Question for owners of welded diff - Page 3 - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

chlatboy · 08-30-2005, 02:25 AM

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i8yourfwd · 08-30-2005, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dct223

u can grip with a welded, or 2way...

just went on a 60 mile touge run on highway 1 and went on mt tam and i had no problems keeping up with the group. my car wasnt "unpredictable" nor did i understeer every corner/hair pin...

people need to stop assuming 2way and welded is for drift only because they read it on zilvia...

"zomg welded sucks for daily, i read a thread that you will oversteer and crash, and its only for people who drift everyday"
"omg!! did u read on zlvia?? it says you gotta get a 1.5 way if u just grip on touge runs"
"[email protected]#@! hlsd is the best for touge cus i read it on zilvia"

stop talking outta your asses, say something if u ACTUALLY had experience with it...

my experience... VLSD is good, but u grow tired of it and want something that is more predictable ie.. clutch type LSD... unless u do a lot of auto x.. and if u have a SR or high HP car.. dont even think about vlsd.. the lsd will be shot in no time, and it will be like peg legging all over again

welded, great for drift, u can grip with it, proll cant go as balls out as u can with a vlsd depending on conditions... not for a person that wants to auto x all the time.. u make a lot of cool noise around turns and people are like WTF is wrong with your car so if that annoys you dont get a clutch type lsd.. also u need to give it more gas parking cus the rear is always locked.

2way is freaking awesome for drift, and grip. Driving my friends car with a 2way made me want to ditch my VLSD and get a welded (i am too poor). 2way still feels a little better to me, there is a little more slip so it seems a little more responsive on corners.

No understeer at entry with welded? Was it uphill or downhill?

Var · 08-31-2005, 12:46 AM

I find that my 2way and the welded diffs i owned both had corner entry understeer. If you dont notice it then you arent going fast enough, or you just dont know what's going on while you're driving.

240sx driveline parts are fairly durable, and easy to source. Just keep an extra pair around, although quite a few of the shockdrifting crew runs welded(including me before i sold my s13) through daily driving and many may clutch kicks at the track. Only guy that's broken an axle was Faruk, and that was with a 2way. I think Faruk can break anything.

mooboy · 08-31-2005, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varmint

I find that my 2way and the welded diffs i owned both had corner entry understeer. If you dont notice it then you arent going fast enough, or you just dont know what's going on while you're driving.

240sx driveline parts are fairly durable, and easy to source. Just keep an extra pair around, although quite a few of the shockdrifting crew runs welded(including me before i sold my s13) through daily driving and many may clutch kicks at the track. Only guy that's broken an axle was Faruk, and that was with a 2way. I think Faruk can break anything.

haha hes AMAZING

ghostuss · 08-31-2005, 02:18 AM

yep i 2nd that... haven't seen him a long time thou.

TheSquidd · 08-31-2005, 10:01 AM

Welded mine last week, other than the fact that I'm nervously sweating like crazy in the hopes it wont shatter on the freeway and kill me, it's very nice. If you're not completely hauling ass into the corner, it won't understeer, I haven't had it in the rain yet so I can't tell you how bad that is.

It drifts smoooth, very predictable.

PROS:
-Streetable
-Cheap
-Replaceable, about a 30 minute install
-Cheap
-Really, it's cheap!
-Excellent drifts
-The looks on people's faces when you drive around a parking lot

CONS:
- If it breaks, hope you're going slow and not on the freeway
- Axles get some major stress
- Supposedly sucks balls in the rain
- The looks on cops faces when you drive around a parking lot

- Slight slight understeer (unless you're really attacking the corner)

sr240mike · 08-31-2005, 10:56 AM

If it breaks then it wasnt welded by Luke. That is all. Oh it is AWESOME in the rain. I rarely take a turn without sliding in the rain. Stupid, yes, but it's not my fault. Stop light turns green, 1st gear to 3k, turn left, hit 2nd, swwoooooosssh.

marshun · 09-01-2005, 03:00 AM

i've had my welded for about a year on my current car. i had welded on my previous car too (hachi)

you can practically eliminate the understeer with a little toe out in the front. (makes for a quicker turn in). it'll still be there (just like with a 2way) but will be much less noticable.

i always see these threads about how a welded is crap in the rain and blah blah blah. if youre driving like a normal person then you dont see all kinds of craziness when turning. i cant say the same for snow though since i live in hawaii and we dont get any.

i8yourfwd · 09-01-2005, 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sr240mike

If it breaks then it wasnt welded by Luke. That is all. Oh it is AWESOME in the rain. I rarely take a turn without sliding in the rain. Stupid, yes, but it's not my fault. Stop light turns green, 1st gear to 3k, turn left, hit 2nd, swwoooooosssh.

None of luke's have come apart yet correct?

Wow, that might be a lil dangerous in the rain :|

Jcb890 · 09-01-2005, 04:54 AM

a 1.5 will outhandle a 2-way or a welded diff in the twisties any day of the week. if you think otherwise you're simply retarded and dont understand the way turning works.

for a drag/drift car, welded or a 2-way would be great
for a car you'd like to actually turn, a 1.5-way would be much better

TheSquidd · 09-01-2005, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jcb890

a 1.5 will outhandle a 2-way or a welded diff in the twisties any day of the week. if you think otherwise you're simply retarded and dont understand the way turning works.

for a drag/drift car, welded or a 2-way would be great
for a car you'd like to actually turn, a 1.5-way would be much better

I turn my car all day...

