2_fast_240

So, im running 245/40/18 tires in the front. The passenger side barely clears the plate thats welded to the strut were the spring sits. The drivers side rubs.

Pictures speak louder than words

Passenger side


Drivers side


So, 1st question. I will be getting some kind of aftermarket suspension in the future. Probably coilovers. Will I be able to get more clearance out of coilovers? Or should I just accept the fact I need smaller tires?

Well, I was trying to figure out what to do about this for the time being. I took a few measurements and discovered the knuckle sits higher on the drivers side.



So, I was thinking about elongating the holes on the strut so I can lower the whole knuckle/spindle down a hair. Like so...(drill out area in blue)



Then just tack weld a washer or something on there so it cant slip and move.
This brings up my 2nd question.
How bad would this throw off my alignment?
I will have to get an alignment anyway due to new wheels and the hicas lock bar I have. But will they even be able to get it aligned if I move that knuckle down?

Any help is greatly appriciated. Thanks in advance guys.

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2_fast_240

And just for fun

Here is a pic with 30mm overfenders mocked up.



Heres a link if you wanna see a bigger pic.
http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/d...g?t=1217629033

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Sileighty_85

You need Coil Overs dont be cheap

Modifying your suspention by cutting and welding them is just one way to get your self killed quickly when that shit breaks and falls apart when taking a corner.

and your pics suck (too small)

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LayNLow

Coilovers are smaller in diameter, so yes most will clear. But for right now, why go through all of that when you can grab some 5-10mm spacers and throw them on the front?

!Zar!

Just buy a slip on spacer.

Done.

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2_fast_240

Well, problem fixed. I just swapped out the strut/spring from my other s13. I think the one might have been a little defective from the factory. It was 5/16 higher than the other 2 which are exactly the same.

And spacers wouldnt have done shit. Unless it was like 3". It was hitting the top of the tire, not the side. Thought I made that clear.

And I dont know why the pics were posted so small.

So coilovers are smaller in diameter. But what about that plate the spring sits on? Is it higher than stock, or adjustable on most?

Thanks for all the love guys

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5t341tH

there wont be that plate thing on coilovers. the spring sits on collars instead. and spring is a lot smaller than the springs u have now

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Flybert

Are you serious? All he said was he was going to slot a hole and weld a washer on there. It's not rocket science and was a good simple solution to his problem. It's a good way of ditching the eccentric bolts on the rear subframe when you have fully adjustable arms. I've cut numerous suspension components and had my dad weld numerous things for me. I track my car and haven't died yet. Some stuff we've done.

Custom shortened traction rods. Ran them for a full season of drifting so far. OMG I'm going to die.




Boxed traction rod brackets on rear subframe. OMG I'm going to die.


OMG. Get that man away from my car. I'm going to die.


Drove a car with a welded diff we did. OMG I'm going to die.


Custom tigged exhaust. OMG It's going to break off and I'm going to die.


Custom intercooler pipes. Too much boost. Welds are going to blow and I'm going to die.


My friends old corolla that we shortened the shock bodies and ran short stroke shocks. He didn't die but he was lucky.

!Zar!

Well, it's safe to say, Flybert should be dead.

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Sileighty_85

Wow Flybert Your Cool, especially since you have your Daddy doing all your welding.

Well not everyone is as good a welder as your Daddy, maybe this kid has a Harbor Frieght Welder.

Wow a modified traction arm your Dangerous , as apposed to modifying the struts that hold the weight of the entire front of of the car.

Seeing that if those welds break its gonna slam the strut on top of the tire maybe causeing him not able to turn, or causing his wheels turn left or right in to a wall or ditch.

Regardless he being cheap. and Rolling on 18's on stock suspension looks retared, that just typical ricer mods, "Im gonna get a body kit and rims and slap them on my car, All show no go baby!!"

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Coilovers will have less clearance since the spring sits lower on the shock body.

My advice, get lower offset wheels. The tires aren't an issue if they're not sitting under the car three feet.

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stfu
people modify front struts to put on certain coilovers and sleeves
my buddy did it on his bmw for the coilovers he got.

go back to your hole. your information sucks. kill yourself.

