C. Anderson

I would like to see you remove an epoxied riveted overfender and replace it in 10 min. considering you have to get all of the old glue off of the metal 1/4 panel. Rivets do come loose over time if you don't use some type of epoxy if it is tracked. The body will just flex and give them a little play. I don't know about everybody else but I use overfenders to run a wheel track. As far as the side skirts I don't run with the screws in them at events. I run zipties in them because if I dirt dropped or hit a cone the zipties would just break and leaving the screws in would do MORE damage by breaking all the mounting points not allowing for it to come off. I really don't care what it looks like but it works and I like the way they look. It will be a track car in about 2 months so it would be nice to be able to repair things easier. If you like show cars thats fine but I like track cars more because they are actually used. Overfenders look awsome IMO.

Dr.Baby

why the hell are you guys epoxying overfenders + rivents???? pick one, they dont come loose if you know how to use a rivet gun and use the proper sized rivets.

either way, og poster, good idea, i wouldnt do it but it doesnt look bad and its a cool idea.

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JRas

that car is sexy

very nice job

just a suggestion but maybe paint them the same color as the car so they don't stick out as much?

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C. Anderson

Thanks! I've thought about painting them or just getting them powdercoated.

racepar1

It only takes about 10 mins to drill out the rivets and remove the panel, removing the epoxy or silicone would OBVIOUSLY take longer.

That's because you are using the wrong rivets and it SHOULD be attached with an epoxy of some sort. Overfenders are of course used so that you can run wider wheels with less offset.

That is why everybody attaches their body panels with zip ties. I think it is stupid, but that is only because I track my car not drift it.

You are barking up the wrong tree about track cars vs show cars man. I am a well known track whore here. The only difference is that I do not drift, nor do I have a ton of interest in doing so regularly. If you like it then cool, I just don't (especially with the silver allen bolts). Smashing an overfender is not something I would be worried about and on top of that if you do smash one it is quite likely that you will have larger issues then simply replacing the overfender itself. So it really doesn't make sense to go to the trouble of trying to make it easily replaceable.

I am not talking about a heavy duty epoxy, just something to keep the edge of the overfender tight with the metal between the rivets.

Katsumbhong

Correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't the use of NutSerts on exterior paneling of a car make it easier for thieves to Deebo your shit?

C. Anderson

My point exactly. NO glue.


What, pop rivets. Also why would you need glue if your using the "correct" rivets.


Again, my point except why is it stupid not wanting to damage expensive body parts. I want to see your car and see how the "aero" actually makes a difference other than asthetics.


Well ok then track whore. I drift my car on a track and I autocross my car on a track, both of those are motorsports on a track. So both of those would mean "tracking" it. My interior will be gutted and caged soon so if you want to talk about not being pretty you can look inside of a track car. Its for function dude.


Um not necessarily. You should know this if your on a track so much.


Whatever dude you don't like it, fine. I'm contributing my ideas to this forum and you can take your "track knowledge" somewhere else.

racepar1

And that is why it looks stupid it is not attached to the fender in between the horrible looking bolts.

To keep the fiberglass tight to the car in between the rivets, god you fail at reading!


Because it looks retarded to have zip ties hanging all over the car. It also does take away from the aerodynamic effectiveness of the bodywork by allowing it to flex. Also it would be annoying to have bumpers/sideskirts randomly fall off for no reason, which I have seen before. I'll be sure to send you pics of my ducting and front undertray set-up next month after I build it so that you can see what aero is supposed to look like.

Why the fuck are you insulted by my previous statement here? I did not attack you or your supposed track car at all. You keep referring to "pretty", why is that? If you wanna see my car look at my photo gallery, It is pretty apparent that being pretty is not my primary concern.

