stance to reflect the public opinion (Trump did the same thing by tapping into the working class folks)

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-change-position-same-sex-marriage/




3) Flatly false! Shoot, they even released their tax record, when Trump straight up lied about not being able to release because he was being audited (which the IRS said was entirely false and he was able to release it at any time during the audits)

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/sep/01/fact-checking-clinton-foundation-controversy/






Go ahead and tell me what Trump foundation has accomplished this.......Yep, NONE! trump University has swindled thousands of students out of tuition


4) Again, after all your hard earned tax payer dollars, all they found was nothing.........Yep! witch hunt for nothing

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2014/may/16/fact-checking-benghazi-our-most-recent-round-/



5) Did you not see that Comy himself, although he beratted Clinton, said there was no evidence that the emails she exchanged were classified?? Yes, having the server was a no no, but with OPM being hacked several times over the years, and all the information being presented in a public domain, why on earth would I trust the government serves!??!

I won't even bother pulling up more info. You are more than capable of actually doing critical thinking and searching out the proper, FACTUAL information

Its like no one here is capable of critical thinking and all they care about is sensationalism.........

Trump, a Greedy rich white guy who ducked out of military service, screwed over 100s of thousand of people in school fee, skipped on paying taxes for God knows how long, is a misogynist, sprouts racist comments, hates fair trade, is a terrible business man, uses his "charities" to pay for his own legal fees and has fucked over 100s of thousands of working class people and what do they do?? These very same people vote his ass in office!

Why are people so damn stupid and blind?!?!

lets not move on (not my president)

lets talk about this for 4 more years

and then kanye will get his fair shot in 2020

[RalliartRsX]

Fuck moving on! If we make this shit our new norm, you are just as guilty as trump as being a misogynistic, racist, sexist, con man, asshole pig if you just want to wave your wand and say "oh well........"

If it turns out that in 4 years, when all the sanctions and bullshit Trump imposes starts to hit you and your pocket, your tune will change drastically

This is very similar to Brexit in many ways. The working class folks playing ignorant to common sense and using emotions as a crutch and not the fact that innovation and everything else has moved jobs away for instance. Good luck reverting back to all those factory and labor jobs that are now both automated and being done by robots. Remember, you don't have to pay a Robot for healthcare, vacation, have to respect labor laws, etc etc.

But hey, fuck it! All these immigrants are taking our jobs.........fuck them all because I didn't choose to diversify and educate myself to a changing job market and invest to broaden my experience portfolio LOL!

Just happy I got my Masters in engineering and tried to align myself to much better way of living and atleast have some realization that the only way to be successful, is not to not limit myself.

......I ain't defending Clinton, or attacking trump, but Jeeezzzz. Use some common sense folks. Just trying to see the facts.

[STR8 H8N]

Fuck moving on! If we make this shit our new norm, you are just as guilty as trump as being a misogynistic, racist, sexist, con man, asshole pig if you just want to wave your wand and say "oh well........"

If it turns out that in 4 years, when all the sanctions and bullshit Trump imposes starts to hit you and your pocket, your tune will change drastically

This is very similar to Brexit in many ways. The working class folks playing ignorant to common sense and using emotions as a crutch and not the fact that innovation and everything else has moved jobs away for instance. Good luck reverting back to all those factory and labor jobs that are now both automated and being done by robots. Remember, you don't have to pay a Robot for healthcare, vacation, have to respect labor laws, etc etc.

But hey, fuck it! All these immigrants are taking our jobs.........fuck them all because I didn't choose to diversify and educate myself to a changing job market and invest to broaden my experience portfolio LOL!

Just happy I got my Masters in engineering and tried to align myself to much better way of living and atleast have some realization that the only way to be successful, is not to not limit myself.

......I ain't defending Clinton, or attacking trump, but Jeeezzzz. Use some common sense folks. Just trying to see the facts.

impeach or what are we sayin here then?

delorean back to election day?

[RalliartRsX]

............This is why people cannot have an intelligent discussion on this website and I was fooled to believe it was a possibility........

Back to buying/selling parts I go. I have no place in this thread, especially considering facts are used as toilet paper to wipe peoples assess around here.

Cheers

[kashira kureijii]

Fuck moving on! If we make this shit our new norm, you are just as guilty as trump as being a misogynistic, racist, sexist, con man, asshole pig if you just want to wave your wand and say "oh well........"

If it turns out that in 4 years, when all the sanctions and bullshit Trump imposes starts to hit you and your pocket, your tune will change drastically

This is very similar to Brexit in many ways. The working class folks playing ignorant to common sense and using emotions as a crutch and not the fact that innovation and everything else has moved jobs away for instance. Good luck reverting back to all those factory and labor jobs that are now both automated and being done by robots. Remember, you don't have to pay a Robot for healthcare, vacation, have to respect labor laws, etc etc.

But hey, fuck it! All these immigrants are taking our jobs.........fuck them all because I didn't choose to diversify and educate myself to a changing job market and invest to broaden my experience portfolio LOL!

Just happy I got my Masters in engineering and tried to align myself to much better way of living and atleast have some realization that the only way to be successful, is not to not limit myself.

......I ain't defending Clinton, or attacking trump, but Jeeezzzz. Use some common sense folks. Just trying to see the facts.



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Equal trade means losing trade, you want to have unequal trade in your favor. One thing all you leftists seem to not understand is that we don't have to be nice to people. There's no like special trade/government rules that say "hey be nice to everybody" . Politics is about winning and you simply don't understand, as niccolo machiavelli would say "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared".

what exactly does the US have to gain by being all the things you mentioned? You suggest tolerance of weakness and failure. Winning involves a weaker party losing out, and so it is.

trump won despite all of your leftist eastern propaganda, he won despite not getting shit tons of funding from the middle east, and having a bunch of the republican party stab him in the back.

He must be doing something right, Hillary could have never played on the same field. Trump won against both sides.

we have a chance now to further cement our country's position as most powerful in the world political hegemony. Leftism would have never allowed that. We have to defeat as much leftist bullshit as we can, before the ignorant/naive leftists come into power again.

the goal is to conquer the world fam, to bad we don't have someone more ambitious, trump will listen to much to the masses I think.

also I was promised this would happen, but I'm not seeing it in trumps 100 day plan :-/

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[exitspeed]

............This is why people cannot have an intelligent discussion on this website and I was fooled to believe it was a possibility........

Back to buying/selling parts I go. I have no place in this thread, especially considering facts are used as toilet paper to wipe peoples assess around here.

Cheers

Huh, imagine that, someone from one of the Coasts talking down to the rest of the country and reminding them how stupid, racist, sexist, etc etc everyone who voted for Trump is. This is EXACTLY why Hilary LOST! But the superior beings in the Liberal coastal bubbles can't see over their egos to understand it. All the education in the world (I have no idea of your particular education level) and no common sense.

[kashira kureijii]

Huh, imagine that, someone from one of the Coasts talking down to the rest of the country and reminding them how stupid, racist, sexist, etc etc everyone who voted for Trump is. This is EXACTLY why Hilary LOST! But the superior beings in the Liberal coastal bubbles can't see over their egos to understand it. All the education in the world (I have no idea of your particular education level) and no common sense.



Theyre like Europeans haha, yet are american by name. Always with the holier than thou attitude with easterners


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[DrtyRat]

Huh, imagine that, someone from one of the Coasts talking down to the rest of the country and reminding them how stupid, racist, sexist, etc etc everyone who voted for Trump is. This is EXACTLY why Hilary LOST! But the superior beings in the Liberal coastal bubbles can't see over their egos to understand it. All the education in the world (I have no idea of your particular education level) and no common sense.
Exactly. We all get painted with the same broad brush and while I live in a 'big city', I do not follow the beliefs of a majority of the people that live here.

[VNG704]

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He must be doing something right,
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Trump beating Hillary is not saying much though. But it was more of the DNC losing, than it was Trump winning. Whatever, ready for the thread to fade away.

[red_240]

If your a gun owner the choice was clear. Trump got my vote for that reason alone. I understand he's not perfect and I don't agree with about 50% of what he says but with the 2nd being trampled on more and more most gun owners just had to bite the bullet because a Clinton presidency would have been a night mare scenario for us.

As a gun owner I'm pretty hopeful of what the trump presidency could do for me. A few examples would be national right to concealed carry, removing suppressors from the NFA and stricter enforcement on gun laws that are already on the books to make sure those who misuse firearms get locked up.

I would also like to see a federal law that limits how much states can regulate firearms. I'm all about states rights expect when they conflict with the constitution.

[zombiewolf513]

Argument that didn't even rebut half of what I said before writing it off as 'incorrect'

You missed the part where she DID have classified info on there (classified, secret, AND top secret), then had classified info with her LAWYER (NOT A CLASSIFIED INFO CUSTODIAN), and comey said she was likely breached, and probably wouldnt be prosecuted. He didn't say she shouldn't be nor did he say she couldn't be prosecuted. That whole situation is still up in the air, and I hope she burns. Being Secretary of State (a target) she was likely hacked. Whether or not she did it on purpose doesn't excuse classified information spillage. If you've ever had anything to do with classified info, you KNOW ignorance isn't a defense. Then when she was given a subpoena for her emails, she had to DELETE 'personal emails'? The FBI doesn't give a shit about wedding plans or whatever. Nothing is more personal than the classified information. Her deleting ANY emails from the server in question after the subpoena is a clear attempt to conceal the fact she was doing something wrong as far as I'm concerned. Anyone else BUT her woulda been charged with tampering with the evidence of a federal investigation. PERIOD.

She lied about Benghazi, over and over and over. Deny it all you want. Doesn't matter to me. I know what she did and I know what happened that night. I don't need some scummy website to tell me otherwise.

She painted a picture of black youth as criminals to further her career, and it ultimately pushed for the type of policing people now complain about. So yeah, not a negligible action.

What has trump done that's worse than stereotyping black youth (i know youll say 'muslims' yeah yeah), what has he done other than openly support the LGBTQ community? Did he leave Americans to die then lie to the American people about it? no.

[KAT-PWR]

If it was literally any other military personnel they would have been crucified

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[93permavert]

Make America Great Again!

[kashira kureijii]

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Haha 10/10

[ZenkiKid]

Man I hope he follows through with his 2a promises because were getting Hosed here in California.

[Bushido]

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[Grenade180sx]

Man I hope he follows through with his 2a promises because were getting Hosed here in California.

Problem is state makes the ultimate decision... look at weed he wont fix anything on the state level for 2A and the NRA doesnt do jack shit for CA, which i find absurd since gun laws that pass here go elsewhere... the republican party is dying out and there isnt a republican party in CA thats for sure.

[S14kouki805]

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You found live video of Kashira Kurejii? Lmaoooo

[kashira kureijii]

You found live video of Kashira Kurejii? Lmaoooo

meh, I'm tall and blonde though, I also don't have glasses.

I also don't actually like trump so much to actually do this, and show actual public support. I didn't even vote

I just hate leftists is all, so maybe if I was informed communists were on the plane?

[Bushido]

Please tell me you have the same accent though.

[kashira kureijii]

Please tell me you have the same accent though.



I unfortunately do not have a swag starcraft accent.

[feito]

an otaku rightist... now I've heard it all!!

[kashira kureijii]

an otaku rightist... now I've heard it all!!

IKR? what a unique world we live in

[VNG704]

Regret voting for him yet? I wanna laugh about it but at the same time, cry(metaphorically ).

[kashira kureijii]

Regret voting for him yet? I wanna laugh about it but at the same time, cry(metaphorically ).



Has anything genuinely bad happened yet? All i hear about is trivial propaganda made to look like "big" mistakes.

He"s hasnt actually done anything yet, maybe u wanna cry because you"re a wuss?

[VNG704]

Has anything genuinely bad happened yet? All i hear about is trivial propaganda made to look like "big" mistakes.