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You think welding on sus is dangerous?
Look at some of the OEM welds on parts of our cars.

If someone could not do better than that with one eye closed, I would be suprised. It'll be just fine.

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!Zar!

His dad is a G. You seriously have NO idea what you are talking about, so I suggest you quit spewing that filth.

Shit, like EVERY 86 owner has to weld the shocks brackets.

Not to mention most all other cars that don't have plug and play parts.

Instead of posting up false information on shit you don't know, how about you pick up a book.

Might learn something.

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2_fast_240

Since when is a built KA w/ a t3/t04e no go.
If you had actually fucking read you would see Im getting coilovers in the near future. Not everyone can fork out $5k at one time ya know.
I would rather have stock suspension, and traction, than coilovers and little dinky 205 tires. I dont see how thats rice. But I dont care what you think anyway.

Thank you to everyone else for entertaining my idea. Good to know I might have got away with it if I needed to.

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Any idea how much lower the spring sits?
The offset is 25. Even if it was 0 I would have had the same problem though. The wheel is gonna be sitting under the spring regardless of offset. At least from what I saw.

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Sileighty_85

But hes not modifying to do any of that he riggin up OEM struts to put on 18's rather than waiting to upgrade to coilovers and doing it correctly

I didnt say anything bad about his Dad.

Sure I dont know what im talking about... I didnt tear down an S13 in Japan and Ship it piece by peice and built it up here in the states...

Educate yourselves http://zilvia.net/f/chat/178498-my-p...-beware-3.html

Lets see the strut is rubbing the top of the tires?
So hes gonna enlongate the holes for the strut bolts raise the strut then weld a washer to hold the bolt? which means there is still space above the washer so if the welds fail, the strut will drop back down on top if the tire.... not a hard concept to understand that if hes goin 80 mph bad shit will happen if those welds fail
(if using a crappy welder of course)

I never had to that on my 86
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/836774





Well we work on Nissan here So there there are HUNDREDS of plug and play parts

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Flybert

It's OK that your dad was never this cool. I'm 27 and am proud to say that my dad is one of the coolest guys I know when it comes to fabrication. Why would I weld it on my own if he can use his 25 years of welding experience and put it into each and every weld he does, so take the whole "my daddy" bullshit and shove it up your ass.


First off, think about this. The bolts that go through the holes drilled in the front strut brackets aren't the exact same size as the bolts going through them. There is the tiniest bit of play. With your mentality why wouldn't those bolts slip and make noise while you are driving on a regular basis? It's because the bolts when tightened down hold the clamp the bracket to the spinlde and hold it in place and prevent it from slipping. The same could be said if you welded a washer on there. If he wanted to weld washers on there, he would have the force of the nut and bolts clamping the washer on to the strut bracket as well as the weld itself holding it on there It would never break. I don't think any decent welder would charge much to weld on some washers so I don't think he'll have a problem there as well.

Living in japan has left you jaded. Here in America, we cut shit, we weld shit, and trust in our own fabrication. Maybe one day you can go back to Okinawa where it's all bolt on parts and a place where most people pay to install there stuff.


What does this have to do with his question? He already committed to 18's with tall tires and a bodykit with stock suspension. It's ugly but it's what he has chosen to do. Maybe buying coilovers isn't an option seeing how he's trying to come up with some cheap ways of making this setup work. Isn't that shit obvious?

And knocking on this guys car when you drive this? Stock looking wheels, smurf blue paint, sunken battleship stance up front, and a sil80 of all things. Sil80's were only cool in the 90's pal. Guess you didn't get that memo.




Here's a picture of what people in America do to convert their front suspension into an adjustable coilover suspension. If we all thought like you, every corolla owner that does this would be scared that the welds are going to break because the "weight of the entire front of of the car" is on it. OMG, every corolla owner is going to die. Just because you didn't do it to your 4x4 corolla in japan doesn't mean you know what you are talking about.

Sileighty_85

Dude I was never talking shit about your dad.

