Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) Thread

[Phlip]

Donald Jr and Andrew Giuliani test positive for Covid.
They're just having an awesome November

[Future240]

That's what the media wants you to think. The media is fake news. North Korea is a wonderful place.

Pretty sure you were just made a mod at reddit/r/pyongyang

Donald Jr and Andrew Giuliani test positive for Covid.
They're just having an awesome November

No sweat bro. They will just inject some disinfectant, have a few bleach cocktails to wash back the hydroxychloroquine pills and be just fine.

[Phlip]

No sweat bro. They will just inject some disinfectant, have a few bleach cocktails to wash back the hydroxychloroquine pills and be just fine.

A dude on my Twitter timeline put a TackLight up his ass for three days and was popping bleach tabs for a week and still caught it.
I am not sure how safe these guys are.

[zombiewolf513]

How much longer do I have to not wear a mask for you all to get infected?

[mr.nismo.]

Did you listen to it? Did you also note the scripted nature of his speech? The fact that his camera was turned off? Glitches on other screens? Seems mighty suspect to me.

Regardless of his argument, washing your hands and wearing a mask isn't going to hurt you, so why not just do it anyway? For a bunch of people who always complain about how much "snowflakes" complain, y'all sure complain a lot :rofl:



On the economic front, numerous sheriffs and chiefs across the country have said they won't be enforcing JACK SHIT as far as Covid-related restrictions and fines are concerned. Curious to see how the insubordination plays out as I Christmas shop at local stores and order food from local restaurants from the comfort of my sofa.

Perfect example of why these lockdowns shouldn't be happening. Crazy to me that my dictator governor (Newsom) is doubling down after losing in court recently. No less after being caught violating everything he preaches. I've unfortunately seen more and more posts of people losing their businesses with this second sweep of lockdowns. It's bullshit. Life is inherent of risk, and you should be making your own choice of it. I think if you want to go out, you should be able to. Mask up, keep from other people as you can. If you don't want to, then you don't have to, like this guy. People who don't want to go out will do that of their own choice (rightfully so), no need to make an ordinance for it.

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[mr.nismo.]

Some of ya'll think the election was rigged to favor biden without zero proof. Meanwhile all the proof on earth talking about how serious covid is, and ya'll think it's a sham.Not zero. There's been a lot of impropriety. Way past margins of error and a higher number physically. But this also the largest participation of any election as well. The issues happen to hurt Trump's count, so it looks like it. I don't think there's enough of it to change the results, but you can't say there's no proof of anything.

Covid is serious, that's why people who want to go out should mask up and distance as you can. Those who want to stay home, can choose to do so.

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[zombiewolf513]

https://www.factsnotmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/defeated-fascism-begin-lockdowns-768x401.jpg

[!Zar!]

If only the right spent more time social distancing, and less time crying about lockdowns, we'd be out of lockdown.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/protestors-streets-california-bash-newsoms-curfew-orders.amp

Droves of people out together, protesting lockdown, while at the same time doing exactly what is keeping us in lockdown.

[mr.nismo.]

If only the right spent more time social distancing, and less time crying about lockdowns, we'd be out of lockdown.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/protestors-streets-california-bash-newsoms-curfew-orders.amp

Droves of people out together, protesting lockdown, while at the same time doing exactly what is keeping us in lockdown.Ummmm... There were quite a lot of BLM protests not social distancing at all. Nor were the people celebrating the media announcing Biden winning. Literally random people sharing champagne with each other. That's an everyone being over the pandemic issue, not a left/right issue. Contrary to your belief, lockdowns drag it out longer, not make it go away quicker.

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[!Zar!]

Ummmm... There were quite a lot of BLM protests not social distancing at all. Nor were the people celebrating the media announcing Biden winning. Literally random people sharing champagne with each other. That's an everyone being over the pandemic issue, not a left/right issue. Contrary to your belief, lockdowns drag it out longer, not make it go away quicker.

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Not to derail too much, but BLM at its core was out for a human rights issue. Yes, I agree the end result is increased exposure.

My comment was towards the lockdown protestors out doing exactly what lockdown is trying to prevent.

[ronmcdon]

im not convinced its only a political issue either. CA is currently at over 4k cases per day. its predominantly a blue state. Los Angeles county, again mostly blue is recording highest numbers.

I think its down to individuals and not having the discipline to social distance for whatever reasons (large family gatherings, celebrating holidays, people going on dates etc). I’m not convinced with those factors, its anything politicians have much control over.

in CA the Dem governor got caught at indoor dining event with no social distancing and just recently closed down outdoor dining in many counties. to me thats just scapegoating an easy target. not a fan of the guy or the french laundry.

https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/11/18/newsoms-french-laundry-dinner-sparks-questions-about-definition-of-outdoor-dining-1337062

[mr.nismo.]

Not to derail too much, but BLM at its core was out for a human rights issue. Yes, I agree the end result is increased exposure.



My comment was towards the lockdown protestors out doing exactly what lockdown is trying to prevent.Agreed. There are people who want to justly protest the cause, then the fucks who want to loot/riot, and everyone in between the two. That end result is what's the issue. Again though, lockdown doesn't stop it. It doesn't even slow it in the sense the media is selling it to you. It just makes it longer for everyone to get it. We have no immunity. If you're exposed, you're most likely going to get it. Remember when the lockdowns were to prevent overloading the healthcare system? I was down with that. We didn't know what would happen, so we played it safe. Id be pissed too at people dying because they couldn't get care. However, that time long ago had past and we didn't come close to overloading. Then it changed to "stop the spread". You can't fucking stop it, so now what? Fuck everyone's livelihood when the statistical rate of survival is over 99% for everyone? There's no logical sense in that.

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[deolio]

So now what?

Well, now politicians pretend to have control of a populace that has been fed tweets undermining the credibility of government and media outlets for the last 4 years by putting people under a soft house arrest. In theory, it would work, but thanks to the federal government doing fuckall to support the people, and pandemic fatigue, it ain?t really doing jack shit.

It didn?t start out as a political issue, but it quickly became one, but now with it raging out of control, it?s clearly an everyone issue.

Basically we?re all just getting fucked from both ends by the perfect storm of anti-intellectualism and Mother Nature. Best bet is to stay home since that?s where you have the most control, but if you can?t, you can?t and your death shall be a monument to the success of capitalism. Thanks for playing. ?Throw ?em on the pile boys!?

[S14rebuild]

Gonna go out on a limb here and say a solid 60% of americans are gonna tell goverment officals to fuck off and not follow any shut-down/mask mandates

[ronmcdon]

hell government officials themselves arent following the rules.

lot of relatively capitalistic countries in asia are doing just fine. the more individualistic (if not less considerate) culture of the US is great overall. it just doesnt do so well when it comes to surviving a pandemic. nothing realistically can be done about that.

both the right and left arent responsible. theres just more blatant recklessness from the right and hypocrisy from the left.

[mr.nismo.]

Well, now politicians pretend to have control of a populace that has been fed tweets undermining the credibility of government and media outlets for the last 4 years by putting people under a soft house arrest. In theory, it would work, but thanks to the federal government doing fuckall to support the people, and pandemic fatigue, it ain?t really doing jack shit.




We have rights that are supposed to limit government control for a reason..

Trump pulled his likeliness credibility because he doesn't know how to shut the fuck up. Regardless, I personally don't care because his policies that actually affect us are what should be payed attention to. The media pulled their credibility because all they talk about is how terrible and mean and orange he is. With covid they emphasized every stupid thing he said (a fucking lot), but again, policy...

The soft house arrest will not stop the virus, it will just drag it out longer..

How did the fed government not support the states? Because they didn't do a top down mandate like other countries? That's not how it's supposed to work. States have their own rights and very different population densities to account for. That top down bullshit is how the stimulus checks were handled. While it was "fast", it was super disproportionate. As other support, there was bitching for ventilators and PPE. Guess what, everyone got their shit and in fact were sending ventilators back because there were too many. The Mercy and Comfort were also sent back because they weren't needed. So other than financial support and supplies, what else do you want from the fed government? Sweeping policies of lockdown? For financial support, current stimulus hold ups are faults of both sides. The senate is being stingy, but the house is also packing in shit that has nothing to do with covid support.






It didn?t start out as a political issue, but it quickly became one, but now with it raging out of control, it?s clearly an everyone issue.



Basically we?re all just getting fucked from both ends by the perfect storm of anti-intellectualism and Mother Nature. Best bet is to stay home since that?s where you have the most control, but if you can?t, you can?t and your death shall be a monument to the success of capitalism. Thanks for playing. ?Throw ?em on the pile boys!?

You're right, it didn't start as a political issue, but it did when vaccine/stimulus was being federally funded in an election year. Policies that are for the people and not the policy makers? Yeah it's going to get that way quickly. It was always going to get out of control. The transmission of this virus is too easy to "lockdown". I don't blame the way everything was handled in March. We didn't know shit. What we know now though, totally different story.

Your view is very black and white. You're basically saying "stay home and don't get sick, or you can go out and die". That's not how that works.. like at all. If your risk assessment is to stay home, go for it. Monument to capitalism? How about free will to make risk assessment for yourself.

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[!Zar!]

Gonna go out on a limb here and say a solid 60% of americans are gonna tell goverment officals to fuck off and not follow any shut-down/mask mandates

Where do you get your 60% number from?

[deolio]

^Probably the same place zombie gets his news from

The soft house arrest will not stop the virus, it will just drag it out longer..

How so?

How did the fed government not support the states? Because they didn't do a top down mandate like other countries? Sweeping policies of lockdown?

Correct. We've been over this in previous pages.

The transmission of this virus is too easy to "lockdown". I don't blame the way everything was handled in March. We didn't know shit. What we know now though, totally different story.

Now is a different story, yes. Now it's been so poorly mismanaged that it's spiraling out of control. Their best chance at stopping it was this summer. Now they're just in damage control mode until a vaccine is ready to be deployed.

Your view is very black and white.

Apologies, I was being satirical :wiggle:

[mr.nismo.]

How so?







Because we have no immunity to this. Locking down doesn't stop it, it just pauses the spread time. Every time we let up, it will resurge, like how it started to now. So either we do a lockdown/letup merry go round until we get herd immunity (this will take a long time), or lockdown till we vaccinate into herd immunity (this will also take a long time). For the US, the above methods are impractical because it cannot be financially supported.







Now is a different story, yes. Now it's been so poorly mismanaged that it's spiraling out of control. Their best chance at stopping it was this summer. Now they're just in damage control mode until a vaccine is ready to be deployed.




Okay, but mismanaged how? Because we didn't do nationwide lockdown at a federal level? Every variance of lockdown has not worked anywhere in the world with a major population. There's no "good plan" for this. There will always be trade offs in whatever you do.






Apologies, I was being satirical :wiggle:
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[mr.nismo.]

Where do you get your 60% number from?Probably here:

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/polling/nearly-60-likely-voters-believe-us-shouldnt-be-locked-down-again

But as another source not so far from that outlet's results:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/324146/americans-less-amenable-covid-lockdown.aspx

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[SupaDoopa]

I remember when this debate was backed by educational facts. Now it's just a pissing match. Sigh.

[deolio]

Because we have no immunity to this. Locking down doesn't stop it, it just pauses the spread time. Every time we let up, it will resurge, like how it started to now. So either we do a lockdown/letup merry go round until we get herd immunity (this will take a long time), or lockdown till we vaccinate into herd immunity (this will also take a long time). For the US, the above methods are impractical because it cannot be financially supported.

A good, albeit tedious read https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/10/it-s-been-so-so-surreal-critics-sweden-s-lax-pandemic-policies-face-fierce-backlash

The risk vs reward is very high. I surely wouldn't want to be the one responsible for people's death. In the end, to me, it boils down to life or money, but I realize I'm lucky enough to have the choice when may people do not.

Okay, but mismanaged how? Because we didn't do nationwide lockdown at a federal level? Every variance of lockdown has not worked anywhere in the world with a major population. There's no "good plan" for this. There will always be trade offs in whatever you do.

Because there has been zero leadership this entire time, zero responsibility, and zero plan for moving forward. They aren't even throwing out ideas like injecting bleach anymore. I'm not crazy about Biden's plan to lock shit down tight (I don't think it'll fly anyway), but at least it shows more leadership than brushing off all your problems onto your lackey while you go play golf. You're right though, there is no good plan, "unprecedented times" and such... but trying something and failing is better than running away from your problems. Gotta keep trying until something works.

[S14rebuild]

Soo where are the limited edition zilvia.net masks at?

Should come in the color of ur rep! Username embroidered on it.

Id pay $100 for solid stitching

[!Zar!]

Probably here:

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/polling/nearly-60-likely-voters-believe-us-shouldnt-be-locked-down-again

But as another source not so far from that outlet's results:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/324146/americans-less-amenable-covid-lockdown.aspx

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The second survey seems more believable as it looks to be closer in line with the voting results. Overall I'm not a fan of statistical results being posted up as one can manipulate data to prove a point.

As I've said before, people who voted for Biden did so for two main reasons. 1. He wasn't Trump. 2. They felt Biden's policies (mainly around covid) would lead us forward.

Soo where are the limited edition zilvia.net masks at?

Should come in the color of ur rep! Username embroidered on it.

Id pay $100 for solid stitching

I think a MAGA facemask with Trump's dick where the mouth is would be a hot seller.

[zombiewolf513]

but trying something and failing is better than running away from your problems. Gotta keep trying until something works.

>Implying lockdowns aren't running away from your problems.

Enjoy your corporate sharia law.

https://i.ibb.co/2qqn3vX/1605569197437.jpg

[deolio]

>Implying lockdowns aren't running away from your problems.

Enjoy your corporate sharia law.

You took everything I wrote and that was the best you could come up with for an attempt at a witty retort?

Please go back and try again with something that isn't completely devoid of reading comprehension.

[S14rebuild]

The second survey seems more believable as it looks to be closer in line with the voting results. Overall I'm not a fan of statistical results being posted up as one can manipulate data to prove a point.

As I've said before, people who voted for Biden did so for two main reasons. 1. He wasn't Trump. 2. They felt Biden's policies (mainly around covid) would lead us forward.



