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elpelon · 05-03-2014, 08:43 PM

Redoing the front end on my 96 240sx, I am new to 240's, but have moderate experience with sports and muscle cars. Had the car up on jackstands to do the tie rods and I noticed that the bushings and ball joints on the front lower control arm need attention. I found this on Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/Godspeed-Nissa.../dp/B00B43T6IO

It Says 240sx, but also JDM as well. My concern is that JDM being RHD would be different than a USDM LDH part. I have beeen looking online and there are different part numbers for R and L sides. Will this be an issue?

Car is to be a daily driver with possibly an occasional autocross. Not into extreme drifting, or such.

Tried searching the forums, but I couldn't find anything. Any help would be appreciated.

rawgarage · 05-03-2014, 10:43 PM

Dude most of Godspeed stuff isn't great quality... That's why the description blows if you're dailying just stay stock... These aren't what you want

RalliartRsX · 05-03-2014, 11:12 PM

Get a set of Moog S14 speicifc ball joints from Rockauto for 47 shipped for the pair. Go to any autoparts store and rent a ball joint installer/remover. Do both sides and you should be all set

I just did both my sides last week and it took me about 45 mins.

The part number for the S14 Ball joint is (from Moog): K9820

Also, to note (and these are VERY important):
1) S13 and S14 control arms are NOT the same!
2) S13 and S14 ball joints (front lower) are NOT the same
3) Most part suppliers will have the same number for both S13 and S14. Take special note and realize this or you will get a S13 and it won't work on the S14
4) Godspeed, Isis, and all the other garbage should NEVER be used in any suspension components of the sort. The material quality is sub par at best, and when they fail, you run the rick of damaging both yourself, your car and worst case, other's vehicles as they fail on the highway
5) Right and left S14 ball joints are the SAME!

Goodluck

heychris · 05-04-2014, 09:46 AM

The ISIS stuff is fine for daily, however if you plan to run GS - ISIS etc you should upgrade the rod ends to Aurora ends....

Ch

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elpelon · 05-04-2014, 06:55 PM

I hate to hear that, but I was afraid it was too good to be true (Re Godspeed Parts) It would have solved a lot of problems. I already have a compleat set of Tien inner and outer Tie rods. The plan was to install them yesterday and do a brake job while I had everything apart, but when I got the car up on the stands and the wheels off I discovered the rack boot was all ripped up, The brake pads were the wrong ones, and the sway bar end links were shot also. (Apparently that was making most of the noise I've been hearing) I live in a little hick town, so the local parts store didn't have any of those parts in stock. I have them on order (Moog End-Links). Anyway, since I was under there, I started checking deeper, and found that in addition to the slightly worn ball joints, the tension rod end bushings were tearing in the middle, even though it appears that the prior owner had installed nice adjustable aftermarket units. The car has 128K on the clock. I was hoping to avoid installing/removing bushings by getting a compleat unit with the bushings already installed, as I have very limited facilities to work in. I do have a pretty good set of hand tools and a ball joint separator, and the control arms are in good shape other than the bushings/joints needing replacing. It looks like the best route considering my budget and facilities, is to replace the joints and bushings on my existing parts, even though it will be a lot more work.
I saw some youtube vids of people using home-made "redneck" bushing tools, and I think that might be the route to go. None of the auto parts stores in this area carry bushing tool kits.

Thanks for the heads up regarding the Godspeed parts. I will post an update as to how things go.

CaliforniaMayhem · 05-06-2014, 08:09 AM

Good info here. I might just order some Moog ball joints for my s13 now.

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elpelon · 05-06-2014, 06:54 PM

Saw a tool on Amazon yesterday for doing bushings. It's kinda pricey at $440 USD, but I figure when I'm done with my 240, I can use it on the wife-mobile, my ford sedan, and I believe I will soon be inheriting an 89 GMC short stepside that needs a lot of "Suspension Jesus". It would pay for itself in short order. Supposedly this tool kit removes and installs ALMOST any bushing with good hand tools. Unfortunately I believe it is a bit too small for the rear subframe bushes. but it looks like the ticket for most of the others.

http://www.amazon.com/Schley-SCH1110...ng+tool+manual

There is a youtube vid of a guy using one. It looks stupid easy.

RalliartRsX · 05-06-2014, 08:34 PM

^^ Except, the balljoint is not a bushing, so the tool is not applicable

silnv · 05-06-2014, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

^^ Except, the balljoint is not a bushing, so the tool is not applicable

Except he is talking about using it on bushings.

RalliartRsX · 05-06-2014, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silnv

Except he is talking about using it on bushings.

LOL! I was keeping on topic as far as him wanting to change balljoints

elpelon · 05-08-2014, 06:42 AM

Actually, the topic was lower control arms. There is a bushing on one end and a ball joint on the other, so you are both correct. Frankly, I have never done either, so any input is appreciated.
Have a funeral out of town this weekend, so it looks like next weekend, or the following before I tackle this, Oklahoma weather permitting.

