Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) Thread

[exitspeed]

Talk about relevant updates and how you and/or your family is holding up.

Let’s keep it as non-political as we can. However we can still say something like gov approves funds for small businesses. Or relevant updates that have to do with the government, lets just not make this a thread about red vs blue, racism, etc.


Registered for absentee voting for the remainder of 2020.

Day 3 of being home with the kids (6,7,9 and one of the way) and doing virtual learning...and it?s really tough. Already. Hoping for some warmer temps so we can spend some more time outdoors.

Sounds like there will be some financial support coming within the next 2 weeks. $1000/ adult is what I heard. I guess it?s better than nothing.

My last photo shoot just got canceled so I officially have no money coming in. We?ve always loved off of one persons income. So we?re technically fine, but I won?t be adding to my whiskey collection any time soon.

[dbeiler]

AHEM

LOUD NOISES A place for political mudslinging, Pro/Anti legalization, gay marriage debate, Gun control rants, etc. If it's political, controversial, or hotly debated, it goes here. No regular Off-Topic stuff allowed

[afishysilvia]

I think this whole quarantine is absolutely silly. The virus is spreading fast, but was it necessary to go to this extent? So sad to see already so many small businesses suffer and more likely go out of business after this.

Me being a government worker, they’ll never send us home unless a bomb drops. I mean I’m thankful, but I wouldn't have minded a week paid off like some are getting.

These are strange time, never seen anything like this ever.

[exitspeed]

AHEM

LOUD NOISES A place for political mudslinging, Pro/Anti legalization, gay marriage debate, Gun control rants, etc. If it's political, controversial, or hotly debated, it goes here. No regular Off-Topic stuff allowed

There?s still a lot about this that is controversial and hotly debated. And we can have those conversations, I believe, without making it all political.

[RalliartRsX]

So from what I am seeing around my general area, folks which operated at close margins to begin with (Improv where Chapelle and several other famous comedians have performed over the years, various bars, restaurants, etc) have had to lay off up to 50% of their workforce :(

Wife and I are floating telework schedules because daycare is closed for the foreseeable future.

We are luckily in a decent position, but generally ALOT of people are not and it's very sad. Our local municipality has already signed off on an emergency fund to pay for those who have lost their jobs (I need to sift through the details and requirements) in addition to not evicting people if they are unable to pay next months rent (also need to look through the details).

This is only a tip of the iceberg in terms of economic impact. We won't see the true effects until atleast 1-2 months down the line

Stock Markets have already tripped several breakers. And on track for ANOTHER record loss. 2019 gains are gone. 2018 gains have just about evaporated. And 2017 gains are not far behind.

We are in uncharted territory :(

[cherryhatch]

Here in Spokane pretty much all stores are closed, only take out or delivery is an option for food. Most grocery stores supplies are wiped out, and ammo is sold out too.

[collegekid]

it's crazy out here. Local government shut down all non essential businesses, pretty much all large gatherings / events have been cancelled.

My father's business has never been closed in the past 25ish years and this is the first time.

I work in an "essential" business so we have to stay open. We are mentally keeping track of who is coughing and how often lol. The good thing is that we are a small company with a big building so people are at least 20 feet away from each other at all times.

I'm really pissed off and I worry for my parents and grandparents. I'm at the point where I am seriously considering buying a tent and requesting to work from home.

[RalliartRsX]

So what I do not get during all this is the employers forcing workers in a (in some cases) life or death situation.

If I am over 60 fuck that nonsense. Well, that or it seems an early retirement is in order.....which is not of my doing and my employer did shit to mitigate this.

So economic loss and loss of workforce confidence. Not good.

I am not necessarily concerned about our immediate well being. But, from what I understand, the ripple effects is what is scary. 2/3 of the hospital beds are current occupied. It will not take much for us to enter an Italy situation; hospitals overwhelmed and turning away folks with non immediate (but potential) life threatening issues. However, the flip side is, docs working 100 hr work weeks and also contracting the virus. Once they go, who the hell is going to take care of us?? THAT is a legitimate real ripple effect that ha a MUCH larger impact than the virus itself.

People need to stop comparing to flu. The flu has an actual vaccine and still causes deaths and for all intents and purposes, there are methods to contain. Not so with Corvid-19 :(

[tb13]

The automotive industry was showing no signs of slowing until the last few days, apparently some main distributors for dealers are closing down for few weeks at this point. Without the distributors parts departments aren't going to receive special order or stock items, basically bringing service departments and wholesale to a stop.

What I do day to day heavily relies on having a stock order each day, I manage a multi-million dollar Amazon seller account and without the stock, I cannot fulfill orders. Even with the current state of things my sales are high and consistent. If our supplier does close down, I'm going to either have to sell all of our current stock and walk away for a week or opt to put the account on "Vacation" to ensure we still have stock for any customers walking in/the service department. Either way my pay will be taking a significant hit and its going to be a mess getting everything back up and running.

All it seems we can do is take things on a daily basis and keep on keeping on. I wouldn't mind a week or so off even if its un-paid, but I know there are others I work with who cannot take that pay hit from not working.

[Corbic]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200318/9aa8d01e90a6df41fc2e84d74ccf2927.jpg

[S14rebuild]

In the auto/insurance repair business... so far no impact on work. Been told by the owners "if theres work in the shop you will be working". Got 2 kids, school is closed for atleast a month. There old enough to stay home by themselves. My wife is a manager for a medical center. Mostly older patients. 55 and up. They are not seeing anyone at her facality. Just making well-fare calls and help direct people in the right direction.

Besides from that i see noone taking this serious at all. State mandatory closings of business and restaurants, but the general public acts like nothing is happening


FLORIDA.....

[cherryhatch]

I just heard that FORD, GM, Chrysler and Honda are all temporarily closing factories in the US now... getting parts is going to start getting interesting

[S14rebuild]

I just heard that FORD, GM, Chrysler and Honda are all temporarily closing factories in the US now... getting parts is going to start getting interesting


Worried about parts when people are dyning?

[RalliartRsX]

Point taken. I can also see the flip side along the lines of warranty repairs, assembly lines and just basic maintenance through dealer networks to keep cars and warranty repairs up to date.

[Phlip]

Who else is working from home and won't miss a paycheck and is planning to invest their government check(s) into paying off non-mortgage debt and investing in the newly cheapening stock market?

[Corbic]

Who else is working from home and won't miss a paycheck and is planning to invest their government check(s) into paying off non-mortgage debt and investing in the newly cheapening stock market?You are welcome

[lewisfk]

Who else is working from home and won't miss a paycheck and is planning to invest their government check(s) into paying off non-mortgage debt and investing in the newly cheapening stock market?

I'm in the military so I will not lose that source of revenue, but my part-time job working at Golds Gym as a personal trainer laid me off. They have no game plan going forward and told me to apply for unemployment. I believe I don't qualify because it's a part-time job, but that's how I'm paying off our debt from my wife's breast cancer. I'm also stuck paying my daughter's car payment because she was laid off from the restaurant she works. This sucks all away around, and I might get deployed with less than 8 months before retirement.

[afishysilvia]

California going on lockdown now...sheesh.

[Corbic]

California going on lockdown now...sheesh.Talk about bullshit over reaction designed to take away our constitutional rights and crash the economy for political gain.

My country of 500k people has... Two, yes, two Corona positive people with minimal symptoms who are self quarantined.

They have now issued a travel ban, you can only be out to get food, go to whatever work is still open or seek medical attention.

Meanwhile, we had two shooting murders this week. One Sunday morning the other Monday night. Both urban youth gang violence.


So Fucking stupid.

[midnight zenki]

Talk about bullshit over reaction designed to take away our constitutional rights and crash the economy for political gain.

My country of 500k people has... Two, yes, two Corona positive people with minimal symptoms who are self quarantined.

They have now issued a travel ban, you can only be out to get food, go to whatever work is still open or seek medical attention.

Meanwhile, we had two shooting murders this week. One Sunday morning the other Monday night. Both urban youth gang violence.


So Fucking stupid.

This is all about flattening the curve and preventing overrun of the hospitals. How many negative pressure rooms and ventilators are in your counties hospitals? If 1% of your counties population required critical care could the hospitals handle that? What happens to the other people having strokes, heart attacks, etc.

[carcrazee]

so far, toyota is still up and running, i heard that the shut the plant down but i cant confirm it... but the boss decided to self quarantine so why cant we? i have a 1 year old daughter that id prefer to stay healthy i cant be taking this virus home from working on gross cars all day


OHIO

[ronmcdon]

I'm thankful my work in mental health allows me to work from home in los angeles. This week I'm working and grateful only getting paid less about a third of my income. It's actually kinda nice not to work 80 hours a week and do 50-something.

lot of friends in the restaurant industry having it real rough with no work. People I know in health care are going through a lot of hardship with much longer hours. really hope we don't end up like Italy. Also very scary to see how this is going to impact the economy.

[Corbic]

This is all about flattening the curve and preventing overrun of the hospitals. How many negative pressure rooms and ventilators are in your counties hospitals? If 1% of your counties population required critical care could the hospitals handle that? What happens to the other people having strokes, heart attacks, etc.Who gives a crap.

So to "save" a thousand lives we are going to destroy everyone financially? Millions of people out of work, people will be losing their homes, business crippled, retirements lost... Etc! For what!?? To keep gramps alive another 6 months so he can die of influenza, H1N1 or a staff infection instead?

This will destroy the middle class.

The banks and huge businesses (Walmart, Apple, Amazon) will profit while small brink and mortar shops can't make rent.

Big chain fast food will survive with drive thru's, delivery and carry outs... But the local restaurants, dinners and bars will suffer.

Wealthy bankers can telecommute while auto workers, skilled trades and waiters go on unemployment.

Then we'll get a $1k stimulus check and a $100B bank bailout. $1k is two weeks pay so those McDonald's wankers can buy their legal pot and a PS5. I could wipe my ass with it.

It won't cover the fact mortgage rates shot up 2pts despite the fed being at 0%, it won't cover the $90k nose dive my 401k took, the 5% raise I just lost or whatever the fuck happens to my home's value.

But hey! We kept the hospitals opened and prolonged a few people's lives by another year or two.

[RalliartRsX]

Corbic presents a good point in regards to the balancing act and which is why, as I said before, we will not see the full effect until months down the line

As mentioned unemployment in just one county is up some 1000% (or whatever the math is to go from 6500 to 78,000 over the course of a week).

As mentioned, the middle/lower class won't be able to weather this as a fair share (be it by their own or economic doing) live paycheck to paycheck.

Makes you wonder just how strong the economy really is......or better yet, for WHO.... :(

[midnight zenki]

Who gives a crap.

So to "save" a thousand lives we are going to destroy everyone financially? Millions of people out of work, people will be losing their homes, business crippled, retirements lost... Etc! For what!?? To keep gramps alive another 6 months so he can die of influenza, H1N1 or a staff infection instead?

This will destroy the middle class.

The banks and huge businesses (Walmart, Apple, Amazon) will profit while small brink and mortar shops can't make rent.

Big chain fast food will survive with drive thru's, delivery and carry outs... But the local restaurants, dinners and bars will suffer.

Wealthy bankers can telecommute while auto workers, skilled trades and waiters go on unemployment.

Then we'll get a $1k stimulus check and a $100B bank bailout. $1k is two weeks pay so those McDonald's wankers can buy their legal pot and a PS5. I could wipe my ass with it.

It won't cover the fact mortgage rates shot up 2pts despite the fed being at 0%, it won't cover the $90k nose dive my 401k took, the 5% raise I just lost or whatever the fuck happens to my home's value.

But hey! We kept the hospitals opened and prolonged a few people's lives by another year or two.

You have a great point about the middle class. People should probably stop voting for the party that continues to hollow out all support for them while they swallow the bullshit lies about draining the swamp and throwing up distractions such as immigration.

I also agree with you that corporate welfare is not the answer and will squander our tax dollars. No company deserves a bailout, they should be forced to borrow with all the low interest loans that are being touted for everyone else.

This virus isn’t just killing or hospitalizing “grandpa”, it has and will continue to affect and kill younger demographics. This article sites the CDC directly https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/19/younger-adults-are-large-percentage-coronavirus-hospitalizations-united-states-according-new-cdc-data/%3foutputType=amp

I understand your frustration and anger but it’s not as simple as your previous post alludes to.

[Corbic]

You have a great point about the middle class. People should probably stop voting for the party that continues to hollow out all support for them while they swallow the bullshit lies about draining the swamp and throwing up distractions such as immigration.

The Democrats? I've watched every debate, the closest one to giving a shit was Tulsi and she was buried. The rest have been blatantly anti-middle class.






This virus isn?t just killing or hospitalizing ?grandpa?, it has and will continue to affect and kill younger demographics. This article sites the CDC directly https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/19/younger-adults-are-large-percentage-coronavirus-hospitalizations-united-states-according-new-cdc-data/%3foutputType=amp

I understand your frustration and anger but it?s not as simple as your previous post alludes to.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/health/coronavirus-united-states-deaths/index.html

Again, strip out population curve and this is a typical flu that attacks the elderly. What's untypical is its nonexistent in the under 20 group.

Typical flus smash the under 10 and over 70. This seems to simply hit the over 65.

[Phlip]

"You know what I’d like him to do, I’d like him to go back to The State Department, or as they call it, the deep state department"

Meanwhile, an adult in the toom:
https://media.giphy.com/media/JmD9mkDmzvXE7nxy7j/giphy.gif

[cherryhatch]

Worried about parts when people are dyning?

Sorry, I am the parts guy at my job... And we ain't closed yet!!

[RalliartRsX]

That took all of 24 posts to turn political lol!

[Corbic]

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2020/03/23/maricopa-county-medical-director-rebecca-sunenshine-schools-restaurants-shouldnt-have-closed/2904122001/

[midnight zenki]

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2020/03/23/maricopa-county-medical-director-rebecca-sunenshine-schools-restaurants-shouldnt-have-closed/2904122001/

You lost it when it referenced Maricopa county, the Florida of Arizona.

[z31andrew]

So I work at Motorsport Auto, we specialize in Datsun and Nissan Z parts ONLY. We work very close with Nissan and most large aftermarket parts suppliers, we ship over 150 packages per day through USPS and FedEx. We have not been effected as a business due to all this yet. We have shut our showroom down so customers can not come in our building, but have set up a no contact pick up service using a table outside our sales office for customers to pick up items while we are on the other side of the glass.

Just got word this morning the largest network of Nissan dealerships in So Cal laid off about 50% of their workforce. Most, if not all salesman, service porters and parts delivery drivers are all temporarily laid off until further notice. The amount of shops ordering parts and deliveries has diminished for them about 75%, and they let us know this morning that if they lose the 3 or 4 accounts they still have open for parts ordering and delivery then they will shut down until further notice, meaning we can not get Nissan parts, meaning we will most likely have to shut down due to not getting parts in. We are still waiting to see what happens, but very shitty feeling just waiting to see what happens with the Automotive industry that has been deemed "Essential" in these times.

[afishysilvia]

Can we get a thread change to “China virus” to spice it up in here a bit.

[Corbic]

Can we get a thread change to ?China virus? to spice it up in here a bit.https://youtu.be/WJCXEgpUxH0

[afishysilvia]

Exactly,

Now is the time to start pointing fingers. I’m willing to say most countries aside from the US are doing just that, especially with the recent findings of China knowing about this almost a month previously. Why drop a bomb when you can fuck everyone and release a virus unnoticed. But they’re good guys right.

[Thursday7]

https://i.imgur.com/5oa4b8R.jpg

[enkei2k]

Giving up my location just to give my 2 cents..

I'm here in NYC, the worst place to be supposedly based on number of deaths/cases/etc.

I left my house briefly once in the past week just to go to the bank so I'm trying to distance myself as much as possible, but I am going a bit crazy with cabin fever. However, the brief moment I was outside, I noticed:

- Social distancing? What's that? People around here aren't practicing it here at all and in reinforced from what I can see based on my friends posts/videos on social media as well in other parts of the city.

