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bataangpinoy · 04-30-2012, 05:13 PM

Just like how you can get different compounds for Wilwood dynalite calipers(or any Wilwood for that matter), I was wondering if there were any rear pads for an s13/s14 rear caliper with an aggressive initial bite at colder temps?

I dont really mind if my rotors will get tore up, but i'd prefer to run a compound that isn't so abrasive.

The compound I liked best from Wilwood was their Polymatrix B. Please post up if you've got any good recommendations.

codyace · 04-30-2012, 11:14 PM

If you're looking for a street duty pad, I'd suggest a Carbotech Bobcat, or Carbotech AX6 (formally Panther). I run the Bobcat compound on my Maxima (daily driver) and love them...great cold performance, but still work super awesome when hot.

word sux · 05-01-2012, 04:30 AM

project mu d1 spec pads

they are made for what we do

onehundredoctane · 05-01-2012, 06:28 AM

I have Hawk HPS pads front and back on my S14, love em, a lot more stopping power than stock, less fade as whale.

bataangpinoy · 05-01-2012, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by codyace

If you're looking for a street duty pad, I'd suggest a Carbotech Bobcat, or Carbotech AX6 (formally Panther). I run the Bobcat compound on my Maxima (daily driver) and love them...great cold performance, but still work super awesome when hot.

looks interesting; do you have a p/n?

Quote:

Originally Posted by word sux

project mu d1 spec pads
they are made for what we do

andy we've had this discussion before lol i'm not spending 140+- for a pair of rear pads unless i absolutely have to!

Quote:

Originally Posted by onehundredoctane

I have Hawk HPS pads front and back on my S14, love em, a lot more stopping power than stock, less fade as whale.

thats what i have now, i haven't used them yet but i've driven on a hatch that has them and i was not too impressed.

XxIriponzeesxX · 05-01-2012, 10:34 AM

Im actually interested in this thread too. Looking to upgrade my pads without getting into a big brake kit.

onehundredoctane · 05-01-2012, 11:13 AM

Funny. I don't take it easy on my car, I drive pretty aggresivly (imo) and hvae yet to have a problem with them, even on the track, no fade, nothing.

codyace · 05-01-2012, 01:10 PM

Carbotech Brakes
Carbotech Performance Brakes

Again if you're just using it for street, run the Bobcats or the AX6. THe AX6 are an entry level autocross pad that has nice cold bite. I always run Bobcats on my street cars as they rock, and are durable.

Carbotech also makes higher end pads (XP series) that are for track duty...I run XP 14's on the 240 and they work incrediably...but I'll be the first to admit that leaving the driveway in the morning to work is fun sometimes...while they do work better than stock, I'd say they aren't for a daily driven/street car.

Chris28 · 05-01-2012, 02:35 PM

For what it's worth, Hawk HP+ and Project μ have very similar coefficients of friction for cold initial bite. I run HP+ in the rear and Axxis Metallics up front. Granted this is for drift events, if I were running HPDE's I would definitely switch to Carbotech XP12 or XP14 for the fronts.

codyace · 05-01-2012, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris28

For what it's worth, Hawk HP+ and Project μ have very similar coefficients of friction for cold initial bite. I run HP+ in the rear and Axxis Metallics up front. Granted this is for drift events, if I were running HPDE's I would definitely switch to Carbotech XP12 or XP14 for the fronts.

XP12 would be a bit much for most HPDE1 guys, but are manageable for sure. I'd forsee a ton of flat spotted tires

FWIW: I don't buy into the JDM nonsense when it comes to brakes...especialyl the Project Mu nonsense. i'm sure their stuff is goofd and all, but in the grand scheme of things you're paying for the name, and the seafoam green.

fckillerbee · 05-01-2012, 05:39 PM

wait...you guys run fancy pads in the rear. I've always noticed the cheapest autozone pads bite really well cold.

for the fronts though...porterfields. Hawks are shitty IMO.

codyace · 05-01-2012, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

wait...you guys run fancy pads in the rear. I've always noticed the cheapest autozone pads bite really well cold.

for the fronts though...porterfields. Hawks are shitty IMO.

Car to elaborate? Some of the better Hawk Pads are quite decent.

fckillerbee · 05-02-2012, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by codyace

Car to elaborate? Some of the better Hawk Pads are quite decent.

