rb26dett vs 2jz in s13 coupe

[Hyozan]

Hi Ive seen both of these engines in all kinds of 240s. Im wondering which swap is best. Im pushing towards the rb26 right now. im looking at all the ups an down of these swaps, like price, installation, specs of the engines an all that stuff. anything will help, an please no negetivity

[Zerolift Autolab]

I must assume you have big power plans for the vehicle ?

[JDM king240]

i want rb26 but it is expensive man ask the guy at raw6 too he is beast at this topic

[murda-c]

honestly i don't see any reason to go rb26 over 2jz. less displacement, rarer parts, turbos on wrong side...not worth it.

[PoorMans180SX]

As adamant as I am of putting a Nissan engine in an s-chassis, the 2jz seems to be much easier. And unless you plan a full, all-out build, it will make more power for less money.

[towlie]

Just do an rb25. Your 17, that will blow your socks off.

:)

[Hyozan]

I do have some good plans coming up for this car, I want an everyday driver, thats really fun to drive, and I want to be able to take it to the track for the drifting an time attack races I do. There only reason why I wouldn want to but an rb25 is because Ive always wanted a twin turbo car an because Ive driven a 240 with an rb26 an another one with a rb25. an to be honest the rb26 was way better in my opinion, but still a very good engine. An as for the 2jz, I havent driven a car with one in it but i went for a ride along in an is300 with the twin turbo 2jz swap an that ride pretty amazing. I like both of these engines its jus looking for one in the long run with be cheaper, funner and easy to up an find parts.

[chuki.s13.coupe.]

I like both of these engines its jus looking for one in the long run with be cheaper, funner and easy to up an find parts.
sr20 Msglngth

[Hyozan]

an also, if i did choose the jz, is it true both the 5 an 6 speed trans are weak transmissions?

[SnakeKack]

Hell no. The 6-speed is an amazing transmission. You'd probably want to go with the R154 transmission though. It's cheaper and pretty stout. Not as stout as the 6 speed but it's been known to handle heavy Supras with 700-800 HP. Besides, most 2JZ swaps kits and stuff like that are made in mind with using the R154.

[chuki.s13.coupe.]

Op, how much are you looking to invest in said swaps?

[millsaps]

rb30 thats what you want

[Hyozan]

Im jus looking to spend the amount needed to buy the stuff an put it in.

[chuki.s13.coupe.]

Your looking to spend $6,000+

[qoOp]

would also be fun smogging an rb unless u know someone :p

[drift freaq]

Fuck all that noise just drop a LS1 in there.


There this statement outta piss some people off. LOL

[AS240]

I would definitely go with the 2jz over a 26. again, parts are easier to come by and cheaper from what ive seen. when my rb25 died from an oil pump failure from nissan's failed attemp at an oil pump drive on the crank (another reason to go jz over rb), i was seriously considering going 2j and selling off my entire swap. i would kill to have a 2jz with usdm twins and standard mods (fmic, exhaust, upped boost). almost 400whp with no lag; thats really all you would need for autox/drift.

[mewantkouki]

They are both heavy ass boat anchors and chances are at 17 years old you can't afford either of them.

[KiLLeR2001]

I would go RB25 honestly. Most 2JZ owners go single turbo anyways to eliminate all the bullshit that comes along with the sequential setup.

[Wake]

Just picked up a VR38DETT for my s13.

Build thread coming soon......

[CleanAndLegit]

17? and you want a rb26 or 2jz, both go for over id say 5-6k+, will you be swapping yourself? wiring etc..., cheapest power is ls1 gl guy

[Silverstone]

13b.


/thread.

[drift freaq]

My LS1 comment was actually quite serious. If you look at it like this all the other engines discussed here are quite illegal for our cars. The LS1 actually gives HP numbers stock that are perfect for our cars. On top of that they can be totally legal done right and they get pretty damn decent gas mileage for a V8 as well.
I am on the VQ tip myself for two distinct reasons. Of all the engine setups for our cars only 2 stand a chance in hell to be legal for our cars. LS1 and VQ35.