Again, WTF is wrong with you? I did not attack you or your supposed "track experience" either. You're butthurt because I strongly dislike the way you attached your overfenders and I told you about it. Well boo hoo, get over it! It looks fucking stupid to me. The logic behind doing it like that is stupid as well. I've been off the track/autocross course a few times before and none of them would have theoretically damaged an overfender. Anytime I have seen a car get into an accident that would theoretically damage an overfender the car was damaged badly enough in other ways that replacing the overfender would not be the primary issue.

bbejj123

its always better to be safe than sorry...and i have yet to see a rivet come loose unless it was installed incorrectly... but great idea we used some on our fleet electric trucks for the electrical box brackets but never thought of using for widebody =)

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bigtom

haha....my gandmama gave me that fender....!

But seriously this is how things should be done. I have done this many times. Nutserts, also called rivnuts. The next step is to use a special made rubber panel isolator so the panels dont crack or rub the bolts themselves. Not likely to be useful at an autox. But, on a real track door to door you could need to replace parts.

Real professional race teams do this all the time. The ability to keep the aero happy and keep your sponsors happy in the event of a damaged sticker is important to change quickly. I am happy to see someone thinking outside the standard box and having an idea. If you are interested in the panel/bolt isolaters PM me. They are designed for a larger 5/16 bolt though. The tool for that is about $250 though. Use 5/16 nylock rivnuts.

as for theft, well if you guys think it looks so horrible maybe no one would want to steal it.
In my experience people still just take the whole car.

hunter8411

Car looks good however I do think it would probably look better with some black allen screws instead of the chrome ones. Good idea and thanks for the info.

bigtom

you can get breakaway bolts as well the help with theft, but why?

C. Anderson

Theft of 1/4 panels is not a problem here. And racepar1 it works and my aero doesn't just fall off. I don't drive my car fast enough on courses for aero to be effective. How about keeping stupid comments to yourself because it seems like you start sh!t and have usless posts all over this forum. If you want to take this tread off topic PM me.

Maximamike

I like it. It really doesn't look that much different than rivets the head is just a little bit bigger.

efrain240sx

+1 for you sir on a good write up, oh and you're car looks sick man, I love those enkei's on it. I'm going to be using these nut inserts on my s30 for my ZG flares

JVD

Hahaha. Ugly looking bolts?

Pics of your car compared to OP's? The guy used bolts instead of rivets. BIG DEAL. Last time I checked his car is still 100000000x cooler looking than yours.

You always get in pissing matches over the dumbest shit.

MavericStephenc

I second that statement. (not saying my s14 looks good by any means)

Bottom line is it's not what everyone else has done. so what if they're chrome?
To the OP: get em' gold plated and keep em' looking

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thefro526

That's an excellent way of attachment. We use rivets on my robotics team all the time and we've ran into issues when we need a quick replacement on the fly. I know this would be a cool option for some of the stuff we do and it looks like it works great on body panels. Imo, I think with the right bolts it'll look pretty cool. The stainless ones don't look bad at all but you could rock some black ones for a more low profile appearance.

Also another problem that some of you may or may not have experienced is when you use the same hole to much it tends get wider over time or if you don't drill out the old rivet straight then you can ruin the hole and a new rivet will be far too loose to attach.

C. Anderson

Thanks everybody so much! Hmmm GOLD BABY!!!!!!! Glad I could help thefro526 and everybody else out. BTW I will be getting the hardware powdercoated black.

HS13KLS

god you all are bickering so much. his car looks gooood. the idea is awesome. would i do it to my car?(well now that i have seen it done, yea i actually want to). do you honestly think anyone is just going to walk down the streen and try and steal someone quarter? probably not. i like how it looks.

off topic. whats your wheel sizes?

Deftec

I'm not too fond of the riveted look, and that reminds me of it. But I do like the fact that it'd be just as simple to remove, and slightly faster, than rivets would be. Would also be good for the sideskirts.

One thing I've wondered about using are similar, but they use a flatscrewdriver/etc for the more prostreet/professional drag cars. Take off like 5 of these, whole panels/hoods/etc come off.

chetacheese

i was looking into this stuff. does anyone know if there is an alternative to this that looks more moderate?

Maximamike

Dzus quarter turns.

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chibo

Really cool idea and doesn't look bad at all.

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C. Anderson

Here are the wheel sizes. http://zilvia.net/f/chat/129865-whee...ml#post2301164