Almost everyone I knew ran hawk pads. I'm not sure who referred me, but I think RoadRace said try the porterfields out, so I went down to porterfield and tried out the rs4s?...i'm not sure the specific model, but it's not the race one, I think it was designed for "occasional" track use and spirited driving.

Told my buddy about how I brake checked myself super fucking hard in traffic one day (about a week after I put them on), and after his hawks were ready for replacement, he went with porterfields.

None of us have ever gone back to Hawks....

I've ran them on a NA base model lancer with about 170hp. Used them on my Subaru WRX at track days. Put them on my s14 (almost everyone that drove the 14 was surprised by the braking)...and I'm sure I'll put them on my 13.

I even had Porterfield make a custom set for my brothers Wrangler (lifted oversize tires...yadda yadda...shit couldn't stop to save it's life)..and lets just say...it's night and day.

They do take a little time to warm up.....like a 5 minute drive in traffic is perfect...once warm....they were awesome. The ABS system in the subaru would go nuts when we were running mountains and doing the occasional track days.

The group of us are some pretty aggressive drivers....i used to fly by evo's and sti' all the time in my lancer. Once I drove a subaru, I couldn't figure out how I was passing these guys...that car drives itself. The braking with ABS was incredible..... but then again, i've never drove above 120mph, and heavy braking wasn't needed all the time as I usually drive twisty stuff more than highspeed accel and decel.

codyace · 05-02-2012, 09:30 PM

I didn't mean to make that seem as a dig against Porterfield, as their stuff is nice...just found it odd to write off Hawk, when some of their track pads do work prety well comparability (again this is at the full on pad level, maybe not so much on street cars).

In regard to custom PF pads, a buddy of mine had them make some pads for his Lightning, they work great haha.

fckillerbee · 05-03-2012, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by codyace

I didn't mean to make that seem as a dig against Porterfield, as their stuff is nice...just found it odd to write off Hawk, when some of their track pads do work prety well comparability (again this is at the full on pad level, maybe not so much on street cars).

In regard to custom PF pads, a buddy of mine had them make some pads for his Lightning, they work great haha.

Oh yeah, I don't use any of their full race stuff. Can't compare. Just the drift setup/ casual track days. More so comparing the typical hawk pads you see at like Sonic Motor, and others like that.

vehicle336 · 05-03-2012, 12:33 PM

The ferodo ds2500's have a pretty good initial bite and solid torque, they'd definitely be worth taking a look at for rear pads. The DS3000's are pretty solid for heavier cars on a full track day, dunno how well they'd be matched up for a rear pad for a 240.

bataangpinoy · 05-03-2012, 07:09 PM

A few of my e30 buddies have had good experience with Porterfields, i cant believe they slipped my mind.

Those ferodo's also seem like a good alternative, i'll def. be looking into them.

bataangpinoy · 05-03-2012, 07:15 PM

Porterfield R4 AP230 Rear Brake Pads 89-1 94 NISSAN 240SX w ABS

taken from FR Sport's page:

"R4 series provides high initial bite for immediate brake response while yielding extremely consistent modulation and predictability. This is great for all road courses, oval track, rally, vintage racing, autocross, club events, and professional driving events"

I think we found a winner! For $90 for a set of rear pads, I'm excited to try em out.
If these bite as nice as i hope they will, paired with rebuilt calipers they should work as well as a hydro.

04-30-2012, 05:13 PM	#1
bataangpinoy Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: caves Age: 28 Posts: 860 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	OEM style pads with aggressive initial bite? Just like how you can get different compounds for Wilwood dynalite calipers(or any Wilwood for that matter), I was wondering if there were any rear pads for an s13/s14 rear caliper with an aggressive initial bite at colder temps? I dont really mind if my rotors will get tore up, but i'd prefer to run a compound that isn't so abrasive. The compound I liked best from Wilwood was their Polymatrix B. Please post up if you've got any good recommendations.