He"s hasnt actually done anything yet, maybe u wanna cry because you"re a wuss?
Lol wuss, Ok tough guy. Oh nothing, just going back on much of what made the people vote him over Clinton.

[kashira kureijii]

Lol wuss, Ok tough guy. Oh nothing, just going back on much of what made the people vote him over Clinton.



the weak should fear the strong



he's not even president yet, y'all will find a way to be pissed off regardless of what he does.



name something he has actually done wrong since november 8th

Hes already delivering on his consequences for people who outsource labor thing, hes already going ahead with his spending cuts, saying the new air force one was too expensive, and refusing his paycheck. He"s already pissing off china, which is something he said he would do.

The only thing he hasn't yet to deliver on, is his anti-muslim stance, and it will probably take until another muslim shooting for him to deliver on it.

He aint even president yet Jeez, it"s a little early for the whole "guess yall were wrong" shit

[VNG704]

Who's "ya'll?" Draining the swamp and adding his own swamp, lol. The "change" he was going to bring is a lie. Like I said before, he's the same shit, diff pile. Said he was going to get someone to prosecute Hillary, he's not, lie. Obamacare was to be repellled, um just going to tweak it. Immigration, lol. Like I said, everything that the people liked him over Hillary, big nope. You don't care about these or what? Btw, he paying taxes yet or nah?

[kashira kureijii]

Who's "ya'll?" Draining the swamp and adding his own swamp, lol. The "change" he was going to bring is a lie. Like I said before, he's the same shit, diff pile. Said he was going to get someone to prosecute Hillary, he's not, lie. Obamacare was to be repellled, um just going to tweak it. Immigration, lol. Like I said, everything that the people liked him over Hillary, big nope. You don't care about these or what? Btw, he paying taxes yet or nah?



Expecting hes gonna do all those things in a month, when he has no real power yet is DIW

Also if he did everything at once (like in less than a month, like u seem to expect) shit would rapidly destabilize

Also "yall" means degenerate leftist parasites such as yourself

[VNG704]

Oh personal attacks, smooth moves. Tell me how I'm a parasite? I'm actually more center. There you go again, making extreme comments and opinions as fact. You're not paying attention, those are facts I listed, not conjecture.

[kashira kureijii]

Oh personal attacks, smooth moves. Tell me how I'm a parasite? I'm actually more center. There you go again, making extreme comments and opinions as fact. You're not paying attention, those are facts I listed, not conjecture.



Center is even worse, you dont have the willpower to take sides.

Stand in the middle of the road and get hit fam







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[VNG704]

Wrong, there's more conjecture from you. I just agree with some from both sides. It's not a matter of will to take sides. You still haven't addressed any of my questions but it's ok, i think I know what your answers are. Keep up your personal attacks, it'll win arguments for you. Lol

[kashira kureijii]

Keep up your personal attacks, it'll win arguments for you. Lol


Hey it obviously works for trump.

"Creating a new swamp" is really just your opinion. As for immigration, the stance is still there, he cant actually do anything until hes president. It was obvious that he couldnt deport all illegals, everybody who voted for him was smart enough to know that, but he will be tougher on future immigration, immigrant crime, etc etc.
obamacare is meh, why completely scrap shit already in place? Its wise to modify it to you own ends. One of the ways Alexander the great remained in control of his conquests, was by leaving a majority of the old rules in place, while tweaking them to suit his needs. I think what they mean is that they will keep only the elements that they like. They dont have to listen to anyone else at this point, they control both house and senate.

You"re wrong if you think everyone took those bombastic claims of extreme change seriously. You are being to basic, politics are very Machiavellian.


Also you"re acting like shit has already hit the fan, when in reality Obama is still currently the president, and most of trumps actual plans are still hazy at best.

[VNG704]

Tell me how I've acted like shit hit the fan? I'm merely pointing out his lies, red herring promises. You're right, you can't believe in extreme change but that's what he built on and I never believed it but I'm positive people actually bought it. The swamp, he took elites out and put different elites in. So what you're saying is "drain the swamp" was a fallacy? I agree.

[kashira kureijii]

Tell me how I've acted like shit hit the fan? I'm merely pointing out his lies, red herring promises. You're right, you can't believe in extreme change but that's what he built on and I never believed it but I'm positive people actually bought it. The swamp, he took elites out and put different elites in. So what you're saying is "drain the swamp" was a fallacy? I agree.



He can"t actually deliver on said promises until he comes into power, thats what i"ve been trying to get at here. Wait until its obviously not gonna happen, then you can say everything was a lie.

And if it is a lie, what more would you expect? You act as if politicians exist that actually deliver on promises and do things. For everyone who voted for him, he"s better regardless of lies or not, because he wasnt a leftist scumbag who openly hated them. You think hillary would have delivered anything other than leftist beta cuckery?

If you want shit done you"ll get a dictator, otherwise your stuck with inefficient democratic bullshit.

They arent lies yet, wait until the end of his 4th year to say whether they are or not. You"re immediately assuming everything was a lie, because it hasnt happened within a month of powerlessness? He would literally have to be above the law to deliver on his promises while obama is still in office

[VNG704]

He can"t actually deliver on said promises until he comes into power, thats what i"ve been trying to get at here. Wait until its obviously not gonna happen, then you can say everything was a lie.

And if it is a lie, what more would you expect? You act as if politicians exist that actually deliver on promises and do things. For everyone who voted for him, he"s better regardless of lies or not, because he wasnt a leftist scumbag who openly hated them. You think hillary would have delivered anything other than leftist beta cuckery?

If you want shit done you"ll get a dictator, otherwise your stuck with inefficient democratic bullshit.

They arent lies yet, wait until the end of his 4th year to say whether they are or not. You"re immediately assuming everything was a lie, because it hasnt happened within a month of powerlessness? He would literally have to be above the law to deliver on his promises while obama is still in office
You don't get it. Those things I listed, they are facts. As in, recently in interviews etc, he said he wasn't going to do. It's not even a matter of "wait until he has power." That's what I meant when I said you weren't paying attention. I wasn't talking about me. You haven't been paying attention to him. Btw, why bring up hillary and what I believe she would do. I've said I didn't like her nor do I trust her. Hence, "same shit diff pile." It's a moot point.

[zombiewolf513]

Youre just making objective arguments from subjective material now

[kashira kureijii]

For sure, hearsay doesn't mean "trumps objective plan for 2016-2020" .


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[zombiewolf513]

The democratic party is turning into an echochamber for liberal indoctrination and bigotry. Again. "I haven't seen the Democrats this mad since we freed the slaves!" -RS

[sidewaysil80]

The democratic party is turning into an echochamber for liberal indoctrination and bigotry. Again. "The last time democrats were this mad was when we freed the slaves" -RS

Lol I'm glad you brought that up. Waiting for heads to explode.

[zombiewolf513]

You don't get it. Those things I listed, they are facts. As in, recently in interviews etc, he said he wasn't going to do. It's not even a matter of "wait until he has power." That's what I meant when I said you weren't paying attention.

He also said he won't be telling his enemies his strategies.

What's the best way to do that? Tell them you have none.

[VNG704]

Youre just making objective arguments from subjective material now
Right, because he didn't say it himself.

[VNG704]

He also said he won't be telling his enemies his strategies.

What's the best way to do that? Tell them you have none.
You give him to much credit lol
For sure, hearsay doesn't mean "trumps objective plan for 2016-2020" .


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[zombiewolf513]

Or you arent giving him enough.

[VNG704]

Youre just making objective arguments from subjective material now
What argument? There is none. He reneged, that's it. What's there to argue? What subjective material? He said it himself.


Or you arent giving him enough.
Good one, lol. You can say that about any side on any president. But as blatant as Trump is, you're giving him too much credit to say he reneged because of some strategy. :rofl: Specifically here, I'm just pointing out his reneges. That said, here's some credit for the guy, during the interview, he was the most respectable I've seen him.

[zombiewolf513]

Right, because he didn't say it himself.

He's said, "We’re going to work something out that’s going to make people happy and proud." Not really unleashing any policy insights there.

On top of that, what are you even complaining about if you honestly believe he reneged? Would that not be an indication for you that he gives a shit about the concerns of these people that may consider themselves Americans? You want them to leave the country?

Personally I do. I hope trump kicks em out. If he doesn't and extends them a branch, then I'd be okay with it because its on behalf of the US people which is a leadership decision NOT made in a looooong time.

That said, here's some credit for the guy, during the interview, he was the most respectable I've seen him.

At least you're beginning to get an idea that the caricature of trump you've been lead to believe is just that.

He wouldn't be where he is in life (pre-election) if he weren't a savvy, intelligent person and dare i say sympathetic or possibly even relateable. You act like he's some backwoods sister-fucker with a still in his bathroom. This guy has international businesses. The sky isn't falling, chicken little.

[VNG704]

A He's said, "We’re going to work something out that’s going to make people happy and proud." Not really unleashing any policy insights there.

B On top of that, what are you even complaining about if you honestly believe he reneged? Would that not be an indication for you that he gives a shit about the concerns of these people that may consider themselves Americans? You want them to leave the country?

C Personally I do. I hope trump kicks em out. If he doesn't and extends them a branch, then I'd be okay with it because its on behalf of the US people which is a leadership decision NOT made in a looooong time.



D At least you're beginning to get an idea that the caricature of trump you've been lead to believe is just that.

E He wouldn't be where he is in life (pre-election) if he weren't a savvy, intelligent person and dare i say sympathetic or possibly even relateable.


F You act like he's some backwoods sister-fucker with a still in his bathroom. This guy has international businesses. The sky isn't falling, chicken little.
A We're obviously not on the same page. If you watched the interview, you'd know he reneged on other things, but that's not even the point.


B Again, if you watched the interview, it has nothing to do with what I "believe" he did or not. Last time I'm going to say this, he openly, on video, reneged.


C ok.


D No, I still think he's an idiot with an impulsive mouth. I don't think he's entirely a bad person, but definitely in it for the same reason a career politician would be in it. Same shit, diff pile.


E I believe he's where he's at with a lot of help from his "small loan of one million" buckeroos and connection from father. If he would have invested in Index funds with that "small loan," he would be worth at least $10 BILLION more than he is now. That's ten zeros! Savvy, :tweak:.


F 100% conjecture. Is that you kashira kureijii under a different username? No, there's no name calling in that post. Sorry to have confuse you guys as the same person. Oh wait, there it goes. There seems to be a trend with you two. Tell me where I painted this picture you soo beautifully described. Please don't confuse mine with your own opinions of certain people.


At this point, we're getting nowhere. I'm out.

[zombiewolf513]

At this point, we're getting nowhere. I'm out.

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[zombiewolf513]

D No, I still think he's an idiot with an impulsive mouth. I don't think he's entirely a bad person, but definitely in it for the same reason a career politician would be in it. Same shit, diff pile.


Alexander the Great is arguably the greatest leader of all time. He controlled much of the known western world (at the time) and laid the foundation for bringing the modern eastern and western worlds together. People adored him. History has a tendancy to adore him. And for the TLDR people, AtG is the perfect example for why people from total assholes to shear lucky people can be successful and great in the eyes of history by making many more people successful, despite SERIOUS character flaws.

Alexander the Great:
-died before 28
-Was what we would be called a lifelong gay in today's terms, yet married the daughter of his once most opposing force (more to come) :keke:
-took slaves, tortured them for rudimentary science
-basked in vanity
-Boasted and had a huge ego in his younger life and political years (when he First became king by declaring himself king after the Battle of Issus *irony much?*)
-the list of character flaws continues along the deplorable tracks to include rape and so on
-Is argued to have been not really 'special' relative to other people and wasnt particularly known as 'the smart kid' or 'the strong kid' or anything like that, he was just 'the kid' (until his dad emboldened AtG's ambition)
-is argued to have just been one super lucky SoB to have been totally undefeated even through his death.