Of these two the VQ setup is the lighter setup coming out and the exact same engine and trans weight setup as stock. Which means the car stays properly balanced.

This is my reasoning for running a VQ over a LS if I was not so hung up on this I would have already started moving down the road of an LS swap.

Oh and I ran a RB25 in a S13. As well as having SR powered S13's too.

[Pro ViZIon]

Just picked up a VR38DETT for my s13.

Build thread coming soon......

Haha. That's priceless.

[Hyozan]

Jus cause im 17 deosn mean i cant afford either. I have almos 7k saved up, an im jus trying to do research on these engines. An I dont want an ls series engine because my older brother lets me borrow his 70 chevelle, an I jus dont want a v8

[Flicktitty]

I would say of the two you listed do a 2JZGTE.

I have friends with RB25/RB26 swapped cars and they are alot of fun. But when and that is a WHEN not IF stuff breaks waiting days/weeks/months to find a replacement part sucks. Most if not all RB guy's i know have a stock pile of hard to find parts just incase something happens.

Where as a 2JZGTE you can get parts from Autozone/Advanced/Napa/etc oh not to mention a TOYOTA dealership. The swap isn't that hard at this point in time it is just MONEY all the hard work has been done by the founding swappers and have been put online.

either motor is a GOOD choice but 2JZ > 1JZ > RB26 > RB25

[Wake]

Says the guy with the 2JZ

lol

[Hyozan]

So your saying a 1jz or a 2jz over the rb's?

[Wake]

yes thats what he is saying

[babillaracing]

I would do a 2jz , but that just me .

[Hyozan]

I see. so would this be smart then, buy a 1jz an put some money into that, or jus blow all the money an jus buy a stalk 2jz?

[chuki.s13.coupe.]

Jus cause im 17 deosn mean i cant afford either. I have almos 7k saved up, an im jus trying to do research on these engines. An I dont want an ls series engine because my older brother lets me borrow his 70 chevelle, an I jus dont want a v8

Got bank statement to prove it? Lol jk

[redline racer510]

To me it sounds like your choosing an engine on the wow factor. The whole point of the rb26 is the awd factor which you lose swapping into and s13, the 2jz is a better choice because it has higher displacement, tried and true method to achieving high hp goals(400+). I have a rb25 because it was practical and reached my goals(I6,turbo,sounds awesome,nissan engine,smooth powerband) you need to be realistic. BTW bang for your buck would be ls1, plenty of torque cheap to maintain, replacement parts easy to attain, slap a turbo on and you got a monster although they aren't built to handle much boost in stock form.

[Hyozan]

oh i see an no i dont have a bank statement its cash sitting in my room. An im not trying to go on the wow factor, its jus i know these engine are powerful an unique engins. I would like to try to stay in the jdm an not go for an american v8, its not my prefference.

[JSimpson]

Word man. I hate all these guys between 25 and 35 who shit on us for being young and talking about these expensive swaps... Don't they realize we have nothing but cars to waste all our money on lol.

But as far as the topic at hand, "2JZ engine no shit" ...havent you seen Fast and furious?!

[2JZNo_S**t]

2jz no s***?!?!

[Wake]

What you guys need to realize that us "old" guys. Are trying to get you to do your own research and answer your own questions. Just like we had to do when we were your age ans NOBODY was doing swaps yet.

Problem is you guys just get mad at us and take it personal instead of taking the initiative to do the research and answer all the questions you may have had.

Basically we already know where the info is, and its not hard to find. We just want to see the next generation of car guys be responsible and know what they are doing, Not just ask what will basically amount to someones opinion.

[Hyozan]

hahahaha i agree. were young an waste our money on our rides. an that is true that supra is an amazing car. an i understand were your coming from wake bhr. I have done a lot of research, dont get me wrong i like to learn things on my own, but its always good to see what other people know to as well, so you can exspand your own knowlege, isnt that correct?