- not many people wearing masks/gloves/PPE in my neighborhood. Just a normal day here with people at the park playing ball, walking next to each other, etc. Taking advantage of the nice-ish weather

kinda hope these people that don't listen get what's coming to them, but at the same time, I understand that sometimes you just gotta do it and not be afraid of it and live your life. The regular flu kills thousands of people a year, this new covid-19 has killed many more. If we are lucky enough, it'll end soon like SARS of 03 or MERS of 12. If not, then it should be around in the future and will continue to take many more lives. We have evolved over the years, and so will strains of viruses.

[Phlip]

I am in North Carolina, where our local municipality (third largest in the state) declared stay at home orders on Friday. This was after the governor ordered non essential businesses like nail salons, spas, beauty/barber shops close at 5 on Wednesday.
Tomorrow makes two weeks I have been working from home.
We literally only leave the house for supplies and make a point of stocking up to avoid having to go out much. Stores are ridiculous, people run on TP and cleaning products. The streets are BARREN when we do go out for anything.
I am cool with working from home and it will save me money on supplies, gas and wear and tear on my car. The money I don't have to spend on my daughter's after school is being split between savings, paying down credit and online retail therapy. My Rakuten rebates will be ridiculous at the end of this.

As I have been out and about, I notice people NOT social distancing with basketball courts full of people, the neighborhood kids playing football in the yard and random people wandering and shit.
I am having the hardest time dealing with the fact that I have apparently NEEDED basketball all my life

[exitspeed]

I’ve had to make some trips to Home Depot and people are doing an ok job. Haven’t seen anything blatantly. I have noticed parents WITH their kids at the grocery store. I guess if you can’t leave them home alone that’s one thing, but I saw a mom with her daughter who was probably 15-16. Stay tf home.

We have one side of Milwaukee that is not taking this seriously. Pretty fucked up looking at the map.

I am glad they are changing unemployment so that I can file as a freelancer. Basically planning on paying off debts with every penny I get (we don’t qualify for the other part of the stimulus). Hoping on the other end of this thing to be in really nice shape.

Interested in how the real estate market looks afterwards.

[RalliartRsX]

I am in North Carolina, where our local municipality (third largest in the state) declared stay at home orders on Friday. This was after the governor ordered non essential businesses like nail salons, spas, beauty/barber shops close at 5 on Wednesday.
Tomorrow makes two weeks I have been working from home.
We literally only leave the house for supplies and make a point of stocking up to avoid having to go out much. Stores are ridiculous, people run on TP and cleaning products. The streets are BARREN when we do go out for anything.
I am cool with working from home and it will save me money on supplies, gas and wear and tear on my car. The money I don't have to spend on my daughter's after school is being split between savings, paying down credit and online retail therapy. My Rakuten rebates will be ridiculous at the end of this.

As I have been out and about, I notice people NOT social distancing with basketball courts full of people, the neighborhood kids playing football in the yard and random people wandering and shit.
I am having the hardest time dealing with the fact that I have apparently NEEDED basketball all my life


There is a reason the US surpassed China and Italy in total with number of cases.......

I noticed the very same thing last week. People are treating this like a vacation.....

[ZenkiKid]

https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/coronavirus-how-a-champions-league-match-contributed-to-italys-covid-19-outbreak/

[shaggyjake]

When this first started in Italy I thought my italian coworkers were overreacting a bit. Seeing how they've contained it now I'm led to believe that the US will get hit much worse.
Seeing everyone on social media doing whatever tf they want... idk.

[KA24DESOneThree]

I'm worried as hell about the various impacts on the economy, which is not to take away from the effects on people.

The Fed is projecting up to 50M unemployed; that's something around 29% unemployment.

We already are heavily underemployed in low-income areas; we're going to need to make big strides toward addressing poverty or we're going to end up creating a larger underclass than we already have.

How are hospitals going to bounce back? How many of the people who get COVID-19 are underinsured or uninsured? If we lose a significant amount of our medical workforce, then what? How do we deal with people who have long-lasting effects like lung scarring?

This seems to have shown the weakness of various industries- and the weakness of an economy where raising capital means becoming a slave to your investors.

We were already heading toward a manufacturing recession, and now we're going to enter it in earnest. What are the ramifications for automation down the line? Will this lead to automation, since machines can't get sick? If so, how many of the unemployed just plain won't come back?

Fascinating, if sad.

[ZenkiKid]

I feel like that whole eviction foreclosure moratoriums are just prolonging the inevitable if the borrowers/renters cant get back on their feet fast enough.

[afishysilvia]

Paying back only one month of rent in a six month period is going to be impossible for many of those people accepting this assistance.

[RalliartRsX]

^^ My thoughts exactly. If they cannot afford to pay this month or the next, they haven't worked for several weeks to make up the balance (that $1200 is literally nothing if you also factor in essentials), how do they expect for them to have money just appear??

From what I understand, private lenders are not required to be held to same requirements as .gov lenders. As in, the Gov can wipe out 2-4 months on a payment and absorb the cost as required by the stimulus, etc. Private lenders do not have to do any such thing........especially if they didn't accept the bailout money

This is only a tip of the iceberg. Shit's about to hit the fan here and it'a aint gonna be pretty...

[Phlip]

It will be ugliest for people who rent. A suspension is the only option they have and when this blows over, whenever this blows over, they will need to get right and current.
Mortgage holders may be able to see this as a deferment added to the end of the loan.
Again, this will REALLY hit the people least equipped to handle it the hardest. I am working an "essential" job, but from home and will not miss any mortgage payments, thank God.

[RalliartRsX]

^^^Yep. Which is why the 3.2M on unemployment last week, a record high, is only just the beginning.

As I stated, most people live paycheck to paycheck. Sure, they can weather missing one, but two?? Nope.....

[KA24DESOneThree]

It doubled to 6.6M today.

End the two-party system. It has failed us. Widespread poverty, government entangled and entwined in business, constant intrusions into our personal lives, racist and anti-poor legal system, etc.

[RalliartRsX]

Not interested in ending up like china, Turkey or any authoritarian country. All a single party system will lead to is a consolidation of power ala Russia.....where you get Presidents literally changing the Constitution, and literally restarting time.

No thanks. We need a more educated population to make the correct choices in terms of politicians and to hold them to a MUCH higher standard and better oversight. We deserve everything that has happened to us as US population has made that choice....WE the people elect these folks. They didn't elect themselves.....

The two party system has NOTHING to do with the response to this. If you have inexperienced folks and yes men running the shop, this is the outcome....

[lewisfk]

Florida is leading the charge with stupidity during this crises. The Florida Governor waited until today to establish a stay at home order, they will peak with Covid cases in early to late May. Texas is starting to shut down it's Louisiana border due to their inability to shelter in place and have an order. Louisiana will be in the same boat as Florida.

Texas has 44 new cases, because UT students said fuck it and went to Mexico for Spring Break. Dumb asses!

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/ut-students-who-went-on-spring-break-trip-told-by-company-there-was-no-coronavirus-threat

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Texas-Lousiana-quarantine-coronavirus-border-covid-15164996.php

https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor-abbott-mandates-14-day-quarantine-for-road-travelers-arriving-in-texas-from-any-location-in-louisiana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bgCCXSrwHA

[KA24DESOneThree]

Not interested in ending up like china, Turkey or any authoritarian country. All a single party system will lead to is a consolidation of power ala Russia.....where you get Presidents literally changing the Constitution, and literally restarting time.

No thanks. We need a more educated population to make the correct choices in terms of politicians and to hold them to a MUCH higher standard and better oversight. We deserve everything that has happened to us as US population has made that choice....WE the people elect these folks. They didn't elect themselves.....

The two party system has NOTHING to do with the response to this. If you have inexperienced folks and yes men running the shop, this is the outcome....

I'm talking more, not less, my dude. We need three, four, seven, ninety-one parties.

You are absolutely, unequivocally, wrong about our two-party system having nothing to do with the response to this. Our sides are so heavily separated that agreement is difficult even in the good times. Our choices last election were between this fucking orange turd and a Warhawk she-devil. We are walking ourselves into the fire because we all have to bleed blue or red, not because we're actually putting America First.

We aren't going to fix anything with the Queens Shitheel or Joe "What Year Is It?" Biden in the White House.

[RalliartRsX]

Again, when the outbreak occured, it was not both parties responsibility to address it. If you would like for me to add the timeline on how this admin addressed it, I sure will. Shoot in the news conference today Jared stated they had "their" masks.....not the state, not the counties...their
.as in the president or whoever he is referring to...

At one point it was called a hoax and we all were told we had it under control. Yet here we are.....

[RalliartRsX]

I dont want multiple parties, I want better options


That's all I got for politics. Everything is shut the fuck down for atleast another 1-2 months

Yeah its a shit show

[KA24DESOneThree]

You won't get better options from mainstream parties. These parties gave us a turd sandwich and a douchebag for candidates. Again. On a state level, they give us turd sandwiches and douchebags. All we fucking get are turds and douches.

Democrats are just as complicit as Republicans about the national stockpile. The Dems had a chance to reup California's stockpile after the Repubs gutted it and didn't.

Even Bernie's an Independent running as a Dem.

[RalliartRsX]

.......and the people vote them all in

If you're mad, the parties or candidates are not where you should be directing your anger. They all get voted in by thier own constituents, so please properly direct your anger.

[RalliartRsX]

And wtf does California's stockpile have to do with the national stock pile? No one keeps a stockpile....be it state, county or city because no one can predict when there is a pandemic outbreak. The feds are responsible to distributing to the states. California is not responsible for Wisconsin....

Due to the inaction and not declaring a national emergency or taking action here we are.....

[RalliartRsX]

And when I say stockpile it's a stockpile.that will.cover every single person (or 80% or so). Every state has a small.amount available

[ixfxi]

I have no idea on how this is going to play out, but its pretty obvious that this is such a large-scale problem that it will result in a serious problem probably much bigger than the country or world has ever seen. Bill Gates hit the nail on the head with that TED talk he did years ago, and here it is.

I think most of us can all agree in how upside down everything has been for many years now. The cost of housing has been stupid, regardless if its to rent or own. The cost of auto parts has gone up tremendously. Everythings been inflating and I am looking forward to this bubble bursting.

In terms of humanity, nobody welcomes death but boy is it necessary. Theres just too many people on this planet and we're doing more damage than good. Well, one things for certain... lots of deaths will mean lots of properties available and at more realistic prices. Assuming the economy does not collapse. Hopefully our *world leaders* will make the right decisions to prevent this from happening.

[lewisfk]

I need the POTUS to explain this. I find it sad that everything the Obama administration set in place, Trump has destroyed or crippled. This includes programs or laws that directly benefit the American people.


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/trump-disbanded-nsc-pandemic-unit-experts-praised-69594177

[exitspeed]

Talk about relevant updates and how you and/or your family is holding up.

Let?s keep it as non-political as we can..

Or not I guess.

Seriously though, let?s not turn this into the Trump bashing thread 2.0.

[afishysilvia]

The thing I hate the most about this fucking issue is the humongous amount of shit information that is being let out without any facts or information to back it up. One day you hear one policy, then it changes to something else. Now we’re 3 weeks in and our wanna be Mathew McConaughey govenor decides we should all be wearing some form of a mask huh?

The social distancing thing sucks ass too, I don’t mean people standing further away from me in lines while paying or waiting, but this whole shit to keep people out of the stores and 6 feet away at all times is just ridiculous and not gonna happen in certain areas. It’s plugging the rest of the system up and for those like me who still have to work, it’s making dealing with fucking idiots way more difficult.

[exitspeed]

Well in defense of the situation, it IS changing day by day. Just watch these press conferences every day and get the info right from the administration’s team.

Obviously there are local policies but for the most part it’s the same deal.

And yeah, it all sucks. Just do your best and try to be conscious of the guidelines. That’s all you can do.

[RalliartRsX]

The thing I hate the most about this fucking issue is the humongous amount of shit information that is being let out without any facts or information to back it up. One day you hear one policy, then it changes to something else. Now we?re 3 weeks in and our wanna be Mathew McConaughey govenor decides we should all be wearing some form of a mask huh?

The social distancing thing sucks ass too, I don?t mean people standing further away from me in lines while paying or waiting, but this whole shit to keep people out of the stores and 6 feet away at all times is just ridiculous and not gonna happen in certain areas. It?s plugging the rest of the system up and for those like me who still have to work, it?s making dealing with fucking idiots way more difficult.

Like exitspeed said, its day to day. Also, they still have to go b the CDC guidelines. Remember, the governers are not scientist or doctors......

However, if the CDC says one thing, and the governor completely ignores it, that is totally on the governor (like FLorida......)

[exitspeed]

It just dawned on me that these kids are probably going to have some PTSD going back to school.

There's this whole situation they are in right now, the extra stress at home and lack of structure (although I know most parents are trying their best, myself included) and then not seeing their friends in person and interacting with them. And then we're going to just throw them back in to a classroom setting. It's going to be tough. And this is different from Summer vacation because a lot of kids still have activities they do like sports and whatnot. It's also significantly longer.

[RalliartRsX]

^^ Agreed. Or the stress on literally not advancing daily and gaining knowledge.

Also, people who have to transition back to work at minimum 3 months not commuting, not deal with other people, not dealing with traffic, parking, or just public transit.

It's amazing how many things we take for granted :(

[Dutchmalmiss]

Just wanted to post in hopes that no one here ever gets it. Friend's mom got it and she passed in 4 days.

The numbers are very real, but they get outdated literally minutes after publishing. The big unknown is the unconfirmed cases. The ones that are undiagnosed. THAT'S the scary figure. Why? Because there's no number for it.

I'm blessed to be healthy (as of today), to still have a job (as of today), and for none of my loved ones to be affected (as of today). Do that facetime session with that friend or family member you've been putting off for months/years. Make that bomb ass meal you always wanted to tackle. Say I love you to as many people as possible. You really never know.

Stay safe everybody. Political-party jabbing/finger-pointing isn't the thing to put effort into right now. Take care of yourselves.

[KA24DESOneThree]

With all due respect, this entire thing is political. Everything is political when it relates to politicians and their actions. I get worked up about it because people are dying due to ineffectual governance and people who don't die may end up getting absolutely nailed to the wall by healthcare costs after a period of unemployment.

My shop's still open, but my painter, one of my body guys, my GM and one of my bookkeepers are all taking time off. It's raining, which means I'm double-fucked because I can't put cars outside so what work we do get done is at 50% efficiency.

[afishysilvia]

I wanna know when they make “Hazard pay” mandatory for everyone still going in. Fucking Costco stockers get another $2 raise, but I work on equipment and vehicles that’s all over skid row and we don’t get shit. To make this sane, they must keep everything equal.

[ZenkiKid]

This week is supposedly peak week. Lets hope thats the case and things start to calm down.

[RalliartRsX]

^ that's somewhat inaccurate. Each state has it's own projected peak time frame. DC for instance is not until June/July timeframe.....

[KA24DESOneThree]

No one could know peaks because we simply aren't testing enough, and where we are testing, we're not completing testing fast enough. California has more than 10% of its tests currently in process. You cannot determine how this moves through our population without data.

In SoCal, my town has less than 10 cases for an infection rate of approx. 0.02%. One of my techs decided to take the week off because everything has him on edge. I need him to finish three cars, so now I'm another week behind.

[lewisfk]

Texas peak is unknown, due to the fact several nursing homes failed to contact the CDC with positive Covid cases. This happened in my home town of Yoakum, Texas as well as Austin, Texas. My wife is currently working from home screening patients and sending them to a local Covid testing centers or scheduling them to see their PCM. On the military front, more and more of my collides in the Medical field are getting activated. I'm nervously waiting to see if the Federal Government activates a stop clause measure for all service members EAOS or Retiring in the next six months. All Branches of service missed their recruiting quota by significant amounts for the past three years, regardless of what the POTUS says.

[tuzzio]

Just got a mandatory 2 day furlough at work because none of our customers are paying us and payroll is getting scarce. Whack.