He was so successful in the eyes of history despite what a lot of people today would consider damning flaws, because aside from his obvious geniology and hierarchical advantage:
-He lead from the front
-He aspired to be an expert at the art of strategy
-Gained an extreme amount of ambition ("thanks dad")
-Gained and maintained the affection of his people by being/acting (debated) as a commoner. People killed themselves when he died. (The fact it's debated, I believe, shows this is a massive piece to a political leadership success)
-Gained the affection of those he defeated in war, similarly
-TOOK CHANCES
-showed compassion by sparing enemy royalty and sometimes their local government officials. Even displaying chivalry to them.
-encouraged interracial relationships for his troops directly and by example (remember?)
-Was a diverse thinker that could eventually harness not just the adoration of family friends fellow-soldiers and global politics, but also economics and wartime strategy.
-Constantly pushed the limits of 'scientific', engineering, and human innovation
-Had extremely strong moral courage (meaning to continue to do what he believed in while facing adversity, as opposed to upholding modern-to-us standards)

Read up on AtG sometime. Its kind of obvious people and history will readily sidestep YUGE character flaws if it means that humanity benefitted in the long run. I was about to write an opposing argument, but this is zilvia so i need not say more on that.

In conclusion:
Give Trump a chance, he's no where near as crazy as AtG was.
Even if he ISNT the common man he appears, and if he does the right thing by people and history as a whole he'll go down in history as a legend. Albeit not likely anywhere near as badass as AtG but would be legendary nontheless. I'm not going to do it because I do not think he'll match AtG, but one could readily argue that history has already beckoned trump's success based on the lines you can draw connecting himself and AtG. The similarities are striking, but probably dont amount to much significance as many other leaders have tried to replicate AtG and failed

[Nissan2nr22]

Pathetic. These next 4 years will either go extremely bad or unexpectedly well.

[kashira kureijii]

Alexander the Great:

-Was what we would be called a lifelong gay in today's terms, yet married the daughter of his once most opposing force (more to come) :keke:


This is what happens when you get your alexander info from the history channel/popular culture, instead of an actual biography.
Alexander wasn't a *SNIP*, he had multiple wives, many who would offer no real political benefit. One of the wives he took while conquering freaking Afghanistan (supposedly unconquerable) was taken because she was "renowned for her beauty " . It seems like all the more modern historic info you read gets further and further from the truth. Like, "new study finds that alexander, genghis khan, and others were actually gay" etc etc.

they read chapters of old history books that say, "so and so was alexanders best-friend from chidhood" and think "ah this totally means they fucked". Modern historians are shit, because they think their historic perspective, written like 2000+ years later is more accurate than actual history books from eyewtnesses written about 100 years after it happened.

[zombiewolf513]

many debate that he was intimate with him, if it was a him, because that wouldnt have been taboo what-so-ever in their ancient times (and modern Afghanistan).

Women can be viewed as cows for baby making and boys are for pleasure.

It hasnt always been so cut and dry on who is and isnt a *SNIP*
I should have made that more clear when I called him gay because nowadays if youre a dude and you see a dick youre berated as full on gay

[Future240]

This is what happens when you get your alexander info from the history channel/popular culture, instead of an actual biography.
Alexander wasn't a *SNIP* , he had multiple wives, many who would offer no real political benefit. One of the wives he took while conquering freaking Afghanistan (supposedly unconquerable) was taken because she was "renowned for her beauty " . It seems like all the more modern historic info you read gets further and further from the truth. Like, "new study finds that alexander, genghis khan, and others were actually gay" etc etc.

they read chapters of old history books that say, "so and so was alexanders best-friend from chidhood" and think "ah this totally means they fucked". Modern historians are shit, because they think their historic perspective, written like 2000+ years later is more accurate than actual history books from eyewtnesses written about 100 years after it happened.

many debate that he was intimate with him, if it was a him, because that wouldnt have been taboo what-so-ever in their ancient times (and modern Afghanistan).

Women can be viewed as cows for baby making and boys are for pleasure.

It hasnt always been so cut and dry on who is and isnt a *SNIP*
I should have made that more clear when I called him gay because nowadays if youre a dude and you see a dick youre berated as full on gay

Both of you have been on Zilvia long enough to know better.

[Frank_Jaeger]

Ahhhahahaha you got in trouble.

[VNG704]

"Bye Felicia"

[feito]

I think the site needed a break from one of those guys....

[RalliartRsX]

LOL! I sat from the side lines and watched it all come unraveled for those two.

VNG704, I am surprised you bothered to continue the debate for so long :D :D

P.S Who is going to pay for that monumental tax break Trump offered to Carrier to save 110........wait, Trump had it wrong. To save a little over 700 jobs?? The same people who praised him for saving those "700 or so" jobs, NOT Carrier.

[VNG704]

LOL! I sat from the side lines and watched it all come unraveled for those two.

VNG704, I am surprised you bothered to continue the debate for so long :D :D

P.S Who is going to pay for that monumental tax break Trump offered to Carrier to save 110........wait, Trump had it wrong. To save a little over 700 jobs?? The same people who praised him for saving those "700 or so" jobs, NOT Carrier.
You know when you talk to people, you don't know how they think until you actually have dialogue with them? That's why it went on for as long as it did. And then I wanted to help them understand but they kept ignoring the fact that Trump reneged, so I finally left the "dialogue."


More recorded proof Trump reneged on his promises below. One of his biggest campaign strengths he had on Hillary, the swamp draining. He was supposed to be someone different. Bringer of change. "Hillary was a career politician, so let's vote Trump." He's essentially admitting to lying to everyone. "Draining the swamp" was a gimmick he made up and only kept saying it because he realized people liked it. I know Trevor Noah is very anti Trump, but watch the video objectively and just pay attention to the parts where Trump is actually talking himself. Also, pure example of "some" of Trump's supporters. As he tells them the truth that they were used and lied to, they're clapping. lol. Come on guys, :facepalm: .
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/i9tog6/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-trump-lets-the-truth-come-out-post-election?xrs=synd_FBPAGE_20161215_729898039_The%20 Daily%20Show_Video%20with%20Link&linkId=32425738

[exitspeed]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/23/biden-rips-democrats-elitism-faults-party-for-failing-to-reach-working-class.html

Probably the only thing I've agreed with Biden on. The "Elitism" is one of the reasons the Left lost. I've pointed out that exact attitude in this thread.

[simmode1]

Bump.

So it's been, what? 7 months since the left lost and the right got their guy in?
How are we all feeling about this administration at this point?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHxoj8VUIAETpS7.jpg
lol

[RalliartRsX]

Failed to repeal,
No tax overhaul plan,
No infrastructure plan,
Is posturing war with NK (and now wants to remain in Afghan),
Looks directly at eclipse,
Blames both sides for Neo Nazi killing girl in Charlotte (because you know, the driver of the vehicle was a Neo Nazi and all),
Praised Putin for firing 700+ Americans,
Has all his manufacturing counsel step down,
Lied about calls with Mexican President and boy scout president,
Hired the mooch,
Blames his own staff for not closing the deal om repeal,
Stepped out of the Energy counsel,

I need a drink of water......And that was only the last month......

Looks good to me! He is doing a fine job.........

[future]

No complaints


Somebody is always going to complain about who is in power. Get the fuck over it

[simmode1]

Failed to repeal,
No tax overhaul plan,
No infrastructure plan,
Is posturing war with NK (and now wants to remain in Afghan),
Looks directly at eclipse,
Blames both sides for Neo Nazi killing girl in Charlotte (because you know, the driver of the vehicle was a Neo Nazi and all),
Praised Putin for firing 700+ Americans,
Has all his manufacturing counsel step down,
Lied about calls with Mexican President and boy scout president,
Hired the mooch,
Blames his own staff for not closing the deal om repeal,
Stepped out of the Energy counsel,

I need a drink of water......And that was only the last month......

Looks good to me! He is doing a fine job.........
I thought that news of him exhausting the Secret Service's budget in 6/7 months was particularly noteworthy...lol

[RalliartRsX]

I thought that news of him exhausting the Secret Service's budget in 6/7 months was particularly noteworthy...lol

......I had to get a glass of water.

As far as that budget is concerned (yep I read it as well, but it was not explicitly stated FY or CY), I hope its the FY and not the calendar year :(......

However, the SS has been in shambles for quiet some time even before Trump took office, so there is that. But it does not excuse his hypocrisy when he complained about how many times Obama played golf, when in the last 7 months, trump has played more golf than the last 6 presidents combined. And with his "entourage" of family (42 members) and their subsequent trips, he easily surpassed all the last presidents in budgetary spending in regards to security detail.....

MAGA. Fucking over the very people who voted for him by exhausting tax payer dollars on all his lavish trips......Yep. That's our president.

[VNG704]

No complaints


Somebody is always going to complain about who is in power. Get the fuck over itAgreed about people always gonna complain, but you gotta admit this guys an idiot. Lol. At the same time, some people will never admit they made a mistake choosing him because "fk those damn lefties/dems/etc."

President talks shit/tweets about the dumbest things, impulsively. Yet, tip toed around the Charlottesville incident like he didn't wanna hurt the nazis' feelings. Lol gtfoh.

[simmode1]

No complaints


Somebody is always going to complain about who is in power. Get the fuck over it
You're right. I just don't think we all expected so many of the complaints to be coming from his own supporters or both active & former staff.
Ppl are abandoning him left & right. His base & support are shrinking by the day. Can't do this job alone.

Sidenote: I find it interesting how the conversation of bringing up impeachment charges is transitioning to whether he'll resign from frustration before we even reach that point.

[VNG704]

You're right. I just don't think we all expected so many of the complaints to be coming from his own supporters or both active & former staff.
Ppl are abandoning him left & right. His base & support are shrinking by the day.Exactly. And that staff is coming and going, quick.

[simmode1]

I think, with his support dwindling like it is, the midterms are going to be very interesting. That is, if he's still in office at that point. With resignation speculation making the rounds, it's interesting to note that he won't be the first president to do so, if he chose to. Nixon resigned too.

[RalliartRsX]

I think, with his support dwindling like it is, the midterms are going to be very interesting. That is, if he's still in office at that point. With resignation speculation making the rounds, it's interesting to note that he won't be the first president to do so, if he chose to. Nixon resigned too.

If he resigns we get religious nutwing Pence......lol

What's bizarre is that his Evangelical base is silent the entire 7 months and counting and still support him. Makes you wonder if being religious is just blind faith?? (sorry to detract).

But back to our president.

I do not see him resigning. He is way too stubborn and considering his entire life being from money and always being told he is a winner, the chances of him seceding I think are very small. However, what I do see is if more reasonable human beings join the insane clown posse and reigning in Trump (read: John Kelly), he may have a fighting chance.

Now as far as his support dwindling, I am 50/50 on that. There are still ALOT of people who support him..........especially in high and influential places. That is what concerns me. The people who are actually pulling the levers to effect change.

[simmode1]

^^^Oh, I'm not saying he has no support. But it certainly is a lot less of what it was before. Still formidable though.

That good ol Evangelical base... They're pretty selective about what they decide to get vocal about. You are right though. Pence is even more worrying for a lot of ppl because he actually knows how to govern his ideals into law, unlike Trump.

I was thinking the same thing though about him actually improving his chances of staying in office when the Steve Bannon separation happened. He was probably the most polarizing member of Trump's cabinet, so we'll see if things become a little more reasonable with him out.

[feito]

Waking up everyday not having hillary as potus is a victory alone, not matter how bad he fucks up. He did fuck up by promising so much in so little, but i guess that's how politics work... Guy's only been in for 7 months ffs.

[SSJ-S15]

Waking up everyday not having hillary as potus is a victory alone, not matter how bad he fucks up. He did fuck up by promising so much in so little, but i guess that's how politics work... Guy's only been in for 7 months ffs.

He's an absolute disaster. Fucking embarrassment to the country.

[RalliartRsX]

Waking up everyday not having hillary as potus is a victory alone, not matter how bad he fucks up. He did fuck up by promising so much in so little, but i guess that's how politics work... Guy's only been in for 7 months ffs.

