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TBreu007 · 06-13-2003, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dousan36
you said:

i NEVER lost shock/strut stroke travel (like you did w/ the GC) w/ the double height adjustable setup.

but wait, you said you already knew what that mean, why tell me your fist explanation then? shock travel NEVER changed. suspension travel did, but i already told you i corrected any problem w/ interference w/ my car, as well as fender clearance. also the rest of the suspension was set up as well to deal w/ the height change.

My bad, I slipped on a typo...I typed GC down below...I meant to type CG. My struts were double height adjustable as well, but that doesn't matter when other things are screwed up. You could have the best struts in the world with them setup perfectly and if your roll centers are off, the car will feel like crap. Look at your suspension, with the car being so low, the suspension is at wacky angles and moves on planes that is less than condusive to proper function. You said your suspension was set up to counteract those changes. The only way to do that is to change stock mounting points. I SERIOUSLY doubt you have put that kind of time and money into that. Please read some books on the subject like Tune to Win or Race Car Engineering and Mechanics. You'll learn a lot and will look back on what you have posted and be embarassed.

You say you have some spherical parts...I have full sphericals in all moving parts in my suspension as well as full racing struts and a built KA race motor. My 240 is a fully stripped and roll caged race car that isn't even street legal...what does that mean...nothing. I guarantee my car is prepped far more than yours for racing, and I did everything myself, so don't try to pull that one on me.

Dousan_PG · 06-13-2003, 11:25 PM

hey that's great for you! keep up the hard work!

boro240 · 06-14-2003, 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TBreu007
You say you have some spherical parts...I have full sphericals in all moving parts in my suspension as well as full racing struts and a built KA race motor. My 240 is a fully stripped and roll caged race car that isn't even street legal...what does that mean...nothing. I guarantee my car is prepped far more than yours for racing, and I did everything myself, so don't try to pull that one on me.

lol, this turned into a "HEY LOOK HOW BIG MY PENIS IS!!!1" thread.

240racer · 06-14-2003, 03:26 PM

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Please read some books on the subject like Tune to Win or Race Car Engineering and Mechanics.

I have read those books, and you still sound like an idiot. shooting off your mouth like that will make everybody hate you. If you know so much and have the experience of doing all that stuff to your car, then most people would be interested in hearing about it. However, this is the wrong thread for that.

TBreu007 · 06-14-2003, 04:52 PM

I didn't start the **** talking, but I must admit, it did get out of hand. Guess I was bored yesterday.

240 2NR · 06-15-2003, 12:30 AM

While some good point on suspension tunin are being brought up, please remember that this is (er...was) a jack thread.

Take it somewhere else.

As for Dousan's point about jack clearance, I have a similar problem due to the front lip on my 93. While not that low (whiteline works kit ~1.5" drop) the jack has issues with clearance. The saddle clears fine, but somewhere in the next 16" as the jack gets taller that I begin having issues. The front tires on a set of 2x6's seems to cure the problem though. Side panels and the back are easy, but front head on there's not enough room to jack the jack in position to lift anything but soft metal panels that contain oil.

thx247 · 07-16-2003, 01:15 AM

the harbor freight jack is basically worthless when it comes to litfting your 240. Even at stock height, the jack hits the front lip when you try to stuff it under the car, you have to put the car on boards or if its lowered many boards to get the jack under it.

You can lift hondas with it quite easily, since their jack point is very close to the front of the car. Otherwise harbor freight is good for lifting trannies while under the car, um...lifting the rear of the 240, dats bout it. Price is right I guess.

Halz · 07-18-2003, 05:11 PM

Wow! Who would have thought that such a discussion could have taken place in a thread about jacks.. ('thread jacks', maybe..)

The HF aluminum jack is sitting in my garage seeing little use.. Where it can get under the car (and by no means is the car super-low; 14.75" front, 13.25" rear), it can't lift high enough to get a jackstand under the frame rails.
Its an expensive, light jack that can pretty much only lift the car up on its side under the frame rails, depending on the anti-roll bars to pick up the wheels so they can be taken off.

..and about the rest of the discussion about 'jacks', TBreu007 looks to be one of the few people on this board that knows what they're talking about; his side of the argument was productive and was able to back up claims, citing published material..

