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07-20-2018, 08:37 PM | #1 |
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S14 DIY OEM Keyless Entry
First; note that this article will be a work-in-progress.
I have just started on this procedure and I will be updating this top post with additional information as it comes. Second, a warning: this will be a lot of reading. [INTRODUCTION] Recently I have been trying to bring most of the OEM features that was missing (or optional) back to my S14, which is a 1996 SE. Not really original to my car; but within the last few years I added/wired up the JDM digital climate control (I'm just missing the in-cabin sensor to use the auto function.) so I also decided on doing the keyless entry next. And plus, we only have a few articles on here with people asking how to do this, but no final results. [PICTURES] I will be describing both the non-keyless entry and keyless entry units. First up is pictures. Pictures will be hosted on my imgur, if they are missing or not working then feel free to PM me, or if you have a better permanent location they can be stored. (Keyless entry unit is on the left, non-keyless is on the right) (it's hard to see the pins in the picture, but looking at the unit; top/left is pin #24 (B/P), top/right is pin #11 (G), bottom left is pin #10 [B].) Non-Keyless entry unit circuit board: Keyless entry unit circuit board: PARTS
[WIRING] I'm not sure how the different S14 years vary (according to the FSM, only the SE models was suppose to have keyless entry.) but my '96 SE has a few things, but missing the rest. I have the third rear window antenna, but I don't see the wiring going anywhere (I will be taking apart the interior panel to see what's going on.) I also have the trunk latch wiring for the security system. Also I have pin #11 which is used for the ignition power for the security system exists on the harness connector. * The FSM's smart entrance control unit wiring is spread out everywhere all the way from interior lighting, exterior lighting to power doors and etc. While the "Multi-Remote Control System" just shows what is needed for the keyless function. If you have the non-keyless entry unit, you are missing the following pins/wires: Pin #: [Wire Color] Description
So it's not a big list at all, but if your going to do the security system as well it might be a bit of a pain. For reference, here are the security system part pinouts:
In order to wire up the keyless entry, this is what will have to happen:
As a few notes;
This is all for now, I've yet to do the wiring and to check for any existing (not connected) wires. I will update with pictures on each step when I do them. If anyone wants to add on anything or ask anything, then feel free to mention or ask. I'll answer to the best of my knowledge, and make the needed changes. After this is done, I will try to clean it up and make it into a PDF. Last edited by firejackal; 07-21-2018 at 12:01 PM.. |
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07-22-2018, 08:08 PM | #3 |
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Thanks. I have a few more that I need to write up.
I've got a few updates today to change in the main post.
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08-16-2018, 05:48 PM | #4 |
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I'm back again, still working on this project on my spare time.
So some things I've done:
First, the connector terminals. From researching there is one other connector on our dash harness that uses the same two types of terminals. F3. This connector is on the passenger side kick panel behind the ECU. Fortunately, Wiring Specialties sells this connector and it's terminals. Unfortunately they don't sell the terminals separate. When I ordered the part it was $55. So that was a hefty price. The connector itself is bigger then the M20 connector. So it will include plenty enough terminals in case of mistakes. Room Lamp Output There is a four-pin harness connector under the dash directly south of the passenger tweeter/A-Pillar, this includes the wire going to the top interior lamp. I'm sure it meets somewhere next to the fusebox. But I'm not sure where. so this connector was the easiest solution for me to splice into. Relays From the factory the keyless entry system uses two relays, one is a two-relays-in-one, the other is a "normally closed" relay. The wiring diagram shows the first relay is used to apply voltage to the turn signals. This can spliced anywhere in the turn signal wiring, the front turn signals, the rear turn signals, and the hazard switch. The second relay breaks the circuit for the turn signal stalk, I'm not sure why. Maybe for the voltage don't go back up the system. For now I decided to install the turn signal relay part in the trunk on the driver-side. I used two relays for this, ran one wire to the back from the keyless entry module "flasher output" (this is the coil ground), the (coil power) to my battery for power with a fuse. The other two wires to LH, and RH turn signal wires. Antenna I bought a radio antenna splicer adapter for I could isolate the second antenna path. I also verified my rear window circuit wasn't broken by redoing parts of it. I ran this wire to the antenna. Unfortunately I can't seem to get this to work and I don't know how to test it. According to the Japanese FSM, the keyless antenna is at the bottom of the rear windshield. So you would have 3 different terminals on the rear windshield. Top (1) is for the factory radio (don't know why it needs two radio antennas), (2) is the defroster, and (3) is for keyless. Other notes
The remote I bought was the KOBUTA3T which said it was for the Nissan 95-98 200SX 240SX, and 97-99 Altima. So my current plans is this now:
Once I get more going on this project, I'll upload the pictures I took of today's update. |
08-19-2018, 07:13 PM | #5 |
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Well I think I have a rough setup for the locked/unlocked sensor. Used an endstop switch from when I built my 3D printers. Luckily the switch (which was bought on Amazon) has a circuit for opened. Now I need a way to test it with the keyless system.