Let me pose a legitimate question to you: What has HRC done (apart from her emails, which have yet to be proven. Benghazi was a witch hunt that uncovered NOTHING which YOUR tax dollars payed for. And her foundation actually does good and I can properly cite this information), that is

1) Grossly incompetent
2) Grossly incompetent in comparison to trump??

Serious question here.

Now, HRC is not perfect and I am not totting her line. But this is a democracy and I would like to know why HRC is so bad in your eyes??

[Phlip]

Failed to repeal,
No tax overhaul plan,
No infrastructure plan,
Is posturing war with NK (and now wants to remain in Afghan),
Looks directly at eclipse,
Blames both sides for Neo Nazi killing girl in Charlottesville (because you know, the driver of the vehicle was a Neo Nazi and all),
Praised Putin for firing 700+ Americans,
Has all his manufacturing counsel step down,
Lied about calls with Mexican President and boy scout president,
Hired the mooch,
Blames his own staff for not closing the deal om repeal,
Stepped out of the Energy counsel,

I need a drink of water......And that was only the last month......

Looks good to me! He is doing a fine job.........

Fixed that for you... Those places are almost 5 hours apart. One is closer to you than they are to each other.
Otherwise, I agree.

[VNG704]

Waking up everyday not having hillary as potus is a victory alone, not matter how bad he fucks up. He did fuck up by promising so much in so little, but i guess that's how politics work... Guy's only been in for 7 months ffs.



Agreed about people always gonna complain, but you gotta admit this guys an idiot. Lol. At the same time, some people will never admit they made a mistake choosing him because "fk those damn lefties/dems/etc."

President talks shit/tweets about the dumbest things, impulsively. Yet, tip toed around the Charlottesville incident like he didn't wanna hurt the nazis' feelings. Lol gtfoh.

Here's one.

[Phlip]

I think, with his support dwindling like it is, the midterms are going to be very interesting. That is, if he's still in office at that point. With resignation speculation making the rounds, it's interesting to note that he won't be the first president to do so, if he chose to. Nixon resigned too.
I mentioned that on FB or Twitter or something last week...
There was a meeting on 08/07/74 wherein some GOP Senators met with Nixon and told him, in so many words: "look, we can't fuck with you. You got too much shit on you and we can't risk smelling shitty too."
08/08/74, he resigned. 45 Keeps starting shit with literally everyone who dares not suck his butt and he will be in a similar position.

Another theory I have is that Paul Ryan is doing a bangup job of keeping his nose clean and letting Trump get into shit with the Senate and not the House.
That means something.
Paul Ryan, should Trump not manage to piss someone off into impeaching him or freely resign when his presidency starts costing him real world net worth, will primary Trump in 2020 and win.

[simmode1]

^^^I could see that. That would probably be preferable to letting Pence take a whack at it.

[RalliartRsX]

As much as I am not a fan of Ryan, he sure as hell was put between a rock and hard place when he became Speaker of the House when trump came on board.

[RalliartRsX]

Waking up everyday not having hillary as potus is a victory alone, not matter how bad he fucks up. He did fuck up by promising so much in so little, but i guess that's how politics work... Guy's only been in for 7 months ffs.

The GOP has control of both the House and Senate, where the real work is done. trump has no excuse to not have anything done in 7 months........

[S14kouki805]

The GOP has control of both the House and Senate, where the real work is done. trump has no excuse to not have anything done in 7 months........

The fact that he's done so much damage in the 7mos. he's been in should be more telling than what he hasn't done...he truly is a national embarrassment. He is actually much worse than I had anticipated.

[SimpleS14]

https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/898938358294097921?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Ftrump-resign-russia-olbermann-president-654209

[exitspeed]

Trump isn't going to resign. He's not a quitter. He has way too HUUUGE of an ego for that.

Since the Russian Collusion scandal is not a real thing, the main stream media (and intern the Left) is moving on to Trump having "mental health" issues and not being "fit". That and this resignation prediction.

Ryan is saying tax reform is GOING to happen before the end of the year. That's the big one for me. If that happens, all this other shit I can look past.

[RalliartRsX]

Trump willing to shut down the government because Congress won't pay for the wall?? Wait......I thought Trump said Mexico (NOT the tax payers, which is exactly why he is willing to shut down the government) was going to pay for it??

What in the ever living fuck..........That is trump summed up in one sentence.

Its funny how the trump supporters are eerily quiet........And they are still active (and view) this thread. Yep, there you have it.

You guys want to own up to the dumpster fire yet or is he still your president??

[exitspeed]

Its funny how the trump supporters are eerily quiet........

And it's funny (although not at all) that the Left just CAN'T get past the fact he won and let the man do his job. It's non stop temper tantrums across the country. The folks in WI are used to this because we dealt with these Lefty crybullies for years after Walker was elected Gov. Non stop protesting, destruction and tantrums that lead to nothing other than Walker turning our state around once he was able to actually do his job without distraction.

I'll own up to voting for him. Am I happy with everything he's doing and how he's handling it? No. Not by a long shot. Matter of fact I can't stand some of it. I don't think any of the people that voted for him expected full repeal and the wall would be easy and done in 7 months. That's the Lefty media's expectation so they can point out the fact it's not done.

The reason we're quite is because we have nothing to say. We won and we're letting him do what he does and we'll see.

[S14kouki805]

And it's funny (although not at all) that the Left just CAN'T get past the fact he won and let the man do his job. It's non stop temper tantrums across the country. The folks in WI are used to this because we dealt with these Lefty crybullies for years after Walker was elected Gov. Non stop protesting, destruction and tantrums that lead to nothing other than Walker turning our state around once he was able to actually do his job without distraction.

I'll own up to voting for him. Am I happy with everything he's doing and how he's handling it? No. Not by a long shot. Matter of fact I can't stand some of it. I don't think any of the people that voted for him expected full repeal and the wall would be easy and done in 7 months. That's the Lefty media's expectation so they can point out the fact it's not done.

The reason we're quite is because we have nothing to say. We won and we're letting him do what he does and we'll see.

Sick of the whole "we won" BS, yeah you won but the country lost "bigly" :picardfp:

It was Trump that made all of those outlandish claims about what he was going to do at the snap of a finger, he thought he would be king trump, he had no idea how a democracy functions. That is the problem with thinking that the country can be run like a corporation.

Honestly I do question his mental health, he's been eating his own crap so long he has gone insane. He literally makes ZERO sense when he speaks. It is incoherent rambling that side tracks onto other meaningless dribble. Always throwing in a "plug" about how great he is (you know he owns a home in Charlottesville right?)

He more than likely will not resign because his "yuuuge" ego won't allow him to. I believe he will be impeached when Russia releases the "peepee tapes", the Kremlin literally has him by the balls. This is not a position we want our country in where Russia can blackmail our president at any moment.

[SSJ-S15]

Trump isn't going to resign. He's not a quitter. He has way too HUUUGE of an ego for that.

Since the Russian Collusion scandal is not a real thing, the main stream media (and intern the Left) is moving on to Trump having "mental health" issues and not being "fit". That and this resignation prediction.

Ryan is saying tax reform is GOING to happen before the end of the year. That's the big one for me. If that happens, all this other shit I can look past.

Really? Not sure if you're just ignoring what's going on but the Mueller investigation is getting pretty damn serious.

And the not being fit talk is coming from a lot of Republicans as well.

Let's face reality, the guys is incompetent to lead this country. He's out for himself, not the people he's supposed to be looking out for.

[RalliartRsX]

And it's funny (although not at all) that the Left just CAN'T get past the fact he won and let the man do his job. It's non stop temper tantrums across the country. The folks in WI are used to this because we dealt with these Lefty crybullies for years after Walker was elected Gov. Non stop protesting, destruction and tantrums that lead to nothing other than Walker turning our state around once he was able to actually do his job without distraction.

I'll own up to voting for him. Am I happy with everything he's doing and how he's handling it? No. Not by a long shot. Matter of fact I can't stand some of it. I don't think any of the people that voted for him expected full repeal and the wall would be easy and done in 7 months. That's the Lefty media's expectation so they can point out the fact it's not done.

The reason we're quite is because we have nothing to say. We won and we're letting him do what he does and we'll see.


I never referred to "winning" the election. What I was referring to is the subsequent dumpster fire that is associated with trump "winning". However, the typical talking point of trump and the far right is "Anything but HRC" all the while not realizing trump has proven so far to be more incompetent than any candidate and president in modern day history spanning back a century.

Russian collusion: I guess the admission of trump jr after the email got leaked of collusion was not admission enough that the trump administration colluded with Russia?? Again, another talking point. trump was never under investigation (and for all we know, still is not). His admin/transition team is! Stop clouding the facts with incorrect opinions.

Stop pointing fingers at "lefties". None of them pointed a gun to trumps head and told him to fly off the handle and not get a single thing done. GOP controls the house and congress. He really does not need any input from them to get things done. This is all GOP so stop falsely blaming the left. Remember, trump went after POW (McCain), who in turn put the kaput on the healthcare repeal.

ALL GOP! Take responsibility and stop pointing fingers.

Trump has failed to make good on about 100% of his promises and is working the screw the people who actually voted for him, and that is something no one can deny

[feito]

Honestly I'm not that into politics, but from what I heard throughout their campaings, it seemed that hillary was gonna keep the country going into the same dicerction obama had for the past 8 years, which i completely disagreed with.
Bathroom bills, safe spaces, stricter gun laws, looser immigration laws, homos in the arm forces, more benefits for the lazy, plans for free public college, higher wages, "free" healthcare, globalization etc etc. Plus what went down in benghazi. Oh, and did i mention she's a woman? Also, i am of the idea that if you already tried once, and you're rejected by the country, you should just stop being so stubborn.
I am not a fan of trump nor MOST of his agenda, but it was worth a shot over his contendant.
No, im not happy with how things are going so far, it seems like he was in for more corruption than he thought, but at least we have seen him making a push against some of the things that i oppose and affect me, and already made a few good changea, and he's just starting.
Let's not forget all these liberal POS hate groups causing trouble out there such as antifa and blm are a result of those 8 long years of liberalism, see what they caused? You ever saw conservative groups causing this level of destruction during those years?
P.S
I'm also disappointed that a lot of celebrities haven't left the country.

[S14kouki805]

Honestly I'm not that into politics, but from what I heard throughout their campaings, it seemed that hillary was gonna keep the country going into the same dicerction obama had for the past 8 years, which i completely disagreed with.

Fine that's your opinion


Bathroom bills, safe spaces, stricter gun laws, looser immigration laws, homos in the arm forces, more benefits for the lazy, plans for free public college, higher wages, "free" healthcare, globalization etc etc. Plus what went down in benghazi. Oh, and did i mention she's a woman? Also, i am of the idea that if you already tried once, and you're rejected by the country, you should just stop being so stubborn..

Wow, just wow...who gives a shit if there are unisex bathrooms, I mean really? Safe spaces? Meh whatever, I guess that's lame but not sure how it DIRECTLY affects you. Stricter gun laws, how about common sense gun laws, no one is taking away your damn guns it's never going to happen. The republicans use that as a tool to ensure votes keep coming from the right. Looser immigration, another hot topic. We need reform, we cannot allow a flow of immigrants but we also need to have a path to citizenship. There is currently no path. Do you know anyone who has ever tried to get papers? I do, it's next to impossible. Gays in the military, those "homos" are fighting for your freedom (and whatever other BS the gov't feels like starting shit over), what does their sexual preference have to do with their ability to fight a war? It makes me sad that there are so many people that share your opinion...Free college? Right, because for profit colleges (Trump U anyone?) are so much better. This would be merely an extension of the current K-12 system, hey I'm all for an educated populous. You can use my tax dollars on education anytime.