I think a MAGA facemask with Trump's dick where the mouth is would be a hot seller.


True MAGA followers dont wear masks........

[zombiewolf513]

You took everything I wrote and that was the best you could come up with for an attempt at a witty retort?

Please go back and try again with something that isn't completely devoid of reading comprehension.

:zombie: Sorry I couldn't package it in your mainstream propaganda form for you :zombie:

BTW you do this really weird thing where you basically just repeat what someone said to you the week before. No wonder why you ride the MSM rails and your contradictory opinions change like the wind. Something for you to think about.

You failed to prove me wrong, anyway, so...

[deolio]

:zombie: Sorry I couldn't package it in your mainstream propaganda form for you :zombie:

BTW you do this really weird thing where you basically just repeat what someone said to you the week before. No wonder why you ride the MSM rails and your contradictory opinions change like the wind. Something for you to think about.

You failed to prove me wrong, anyway, so...

Do you get a dollar every time you say mainstream media? If so, I’m pretty sure I’m entitled to 50%.

I’d be curious to see if this is true, but based on your propensity to make false claims I don’t think it’s worth my time to investigate. Feel free to cite your sources though.

Prove what wrong? You’re always asking me to prove things that don’t need explanation. The sky is blue, gravity works, there are 24 hours in a day, whiskey is good, and your skull is the densest element known to man

[zombiewolf513]

I’d be curious to see if this is true, but based on your propensity to make false claims I don’t think it’s worth my time to investigate. Feel free to cite your sources though.

this was hard to remember from earlier in the day



Prepare to take part in the worlds largest human trial of an experimental drug ever.

Remember that package of potato burqa's I posted a little while back with the Emergency Use Authorization notice on it? Your impending vaccine shot will have the same label. Have fun turning your bodies into AIDS factories.

[!Zar!]

Prepare to take part in the worlds largest human trial of an experimental drug ever.

Remember that package of potato burqa's I posted a little while back with the Emergency Use Authorization notice on it? Your impending vaccine shot will have the same label. Have fun turning your bodies into AIDS factories.

The testing and effects to the human body is much more thorough than the testing we had on Agent Orange and the effects of those living in and deployed in Vietnam.

shrug

[SupaDoopa]

Yeah. The testing is more thorough than the vaccines of polio or TB or the shit we send to third world counties to try to mitigate the massive death tolls. America is a big, bad wolf. We're only taking in PR and the Dominican so we can use their islands for genetic testing on jellyfish.

[zombiewolf513]

*shrugs in guinea pig*

Prepare to take part in the worlds largest human trial of an experimental drug ever.

Remember that package of potato burqa's I posted a little while back with the Emergency Use Authorization notice on it? Your impending vaccine shot will have the same label. Have fun turning your bodies into AIDS factories.

someone too afraid to just say it publicly left this rep saying:

facts exist. tinfoil hats dont disprove them. FSM > Science > God

Any reason why you don't care to share your "facts"?

that FSM > Science thing was funny tho

[zombiewolf513]

Say hello to bread lines NM:

https://i.imgur.com/Oo1eXBt.jpg

[!Zar!]

Closure is a preventative measure to slow the spread.

The NM article looks to be a only be a system in place to react once it's too late.


Most everyone with a smart phone has the ability to turn on covid tracking. But they feel the government wants to spy on them and see they're at McDonalds at 2am.

[SupaDoopa]

Closure is a preventative that puts businesses in a bad position of continuing being able to operate.
Closure is a preventative that doesn't really mean shit because of outgoing and incoming traffic that doesn't give a fuck.
Closure doesn't mean shit unless everyone complies and we live in a day in age where the kilburns and RSX's will sit here and whine that they can't go out and get their Supreme sneakers so they'll support 'peaceful' rioting because some fucking drug addict shit head got blasted for doing stupid shit that further complicated shit.


We could easily fix the problem but then what would you fucking pussies complain about?

[!Zar!]

Way to bring up a topic which had zero to do with what we were talking about.

You certainly know how to prove a point.

PTSD much?

[S14rebuild]

[QUOTE=!Zar!;6401680]Way to bring up a topic which had zero to do with what we were talking about.
/QUOTE]

Black kettle!

[zombiewolf513]

X its just a bug in China, keep the borders open
X its just unmarked, mass graves in China with a hospital built on top
X its just toilet paper
X its just 'non-essential' workers
X its just 2 weeks to slow the spread
X its just money printer go BRRRRRR
X its just a mask
X its just church
X its just a year, kids' mental health will be fine
X its just to track who your acquaintances are
X its just the freedom to go out at night
X its just the freedom to travel interstate
X its just the freedom to see your family
X its just the schools
X its just lists

(you are here)>its just the grocery stores

>its just another lockdown
>theyre just refugees
>its just a job
>its just a shot
>they're just guns
>its just civil unrest
>its just "Papers, please"
>its just socialized medicine
>its just another shot
>its just a social credit score
>its just a quarantine camp
>its just communism
>its just a reeducation camp
>its just an implant for contact tracing to keep you safe
>its just unmarked graves with a wind farm built on top
>这只是你的国家




SCOTUS sides with religious groups in NY:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/26/us/supreme-court-coronavirus-religion-new-york.html



Nothing makes me want to commit to a $100 Trillion 'plan' that upends everything, like a 'it could work bro.'

Don't come crying for a universal debt forgiveness plan when youre trying to power your city with potatos and the last of the pennies from your artificial coin shortages

and heeeeres yer siiign:

VHRkkeecg7c

[SupaDoopa]

Way to bring up a topic which had zero to do with what we were talking about.

You certainly know how to prove a point.

PTSD much?


Literally responded to a sentence you posted in the previous post. Are you actually huffing the vaporized ball sweat of President-elect Bidenphile?

[!Zar!]

... some fucking drug addict shit head got blasted for doing stupid shit that further complicated shit.


Literally responded to a sentence you posted in the previous post. Are you actually huffing the vaporized ball sweat of President-elect Bidenphile?

Is you stupid or is you dumb?

Let it be known, I didn't vote for Biden. I voted against Trump.

But to you it's the same.

[S14rebuild]

But to you it's the same.


Correct...black or white

[zombiewolf513]

Let it be known, I didn't vote for Biden. I voted against Trump.

But to you it's the same.

You're right it's not the same. What you're saying is that you're voting for a pedophile and his policies, but you don't want to take responsibility for the outcome.

[ixfxi]

If only the right spent more time social distancing, and less time crying about lockdowns, we'd be out of lockdown.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/protestors-streets-california-bash-newsoms-curfew-orders.amp

Droves of people out together, protesting lockdown, while at the same time doing exactly what is keeping us in lockdown.

boo hoo... those pesky rights, never following rules n shit.

by the rule makers who tell us that we cant go to the beach, or setup curfews, or restrict businesses from you know - staying in business. waaaaah if only people would just follow rules, this virus would just go away! go away virus, go away!

hahaha

[mr.nismo.]

Is you stupid or is you dumb?



Let it be known, I didn't vote for Biden. I voted against Trump.



But to you it's the same.Did you vote against Trump's personality, or his policies? I ask because I understand not personally liking him, but his policies are what actually affect you.

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[S14rebuild]

Did you vote against Trump's personality, or his policies? I ask because I understand not personally liking him, but his policies are what actually affect you.

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Lol.........

[mr.nismo.]

Lol.........Can you elaborate on your lol?

Lol

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[S14rebuild]

Can you elaborate on your lol?

Lol

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Sure...all these fools hate trump. Thats it. Theyd vote for chicken fucking if it was a means to remove trump from office.

Not policy

[!Zar!]

Did you vote against Trump's personality, or his policies? I ask because I understand not personally liking him, but his policies are what actually affect you.

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Picking a president to me involves ones policies and ones character. I disagree with many aspects regarding both with Trump.

[S14rebuild]

Picking a president to me involves ones policies and ones character. I disagree with many aspects regarding both with Trump.


As being the leader of north Korea. Trump is ur best friend. How could u?

[mr.nismo.]

Picking a president to me involves ones policies and ones character. I disagree with many aspects regarding both with Trump.I can respect voting against policy if you disagree with it. As being the leader of north Korea. Trump is ur best friend. How could u?Lmaooo

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[zombiewolf513]

Picking a president to me involves ones policies and ones character. I disagree with many aspects regarding both with Trump.

Which policies do you disagree with?

[S14rebuild]

Which policies do you disagree with?

All of them cause they are TRUMPs policys lol

Come on u ready know the answer

[mr.nismo.]

All of them cause they are TRUMPs policys lol



Come on u ready know the answerNah, let him say his position. In general I hear most people say "I just don't like him", but a few have actual differences of opinion.

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[S14rebuild]

^^^sir, can i intrest you in a good read?
https://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=669059

[!Zar!]

Which policies do you disagree with?

Covid handling (lack there of)

Not believing in climate change - pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord.

His talks about improving the economy are based on how well the stock market is doing. This isn't an accurate representation as to how the general population is doing.

His approach to racial issues.

[zombiewolf513]

What could he have done differently about COVID, specifically? The other three aren't policies.

>in b4 masks
that's going to fall on deaf ears

[Green Arrow]

Joe Biden recently released his plan of attack on covid, and it was just another time he plagiarized. It was everything Trump has already done. Zar wants to act intelligent, but its his childishness that we all see

[S14rebuild]

Joe Biden recently released his plan of attack on covid, and it was just another time he plagiarized. It was everything Trump has already done. Zar wants to act intelligent, but its his childishness that we all see


U should change ur name to red arrow.... rep is destroyed lol

Most will not listen to biden period. They will say fuck is plan, stay at home orders, masks.

[mr.nismo.]

Covid handling (lack there of)





One of the first things he did was stop travel from china and he was called a xenophobe (by Biden even) for it..

It's so easy to Monday quarterback after the fact. If he locked everything down in February, people would've freaked the fuck out. That still doesn't stop that it's been here since November.






Not believing in climate change - pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord.




The Paris Accord isn't binding, that's the problem.



His talks about improving the economy are based on how well the stock market is doing. This isn't an accurate representation as to how the general population is doing.




This is true, however you can base it off consumer spending. Or off polls of people saying they are better off than they were four years ago





His approach to racial issues.

What policies are systemically racist? There are racist people for sure (anyone can be racist, just to clear that up), but what approach do you disagree with?

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[S14rebuild]

One of the first things he did was stop travel from china and he was called a xenophobe (by Biden even) for it..

It's so easy to Monday quarterback after the fact. If he locked everything down in February, people would've freaked the fuck out. That still doesn't stop that it's been here since November.



The Paris Accord isn't binding, that's the problem.


This is true, however you can base it off consumer spending. Or off polls of people saying they are better off than they were four years ago



What policies are systemically racist? There are racist people for sure (anyone can be racist, just to clear that up), but what approach do you disagree with?

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Gonna say, dont waste ur breath. Hes not gonna listen to u

[ixfxi]

i can sum it up for you guys....

zar is a fucking douchebag.

[S14rebuild]

i can sum it up for you guys....

zar is a fucking douchebag.

Do u care to share more of this?

[!Zar!]

First off - I appreciate you for actually engaging in dialogue, and not acting like a general ass-hat.

One of the first things he did was stop travel from china and he was called a xenophobe (by Biden even) for it..

Trump was (and still) calling it the "China Virus". This is where Biden's xenophobic comment came from.

It's so easy to Monday quarterback after the fact. If he locked everything down in February, people would've freaked the fuck out. That still doesn't stop that it's been here since November.

The nationwide ban was only for non US citizens who had been in China within the last 14 days and were not immediate family member of US citizens or/and permanent residents. I agree, it's easy to Monday quarterback, but Trump admitted to knowing the importance and danger covid would bring. His lax natures were to avoid people panicing/worried.


The Paris Accord isn't binding, that's the problem.
True, but overall, Trump doesn't believe in climate change, and feels it's something used to hamper Americans from living free.


This is true, however you can base it off consumer spending. Or off polls of people saying they are better off than they were four years ago
Consumer spending vs saving? I see your point, and any further debate on this would ultimately result in a stalemate of valid points.



What policies are systemically racist? There are racist people for sure (anyone can be racist, just to clear that up), but what approach do you disagree with?

Some to name are:

Resending protection to transgender people.

His "Muslim ban".

Repealing the Affordable Care Act.

Tax breaks which benefitted the wealthy, and in turn increases the disparity between minorities and the majority.

Supporting the slash of legal immigration.

[!Zar!]

i can sum it up for you guys....

zar is a fucking douchebag.

Cry on, grandpa.

Wipe your tears with the three million dollars Trump spent to give Biden more votes.

[S14rebuild]

First off - I appreciate you for actually engaging in dialogue, and not acting like a general ass-hat.

We all started there....

[Phlip]

We all started there....

Note the sentiment Zar stated beginning his response to Mr.Nismo is EXACTLY what two people said when explaining precisely how one can respond and not see themselves immediately trashed. It isn't the disagreement, rather being an insufferable douche missile.

[S14rebuild]

Note the sentiment Zar stated beginning his response to Mr.Nismo is EXACTLY what two people said when explaining precisely how one can respond and not see themselves immediately trashed. It isn't the disagreement, rather being an insufferable douche missile.

By all means scroll thru the pages in these loud noises and see where i joined in... i contributed and acted "civil". Once the waters were poised we all went down. Wag ur finger at me, sure.... but im not the one to start it.

[zombiewolf513]

i can sum it up for you guys....

zar is a fucking douchebag.

^Called it

[ixfxi]

Trump was (and still) calling it the "China Virus". This is where Biden's xenophobic comment came from.

True, but overall, Trump doesn't believe in climate change, and feels it's something used to hamper Americans from living free.

Some to name are:

Resending protection to transgender people.

His "Muslim ban".