I made a bracket out of sheet metal. If it works (and clears the door card) then I'll try to design up a cad file to have it publicaly available. Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk
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08-25-2018, 05:41 PM | #6 |
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Update: Finally got the keyless function to work.
How: I had to buy a remote from Nissan. The ones sold on ebay/amazon was the incorrect fcc number. Found this out by looking at some other thread posts. I was a little afraid using the radio antenna part on the rear windshield wouldn't work. Because of that I bought a newer nissan (renault) antenna, that I might still see if I can get it to work. Only issue with that newer antenna is it's two wire, and I'm unsure if it needs a booster. But from what I can tell both pins are connected together inside the unit with hardly any resistance, so maybe from one side of the antenna to the other side. And it's meant to have several of them spread out through the car (three.) Other part I need to work on is my relays (I still need to add that third relay for the turn signal cut off) I need to look into using solid state relays. Because when I lock/unlock the car using the remote you can audibly hear the loud relays outside the car. |
09-04-2018, 09:28 PM | #7 |
I love what you’re doing and detailing here.
How far are you from being complete? I have an S14 base and would love to have factory keyless. I know an aftermarket setup could be had for potentially a lot less time, effort, and likely money too, but there’s something about factory stuff. |
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09-06-2018, 10:29 AM | #8 | |
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It's pretty much down except for a few minor issues. I've been using it about every day. The base doesn't have the sunroof right? I'm unsure what's different with your base compared to my SE. I thought it was the wheel pattern and sunroof. I'd like to have a non sunroof model. A few issues I have with the system right now. * Distance: distance to use the unlock/lock feature varies with me using the radio section of the rear window as the antenna. Sometimes I can be 10 feet from the car, other times 5 feet. * Interior lamp doesn't seem to fuction correctly. It will flicker twice when unlocked. I assume the interior lights is suppose to stay on for a fixed amount of time. I'll have to calculate costs. But the amount of work between the OEM system and an aftermarket system is probably going to the same. I haven't touched the alarm section yet, but I'd like to get an alarm speaker to chirp with locking. I've been really busy with work I haven't had time to update my first post. Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk
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09-12-2018, 02:46 PM | #10 | |
No worries at all. I do not have a sunroof, and my car is not an SE. I have a 1995 OBD1 car, not sure what the overall differences are either.
Once I get the car running, the OEM keyless is something I definitely want to get setup. Quote:
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It’s great to see people still doing new things with these cars.
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09-26-2018, 12:19 PM | #13 |
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This is pretty awesome. Following for a completed write up to retrofit. I guess as you're going through this, there was no "pre-wiring" to be found for the relays? I just remember a while back when adding heated mirrors to my G20, there was a connector for the relay taped up under the dash.
The only gee-whiz info I can add is related to the antenna wires in the rear window: the window wire is for AM, the quarter-panel antenna is for FM, and I think they got rid of it in 97 (mine doesn't have the radio wire). |
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Sorry for bringing this back up, I?m finally able to work on car and it?s been a while. Assuming my 97 LE already has the keyless entry Units under the dash and all connected, is there something under the hood as well?
If yes then I know that?s what I?m missing in order to get it back to function. Ps. I never had a key fob. |
05-20-2020, 11:01 AM | #16 | |
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Can't assume your car came with keyless. Features seem to be hit and miss with the SE and LE models. Under the hood is only the sensor to check if the hood is opened for the optional security system. I got to do some checking on my end anyways. My remote stopped working. I'm guessing something to do with the antenna cause at first it was very weak (New battery.) I'm still looking at upgrading to an amplified antenna. |
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05-22-2020, 05:17 PM | #17 | |
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Keyless entry
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So if I have the correct unit (A in your picture) will it function without the hood sensor? |
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05-22-2020, 06:24 PM | #18 | |
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Back to square one now I guess, I?m trying to figure out what my easiest Route to keyless entry will be. |
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