Which brings me to healthcare. Why wouldn't we have free healthcare? You do realize that the insurance companies and pharmaceutical corporations are raping us with NO Vaseline? You think they give flying fuck about curing diseases? Hell no they are all in it for the MONEY. Higher wages, it's called income inequality. Take a look at what these corporations have done to the average worker bee in the past 40yrs. CEO, CFO's are literally laughing their fat asses off all the way to the bank. Trickle down does not work period.

Let me make this clear, I did not want HRC but it was not because she is a woman, it was because I did not trust her. Your statement was the definition of misogyny. Benghazi, that's up for debate...as far as her re-running I don't care how many times she tries, doesn't matter.


I am not a fan of trump nor MOST of his agenda, but it was worth a shot over his contendant.
No, im not happy with how things are going so far, it seems like he was in for more corruption than he thought, but at least we have seen him making a push against some of the things that i oppose and affect me, and already made a few good changea, and he's just starting.
Let's not forget all these liberal POS hate groups causing trouble out there such as antifa and blm are a result of those 8 long years of liberalism, see what they caused? You ever saw conservative groups causing this level of destruction during those years?
P.S
I'm also disappointed that a lot of celebrities haven't left the country.

Regarding liberal hate groups, you are referring to the extremists. For the most part they stand for a good cause, I would stand with them over "White Nationalists". As far as "liberalism" caused by 8yrs of Obama look what a year of Trump has brought upon us? Do really think we can stand 4yrs of this bigotry let alone 8?

[kashira kureijii]

http://i.imgur.com/p5FOWGe.gif?1








Which brings me to healthcare. Why wouldn't we have free healthcare? You do realize that the insurance companies and pharmaceutical corporations are raping us with NO Vaseline? You think they give flying fuck about curing diseases? Hell no they are all in it for the MONEY. Higher wages, it's called income inequality. Take a look at what these corporations have done to the average worker bee in the past 40yrs. CEO, CFO's are literally laughing their fat asses off all the way to the bank. Trickle down does not work period.



There should be no insurance, the weak and poor should just die, If you gave them free healthcare, they'd just use it for Latisha's 10th abortion or take their kids to the doctor everytime they had a cold, Which is already what they pretty much do. Just look at all the illegals who take off work when their kid has a cold, so they can take them to the doctor on the cheap with their healthcare and shit. No person should have to pay for the immorality and weakness of others he doesnt even care about. Why should I, a moral person, have to pay for a bunch of peoples AIDS medicine? If Jorge and maria want to have 7 kids they can't afford and Jorge just has a shitty job, why should I pay for their poor decisions?

Other than the parasites who make their money off the stock market, do you think the hard working/intelligent should be punished for their success? You're all a bunch of peasants

All weakness must be discouraged, we have created a system in the complete disregard of the natural order of meritocracy. If you're poor and lazy and stupid,then you deserve to be poor lazy and stupid. If you're intelligent, you find a way to make things work. That is the law of life. People are inherently unequal, nothing will change that. The weak should fear the strong.
There should be no healthcare or government programs beyond education, military, logistics,and trade.

The reason trump hasn't gotten anything done is because leftist political entities and cuckservative traitors will not allow it. It shows the inherent weakness/idiocy of democracy.

[RalliartRsX]

blah blah blah
The reason trump hasn't gotten anything done is because leftist political entities and cuckservative traitors will not allow it. It shows the inherent weakness/idiocy of democracy.

Again I want to emphasis, and what people are constantly ignoring.

THE GOP HOLDS BOTH HOUSE AND SENATE!! TRUMP DOES NOT NEED LEFTIES FOR ANY DECISION.

Not sure how else I am going to say this..........

[RalliartRsX]

Its funny hearing people bitch about healthcare, but are willing to pay for car and house insurance.

Same exact philosophy........literally exactly the same. Sans the health insurance and pharmaceutical companies trying to wring every penny out of you. Literally the only difference. Universal healthcare is NOT the problem. and for anyone who can prove the ACA increased insurance at a much higher rate than prior to the ACA with actual proof from a non bias source, I will concede. The ACA is not perfect, not even close, but with them paying out subsidies to the insurance companies, they have put a bandaid on the problem. Its a start but its better than the alternative

If you do not like it, then do not pay car or house insurance because "the weak should not be GTFO". Then go ahead and wreck your car or have your roof blown off. Then I would like to see how many people hate insurance.

Its all fun and games until your own butt is on the line.

[lunchmeat]

Again I want to emphasis, and what people are constantly ignoring.

THE GOP HOLDS BOTH HOUSE AND SENATE!! TRUMP DOES NOT NEED LEFTIES FOR ANY DECISION.

Not sure how else I am going to say this..........Because there's no fucking difference in the parties, with the exception of who they pander to and how they waste our tax dollars. The gop hates trump because he isn't one of them. Six or seven years to come up with something to replace the aca and they have nothing. Dems hate him for the same reason, albeit with more bitching.

I'm done dealing with politics. The bureaucratic fuck knuckles in dc will do what they want, when they want and give 0 fucks about us peasants.

And why the hell are neo Nazis relevant? They've been around for decades and everyone just ignored them. Antifa comes along, stirs the shit, and now look what we have. Two hard core groups in a dick measuring contest on who has the better oppressive ideology. Fuck em all.

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[feito]

Fine that's your opinion




Wow, just wow...who gives a shit if there are unisex bathrooms, I mean really? Safe spaces? Meh whatever, I guess that's lame but not sure how it DIRECTLY affects you. Stricter gun laws, how about common sense gun laws, no one is taking away your damn guns it's never going to happen. The republicans use that as a tool to ensure votes keep coming from the right. Looser immigration, another hot topic. We need reform, we cannot allow a flow of immigrants but we also need to have a path to citizenship. There is currently no path. Do you know anyone who has ever tried to get papers? I do, it's next to impossible. Gays in the military, those "homos" are fighting for your freedom (and whatever other BS the gov't feels like starting shit over), what does their sexual preference have to do with their ability to fight a war? It makes me sad that there are so many people that share your opinion...Free college? Right, because for profit colleges (Trump U anyone?) are so much better. This would be merely an extension of the current K-12 system, hey I'm all for an educated populous. You can use my tax dollars on education anytime.
nothing against
Nothing against homos using unisex bathrooms, as long as they stay out of hetero bathrooms that dont belong to their gender.
Plenty of common sense gun laws in effect already, you living in cali should know this better, and they dont work.
I am a naturalized american citizen, so I know, and it think it's fine where it's at right now, maybe a few things here and there, but overall it's fine. Of course it's difficult, why would it have to be easy?
There are thousands of people being denied the honor to serve in the armed forces for 100's of reasons such as flat feet, obesity, underweight, etc etc... why wouldn't a mental disease just be another reason? Like I read somewhere, you adapt to the army, not the army to you. You're homo and wanna serve in the forces bad enough? You start acting like the gender you really are, and keep it that way while you're serving. I have a deep respect for the armed forces and for the sacrifices they make for us everyday, but something really is wrong if they are making exceptions with this kind of people.
Students are picking ridiculously useless careers while paying out of pocket/becoming in debt, now imagine how worse that problem would be if we the taxpayers pay for it?

Which brings me to healthcare. Why wouldn't we have free healthcare? You do realize that the insurance companies and pharmaceutical corporations are raping us with NO Vaseline? You think they give flying fuck about curing diseases? Hell no they are all in it for the MONEY. Higher wages, it's called income inequality. Take a look at what these corporations have done to the average worker bee in the past 40yrs. CEO, CFO's are literally laughing their fat asses off all the way to the bank. Trickle down does not work period.

Let me make this clear, I did not want HRC but it was not because she is a woman, it was because I did not trust her. Your statement was the definition of misogyny. Benghazi, that's up for debate...as far as her re-running I don't care how many times she tries, doesn't matter.
Hey, at least now we have options, expensive but they're there, whereas centuries ago, not even with money you could get the cure. Become a pharmaceutical kingpin and give your shit away for free, problem solved xD. Dont have money to even pay for your own doctor? Don't reproduce...
Income inequality is normal in capitalism, Im sorry you, I aren't smart enough to climb the ladder nor were born to rich parents, life is tough...



Regarding liberal hate groups, you are referring to the extremists. For the most part they stand for a good cause, I would stand with them over "White Nationalists". As far as "liberalism" caused by 8yrs of Obama look what a year of Trump has brought upon us? Do really think we can stand 4yrs of this bigotry let alone 8?
I couldn't take either side, but I can tell you that liberals are causing most of the trouble out there when instead they should be at work, or at least looking for some... Listen, I really have no stand on this confederate statue deal, but one thing I can tell you, after all statues are gone, they wont stop there, and after they go after something else they wont stop there, and so on so on. Somebody is gotta put a stop to their non-scene. The whole reason things are getting out of control out there is because of their non-scene, bunch of lazy SOB's...

[kashira kureijii]

Its funny hearing people bitch about healthcare, but are willing to pay for car and house insurance.

Same exact philosophy........literally exactly the same. Sans the health insurance and pharmaceutical companies trying to wring every penny out of you. Literally the only difference. Universal healthcare is NOT the problem. and for anyone who can prove the ACA increased insurance at a much higher rate than prior to the ACA with actual proof from a non bias source, I will concede. The ACA is not perfect, not even close, but with them paying out subsidies to the insurance companies, they have put a bandaid on the problem. Its a start but its better than the alternative

If you do not like it, then do not pay car or house insurance because "the weak should not be GTFO". Then go ahead and wreck your car or have your roof blown off. Then I would like to see how many people hate insurance.

Its all fun and games until your own butt is on the line.

Insurance/healthcare in itself isn't a problem, government subsidized insurance/healthcare is. What I'm saying is that if the entire bloated system were to be done away with, and insurance being corporate only for everyone, then I wouldn't have to pay my insurance, and then pay a bunch of taxes for other poor peoples insurance. If you have some shit go down and no money or insurance, then look to a charity, but don't make rules forcing others to be charitable.

I also mentioned expicitly that the cuckservatives in the GOP were just being a bunch of anti-trump cronies. I know well that the GOP controls house and senate, but they're a bunch of cucks, who's only goal is to make money off political intrigue.

[RalliartRsX]

Insurance/healthcare in itself isn't a problem, government subsidized insurance/healthcare is. What I'm saying is that if the entire bloated system were to be done away with, and insurance being corporate only for everyone, then I wouldn't have to pay my insurance, and then pay a bunch of taxes for other poor peoples insurance. If you have some shit go down and no money or insurance, then look to a charity, but don't make rules forcing others to be charitable.

I also mentioned expicitly that the cuckservatives in the GOP were just being a bunch of anti-trump cronies. I know well that the GOP controls house and senate, but they're a bunch of cucks, who's only goal is to make money off political intrigue.

No. The problem is the cost placed on us by insurance companies and pharmaceuticals. Medicaid has worked well for the last 60 years actually.

I should not be getting a bill from the ER for $25,000 for an over night visit. OTC Advil (which is issued in the ER) should not be $600 a pill.

THAT is the problem and has been a problem for 2-3 decades. literally. It has NOTHING to do with government subsidies and the government subsidies actually HELP to lower health care, NOT increase it.

Want to know why your monthly bill isn't $2,000 vs $800?? Is because of the government subsidies you hate so much.

If trump lets that default/fail, I will promise your premiums are going to shoot up about 10-100 fold as there is no way the insurance companies are going to eat the difference and guess who pays for it?? Yep, YOU!

They NEED to go to war with the insurance, hospital/care provider and pharmaceutical companies. Simple! That is one thing the ACA did not touch, which is what I hate most about it.

I am not one for either, but the ACA was a start. If trump had 2 cents and actually cared about his voters, he would fix rather than repeal.

But hey, I got mine so fuck everyone else, right??

[DrtyRat]

Trump willing to shut down the government because Congress won't pay for the wall?? Wait......I thought Trump said Mexico (NOT the tax payers, which is exactly why he is willing to shut down the government) was going to pay for it??

What in the ever living fuck..........That is trump summed up in one sentence.