Repealing the Affordable Care Act.

who gives a fuck if he calls it the chinese flu. never heard of german measles? is it a crime to call a mexican a mexican? if the shit originated from china, whats the problem? we have to be politically correct about a virus or is it gonna catch feelings too? people of color? get outta here with that pc bs

climate change, another fantastic way to push agendas and get the government to micro-manage businesses. as if we dont have any problems. cant chrome shit in the US, cant paint, cant buy solvents. the shit they sell today is straight garbage and up having to re-do work because of sub-par materials. or, offshore the shit and give it to some other poor fucked up nation to do.

cry the river for the transgendered, another 1% of society of people who cant figure out the difference between what they have and what they want.

or the extreme muslims who have no problem blowing shit up. (not to be confused with the nice muslims, let me clarify).

or the non-affordable health care act that penalizes humans for being alive, forcing you to have shitty health insurance. all for one, one for all. sounds great.

Cry on, grandpa.
Wipe your tears with the three million dollars Trump spent to give Biden more votes.

i think you're actually older than me. but unfortunately, not as smart.

haha the funniest shit about all this, is it took NUMBER TOO... obama's crony, to pander and say "if you aint for biden you aint black." or democrants kneeling in african garbs. i guess they need to bust out the sobreros for the next latino who gets killed. blame it on cops and bad policy, but i cant imagine how anyone can look at this pandering and say "yeah im down with that."

all of these politicians are straight full of shit. just like zar.

[!Zar!]

It's okay cutie, you haven't learned how to care for others yet.

Over here typing up a diatribe for what you could've said in one sentence.

Your definition of "smart" is self centered.

[mr.nismo.]

First off - I appreciate you for actually engaging in dialogue, and not acting like a general ass-hat.

Of course. I love actual debate.




Trump was (and still) calling it the "China Virus". This is where Biden's xenophobic comment came from.



The nationwide ban was only for non US citizens who had been in China within the last 14 days and were not immediate family member of US citizens or/and permanent residents. I agree, it's easy to Monday quarterback, but Trump admitted to knowing the importance and danger covid would bring. His lax natures were to avoid people panicing/worried.
.

While it sounds trashy saying it on national tv, it is factual it came from China. Just like how practically everyone here has probably pointed out a China turbo. Is it xenophobic to say that as well? It's just a different setting since this virus involves the world, and not a bunch of random fucks on Zilvia. I know what press conference you're referring to. However, the first mention of xenophobia was a tweet by Biden the day after the travel ban. Not direct about the ban, but why else would that be tweeted the day after? The last part about avoiding a mass panic isn't something neither you or I can honestly comment on. I understand both sides of that. As much as he makes his choice, Trump had everyone and their mom in his ear about the pros/cons of setting mass panic. Regardless of it being one case at the time.


True, but overall, Trump doesn't believe in climate change, and feels it's something used to hamper Americans from living free.



Yes/no. He's gone back and forth on it. I've seen quotes from it's mythical, to maybe there's some human interaction but how much is natural/manmade, etc.. in regard to the Paris Accord it was specifically about the US throwing money at something non-binding, and where the other biggest polluters had made no commitment. Only recently did China make one.



Consumer spending vs saving? I see your point, and any further debate on this would ultimately result in a stalemate of valid points.

I can agree with this. Just wanted to add my biggest point is that's even with the Covid economy, current data/polls are still positive.



Some to name are:

Resending protection to transgender people.

His "Muslim ban".

Repealing the Affordable Care Act.

Tax breaks which benefitted the wealthy, and in turn increases the disparity between minorities and the majority.

Supporting the slash of legal immigration.

The issue is a slippery slope as is though. The civil rights act is meant to protect you based on things you have absolutely no control over. To give those same protections to someone who made themselves that way legally opens up a lot of shit. Say if a white man truly felt they were a black man. He goes through a skin pigmentation change and identifies as a black man. Socially people would go what the fuck, but legally, wouldn't that fall into the same concept as a trans person? I know that's an extreme example, but I hope my point makes sense. I agree there should have been something else in place for specific trans gender anti-discrimination before just repealing the rule. That fucks them over in the worst medical setting of our time.


Tax breaks were for everyone, not just wealthy. Sure the numbers are bigger when you talk about more money, but relief is relief. Also, trickle down economics makes a big difference to the minority as well. If you relieve money to corporations, they can pass some savings to the consumer and/or reinvest in their employees (which I personally benefited in all three ways). Trickle down economics works both ways though. So when Biden talks about high taxes for the wealthy and large corporations, who do you think that hit gets passed onto? (Hint: it's us, the consumer)


I'm not a fan of the ban either, can't argue that one. It doesn't personally affect me, but I'd be super fucking mad if my family was separated from me because of where we come from. I think a better way to go about it is to go more hardcore with our customs screenings. From what I know, those fucks will get way up in your shit. I don't like our immigration system in general either.

I didn't like the ACA, especially the tax for not having it. So stupid. My position is the same as the trans repeal. A new program needed to be made before repealing. I am annoyed that I pay into state sponsored insurance (and a million other California fucking programs I will never benefit from), while I also pay for my private insurance. If we go universal, it needs to be based on your needs and your use for what you pay. It'll be a logistical nightmare, but can be done. I would not support a flat tax rate to pay for it.

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[zombiewolf513]

That was a lot of time wasted arguing against news headline gaslighting.

Zar's self righteous, loud mouth ego still thinks wearing a napkin on his face makes him Jesus Christ. I'm sure with his Crocs on he could even walk on water!

[KA24DESOneThree]

The average American family has a net worth of $102,700. The median family, however, has a net worth of $52,700.

The top 1% of American families have a net worth of $10,374,030.10. The median family, however, has a net worth of $10,700,000. The cutoff income for a family to enter the top 1% is $531,020 per year. Assuming they scrimp and save 50% of that amount per year, they'll reach the median net worth in 40.3 years of work.

That $10,700,000 is 101 times the average net worth and 203 times the median net worth.

It would take more than 8.3x the median family's net worth to buy the average home in Sacramento. It would take less than 1/24th the median 1%'s net worth to buy the average home in Sacramento. The average prescription drug? 1/110th for median family, 1/22,291th for 1%.

A $10,000 hospital stay would reduce the median family's net worth by nearly 20%. It would reduce the median 1%'s net worth by 0.09%.

It makes sense to put these numbers into percentages and fractions because it shows how wide the gulf is.

[S14rebuild]

The average American family has a net worth of $102,700. The median family, however, has a net worth of $52,700.

The top 1% of American families have a net worth of $10,374,030.10. The median family, however, has a net worth of $10,700,000. The cutoff income for a family to enter the top 1% is $531,020 per year. Assuming they scrimp and save 50% of that amount per year, they'll reach the median net worth in 40.3 years of work.

That $10,700,000 is 101 times the average net worth and 203 times the median net worth.

It would take more than 8.3x the median family's net worth to buy the average home in Sacramento. It would take less than 1/24th the median 1%'s net worth to buy the average home in Sacramento. The average prescription drug? 1/110th for median family, 1/22,291th for 1%.

A $10,000 hospital stay would reduce the median family's net worth by nearly 20%. It would reduce the median 1%'s net worth by 0.09%.

It makes sense to put these numbers into percentages and fractions because it shows how wide the gulf is.


So now poorer people are complaining about the rich? What eles is new

[zombiewolf513]

https://twitter.com/BlessUSA45/status/1334320582385692673

[zombiewolf513]

https://twitter.com/MayorOfLA/status/1334349032664154113

"It's time to hunker down. It's time to cancel everything. Don't meet up with others outside your household. Don't host a gathering. Don't attend a gathering."

*flies out of state to be with friends and family*

That's called leadership.

[RalliartRsX]

Mr. Nismo, so I take some issue with your "China Virus" comment.
Why; although it is "factual" the virus itself originated in China, that was NOT where the epicenter of outbreak was at the time of the ban.

China already had a "handle" on the situation PRIOR to trump's ban. However, that is not what is key. China already closed it's borders down long before trump. And in particular ground zero in Wu Han (I think I got the spelling right lol)

What is key is Europe had an EXPLISION in cases (I see you Italy). No travelers from ANY European region were denied entry into the US. That in of of itself, is a complete failure to realize the failure mode and address it as such. Everything else is a series of propopgating errors from the trump admin. Having your son in law/vice pres, both of which are non science degree, non medical, non experience in ANYTHING medically related, run the task force is, well, dumb as fuck....

So not only was trump's ban very much based of a racist rhetoric, he also got it entirely wrong in terms of implementation (as noted above by Zar) and mitigation.

He completely FUCKed the response to the virus. The timeline is out there. You have already heard the phone calls. Etc.

There is no denying that...

[SupaDoopa]

And you're assuming that China is making all of their information public and transparent? What on fucking Earth are you smoking? You think any communist country openly spews the information of their people to world leading competitors? No. They don't. This is how they revamp manufacturing so their internal loss as a country stops.

[zombiewolf513]

These people see racism in the bottom a toilet bowl

[!Zar!]

And you're assuming that China is making all of their information public and transparent? What on fucking Earth are you smoking? You think any communist country openly spews the information of their people to world leading competitors? No. They don't. This is how they revamp manufacturing so their internal loss as a country stops.

And Italy ?

[RalliartRsX]

Errrrr, SUpa the knowledge was made public earlier this year....

No one is assuming here......

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/hubei-timeline
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/timeline-ecdc-response
Of note:

On 23 January 2020, Wuhan City was locked down ? with all travel in and out of Wuhan prohibited ? and movement inside the city was restricted [8].

The city was on lockdown before this. The US admin had been well aware of this

On 22 February 2020, and over the following days, the Italian authorities reported clusters of cases in several regions (Lombardy, Piedmont, Veneto etc). During the following week, several European countries reported cases of COVID-19 in travellers from the affected areas in Italy, as well as cases without epidemiological links to Italy, China or other countries with ongoing transmission [12].

Cases reported in Europe prior to this cluster actually

So not sure what you are arguing here. All this information is available after 2 secs of searching........

The US has KEY tabs on China and was aware of ALL this well before Jan 23rd.

However, trump does NOT read his briefings or wants them read to him...The fucking president refusing to read, much less listen to his briefings, which had all the classified information in regards to the chain of events........

So again, tell me, where am I "assuming"??

Actually the timeline has been public for well over 7 months. If you cared instead of making your "own assumptions" maybe you would have realized this??

[SupaDoopa]

Italy isn't run by the communist party, sweetheart. They're actually proclaiming they are democratic. Unless you're simply confused how to check a nations website and asking me what the answer to that questionw as.



Earlier this year is not right now. This does not help us on current cases in compared to the rest of the world. So what you've essentially just done is disprove yourself by using data from a reliable source that ended in fucking April.

Real riveting stuff. You really showed me.

[RalliartRsX]

.........Ok Supa. Ok.

You need to go put your dick in some pussy and cool yourself off.

You said I made assumptions, I showed you the timelne, And now?? You are off the mark by talking about the Italian government.......which has no bearing on the fact that Italy was an epicenter and trump did nothing to ban travel from the... you guessed it

EPICENTER!

Done. Go get your dick wet and calm the fuck down....

[SupaDoopa]

You showed me an irrelevant timeline. Don't get pissed off because your stupid ass doesn't actually read half of the shit you send. You foam at the mouth to try to disprove people but the shit makes no sense. It's like me saying having a two-person picnic right now is more dangerous than snakes because some snakes are venomous. While you're right in one aspect, the two do not really corollate at all.

You can go back to the drawing board to paint pretty pictures [not to really do anything productive because we've been going on pretty long with this shit and you have still failed to provide anything relevant and revolutionary to any discussion other than shit that happened like... forever ago].

The other response wasn't to you, dipshit. It was to the other fucking idiot who was trying to insinuate because Italy USED to be communist, they SOMEHOW must be fucking with their numbers because China is STILL floating in communist waters. Italy is in the EU. They don't have the ability to muddy their results. This is why they're pretty accurate. Independent EU investigators are releasing this information.

Again, do some fucking leg work before you smash your keyboards covered in dry semen and cheetoh dust.

[RalliartRsX]

How is the timelibe irrelevant?

[SupaDoopa]

The 'timelibe' is irreverent because we're currently in December. China is reporting near-zero cases today in December where as every other country surrounding them has many, many, MANY more cases. Not even comparable. Do I really need to delve into how economics and business analysis comes into play when trying to globally prove that you're over a pandemic and can start shipping product and opening businesses again? So, see how I'm talking about today? Your 'timelibe' ends in April. I've attached a calendar to show you have many days we're removed from your informational cut off period. I made sure it was cute and fun so someone with your minimal mental capacity would still be able to understand how it works.

https://image.freepik.com/free-vector/cute-2020-calendar-template_23-2148361843.jpg

[RalliartRsX]

Who is talking about now? My entire discussion is around how this all began in dec 2019 to jan 2020

..........

Are you sure you did a dissertation? You can't even follow basic discussion.....

[RalliartRsX]

Why; although it is "factual" the virus itself originated in China, that was NOT where the epicenter of outbreak was at the time of the ban.

China already had a "handle" on the situation PRIOR to trump's ban. However, that is not what is key. China already closed it's borders down long before trump. And in particular ground zero in Wu Han (I think I got the spelling right lol)

We are talking about trump's ban in Jan 2020.

I have no clue where you are in your discussion, but it sure does not relate to whatever everyone else above id talking about

THIS is how I know you are incapable of reading.......and the red anger mist is 100% to blame

Sit back, breath and fucking read and chill

As I told you in the other thread; go get laid. Go take a walk, And just calm the fuck down.

[SupaDoopa]

If you're fixated on how it began, then you're not really watching on how where it's gone and where it'll continue to go and it's relevance to everything.

HIV originated in the Congo.
SARS originated in China.
Measles originated in Fiji.

Why are you worried about where they started rather than what is going on now? See now how what you're spewing from your virgin lips is irrelevant from the rest of the conversation going on here?

[RalliartRsX]

:sigh:

Ok dude. We are bound to repeat the same mistake if you do not recognize the past.

Hey look, I blew up my SR20 because I got a shit tune from tuner b.

What do you do?? You sure as hell recognize your mistake and make sure as hell to NOT make the same mistake again by going back to tuner b

THAT is the crux of this discussion. The past is VERY relevant to the discussion as because of trumps ineptitude, this thread is kicking, alive and we are going into ANOTHER lockdown..........


trump and his shitty admin is why we are where we are today. Vaccine or not.......