04-30-2012, 11:14 PM	#2
codyace Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poconos, PA Age: 36 Posts: 8,030 Trader Rating: (58) Feedback Score: 58 reviews	If you're looking for a street duty pad, I'd suggest a Carbotech Bobcat, or Carbotech AX6 (formally Panther). I run the Bobcat compound on my Maxima (daily driver) and love them...great cold performance, but still work super awesome when hot. __________________ *Want Air Conditioning in your SR20 Swapped car? Check out www.sr20acbrackets.com for more information! Quest Alternator Conversions for SR20!* Check my Group Buy! Tired of lousy internal gates? Go external wastegate with one of my manifolds, Check out my group buy

05-01-2012, 01:10 PM	#8
codyace Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poconos, PA Age: 36 Posts: 8,030 Trader Rating: (58) Feedback Score: 58 reviews	Carbotech Brakes Carbotech Performance Brakes Again if you're just using it for street, run the Bobcats or the AX6. THe AX6 are an entry level autocross pad that has nice cold bite. I always run Bobcats on my street cars as they rock, and are durable. Carbotech also makes higher end pads (XP series) that are for track duty...I run XP 14's on the 240 and they work incrediably...but I'll be the first to admit that leaving the driveway in the morning to work is fun sometimes...while they do work better than stock, I'd say they aren't for a daily driven/street car. __________________ *Want Air Conditioning in your SR20 Swapped car? Check out www.sr20acbrackets.com for more information! Quest Alternator Conversions for SR20!* Check my Group Buy! Tired of lousy internal gates? Go external wastegate with one of my manifolds, Check out my group buy

05-02-2012, 09:30 PM	#14
codyace Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poconos, PA Age: 36 Posts: 8,030 Trader Rating: (58) Feedback Score: 58 reviews	I didn't mean to make that seem as a dig against Porterfield, as their stuff is nice...just found it odd to write off Hawk, when some of their track pads do work prety well comparability (again this is at the full on pad level, maybe not so much on street cars). In regard to custom PF pads, a buddy of mine had them make some pads for his Lightning, they work great haha. __________________ *Want Air Conditioning in your SR20 Swapped car? Check out www.sr20acbrackets.com for more information! Quest Alternator Conversions for SR20!* Check my Group Buy! Tired of lousy internal gates? Go external wastegate with one of my manifolds, Check out my group buy

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05-01-2012, 04:30 AM	#3
word sux Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: earth Age: 59 Posts: 1,138 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	project mu d1 spec pads they are made for what we do

05-01-2012, 06:28 AM	#4
onehundredoctane Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Greensborough, NC Posts: 2,783 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I have Hawk HPS pads front and back on my S14, love em, a lot more stopping power than stock, less fade as whale.

05-01-2012, 10:34 AM	#6
XxIriponzeesxX Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: philly Age: 32 Posts: 24 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Im actually interested in this thread too. Looking to upgrade my pads without getting into a big brake kit.

05-01-2012, 11:13 AM	#7
onehundredoctane Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Greensborough, NC Posts: 2,783 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Funny. I don't take it easy on my car, I drive pretty aggresivly (imo) and hvae yet to have a problem with them, even on the track, no fade, nothing.

05-01-2012, 02:35 PM	#9
Chris28 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: 757/919 Age: 31 Posts: 196 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	For what it's worth, Hawk HP+ and Project μ have very similar coefficients of friction for cold initial bite. I run HP+ in the rear and Axxis Metallics up front. Granted this is for drift events, if I were running HPDE's I would definitely switch to Carbotech XP12 or XP14 for the fronts.

05-01-2012, 05:39 PM	#11
fckillerbee Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern California Age: 36 Posts: 4,266 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	wait...you guys run fancy pads in the rear. I've always noticed the cheapest autozone pads bite really well cold. for the fronts though...porterfields. Hawks are shitty IMO.

05-03-2012, 12:33 PM	#16
vehicle336 Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Spocompton, WA Posts: 187 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The ferodo ds2500's have a pretty good initial bite and solid torque, they'd definitely be worth taking a look at for rear pads. The DS3000's are pretty solid for heavier cars on a full track day, dunno how well they'd be matched up for a rear pad for a 240.

05-03-2012, 07:09 PM	#17
bataangpinoy Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: caves Age: 28 Posts: 860 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	A few of my e30 buddies have had good experience with Porterfields, i cant believe they slipped my mind. Those ferodo's also seem like a good alternative, i'll def. be looking into them.

05-03-2012, 07:15 PM	#18
bataangpinoy Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: caves Age: 28 Posts: 860 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Porterfield R4 AP230 Rear Brake Pads 89-1 94 NISSAN 240SX w ABS taken from FR Sport's page: "R4 series provides high initial bite for immediate brake response while yielding extremely consistent modulation and predictability. This is great for all road courses, oval track, rally, vintage racing, autocross, club events, and professional driving events" I think we found a winner! For $90 for a set of rear pads, I'm excited to try em out. If these bite as nice as i hope they will, paired with rebuilt calipers they should work as well as a hydro.