Its funny how the trump supporters are eerily quiet........And they are still active (and view) this thread. Yep, there you have it.

You guys want to own up to the dumpster fire yet or is he still your president??

I for one stay 'eerily quiet' because I'm tired of being painted with a broad brush stroke by those who oppose Trump. There is no civil debate on this topic, and every time I try to have discussions about this I am labeled a racist, mysoginist, etc because I voted for Trump. In actuality there are many things that the left supports that I'm for(immigration,racial equality and medical marijuana ). I don't agree with free college education for everyone only because I believe it would devalue it and it's already affordable with community college. These are obviously some of the low hanging fruit, but I want people to realize that though I'm conservative through and through I truly care about the everyone. However if the people continue to label all Trump supporters as 'deplorable' then I believe that in 2020 we'll have another 4 years of a conservative in the White House. Lastly, I will tell you what I tell my friends who didn't vote for Trump: 'All you had to do was put a candidate up there that was better than Trump, and you would've had my vote and you couldn't manage to do that!' 😂

[RalliartRsX]

DrtyRat; very fair and proper discussion and if he is your candidate, I am not going to sit here and berate you folks. HOWEVER, by pulling the lever for the few things he appeals to while placing a lower priority on everything else (racism, sexist, mysoginist, etc), it is essentially you "endorsing" his short falls and willing to look the other way.

Its a difficult stance: On one hand the trump supporter claims they are nothing like trump, however is quickly to ignore his severe ill qualities because "he is there to shake up the establishment (or well, something to that effect)". Is shaking up the establishment more of a priority than racism, economy, taxes, health care, immigration, etc then that is why the trump supporters are being lump together. I am not saying you are any of those, but those items were not a priority at your time of vote.

Also, I always ask: what made HRC a worse of a candidate than trump? And if you list the talking points I mention above, then that is the problem. Many of those talking points have been debunked by every single bi partisan/non biased source. But "fake news" :(

I am not saying I am all in for HRC, but she would have made a much better president than what we have currently. HRC had many flaws, and one was being fairly removed from the blue collar workers for example (as is perceived). However, I have had direct experience with HRC reaching out to blue collar workers. Example: wife went to school with a girl who's mom had cancer. She reached out to HRC through her foundation. A few days later, HRC personally called her to provide consolation as well as making every effort to get her the medicine and care she needed. These are the stories that never made the airways.

trump has had similar stories before he became a slum lord (so about 30-40 years ago). Once he became slum lord, it all went downhill. That example above about HRC?? Happened only a few years ago.

Here is an analogy I go by when I have these discussions: If your son/daughter fell off their bike and sustained a severe injury, would you run to 7-11 and ask the clerk to operate on her?? So why would anyone vote a widely unsuccessful businessman with NO political experience to run the country?? Handling a country our size is much more than just running a business and closing deals (which he has actually done a very poor job of the past 20 years). You have many different cultures, classes, people, and foreign relations that "just closing the deal" does not even come close to addressing.

[kashira kureijii]

No. The problem is the cost placed on us by insurance companies and pharmaceuticals. Medicaid has worked well for the last 60 years actually.

I should not be getting a bill from the ER for $25,000 for an over night visit. OTC Advil (which is issued in the ER) should not be $600 a pill.

THAT is the problem and has been a problem for 2-3 decades. literally. It has NOTHING to do with government subsidies and the government subsidies actually HELP to lower health care, NOT increase it.

Want to know why your monthly bill isn't $2,000 vs $800?? Is because of the government subsidies you hate so much.

If trump lets that default/fail, I will promise your premiums are going to shoot up about 10-100 fold as there is no way the insurance companies are going to eat the difference and guess who pays for it?? Yep, YOU!

They NEED to go to war with the insurance, hospital/care provider and pharmaceutical companies. Simple! That is one thing the ACA did not touch, which is what I hate most about it.

I am not one for either, but the ACA was a start. If trump had 2 cents and actually cared about his voters, he would fix rather than repeal.

But hey, I got mine so fuck everyone else, right??
Yes fuck everyone else, how hard is Western Individualism to grasp?

Realistically it would be better if one payed doctors directly and greatly cut out the insurance side of things. That is how things are done in veterinary medicine, and it works fine. A lot of the reason why drugs are so expensive is both insurance and regulations with an anti-liability mindset behind them. The system would deflate dramatically if it was not set up in such a congested manner, ie direct payments fewer regulations etc etc. A lot of things in the world of medicine revolve around how scared doctors are that some peasant will sue them and live off their paycheck forever. This contributes greatly to how bloated the medical system is on a whole. Also the fact that so many people are degenerate and expect cheap healthcare (think drugs, smoking, premarital sex, homosexuality, etc etc) greatly contributes to these price issues. Your insurance is high because joe blow who smoked his entire life and gets cancer expects the same level of healthcare as you. you will never need as much insurance compensation as joe blow will, but you both are members of the same healthcare system and thus you get screwed over financially to pay for the mistakes of others. The amount of money spent on cancer patients excedes well over 100k because of how bloated the system is, and this greatly contributes to your high insurance.

People don't inherently deserve anything, and the fact that people seem to think that do has vastly contributed to the problems we see today

And no, as a person of middle class means, you get very little insurance deductions that the poor are otherwise eligible for.

We do however, live in a world of need for insurance, and thus it is a sad necessity. It wouldn't be so bloated financially if we had not let the peasantry make decisions on its enaction.

Realistically if i was in a situation without insurance, one would just have to accept it because such is life (life kinda sucks with leftist parasites around anyway). Insurance did not always exist and the world still worked relatively smoothly without it(think literally a century ago).

[exitspeed]

My younger self actually cared to have these debates online with strangers.

Good day.

[wanadrift]

So trump voters still wont own up to this man being 100% unfit to lead a horse to water let alone a country and the world.

[supersayianjim]

So trump voters still wont own up to this man being 100% unfit to lead a horse to water let alone a country and the world.



unfit? sorry you are a panzy, trump has done more positive than that asshole Obama, and seems like Hillary likes to use the blame game!

[supersayianjim]

My younger self actually cared to have these debates online with strangers.

Good day.

these liberal hipsters think they know it all. emasculated fucking pussies!

[RalliartRsX]

unfit? sorry you are a panzy, trump has done more positive than that asshole Obama, and seems like Hillary likes to use the blame game!

Can you list all the good things trump has done since being in office?

[supersayianjim]

Can you list all the good things trump has done since being in office?

start at 5:10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwBre0DdOwY

[RalliartRsX]

start at 5:10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwBre0DdOwY


That was 40 mins of Fox News blaming the media. There is not a single thing about what trump had done in the last 7 months. The focus for 40+ mins were on HRC.......The video went from blaming HRC, to bringing up Bill Clinton to hating on Obama. But has not a single thing about what trump has done the past 7 months.......

Again I will ask, please list out the great things trump has done the last 7 months?? An actual list, not a video attacking the media. I have asked this several times now, and I have still to hear anyone respond apart from "well, he has done great things! Just go google it".........If you cannot list it, then it probably didn't happen

In addition, this is the same Fox News that blamed the killing of Heather in Charlottesville on the Left......Yes. This is after a Neo Nazi was captured, and video tapped, doing the killing........

If I didnt know any better, I would think you were trolling........

[wanadrift]

If I didnt know any better, I would think you were trolling........

Sadly they aren't trolling. The cognitive dissonance is disturbing.

[supersayianjim]

That was 40 mins of Fox News blaming the media. There is not a single thing about what trump had done in the last 7 months. The focus for 40+ mins were on HRC.......The video went from blaming HRC, to bringing up Bill Clinton to hating on Obama. But has not a single thing about what trump has done the past 7 months.......

Again I will ask, please list out the great things trump has done the last 7 months?? An actual list, not a video attacking the media. I have asked this several times now, and I have still to hear anyone respond apart from "well, he has done great things! Just go google it".........If you cannot list it, then it probably didn't happen

In addition, this is the same Fox News that blamed the killing of Heather in Charlottesville on the Left......Yes. This is after a Neo Nazi was captured, and video tapped, doing the killing........

If I didnt know any better, I would think you were trolling........



I never said watch THE WHOLE VIDEO I made a time point for you to start watching at, when the list was done, it was up to you to tune off.

I'm sorry you are that lazy you need someone to spoon-feed you facts, there is a list of what he has gotten done in black and white. if you are that deaf you are selectively illiterate/can't comprehend then that is not my problem.

trump didn't tell that kid to run those assholes over. quite frankly they deserved it and had it coming, antifia is a violent group and deserves to get ran over. the klan doesn't stop democratic speakers from speaking and causes riots at conservative campuses.

what you KIDS seem to forget is the democrats are/were THE DIXIE CRATS AND GUESS WHO THE DIXIECRATS ARE/WERE? THE KKK

so if you can forgive the democrats for their history then you can forgive the Nazi's for their history? hmmm

[kashira kureijii]

what you KIDS seem to forget is the democrats are/were THE DIXIE CRATS AND GUESS WHO THE DIXIECRATS ARE/WERE? THE KKK

so if you can forgive the democrats for their history then you can forgive the Nazi's for their history? hmmm

Holy shit this. This was definitely a clever observation. It never occurred to them because they just want shit to complain about, they want tools and events with which to demonize the right

cheers bruh

[lewisfk]

^^WTF? I don't know what I missed in History 1301, but not all Democrats of that era were slave owners or part of the clan. Every Nazi from 1914 and till the present date is and will always be a Nazi!

[supersayianjim]

^^WTF? I don't know what I missed in History 1301, but not all Democrats of that era were slave owners or part of the clan. Every Nazi from 1914 and till the present date is and will always be a Nazi!

how can you draw this FAIR comparison?

[RalliartRsX]

I think I stopped engaging once supersayianjim and kashira kureijii embraced the fact that a neo Nazi killed someone and said she deserved it for acting on her first Amendment right. Note: the grounds which you folks say she deserved to be killed on is baseless as SHE WAS NEVER PART OF ANTIFA!!!! SHE WAS NEVER PART OF ANTIFA!!!! SHE WAS NEVER PART OF ANTIFA!!!!

So someone out, protesting as the first amendment right allows, the same right which allows Nazis to protest and be protected, is not allowed the same rights/freedom because......you folks are basing your judgment on NOT FACTUAL GROUDS!!! and basically saying they deserved to die for acting on the Fist Amendment...

Yeah, the USA is still racist as fuck. Full stop........

[SSJ-S15]

Holy shit this. This was definitely a clever observation. It never occurred to them because they just want shit to complain about, they want tools and events with which to demonize the right

cheers bruh

So you think it's clever to point out that the two parties have switched their view and what they support yet pretend like nothing has changed in over like 70 years?

dumbass lol

[SSJ-S15]

how can you draw this FAIR comparison?

Your assertion that the views of a political party are the same as they were over 50 years ago is laughable. You're reaching and you know it. Everyone knows where each party stands today in regards to race. The GOP is a bunch of old, white men who want to keep themselves in power by keeping minorities from voting, since they know themselves and their antiquated way of thinking are dying out.

[S14kouki805]

Man fuck Kashira, you're a truly a POS making comments about people deserving to be run over. Seriously WTF is wrong with you?

FUCK you and tRUMP

[Bushido]

hows that MAGA workin out for y'all?

[lewisfk]

what you KIDS seem to forget is the democrats are/were THE DIXIE CRATS AND GUESS WHO THE DIXIECRATS ARE/WERE? THE KKK

so if you can forgive the democrats for their history then you can forgive the Nazi's for their history? hmmm


EXPLAIN THIS SHIT! THEN READ MY POST AND THINK ABOUT IT! THEN TYPE!

[RalliartRsX]

hows that MAGA workin out for y'all?

I got a wall with a GTR logo and a MIne(s) cluster if you want to pay for it. No drift tax. Asking 1.2Billion. If you get Mexico to pay for half, I am only asking 1.5Billion.

Sounds like a good deal??