Just like everyone else who is calling it the "CHina Virus" is indeed FIXATING on where it began

Oh the irony. But here we are....

[mr.nismo.]

Mr. Nismo, so I take some issue with your "China Virus" comment.
Why; although it is "factual" the virus itself originated in China, that was NOT where the epicenter of outbreak was at the time of the ban.

China already had a "handle" on the situation PRIOR to trump's ban. However, that is not what is key. China already closed it's borders down long before trump. And in particular ground zero in Wu Han (I think I got the spelling right lol)

What is key is Europe had an EXPLISION in cases (I see you Italy). No travelers from ANY European region were denied entry into the US. That in of of itself, is a complete failure to realize the failure mode and address it as such. Everything else is a series of propopgating errors from the trump admin. Having your son in law/vice pres, both of which are non science degree, non medical, non experience in ANYTHING medically related, run the task force is, well, dumb as fuck....

So not only was trump's ban very much based of a racist rhetoric, he also got it entirely wrong in terms of implementation (as noted above by Zar) and mitigation.

He completely FUCKed the response to the virus. The timeline is out there. You have already heard the phone calls. Etc.

There is no denying that...

If you want to say that travel from Italy (or anywhere that had outbreaks) should have been banned as well, sure. But my comment was a reply to Trump being called a xenophobe for saying China virus. That's why I gave the China turbo example. His response of how he closed down is a separate issue. To your comment, saying that it's racially driven he banned travel from China only is reaching. Also, he did have Dr Birks (hope I'm spelling that right) and Dr Fauci. You can't just have medical professionals giving opinions, the economy is something you have to take into consideration.

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[RalliartRsX]

Although I agree the economy would have decimated regardless

The question is; for how long. We are into month 8 or 9 now. I would have gladly taken a shutdown for 2-3 months and gradually opening up in April to May with proper precautions in place as opposed to entering a second phase of shutdown. We are going to be well into 1.5 years before ANYTHING begins to show any signs of reopening

Damage is already done. We had monkeys manning the ship and well, here we are.....

And to your claim on Fauci and the experts recommended to trump to curtail travel from Europe, here, I will just let you read it for yourself and ask "why did trump single out only China"

https://factcheck.thedispatch.com/p/did-dr-fauci-disagree-with-trumps

The president’s comments contradict what both he and Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, have said in the past. During the April 13 coronavirus task force press briefing, Trump was asked if he and Fauci were “on the same page.” He responded: “Yeah, we have been from the beginning.” At the same press briefing, Fauci discussed how responsive Trump was to the recommendations made by the task force. After discussing the recommendations they made regarding mitigation, Fauci mentioned: “The travel [restriction] was another recommendation, when we went in and said, ‘We probably should be doing that.’ And the answer was ‘yes.’ And then another time was, ‘We should do it with Europe,’ and the answer was ‘yes.’ And the next time, ‘We should do it with the U.K.,’ and the answer was ‘yes.’”

China was not the only recommendation by the experts, but just one of the restrictions as recommended initially.

That's my point....

[SupaDoopa]

Although I agree the economy would have decimated regardless

The question is; for how long. We are into month 8 or 9 now. I would have gladly taken a shutdown for 2-3 months and gradually opening up in April to May with proper precautions in place as opposed to entering a second phase of shutdown. We are going to be well into 1.5 years before ANYTHING begins to show any signs of reopening

Damage is already done. We had monkeys manning the ship and well, here we are.....

And to your claim on Fauci and the experts recommended to trump to curtail travel from Europe, here, I will just let you read it for yourself and ask "why did trump single out only China"

https://factcheck.thedispatch.com/p/did-dr-fauci-disagree-with-trumps



China was not the only recommendation by the experts, but just one of the restrictions as recommended initially.

That's my point....

You would have taken a 2-3 shut down? What would you do for food? For supplies? For anything? People are still going to work and still interacting. Unfortunately the weak and sick will die as per every pandemic that's ever happened the young and strong will survive until the next one. The magic juice is out now so you can self-medicate in your bathroom with your lighter and tourniquet right before you fill yourself with smack.

[RalliartRsX]

Errrr, Amazon? PeaPod delivery by Giant?? Whole foods?? Or any produce delivery service that was operating at full capacity??
What rock have you been living in?? Produce and supply chain was figured out with the quickness. Everything else is just noise.


My grocery store was wide open during the pandemic as they installed new proper COVID 19 protocols.......we are 9 months in without an issue. I can easily get ANY supplies via amazon (we stocked up on masks as we saw the writing on the wall and I have boxes of latex gloves as I use them to work on the vehicles)

The above just highlights how inept the trump admin was at addressing this. If my local grocery store could figure it out, I expect the Fed Government to do the same....

[SupaDoopa]

Okay. So how are those people going to work? Fuel their cars? How many of those people are working together in the same facility? How many people touched the product that left the manufacturers facility and then got transported to it's next stop? How many different people are packaging and picking your food and goods? How many people does the driver interact with when delivering it? Maybe your small brain can't really process the fact that just because one person is bringing your shit that it wasn't touched a thousand times over. Now imagine if even ONE of those people got sick. Think of the amount of people that spreads to. Start the clock over again. So what are you accomplishing really with your little shut down? Shit. That's what.

Yes, you don't have AS MANY hands in the pot but fucking christ, look how many people handle your orders. Also, you must live under the rock because my grocery stores are fucking packed. Doesn't matter what you go get, it's nearly gone. People are bunkering down for another shut down that's about to happen in addition to Christmas. Best of luck if you think the small businesses that need this season to even survive will close without a fight.

[RalliartRsX]

Should have picked my words


A much more controlled shutdown.
And I have have harped on this before. The government works for the people. All those issues of a full shutdown? Adopt the European model

The government paid people directly through companies up 85% of thier salary. The government propped up businesses. And the government and everyone said wear mask and social distance

Because of becuz of idiots not being able to differentiate social help from the government from authoritarian socialism here we are

And because #marights here we are. The president literally made fun on Biden for wearing the largest mask 3 days before he contracted it himself

Need I say more....

[SupaDoopa]

Should have picked my words


A much more controlled shutdown.
And I have have harped on this before. The government works for the people. All those issues of a full shutdown? Adopt the European model

The government paid people directly through companies up 85% of thier salary. The government propped up businesses. And the government and everyone said wear mask and social distance

Because of becuz of idiots not being able to differentiate social help from the government from authoritarian socialism here we are

And because #marights here we are. The president literally made fun on Biden for wearing the largest mask 3 days before he contracted it himself

Need I say more....

So the government is going to pay people to sit on their ass like they did like last time for months and months? Then small businesses will lose employees again because they'd make more to sit at home and shovel chips in their gullets while playing video games instead of bringing you your ass paper and canned soda.

All your ideas on paper are great. The logistics and the fallout that will occur if any of those came into play would destroy the economy, small business and whatever bit of peace and sanity are left. You're putting a very, very, very, very, very, very small bandaid on something that is massive. It has nothing to stick to and will fix the problem for about .00000000545 seconds.

[mr.nismo.]

Although I agree the economy would have decimated regardless

The question is; for how long. We are into month 8 or 9 now. I would have gladly taken a shutdown for 2-3 months and gradually opening up in April to May with proper precautions in place as opposed to entering a second phase of shutdown. We are going to be well into 1.5 years before ANYTHING begins to show any signs of reopening

Damage is already done. We had monkeys manning the ship and well, here we are.....

And to your claim on Fauci and the experts recommended to trump to curtail travel from Europe, here, I will just let you read it for yourself and ask "why did trump single out only China"

https://factcheck.thedispatch.com/p/did-dr-fauci-disagree-with-trumps

China was not the only recommendation by the experts, but just one of the restrictions as recommended initially.

That's my point....

The travel ban for China was on Jan 31. Italy had 2 cases at that time. He didn't racially single out China. The data is what he made his decision on. March is when bans were enforced for countries in the EU where data showed outbreaks. The conference you linked about Europe was April 13, and per your quote, it sounded like they were definitely on the same page. It also sounds like that "why did he only single out China" question was pretty misguiding, as usual.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation-suspension-entry-immigrants-nonimmigrants-certain-additional-persons-pose-risk-transmitting-2019-novel-coronavirus/

It's literally on whitehouse site. When data showed high transmission, travel bans happened.
I'm failing to see where he racially singled out China, or that it was xenophobic to travel ban China on the 31st specifically. Or to call it the China virus, because factually it is from China. Just like how plenty of forum members make fun of other members who buy cheap China turbos and then are surprised about what happens. Hence why I used it as an example, and there were never any issues with that. Now however, everything is immediately absorbed through a racial and sensitivity screen, and is usually deemed racist.


To your shutdown, fuck that shit. I honestly (I do not want shit in regards to pitty, everyone has their problems. You want honesty, this is it.) had thoughts of suicide during end of March through April. Fuck. That. I rationalized it because we don't know enough about it and we need to learn more about it. Now? With what we know? Nooooope. I am a FIRM believer in individual risk assessment. I will not ever tell you what to do, but you can also kindly fuck off in trying to force me to do what y o u feel like we should do. Your situation may be cool for you to stay home for 3 months straight, but not everyone is in your situation. Keep the vulnerable protected, stay home if you're that worried about it, and let everyone else do their thing. It will work it's way though. It's shitty. But shut down is not the approach. WHO already said it's not. JHU had put out a paper in saying overall deaths have not increased, just numbers shifted from other categories into Covid. It got removed because it goes against the MSM narrative of locking up forever. Then, the retraction was reversed and has already been fact checked as true.

https://web.archive.org/web/20201126163323/https:/www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

Individual. Risk. Assessment.


Should have picked my words


A much more controlled shutdown.
And I have have harped on this before. The government works for the people. All those issues of a full shutdown? Adopt the European model

The government paid people directly through companies up 85% of thier salary. The government propped up businesses. And the government and everyone said wear mask and social distance

Because of becuz of idiots not being able to differentiate social help from the government from authoritarian socialism here we are

And because #marights here we are. The president literally made fun on Biden for wearing the largest mask 3 days before he contracted it himself

Need I say more....

And look where the EU is at? They recently passed the US in cases per capita. Deaths per capita are greater, but hospitals here have a monetary incentive to declare a covid death (back to the JHU article about numbers shifting categories). No lockdown has worked (in every iteration of it) in a country with a large population. You're not going to "control" it. You can "slow it" by restricting movement, but the second you let up, it comes back. So you want to do that merry go round until we vaccinate or naturally get into herd immunity? That's not economically doable. It just isn't...

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[zombiewolf513]

Errrr, Amazon? I can easily get ANY supplies via amazon

:tweak: sweet wealth transfer you got there, serf :picardfp:

You've got the facts so fucked up its not even funny.

[zombiewolf513]

Kim Jong Un Executes Coronavirus Rule Breaker (https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/11/27/939478095/north-korea-executed-coronavirus-rule-breaker-says-south-korean-intelligence)

It's all fun and games until someone gets shot at church

[ixfxi]

I will not ever tell you what to do, but you can also kindly fuck off in trying to force me to do what y o u feel like we should do. Your situation may be cool for you to stay home for 3 months straight, but not everyone is in your situation. Keep the vulnerable protected, stay home if you're that worried about it, and let everyone else do their thing.

preach on!!!

I keep saying it: Life is for the living

If you want to barricade yourself home, more power to ya. I'm gonna hit the beach and enjoy my life. People say that its selfish. Well, I call it survival of the fittest.

[zombiewolf513]

You racist assholes always calling it "Chinese food" . THATS RACIST. YOURE RACIST.

[mr.nismo.]

The other side of the coin that's not talked about...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/california-11-year-old-kills-himself-during-virtual-class-on-zoom-as-health-experts-warn-depression-is-increasing-amid-lockdowns

https://www.bioedge.org/mobile/view/euthanasia-as-an-option-for-canadian-nursing-home-patients-who-are-sick-of-lockdowns/13626

https://www.losangelesblade.com/2020/09/08/covid19-cdc-survey-26-of-adults-between-18-24-considered-suicide/

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[KA24DESOneThree]

It's talked about, but ~3k people a day aren't dying of suicide so it's a lesser issue. If we have 2018 levels of suicide this year, suicide death numbers will be approximately 20% of COVID-related death numbers.

[mr.nismo.]

It's talked about, but ~3k people a day aren't dying of suicide so it's a lesser issue. If we have 2018 levels of suicide this year, suicide death numbers will be approximately 20% of COVID-related death numbers.

No, it really isn't talked about. You get articles here and there, msm coverage is dry. Suicides are just a part of the other side of the coin btw...

I also would like to repoint out the JHU article in my last post in regard to deaths from covid.



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[!Zar!]

My company and many other have had a huge focus on mental health throughout this whole ordeal. I do feel at the county level, resources for mental health should have for all who need it.

Saying we should get rid of lockdown because of a related issue begins the argument of which is the lesser of two evils.

[mr.nismo.]

My company and many other have had a huge focus on mental health throughout this whole ordeal. I do feel at the county level, resources for mental health should have for all who need it.

Saying we should get rid of lockdown because of a related issue begins the argument of which is the lesser of two evils.

I will also refer back to the last long post I made. No iteration of a lockdown with a large population has worked. We've seen the results of that. Not everyone has a company to support them with their mental health. There are resources here in CA that the governor touts in his briefings, but rates are still going up.

Edit// forgot to add it's not just A related issue, but a shit ton of issues: suicide, depression, job loss, business loss, crushing debt, evictions, domestic violence...

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[!Zar!]

I will also refer back to the last long post I made. No iteration of a lockdown with a large population has worked. We've seen the results of that. Not everyone has a company to support them with their mental health. There are resources here in CA that the governor touts in his briefings, but rates are still going up.

Edit// forgot to add it's not just A related issue, but a shit ton of issues: suicide, depression, job loss, business loss, crushing debt, evictions, domestic violence...

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What would your proposed idea be to go about this?

[mr.nismo.]