[ZenkiKid]

Just got a mandatory 2 day furlough at work because none of our customers are paying us and payroll is getting scarce. Whack.

Im a government employee and if I were to get furloughed Id actually be getting paid more to sit at home as opposed to be receiving a government job paycheck. My state the max for UI is $450 a week PLUS the $600 additional that is being thrown in due to the CARES act

[Dutchmalmiss]

Im a government employee and if I were to get furloughed Id actually be getting paid more to sit at home as opposed to be receiving a government job paycheck. My state the max for UI is $450 a week PLUS the $600 additional that is being thrown in due to the CARES act

Not bad haha.

I've been taking solo drives up and down my local canyon road for the sake of getting out of the house and getting some fresh air. Unfortunate circumstances, but the roads are EMPTY.

[afishysilvia]

Not bad haha.

I've been taking solo drives up and down my local canyon road for the sake of getting out of the house and getting some fresh air. Unfortunate circumstances, but the roads are EMPTY.

Careful, I heard they were ticketing and impounding around GMR/ Azusa canyon.

[spooled240]

Careful, I heard they were ticketing and impounding around GMR/ Azusa canyon.

So..nothing's changed? :rofl:

I'm curious how this whole thing is and will affect the housing market. Right now interest rates are really low, but houses are sitting on the market largely because people literally can't go out and see them.

I also keep wondering if things will fully recover when this all blows over. Are all the displaced workers going to get their jobs back? Are people going to come out of quarantine in full force and start spending money?

[Dutchmalmiss]

Careful, I heard they were ticketing and impounding around GMR/ Azusa canyon.

Not the case each time I go, but yeah I do watch out everytime regardless.

Yeah this is the new "normal" for a while.

As for recovery, it'll take a looong time. This pandemic basically made the economy go cold turkey in a matter of weeks. Can't undo all that just as fast.

[ixfxi]

It just dawned on me that these kids are probably going to have some PTSD going back to school.

^^ Agreed. Or the stress on literally not advancing daily and gaining knowledge.

Also, people who have to transition back to work at minimum 3 months not commuting, not deal with other people, not dealing with traffic, parking, or just public transit.

It's amazing how many things we take for granted :(

PTSD? What the fuck, we're talking about staying at home _NOT_ going to Vietnam. Gee I can see it now, PTSD over staying at home and jerking off, playing videos and watching DVDs. There is NO comparison to this being anywhere near as bad as how it was in the past. This is like a vacation.

The only PTSD I can think of are husbands who are at home, listening to their yelling children and nagging wife.


I'm curious how this whole thing is and will affect the housing market. Right now interest rates are really low, but houses are sitting on the market largely because people literally can't go out and see them.

They have online viewings, no big deal. Problem is the excess inventory from all the people who will be DEAD. Supply and demand, watch the prices DROP.

More important is that this Safer At Home request will get extended and more strict, mark my words. This is just the beginning.

I feel sorry for anyone who's paid their rent. Next month is right around the corner and again, rent will be due. Paying rent while being forced to stay home and not work (non-essentials)? I dont think so. Not unless you're able to work from home and are actually generating money.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Dude, people your age are dying. You need to be careful.

[midnight zenki]

Doctors say that COVID19 will become a seasonal disease.
And a pandemic will end only when more than 50% of the representatives of society will have immunity. Or through a disease or through vaccination.
Different countries will go to this in different ways. But the faster immunity is formed in most citizens, the earlier the economy will be restored.
The US goes this way, hoping to minimize losses. By autumn, the formation of the immune layer will be completed.
The country has a resource for this.
China will go the other way - they will start the industry now, but they will introduce total control of the incidence before the invention of the vaccine.
They have a resource for this.
Europe will be tormented slowly and for a long time. And the industry will not be launched, and the immune layer will form for a very long time.


What’s your source? The virus will mutate and evolve, it already has with two strains identified.

[Phlip]

I've been working from home for three weeks now. My last haircut was on day four.
I haven't missed a second of work, and have actually eked a little overtime since my last move was back to hourly despite coming with a raise.
I miss my barber more than almost anyone

[exitspeed]

PTSD? What the fuck, we're talking about staying at home _NOT_ going to Vietnam. Gee I can see it now, PTSD over staying at home and jerking off, playing videos and watching DVDs. There is NO comparison to this being anywhere near as bad as how it was in the past. This is like a vacation.

Obviously this isn?t the same as being in a war.

However, war isn’t the only traumatic thing someone can experience. I?m POSITIVE people had some form of PTSD after the Great Depression and I know for sure lots of people had PTSD after the Great Recession. Same thing. I?m telling you when we toss these kids back in a room together after not seeing anyone for 6+ months they?re going to feel weird and uncomfortable.

[ronmcdon]

Working in mental health and specializing more in emotional trauma, a common misconception is that ptsd is reserved exclusively for war and combat. Not to minimize ptsd from war, it's actually far more widespread and I don't doubt we'll get a lot of people being traumatized by all of this. One thing that definitely is there is a lot more depression from what I've seen so far.

[Phlip]

At this point, I am willing to remain home for a couple extra weeks while people decide to "liberate" their states and kill off a few hundred thousand people just to prove that the scientists and doctors know what the fuck they're talking about if the "leaders" apparently don't

[DJDANGER24]

At this point, I am willing to remain home for a couple extra weeks while people decide to "liberate" their states and kill off a few hundred thousand people just to prove that the scientists and doctors know what the fuck they're talking about if the "leaders" apparently don't

Although I still have to go to work as our company was deemed essential, I do hope that those needed "liberation" go out and get sick. I really hope these individuals realize that staying at home will benefit the entire community, not just themselves. But at this point, being several weeks into it, they wont and they will be begging the hospital to let them in when they're blue in the face cause they cant breathe.

[Phlip]

Although I still have to go to work as our company was deemed essential, I do hope that those needed "liberation" go out and get sick. I really hope these individuals realize that staying at home will benefit the entire community, not just themselves. But at this point, being several weeks into it, they wont and they will be begging the hospital to let them in when they're blue in the face cause they cant breathe.

Yeah, my company is one of the most "essential" in all of this (clinical lab), but I work a position that was easily transitioned to work from home. So I havenot missed a second of work.
I usually really only leave for supplies and custody exchanges. Gas is so cheap right now that I take the long way everywhere. I live less than a mile from two grocery stores, so I can get there early enough to not worry about meat and toilet paper shortages. I am actually SAVING more money during this shit than I might have if I was able to roam freely. That said, I wouldn't be mad if this shit lasted on through May as well!

[drift freaq]

Dude, people your age are dying. You need to be careful.

LOL he is not really 78 . Oh and people of all ages are dying. The biggest factor is a high percentage like close to 85% of the people dying have underlying health issues already.

The best thing to do is to keep distance and wash your hands quite frequently. I literally wash my hands everytime I go outside and inside. I carry a small bottle of hand sanitizer so I have it when hand washing is not available. You can easily make hand sanitizer as well. Rubbing Alcohol and aloe or mint tea oil and hydrogen peroxide.

I know social distancing sucks but what sucks more is getting sick with
Covid19 . Though truthfully if you live in California you have a high chance of already having been exposed or even having had it already.

Why do I say this? Look at the timeline it broke out in Wuhan in late Nov early December. It was reported to the WHO by China at the end of December. The only journalism that really covered it with alarm was the Journal of Science. Every other news organization noted it but did not give much attention.
Meanwhile Los Angeles and Long Beach two of the biggest ports in the country and responsible for a high percentage of imports from China went about their business. With business you had people traveling back and forth between here and China.
Now a high percentage of Chinese immigrants also do business with or worth in the Silicon Valley as well.
So you had two major interaction points in California . So forward to mid January and NAMM ( NAtional association of music merchandisers) a huge music industry convention in Anaheim where all the music equipment manufacturers get together. People come from all over the world to look at the new equipment coming out from all the manufacturers aka retailers. Ad to that its a major gathering of musicians from the very famous to not so famous that perform at sponsored shows for free. Ad into that producers and engineers as they now have included AES ( Audio Engineering Society ) into the mix.
Now why bring this up. Well as like most modern industries lots of stuff in the music industry is now manufactured in China and yes at NAMM there are a lot of Chinese reps. Well a lot of the Chinese reps at NAMM where going around wearing face masks. We asked ourselves hmm why are they wearing face masks. No one was talking about Wuhan no one was talking about Covid. Hell they were not even talking about it.
Now since we know that a lot of Asians at the first sign of sickness dawn face masks in hopes of not getting sick. Ya that sounds like a stereotype but before Covid19 in the U.S. it was pretty much true.
So we did not think much, except after NAMM several of us got sick with strange colds or fevers. My friend had a fever that put him down for nearly two weeks and he had cough he could not get rid for three weeks afterwards.
I had a strange chest only thing I thought was a cold that lasted over two weeks as well.
They even have told us a majority of healthy people who got Covid would experience a cold to severe cold to flu like symptoms and nothing more and some would not even know they had it.

So I think based of this sensible yet partly anecdotal evidence that its been here in California and possibly the U.S. overall longer than we realize.
That it took awhile to spread to the point where it spread faster.
That the reason California numbers are much lower than say New York are several different factors one is California is already started down the herd immunity road due to longer exposure. 2 is New York is more densely populated in the City. Plus did not have as much prolonged exposure. 3. That people here were getting it a lot but it was not being diagnosed as it appeared to be the flu. We have had a exceptionally bad flu season this year and 20k people have died from the flu( or so they think) as well in the U.S.
Plus my sister runs a credit card processing business and had clients in Vegas that got sick in December with pnuemonia like symptoms were tested for flu but did not show positive and had to go the hospital for it.
Just another interesting question and story.
So Social distancing can help for awhile to flatten the curve though eventually we do have to interact otherwise we will pro long the timeline of the disease.
First order would be to let children go out play and see friends as they are the least affected and would bolster herd immunity because they will develop anti bodies quickly. The older and at high risk( due to underlying medical conditions should still shelter in place. Healthy and recovered should go back to work and we should have testing perhaps by the businesses of employees to make sure they are not sick( ya I know that part is a tall order because we need more testing capability but that is actually starting to be corrected)
This would be the way till a Vaccine that works could be developed and administered.

Its really the way out though take it for what you will this is a new paradigm so to speak. It will probably be a year or two before we are back to what most of us considered normal.
Do not let the conspiracy theorists rule your thinking though be rational stay healthy we will get through .

[afishysilvia]

That said, I wouldn't be mad if this shit lasted on through May as well!

Fuck that, we need to get back to being social. That?s human nature for normal human beings. Not all of us like to be hermits in our house afraid of the sun. Video games and shit is not a way of life, being outside and having interactions with other people is.

The thought of people/kids having PTSD is a joke. People need to harden the fuck up, i being a millennial can say we are the softest fuckers around with all these worries. Bunch of pussies now days with so many worries, the youth is doomed because of how we?ve evolved in our methods of thinking.

I am essential, have been since day one. All my family is essential, not a thing has changed in that regard. Once a cure is made this will be just another faze, am I?m willing to bet still a lower deal toll than SARS or even the flu season of 2016 which was around almost 80,000 killed?

[ixfxi]

Though truthfully if you live in California you have a high chance of already having been exposed or even having had it already.

My sentiments exactly.

My entire family got hit and we were sick from around mid Dec all the way till mid Feb, it was a nightmare. Even my neighbor said the same thing, I told him I thought it was accuate bronchitis and he was like "I think I have walking pneumonia." Basically, everyone was hocking up huge loogies and had problems sleeping at night, needing to sleep in an upright position in order to not wake up coughing. Just when I would think I was feeling better it would come back in a different way, not so much fever but lots of congestion. It had me on my ass for a long time and the only thing i recall being this difficult to get rid of was bronchitis (that had me coughing so bad I would vomit).

I scratch my head at people who think wearing a "dust mask" or bandana is going to filter out something as small as a virus. Even the professionals had a hard time advising people whether or not to wear it. Most of the time I do not, unless I see myself going into a store with tight quarters -and I do it not for myself, but just common courtesy.

[spooled240]

I scratch my head at people who think wearing a "dust mask" or bandana is going to filter out something as small as a virus. Even the professionals had a hard time advising people whether or not to wear it. Most of the time I do not, unless I see myself going into a store with tight quarters -and I do it not for myself, but just common courtesy.

Or the piece of cloth/bandana. It's a fucking placebo.

People are now like, "brb gonna grab some more toilet paper"
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[ronmcdon]

Now why bring this up. Well as like most modern industries lots of stuff in the music industry is now manufactured in China and yes at NAMM there are a lot of Chinese reps. Well a lot of the Chinese reps at NAMM where going around wearing face masks. We asked ourselves hmm why are they wearing face masks. No one was talking about Wuhan no one was talking about Covid. Hell they were not even talking about it.
Now since we know that a lot of Asians at the first sign of sickness dawn face masks in hopes of not getting sick. Ya that sounds like a stereotype but before Covid19 in the U.S. it was pretty much true.
So we did not think much, except after NAMM several of us got sick with strange colds or fevers. My friend had a fever that put him down for nearly two weeks and he had cough he could not get rid for three weeks afterwards.
I had a strange chest only thing I thought was a cold that lasted over two weeks as well.
They even have told us a majority of healthy people who got Covid would experience a cold to severe cold to flu like symptoms and nothing more and some would not even know they had it.

So I think based of this sensible yet partly anecdotal evidence that its been here in California and possibly the U.S. overall longer than we realize.
That it took awhile to spread to the point where it spread faster.
That the reason California numbers are much lower than say New York are several different factors one is California is already started down the herd immunity road due to longer exposure. 2 is New York is more densely populated in the City. Plus did not have as much prolonged exposure. 3. That people here were getting it a lot but it was not being diagnosed as it appeared to be the flu. We have had a exceptionally bad flu season this year and 20k people have died from the flu( or so they think) as well in the U.S.
Plus my sister runs a credit card processing business and had clients in Vegas that got sick in December with pnuemonia like symptoms were tested for flu but did not show positive and had to go the hospital for it.
Just another interesting question and story.


.

This whole mess is pretty confusing, why some places are hit hard and others less so.

I get NY is more densely populated than LA and San Francisco, but you get cities like Tokyo and Hong Kong arguably more crowded than NY that I know of, and likely got the virus earlier and yet are doing incredibly well.

I do believe the practice of wearing face masks, something more common in Asian communities, when one gets sick might prevent the spread of the virus. It will be interesting to see how states that are opening up earlier and places like Sweden who haven't locked down their economy & quarantine as much are faring. If they can pull it off good for them. Its just not confidence inspiring when so little is known especially with transmission and long term effects.

[Phlip]

Fuck that, we need to get back to being social. That?s human nature for normal human beings. Not all of us like to be hermits in our house afraid of the sun. Video games and shit is not a way of life, being outside and having interactions with other people is.

The thought of people/kids having PTSD is a joke. People need to harden the fuck up, i being a millennial can say we are the softest fuckers around with all these worries. Bunch of pussies now days with so many worries, the youth is doomed because of how we?ve evolved in our methods of thinking.

I am essential, have been since day one. All my family is essential, not a thing has changed in that regard. Once a cure is made this will be just another faze, am I?m willing to bet still a lower deal toll than SARS or even the flu season of 2016 which was around almost 80,000 killed?

Since we're being selfish now...
My job/company is designated "essential" but I can work from home. Given the nature of it all, work is SLOW, so I am making my full paycheck to sit in my front room and watch documentaries and shit.
As I get older and learn to intensely dislike people, I was never an "out" type of person and the further constraints on movement has pushed me to save more (or spend less) money than usual. People in my orbit around me (diabetics, immune compromised people, two kidney transplant people, etc) are less able to weather what would assuredly be a more major health event than I am and I would be the dick if I wandered out among the world and brought the shit home to them.
Sure, I miss things like the gym and hunting for Hotwheels on the weekend, but not enough to force my way out into the world and potentially infect myself or others. With that in mind, ALL that shit will be there when this all blows over, and I am more than willing to wait and face it with the money I will have saved in hand to enjoy it. Shit, I might forego venturing out too much a little longer just to be sure shit has blown over.
So yeah, my current place in the world allows me the luxury of benefiting from waiting this out from the comfort of my home.