Im just more of a guy that does everything on his own, Even if my Dad could do somthing better than me I would like to do it myself, and your first comment that you left was a little rude and got under my skin.
So that why I snaped at ya

Yeah its a tiny bit but when he gets done its gonna be 1/2 inch or somthing of space above it. even though its clamp 1,200lbs will be pushing on that washer.
I still wouldnt trust it, that just me.

wow you dont know what your talking about when it come to how things work in Japan.

Right we dont modify anything over there cuz they have bolt in SR20's Kits in to AE86's with V-Mount set ups




Other ppl may do that pay for that shit but not me
I am the ONLY person to touch any of my cars.

So why rush it I'd rather roll on stockies than 18's with stock suspension, having 18's on it with tires aint gonna give you better handling over a good pair of coils, even drag racing your gonna have a retarded amount of wheel hop

Paint: First of all its a rattle can paint job, I care more about performace than how my car looks and I dont remember Smurfs being this dark of a blue.

Id rather have a car that mechaincally fuctional than a good looking car that doesnt carry its own weight.

Rims: My dirft rims, Im waiting to finish my Engine and Suspension before I worry how its gonna look, I dont know how things work over there but paint and rims dont add power.

The Slivia front: You obliviouly dont know why ppl use it, the Slivia front is ligher then the 180SX front end and cheaper to get replacements (in Japan) and better air flow for the Radiator
You see I got the lights for free, I actually had the whole front end but I couldnt mail it home

Did you live is Japan??? I did. and the Silvia front end is still popular there.

Yes Im very aware of the T3 coil over conversions
well my 1983 brackets seem to hold very well, I never had a problem with any of that shit. seeing that it was my DD and drift car.

Again you dont know what your talking about, have you seen the roads in Okainawa? No? the main roads are awsome but then it comes to the neigborhoods and back roads if you got a lowered car and aero, your fucked. I actually destroyed the front bumper at the hight it was at.

Have you tried to find suspension parts in Okinawa?
Its like finding parts for a GTI-R
No body gets rid of that shit.
The best I could find is a set of RS*R coils


I would have loved to get the T3's but when your DD is your only means of transportation then sending off your
front struts is not an option (especially for 2 weeks)

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I understand that people do custom work and work on their own cars in japan but its definitely not as prevalent as in the US. You'd be lying if you said anything otherwise. Ask dousan. When shino kouba came out drifting with us down in SD, she was very surprised at all the work we do on our own cars and let us know that it's just not like that in japan.

What the hell are you smoking? He didn't mention having coilovers or having the option to get some. As for his tire choice, 245's (his tires) will definitely get you better handling than 195's (stock) in any type of driving you do including drag racing. Also, drag racers use stock suspension on 240's all the time here in the states because of the long stroke of the stock shocks and the ability of the car to squat a ton and get traction during the first part of the run. Most drag racers stick with stock stuff for this very reason.




Naw, I guess I don't know what it's good for (see pics of new front end and oil cooler setup below). You can easily make popups just as light as silvia headlights with some custom work. Some pics of my new front end and some pics of my old popup front end. Notice the lack of headlight motors with my old popups.

As for it being easier to come by silvia front end parts in japan, that is a bunch of bullshit. Do you know the production numbers of coupes vs. fastbacks? You do know every car in the US came with popups? How would that make silvia parts easier to come by? You are military so shipping from the US is cheap too





Other good ways of getting better venting to popup front ends.
Stream front.

N1 vents or whatever they are called.

Good old dremel.




You find one sileighty on the MSC challenge website, a drift series that occurs all over japan, and I'll show you a guy that has no sense of style or what is cool at the moment. You might wanna keep up with what's going in japan before you talk about what's cool out there.

http://www.motorsportscom.info/drift/

There are only 2 cool/decent sil80's in the world. One is a black one in japan and another is a white one that a friend of mine owns. Take some notes if you want to stick with that front end.



Seeing how you are military, you could have easily gotten replacement struts from the US for very little cost so I don't see any reason why you should have any excuses. Shit, you're telling a guy in this thread to just go get coilovers like its similar to going to the store and getting a carton of milk so I see no reason why getting stock struts from the US would be a problem for you.