[redline racer510]

oh i see an no i dont have a bank statement its cash sitting in my room. An im not trying to go on the wow factor, its jus i know these engine are powerful an unique engins. I would like to try to stay in the jdm an not go for an american v8, its not my prefference.



Let me break this down for you. Usually when people ask really ignorant questions(by no mean calling you uneducated) and also can't properly spell or properly put a sentence together(might want to listen to those red lines sometimes) people on car forums especially on Zilvia really won't take you seriously, increasingly when you bring large amounts of money into the spotlight.
BTW the most powerful of those engines happens to be the v8(ls1) so yea it does sound like your in it for the wow factor not functionality.

[Hyozan]

Guess that would be your opinion. an the way i type an spell has nothing to do with any of this. i only spell this an type the way i do cause its my style regardless if you like it or not. an the some of money that was brought up was only brought up to see what were my options. an if you think im in it for the wow factor then fine doesn matter. ill continue with my research an figure it out when the time comes. an my answer stands for the ls series engine. i will not put one in my 240, maybe in a future car, but not this one.

[redline racer510]

Nothing of what was said is an opinion.
1.Usually when people ask really ignorant questions(by no mean calling you uneducated) and also can't properly spell or properly put a sentence together(might want to listen to those red lines sometimes) people on car forums especially on Zilvia really won't take you seriously, increasingly when you bring large amounts of money into the spotlight.

Answer:
How many threads do you want me to copy and paste that have the same type of question and material that has been covered many time that have been flamed to hell?
BTW this is not an opinion.


2.BTW the most powerful of those engines happens to be the v8(ls1) so yea it does sound like your in it for the wow factor not functionality.

Answer:
rb26dett 280hp/260tq
2jzgte 321hp/320tq
ls1 350hp/361tq
Again not an opinion.

So let me get this, you like writing like your illiterate and you call it "your" style, that really shows your intelligence. Please prove me wrong, show us some drift and autocross racing you do with your "silver" top s14 engine. I really do think your in it for the wow factor if you are really serious with drifting or autocross it wouldn't even be a guess to what engine would be the best choice not that it would be the only choice but the obvious one non the less. IMHO just skip to the future car with the LS1 engine and please do continue your research.

[JSimpson]

WHO CARES if a "rod pushin" POS chevy makes more power stock? If we were all crazy about power we would have foxbody stangs with TT 5.0s making 1000hp... The kid clearly wants an inline 6 mainly because A. they sound like sex compared to v8 B. they make alot of power. and C. They have the ability to turn up the boost and beat the hell out of an LS

2JZ FTMFW

[AS240]

I agree 100% with JSimpson on this one. its also a known fact that nissan and toyota under-rated the power of their engines. and when you're doing a swap, you expect most people to throw on an exhaust and all the other bpu mods.
my rb25 makes 315whp on the stock turbo with a safc. i poop all over my friends ls1 coupe all day. id hate to see what a r26 or even a 2j would do with the stock twins and the same mods.

[redline racer510]

LOL, no doubt, we can get 1000hp from just about anything these days, but the reason I took the position I did was because he brought up drifting and autocross and the likely hood he is on a budget which does't make sense to me. A ls1 swap isn't nearly as expensive as a rb26/2jz and is really easy to make power with reliably and has plenty of low-mid range torque which is ideal for drift and autocross with driving skill set aside. And apparently the pro drift community cares enough to create a class for the "rod pushin" POS chevy(really v8's but most are ls engines). Dont get me wrong I'm not a Chevy whore but you got to admit their pretty badass engines when put in a s-chassis. eeewwwwwwwwwwww 5.0 foxbody blahhhhhh.

[curbhuggerrps13]

They have the ability to turn up the boost and beat the hell out of an LS

2JZ FTMFW

....till the ls decides to boost too

[AS240]

the only ls that has ever pulled on me, (besides those damn ls7s..7.0L wtf is that sh!t?), is my friends ls2 6 speed vert. sikky longtubes that lead to a single apexi n1 dual, intake, and a tune made 399whp. bastard just walks me WITH THE TOP DOWN! lol. he got the motor for dirt cheap, but is was most certainly not cheaper than my entire rb25 swap.