[RalliartRsX]

This whole mess is pretty confusing, why some places are hit hard and others less so.

I get NY is more densely populated than LA and San Francisco, but you get cities like Tokyo and Hong Kong arguably more crowded than NY that I know of, and likely got the virus earlier and yet are doing incredibly well.

I do believe the practice of wearing face masks, something more common in Asian communities, when one gets sick might prevent the spread of the virus. It will be interesting to see how states that are opening up earlier and places like Sweden who haven't locked down their economy & quarantine as much are faring. If they can pull it off good for them. Its just not confidence inspiring when so little is known especially with transmission and long term effects.

NY and California/West Coast are major international travel hubs from Asia. That and with a 2 week incubation period, you have your answer.

[ronmcdon]

Yeah but that doesn't answer why Asia is still doing so much better and with cases showing up earlier than NY, even if you were to discount Communist China being transparent. theoretically they should be hit the hardest, but they're not.

[Corbic]

Yeah but that doesn't answer why Asia is still doing so much better and with cases showing up earlier than NY, even if you were to discount Communist China being transparent. theoretically they should be hit the hardest, but they're not.Huh?


1. CHINA is lying, you can't believe anything they say. It's a country that has concentration camps, is actively engaged in genocide and openly harvests human organs.... I doubt they'd blink an eye if a million people dropped dead from Corona.

2. NY is being a dramatic bitch who's trying to kick and squeal as loud as possible. I've seen reports that basically anyone dying right now the Coronas are getting blame. Car accident? Well he had a runny nose, must be Corona. Heat Attack? But did she have a cough?!!! We need 40,000 ventilators but aren't even using 3,000 right now... Soooooooo

[ronmcdon]

Oh I don't trust China at all either and would venture to say much of this mess would have been scaled back if not for their lack of transparency. Doesn't help that WHO has been riding on their balls. Seems to be a real lack of accountability otherwise and wish trump would name it the Xi Jinping virus.

I have less reason to believe south korea, japan, hong kong, taiwan are downplaying their figures. My hunch is that Sweden has things most sorted out. Most of their businesses, schools are still open. They just maintain proper social distancing and can prevent their economy from collapsing.

[Goofs]

Illinois is getting ready to extend the stay at home order till Mid-May, while states like Florida and Georgia are getting ready to open back up...

Luckily I'm still employed, but I miss the gym and single dude in 20's activities. At least I've done more on the car than I would have if this wasn't going on. Going out for a drive on the bare streets has been one of the good things that has come from this pandemic

[Corbic]

Illinois is getting ready to extend the stay at home order till Mid-May, while states like Florida and Georgia are getting ready to open back up...



Luckily I'm still employed, but I miss the gym and single dude in 20's activities. At least I've done more on the car than I would have if this wasn't going on. Going out for a drive on the bare streets has been one of the good things that has come from this pandemicThis is going to go straight down party lines...

[lewisfk]

My mother in law just got COVID, she works as an administrator at a local Assisted Living in Austin, TX. As an administrator she has very little patient contact, unless she coordinating billing or medical procedures. I will not name the Assisted Living , but every room at this facility runs 3500-7k a month without government assistance. Nursing homes are not disclosing their rate of infection or active cases as instructed by CDC/ Task Force due to fear of being shutdown and lose revenue.

Thanks Dreamn

April 23 update. The rapid test was negative, the week test positive. When she is sitting her oxygen level POX 94. When she tries to walk her oxygen level drops to the 80s. Low-grade fever with a consistent wet cough. Crackling heard in the longs, chest x-ray negative for pneumonia. Lungs are slowly filling and it's been about 48 hours.

[DreamN]

My mother in law just got COVID, she works as an administrator at a local Assisted Living in Austin, TX. As an administrator she has very little patient contact, unless she coordinating billing or medical procedures. I will not name the Assisted Living , but every room at this facility runs 3500-7k a month without government assistance. Nursing homes are not disclosing their rate of infection or active cases as instructed by CDC/ Task Force due to fear of being shutdown and lose revenue.

That's unfortunate. Hope it doesn't hit her as hard as it has others.

[Phlip]

NC Governor announced yesterday that our stay-at-home will be in place until May 8 and that the state will reopen in three phases.
Today, he announced that reopening schools is not included in those phases, our kids are out for the remainder of the year.

As long as I am working from home, I will save on after school and summer camp fees. Starting to feel like we should get a puppy since we'll definitively be home to train it clear through the next few weeks

[lewisfk]

^^ go for it, a puppy will help with the boredom. Once I retire I'm getting a Cane Corso from Twelve Titans out of George, the have a nice YouTube following.

[mechanicalmoron]

My sentiments exactly.

My entire family got hit and we were sick from around mid Dec all the way till mid Feb, it was a nightmare. Even my neighbor said the same thing, I told him I thought it was accuate bronchitis and he was like "I think I have walking pneumonia." Basically, everyone was hocking up huge loogies and had problems sleeping at night, needing to sleep in an upright position in order to not wake up coughing. Just when I would think I was feeling better it would come back in a different way, not so much fever but lots of congestion. It had me on my ass for a long time and the only thing i recall being this difficult to get rid of was bronchitis (that had me coughing so bad I would vomit).

I scratch my head at people who think wearing a "dust mask" or bandana is going to filter out something as small as a virus. Even the professionals had a hard time advising people whether or not to wear it. Most of the time I do not, unless I see myself going into a store with tight quarters -and I do it not for myself, but just common courtesy.

Yeah, everyone around my work had the same, I was under the weather a few weeks with a very bad painful cough/chest problems - Very tough older guy was out a few weeks. We're all some degree of smoker, which surely didn't help much, but the duration was quite noticeable. Kids were vaguely sick for weeks and obviously got me sick, but didn't seem to suffer much themselves.

i never coughed up blood but thought I might, and frankly never quit sucking tar, but should have. It's rather expensive to eat your meds in these parts, and it certainly required meds. My lungs are just getting back to normal. Older guy went to dip and I saw him one time in more than two weeks, looking like death and wearing a blanket type poncho on a hot day.

I was on the fence about going to the doctor. People here talked about walking pneumonia too, and I didn't really realize until afterwards that what I had was absolutely "pneumonia", and I should have not worked.

Certainly not calling the disease no big deal, it was a big deal, and even being pretty young, it actually scared me considerably, even without thinking it was coronavirus until we were all better.

Sure seems to have been on the loose. I think as far as catching the virus,a cloth mask won't do jack because at several feet, the particles are already small, but in terms of preventing you from spreading it to others, it seems obvious that catching the wet bits before very fine atomization is a great idea.


You can be smart and avoid dangerous behavior without giving up all your rights, freedoms, and privacy. It's important to argue for logic and freedom, without denying the dangers and protecting those we can. Freedom isn't dangerous, freedom is the right to stay home or not.

[Phlip]

^^ go for it, a puppy will help with the boredom. Once I retire I'm getting a Cane Corso from Twelve Titans out of George, the have a nice YouTube following.

I lost the bet, we're looking for a baby dog now.
I would LOVE a Cane Corso and there is one on CL near me right now, but I am in 1275 square foot house in the middle of the third largest city in NC which is to say I don't have the house or land for that.

[lewisfk]

I understand the importance of space with a dog. Frenchies are the new it dog but I favor a corgi

Texas nursing homes are hiding COVID, and are not reporting it. This is the third one in the Austin, Texas area who's nurses instead of the administrative staff reported the virus. One COVID patient is one too many with compromised individuals.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/nursing-home-investigations/williamson-county-confirms-first-covid-19-cluster-at-nursing-home/amp/

[Phlip]

Texas nursing homes are hiding COVID, and are not reporting it. This is the third one in the Austin, Texas area who's nurses instead of the administrative staff reported the virus. One COVID patient is one too many with compromised individuals.

I am willing to bet that this is happening everywhere.

The organizer of "reopen NC" protests on FB tested positive and I am betting that the petri dish that will be GA will turn up some new fuckery in the coming weeks.

[RalliartRsX]

.....oh the irony. Especially considering s majority of those protests were funded by donors with ties to Duvos...(atleast in Michigan....not sure on the Carolinas)

Thoughts and prayers.......I can't imagine this will be an isolated case. Strong running for a Darwin award

[ixfxi]

With April just about done and May rent soon due, its only a matter of time before we get another look at economic collapse.

There is no way you can tell so many people to stay at home. Which for most people, means NOT work. And then to tell them, RENT IS DUE, or make payments, etc...

Its a shit-show.

[lewisfk]

Ixfxi your governor not pushing for a mortgage and rent forgiveness for 60-90 days. There soon will be a shortage of meat. Chicken to be specific, stock up.

[deolio]

There soon will be a shortage of meat. Chicken to be specific, stock up.

good thing is bat meat prices are dropping and there's plenty of stock. yum!

[afishysilvia]

Good thing there’s beyond meat now...fucking tree huggers. Gotta love California.

[ronmcdon]

GA and states who re-open early could do okay. It is a gamble as is any gradual opening. Sweden has done reasonably well with opening some stuff up, much better than some european countries although worse off than neighboring scandinavian countries. So not unthinkable it may work here.

Total quarantine for another year to 18 months until some vaccine is developed and destroying the economy isn't the answer either. Keep this up for another 3 months and I wouldnt be surprised if there are more than just protests.

[RalliartRsX]

Agreed. I dont think anyone right now is discussing this in any length and it's most definitely an inherent risk

It's tough to compare Sweden to anywhere in the US as it is a much much less densely populated that the states in general

Also, Germany began to do the same and has seen an uptick in cases. They are keeping an eye on it as once it reaches a certain number, they will have to shut it all down again :(

[ZenkiKid]

Though truthfully if you live in California you have a high chance of already having been exposed or even having had it already.



I agree. Especially at this point in time. I think everybody has been exposed to it by now or maybe has even had it in the past.

[ixfxi]

Keep this up for another 3 months and I wouldnt be surprised if there are more than just protests.

I clown a lot on the new generation... I think people are too comfortable and I dont see people acting like hoods, compared to 30-40 years ago. When the riots popped off in the 90s it all made sense. But nowadays, it seems the modern generation would rather create an online poll to riot, as opposed to burning down some shit. Well, time will tell if people get fed up enough. My wife's been trying to catch unemployment for weeks now. Phone numbers aint workin and money aint comin in. Theres only so much of this broken system that people can take.

[drift freaq]

Ixfxi your governor not pushing for a mortgage and rent forgiveness for 60-90 days. There soon will be a shortage of meat. Chicken to be specific, stock up.

Two words for you for us Foster Farms. We will have plenty of chicken here . No one except people that like frozen garbage buys Tyson lol.We only see Tyson in the frozen section. There is also Randall Farms out of Arizona which we see and Sanderson Farms too.
LA county actually has pushed rent forgiveness as well as mortgage forbearance. I believe our Governor has pushed for mortgage forbearance as well as I have a friend who lives in Riverside county and he was talking about it.

I don’t want to make this political but all this shit that is happening falls on the fact that the idiot in the Oval office disbanded our pandemic response team and fired our early warning person in China last July. I did not vote for that fool.

[Phlip]

Our public transit had some employees test positive and the city wanted the employees to keep working.
The drivers said "fuck that" and sat out, causing the city to have to shut down all public transit today. Because this would cripple a large amount of people getting to work in places like fast food and the hospitals, the mayor and whomever took the time to make sure some steps were in place to keep people safe.
Meanwhile, I am continuing to only leave the house to get food and exercise (alone).

[mechanicalmoron]

The problem is bailing out the capitalists, who's religion is against bailouts.

A real bailout isn't trillions to the banks, it's just an income to the people who have to be home until it's over. Real functional economies trickle up, trickle down is an excuse to steal everything from you, while pissing on you and telling you it's raining.

They want you to go get sick and die for the (their) economy, but the banks already have trillions of your money, and your kids money.

Neither of these parties is on your side.

[Agamemnon]

The problem is bailing out the capitalists, who's religion is against bailouts.

A real bailout isn't trillions to the banks, it's just an income to the people who have to be home until it's over. Real functional economies trickle up, trickle down is an excuse to steal everything from you, while pissing on you and telling you it's raining.

They want you to go get sick and die for the (their) economy, but the banks already have trillions of your money, and your kids money.

Neither of these parties is on your side.
As someone that is still waiting for their Payroll Protection Programing funding to be approved I understand how you feel, but leave these comments for another political thread. Lets keep comments in this thread for Covid-19 specific please.

[RalliartRsX]

The bailout is a direct effect of Covid-19. A main reason why so many folks are receiving hardship is simply because of how shittily the situation was handled by the government.

In France for example, the government pays the companies directly, and require it goes directly to the employees at 80-90 % of their pay and due to centralized healthcare, every single person keeps their benefits.....which means, if I am having a heart attack, and I am a blue collar worker, I am not sitting around making the choice of go or not go because a local hospital has several positive Covid-19 cases. I know of one person who had to make this very same decision while having a minor stroke with his wife preparing the chariot. That is a SHITTY choice to make

Try to avoid as you may, the bailout is ingrained in this discussion as so many people were/are depending on it, was shit and this will not end quickly. $1200 gets you how far again?? Lakers got $10M. Shake shack $10M. Ruth Christie $10M. And because of the bailout rules, once the money has been allocated, regardless of if the big businesses return the funds, those funds are NOT allowed to be tapped again. What a cluster fuck..... So a double swift kick to the nuts...
So there is a non zero chance, you won't even see the second wave of funds Agamemnon. Unfortunate as it may seem (I know of several folks and businesses personally who have applied for the PPP.........one in particular is my fabricator who literally JUST finished by half cage and I had a lengthy discussion with him in regards to the entire process.)

This ENTIRE situation could have been avoided....or atleast marginalized. There is a non zero chance we are absolutely fucked on the other side of this....
This also leaves zero question as to why the stock market still hasn't continued to tank (because they all got a 2nd and now possibly a 3rd infusion of cash, while pleebs are getting $1200....).
We are at 60K deaths today. About 1-2 months early than anticipated :(

[mechanicalmoron]

The bailout is a direct effect of Covid-19. A main reason why so many folks are receiving hardship is simply because of how shittily the situation was handled by the government.

In France for example, the government pays the companies directly, and require it goes directly to the employees at 80-90 % of their pay and due to centralized healthcare, every single person keeps their benefits.....which means, if I am having a heart attack, and I am a blue collar worker, I am not sitting around making the choice of go or not go because a local hospital has several positive Covid-19 cases. I know of one person who had to make this very same decision while having a minor stroke with his wife preparing the chariot. That is a SHITTY choice to make

Try to avoid as you may, the bailout is ingrained in this discussion as so many people were/are depending on it, was shit and this will not end quickly. $1200 gets you how far again?? Lakers got $10M. Shake shack $10M. Ruth Christie $10M. And because of the bailout rules, once the money has been allocated, regardless of if the big businesses return the funds, those funds are NOT allowed to be tapped again. What a cluster fuck..... So a double swift kick to the nuts...
So there is a non zero chance, you won't even see the second wave of funds Agamemnon. Unfortunate as it may seem (I know of several folks and businesses personally who have applied for the PPP.........one in particular is my fabricator who literally JUST finished by half cage and I had a lengthy discussion with him in regards to the entire process.)

This ENTIRE situation could have been avoided....or atleast marginalized. There is a non zero chance we are absolutely fucked on the other side of this....
This also leaves zero question as to why the stock market still hasn't continued to tank (because they all got a 2nd and now possibly a 3rd infusion of cash, while pleebs are getting $1200....).
We are at 60K deaths today. About 1-2 months early than anticipated :(
Right?