What would your proposed idea be to go about this?Individual risk assessment. Protect the vulnerable population (elderly, co morbidities, etc). Open up economically while masking/social distancing. If your risk assessment is to stay home, it's your right to choose that. For those who asses they're okay with going out, can do so. Limit indoor capacities to 50% (including employees), while trying to take advantage of outdoor areas to try to get as close as possible to 100% of capacity income. Let the economy start to fix itself. With that, herd immunity will also set in. Both of which are going to take time. The first shut down already caused long term damage, but it can at least start to be relieved. I said in an earlier post (can't remember if it's here or presidential thread), shutting everything down and forcing people to stay home it's only for those who risk assessed that they're okay going out. You don't need a ordinance for people who risk asses to stay home, they'll do it themselves.

My fear living in CA is once we are on the other side of this, we are going to get taxed to death to recoup budget loss. Hopefully the French Laundry dinner Newsom had wasn't written off as a business expense.

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[KA24DESOneThree]

Individual risk assessment would work if individuals were fully aware of the risk.

They are not.

They have proven, time and time again, that they will not wear masks and do not fully believe in the veracity of studies and tests. They believe the government is feeding them lies, and that liars are feeding them truth. They believe what they want to believe, and they cannot adequately assess something they don't consider a risk at all.

What happens when an underinsured COVID-denier ends up with a million-dollar hospital bill? Who foots the cost of their stupidity?

Who pays the salary of someone who decided they're not okay to go out?

It's whose right to do what and when?

Ignorance cannot be fought with freedom. There's a friggin' bouncer at the door of a popular convenience store on Pala Reservation because too many people refused to wear masks.

Other countries are able to control the spread because their populace isn't chock full o' nuts.

[zombiewolf513]

Youre a special kind of authoritarian bitch boy, arent you?

[deolio]

With that, herd immunity will also set in

Did you read that article on Sweden I shared or nah? I?m gonna guess nah. Heard immunity only works if you?re willing to sacrifice everyone and anyone. One person takes a risk, we all take the risk. That?s the problem with these half measures. Either whole-ass it or no-ass it, no half-assing will suffice.

[mr.nismo.]

Individual risk assessment would work if individuals were fully aware of the risk.

They are not.

They have proven, time and time again, that they will not wear masks and do not fully believe in the veracity of studies and tests. They believe the government is feeding them lies, and that liars are feeding them truth. They believe what they want to believe, and they cannot adequately assess something they don't consider a risk at all.



So your logic here is that people are too stupid/choose not to to understand, so lock everyone down for it? That definitely makes sense.. Would you like to remove everything that causes harm to other people that's actually preventable as well? Say cars for example, since there's thousands of preventable deaths from DUI/distracted/reckless driving? If no one has cars, those deaths can't happen anymore, right? And if you're trying to scale it in numbers, the concept doesn't change. And even then, again, the JHU study I posted about the Covid numbers to total US deaths.


What happens when an underinsured COVID-denier ends up with a million-dollar hospital bill? Who foots the cost of their stupidity?


Taxpayers, like how that already happens here in CA for undocumented immigrants? I don't know about the rest of the country, but uhh, that's already happening, so no large change there.


Who pays the salary of someone who decided they're not okay to go out?

It's whose right to do what and when?



Government can help step in with that, along with employers. Set pay at current disability rates (I believe in CA it's 65% of your pay). That should be more than unemployment with the 300$ federal benefit that will expire as well. Then that would be much more than the unemployment alone. Like if you're declaring your risk assessment to your employer? Just like how you can claim long term leave of absence. That will be harder for "job" types of jobs than "career with benefits" jobs, but that would be an assessment with employers/employees and state laws (which are already in place for leave related to covid).




Ignorance cannot be fought with freedom. There's a friggin' bouncer at the door of a popular convenience store on Pala Reservation because too many people refused to wear masks.

.

This is true. But not everyone agrees with your mindset of "lock everyone down because of the stupidity of others making stupid choices".



Other countries are able to control the spread because their populace isn't chock full o' nuts.

Why did the EU recently have another wave?

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[mr.nismo.]

Did you read that article on Sweden I shared or nah? I?m gonna guess nah. Heard immunity only works if you?re willing to sacrifice everyone and anyone. One person takes a risk, we all take the risk. That?s the problem with these half measures. Either whole-ass it or no-ass it, no half-assing will suffice.When did you post it?

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[KA24DESOneThree]

So your logic here is that people are too stupid/choose not to to understand, so lock everyone down for it? That definitely makes sense.. Would you like to remove everything that causes harm to other people that's actually preventable as well? Say cars for example, since there's thousands of preventable deaths from DUI/distracted/reckless driving? If no one has cars, those deaths can't happen anymore, right? And if you're trying to scale it in numbers, the concept doesn't change. And even then, again, the JHU study I posted about the Covid numbers to total US deaths.

You're playing the "jumping to conclusions game." It's popular, I'll give you that. Tom Smykowski is just raking in the cash.

Taxpayers, like how that already happens here in CA for undocumented immigrants? I don't know about the rest of the country, but uhh, that's already happening, so no large change there.

The difference is that it already happens and COVID-19 adds on top. Budgets are tight and with a contracting tax base, they're going to get tighter.

Government can help step in with that, along with employers. Set pay at current disability rates (I believe in CA it's 65% of your pay). That should be more than unemployment with the 300$ federal benefit that will expire as well. Then that would be much more than the unemployment alone. Like if you're declaring your risk assessment to your employer? Just like how you can claim long term leave of absence. That will be harder for "job" types of jobs than "career with benefits" jobs, but that would be an assessment with employers/employees and state laws (which are already in place for leave related to covid).

States are running out of money. A divided congress doesn't want to release funds.

This is true. But not everyone agrees with your mindset of "lock everyone down because of the stupidity of others making stupid choices".

Again, you're jumping to conclusions. What it seems that I'm saying and what I'm saying are two different things. Look through my posts in this thread and see what I've said and what I've advocated for.

Why did the EU recently have another wave?

If you ease restrictions, you'll have another wave. The EU isn't like NZ; they can't just wholesale close the borders.

Every single thing needs to be laid out by people who are smarter than you or me and there needs to be a contingency for everything. Trump's White House is incapable of building a task force that is appropriately intelligent.

[deolio]

When did you post it?

Page 18 in response to your previous mentioning of herd immunity.

A good, albeit tedious read https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/10/it-s-been-so-so-surreal-critics-sweden-s-lax-pandemic-policies-face-fierce-backlash

The risk vs reward is very high. I surely wouldn't want to be the one responsible for people's death. In the end, to me, it boils down to life or money, but I realize I'm lucky enough to have the choice when may people do not.

Though, at this point, it seems like the herd immunity thing is going to happen whether we want it to or not. Shit is out of god damn control. Next 6 months are going to be rough.

[mr.nismo.]

Page 18 in response to your previous mentioning of herd immunity.



Though, at this point, it seems like the herd immunity thing is going to happen whether we want it to or not. Shit is out of god damn control. Next 6 months are going to be rough.We're going to get locked down anyways (at least here in CA). Not much of a point anymore. Albeit I'll read your article.

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[mr.nismo.]

You're playing the "jumping to conclusions game." It's popular, I'll give you that. Tom Smykowski is just raking in the cash.







I mean.. you literally said "they can't assess something they don't consider a risk". To me, it sounds like you've grouped everyone that disagrees with lockdowns into that. That's not really jumping to a conclusion.






The difference is that it already happens and COVID-19 adds on top. Budgets are tight and with a contracting tax base, they're going to get tighter.






States are running out of money. A divided congress doesn't want to release funds.








Oh, okay.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/article247409345.html

Anyhow, congress is divided because just throwing gobs of money (specifically the hero's act amounts) is insane. Where will that money come from?






Again, you're jumping to conclusions. What it seems that I'm saying and what I'm saying are two different things. Look through my posts in this thread and see what I've said and what I've advocated for.



.

I'll have to read back I guess since all I've gotten so far is lock down everything.




If you ease restrictions, you'll have another wave. The EU isn't like NZ; they can't just wholesale close the borders.



Every single thing needs to be laid out by people who are smarter than you or me and there needs to be a contingency for everything. Trump's White House is incapable of building a task force that is appropriately intelligent.

So like I've asked more than a few times... You think that let up/lockdown merry go round is the way to do it?



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[zombiewolf513]

I still haven't seen anyone post proof that 'face coverings' are effective.

[deolio]

I still haven't seen anyone post proof that 'face coverings' are effective.

Still a moot point. Just the right making up dumb bullshit to complain about for no reason.

Yet again the anti-choice "all lives matter"-yelling dimwits see no irony in their anti-mask bullshit.

[LEG1T]

N E W Z E. A L. A. N. D

America is what’s wrong, look at what’s right for answers^^^^

When you have a country of competent leadership, you get competent results.

[mrmephistopheles]

When you have a country of competent leadership, you get competent results.

Not to be a contrarian, but those being led must be willing to put their selfish desires aside for the greater good. Such a thing is a hard ask in the US due to the very nature of our culture.

[LEG1T]

Not to be a contrarian, but those being led must be willing to put their selfish desires aside for the greater good. Such a thing is a hard ask in the US due to the very nature of our culture.

Exactly.. And when you have our leader doing the absolute opposite certainly we can both agree this only inflicts the wound.

Hence our numbers and where we are today.

[zombiewolf513]

Still a moot point. Just the right making up dumb bullshit to complain about for no reason.

Yet again the anti-choice "all lives matter"-yelling dimwits see no irony in their anti-mask bullshit.

Still waiting on that evidence. My body my choice. Its okay to be white, and all lives matter. Prove me wrong.

[mrmephistopheles]

all lives matter

Keep rooting for pedophiles, nazis, murderers, car thieves and so on.

[zombiewolf513]

Keep rooting for pedophiles, nazis, murderers, car thieves and so on.

is there something wrong with those things?

[deolio]

Still waiting on that evidence. My body my choice. Its okay to be white, and all lives matter. Prove me wrong.

It should be self-evident that a covering over mouth and nose would be better than nothing. No proof or evidence is needed in common sense situations. You sound like a toddler who doesn?t want to eat their peas.

[zombiewolf513]

still waiting on that proof

[deolio]

still waiting on that proof

Le Yawn

Google.com

[zombiewolf513]

le unyawn

You have absolutely no proof. I'm right. You're wrong. Neener neener neener.

[SimpleS14]

Where will that money come from?

For the U.S. government, my guess is borrowing money and tacking on more debt through the issuance of U.S. Treasury bonds.

Individual states might do the same with municipal bonds, but I don't think that will happen on a great scale.

[Phlip]

First doses of vaccines being delivered to NYC nurses and front-line folks as I type this.
I wonder if this vaccine will cause autism like the ones they try to make us give our children.

[TheRealSy90]

Why don't we have vaccines for Cancer, Flu, common cold?

[RalliartRsX]

........errrr, we DO have a vaccine for the flu and have had i for quite some time now.......

It's called the "flu shot" and is typically good for about 6 months

Cancer is NOT a respiratory but blood related issue. NOT the same.....

The common cold is more of a mild discomfort for a few days. It DOESN'T Kill or attack your lungs to the point of destruction.....

[zombiewolf513]

First doses of vaccines being delivered to NYC nurses and front-line folks as I type this.

Thanks, Donald Trump!

[KA24DESOneThree]

So like I've asked more than a few times... You think that let up/lockdown merry go round is the way to do it?

No, which is specifically why I've not advocated it. Have I talked about the potential positive aspects of a lockdown? Yes. Do I think we should institute one? Not sure, don't know enough, am not in full awareness/understanding of every single variable in the equation.

The older I get, the more I realize how few experts are truly expert and are instead simply better than average. I also realize how few people give a flying fuck about their fellow person. Combine sub-par experts with a populace apathetic about their own health and we get what we have.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/health/2020/11/16/beaumont-study-shows-effectiveness-masks-covid-19-spread/6314336002/

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/new-study-highlights-new-evidence-that-masks-prevent-coronavirus-spread/

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200630111449.htm

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20201022/masks-block-virus-particles-but-not-entirely

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/data-do-not-back-cloth-masks-limit-covid-19-experts-say

https://www.livescience.com/are-face-masks-effective-reducing-coronavirus-spread.html

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-0948_article

[zombiewolf513]

almost as if someone was screaming that in your face for the past year.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Yes, you were screaming how little a shit you give about others in my face.

[zombiewolf513]

i give a shit about others more than you.

[deolio]

le unyawn

You have absolutely no proof. I'm right. You're wrong. Neener neener neener.

No, not what I'd call proof by my standard, but by your standard (based on what you think is proof of a rigged election), yes. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8 I encourage others who don't have their head buried up their ass to read the article as well.

It's a very complicated topic due to a nearly limitless list of variables, but this quote from the article about sums it up.

If you look at any one paper ? it?s not a slam dunk. But, taken all together, I?m convinced that they are working

And another quote from the article that really boils down the entire topic:

But given that it is such a simple, low-cost intervention with potentially such a large impact, who would not want to use it?

Literally what the FUCK are anti-masker's even complaining about? Shut the fuck up, put on your mask, and stop whining already.

Some additional reading material
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/masking-science-sars-cov2.html
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-face-masks-what-you-need-to-know
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
https://msphere.asm.org/content/5/5/e00637-20

Would ya look at that, all thanks to google.com. WOW!

queue "MSM" tantrum

i give a shit about others more than you.

Prove it.

[zombiewolf513]

It's a very complicated topic due to a nearly limitless list of variables, but this quote from the article about sums it up.

Aliens.




Literally what the FUCK are anti-masker's even complaining about? Shut the fuck up, put on your mask, and stop whining already.

I'm not complaining about shit. You're the one bitching that I don't wear panties on my face like you cult of personality clowns. You're dirty pieces of shit so its no wonder why you're going to die of COVID 19.

Your mask is worthless and youre a pussy hiding behind a pair of panties. fight me. :hey:


:blah: bunch of shit deolio didnt even read
I've already DEBOOOOOONKED all of this crap with straight up CDC studies that you hold up like some kind of bible for the unenlightened, until its inconvenient. Want to have that argument a third time?





Prove it.

Already have time and time over. Your turn.