RedMist · 07-20-2003, 01:32 PM

Just a quick observation after reading through this post….
OT from jacks but it seems it wasn't a jack thread for long anyway.

TBreu007 and dousan36 compete in very different types of motorsport, requiring very different setups. TBreu needs some travel and roll to maintain grip through corners. Dousan can run a super stiff setup because it's acceptable to have the rear flick out around every corner. Both seem to have considerable experience, just on different levels. So, IMO, comparing apples and oranges...

AKADriver · 07-20-2003, 06:23 PM

Well said, RedMist, and welcome to Zilvia

*sykikchimp* · 07-21-2003, 07:53 AM

thx247 - thats why I use mine at the track, and only occasionally around the house. I use it to change tires, and thats about it. I have no trouble getting stands under it, but I use the smaller 3 ton stands.

I really want to get one of the AC jacks for around the garage, they are SUPER nice.. but too heavy to take to the track.

06-13-2003, 11:25 PM	#32
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 42 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	hey that's great for you! keep up the hard work! __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

06-15-2003, 12:30 AM	#36
240 2NR Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Denver Posts: 1,131 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	While some good point on suspension tunin are being brought up, please remember that this is (er...was) a jack thread. Take it somewhere else. As for Dousan's point about jack clearance, I have a similar problem due to the front lip on my 93. While not that low (whiteline works kit ~1.5" drop) the jack has issues with clearance. The saddle clears fine, but somewhere in the next 16" as the jack gets taller that I begin having issues. The front tires on a set of 2x6's seems to cure the problem though. Side panels and the back are easy, but front head on there's not enough room to jack the jack in position to lift anything but soft metal panels that contain oil. __________________ Steve 93 240sx FB currently very clean and for sale

07-20-2003, 01:32 PM	#39
RedMist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: . Posts: 9 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Just a quick observation after reading through this post…. OT from jacks but it seems it wasn't a jack thread for long anyway. TBreu007 and dousan36 compete in very different types of motorsport, requiring very different setups. TBreu needs some travel and roll to maintain grip through corners. Dousan can run a super stiff setup because it's acceptable to have the rear flick out around every corner. Both seem to have considerable experience, just on different levels. So, IMO, comparing apples and oranges... __________________ The mist has you...

07-21-2003, 07:53 AM	#41
sykikchimp WOW addicted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the moon Age: 40 Posts: 6,518 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thx247 - thats why I use mine at the track, and only occasionally around the house. I use it to change tires, and thats about it. I have no trouble getting stands under it, but I use the smaller 3 ton stands. I really want to get one of the AC jacks for around the garage, they are SUPER nice.. but too heavy to take to the track. __________________

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06-14-2003, 04:52 PM	#35
TBreu007 Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son... Age: 44 Posts: 95 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I didn't start the **** talking, but I must admit, it did get out of hand. Guess I was bored yesterday.

07-16-2003, 01:15 AM	#37
thx247 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: bay area Posts: 1,455 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	the harbor freight jack is basically worthless when it comes to litfting your 240. Even at stock height, the jack hits the front lip when you try to stuff it under the car, you have to put the car on boards or if its lowered many boards to get the jack under it. You can lift hondas with it quite easily, since their jack point is very close to the front of the car. Otherwise harbor freight is good for lifting trannies while under the car, um...lifting the rear of the 240, dats bout it. Price is right I guess.

07-18-2003, 05:11 PM	#38
Halz BANNED Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: bay area Age: 38 Posts: 214 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Wow! Who would have thought that such a discussion could have taken place in a thread about jacks.. ('thread jacks', maybe..) The HF aluminum jack is sitting in my garage seeing little use.. Where it can get under the car (and by no means is the car super-low; 14.75" front, 13.25" rear), it can't lift high enough to get a jackstand under the frame rails. Its an expensive, light jack that can pretty much only lift the car up on its side under the frame rails, depending on the anti-roll bars to pick up the wheels so they can be taken off. ..and about the rest of the discussion about 'jacks', TBreu007 looks to be one of the few people on this board that knows what they're talking about; his side of the argument was productive and was able to back up claims, citing published material..

07-20-2003, 06:23 PM	#40
AKADriver Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 39 Posts: 3,112 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well said, RedMist, and welcome to Zilvia