The economy as we discuss it is not a real thing, it's just a measure of how fast the wealthy are getting more wealthy by comparison to everyone else - only cruelty and indifference could justify giving any bailout whatsoever to those people - but just like any other time (and of course so much moreso), giving people without enough money, money, directly injects it into the part of the economy that actually moves around, that's the very best you could do for small businesses and the everyman.

When you give joe blow a wad of cash, even if he didn't think he needed it, he still gets the tires he's been driving on bald for months, or whatever - it helps everyone all the way up the ladder, from the local tire shop to the manufacturer. When you give Michelin (just picking a name that fits my tire example) a wad of cash, they outsource things and hide it offshore and use it to buy their own stock back to make it look more valuable and all sorts of other dastardly things that joe blow just couldn't do even if he wanted to.

[Phlip]

I've ben doing this fun thing on FaceBook where whenever someone posts the Plandemic video, I immediately delete them.

[RalliartRsX]

Yep. Several places debunked the video

If one single person who posted the video took 2 secs to google her, they wouldn't be posting the video....

Actually no, they still would post the video because bleach injections work...

[Dolph_KYAS13]

I've ben doing this fun thing on FaceBook where whenever someone posts the Plandemic video, I immediately delete them.

I have deleted so many people on my "friends" list because of this. Instagram too.

Its crazy how some people (many of whom I thought were somewhat educated) actually fall for this shit.

[Phlip]

I have this one former coworker who kept re-posting the shit, talking about "keep posting until they wake up and stop burying the truth," then went to posting similar posts basically repeating the same debunked bullshit. She was not only deleted, but blocked as well

[Agamemnon]

So there is a non zero chance, you won't even see the second wave of funds Agamemnon. (
Second wave did indeed come and my funds were deposited in my account last week.

[RalliartRsX]

Nice! Good to hear

[dbeiler]

Haven't seen Plandemic. I'm going to assume it's 9/11 conspiracy theories 2.0.

Finally dumped a bunch of money into the stock market. Can't imagine it going to much lower for any extended period of time. People are beginning to realize they had a much higher chance of dying in a car accident on the way to work than they ever did of COVID.

[Agamemnon]

Nice! Good to hear
Its been a huge sigh of relief for me and a lot of my business associates. My banking institution(U.S. Bank) came through and pushed hard for us. Unfortunately, I've heard from my associates that there has been an large number employees upset that they are getting their missed payroll and are refusing to come back to work.

[RalliartRsX]

And the USA has now had the highest per day cases of Covid since this whole mess began.....And NO, its not because of increased testing.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/503902-who-more-testing-doesnt-explain-covid-19-spikes-in-us

ERTISEMENT
But most of those states are also seeing an increase in the percentage of tests that come back positive, indicating the virus is spreading quickly. If the virus were stable, the percentage of positive tests would be declining.

Thanks Obama.....oh wait....

[lewisfk]

Governor Abbott just made mask mandatory for all Texas residents over the age of 10 years old. If you have a legit medical issue you can get a waiver. Texas has had an average of. 5800 new cases a day. It hit 8k this pass weekend.

[RalliartRsX]

You can blame then idiot Dan Patrick for some.of that....

[drift freaq]

This whole mess is pretty confusing, why some places are hit hard and others less so.

I get NY is more densely populated than LA and San Francisco, but you get cities like Tokyo and Hong Kong arguably more crowded than NY that I know of, and likely got the virus earlier and yet are doing incredibly well.

I do believe the practice of wearing face masks, something more common in Asian communities, when one gets sick might prevent the spread of the virus. It will be interesting to see how states that are opening up earlier and places like Sweden who haven't locked down their economy & quarantine as much are faring. If they can pull it off good for them. Its just not confidence inspiring when so little is known especially with transmission and long term effects.

and of course now we are experiencing how people got lax and dumb after we started opening up. I actually started to see more people not wearing face masks a few weeks back. I also saw groups at restaurant's sitting right next to each other no face masks getting drunk and eating and shouting at each other. I was picking up food and I was like get me out of here now.
So ya Welcome to Fourth of July lockdown style.

thank you Covidiot’s :lol:

[Kingtal0n]

viruses and airbourne pathogens have been around as long as we have. It will continue to mutate and re-infect over time just like the FLU and many others.

The only difference is now suddenly our population is growing out of control, and our technology to distinguish pathogens is getting better, so between those two things we will be finding more and more issues with our 'air quality' so to speak.

I forsee in the near future, many HEPA-style air filtration units, and many UV-'germ killer' type of units, not just in hospitals but everywhere, homes, offices, gyms, etc...

[gbaby2089]

All people have to do is wear masks and not congregate for awhile.

But the idiots we live amongst can't even do that for a few months. Life could be near normal, but alas more people are dying now from it than ever before.

Selfish idiots.

[ronmcdon]

on a more positive note, there are some good restaurant takeout deals here in la and san francisco bay area

[Phlip]

All people have to do is wear masks and not congregate for awhile.

But the idiots we live amongst can't even do that for a few months. Life could be near normal, but alas more people are dying now from it than ever before.

Selfish idiots.

It's weird watching countries do what the experts suggest and get better, then doing the opposite and wondering why it just isn't working

[RalliartRsX]

Its summer. I thought this was all to go away by now?? Isn't this just a hoax?

We had 6 months to fix this. Yet, you have idiots rolling up on City Hall in Michigan armed talking about ma rights, and here we are 1 month later about to shut it all down again and they are no where to be found.....Fucking idiots....the lot of them!

How in the world did this country manage to make the situation WORSE in 6 months in while every single other country made it better. How in the world....You have places like FL who refuse to count the available ICU beds, or just simply the state posts false/inaccurate Covid related cases, get called on it, and not once, but 2 or 3 more times post the same inaccurate info. WHAT THE [email protected][email protected][email protected]

P.S Fuck Lt Gov of Texas Dan Patrick and Rand Paul. People like those are EXACTLY the reason we are all in this shit, and will be for the foreseeable future....

Boy are we fucked as a country where people can't even wear simple fucking mask without screaming to the moon and back. Selfish as fuck pricks....

[ronmcdon]

indeed. for a while death rates were pretty stable despite increased infection. now that's going up too in the past week.

I do think think failure comes in the form of many levels of government, for both political parties. also people not taking on responsibility even today. Just drove out to run some errands in Los Angeles and it seems like at least a third of people out there still aren't wearing masks.

hoping plasma shots might be part of the solution.
https://ktla.com/news/coronavirus/scientists-develop-plasma-shot-that-could-prevent-coronavirus-but-say-feds-and-makers-wont-act/

[Phlip]

Ladies and gentlemen...
Herman Cain

... because fuck the experts.

[RalliartRsX]

Darwin award.....

[gbaby2089]

Ladies and gentlemen...
Herman Cain

... because fuck the experts.

Wearing a mask is too hard man.

[zombiewolf513]

If youre so afraid of people not wearing masks, heres a tip from your "experts": stay home.

[RalliartRsX]

Why don't you stay the fuck home and stop spreading shit??

Why should I be forced to be exposed to you?? See how that works??

The knife cuts both ways....

[zombiewolf513]

No it doesnt. Im not spreading anything. Im not afraid. Im free to go out. FREE. Why do WE have to be exposed to your dumbass with toilet paper and tin foil wrapped around your head DEMANDING I do the same?

Scared? Stay home. Now put your mask back on so we dont have to hear you, like your masters told you

[Phlip]

I like it here in my house.
I have a lot of cool shit in here and two dogs that love me. I have built and planted a vegetable garden, I have gotten more writing done in the last three months than in the previous two years. I can do curbside for my groceries and in the event that I need to face the public, it is no huge deal to put on a fucking mask for ten minutes.
I am a lifelong asthmatic who has spent a week and a half in the hospital for heart related issues. I will listen to the experts before I do some asshole lying to me just to be reelected.

[zombiewolf513]

Thats fine. Nothing wrong with staying home. Except that kids are forced to be social isolates. It just makes no sense to be scared and go out demanding other people follow your orders. its not about being 'incovenienced' by a mask. The issue is that this molehill is being made out to be a mountain to push the limits of uncostitutional compliance, destroying mom and pop in favor of multinational corporations, and effectively artificially forcing our economy further down. Your "experts" hate you and theyre gaming you to screw you and all of us over. Its not going to end at the masks, just like it didnt end at the "temporary 2 week shut down" when the "experts" were saying "masks dont work" and i was laughed at for wearing an n95 and stocking up supplies.
Do you realize most people dont wash their hands after using the bathroom? Havent you noticed that people touch EVERYTHING at the stores at put it back on the shelf? It is impossible to buy a mask actually rated effective against COVID. Do you really not see what is going on here? The only thing this has to do with trump is that the elite media and politicians are using this scamdemic to take attention off the fact theyve been pursueing lie after lie to remove a duelly elected president and ramp up their blind followers to try it again.

[Phlip]

I imagine the opinions of people who think plandemic was legitimate would hold more weight here if not for the countries the world over who did listen to the experts and have since seen their countries NOT going to shit, while America is busy pissing and moaning because their constitutional right to yell at an Applebees waitress is being violated.
It seems we need some more high profile people to go the Herman Cain route of ridiculing the whole thing and then paying the ultimate price before this shit gets taken seriously. Yes, I am making light of the death of someone who could have saved himself had he not decided to play politics. I am also willing to go to his grave and write "fucked around and found out" in Sharpie if given a chance and time to do so.

[gbaby2089]

Thats fine. Nothing wrong with staying home. Except that kids are forced to be social isolates. It just makes no sense to be scared and go out demanding other people follow your orders. its not about being 'incovenienced' by a mask. The issue is that this molehill is being made out to be a mountain to push the limits of uncostitutional compliance, destroying mom and pop in favor of multinational corporations, and effectively artificially forcing our economy further down. Your "experts" hate you and theyre gaming you to screw you and all of us over. Its not going to end at the masks, just like it didnt end at the "temporary 2 week shut down" when the "experts" were saying "masks dont work" and i was laughed at for wearing an n95 and stocking up supplies.
Do you realize most people dont wash their hands after using the bathroom? Havent you noticed that people touch EVERYTHING at the stores at put it back on the shelf? It is impossible to buy a mask actually rated effective against COVID. Do you really not see what is going on here? The only thing this has to do with trump is that the elite media and politicians are using this scamdemic to take attention off the fact theyve been pursueing lie after lie to remove a duelly elected president and ramp up their blind followers to try it again.

Wow.

Okay, a lot to unpack here.

This "molehill" has killed 160,000 Americans.

You're right, wearing a mask isn't a way to protect yourself from the virus. It is a way to prevent you from spreading it to other people.

Kids are being isolated because you anti-maskers can't be bothered to show an iota of basic human decency or compassion. Want kids back in school? Wear a mask, stop going to bars & just stay at home.

You anti-maskers would be doing everything you can to skirt rationing during WWII because your convenience is more important than being the Nazis.

[Phlip]

Kids are being isolated because you anti-maskers can't be bothered to show an iota of basic human decency or compassion. Want kids back in school? Wear a mask, stop going to bars & just stay at home.

But some asshole on Zilvia told me without an iota of proof that children are immune! I am willing to bet that same asshole has no children to lose in his bullshit gamble.

[zombiewolf513]

Just wear the "face covering" *if we call it a mask we'll be sued for giving misleading medical advice*
Just stop going to church
Just stop going to work
Just stop your kids from having any resemblance of socialization
Just stop your kids from getting an education
Just inflate your currency
Just give up your guns
Just defund the police
Just let them spy on you

Its all just so easy isnt it. Just remember that once you all paint us into a corner, dont pretend like you werent holding the brush.

"I want to end this scary virus for everyones sake, but I hope more people die from it." Yeah, and Im the one with issues.

[zombiewolf513]

This "molehill" has killed 160,000 Americans.

You're right, wearing a mask isn't a way to protect yourself from the virus. It is a way to prevent you from spreading it to other people.

Kids are being isolated because you anti-maskers can't be bothered to show an iota of basic human decency or compassion. Want kids back in school? Wear a mask, stop going to bars & just stay at home.

You anti-maskers would be doing everything you can to skirt rationing during WWII because your convenience is more important than being the Nazis.

TB killed 1.5 million americans in 2018 alone. Where was your mask and lockdowns?
Kids are isolated because you idiots have everything closed, because YOU are a scared little bitch.
Fuck you, asshole, you dont know my circumstances.

But some asshole on Zilvia told me without an iota of proof that children are immune! I am willing to bet that same asshole has no children to lose in his bullshit gamble.

So are you saying kids aged 1-8 arent going to see long term effects from 6 months+ of social isolation because you THINK someone on the internet doesnt have kids? Everyone has kids. Think of the effects a generation of desocialized kids is going to have on our tech based society

[Phlip]

So are you saying kids aged 1-8 arent going to see long term effects from 6 months+ of social isolation because you THINK someone on the internet doesnt have kids? Everyone has kids. Think of the effects a generation of desocialized kids is going to have on our tech based society

So you're saying that isolation for a child who, with regular conversation about why, is a worse fate than the long term effects of a still-not-understood virus?
"Everyone has kids" is the stupidest shit I have seen today

[zombiewolf513]

playing with kids = "hey jimmy you cant play with other kids"
Sure, makes sense

""Everyone has kids" is the stupidest shit I have seen today"
Look in a mirror

[zombiewolf513]

"Zombiewolf isnt welcome here anymore"

Really?

Youre some petty ass motherfuckers.

[gbaby2089]

Just wear the "face covering" *if we call it a mask we'll be sued for giving misleading medical advice*
Just stop going to church
Just stop going to work
Just stop your kids from having any resemblance of socialization
Just stop your kids from getting an education
Just inflate your currency
Just give up your guns
Just defund the police
Just let them spy on you

Its all just so easy isnt it. Just remember that once you all paint us into a corner, dont pretend like you werent holding the brush.

"I want to end this scary virus for everyones sake, but I hope more people die from it." Yeah, and Im the one with issues.

You're literally the one who wants people to die from this.

Distance learning sucks! But you know what sucks more? Me getting lung damage, another student/a professor/a support staff member/a parent losing their life.

That's way worse!

A lot of jobs can and should be done from home anyway!

Wearing a mask is a way to start getting back to 'normal.' Y'all are just so obsessed with being anti-science that you'd rather kill yourselves.

BTW, as far as being spied on....Republicans wrote the Patriot Act.

[zombiewolf513]

Shut up, dolt.

[RalliartRsX]

Shut up, dolt.

I wish you showed this much passion for the folks being kidnapped by the Federal police force, in unmarked vehicles and taken to some undisclosed location, all while NOT identifying themselves and not telling folks of why they are being arrested.

THAT is government overreach.

Wear a fucking mask and stop being a selfish piece of shit.

All they are asking is you wear a mask. Doctors wears masks for sometimes up to 12 hours during surgery, and guess what, they don't complain....and I am sure the patients appreciate the doc NOT spreading their germs to thier patients.


You act like we are asking you to go to war. Its a fucking mask. Stop being a little bitch about it. All you have to do is wear it for literally a fraction of your life...

[zombiewolf513]

*Throw explosives at federal building filled with officers
*gets arrested by feds in tactical gear
*wonders why

Come make me. Fuck around and find out, pussy.

[dbeiler]

It sounds like some people here are literally cowering in fear at home, afraid to step outside without mask, gloves, and hand sanitizer.

Let me remind everyone how incredibly NOT dangerous the virus is to the majority of us.
https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/06/23/coronavirus-covid-deaths-us-age-race-14863

Check the infection fatality rate estimate chart:
5-9 years 0.0016%
10-19 years 0.00032%
20-49 years 0.0092%

Here I am walking around outside, disregarding a virus I only have 99.908% chance of surviving if contracted. I must have a massive pair of chestnuts between my legs!

Please continue to stay inside. The world will hurt you.

[RalliartRsX]

*Throw explosives at federal building filled with officers
*gets arrested
*wonders why

Come make me. Fuck around and find out, pussy.

NONE of those folks were linked with it. Shit, NONE of those folks were arrested on Federal property

Wear a fucking mask and stop being a selfish piece of shit.