[drift freaq]

Guess that would be your opinion. an the way i type an spell has nothing to do with any of this. i only spell this an type the way i do cause its my style regardless if you like it or not. an the some of money that was brought up was only brought up to see what were my options. an if you think im in it for the wow factor then fine doesn matter. ill continue with my research an figure it out when the time comes. an my answer stands for the ls series engine. i will not put one in my 240, maybe in a future car, but not this one.


So you are saying in effect your style is to look and be considered illiterate? Reallly? I mean really. Because that is what you are stating above.

If that is so you will have a hard time having people take you seriously in life. Oh and they will think you are ghetto even if you aren't.

Don't get pissed because I am telling you this. You asked for advise and opinions and you did it in a really screwed up way.

Now lets get back to the engine thing.

I have run a RB25 in a S chassis and while it was powerful I do not think it was ideal and I would most likely not do it again. Same goes for my opinion on a 2J or a 1j.

This may freak some people out because I was a big proponent of RB's and whatnot. Great engines for cars designed to handle an inline 6. Which technically S chassis's were not. The engine compartment is barely large enough length wise. Yes the engine will fit but no its not ideal and you have to do certain things outside the norm to compensate.

With that said if you are intent on keeping it a Japanese engine then I would say go with a VH45 or a VQ. VH45's could be had for damn cheap to . $500 a engine. You will have to purchase a $1200 adapter plate to bolt up a manual trans though.

Or you could run a VQ35DE Engine and trans weight equal to that of a stock KA and trans. Fits in the engine bay nicely. Has a lot of torque. Can be quite fast.

Now that I have literally given you the info you should have done your own research for I suggest you take heed on the grammar suggestions. If you want to be taken seriously.

[JSimpson]

....till the ls decides to boost too

2jz is a head gasket and head studs away from holding 1000hp internally. Pistons would be flying through the hood if you pushed an LS that far on stock internals.

Also, unrelated to the OP, a far cheaper way to surpass boosting an LS just to have 600-700hp: A chevy sprint car motor has the same bellhousing bolt pattern as LS, weights on the south side of 350lbs, has 410ci, revs 8500RPM, and a shittttyyy weak one makes 750hp NA. $7k for 800hp!

I agree with above poster, VH45 is awesome but in a much different way than a 2J/RB. And if you need the wiring done for it hit me up, my VH harnesses are cheap and badass!

[drift freaq]

Oh and by why I want to see hands of how many people in this thread are actually running 500hp plus S chassis's on the street. LOL

Seriously I have seen so many threads were people talk big about running or building a 500+ HP S chassis for street use. I bet most of you would not even know how to handle driving that.

Not putting anyone down but the fact is there are around a handful of guys on this forum with cars like that. The majority are just dreamers that don't have more than 200 HP on tap maybe 250.
I owned and ran a 300+whp S chassis on the street i.e. close to 380hp flywheel. It was a monster and fast as hell. ( Yes it was an RB car)
I start seeing people talk about 500-700 hp cars and I just start laughing . Most would not be able to drive them, let alone actually having them.

Call me jaded but I know its the truth.

[JSimpson]

My hand is up LOL. Anything north of 475whp is just dumb until 4th you are correct

[Sideways570sx]

oh i see an no i dont have a bank statement its cash sitting in my room. An im not trying to go on the wow factor, its jus i know these engine are powerful an unique engins. I would like to try to stay in the jdm an not go for an american v8, its not my prefference.

For one you have 7 grand sitting in your room? Dumb. For two, your comment about staying jdm, is a very typical fanboy response. Get with the times and look at the facts. Ls1 is a better overall bang for the buck swap. Not only for that reason, but you really dont have much saved. Money for the swap alone is not enough, think about shit you will find on the way, need to replace or upgrade. Then u get it running right? Shit goes wrong again, u have money for that? Foe the tune? For all the shit you wont be able to do. I bet you theres guys on here with rb26dett swaps that have at least 20k into the engine. Hell i know sOme guys that have 15 grand into NA ls1s. And tbose parts are way cheaper to upgrade then a rb26. Bang for the buck reliability and performance on a budget. Ls1. Or just go sr for the fanboys.