[S14kouki805]

what you KIDS seem to forget is the democrats are/were THE DIXIE CRATS AND GUESS WHO THE DIXIECRATS ARE/WERE? THE KKK

so if you can forgive the democrats for their history then you can forgive the Nazi's for their history? hmmm


EXPLAIN THIS SHIT! THEN READ MY POST AND THINK ABOUT IT! THEN TYPE!

Um maybe because parties change position over the years? Nazis stand for the same shit nearly 100yrs later, weak ass argument, and I'm no kid "believe me" as trump would say

[SSJ-S15]

what you KIDS seem to forget is the democrats are/were THE DIXIE CRATS AND GUESS WHO THE DIXIECRATS ARE/WERE? THE KKK

so if you can forgive the democrats for their history then you can forgive the Nazi's for their history? hmmm


EXPLAIN THIS SHIT! THEN READ MY POST AND THINK ABOUT IT! THEN TYPE!

Ok, let me spell this out for you....can't believe I have to explain this...

We're not forgiving the racist Dixiecrat shit heads from 70 years ago, the Democratic party has changed it's views drastically, and we have accepted this shift in thought within the party

The Nazis we're condemning now are the current ones living here in the U.S. STILL spewing forth their hate speech. We've forgiven the people of Germany for their sins from 70 years ago, but not the CURRENT neo Nazis of the alt right who are now emboldened under Trump.

Is this simple enough for you to comprehend?

[RalliartRsX]

Ok, let me spell this out for you....can't believe I have to explain this...

We're not forgiving the racist Dixiecrat shit heads from 70 years ago, the Democratic party has changed it's views drastically, and we have accepted this shift in thought within the party

The Nazis we're condemning now are the current ones living here in the U.S. STILL spewing forth their hate speech. We've forgiven the people of Germany for their sins from 70 years ago, but not the CURRENT neo Nazis of the alt right who are now emboldened under Trump.

Is this simple enough for you to comprehend?

Actually it's even simpler yet still; the folks that were part of the Dems shifted face a little less than a century ago to Republican party. That shift in view was simply all those conservatives and ULTRA conservatives (now known as the ALT Right) leaving the Democratic Party for the GOP. Those same people have those same view points regardless of party.

It's not necessarily a party issue, as evidenced by a few people who voted trump, who are not necessarily racist, misogynistic, etc. Just a racist neo Nazi misogynistic issue of a fair amount of the GOP leadership (people issue). Those same people like to divide and incite violence among their people, which keeps them in power.

Its akin to watching a fascist regime slowly playing out in the GOP. This regime is exactly how Hilter ran his campaign and came to power. Scary if you think about it....

[S14kouki805]

Damn where'd all the Dump supporters go?

[kashira kureijii]

Man fuck Kashira, you're a truly a POS making comments about people deserving to be run over. Seriously WTF is wrong with you?

FUCK you and tRUMP

I don't recall saying people deserve to be run over
but hey, be triggered on the internet about virtue signalling or whatever.

tuck frump! free healthcare for all! fuck all white people, they should pay for my abortions woo! how dare you not give a shit about some isolated incident in virginia,where a bunch of old white trash people gathered around a statue! you monster! some sperglord rammed some people after they dented his car, this will not stand! #changingtheworld #notmypresident #socialism #nomoreracism

In all seriousness I feel like my belief in the personal accountability of the populace for their morality and finance is not irrational.




Its akin to watching a fascist regime slowly playing out in the GOP.

one can only hope.

[deolio]

the ol', "tell people they're triggered and be sarcastic when you don't have any intelligent response," nice.

[kashira kureijii]

the ol', "tell people they're triggered and be sarcastic when you don't have any intelligent response," nice.



Can't be any less intelligent than"fuck you and fuck trump!" Or "trump is the reason I'm poor, corporations are to blame for my lack financial understanding and poor life decisions", "nazis are taking over, trump=hitler"

I legit/unironically have fascist tendencies, that wasn't sarcasm. Y'all just want some complaint outlet, that's why everyone else ain't responding. They respond and explain, and immediately are given the ol" "where's your god now? Trump didn't do such and such blah blah"


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[kashira kureijii]

my dad could kick your dads ass

[SSJ-S15]

my dad could kick your dads ass

You probably still live with your parents

[S14kouki805]

Kashira is a fucking troll...no legitimate argument coming from his diluted mind

[S14kouki805]

Oh and for the record Texas is not a nation...idiot

[kashira kureijii]

Kashira is a fucking troll...no legitimate argument coming from his diluted mind



*deluded


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[FaLKoN240]

*deluded


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Both work well IMO

[simmode1]

I'm not gonna lie... I only bumped this thread to see the dumpster fire...
https://media2.giphy.com/media/pUeXcg80cO8I8/200.webp#3-grid1

[lewisfk]

Logic for President 2020! Equality Campaign, don't run from run against!

[hatch4life]

hows that MAGA workin out for y'all?

Very good... just check the stocks

[RalliartRsX]

Very good... just check the stocks

I find this ironic as apart from the super wealthy that voted for trump, the majority of voters have not a single dime invested in stocks as you know, no jobs, pay too much in taxes, have many mouths to feed, etc..........

The very idea of the stock market is associated with the "swamp" from wallstreet that all the trump voters detest

Lastly, trump does not have a single thing to do with the last 8+ years of recovery under Obama......or wait. I guess we can thank trump for that too right??

[SSJ-S15]

I find this ironic as apart from the super wealthy that voted for trump, the majority of voters have not a single dime invested in stocks as you know, no jobs, pay too much in taxes, have many mouths to feed, etc..........

The very idea of the stock market is associated with the "swamp" from wallstreet that all the trump voters detest

Lastly, trump does not have a single thing to do with the last 8+ years of recovery under Obama......or wait. I guess we can thank trump for that too right??

The unemployment numbers were fake under Obama,but suddenly legit under Trump :rofl:

[supersayianjim]

The unemployment numbers were fake under Obama,but suddenly legit under Trump :rofl:

they were never called fake, they were just not as good as trumps numbers.

all Obama did was help the *snip* and continue to destroy the country with democratic b.s.

[SSJ-S15]

they were never called fake, they were just not as good as trumps numbers.

all Obama did was help the *snip* and continue to destroy the country with democratic b.s.

Delusional and homophobic I see

Here's 19 times he said the numbers were fake

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/10/19-times-trump-called-the-jobs-numbers-fake-before-they-made-him-look-good/?utm_term=.77cf0b6ecf4c

[S14kouki805]

they were never called fake, they were just not as good as trumps numbers.

all Obama did was help the *snip* and continue to destroy the country with democratic b.s.

"help the *snip*", wow...so much hate in one phrase

Yeah and president pussy grabber is so much better, with his mail order bride and incest obsession with his own daughter. Trump supporters...:picardfp::picardfp::picardfp::picard fp:

*Admin note* you only got off on a warning because of the quote

[RalliartRsX]

they were never called fake, they were just not as good as trumps numbers.

all Obama did was help the *snip* and continue to destroy the country with democratic b.s.

Yep.............

This post tells me all I need to know

[Phlip]

they were never called fake, they were just not as good as trumps numbers.

all Obama did was help the *snip* and continue to destroy the country with democratic b.s.

Forum rules still apply here, as much as I hate this section.
Enjoy that month you just got to cool off.

[RalliartRsX]

Forum rules still apply here, as much as I hate this section.
Enjoy that month you just got to cool off.

Isn't that his second or third time in the past few months he has gotten pink'd??

[simmode1]

Forum rules still apply here, as much as I hate this section.
Enjoy that month you just got to cool off.
Thank you for not allowing that to be normalized here.

Ppl like that are why I was nervous about visiting Missouri on business last week.

[Phlip]

Isn't that his second or third time in the past few months he has gotten pink'd??
I'm not sure, I don't have the notes on such things, lol.


Thank you for not allowing that to be normalized here.
Nope, not a chance. We a lot of things language-wise, but slurs and hatespeech won't be among it, not on my watch.

[Bluejayde]

Thank you for not allowing that to be normalized here.

Ppl like that are why I was nervous about visiting Missouri on business last week.

We're not all racist assholes, but it is a serious problem here. Lot's of "I'm not racist, but..."

[simmode1]

We're not all racist assholes, but it is a serious problem here. Lot's of "I'm not racist, but..."
Yeah, I was kinda on edge the whole time I was there. Especially since the NAACP recently put Missouri on its travel advisory list for POC, which was previously reserved only for international destinations. Sure, I only saw like 3 black ppl the whole time I was there, but folks were polite and the trip was without incident for the most part.

[gbaby2089]

Yeah, I was kinda on edge the whole time I was there. Especially since the NAACP recently put Missouri on its travel advisory list for POC, which was previously reserved only for international destinations. Sure, I only saw like 3 black ppl the whole time I was there, but folks were polite and the trip was without incident for the most part.

I don't envy POC anywhere in middle America. With Herr Cheeto proclaiming rural middle america "real america," those shitheads are emboldened in their vileness.

[Phlip]

I don't envy POC anywhere in middle America. With Herr Cheeto proclaiming rural middle america "real america," those shitheads are emboldened in their vileness.
The south isn't much better. I don't think I have heard the N word used so freely without mind on mixed company outside of a rap album in my 38 years compared to the last 15 or so months.
Fuckers have gotten WILD with that shit.

[gbaby2089]

The south isn't much better. I don't think I have heard the N word used so freely without mind on mixed company outside of a rap album in my 38 years compared to the last 15 or so months.
Fuckers have gotten WILD with that shit.

So you're saying look at this map and avoid one of the two colors?

https://www.270towin.com/presidential_map_new/maps/bRgO6.png

[Phlip]

^^^ That is the shitty part about it. All that red has been newly emboldened and the minefield has only gotten worse.

[simmode1]

The south isn't much better. I don't think I have heard the N word used so freely without mind on mixed company outside of a rap album in my 38 years compared to the last 15 or so months.
Fuckers have gotten WILD with that shit.
And can I say... this is also a reason I'll always choose Zilvia over the FB S-Chassis boards. They give ZERO fucks about bigotry, hate speech and racial slurs. Even when you tag mods/admins who are people of color, nothing gets done. Total degenerate cesspool.

[exitspeed]

Can't we all just get along?

No, seriously. Fuck all the hate and negativity. On both sides. It's exhausting.

[S14kouki805]

Thank you Phlip, I was wondering about that, I thought that was cause for a ban or timeout.

[simmode1]

Can't we all just get along?

No, seriously. Fuck all the hate and negativity. On both sides. It's exhausting.
Oh boy. Believe me, POC & LBGTQ groups would love to all just get along, for the most part. But it's hard when you feel like you're constantly under attack. Take the repeal of the DACA program for example. The orange one wants to deport 800k ppl who were brought here as children and who've never known another home besides the US. Kinda hard to stay optimistic & positive when you're the one getting beat over the head. Everyday, it's something new.

[Phlip]

Oh boy. Believe me, POC & LBGTQ groups would love to all just get along, for the most part. But it's hard when you feel like you're constantly under attack. Take the repeal of the DACA program for example. The orange one wants to deport 800k ppl who were brought here as children and who've never known another home besides the US. Kinda hard to stay optimistic & positive when you're the one getting beat over the head. Everyday, it's something new.

The economic impact of just ending DACA will be catafuckingstrophic.
These are legally employed people who COMPETED for and got jobs for which they're ostensibly paying taxes.
They're students who made their way into universities and ALL pay out-of-state tuition and room/board.
They pay fair market rates for housing, they buy things and contribute to the economy.
Pick up 800k people at one time and remove them ALL from gainful contribution to the American dream and watch as shit goes all the way haywire.
Google searches have place estimates (https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/05/daca-deportations-could-cost-us-economy-more-than-400-billion.html) at between 200 and 400 billion.

You know what? I'm done with this thread until someone else fucks up.