Here's a a jxz100 that a friend of mine owned and I never heard him complain. The black car is his current car.




I'm done wasting my time with this thread.

Sileighty_85

True some what, it all depends on your area that your in, Mainland might be differnt seeing its more of a "richer" area so they can afford to have somone esle work on there car.
In Okinawa the only time you would see a shop working on someone car would be its cuz some dumb american kid bout a skyline and didnt know two shits about cars. or it was a girls car. (I dont mean that being Sexist)


I know if you read it I said nothing about him having coil overs,

I said If he is getting coil over why rush to put wheels on and spend the time and hassle modifying your suspension when you could just wait to do it right and buy coilovers.
But whatever.

I meant street racing
I find it hard to belive drag racer can fit those meaty ass tires under there on stock suspension.
Then again im not a drag racer

If you read the captions I stated that may camera phone did not capture the true color

You got too much time on your hands and sure anyone can photoshop a pic of a smurf



I was going for more of a GT-R Blue but Krylon only has so many colors.
Plus its spray paint, and like I said before I dont give two shits about paint color, I just wanted something beside a at hot ass black.





Is that your car with a Silvia Front?
If so your such a Hypocrite.

No bull shit dude there are tons of Silvia Q's rollin around in Okinawa. I could buy them from junk yards for like $20 a side.
Well I got tons of Japanese friends and my wifes family other there so If i need somthing I can get her brother or her cousin to get me stuff.

well you get that with the OEM Silvia front so you you dont have to pay 500 for a front bumper.




I was referring to street drifters in Okinawa (not americans)
and not pro drifters.

If I was a pro Drifter I would keep the 180SX front

So somthing is wrong with having an Origin Agressive Kit?

Being military does not give me the ability to get cheap parts. Cheap shipping to the US is the only bonus.
That how I brough my SR and parts with me

While i was living in Japan I was only making 600 every two weeks. Not much to survie on. so T3's were out of the question.

PLUS seeing that I could not bring My Hachi back with me I was not gonna dump Thousands of dollars into it and only get 3G's when I sell it.

Did he live in Mainland or Okinawa?

They are two differnt worlds if you didnt know.

Anyone can slam a car for a picture and raise it back up.

Looks good but
looks like a grocery getter, It doesnt look like he drifts it at all

Werd, Peace

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mike lived in mainland before he went to okinawa...and no shit that honda doesnt drift but thats his daily.

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I was referring to the Mark II

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So like, can someone on here please make my flca about 4cm longer?

DALAZ_68

Funtion>looks/cool factor/other peoples opinions...


50% of guys in Socal alone who do swaps in these cars are just doing it from hearsay...leave it stock and that were that journey ends
40% do it for show and HIN crap and what not...the car hardly sees the actual streets let alone a track
10% are the real guys who do swaps because they actually did reaserched and found a motor for there preference, who know how to work on there cars/ beat on there cars on and off the track


so u see there are different variables when u guys start bickering...there are preferences...and stubborn prides...


so please for fucks sakes both sides thank you for ending this pointless argument

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!Zar!

Oh what the fuck. This thread is still being shitted on by Sileighty_85.

You need to go.

Seriously.

You obviously put your foot in your mouth and know jack shit when it comes to real modifications. Not to mention when you started talking shit about his dad.

Sweet, went to japan for more than a week and think you are the lord of the flies or something.

Chris has said everything and more that has needed to be said.

Dude, you fail at life.

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Wow dude everything was fine until you opened your mouth.
First of all ZAR show me in this thread where I "Talked Shit" about his Dad. In no way did I say anything
derogatory about his Father.

Yeah ok I dont jack shit about cars.... Did you strip down a 180sx and ship it home through the post office???

I Did.

Dont Believe me? Take a look.

http://zilvia.net/f/chat/178498-my-p...ml#post1849981

How many ppl can say they striped down their Engine to the crank, ship it home through the post office and rebuild it?

Im pretty sure any old dumb ass that knows noting cannot do that.

Yeah Try 3 years, How long did you live there?


Well everyone had thier own opinion.