[towlie]

Oh and by why I want to see hands of how many people in this thread are actually running 500hp plus S chassis's on the street. LOL

Seriously I have seen so many threads were people talk big about running or building a 500+ HP S chassis for street use. I bet most of you would not even know how to handle driving that.

Not putting anyone down but the fact is there are around a handful of guys on this forum with cars like that. The majority are just dreamers that don't have more than 200 HP on tap maybe 250.
I owned and ran a 300+whp S chassis on the street i.e. close to 380hp flywheel. It was a monster and fast as hell. ( Yes it was an RB car)
I start seeing people talk about 500-700 hp cars and I just start laughing . Most would not be able to drive them, let alone actually having them.

Call me jaded but I know its the truth.

Thanks for bringing that up.

I always get a laugh from people throwing out numbers and engines like it's no big deal

"Sup guys, I have 7k and I can't decide which motor I want for my 500whp street car. Oh yeah I'm 17 and have only been driving for a year now."

For one you have 7 grand sitting in your room? Dumb. For two, your comment about staying jdm, is a very typical fanboy response. Get with the times and look at the facts. Ls1 is a better overall bang for the buck swap. Not only for that reason, but you really dont have much saved. Money for the swap alone is not enough, think about shit you will find on the way, need to replace or upgrade. Then u get it running right? Shit goes wrong again, u have money for that? Foe the tune? For all the shit you wont be able to do. I bet you theres guys on here with rb26dett swaps that have at least 20k into the engine. Hell i know sOme guys that have 15 grand into NA ls1s. And tbose parts are way cheaper to upgrade then a rb26. Bang for the buck reliability and performance on a budget. Ls1. Or just go sr for the fanboys.

So by your logic, anyone who has a Japanese motor in their Japanese car and prefers to not have an LS, is a fanboy?

[Sideways570sx]

I said it that way because hes dismissing the idea of an ls1. Which like i said is typical fanboy talk. Judging by your response, u might be the type. Did u see me post that any nissan engine swaps into s chassis are fanboy shit? No. His post came off that way, so im just making sure hes not thinking that way. Haha

[curbhuggerrps13]

Op it's your car and your money, be serious about practicality and use that money for hookers and blow....duh

[towlie]

Haha, I'm not denying that the OP is a fanboy.. Made that quite obvious with the "keep it jdm" remark :keke:

Did u see me post that any nissan engine swaps into s chassis are fanboy shit?

Or just go SR for the fanboys

Dur, what?

[beto300zx]

The only thing or suggestion I can give you is:

1. Keep your KA.
2. Learn the basics about car control (watch the drift bible).
3. Invest the money you have in suspention, brakes and tires.
4. Do the most events that you can, autocross, drift and road race.

You will know when the time is right to move to something better and bigger, when the time comes you will know your driving style and what you need, than build the car for your needs.

I hope that really helps, good luck.

[tehkmob]

Just picked up a VR38DETT for my s13.

Build thread coming soon......

Wow, good luck with that... how much you spend on the motor if you dont mind me asking.. I already spoke with a shop having a bitch of a time mounting a tranny to it. Good luck. unique as fuck but risky as hell.

[tehkmob]

Jus cause im 17 deosn mean i cant afford either. I have almos 7k saved up, an im jus trying to do research on these engines. An I dont want an ls series engine because my older brother lets me borrow his 70 chevelle, an I jus dont want a v8

Fuck a 2J and a RB, for 500+ on a rb reliably expect to spend 5k+ in parts and tuning alone, not to mention the oiling demons RB's have that cause failures. 2J is cheaper, more reliable but still looking at spending close to 10k to complete swap before mods unless your a mechanical guru...