Just not very hard!

theicecreamdan · 09-01-2005, 11:03 AM

A friend of mine has been running a diff welded for a few months now, nothing has broken, and he runs wide grippy rear tires, car still works great for non-drift use. Much better than open diff.

Jcb890 · 09-01-2005, 12:57 PM

there's no way in hell a welded diff. is anywhere near as good as a good LSD on an auto-x course or on a road course. end of story.

i8yourfwd · 09-01-2005, 01:06 PM

duh... i don't think anyone has said that a welded is better than a 1.5 for autox.

anywhoo, what would be better for grip driving? vlsd or welded?

OptionZero · 09-01-2005, 01:23 PM

neither. save up and get an HLSD or 1.5 way.

Var · 09-01-2005, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by i8yourfwd

duh... i don't think anyone has said that a welded is better than a 1.5 for autox.

anywhoo, what would be better for grip driving? vlsd or welded?

I personally like the vlsd better in the mountains for grip. On the track, i think if you had really wide tires and super stiff suspension, you could do the welded diff . It would feel like a lemans car. Slow in fast out. Always accelerating through the corners to rotate.

TheSquidd · 09-01-2005, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jcb890

there's no way in hell a welded diff. is anywhere near as good as a good LSD on an auto-x course or on a road course. end of story.

Please, tell me where anyone has said a welded diff is better than a 1.5 or LSD?????? The only reason it is better is because it's cheap.

Jcb890 · 09-01-2005, 04:04 PM

ok, just making sure nobody thinks that.

if you need something right now vlsd will obviously handle better, but HLSD or 1.5-way would be the best thing to do.

i8yourfwd · 09-02-2005, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OptionZero

neither. save up and get an HLSD or 1.5 way.

I already have welded. I was just curious.

08-30-2005, 02:25 AM	#61
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08-31-2005, 12:46 AM	#63
Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 39 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I find that my 2way and the welded diffs i owned both had corner entry understeer. If you dont notice it then you arent going fast enough, or you just dont know what's going on while you're driving. 240sx driveline parts are fairly durable, and easy to source. Just keep an extra pair around, although quite a few of the shockdrifting crew runs welded(including me before i sold my s13) through daily driving and many may clutch kicks at the track. Only guy that's broken an axle was Faruk, and that was with a 2way. I think Faruk can break anything. __________________ Hi

08-31-2005, 02:18 AM	#65
ghostuss Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Diego/San Francisco Age: 35 Posts: 1,337 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yep i 2nd that... haven't seen him a long time thou. __________________ 96 all suspension s14 SOLD 90 s13 coupe - SOLD Currently rocking 2002 BMW M3 w/ custom suspension. ButtonWillow, CA entire circuit drift/grip event by shock drifting spot for sale. Take over my spot for $150 only.

08-31-2005, 10:01 AM	#66
TheSquidd Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Where dirt goes to die. Posts: 3,165 Trader Rating: (7) Rides Gallery: TheSquidd Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Welded mine last week, other than the fact that I'm nervously sweating like crazy in the hopes it wont shatter on the freeway and kill me, it's very nice. If you're not completely hauling ass into the corner, it won't understeer, I haven't had it in the rain yet so I can't tell you how bad that is. It drifts smoooth, very predictable. PROS: -Streetable -Cheap -Replaceable, about a 30 minute install -Cheap -Really, it's cheap! -Excellent drifts -The looks on people's faces when you drive around a parking lot CONS: - If it breaks, hope you're going slow and not on the freeway - Axles get some major stress - Supposedly sucks balls in the rain - The looks on cops faces when you drive around a parking lot - Slight slight understeer (unless you're really attacking the corner) __________________ www.squidd.org www.violent-running.org

08-31-2005, 10:56 AM	#67
sr240mike Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: California, Norcal biiaatch Posts: 1,185 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	If it breaks then it wasnt welded by Luke. That is all. Oh it is AWESOME in the rain. I rarely take a turn without sliding in the rain. Stupid, yes, but it's not my fault. Stop light turns green, 1st gear to 3k, turn left, hit 2nd, swwoooooosssh. __________________ TWO IN THE COOT, ONE IN THE POOT

09-01-2005, 03:00 AM	#68
marshun Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: hawaii Posts: 84 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i've had my welded for about a year on my current car. i had welded on my previous car too (hachi) you can practically eliminate the understeer with a little toe out in the front. (makes for a quicker turn in). it'll still be there (just like with a 2way) but will be much less noticable. i always see these threads about how a welded is crap in the rain and blah blah blah. if youre driving like a normal person then you dont see all kinds of craziness when turning. i cant say the same for snow though since i live in hawaii and we dont get any.

09-01-2005, 04:54 AM	#70
Jcb890 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Massachusetts Age: 36 Posts: 852 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	a 1.5 will outhandle a 2-way or a welded diff in the twisties any day of the week. if you think otherwise you're simply retarded and dont understand the way turning works. for a drag/drift car, welded or a 2-way would be great for a car you'd like to actually turn, a 1.5-way would be much better

09-01-2005, 12:57 PM	#73
Jcb890 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Massachusetts Age: 36 Posts: 852 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	there's no way in hell a welded diff. is anywhere near as good as a good LSD on an auto-x course or on a road course. end of story.

09-01-2005, 01:23 PM	#75
OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 37 Posts: 6,262 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	neither. save up and get an HLSD or 1.5 way.

09-01-2005, 04:04 PM	#78
Jcb890 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Massachusetts Age: 36 Posts: 852 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ok, just making sure nobody thinks that. if you need something right now vlsd will obviously handle better, but HLSD or 1.5-way would be the best thing to do.

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