All they are asking is you wear a mask. Doctors wears masks for sometimes up to 12 hours during surgery, and guess what, they don't complain....and I am sure the patients appreciate the doc NOT spreading their germs to thier patients.


You act like we are asking you to go to war. Its a fucking mask. Stop being a little bitch about it. All you have to do is wear it for literally a fraction of your life...

[zombiewolf513]

All they are asking is you wear a mask. Doctors wears masks for sometimes up to 12 hours during surgery, and guess what, they don't complain....and I am sure the patients appreciate the doc NOT spreading their germs to thier p


You act like we are asking you to go to war. Its a fucking mask. Stop being a little bitch about it. All you have to do is wear it for literally a fraction of your life...

See this post? Again, why dont you come try to put an ineffective cuck mask on my face then?

Just wear the "face covering" *if we call it a mask we'll be sued for giving misleading medical advice*
Just stop going to church
Just stop going to work
Just stop your kids from having any resemblance of socialization
Just stop your kids from getting an education
Just inflate your currency
Just give up your guns
Just defund the police
Just let them spy on you

Its all just so easy isnt it. Just remember that once you all paint us into a corner, dont pretend like you werent holding the brush.

"I want to end this scary virus for everyones sake, but I hope more people die from it." Yeah, and Im the one with issues.

You dont get to claim feds rolling up a criminal is tyranny while DEMANDING people follow tyrannical orders

[dbeiler]

Whoops. Miscalculation. It's actually a 99.9908 survival estimate. Scared me for a sec.

[dbeiler]

Wear a fucking mask and stop being a selfish piece of shit.

You wear a mask? Why stop there? Donate your entire salary. Prove to us you're just as good as the "bad orange man".

[RalliartRsX]

SO I guess the compensation expired Friday.....

Yeah, that SUCKS for lots of folks :(

[dbeiler]

SO I guess the compensation expired Friday.....

Yeah, that SUCKS for lots of folks :(

The portion of the population that's currently contributing nothing to society. Help them out. Donate your entire salary.

[zombiewolf513]

SO I guess the compensation expired Friday.....

Yeah, that SUCKS for lots of folks :(

More of a reason for you to take this advice...

You wear a mask? Why stop there? Donate your entire salary. Prove to us you're just as good as the "bad orange man".

[RalliartRsX]

The portion of the population that's currently contributing nothing to society. Help them out. Donate your entire salary.

10Million people on unemployment are NOT contributing to society??

Huh?

Ok cool.

[zombiewolf513]

b-but how could this happen?!

IT WAS ALL SO EASYYYYY??!!!!

[mr.nismo.]

I love this thread.

I'll throw my stupid opinion out here. Living in CA has been a shit show for all of this, so here's the breakdown


Masks: not a big deal. Wear the fucking thing if it helps prevent you from spreading anything (even unintentionally). There's plenty gathering at protests/rallies, etc that dgaf and don't mask up, it really isn't that hard to throw it on.

Lockdown: fucking stupid. Our economy is trashed now. The recovery will be literally years from this. Especially in CA for our tourist driven economy. Literally fucked. Our stupid ass governor let people open up, spend all this money on making everything covid compliant (paper menus, barriers, reduced capacities, etc), then made everyone close again. Those people are getting fucked real hard now. People who are at risk should do what they need to and protect themselves. Everyone else mask up and go about your business. Herd immunity needs to happen one way or another. There's literally NO immunity from this shit. I was down for not overloading hospitals. Someone dying from a lack of space is shitty. However that turned real quick into "prevent everyone from getting it". Fuck outta here with that shit. Not. Happening.

Stimulus/unemployment: everything was done with only speed in mind. 1200 dollars in CA is fucking shit compared to 1200 in somewhere like Alabama or something. Even better, I got fucking phased out a shit ton of it because I make over 75k. Even though that's like minimum for living here. Like what the fuck?? For unemployment, people were being payed way over what they made working and that needed to stop. I feel that you should make 100% of your normal pay if you're being forced to not work. Obviously the logistics would be a nightmare sorting individual pay at a governmental level. More possible with individual employers doing it through their payroll and then the government can handle everything as a whole from them.

Numbers: statistics on this are super fucked. Everything is just raw numbers (not accurate ones) with not enough detail. Not to mention that hospitals have an incentive to declare deaths as covid is stupid AF.


I feel bad for kids who are at home all the time now. I grew up like that and it sucks big time. I get the distance learning (more for teachers safety), but it needs to be revamped big time. I have a 14 yo little brother, and he said it's just been a total mess. I'm hoping that will be fixed sooner than later.





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[feito]

too many people getting way too comfortable with them "free" checks... wonder what the outcome of that will be...

[mr.nismo.]

too many people getting way too comfortable with them "free" checks... wonder what the outcome of that will be...There's no such thing as free money. All of it will come back in taxes. One way or another.

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[zombiewolf513]

Inflation, actually. Instead of taxing they print what they need, which makes the money in your accounts worth less. I dont hear many people preaching the merits of UBI right now

[gbaby2089]

I wish you showed this much passion for the folks being kidnapped by the Federal police force, in unmarked vehicles and taken to some undisclosed location, all while NOT identifying themselves and not telling folks of why they are being arrested.

THAT is government overreach.

Wear a fucking mask and stop being a selfish piece of shit.

All they are asking is you wear a mask. Doctors wears masks for sometimes up to 12 hours during surgery, and guess what, they don't complain....and I am sure the patients appreciate the doc NOT spreading their germs to thier patients.


You act like we are asking you to go to war. Its a fucking mask. Stop being a little bitch about it. All you have to do is wear it for literally a fraction of your life...

The people that love to call others weak are the most easily perturbed.

It sounds like some people here are literally cowering in fear at home, afraid to step outside without mask, gloves, and hand sanitizer.

Let me remind everyone how incredibly NOT dangerous the virus is to the majority of us.
https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/06/23/coronavirus-covid-deaths-us-age-race-14863

Check the infection fatality rate estimate chart:
5-9 years 0.0016%
10-19 years 0.00032%
20-49 years 0.0092%

Here I am walking around outside, disregarding a virus I only have 99.908% chance of surviving if contracted. I must have a massive pair of chestnuts between my legs!

Please continue to stay inside. The world will hurt you.

Being an asshole does not make you courageous, it simply makes you an asshole. I'm a healthy guy in my late 20's, I'm probably in better shape than you....I'm still going to do my damnedest to make sure my slip up does not kill your parents.

NONE of those folks were linked with it. Shit, NONE of those folks were arrested on Federal property

Wear a fucking mask and stop being a selfish piece of shit.

All they are asking is you wear a mask. Doctors wears masks for sometimes up to 12 hours during surgery, and guess what, they don't complain....and I am sure the patients appreciate the doc NOT spreading their germs to thier patients.


You act like we are asking you to go to war. Its a fucking mask. Stop being a little bitch about it. All you have to do is wear it for literally a fraction of your life...

YEP.

The portion of the population that's currently contributing nothing to society. Help them out. Donate your entire salary.

:duh:

10Million people on unemployment are NOT contributing to society??

Huh?

Ok cool.

I'm sure he's contributed so much.

I love this thread.

I'll throw my stupid opinion out here. Living in CA has been a shit show for all of this, so here's the breakdown


Masks: not a big deal. Wear the fucking thing if it helps prevent you from spreading anything (even unintentionally). There's plenty gathering at protests/rallies, etc that dgaf and don't mask up, it really isn't that hard to throw it on.

Lockdown: fucking stupid. Our economy is trashed now. The recovery will be literally years from this. Especially in CA for our tourist driven economy. Literally fucked. Our stupid ass governor let people open up, spend all this money on making everything covid compliant (paper menus, barriers, reduced capacities, etc), then made everyone close again. Those people are getting fucked real hard now. People who are at risk should do what they need to and protect themselves. Everyone else mask up and go about your business. Herd immunity needs to happen one way or another. There's literally NO immunity from this shit. I was down for not overloading hospitals. Someone dying from a lack of space is shitty. However that turned real quick into "prevent everyone from getting it". Fuck outta here with that shit. Not. Happening.

Stimulus/unemployment: everything was done with only speed in mind. 1200 dollars in CA is fucking shit compared to 1200 in somewhere like Alabama or something. Even better, I got fucking phased out a shit ton of it because I make over 75k. Even though that's like minimum for living here. Like what the fuck?? For unemployment, people were being payed way over what they made working and that needed to stop. I feel that you should make 100% of your normal pay if you're being forced to not work. Obviously the logistics would be a nightmare sorting individual pay at a governmental level. More possible with individual employers doing it through their payroll and then the government can handle everything as a whole from them.

Numbers: statistics on this are super fucked. Everything is just raw numbers (not accurate ones) with not enough detail. Not to mention that hospitals have an incentive to declare deaths as covid is stupid AF.


I feel bad for kids who are at home all the time now. I grew up like that and it sucks big time. I get the distance learning (more for teachers safety), but it needs to be revamped big time. I have a 14 yo little brother, and he said it's just been a total mess. I'm hoping that will be fixed sooner than later.


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The distance learning was so bad in the first place because it was A) Rushed (for good reason) and B) distance learning sucks.

We had the entire summer to get our shit together and stamp this out for the most part. Maybe kids could've gone back to school like they are in Italy & most of the rest of the world. Or we could've made distance learning less bad.

Instead we're at a worse point than ever before.

Glad you agree on masks.

As for lockdowns, the issues are we didn't do it in conjunction with masks, we didn't lockdown enough and people were still out living their lives, during the shutdown. The government should've given every more money, given businesses money to keep the lights on (figuratively)/rent paid (literally), etc., just as many countries in Europe did.

A real shutdown for 4-6 weeks like Italy did, then coming out of it relatively intact is a whole lot better than the idiotic situations that we're living through here because our government is so short sighted. A real shutdown for 4-6 weeks would have terrible effects for 4-6 weeks & if it works (and we help people as outlined above), in theory things could get back to normal quite quickly.

Instead, we've got 150,000 people, we've tanked the economy for going on five months now, etc. I know you want stuff open, but there are a LOT of folks who won't go to a restaurant, to a movie, to a lot of other businesses while a pandemic is raging on whether they're 'open' or not.

You want normalcy? Stay home & wear a mask. You want to continue to live under the shadow of COVID19 & watch deaths pile up? Listen to some of the posters in here.

[gbaby2089]

Inflation, actually. Instead of taxing they print what they need, which makes the money in your accounts worth less. I dont hear many people preaching the merits of UBI right now

That's because you're listening to right wing extremists.

There are many people preaching exactly that.

Also, don't talk about just printing money as though we don't already do it. Look at the military budget which has gone up in perpetuity while so many other programs are cut.

[zombiewolf513]

Fuck your mask. Were living under the shadow of tyranny. Ill take covid over your shitty demands any day. You have no idea how anything works

[RalliartRsX]

Its a fucking mask. You're not being carted off to concentration camps

It's amazing how many people are snow flakes

[Phlip]

Its a fucking mask. You're not being carted off to concentration camps

It's just a mask now. Wait and see what happens when Bill Gates gets his way and they start going door to door and mandating vaccines and tattooing a number on your arm if you refuse.
The vaccines will contain a new microchip that the Illuminati has been developing in the same labs that they created the Wuhan Bat Flu and will interact with the 5g towers made by Huawei and ZTE that have been making people SUPER sick over the past few months and have been the actual cause of what they've been attributing to Covid 19 deaths.
How come you've never heard of Covid 1 through 18? For the same reason you have WD-40 and not WD 1 through 39, it took them 18 failed attempts to get the bio weapon perfected before sending the current version of the Wuhan Bat Flu out into the world.
The masks serve as a sign to the corrupt government underbelly that is conspiring to undermine the president since impeachment didn't work on who they can and can't control. The non-sheeple who refuse to wear a mask will be hunted in the streets after their guns are all confiscated.

... or some shit like that

[gbaby2089]

Fuck your mask. Were living under the shadow of tyranny. Ill take covid over your shitty demands any day. You have no idea how anything works

I agree.

Trump trying to delay elections like the Chinese gov't in Hong Kong.
Trump sending federal troops to kidnap people in major cities throughout the US.
Trump trying to kill USPS/absentee voting & somehow convincing his cult of followers that it is something the DNC would rig (Heads up, Republicans in NC are the clearest voter fraud case in years)
Trump removing protections to bring housing segregation back up even higher.
The US gov't has been supporting genocide & dictators around the globe because they're not 'communists.'
The US tortured prisoners
The US has the world's largest prison population
The US doesn't provide certain groups with the same protections under the law that its Constitution demands it does (14th Amendment)

Yeah man.

Masks are the real tipping point.

[zombiewolf513]

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[RalliartRsX]

It's just a mask now. Wait and see what happens when Bill Gates gets his way and they start going door to door and mandating vaccines and tattooing a number on your arm if you refuse.
The vaccines will contain a new microchip that the Illuminati has been developing in the same labs that they created the Wuhan Bat Flu and will interact with the 5g towers made by Huawei and ZTE that have been making people SUPER sick over the past few months and have been the actual cause of what they've been attributing to Covid 19 deaths.
How come you've never heard of Covid 1 through 18? For the same reason you have WD-40 and not WD 1 through 39, it took them 18 failed attempts to get the bio weapon perfected before sending the current version of the Wuhan Bat Flu out into the world.
The masks serve as a sign to the corrupt government underbelly that is conspiring to undermine the president since impeachment didn't work on who they can and can't control. The non-sheeple who refuse to wear a mask will be hunted in the streets after their guns are all confiscated.

... or some shit like that


Don't you trample on ma 2A rights!!! Unless you are carting away black folks/folks against racism, then fuck it, its cool and I am a little bitch anyways

The best part?? A 1% government arsenal will literally obliterate every single gun owner in a matter of mins...

But, ma rights!! Fuck you and your shit!! Ma fucking rights!! I have the right to affect ANY AND EVERYONE!! Ma rights!!!

Or some snow flake utopian shit like that....

Best part, he is from AZ.....where they have been hit particularly hard for this very reason....not obeying social distancing and mask wearing. Two very simple asks to allow things to open back up Now?? Its'c all crashing down becuz #MAFUCKINGRIGHTSSS!!!!!!

Am I doing this "right"???

[zombiewolf513]

My body my choice :)

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Ben Franklin was an IDIOT amirite?

[KA24DESOneThree]

It's amazing how loud and how proud dumb motherfuckers are getting.

I worked in my steel building (ambient temp got to about 92 degrees at my house) from 10-6 on Saturday, and my godson came by so I wore a mask the whole time. No one compelled me, but concern for my godson (and my grandmother, who he sees often) led me to do so.

You don't have a right to be a fuckwad. It's a fucking mask, you goddamn ingrate. Wear the motherfucker because it may save another human being.

If you were any denser you'd generate your own fucking gravity.

[zombiewolf513]

Come and make me, pussy.

[KA24DESOneThree]

The pussy in this situation is the person concerned about their effect on the people around them?

If that's so, I embrace my folds because you lack both the warmth and the depth.

[zombiewolf513]

Thats what i thought. Baby back little bitch

[gbaby2089]

It's amazing how loud and how proud dumb motherfuckers are getting.

I worked in my steel building (ambient temp got to about 92 degrees at my house) from 10-6 on Saturday, and my godson came by so I wore a mask the whole time. No one compelled me, but concern for my godson (and my grandmother, who he sees often) led me to do so.

You don't have a right to be a fuckwad. It's a fucking mask, you goddamn ingrate. Wear the motherfucker because it may save another human being.

If you were any denser you'd generate your own fucking gravity.

YEP.

The pussy in this situation is the person concerned about their effect on the people around them?

If that's so, I embrace my folds because you lack both the warmth and the depth.

Yep.

Thats what i thought. Baby back little bitch

You're whining about your inability to handle a 1 oz piece of cloth on your face. Sit down.