[gbaby2089]

Oh boy. Believe me, POC & LBGTQ groups would love to all just get along, for the most part. But it's hard when you feel like you're constantly under attack. Take the repeal of the DACA program for example. The orange one wants to deport 800k ppl who were brought here as children and who've never known another home besides the US. Kinda hard to stay optimistic & positive when you're the one getting beat over the head. Everyday, it's something new.

It is unfortunate how many white folks think POC & LBGTQ folks wanting equality means they want the white straight man brought down.

[simmode1]

It is unfortunate how many white folks think POC & LBGTQ folks wanting equality means they want the white straight man brought down.
I watched an interview on this topic recently. Morbidly interesting.
Basically, they're scared they'll become the minorities and the shoe will be on the other foot then.
fFD7eZJ5Tyo

[kashira kureijii]

I watched an interview on this topic recently. Morbidly interesting.
Basically, they're scared they'll become the minorities and the shoe will be on the other foot then.
fFD7eZJ5Tyo


There will be no shoe because America will be a third world country. Western civilization literally stole only gunpowder, pretty much 90% of all inventions trace their origin from the west. Who stole from who? If a bunch of white people moved to Asia and started out -populating the asians and acting like they owned the place, the asians would very well be pissed, they wouldn't just roll over and take their dispossession like your implying. I'm fine with the idea of America as a cosmopolitan settler nation, because it is, but the thing is, not even Europe will be a white 50 years from now . It's a shame that western civilization, after surviving multiple invasions from like every other civilization, after surviving disease and infighting, is now willingly letting itself be turned to shit under the guise of "tolerance". It's not necessarily a "racial" issue, but a civilizational one. Without western civilization man will never reach the stars, he will fade into mediocrity forever until the human race dies out. It doesn't really matter if people are white or not, it very much matters how much you believe in the western individualism.
Every non western country is pretty much shit, and is isn't because white people are oppressing them. Before white people showed up in Africa it was an undeveloped shithole full of tribal violence, and today when white people have left it still is a shithole full of tribal violence. Mexico is in a state of incompetent corruption at any given time, that's why so many immigrants came here. China is a communist oppressive oligarchy, and its entire history is it getting cucked by a bunch of other Asian nations.

You can design gmo foods to feed Africa, industrial societies to increase the standard of living in the whole world, you can share your technology with africa,the Middle East , and Asia and it still won't stop you people from inventing perceived wrongs. "We Wuz kangz until whitey showed up", ya sure, all history belongs to you guys, you aren't compensating for your cultures lack of achievement at all.......

This Asian guy doesn't know shit about anything. China is like 99% Asian, it has what is basically an ethnostate. The same with most of Africa. It's bullshit that he says "we don't hold on to things like genetics as much" because they very much do. " I don't care about facts as much", ya no shit? He immediately changes the subject when the guy starts to talk about science and facts, why is that you think? Maybe they would bring shame to minorities and he doesn't want to admit to that shame?
According to the CDC blacks have a std rate 6x higher than whites, while hispanics Have an std rate 3x higher than whites ( abstinence is free by the way). Hispanics and blacks make up most of welfare recipients according to statistics. Blacks make up 13% of the population yet commit more than half of all violent crime.

Man is the only thing that can free himself from moral degeneracy and poverty, nothing else. There's no government program or ethnic majority that will do that for you. Tolerating weakness will get man nowhere

Asians aren't this underpriveledged class at all, the average Asian makes more than the average white in America . They just want to act like they aren't white so they can put forward their own agenda.

You all obviously very much care about race, because you celebrate the ethnic decay of whites in America and Europe . When there is no whites, you"ll do the same thing to Asia .

Y"all are the reason we will never conquer the universe, all you care about is senseless materialism and degeneracy. Fuck this forum. Feel free to ban me or whatever


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[SSJ-S15]

There will be no shoe because America will be a third world country. Western civilization literally stole only gunpowder, pretty much 90% of all inventions trace their origin from the west. Who stole from who? If a bunch of white people moved to Asia and started out -populating the asians and acting like they owned the place, the asians would very well be pissed, they wouldn't just roll over and take their dispossession like your implying. I'm fine with the idea of America as a cosmopolitan settler nation, because it is, but the thing is, not even Europe will be a white 50 years from now . It's a shame that western civilization, after surviving multiple invasions from like every other civilization, after surviving disease and infighting, is now willingly letting itself be turned to shit under the guise of "tolerance". It's not necessarily a "racial" issue, but a civilizational one. Without western civilization man will never reach the stars, he will fade into mediocrity forever until the human race dies out. It doesn't really matter if people are white or not, it very much matters how much you believe in the western individualism.
Every non western country is pretty much shit, and is isn't because white people are oppressing them. Before white people showed up in Africa it was an undeveloped shithole full of tribal violence, and today when white people have left it still is a shithole full of tribal violence. Mexico is in a state of incompetent corruption at any given time, that's why so many immigrants came here. China is a communist oppressive oligarchy, and its entire history is it getting cucked by a bunch of other Asian nations.

You can design gmo foods to feed Africa, industrial societies to increase the standard of living in the whole world, you can share your technology with africa,the Middle East , and Asia and it still won't stop you people from inventing perceived wrongs. "We Wuz kangz until whitey showed up", ya sure, all history belongs to you guys, you aren't compensating for your cultures lack of achievement at all.......

This Asian guy doesn't know shit about anything. China is like 99% Asian, it has what is basically an ethnostate. The same with most of Africa. It's bullshit that he says "we don't hold on to things like genetics as much" because they very much do. " I don't care about facts as much", ya no shit? He immediately changes the subject when the guy starts to talk about science and facts, why is that you think? Maybe they would bring shame to minorities and he doesn't want to admit to that shame?
According to the CDC blacks have a std rate 6x higher than whites, while hispanics Have an std rate 3x higher than whites ( abstinence is free by the way). Hispanics and blacks make up most of welfare recipients according to statistics. Blacks make up 13% of the population yet commit more than half of all violent crime.

Man is the only thing that can free himself from moral degeneracy and poverty, nothing else. There's no government program or ethnic majority that will do that for you. Tolerating weakness will get man nowhere

Asians aren't this underpriveledged class at all, the average Asian makes more than the average white in America . They just want to act like they aren't white so they can put forward their own agenda.

You all obviously very much care about race, because you celebrate the ethnic decay of whites in America and Europe . When there is no whites, you"ll do the same thing to Asia .

Y"all are the reason we will never conquer the universe, all you care about is senseless materialism and degeneracy. Fuck this forum. Feel free to ban me or whatever


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:fawk2::mrmeph:

[S14kouki805]

Found a picture of Kashira...

[RalliartRsX]

There will be no shoe because America will be a third world country. Western civilization literally stole only gunpowder, pretty much 90% of all inventions trace their origin from the west. Who stole from who? If a bunch of white people moved to Asia and started out -populating the asians and acting like they owned the place, the asians would very well be pissed, they wouldn't just roll over and take their dispossession like your implying. I'm fine with the idea of America as a cosmopolitan settler nation, because it is, but the thing is, not even Europe will be a white 50 years from now . It's a shame that western civilization, after surviving multiple invasions from like every other civilization, after surviving disease and infighting, is now willingly letting itself be turned to shit under the guise of "tolerance". It's not necessarily a "racial" issue, but a civilizational one. Without western civilization man will never reach the stars, he will fade into mediocrity forever until the human race dies out. It doesn't really matter if people are white or not, it very much matters how much you believe in the western individualism.
Every non western country is pretty much shit, and is isn't because white people are oppressing them. Before white people showed up in Africa it was an undeveloped shithole full of tribal violence, and today when white people have left it still is a shithole full of tribal violence. Mexico is in a state of incompetent corruption at any given time, that's why so many immigrants came here. China is a communist oppressive oligarchy, and its entire history is it getting cucked by a bunch of other Asian nations.

You can design gmo foods to feed Africa, industrial societies to increase the standard of living in the whole world, you can share your technology with africa,the Middle East , and Asia and it still won't stop you people from inventing perceived wrongs. "We Wuz kangz until whitey showed up", ya sure, all history belongs to you guys, you aren't compensating for your cultures lack of achievement at all.......

This Asian guy doesn't know shit about anything. China is like 99% Asian, it has what is basically an ethnostate. The same with most of Africa. It's bullshit that he says "we don't hold on to things like genetics as much" because they very much do. " I don't care about facts as much", ya no shit? He immediately changes the subject when the guy starts to talk about science and facts, why is that you think? Maybe they would bring shame to minorities and he doesn't want to admit to that shame?
According to the CDC blacks have a std rate 6x higher than whites, while hispanics Have an std rate 3x higher than whites ( abstinence is free by the way). Hispanics and blacks make up most of welfare recipients according to statistics. Blacks make up 13% of the population yet commit more than half of all violent crime.

Man is the only thing that can free himself from moral degeneracy and poverty, nothing else. There's no government program or ethnic majority that will do that for you. Tolerating weakness will get man nowhere

Asians aren't this underpriveledged class at all, the average Asian makes more than the average white in America . They just want to act like they aren't white so they can put forward their own agenda.

You all obviously very much care about race, because you celebrate the ethnic decay of whites in America and Europe . When there is no whites, you"ll do the same thing to Asia .

Y"all are the reason we will never conquer the universe, all you care about is senseless materialism and degeneracy. Fuck this forum. Feel free to ban me or whatever


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............Seems like we touched a nerve.

1) Please cite where the west came up with 90% of the inventions.
2) Please legitimately cite why every non western country is "shit"
3) White people showed up in African = Apartheid. Akin to Hitler cleansing 7+ million Jews
4) Man is not the only thing than can free himself. If that were the case, we would not have poverty (just to name one of 10,000 things associated with segregation for instance)
5) ........No sense in continuing the discussion as it is very evident you lack a grasp of reality, history, and sympathy for other races apart from "whites"

No need to continue this discussion as it is very clear your stance is borderline Facist.

I pose this question to you; if your missile 240 breaks down on the highway, would you refuse the help of a non white person because "supremacy?"?

[silverarrow27]

The usual I don't like your conservative drivel so you're a Nazi or racist...same as everywhere else online nowadays it seems. Everyone can't have their own opinion without being called a Trumptard, Snowflake, Libtard, Nazi, Fascist, etc...

[RalliartRsX]

The usual I don't like your conservative drivel so you're a Nazi or racist...same as everywhere else online nowadays it seems. Everyone can't have their own opinion without being called a Trumptard, Snowflake, Libtard, Nazi, Fascist, etc...

If it quacks like a duck.....

[exitspeed]

I'm officially done reading this thread. This is mostly the reason I got off Facebook. I'll be in the Future RWD thread if anyone needs me.

[feito]

Isn't calling someone a neo-nazi just as bad a calling someone the "G" or the "F" or the "N" word?
Anyway... I think this thread could put the forum at risk, or its traffic at least. I can come in here and disagree with a lot of your opinions and just disregard them for the rest of the forum, but I know that's not the case for everyone in here.
I saw someone calling somebody else a fascist or racist or something like that on his FS thread because of something that was said on this one.
Remember this is a car forum, dont let stuff from this thread spill onto others.

[silverarrow27]

If it quacks like a duck.....

If it quacks like a duck....it is RalliartRsX :fawkd::keke::mrmeph:

[lewisfk]

There is only one race, the human race! There are different ethnicitiesl which people believe one is superior to the others, but how can you be a person of GOD with those views. Stephen Colbert says it best, Google him!

[Future240]

Isn't calling someone a neo-nazi just as bad a calling someone the "G" or the "F" or the "N" word?
Anyway... I think this thread could put the forum at risk, or its traffic at least. I can come in here and disagree with a lot of your opinions and just disregard them for the rest of the forum, but I know that's not the case for everyone in here.
I saw someone calling somebody else a fascist or racist or something like that on his FS thread because of something that was said on this one.
Remember this is a car forum, dont let stuff from this thread spill onto others.

No, a racial/sexual slur is not the same thing as a political insult.