[deolio]

I'm not complaining about shit. You're the one bitching that I don't wear panties on my face like you cult of personality clowns. You're dirty pieces of shit so its no wonder why you're going to die of COVID 19.

If presenting ignorant people with science is complaining, I guess :ughd:

Your mask is worthless and youre a pussy hiding behind a pair of panties. fight me. :hey:

Unlike you, I don't feel the urge to get violent when I'm too dense to understand something.

I've already DEBOOOOOONKED all of this crap with straight up CDC studies that you hold up like some kind of bible for the unenlightened, until its inconvenient. Want to have that argument a third time?

You haven't debunked anything. Your lack of scientific literacy is the only thing you've proven thus far.

Already have time and time over. Your turn.

Killing kids and gloating about it really sells your point.

Come at me with some better trolling next time bucko. Your jimmy-ruffling record is looking an awful lot like Trump's court case record.

[zombiewolf513]

^ proof zilvia really does contain some of the weakest minds on the planet.

The blood of those dead kids is on your hands, too, dummy. Way to miss the point, like usual.

If you're so convinced I need to have a mask on my face that you're willing to make yourself out as an ass over it, then come put one on my face. Then we can talk about violence.

It's also highly fucking likely that I've got far more scientific qualifications than you. You're basically calling a skinny person fat with that one.

idk why youre hung up on this court case thing, it's literally never mattered to me haha. i know why. its bc youre an NPC repeating what youve been told to.

damn I wish you guys had at least half a brain, it would make this much more entertaining

[KA24DESOneThree]

You know what real experts do? They claim to have qualifications.

It's what made Supa so effective at argumentation.

[zombiewolf513]

Yes. Experts claim to have qualifications.

wtf are you even talking about now, mr. no education?

[deolio]

The blood of those dead kids is on your hands, too, dummy. Way to miss the point, like usual.

The point? The point is you still think I vote for candidates who perpetuate American imperialism, which I do not, and you're sitting over here arguing against things that could possibly save people's lives for no reason other than your lord and savior, Trumpus Christ, said so, and claiming you care.

If you're so convinced I need to have a mask on my face that you're willing to make yourself out as an ass over it, then come put one on my face. Then we can talk about violence.

You can do whatever the hell your simple ass wants. You asked for proof and I gave you what you asked for.

It's also highly fucking likely that I've got far more scientific qualifications than you. You're basically calling a skinny person fat with that one.

Sounds like you're queuing up for some navy seal copypasta, but with scientific shit instead :keke:

I tOtALLy tRuSt yOuUUUuuu Dr. Poopbrains!

idk why youre hung up on this court case thing, it's literally never mattered to me haha. i know why. its bc youre an NPC repeating what youve been told to.

Beep Bop Beep Boop
{TROLLING PROGRAM SUCCESSFUL}
/end program

damn I wish you guys had at least half a brain, it would make this much more entertaining

Half a brain? You want an even fight?

[zombiewolf513]

If youre an American, you killed em. Glad I could do that for you though. Probably stopped them from turning into little jihadists cutting off ol' froggy boy heads. See? I am a better person than you.

You can do whatever the hell your simple ass wants. You asked for proof and I gave you what you asked for.

"jUsT wEaR tHe MaSk UgGgGgGgH :cry:" is only proving how much of a whiney, Karen-esk bitch you are.



Sounds like you're queuing up for some navy seal copypasta, but with scientific shit instead :keke:

I could.

On that note, I'd like to hear about what you know of science other than finding out what your dingleberries taste like or carving yourself a feminine penis out of skin cut from your forehead. Grow a set, fuckboy.




Half a brain? You want an even fight?

Yeah, bc 'Dr. poobrains' really cuts deep. A toddler roasted me harder than that the other day wtf :ugh: An even fight would require a human being on the other side of this conversation.

[deolio]

If youre an American, you killed em. Glad I could do that for you though. Probably stopped them from turning into little jihadists cutting off ol' froggy boy heads. See? I am a better person than you.

Hell of a coping mechanism you got there. Would be a shame if you woke up one day and you had to be responsible for your own actions like an adult.

"jUsT wEaR tHe MaSk UgGgGgGgH :cry:" is only proving how much of a whiney, Karen-esk bitch you are.

You just keep recycling things I've said like 2 posts before. You can do better.

I could.

On that note, I'd like to hear about what you know of science other than finding out what your dingleberries taste like or carving yourself a feminine penis out of skin cut from your forehead. Grow a set, fuckboy.

Should I insert the copypasta now or????

Yeah, bc 'Dr. poobrains' really cuts deep. A toddler roasted me harder than that the other day wtf :ugh: An even fight would require a human being on the other side of this conversation.

Oops I meant Dr. Poopbrains Esq. (forgot you had your law degree too)
toddlers do be having mean roasts tbh

[zombiewolf513]

Hell of a coping mechanism you got there. Would be a shame if you woke up one day and you had to be responsible for your own actions like an adult.

Dr. Poopyhead Esq provides the underprivileged with free ultra-late term abortions on your dime. I thought you were cool with that?

[deolio]

Dr. Poopyhead Esq provides the underprivileged with free ultra-late term abortions on your dime. I thought you were cool with that?

Thank you. I do appreciate it.

One question though, do you preform the abortions with a mask on or mask off?

[KA24DESOneThree]

LA county's down to less than 100 ICU beds*, capacity's at 1% in Ventura and 0% in Riverside county. Non-COVID ICU patients (car crashes, knife fights, chainsaw accidents, fire-swallowing incidents, priapism) could see/are seeing potentially lethal wait times and diverted ambulances increase costs for uninsured patients. Nurse-to-Patient ratios are stupid right now. Every hospital is short-staffed in admin due to COVID cases.

*Using a term like "beds" is kinda misleading. An ICU may have 100 physical beds but actual care capacity (doctors, nurses, therapists, equipment) may only be 63. If you accept a patient but have no ability to care for them, whether or not they're vertical or horizontal really doesn't matter, does it? Right now, ICU nurses are running 50% higher(1:3 instead of 1:2) verging on even higher (chatter of 1:6 becoming a reality) patient loads than in normal times.

The fuck are we going to do when nurses who were planning on working another 30 years decide to nope right out of a profession that's currently being run with mandatory overtime and no available mental health care? Burnout rates were 29% in CA pre-COVID, and a third or more in NJ and PA. Job dissatisfaction was 20% in CA pre-COVID, and more than a quarter in NJ and PA. ICU nurses require additional training (like 6 months worth). We can't just up the numbers tomorrow.

Short-sighted fucks don't get this. They can't see the forest for the trees because their myopic world view and hubris don't jive with reality.

Yes, I understand that most hospitals run lean for monetary purposes. Perhaps that should be rectified through government assistance?

[deolio]

Perhaps that should be rectified through government assistance?

What are you some kind of a communist?! Government assistance is only allowed when it?s to prop up large corporations in this great country of ours! Helping and supporting the people?! Inconceivable!!

[zombiewolf513]

Yes, I understand that most hospitals run lean for monetary purposes. Perhaps that should be rectified through government assistance?

Nancy Pelosi and the house democrats have been holding the stimulus hostage with nonsense the republicans dont want to vote on. If a stimulus bill just had only stimulus shit in it, the money printer would be going BRRRRRRRRRRRR

[mrmephistopheles]

Nancy Pelosi and the house democrats have been held up by Republicans wanting to legislate blanket liability immunity for corporations with regard to COVID exposure for employees.

Fixed that little typo for ya. :bigok:

[RalliartRsX]

Nancy Pelosi and the house democrats have been holding the stimulus hostage with nonsense the republicans dont want to vote on. If I stimulus bill just had only stimulus shit in it, the money printer would be going BRRRRRRRRRRRR

The Dems passed a bill in July. Mitch decided to NOT take it to a vote for almost 6 months

This is not a Dem issue. But I am sure this is falling on deaf ears.....

[zombiewolf513]

They passed a bill intentionally rife with shit that the republicans would never agree to. Simpleton.

[RalliartRsX]

I thought this was a relief bill for THE PEOPLE?

Wtf should it matter what the gop want if its whats best for the people? Like not protesting business who fail to properly protect thier employees?

Isn't that what its about? The bill was passed in July in the House.......instead we are pushing through SCOTUS nominating and having Twitter battles. Its like these peole don't work for us...

[zombiewolf513]

Firstly, Nancy had the influence to block every smaller stimulus proposal from the GOP, that wanted to compensate us as individuals, for the sake of doing one large payout. frustrating, but fine whatever Nancy. Then the dems shoved a bunch of shit straight from the Green New Deal into it like meat restrictions, which they knew the republicans would never sign off on.

then Trump tweeted:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313664886648582144
If I am sent a Stand Alone Bill for Stimulus Checks ($1,200), they will go out to our great people IMMEDIATELY. I am ready to sign right now. Are you listening Nancy?
@MarkMeadows
@senatemajld
@kevinomccarth
@SpeakerPelosi
@SenSchumer

then Pelosi lost her mind on Wolf Blitzer when he asked her why they didn't just compensate us for the inflation they created (because shes power drunk, and wants to take the credit over Donald Trump for giving Americans a check after taking the election):

gqPltMpWIwo

[RalliartRsX]

So, you are ok with the gop also propping up the oil industry in their proposed stimulus plans as well??

So which is it?? You blame the Dems for including items from the Green New Deal. But you fail to address the gop doing the very same thing via inserting props for the oil industry??

In addition now its cool to have the gop "compensate" it's people?? Earlier, folks were complaining that people got compensated and just sat on thier asses rather than go back to work. You cannot scream "SOCIALISM" and then turn around and be like "Cool! The gop wants to compensate people". THAT is Socialism.......

I am so confused by the constant pivots.......

Let us remove trump from the equation as he, as the president, literally has ZERO power apart from his signature at the end of the negotiation.

What is it you have issue with from "the Green New Deal" that is so detrimental, we should NOT consider it in the bill??

As an example: the Dems wanted to extend tax credits for clean energy. And with this, opening up jobs for lower and middle class folks

Two trade groups, the Solar Energy Industries Association (SEIA) and American Wind Energy Association (AWEA), sent a joint letter to members of Congress last week saying that extending the credits "would allow our member companies to hire thousands of additional workers and inject billions in the U.S. economy."

The share of solar and wind energy in the U.S. had been booming. But now, without help, the SEIA estimates the solar industry could see as much as 50 percent of residential solar jobs lost this year due to the pandemic. AWEA estimates $43 billion dollars of investments and payments, mostly in the rural communities where wind projects usually are built, is at risk.

"The COVID-19 pandemic is harming the wind industry's ability to build the wind farms envisioned by Congressional legislation and putting at risk 35,000 wind energy jobs," says Tom Kiernan, Chief Executive Officer of AWEA.

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/24/820268157/climate-change-push-fuels-split-on-coronavirus-stimulus

I am trying to reconcile what is so bad about Clean Energy and opening jobs for 10s of thousands of people (The same people you complained about a few pages ago ,that would (according to you) just sit on their assess....) but its totes OK when we are allowing the same provisions for the oil industry.

[zombiewolf513]

You cannot scream "SOCIALISM" and then turn around and be like "Cool! The gop wants to compensate people". THAT is Socialism.......

When did I scream about socialism?

Compensating people for massive controlled inflation isn't socialism you absolute fucking idiot :bowrofl:

the oil industry is critical to everything. Did you forget we had that conversation? YOU NEED OIL YOU FUCKING MORON.
wtf does imposing restrictions on meat production have to do with stimulus? jeeeeesus dude.

I'm not even reading the rest of that crap. You're way out of your league.

[RalliartRsX]

Ok..........zmmobin wins the inanet again......

Both this and trump thread are WELL pass their sell by date.......

[zombiewolf513]

Sure thing ya contrarian tryhard

Let's see some quotes on when I said any of that shit youre claiming I said.

[mr.nismo.]

This is what zombie was talking about with the emergency authorization for use. You don't know what can happen with everyone or long term effects.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/12/15/pfizer-moderna-covid-vaccine-trials-and-bells-palsy-what-it/3904994001/

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[smellslikecurry]

This right here.

Its amazing how many people don't understand this. Smaller/rural areas are getting hit harder.


LA county's down to less than 100 ICU beds*, capacity's at 1% in Ventura and 0% in Riverside county. Non-COVID ICU patients (car crashes, knife fights, chainsaw accidents, fire-swallowing incidents, priapism) could see/are seeing potentially lethal wait times and diverted ambulances increase costs for uninsured patients. Nurse-to-Patient ratios are stupid right now. Every hospital is short-staffed in admin due to COVID cases.

*Using a term like "beds" is kinda misleading. An ICU may have 100 physical beds but actual care capacity (doctors, nurses, therapists, equipment) may only be 63. If you accept a patient but have no ability to care for them, whether or not they're vertical or horizontal really doesn't matter, does it? Right now, ICU nurses are running 50% higher(1:3 instead of 1:2) verging on even higher (chatter of 1:6 becoming a reality) patient loads than in normal times.

The fuck are we going to do when nurses who were planning on working another 30 years decide to nope right out of a profession that's currently being run with mandatory overtime and no available mental health care? Burnout rates were 29% in CA pre-COVID, and a third or more in NJ and PA. Job dissatisfaction was 20% in CA pre-COVID, and more than a quarter in NJ and PA. ICU nurses require additional training (like 6 months worth). We can't just up the numbers tomorrow.

Short-sighted fucks don't get this. They can't see the forest for the trees because their myopic world view and hubris don't jive with reality.

Yes, I understand that most hospitals run lean for monetary purposes. Perhaps that should be rectified through government assistance?

[zombiewolf513]

"Don't think getting the vaccine means you're leaving your cage so fast, wagie. You need a second vaccine before masks and lockdowns go away *wink*. Let myself and Jacinda Ardern reassure you by injecting ourselves with these empty needles...

*prick*

see? easy. That's enough reason for you to do it."

I remember the first time I fell for carnies' goal post moving tricks.

1xYcyI2Cbls

[KA24DESOneThree]

"Don't think getting the vaccine means you're leaving your cage so fast, wagie. You need a second vaccine before masks and lockdowns go away *wink*. Let myself and Jacinda Ardern reassure you by injecting ourselves with these empty needles...