LS swap is the way to go.. And fuck a chevelle, It weighs almost 4k lbs, its night in day from a chevelle 4k lbs to a s13 2200 lbs... Besides over 500 hp in a S chassis is pretty redundant... if you really set on a swap, swap a VQ35DE (HR is overpriced and parts are expensive.) you can get everything for a DE swap for under 4K and my Z33 STOCK can run side by side with a R6 from 50-100 (almost actually he'll pull my front bumper but from 100-140 I can catch and start to pass...

Your layout:
1: Swap a VQ in your car
2: LEARN how to drive!!
3: mod VQ accordingly

Trust me, a SR and VQ are night and day as well, I'd swap a vq over a sr anyday.

In the end you'll do whatever you want, But im sure if you dont have the seat time you're 1: gunna kill yourself (Which I pray you dont, I hate seeing people die in cars) or 2: all that money is going to be a waste cuz you'll prolly kill your car..

Be reasonable with your decision, I've had my Z33 for 3 years and left the motor stock, I've had a z06 engine sitting in the garage for a year. I'm prolly going to swap THAT into a S13 and leave my Z be..

Hope I shed some light on some things for you, and that I might have been just a little helpful in your decision.

~Dustin

edit: Oh, to add, The fastest car In Japan for some years WAS (not sure if it still is) a twin turbo c5 z06, just some food for thought on what the JDM's are doing. Not to mention a shop Apartment 9 Just dropped a built LS7 into a s13 chassis.. So about keeping it JDM... Your the only one, hhahaa the JDM's are keepin it USDM...

[Wake]

Hey Dustin,


Your a fucking idiot.






Everyone else,
The kid said he doesnt want a chevy V8, fucking drop it.


OP,
I say you VQ it and call it a day.

[babillaracing]

for 500 whp i would do the ls swap. at the end will be cheaper .

[Flicktitty]

Says the guy with the 2JZ

lol

:rofl::2c:

I would do a 2jz , but that just me .
O RLY?


- Side note, My buddy had a RB26/BW S366 in a S13 hatch and took it out for a 2JZ. that's gotta be telling you something there. look at everyone pulling out RB/KA-T/SR/LS for a JZ car.

[tehkmob]

Ouch... :wtf:
Hey Dustin,


Your a fucking idiot.

[Wake]

Im gonna wait 2years and go SR

Nobody will have em anymore.

[babillaracing]

Oh and by why I want to see hands of how many people in this thread are actually running 500hp plus S chassis's on the street. LOL

Seriously I have seen so many threads were people talk big about running or building a 500+ HP S chassis for street use. I bet most of you would not even know how to handle driving that.

Not putting anyone down but the fact is there are around a handful of guys on this forum with cars like that. The majority are just dreamers that don't have more than 200 HP on tap maybe 250.
I owned and ran a 300+whp S chassis on the street i.e. close to 380hp flywheel. It was a monster and fast as hell. ( Yes it was an RB car)
I start seeing people talk about 500-700 hp cars and I just start laughing . Most would not be able to drive them, let alone actually having them.

Call me jaded but I know its the truth.


count me in the 500whp club lol

[redline racer510]

Where is the op?

[Sideways570sx]

Hopefully putting his money in the bank like a nomal human being

[Wake]

I dont use banks, Shit is a rip off.

Im also not a normal human being so.......nvmd

[Chaluska]

LSX > 2j > ALL OTHER OPTIONS.

and whoever said a inline 6 sounds better than a V8, is out of there mind...

to the OP, just buy a bunch of fluid resivior socks, and do a wire tuck to your stock KA, it will look just like a honda bay, and you will blend in great with the JDM crowd.

http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o366/Lotties-pics/01%20-%20FT05%20CSV%20Build%20Up/Socks.jpg

[redline racer510]

muuuuuuuuuggggggeeeennn pooooooooooowwwwwaaaaaaaa lol.

[91coupesr20det]

Dustin your a moron. My Sr would eat Ur z for breakfast LOL. I do it all the time. But anyway OP. im Only 20 and started getting lnto these cars at 17. Dont listen to theses haters. Do whatever you want. Im taking my 400hp Sr out in favor Of a 2jz.