05-03-2014, 08:43 PM	#1
elpelon Join Date: May 2014 Location: Oklahoma Age: 56 Posts: 11 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	S14 lower control arms JDM USDM Compatible Redoing the front end on my 96 240sx, I am new to 240's, but have moderate experience with sports and muscle cars. Had the car up on jackstands to do the tie rods and I noticed that the bushings and ball joints on the front lower control arm need attention. I found this on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Godspeed-Nissa.../dp/B00B43T6IO It Says 240sx, but also JDM as well. My concern is that JDM being RHD would be different than a USDM LDH part. I have beeen looking online and there are different part numbers for R and L sides. Will this be an issue? Car is to be a daily driver with possibly an occasional autocross. Not into extreme drifting, or such. Tried searching the forums, but I couldn't find anything. Any help would be appreciated.

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05-03-2014, 10:43 PM	#2
rawgarage Banned from the Marketplace Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: h o u s t o n Age: 32 Posts: 5,990 Trader Rating: (75) Feedback Score: 75 reviews	Dude most of Godspeed stuff isn't great quality... That's why the description blows if you're dailying just stay stock... These aren't what you want

05-03-2014, 11:12 PM	#3
RalliartRsX Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 4,755 Trader Rating: (32) Feedback Score: 32 reviews	Get a set of Moog S14 speicifc ball joints from Rockauto for 47 shipped for the pair. Go to any autoparts store and rent a ball joint installer/remover. Do both sides and you should be all set I just did both my sides last week and it took me about 45 mins. The part number for the S14 Ball joint is (from Moog): K9820 Also, to note (and these are VERY important): 1) S13 and S14 control arms are NOT the same! 2) S13 and S14 ball joints (front lower) are NOT the same 3) Most part suppliers will have the same number for both S13 and S14. Take special note and realize this or you will get a S13 and it won't work on the S14 4) Godspeed, Isis, and all the other garbage should NEVER be used in any suspension components of the sort. The material quality is sub par at best, and when they fail, you run the rick of damaging both yourself, your car and worst case, other's vehicles as they fail on the highway 5) Right and left S14 ball joints are the SAME! Goodluck

05-04-2014, 09:46 AM	#4
heychris Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: SkiTown USA Posts: 754 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	The ISIS stuff is fine for daily, however if you plan to run GS - ISIS etc you should upgrade the rod ends to Aurora ends.... Ch Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk

05-04-2014, 06:55 PM	#5
elpelon Join Date: May 2014 Location: Oklahoma Age: 56 Posts: 11 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I hate to hear that, but I was afraid it was too good to be true (Re Godspeed Parts) It would have solved a lot of problems. I already have a compleat set of Tien inner and outer Tie rods. The plan was to install them yesterday and do a brake job while I had everything apart, but when I got the car up on the stands and the wheels off I discovered the rack boot was all ripped up, The brake pads were the wrong ones, and the sway bar end links were shot also. (Apparently that was making most of the noise I've been hearing) I live in a little hick town, so the local parts store didn't have any of those parts in stock. I have them on order (Moog End-Links). Anyway, since I was under there, I started checking deeper, and found that in addition to the slightly worn ball joints, the tension rod end bushings were tearing in the middle, even though it appears that the prior owner had installed nice adjustable aftermarket units. The car has 128K on the clock. I was hoping to avoid installing/removing bushings by getting a compleat unit with the bushings already installed, as I have very limited facilities to work in. I do have a pretty good set of hand tools and a ball joint separator, and the control arms are in good shape other than the bushings/joints needing replacing. It looks like the best route considering my budget and facilities, is to replace the joints and bushings on my existing parts, even though it will be a lot more work. I saw some youtube vids of people using home-made "redneck" bushing tools, and I think that might be the route to go. None of the auto parts stores in this area carry bushing tool kits. Thanks for the heads up regarding the Godspeed parts. I will post an update as to how things go.

05-06-2014, 08:09 AM	#6
CaliforniaMayhem Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: California Age: 34 Posts: 328 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Good info here. I might just order some Moog ball joints for my s13 now. Sent from my XT907 using Tapatalk

05-06-2014, 06:54 PM	#7
elpelon Join Date: May 2014 Location: Oklahoma Age: 56 Posts: 11 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Saw a tool on Amazon yesterday for doing bushings. It's kinda pricey at $440 USD, but I figure when I'm done with my 240, I can use it on the wife-mobile, my ford sedan, and I believe I will soon be inheriting an 89 GMC short stepside that needs a lot of "Suspension Jesus". It would pay for itself in short order. Supposedly this tool kit removes and installs ALMOST any bushing with good hand tools. Unfortunately I believe it is a bit too small for the rear subframe bushes. but it looks like the ticket for most of the others. http://www.amazon.com/Schley-SCH1110...ng+tool+manual There is a youtube vid of a guy using one. It looks stupid easy.

05-06-2014, 08:34 PM	#8
RalliartRsX Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 4,755 Trader Rating: (32) Feedback Score: 32 reviews	^^ Except, the balljoint is not a bushing, so the tool is not applicable

05-08-2014, 06:42 AM	#11
elpelon Join Date: May 2014 Location: Oklahoma Age: 56 Posts: 11 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Actually, the topic was lower control arms. There is a bushing on one end and a ball joint on the other, so you are both correct. Frankly, I have never done either, so any input is appreciated. Have a funeral out of town this weekend, so it looks like next weekend, or the following before I tackle this, Oklahoma weather permitting.