*prick*

see? easy. That's enough reason for you to do it."

I remember the first time I fell for carnies' goal post moving tricks.

1xYcyI2Cbls

You have a wonderful singing voice. Why haven't you graced us previously?

[!Zar!]

"Don't think getting the vaccine means you're leaving your cage so fast, wagie. You need a second vaccine before masks and lockdowns go away

Yes. It's a vaccine. It comes in two parts. The complete vaccine is a two part thing. It is a process. Not everything in life is instant gratification.

[zombiewolf513]

lol sure bud. guess that's why they've still got lockdowns planned through late 2021-2022.

[ixfxi]

mike pence got the vaccine, which means life is good for everyone else on planet earth.

nothing to see here folks. carry on

[zombiewolf513]

Good thing we stopped the economy and locked down the country to save grandma. Now that the vaccine is being rolled out, lets give it to her last bc well.... white people bad.

[!Zar!]

Good thing we stopped the economy and locked down the country to save grandma. Now that the vaccine is being rolled out, lets give it to her last bc well.... white people bad.

Where have you seen elderly white women are receiving the vaccine last?

Lockdown is about slowing the spread and the strain on hospitals and related services. Hospitals handle more than covid cases.

[zombiewolf513]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/05/health/covid-vaccine-first.html

Harald Schmidt, an expert in ethics and health policy at the University of Pennsylvania, said that it is reasonable to put essential workers ahead of older adults, given their risks, and that they are disproportionately minorities. “Older populations are whiter, ” Dr. Schmidt said. “Society is structured in a way that enables them to live longer. Instead of giving additional health benefits to those who already had more of them, we can start to level the playing field a bit.”


Lockdown was sold as 2 weeks to 'slow the spread'. 10 months later all the literature says 'stop the spread' and Biden and gang are calling for it to keep going. Explain that, please.

Shouldn't you be out getting kids arrested for playing hockey outdoors or something?
https://twitter.com/lolpipewrench/status/1340194078726635521

[!Zar!]

The article is talking about who should receive the vaccine first. Not last. If you read between the lines any harder, you'll see it says, "Trump Lost".


SIP & social distancing wasn't supported by the President. This alone made lockdown's effectiveness even more divisive.

[zombiewolf513]

The article is talking about who should receive the vaccine first. Not last.

Imagine being this much of an idiot.

[mr.nismo.]

The article is talking about who should receive the vaccine first. Not last. If you read between the lines any harder, you'll see it says, "Trump Lost".


SIP & social distancing wasn't supported by the President. This alone made lockdown's effectiveness even more divisive.Do you think the opinion of that quote is okay?

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[!Zar!]

Do you think the opinion of that quote is okay?

The point could've been made without talking about "whites", and in general kept to talking about frontline workers.

Back to my original point, nothing is stating old white women are the last to receive the vaccine. Based on "Schmidt" they are second in line, and ultimately negates his point about society and how it is structured.

[zombiewolf513]

The point could've been made without talking about "whites", and in general kept to talking about frontline workers.

Back to my original point, nothing is stating old white women are the last to receive the vaccine. Based on "Schmidt" they are second in line, and ultimately negates his point about society and how it is structured.

Yet for some reason they did.

Lol and these are the people (!zar!) trying to call me an ignorant, racist, bigot.

[mr.nismo.]

The point could've been made without talking about "whites", and in general kept to talking about frontline workers.

Back to my original point, nothing is stating old white women are the last to receive the vaccine. Based on "Schmidt" they are second in line, and ultimately negates his point about society and how it is structured.While yes, they're "second" in line, you seem to be really brushing off that line of thinking..

It feels like there's a double standard when someone from the left says someone on the right is being racist, etc, but then doesn't acknowledge bullshit like this.

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[deolio]

Lockdown was sold as 2 weeks to 'slow the spread'. 10 months later all the literature says 'stop the spread' and Biden and gang are calling for it to keep going. Explain that, please.

Because people keep running around spitting in their cousin's mouths, sucking on door knobs, and eating each other's asses. Because the government is too busy disobeying their own laws to provide support to their constituents. Because no one has a choice but to interact with unwashed/unmasked heathens. Because still not enough is known about covid. Because no one has had the balls to lead the fight against the pandemic.



Essential workers first makes sense. They're the ones spreading it, not the elderly who have been locked up since March. Idk why that guy threw race into the mix in that quote (didn't read the article - don't wanna sign up, so idk the exact context), but aside from that, I get his point from an economic point of view. Ethically, I'm not sure I agree, which is ironic if he's an expert in ethics haha

[zombiewolf513]

Because people keep running around spitting in their cousin's mouths, sucking on door knobs, and eating each other's asses.
What does Hunter Biden have anything to do with this?

"I don't like that it was framed in terms of race, but if it's framed in some other way I'm comfortable with it" :rolleyes:

What would you do to 'lead the fight'? Genocide white people?

A vaccine doesn't stop someone from spreading it through physical contact. It's not an invisible shield. holy shit hahaha. Why wouldn't you first give it to the people that are most susceptible to dying from COVID? Especially since you locked down and 'masked up' for grandma.

[dizzariot]

It feels like there's a double standard when someone from the left says someone on the right is being racist, etc, but then doesn't acknowledge bullshit like this.


This is the entire Presidential thread, and generally the way MSM is nowadays.

[mr.nismo.]

Because people keep running around spitting in their cousin's mouths, sucking on door knobs, and eating each other's asses. Because the government is too busy disobeying their own laws to provide support to their constituents. Because no one has a choice but to interact with unwashed/unmasked heathens. Because still not enough is known about covid. Because no one has had the balls to lead the fight against the pandemic.







Essential workers first makes sense. They're the ones spreading it, not the elderly who have been locked up since March. Idk why that guy threw race into the mix in that quote (didn't read the article - don't wanna sign up, so idk the exact context), but aside from that, I get his point from an economic point of view. Ethically, I'm not sure I agree, which is ironic if he's an expert in ethics haha

I agree with most of this, but I have to ask...

You don't eat ass?

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[mr.nismo.]

This is the entire Presidential thread, and generally the way MSM is nowadays.*slow clap* [emoji817]

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[!Zar!]

While yes, they're "second" in line, you seem to be really brushing off that line of thinking..

It feels like there's a double standard when someone from the left says someone on the right is being racist, etc, but then doesn't acknowledge bullshit like this.

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TBH dude's name seems white and I have no idea how he aligns politically.

His wording was trash as I alluded to. Not sure what else to say.

[deolio]

What does Hunter Biden have anything to do with this?

"I don't like that it was framed in terms of race, but if it's framed in some other way I'm comfortable with it" :rolleyes:

What would you do to 'lead the fight'? Genocide white people?

A vaccine doesn't stop someone from spreading it through physical contact. It's not an invisible shield. holy shit hahaha. Why wouldn't you first give it to the people that are most susceptible to dying from COVID? Especially since you locked down and 'masked up' for grandma.

To me what that guy said is: essential workers can?t afford to get sick (low hourly wage, shit health care if any) and we can?t afford for them to be sick either (need groceries, nurses, infrastructure repairs) whereas older people are retired and can afford to stay in their home 24/7 and if they do happen to catch corona, they can at least afford the healthcare.

I think the whole ?level the playing field? thing was in reference to the healthcare available to the two parties, not the races. (If it wasn’t, then fuck that racist douche)

If you?re looking for something racist, you?re bound to find it...

How many times in your daily life do you make physical contact with strangers?

Were I in charge, the elderly with preexisting conditions and the essential workers who interact with more than 10 clients/customers/etc per day would be at the top of the list, but there?s no infrastructure to do such things and I?m just a random guy posting on a car forum...

You don't eat ass?

I plead the fifth

[ixfxi]

This is my official statement in how to deal with covid:

You just listen to the old Pork Chop Express here now and take his advice on a dark and stormy night when the lightning's crashin' and the thunder's rollin' and the rain's coming down in sheets thick as lead. Just remember what old Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big old storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."

[zombiewolf513]

I hope Trump vetoes this stupid 'stimulus' bill.

[zombiewolf513]

How many times in your daily life do you make physical contact with strangers?

If you're a healthcare worker- I'd assume the answer would be something along the lines of 'constantly'.

How many times in your daily life do you touch door handles that other muzzle-cucks touched? I saw some Coronaphobic at the store drop a yam on the ground, lets it roll a few feet on the dirty ass floor, then she picked it up and put it back in the pile. She probably went the rest of her day wearing the same pair of subway sandwich gloves, too. You people are nuts.

His point is obviously based in race, it has nothing to do with 'looking for it'. He clearly stated it. The framing of 'who gets it first' is oozing divisiveness to begin with, anyway. There's no reason to act like the vaccine is some sort of lifeboat on the Titanic. Much less flip the line for said lifeboat into something about race non-sense.

[TheRealSy90]

So what's up with that dude getting a fake vaccine shot on tv. The syringe was empty and already fully depressed. So ridiculous.

[mr.nismo.]

I hope Trump vetoes this stupid 'stimulus' bill.Lol. Its tiered just like the first one too. I think I'll be getting like a little over 200$ if it goes through [emoji1787] because top down solutions are [emoji817]


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[mrmephistopheles]

This is my official statement in how to deal with covid:

You just listen to the old Pork Chop Express here now and take his advice on a dark and stormy night when the lightning's crashin' and the thunder's rollin' and the rain's coming down in sheets thick as lead. Just remember what old Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big old storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."

Is the check in the mail?

[KA24DESOneThree]

The stimulus bill is a joke on the American people.

Have any of you read it? No? Why not- it's only 5,593 pages.

It literally has, in Section 508 on page 4,073, a provision for the "Murder Hornet Eradication Pilot Program." $4mm/year for 4 years.

$500mm for Israeli Cooperative Programs: $73mm for Iron Dome, $177mm for Short Range Ballistic Missile Defense, $77mm for co-production activities of Arrow 3 Upper Tier systems of the Israeli Missile Defense Architecture, $173mm for Arrow System Improvement Program.

[RalliartRsX]

So I keep seeing those numbers


Congress passed two bills today. The defense bill and rhe relief package

The numbers you're citing in your second paragraph is from the defense bill....

Now, if you want to discuss military spending, that's an entirely different topic to be fair

[deolio]

If you're a healthcare worker- I'd assume the answer would be something along the lines of 'constantly'.

How many times in your daily life do you touch door handles that other muzzle-cucks touched? I saw some Coronaphobic at the store drop a yam on the ground, lets it roll a few feet on the dirty ass floor, then she picked it up and put it back in the pile. She probably went the rest of her day wearing the same pair of subway sandwich gloves, too. You people are nuts.

His point is obviously based in race, it has nothing to do with 'looking for it'. He clearly stated it. The framing of 'who gets it first' is oozing divisiveness to begin with, anyway. There's no reason to act like the vaccine is some sort of lifeboat on the Titanic. Much less flip the line for said lifeboat into something about race non-sense.

Healthcare workers have gloves and gowns and shit. Not quite the same as average joe.

Me? Maybe like an average of .1 times a day since April. And when I do, I think I?m all clever and grab the handle weird places that I don?t think other people would touch because g e n i u s . Best believe I?m pumping the fuck out of that sanitizer bottle a second later and then proceed to lick ever avocado to check for ripeness and fill my mouth with flaxseed straight from the dispenser nozzle before checking out the artesianal organic vegan gluten free IPA selection.

You looked, you found. Wow people being racists against whites. So sad. Let me cry into my down pillow atop my posturepedic mattress inside my 3 bedroom suburban home. Waahhhh

[KA24DESOneThree]

So I keep seeing those numbers


Congress passed two bills today. The defense bill and rhe relief package

The numbers you're citing in your second paragraph is from the defense bill....

Now, if you want to discuss military spending, that's an entirely different topic to be fair

Those numbers are directly from the text of "Rules Committee Print 116-68 Text of the House Amendment to the Senate Amendment to H.R. 133." Lines 2 and 3 of page one state 'This Act may be cited as the "Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021."'

[!Zar!]

The stimulus bill is a joke on the American people.

O America! O America!
O America! We stand on guard for thee,
O America! We stand on guard for thee.

O America! Where pines and maples grow,
Great prairies spread and lordly rivers flow,
How dear to us thy broad domain,
From East to Western sea!
Thou land of hope for all who toil!
Thou True North, strong and free!
(Refrain)

O America! Beneath thy shining skies
May stalwart sons and gentle maidens rise,
To keep thee steadfast through the years
From East to Western sea,
Our own beloved native land,
Our True North, strong and free!

Ruler Supreme, Who hearest humble prayer,
Hold our dominion within Thy loving care.
Help us to find, O God, in Thee
A lasting, rich reward,
As waiting for the Better Day,
We ever stand on guard.

[RalliartRsX]

Those numbers are directly from the text of "Rules Committee Print 116-68 Text of the House Amendment to the Senate Amendment to H.R. 133." Lines 2 and 3 of page one state 'This Act may be cited as the "Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021."'

https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20433223-covid-19-relief-bill

That is the bill. I was correct. Page 339 (I think) is the page with the reference. It is in Section C of the bill labelled "Department of Defense Appropriations Act"

They did indeed combine the Defense Bill with the Covid Bill. The two appropriations are from different sources. Defense Bill was negotiated well in advance of the Covid Relief bill

Leaders paired the relief bill with the annual $1.4 trillion spending bill, which included measures that had been negotiated over months by the House and Senate Appropriations panels. Members of those committees did note that agreement on many items like pay raises for members of the military, increased money for veterans and a deal on border security measures.

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/21/948862052/house-passes-900-billion-coronavirus-relief-bill-ending-months-long-stalemate

And this is shit I am talking about. Misinformation on the bill took all of a few hours to spread.....

Again, if you take issue with Military spending, that is an entirely separate topic. However, I have a hunch they rolled it all into the Government Spending Bill to keep it somewhat veto proof, as if trump blocks the bill, he is not only suffocating Americans in the relief, he will also be putting a halt to spending on just about every single government program......including the Military.

So yeah. Somewhat smart by Congress and forces trump to die on his sword.