[zombiewolf513]

Just keep that cuck mask on your face until your masters tell you to remove it. Which i hope is never because your masters are right, were tired of hearing the absolutely dumbshit vocal minority. Ill enjoy breathing like a free person. Want to stop me? Come and try it. You talk so much shit about AZ until you get the offer for a free ass whooping lol fuckin pathetic little pussy

[KA24DESOneThree]

Do you think you're going to what... entice me to drive to AZ to put a mask on a grown man who's throwing a shitfit about having to actually think about the people around him?

Isn't it amazing that a bunch of Russians can fool a bunch of Americans into thinking that they're thinking for themselves and advancing the cause of liberty? Isn't it amazing that there are a bunch of Americans so self-centered and vapid to think that they're thinking for themselves while they're being played like the puppets they are?

You like having those strings pulled, don't you? It makes the decision easier, doesn't it? You don't have to admit that you might be hurting other Americans- you thought it was advancing the cause of freedom! You're just doing what they told you to do!

"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid."

“Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are.”

“Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn.”

All of the above were Benjamin Franklin too. He wasn't defending liberties so that you can remain ignorant.

[zombiewolf513]

my point still stands. If you want to demand i follow your orders, come and try it. Otherwise shut the fuck up because i dont care what you think about me, anyway. Theres no arguing with someone who thinks russia elected an american president. Dumbasses think an insignificant cough killing the old through DIRECT CONTACT is worthy of destroying the country and civil liberties for. How the fuck does a FAKE mask stop transmission through direct contact? It doesnt. The mask is so you sheeple have someone to blame for the deaths instead of your own fucking governers for letting chinese fly in non-stop all over the country when it was exploding. Stupid fuck. By the way, people are willing to fight and die for your liberty to be a stupid fuck. Fuck outa here with that researched ass response lol

[mr.nismo.]

my point still stands. If you want to demand i follow your orders, come and try it. Otherwise shut the fuck up because i dont care what you think about me, anyway. Theres no arguing with someone who thinks russia elected an american president. Dumbasses think an insignificant cough killing the old through DIRECT CONTACT is worthy of destroying the country and civil liberties for. How the fuck does a FAKE mask stop transmission through direct contact? It doesnt. The mask is so you sheeple have someone to blame for the deaths instead of your own fucking governers for letting chinese fly in non-stop all over the country when it was exploding. Stupid fuck. By the way, people are willing to fight and die for your liberty to be a stupid fuck. Fuck outa here with that researched ass responseNo one needs to force you to do anything. If you don't care, then you don't care. You're broad brushing the mask wearing though. Its an action that can help prevent spreading a disease, but it's a trade off. Your inconvenience of wearing a mask is shit compared to someones possibility of dying catching it.

You follow plenty of other "orders" on a daily basis, what about this one is so bad? You can say that they'll just keep tacking on more shit, but there's a line that people will draw...

Also, this thread should be civialy debatable as everyone has different opinions on how this should be handled. Everyone telling each other to shut the fuck up is pointless. Flexing those keyboard muscles is also showing why the fuck everyone is so separated as it is, and can't have a simple conversation.

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[S14rebuild]

I imagine the opinions of people who think plandemic was legitimate would hold more weight here if not for the countries the world over who did listen to the experts and have since seen their countries NOT going to shit, while America is busy pissing and moaning because their constitutional right to yell at an Applebees waitress is being violated.
It seems we need some more high profile people to go the Herman Cain route of ridiculing the whole thing and then paying the ultimate price before this shit gets taken seriously. Yes, I am making light of the death of someone who could have saved himself had he not decided to play politics. I am also willing to go to his grave and write "fucked around and found out" in Sharpie if given a chance and time to do so.


Some would say those very rights are what make America the home of the free!

[zombiewolf513]

1)You follow plenty of other "orders" on a daily basis, what about this one is so bad? You can say that they'll just keep tacking on more shit, but there's a line that people will draw...

Because were already down the slippery slope and my line is drawn. Obviously "face coverings" stop SOME exhalated particulates, but when combined with the general misuse of masks and the rest of americans SHIT hygene habbits its useless and im tired of 'new normal' rhetoric and DEMANDS for compliance being rammed down our throats. This only ratchets one direction until the bolt strips and people will end up being hurt worse than corona would have ever been. Just look at the state of social discorse ffs

2)it was a civil and cheeky conversation until someone who i wont name got butthurt from an innoccuous 'no u' joke and members screaming JUST WEAR THE FUCKING MASK REEEEE

[mr.nismo.]

1)You follow plenty of other "orders" on a daily basis, what about this one is so bad? You can say that they'll just keep tacking on more shit, but there's a line that people will draw...

Because were already down the slippery slope and my line is drawn. Obviously "face coverings" stop SOME exhalated particulates, but when combined with the rest of americans SHIT hygene habbits its useless and im tired of 'new normal' rhetoric and DEMANDS for compliance being rammed down our throats. This only ratchets one direction until the bolt strips and people will end up being hurt worse than corona would have ever been. Just look at the state of social discorse ffs

2)it was a civil and cheeky conversation until someone who i wont name got butthurt from an inoquous 'no u' joke and members screaming JUST WEAR THE FUCKING MASK REEEEE

I agree about the hygiene big time. People are fucking disgusting. You can keep yourself free from coming in physical contact with all of that, but you can't avoid the air you breath around others. If the mask is useful in any way and doesn't do anything detrimental to me, then fuck it, I'll wear it. That's why on the other end of the spectrum, shutting down is detrimental because then I can't work and provide for myself.

I also agree with economic impacts of this. From even the standpoint of our skewed numbers, it doesn't make sense what were doing. If the media reported on numbers from flu, heart disease, cancer, etc people would freak the fuck out. Hence why shutting down is going to "flatten the curve" but the cost (no pun intended) is also worth talking about (financial loss, suicide, etc). Risk assessment should be up to individuals, not the government.

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[zombiewolf513]

Risk assessment should be up to individuals, not the government.

I agree. The individual and their doctor. Theres schedules that can be made to allow the vulnerable to access public spaces with limited exposure. But thats not whats happening. And thats where healthy individuals having their rights impeded need to say "stop". The same people complaining about feds vanning people are begging big daddy government to put a muzzle on everyone and stuff them in their crate. Its DIZgusting

[KA24DESOneThree]

Last night, I found out someone close to me has pulmonary fibrosis, which was likely exacerbated by exposure to COVID-19 in late February. The long-term prospects are grim without a lung transplant.

He's on oxygen. He gets winded walking from the sofa to the bathroom. Sucks.

"my point still stands. If you want to demand i follow your orders, come and try it. Otherwise shut the fuck up because i dont care what you think about me, anyway."

You are confused here. I don't give a shit about you. I don't think about you other than you being a selfish prat. I think about everyone your selfishness may influence and I worry about them. People like you may expose people close to people I'm close to, and those people might die.

"Theres no arguing with someone who thinks russia elected an american president."

If you want to talk about the influence of foreign malefactors on American social media and conservative blogs, we can have that discussion in the Trump thread.

"Dumbasses think an insignificant cough killing the old through DIRECT CONTACT is worthy of destroying the country and civil liberties for."

See, now here's where you show exactly how little you know. I'll give you multiple links so you can learn.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/how-covid-spreads.html

https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus-transmission-overview#1

https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/how-is-coronavirus-spread

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-health/2020/06/13/asymptomatic-spread-coronavirus-catch-covid-19/3177058001/

"How the fuck does a FAKE mask stop transmission through direct contact? It doesnt. The mask is so you sheeple have someone to blame for the deaths instead of your own fucking governers for letting chinese fly in non-stop all over the country when it was exploding. Stupid fuck. "

If you cannot answer this based on the links I provided above, then you may be beyond redemption. However, for those who might be interested:

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html

"By the way, people are willing to fight and die for your liberty to be a stupid fuck. Fuck outa here with that researched ass response lol"

I apologize that I researched my response. You see, an informed person is more likely to make informed decisions. You utter inane twaddle like it means something.

"1)You follow plenty of other "orders" on a daily basis, what about this one is so bad? You can say that they'll just keep tacking on more shit, but there's a line that people will draw...

Because were already down the slippery slope and my line is drawn. Obviously "face coverings" stop SOME exhalated particulates, but when combined with the general misuse of masks and the rest of americans SHIT hygene habbits its useless and im tired of 'new normal' rhetoric and DEMANDS for compliance being rammed down our throats."

See above. Mask usage is not useless; your response and general demeanor is useless.

"This only ratchets one direction until the bolt strips and people will end up being hurt worse than corona would have ever been. Just look at the state of social discorse ffs"

Ending up dead or with permanent lung scarring seems pretty fucking bad. The state of social discourse is such because morons seem to think they have the right to determine who lives or dies. If I can reduce the possibility I transmit an infection I don't know I have by simply wearing a mask, I will do so. I wear a mask at my shop specifically for that reason- not to protect me, but to protect the people around me from me. Because I care about them, and because a little discomfort is worth it for me.

"I agree. The individual and their doctor. Theres schedules that can be made to allow the vulnerable to access public spaces with limited exposure. But thats not whats happening. And thats where healthy individuals having their rights impeded need to say "stop". The same people complaining about feds vanning people are begging big daddy government to put a muzzle on everyone and stuff them in their crate. Its DIZgusting"

Have you gone to a town hall in your town/city? Have you brought this up, and have you heard the counterpoints? No, you're just spouting the same echo chamber gibberish about "mah rights." Have you talked with your doctor about not wearing a mask in public?

You're talking about your rights and you're just sitting there picking the smallest, pettiest battle you can fight because it gives you some semblance of agency and then you scream "but the slippery slope" like anyone other than your fellow small, petty people will give a flying fuck at a rolling donut about your rude, selfish ass.

[zombiewolf513]

You just want someone to blame. Thats ok.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Nah dude, I don't want someone to blame. I started picking on you before I heard about it, because you're an ignorant lout.

I wanted to point you in the direction of information. You see, when someone who is ignorant is pointed in the direction of information and refuses to utilize that information, they transition from ignorant to stupid. They're professing that knowledge and scientific consensus isn't enough for them. They're professing that they know better (despite a total lack of education on the subject), and that their further actions without precaution are because they only care about themself (and even then, if they truly cared about themselves, they'd wear a mask every time they interact with the public).

[Phlip]

A friend of mine, her father, her 8 year old niece and one of her sisters all tested positive after an aggressive onset of symptoms.
They apparently most likely got it from her other sister who works at the hospital and is asymptomatic.
I am torn between "if they would stop testing people we wouldn't have so many cases" and being perfectly fine with staying home until someone(s) in charge dislodges their heads from their asses.

Besides, I spend less money not leaving my house. I always eat home cooked meals now and the amount of gas I am NOT burning for the few times I DO leave spares me money to buy toys and watches and stuff.

[dbeiler]

They apparently most likely got it from her other sister who works at the hospital and is asymptomatic.


This a big peeve of mine. We put all this energy into testing, distancing, etc yet when it comes to wearing masks and distancing in your household? Nah it's cool bro. Hang out with your sister. Take your son for a walk in the park. Eat breakfast with your mother.

THIS HAS TO STOP. If we aren't following the exact same outside of household guidelines inside the household, the entire household will test positive after one does. This is a huge reason for skyrocketing case numbers.

If I have to wear a mask whenever I'm within several feet of my coworkers (so literally all day), YOU need to wear a mask when you're watching TV with your kid. I spend more time around my coworkers than you do around your kid/parent/sibling. If you aren't wearing one around your family/household/GF/BF, you better check your mask guilting.

[S14rebuild]

So where a condom when u jerk off at home too...u know just encase of incest....



Who the fuk is wearn a mask sitn on there couch at home? Can we get a vote/poll added tk the thread ease

[Phlip]

How long do vaccines usually take to develop?
Anyone ever seen the movie I Am Legend?

[rvns14]

Everyone here is overestimating how many people, even ones with serious, diagnosed medical issues, have doctors. Whether you are for the Affordable Care Act or not, people without health care don't have doctors and so they can't discuss with their doctor if they are in a high risk group for susceptibility to covid's worst symptoms (if people can't wear masks properly, realize they can't themselves determine if they are in a high risk group). Removing the funding (mandate) for ACA is fine if there is a new option, which at the moment, there is not (a new hc plan is at this point, 5 years in the making on the republican side). More people have been laid off so even employer sponsored plans are decreasing. October is going to see greater layoffs so even less medical coverage.

[KA24DESOneThree]

You're expecting people who call it the "Chinese cough" to have the compassion and self-awareness to understand that our health care system is inequitable. They don't. They don't take it, or anything else that's not affecting them at this moment, seriously. They cannot see the forest for the trees.

It's the danger of small-mindedness, and of getting news and information from an echo chamber of illogic and of distrust in science.

The US is 17th in terms of economic freedom in the world. Singapore is number one and has a universal healthcare system combined with private-sector healthcare that is universally regarded as exceptional both in terms of overall population health and in terms of value per dollar. We can have our cake and eat it too, but the government needs to be intelligent and not bought and paid-for by lobbyists. For the government to be intelligent, the people need to be intelligent and well-versed. In order for the people to be intelligent and well-versed, the education system needs to be robust and work in conjunction with interested and involved parents and/or social programs where parents are working or lacking.

[zombiewolf513]

It's the danger of small-mindedness, and of getting news and information from an echo chamber of illogic and of distrust in science.


https://youtu.be/P2Uk-uoQKQA

[rvns14]

You're expecting people who call it the "Chinese cough" to have the compassion and self-awareness to understand that our health care system is inequitable. They don't. They don't take it, or anything else that's not affecting them at this moment, seriously. They cannot see the forest for the trees.

It's the danger of small-mindedness, and of getting news and information from an echo chamber of illogic and of distrust in science.

The US is 17th in terms of economic freedom in the world. Singapore is number one and has a universal healthcare system combined with private-sector healthcare that is universally regarded as exceptional both in terms of overall population health and in terms of value per dollar. We can have our cake and eat it too, but the government needs to be intelligent and not bought and paid-for by lobbyists. For the government to be intelligent, the people need to be intelligent and well-versed. In order for the people to be intelligent and well-versed, the education system needs to be robust and work in conjunction with interested and involved parents and/or social programs where parents are working or lacking.


Whether or not people acknowledge it, to be born (or become a citizen) of the US is to accept that while a large government system can utilize efficiency and resource allocation to solve issues on an unmatched level in human history (Apollo Moon Mission, Panama Canal, etc.), culturally, we elect to use this sparingly because we have a culture of self (if this sounds anti individualism, its not); your success is built on the back of your work. To accept this is to accept that some people, for a number of reasons will not be successful, some will always be undeserved and will flounder thought life. I disagree with not wearing a mask, but as long as the individual who chooses not to accepts all the consequences, its his right not to be asked to.

I feel bad for the medical professionals (some in my family) and the low wage workers who are forced to go to work by unsympathetic circumstances/bosses (who are often minorities) and to them I encourage them to assess what in this country they like and if they are really ready to accept the bargain that is apart of living here. For the rest, hold tight and hope that people extending the pandemic see the light but protect yourself.

[KA24DESOneThree]

zombiewolf, I appreciate you linking an example of illogic for the audience; you're very helpful.

Also, no- you don't get to not wear a mask because it's "your choice." Not wearing a mask increases the possibility that both you and the people around you could get COVID-19. If the anti-masker was the only person at risk, I wouldn't have a problem with it- but they're not. Anyone they talk to, anyone within a (more than six-foot) radius has an increased chance of infection if they're around someone who isn't wearing a mask.

How can you not see this?

[zombiewolf513]

Did you even watch it?

[rvns14]

zombiewolf, I appreciate you linking an example of illogic for the audience; you're very helpful.

Also, no- you don't get to not wear a mask because it's "your choice." Not wearing a mask increases the possibility that both you and the people around you could get COVID-19. If the anti-masker was the only person at risk, I wouldn't have a problem with it- but they're not. Anyone they talk to, anyone within a (more than six-foot) radius has an increased chance of infection if they're around someone who isn't wearing a mask.

How can you not see this?