"Haters take It Personal"

Peace Zar

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!Zar!

You're the one who started all this shit talk of misinformation and useless crying.


Here you go.

Do you want a cookie? Sweet. You unbolted a car and put it in a few containers and put it back together. You know what.

You're the FIRST person EVERY to put a car together. Shit. I'm going to vouch for you if you ever need me to.

What's next, putting all the fluids in the car?

Yes, you posted that link full of fail earlier. Matter of fact, EVERYONE saw that thing you call a build.

People build motors all the time. NOTHING different.

Sweet you can put the square shaped block in the square hole!

This whole arument came up because you're claiming that is life threatening to weld components on a car. How do you think they are held in the first place? hahaha.

Ok, you've lived there three years.

Too bad you didn't pick up common sense while you were over there.


their*

I'm lulling as I type.

Peace, Prosper and Happiness.

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Actually i believe Fly Bert Started it with his whole "OMG im gonna die" Thing.
Sorry im not an expert on "ghetto rigging things" (Referring to the OP, just so you dont get confused)

Yeahhh Thats talking shit about him (Flybert) . that was meant as a serious response, His dad probaby is a kick ass welder.

Have You? No? Well if not you got reason to talk shit.

Quit hating dude.

Explain to me how having a built SR with Good Quality Parts is a Fail???

okkkk.... i was never refering to it being bad ass cuz its built.

Well not many ppl can, thats why Zilvia exists.

It was for modifying the front struts with rigging up welded on washers to raise it. Sorry for careing if the kid died.

Read the thread again and notice how this all went to shit is when Flybert Joined in.

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Always and forever, thats the pinky promise we made.
You're the reason why im smilin at the start of the day.
And i hope you kno i mean it everytime that i say.
I love you always and forever, it will always be the same.
The moment you're in pain, i wanna be there for you.
Cryin everytime you cry and sharin laughter with you.
When I look into your eyes i kno our love is really true.
Aint nothing i wont do if i can see my baby smile
Remember you can call me anytime you're feelin down.
No girl can take your place and love me like the way you do.
So im a hold you tight, cause i need you by my side.
It's me and you forever, babe i need you in my life.


We were created to find eachother
our favorite and down for us to love forever.
Our hands lockin tight, as i look into the eyes.
Of that one special person who would complete my life.
You were the one i chose, out of all the rest.
The one who i would cherish, and im puttin on my best.
Just to stay in your arms, as you hold me tight.
cuz baby, bein with you just feels so right.


Every single second that i live, im thinkin of you.
How we met was destiny, our love is honestly true.
Tell me what im suppose to do, if i aint got you here
I want to be the one thats by your side through the years.
Wanna be the one whose gon fight away all your tears.
Replacin it with happiness and take away all your fears.
One day we're gonna look at our pictures and reminisce.
Crazy are the things you do to me with just a little kiss.
I wouldn't trade you for the world, you're all that i need.
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And i love you, wit all my heart and soul till i die.
I truly need you, baby you're the light in my life.
And i kno it that one day for sure you're gonna be my wife.
Just hold on tight, because im always gon treat you right.
My baby and my closest friend, i love you baby girl.
Until the day i die, ill try to give you the world.


We were created to find eachother
our favorite and down for us to love forever.
Our hands lockin tight, as i look into the eyes.
Of that one special person who would complete my life.
You were the one i chose, out of all the rest.
The one who i would cherish, and im puttin on my best.
Just to stay in your arms, as you hold me tight.
cuz baby, bein with you just feels so right.


If loving you is wrong, than i dont want to be right.
Can't imagine what this life would be, without you by my side.
The day we met, i cant explain the way that i felt.
Feeling all these emotions that i cant even help.
If i didnt meet you, there wont be no smile on my face.
You doin everything to me to make my heart beat or race.
Every little thing we do is just so special to me.
We were meant to be thats something i truly agree
And i know its fate and destiny, i see it in your eyes.
Everytime you smile, i cant explain the feeling inside.
Always gonna treat you good, exactly like the first day.
Just promise to me baby that you'll never go away.

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