I WISH people would be this nuanced, but as usual, this will all fall on deaf ears...

P.S You even have the page and line numbers incorrect. The section which cites those numbers (The Department of Defense Act) doesn't even start until like page 300 or thereabouts....

All you are doing is giving the gop more (invalid and irrelevant) talking points......

So yeah

[zombiewolf513]

So yeah. Somewhat smart by Congress and forces trump to die on his sword.


Attempting to hold the country hostage for political gain. Yeah. Smart.

[RalliartRsX]

You do realize the House introduced the Bill in May of this year and mitch sat on his ass pushing SCOTUS nomination correct??

you do realize, your precious military, would be "defunded" if trump doesn't sign correct??

You realize, your precious funding for your marine service was already agreed upon and NOT held hostage until recently right??

So who is taking the American People hostage again? mitch could have easily brought the bill to the floor and begin negotiations then. Instead, he gave the middle finger to every single American.....

This move by Congress FORCES the bill to be signed less trump's ego get in the way (which last I checked, he was angling to not sign unless the monthly gets raised to 2K...which not puts the gop in a tough spot lol). The Senate is ran by the gop, please tell me again why they never even bothered to negotiate the House bill and instead, introduced a bill that remove ability of businesses to be sued for undermining their employees and instead, put up a bill that pushed the monthly total down to $200??

I do not agree with ALOT of things Congress does, but reading between the lines, this puts the pressure on trump NOT Congress. Congress already signed off on it 92-6

[zombiewolf513]

Slave minds sure are filled with knots.

Your baby mama's childrens' baby mama's children are getting slammed into debt as a political pawn for absolutely nothing in return, from a spending bill nobody feasibly read before voting on. And you're over here rooting for the slave-masters doing it, bc all you can see is orange.

[RalliartRsX]

I guess this is a nod to your rigger joke?

Cool.

[zombiewolf513]

Nietzsche slave morality

Look it up.

[RalliartRsX]

Slave minds sure are filled with knots.

Your baby mama's childrens' baby mama's children are getting slammed into debt as a political pawn for absolutely nothing in return, from a spending bill nobody feasibly read before voting on. And you're over here rooting for the slave-masters doing it, bc all you can see is orange.

I do not agree with ALOT of things Congress does,

You do realize the House introduced the Bill in May of this year and mitch sat on his ass pushing SCOTUS nomination correct??


So who is taking the American People hostage again? mitch could have easily brought the bill to the floor and begin negotiations then. Instead, he gave the middle finger to every single American.....


Reading is fundamental. Look it up.

Am I over here giving credit to mitch? Or the almost 7 months the bill sat in limbo on his table while they all fucked the American people?? Or rooting for Congress overall?? Nope.

What I am saying is, they made one move which I agree with outside of the MANY moves I do NOT agree with

:sigh:

zombie, you do you homie.

[zombiewolf513]

idc if you want to pick that e-cotton for your master, im just telling you that youre a slave for doing so.

[deolio]

idc if you want to pick that e-cotton for your master, im just telling you that youre a slave for doing so.

If you pay taxes, you're 10-37% a slave (maybe a tad less since every once in a blue moon tax dollars pay for a pothole to get fixed).

[zombiewolf513]

Taxes?!

They don't need to tax you.

They devalue the money you have by printing their own.

That anyone is backing this wealth transfer blows my mind.

[TheRealSy90]

This shit cracks me up. There's no way this was on accident, who's that inept lol. Oh supposedly he got "re-vaccinated" after people caught on. Good job.

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[zombiewolf513]

Firstly, Nancy had the influence to block every smaller stimulus proposal from the GOP, that wanted to compensate us as individuals, for the sake of doing one large payout. frustrating, but fine whatever Nancy. Then the dems shoved a bunch of shit straight from the Green New Deal into it like meat restrictions, which they knew the republicans would never sign off on.

then Trump tweeted:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313664886648582144


then Pelosi lost her mind on Wolf Blitzer when he asked her why they didn't just compensate us for the inflation they created (because shes power drunk, and wants to take the credit over Donald Trump for giving Americans a check after taking the election):

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ding ding. round 2.

[ixfxi]

Ugh... Nancy's face... makes me sick.

Shes like a tired old stripper. I would love to bitch slap her with the 600.

[zombiewolf513]

I will enter this and donate to the cause. Also lol at those entering that are COVID deniers.

Imagine politicizing donations to a food bank, especially when you're the one who supports the lockdowns that created the soup line. :loco:

[brndck]

Imagine politicizing donations to a food bank, especially when you're the one who supports the lockdowns that created the soup line. :loco:

right man, because improper management of a viral outbreak had NOTHING to do with it. . . . .:stupid::cj:

[zombiewolf513]

Nope. Nothing to do with it.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Makes no sense to throw away years on a forum and an entire build thread because you've been radicalized by social media.

COVID's killed plenty, but social media has rotted millions of brains.

[S14rebuild]

Lol

Had covid..8 days. Thats it... in January i had the flu...that was x100 worse. This was a cough n the sniffles.

This is what were destroying america for.... nice

[Dutchmalmiss]

Lol

Had covid..8 days. Thats it... in January i had the flu...that was x100 worse. This was a cough n the sniffles.

This is what were destroying america for.... nice

Good for you. Good for fucking you.

My 28 year old diabetic coworker is on day 14 in the ICU with covid.

Please tell me you'd have the same sentiment if one of your loved ones died. Or would you just chalk it up to comorbidities?

[KA24DESOneThree]

It's almost like sicknesses affect people differently.

So weird.

s14 had a cough and the sniffles. A family member of mine is on oxygen and cannot walk more than 50 feet at a time with permanent lung damage and is on $11k/mo medication.

[!Zar!]

Just lost a coworker due to covid.

Someone I know had covid, and 'recovered'. Except his breathing is labored. Even walking makes him out of breath. He has to carry oxygen with him in his car, so he doesn't get tired from driving. Talking too much results in having to catch his breath.

None of that sounds fun to me.

[collegekid]

Friends dad had it. He was in great shape and his only ailment medically was that he needs to ?watch his blood pressure/ cholesterol?

It was one of them, don?t exactly know which.

His dumbass son (my friends idiot brother) caught it at work. Brought it home. Dumbass had a minor case. His mother who is rightfully nicknamed Ursula, also had a minor case.

Dad caught it, was struggling to breathe within a few days. He probably knew something was up so he wrote out his final wishes/ spoke to his lawyer.

He spent 31 or 41 days in the ICU, the whole thing was a roller coaster. Early on, I spoke to him and he was talking to me like a college bro. I joked with him saying we were gonna do shots when he got out.

About a month later, his family was by his bedside because they made the decision to turn off the machines.



Count your blessings if you had it with minor issues.


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[deolio]

Yeah my roommate had a mild case (headaches and loss of smell/taste) that he caught from an irresponsible co-worker. His girlfriend and I managed to not catch it despite his late realization that he had symptoms. He/we were very lucky that nothing got serious, but I know plenty of others who haven't been so lucky.

Moral of the story is: not everyone handles the disease the same way. There is no way to predict how hard someone will be hit (or if they'll even get infected at all) so it's better to just err on the side of caution.

[CrimsonRockett]

My wife just lost her dad to covid a few days before Christmas. Zero medical history or complications outside of the common cold/flu.

A sincere fuck you to all of you who have continued with your anti-mask bullshit.

[S14rebuild]

Oh man its almost like everything in life is diffrent for everyone.... shocking!

Fuck this mask bullyshit! If your not gonna have a standard for facial coverings..then go fuck yourself.

[deolio]

Fuck this mask bullyshit! If your not gonna have a standard for facial coverings..then go fuck yourself.

There's no standard for what's considered a shoe. I guess because stores require them we shouldn't wear them!

Logic. Do you have it?

[S14rebuild]

There's no standard for what's considered a shoe. I guess because stores require them we shouldn't wear them!

Logic. Do you have it?


Shoes.....saven americans lives everyday

[deolio]

Shoes.....saven americans lives everyday

True! Foot protection is a key way to stop the spread of disease and infection.

[brndck]

Lol

Had covid..8 days. Thats it... in January i had the flu...that was x100 worse. This was a cough n the sniffles.

This is what were destroying america for.... nice

my neighbor Henry runs Henry's auto repair. One of his mechanics is in ICU, and has been there for over 3 weeks now due to Covid. Guess he just doesn't matter, because YOU had a bad flu. I'm sure his wife and kids will feel better now.

:fawk2:

[S14rebuild]

my neighbor Henry runs Henry's auto repair. One of his mechanics is in ICU, and has been there for over 3 weeks now due to Covid. Guess he just doesn't matter, because YOU had a bad flu. I'm sure his wife and kids will feel better now.

:fawk2:

Henry should of wore a sock over his mouth n nose.....he wouldnt be in the situation you desribe then.....

[brndck]

Henry should of wore a sock over his mouth n nose.....he wouldnt be in the situation you desribe then.....

reading comprehension escapes you. Henry is fine. His mechanic, James, is in ICU. He caught covid at his other job, (a fedex fleet repair hub) from a coworker.

Do you actively seek to just have :mrmeph: written across your forehead?

[S14rebuild]

reading comprehension escapes you. Henry is fine. His mechanic, James, is in ICU. He caught covid at his other job, (a fedex fleet repair hub) from a coworker.

Do you actively seek to just have :mrmeph: written across your forehead?
W
Well excuse me...henry should give his sock to james then...smh



I have a hat that says asshole across it. I wear it with pride...but it isnt my favor


My red MAGA hat is my goto.

[FaLKoN240]

If you keep pigeon-holing him into the role of the contrite asshole he's going to play it.

You guys really aren't doing anything but passing down the crown from zombie to rebuild.

[Phlip]

You guys really aren't doing anything but passing down the crown from zombie to rebuild.

Fryburg fucked around and found out... He has joined zombie

[mrmephistopheles]

Fryburg fucked around and found out... He has joined zombie

Honestly, I'm thinking we just start nipping this antisocial behavior in the bud. I happened upon a post of rebuilds in this thread and thought "why the fuck are we tolerating this shit?".

[KA24DESOneThree]

The person I talked about earlier in this thread has died.

Pneumonia due to complications from COVID. 11 months on oxygen. One trip farther than 60 miles in that time.

[[email protected]]

quick google search came up with a 2014 article/post


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4199291/




my brother in law's father just passed away today due to pneumonia AFTER surviving covid. its the complications after having covid and ventilators compromising their immune system.

[deolio]

So how's everyone's phone reception been lately? Pretty good? Yeah, mine too. Only a slight buzzing behind my left eye when I use the microwave.

[Phlip]

So how's everyone's phone reception been lately? Pretty good? Yeah, mine too. Only a slight buzzing behind my left eye when I use the microwave.

You may have gotten the wrong vaccine. I find myself having to switch my default search provider back to Google from Bing every morning for some reason.

[brndck]

So how's everyone's phone reception been lately? Pretty good? Yeah, mine too. Only a slight buzzing behind my left eye when I use the microwave.

max after he gets his second shot
https://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/0/3316/686912-robocop.jpg

[deolio]

max after he gets his second shot

robocop.jpg

Nice! Can't wait to don my new riding jersey upon my new technogarbage body (chassis)

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0020/8214/4343/products/godandfamous_idiocracy2_jersey_1_900x.jpg?v=157919 3140

All hail overlord Gates/Bezos/Clinton/Zuckerberg/Soros/Putin/Musk!

[RalliartRsX]

So how's everyone's phone reception been lately? Pretty good? Yeah, mine too. Only a slight buzzing behind my left eye when I use the microwave.

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?!?!

Good....

[Walperstyle]

Strange. You guys argue at each other as if there is some kind of social subversion program getting America to fight itself. #yuribezmenov

[KA24DESOneThree]

Oh no... :naw:

[Phlip]

I'm three weeks into the Johnson and Johnson vaccine and still no bloodclots.
I am writing that one off to the inference that the women who got them were GOING to get them.
Now if I could just get these thoughts of writing Bill Gates in as the president of the world to stop, I would be great.

[Future240]

I got the phizer vac, shot one. Second one coming up. Felt cold af the first day arm hurt like a mofo all day and tired but all good.

Im glad I got it, now I can safely go out and purchase a new windows 10 laptop without worry.

I encourage you all to get the shot. You will be helping the entire country like when Bill gates developed windows and changed the word for the better.

[Phlip]

Making sure we're all vaccinated is only step one. Step two will be to go to our browser and mobile settings to change Bing to our default search. Be the end of 2021, we need "Bing" to become a verb meaning to search, much like we did Google.

[Future240]

Just Bing it rolls so much easier off the tongue.

We need Bing it to be big especially when Bill makes his 2024 presidential run.

[Future240]

Just Bing it rolls so much easier off the tongue.

We need Bing it to be big especially when Bill makes his 2024 presidential run.

[drift freaq]

Wow I had avoided this thread because I was pretty sure the anti mask anti vacc crowd was going to troll glad to see you guys keeping it under control . Three weeks out on my second Moderna shot took a short trip to Chicago to see my cousins ya all of them got their shots as well.
Still using a mask in places with people around. Stay safe people get your shot.

[ronmcdon]

got vaccinated with Pfizer as well back in March thankfully. Have to say overall the US has done great with rollout of vaccinations.

Planes are pretty hairy. Took a southwest 1 hr flight 2 weeks ago and plane was more or less full. Would not be brave enough to take a 5-6 hr flight to east coast like that. However have been thankful for track events still going on mostly unhindered. That has been great for mental health.

Regardless trying to savor the moment. fingers crossed there won't be another horrendous outbreak with some mutant strand resistant to current vaccines.

[Phlip]

Wow I had avoided this thread because I was pretty sure the anti mask anti vacc crowd was going to troll glad to see you guys keeping it under control . Three weeks out on my second Moderna shot took a short trip to Chicago to see my cousins ya all of them got their shots as well.
Still using a mask in places with people around. Stay safe people get your shot.
Have you noticed since getting your vaccine that the grip that Apple products has had on your soul in years past beginning to lessen? I am sure Bill Gates is up to something.

[ABM423x]

i just keep my distance from people , and keep good hygiene.