I wish they were smarter, I really do, but that is a fantasy. Any ask of them from any point of authority, even if its using plain logic, is too much of an ask. My uncle lives a couple of miles for me, he will be voting for Trump and I respect that he told me and he is exercising his rights. I haven't seen him since March of 2017 and dont see why I would need to in the future. He also doesn't wear a mask.

[zombiewolf513]

Also, no- you don't get to not wear a mask because it's "your choice."

Lol ok slaver

[Dutchmalmiss]

Lol ok slaver

What does "slaver" have to do with anything? Just give a fuck about your loved ones and wear a mask. It's literally not a political/racial matter. It's a courtesy matter for the sake of "covering all your bases."

[zombiewolf513]

What does "slaver" have to do with anything? Just give a fuck about your loved ones and wear a mask. It's literally not a political/racial matter. It's a courtesy matter for the sake of "covering all your bases."

For everyones safety, please identify yourself while outdoors with a swastika armband so we know to stay away from you, you dangerous nazi.

[Dutchmalmiss]

For everyones safety, please identify yourself while outdoors with a swastika armband so we know to stay away from you, you dangerous nazi.

Haha I asked you a sane question hoping for an intelligent answer. That exact response says way more about you than anything.

[zombiewolf513]

Theyre virtually the same statements.

What good are all these protective measures if theyre causing people to lose their jobs and have literally no food on the table. What are you gonna do for my parents who have lost everything because of your insane measures? Ill send you my paypal addy via pm so you can help them from your altruistic high horse

[Dutchmalmiss]

Let's make it simple. I'm only talking about a mask. How does a mask cause job loss?

[zombiewolf513]

Because it doesnt stop at the mask. Not to mention that personally if a business refuses me bc i dont have a mask i dont give them my business. Read the fucking thread.

[Dutchmalmiss]

Because it doesnt stop at the mask. Not to mention that personally if a business refuses me bc i dont have a mask i dont give them my business. Read the fucking thread.

See you're already riled up from my simple question. You probably don't wash your hands after taking a piss either.

[S14rebuild]

The numbers are all fugde up anyways.... if u really look into this..the numbers are slighty over the 2017 flu season.

Not to mention when does the coronavirus season end? Cause last i check we "reset" the death toll every season for the flu

[KA24DESOneThree]

It doesn't stop at the mask because it cannot stop at the mask. We need to shut down in order to reduce the transmission rate and give the infected time for the virus to either pass or to be hospitalized and removed from social contact.

But it has to stop at the mask. We cannot shut down because it means people will be laid off with no ability to pay their bills, their rent, and will lose their healthcare. It means power will become further consolidated in the hands of a few.

We're in this tremendous catch-22, which is why wearing a mask is so goddamn important. If everyone wears a mask, we reduce the transmission rate without shutting down. Don't you understand? We not only wear the mask because it's the right thing to do, because we're caring about our neighbors, but because it's the only way we can reduce the transmission rate heavily without shutting down.

Social distancing helps, but not on the level that wearing a mask does. 6ft is nothing when cough or sneeze droplets travel much farther, or when it's more than the distance from one side of a supermarket aisle to the other.

If you think it's a slippery slope, it's literally the opposite. If you wear the mask, it slows. We don't shut down, because transmission rates trend downward.

[Dutchmalmiss]

https://img.ifunny.co/images/9d64e73ef1d020ee40e2b216e404355f71645e1765fd223c53 7e2dedf4ba879a_1.jpg

[S14rebuild]

https://img.ifunny.co/images/9d64e73ef1d020ee40e2b216e404355f71645e1765fd223c53 7e2dedf4ba879a_1.jpg

That "meme" whatever u call it, is a horriable example. Who cares if he doesnt where a net/mask/protection. His choice

Coronavirus is about one person infecting others.

If anything ud blame the bee keepers for purposely opening the box, when they dam sure knew someone near was not protected properly...

[Dutchmalmiss]

That "meme" whatever u call it, is a horriable example. Who cares if he doesnt where a net/mask/protection. His choice

Coronavirus is about one person infecting others.

If anything ud blame the bee keepers for purposely opening the box, when they dam sure knew someone near was not protected properly...

Yeah probably not the best example. Point I was trying to make is if more people participate in wearing masks, less people are at risk.

[zombiewolf513]

Choosing not to wear a mask means i dont follow basic hygiene? Telling you to read the thread so im not repeating arguments makes me riled up? Youre in a dogmatic religion and have no sense of self awareness. I dont care, but i really do wish california would bust off the mainland and sink into the ocean.

[Dutchmalmiss]

Choosing not to wear a mask means i dont follow basic hygiene? Telling you to read the thread so im not repeating arguments makes me riled up? Youre in a dogmatic religion and have no sense of self awareness. I dont care, but i really do wish california would bust off the mainland and sink into the ocean.

You keep proving you're riled up. I'm current with this thread, but you're not current with human decency. It's quite entertaining while you're cursing at me and calling for the state I live in to sink. Please hurl more this way. I didn't get your paypal yet by the way.

[zombiewolf513]

Okay well youre only proving my point that your klan only wants to ensure its own dominance by any means necessary. Even if youve gotta lie to yourself to get there. Just like Mao, just like the Nazis, just like the "progressives". Youll see.

[rvns14]

Choosing not to wear a mask means i dont follow basic hygiene? Telling you to read the thread so im not repeating arguments makes me riled up? Youre in a dogmatic religion and have no sense of self awareness. I dont care, but i really do wish california would bust off the mainland and sink into the ocean.


And take the US economy with it? Also, enjoy having nothing to eat that isnt rice, chicken/cow or a wheat product.

[zombiewolf513]

https://nypost.com/2020/08/13/9-11-tribute-in-light-memorial-canceled-amid-covid-19-concerns/

Looks like 9/11 came early this year.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Okay well youre only proving my point that your klan only wants to ensure its own dominance by any means necessary. Even if youve gotta lie to yourself to get there. Just like Mao, just like the Nazis, just like the "progressives". Youll see.

Refute my sources. Provide peer-reviewed documentation that masks do not help reduce the transmission of COVID-19.

You are accusing the CDC and WHO of lying, so let's see some adequately researched evidence to the contrary.

I will absolutely change my views if you can provide substantive evidence that we are being misled. You still refuse to change yours despite evidence given to the contrary. I will include some links I did not share previously:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext#%20

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2

https://gh.bmj.com/content/5/5/e002794

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30675-9

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.17.20069567v2.full.pdf

Until then, your self-righteous bloviating is all fiction, no fact.

[zombiewolf513]

You wouldnt believe evidence if it buttfucked you

[KA24DESOneThree]

You wouldnt believe evidence if it buttfucked you

Pot: You're black!

Kettle:

[zombiewolf513]

kettle: disingenuous, gaslighting hypocrite that doesnt understand that masks dont exist in a vacuum

[KA24DESOneThree]

Okay dude, let's get something straight here: I've provided link after link to peer-reviewed studies, links to CDC and WHO information, and you've provided fuck-all with the exception of opinion.

You're gaslighting yourself.

You're the one who's disingenuous.

Prove yourself right, that's all I ask. Prove I'm lying, and that you're right. There are millions of people like you who think that wearing masks is unnecessary- someone somewhere must have some proof.

[S14rebuild]

Pot: You're black!

Kettle:

Thats racist

[zombiewolf513]

thats the thing. Im not trying to prove YOU wrong. You want me to try to prove wrong organizations with agendas whom youve already decided are infalable. Again, you wouldnt believe evidence if it came up and butt fucked you. You arent even making points, just posting propaganda like the NPC you are. Youve completely ignored my many posts in detailing my reasoning and instead gaslighted with "you dont think masks are effective whatsoever on their own in lab tests". Youre a total moron.

[KA24DESOneThree]

For my benefit, I suffered through this thread from the beginning. "Am I missing something about zombiewolf? Did I jump to conclusions?" I thought to myself.

Your first post in this thread is telling people to stay home if they don't want to be around people who don't wear masks. Then you say you're not spreading anything- did you get tested? Then you reference our "masters."

Then you bring up "pushing up the limits of uncostitutional compliance." What aspect of the Constitution are you referencing?

Then you refer to it as a "scamdemic." See my question about getting tested- most people who don't believe in a pandemic don't get tested and therefore know nothing about their status. It's not much of a scam to people in healthcare.

Then you say this, and I think it's a real gem:
"Just wear the "face covering" *if we call it a mask we'll be sued for giving misleading medical advice*
Just stop going to church
Just stop going to work
Just stop your kids from having any resemblance of socialization
Just stop your kids from getting an education
Just inflate your currency
Just give up your guns
Just defund the police
Just let them spy on you

Its all just so easy isnt it. Just remember that once you all paint us into a corner, dont pretend like you werent holding the brush."

If we all wear masks, we can go to church sooner. If we all wear masks, kids can socialize sooner. If we all wear masks, kids can get an in-person education sooner.

Then it goes off the rails- what do masks have to do with inflation, gun confiscation, the police or spying?

You showed your cards, dude. Once again, I'm going to say: this is your agency (agency in this case being used as "exertion of power"). Your lazy ass decided that masks are the hill to die on because it's easy. Because there are people on your side who share your views. All you have to do is not wear one. Some protest. Some act of defiance. We are all truly impressed at your bravery.

I have been telling you, over and over, that we wear a mask because we care about this country. We wear a mask because we care about the people around us. We wear a mask so we can protest inflation, so we can go shooting, so we can reform the police, so we can gut the USA PATRIOT act and wear its fucking skin while we put on our lipstick in the mirror and talk dirty to ourselves. It's not because they tell us to- it's because we're smart and caring enough to want to protect ourselves and make ourselves better.

You aren't making sense- you think you're shooting truth bullets but they're dum-dums. And you're shooting them indiscriminately, because anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a librul, a sheep, someone dominated, someone the deep state has their tendrils in, an NPC. The truth is that we agree on a lot but you've been too convinced I'm someone I'm not to listen.

I'll leave you with this, because I think you've earned it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU

[zombiewolf513]

That was a lot of words for saying nothing at all

[S14rebuild]

for my benefit, i suffered through this thread from the beginning. "am i missing something about zombiewolf? Did i jump to conclusions?" i thought to myself.

Your first post in this thread is telling people to stay home if they don't want to be around people who don't wear masks. Then you say you're not spreading anything- did you get tested? Then you reference our "masters."

then you bring up "pushing up the limits of uncostitutional compliance." what aspect of the constitution are you referencing?

Then you refer to it as a "scamdemic." see my question about getting tested- most people who don't believe in a pandemic don't get tested and therefore know nothing about their status. It's not much of a scam to people in healthcare.

Then you say this, and i think it's a real gem:
"just wear the "face covering" *if we call it a mask we'll be sued for giving misleading medical advice*
just stop going to church
just stop going to work
just stop your kids from having any resemblance of socialization
just stop your kids from getting an education
just inflate your currency
just give up your guns
just defund the police
just let them spy on you

its all just so easy isnt it. Just remember that once you all paint us into a corner, dont pretend like you werent holding the brush."

if we all wear masks, we can go to church sooner. If we all wear masks, kids can socialize sooner. If we all wear masks, kids can get an in-person education sooner.

Then it goes off the rails- what do masks have to do with inflation, gun confiscation, the police or spying?

You showed your cards, dude. Once again, i'm going to say: This is your agency (agency in this case being used as "exertion of power"). Your lazy ass decided that masks are the hill to die on because it's easy. Because there are people on your side who share your views. All you have to do is not wear one. Some protest. Some act of defiance. We are all truly impressed at your bravery.

I have been telling you, over and over, that we wear a mask because we care about this country. We wear a mask because we care about the people around us. We wear a mask so we can protest inflation, so we can go shooting, so we can reform the police, so we can gut the usa patriot act and wear its fucking skin while we put on our lipstick in the mirror and talk dirty to ourselves. It's not because they tell us to- it's because we're smart and caring enough to want to protect ourselves and make ourselves better.

You aren't making sense- you think you're shooting truth bullets but they're dum-dums. And you're shooting them indiscriminately, because anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a librul, a sheep, someone dominated, someone the deep state has their tendrils in, an npc. The truth is that we agree on a lot but you've been too convinced i'm someone i'm not to listen.

I'll leave you with this, because i think you've earned it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1vxamejru

words! Loud words!!!

[Phlip]

Someone who works directly with my brother in law tested positive, so me and my wife's whole family had to go and get tested.
(all negatives in my house)

Then

Went to my daughter's school to get her books and school-issued laptop they insist she use. Now a day later, they email parents to make us aware that people who came to the school for this purpose MAY have come into contact with a kid who has tested positive despite kids being immune.
Luckily we were the first ones in and out of the fucking school by design (and the fact I had to work) and came into contact with none of those unwashed little fucking crotch goblins.

[S14rebuild]

^these stories arent unique anymore... there will always be situations like this till a vaccine is made, or humans become immune to it.
There is ALWAYS risk leaving the home. Its just what co.es with living in todays world. For me, its just that a risk. My wife works in the healthcare scene, im not worried nor is she. We wear masks because its mandiated everywhere u have togo. If it wasnt i know id probly not wear one. My kids stay home and im ok with that. Weve all been tested all negative.

Ive had an uncle, cousin test postive and have no symptoms. My grandmother is in a nursing home, 83yrs old and has tested postive for 11 weeks straight and shows no symptoms either.

Ii use hand sanitizer when its presented to me and time to time i catch myself not touching random things. I just live with the fact this is life for now and just fine with it

[Phlip]

Three summer trips cancelled.
I really only leave the house for supplies, to run in the park around the corner and for weekly custody exchange of my daughter with my ex.

But

We've been ordering in like crazy.
I have used the money I am not spending on gas and occasional lunches on things like new watches and sneakers and such. I noticed that I have two orders for three watches from AliExpress in the air right now. My wife is going to murder me when she discovers three MORE new watches after the one she bought me for Fathers day and the two I got myself. I will remind her that my office is in the front of the house and I'm the one who deals with the dogs when the Amazon man comes every day, sometimes two or three times a day.
When I die, "complications from Covid 19" will be the cause.

[SupaDoopa]

Because my state is SOMEWHAT open, I haven't actually stopped working although a part of me wishes I did. People who got 'laid off' for a few weeks were making similar money to me and my ass was vulnerable at work because we are essential. Real essential - not that made up shit so the ownership doesn't go lose all sorts of money.

[zombiewolf513]

Saw some masker in the grocery store today pull down his mask and blow a snot rocket onto the floor. In the grocery store. Why is it that its the people wearing masks I see do this type of shit?

[FaLKoN240]

Saw some masker in the grocery store today pull down his mask and blow a snot rocket onto the floor. In the grocery store. Why is it that its the people wearing masks I see do this type of shit?

Just because he/she wears a mask doesn't mean they have proper hygiene or manners.

They may or may not have consideration for other people by wearing a mask though.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Saw some masker in the grocery store today pull down his mask and blow a snot rocket onto the floor. In the grocery store. Why is it that its the people wearing masks I see do this type of shit?

It's called confirmation bias. You consider mask-wearers to be "slavers," members of a "klan," and "nazis," so you're looking for anything to confirm that they're assholes.

[Corbic]

It's called confirmation bias. You consider mask-wearers to be "slavers," members of a "klan," and "nazis," so you're looking for anything to confirm that they're assholes.Well they are at least stupid as shown by the entire cottage industry of decorative bacteria incubators.

[lewisfk]

Mask or no mask,I just need this shit to be over ASAP. I have 60 days before I retire from the military, and my only certification is as a Personal Trainer. People are scared to come back to the gym regardless of the health precautions we put in place. The gym is sprayed down with Clorox/ bleach three times a day and people still freak out. Everyone must wear a mask while in the gym and we social distance on the cardio equipment. I need a vaccine like yesterday or a proven treatment.

[Corbic]

https://youtu.be/P1FUMdHU29c

[zombiewolf513]

It's called evidence. You consider mask-wearers to be "slavers," members of a "klan," and "nazis," so you're looking for anything to confirm that they're assholes.

Fixed That For You.