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Driftingcorners · 08-19-2011, 07:08 PM

Ok to clear my new R33 GTR rims, 5mm spacers are not going to do the job.

Heres my question:

If I run a 10mm spacer all around, will this have any adverse affects on performance. What if I just run it on the front? I plan on getting the ichiba or project kics one with the studs already in it. Please don't just say you won't notice it....give me some advice please haha.

EsChassisLove · 08-19-2011, 07:15 PM

No. No effect at all.

Driftingcorners · 08-19-2011, 07:24 PM

What aobut just the fronts? It'll save me 150$ haha.

EsChassisLove · 08-19-2011, 07:30 PM

10mm is like 5hp. Your not going to notice a difference in performance at all.

delado · 08-19-2011, 07:44 PM

how exactly do you loose hp from running a spacer?

EsChassisLove · 08-19-2011, 07:47 PM

What? You missed the point.

Adding a 10mm spacer is like adding 5hp. You won't notice.

Swifty · 08-19-2011, 07:52 PM

He was putting it as an example....

EndLeSS8 · 08-19-2011, 10:08 PM

Get hubcentric spacers

I was running a combination of 5mm and/or 8mm spacers, and there was steering wheel vibration above 68mph

anton1o · 08-20-2011, 06:18 AM

No problems at all.

Ive never owned Hubcentric spacers and ive never noticed steering wobble either.. I guess i may just be lucky.

codyace · 08-20-2011, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anton1o

No problems at all.

Ive never owned Hubcentric spacers and ive never noticed steering wobble either.. I guess i may just be lucky.

I've never noticed it on mine either FWIW

I run 10mm front to clear coilovers, and none in the back on my Z33 Track wheels. Never have had an issue.

PS: Get OEM hubs, stay away from Icheapba

240sR4drifting · 08-20-2011, 07:17 AM

Just nevermind...

fckillerbee · 08-20-2011, 10:04 AM

ichiba ones are hub centric. Had 25mm on my s14 for over a year and drifted it. NO problems at all.

You would notice it while drifting maybe....and just maybe. Other than that, its a few more ounces, and gives you a hair of a wider track.

shinobis13hb · 08-20-2011, 11:38 AM

only difference you should notice is you'll be herrafruush

lflkajfj12123 · 08-20-2011, 11:48 AM

don't notice much

increase in unsprung weight but whatever

sr20sean · 08-28-2011, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 240sR4drifting

Well No performance would change but their is a high risk of breaking a stud on your disk especially if its lowered. The reason is your now going through a second set of studs and there can be some flex on the spacer/adapter and if it bend or flexes when you hit a bump you could break 1 or more stud on your brake disc.... What you can to to help prevent this(not a guarantee) is to replace the studs on your brake disc ahead of time with reinforced studs, which you can get at most hardware store, machine shops, or ebay.

since when do brake discs have studs?

spacers are fine, get hubcentric, dont over torque them, dont use an impact gun to put them on, etc. you will be fine if you listen to those few things

EDacIouSX · 08-28-2011, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0apgun

don't notice much

increase in unsprung weight but whatever

wait wouldn't that be an increase in Sprung weight?

nm, its rotational unsprung.

Croustibat · 08-29-2011, 07:14 AM

using spacers have some effects, you might feel them or not, depending on how you drive.

Increasing front track width gives understeer. Increasing rear track width gives oversteer. A 5mm difference is really noticeable on a gokart, i dont think it makes such a difference on a big car. And yes, you want understeer (at the exit of corners at least) so dont just bolt 25mm on the rear.

lowering the offset of a wheel (or using spacer ) will also change the scrub radius, which you might not like (the car will "turn" less) and will also give a longer arm to compress springs. It means the larger the spacers, the stiffer the springs need to be to achieve the same effort.

again, 5 to 10mm might not change a lot. 25mm makes a noticeable difference though.

You might have problem fitting 10mm bolt on spacers though. Check you have enough clearance on the wheels to let the oem studs go. It needs to be hollow between the mounting holes (i dont know how to describe it, sorry) . Wheels with 10 holes wont fit a bolt on spacer less than 25mm for example. You could however just cut the studs.

*ManoNegra* · 08-29-2011, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Driftingcorners

Ok to clear my new R33 GTR rims, 5mm spacers are not going to do the job.

Heres my question:

If I run a 10mm spacer all around, will this have any adverse affects on performance. What if I just run it on the front? I plan on getting the ichiba or project kics one with the studs already in it. Please don't just say you won't notice it....give me some advice please haha.

you didn't believe me when I answered your question a few weeks back?
how's the Prius btw?

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0apgun

don't notice much

increase in unsprung weight but whatever

You need German magnesium alloy ones, they negate gravity.

Brian · 08-30-2011, 10:05 AM

I noticed my wheels were closer to the fenders.

curbhuggerrps13 · 08-30-2011, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian

I noticed my wheels were closer to the fenders.

or your fenders started shrinking

younghatchowner · 08-31-2011, 06:06 AM

lol this guy^^

MrMigs · 08-31-2011, 10:50 AM

No adverse effects.
Just make sure you have a decent amount of rotations on your lug nuts for safety.

Zenki_516 · 09-08-2011, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian

I noticed my wheels were closer to the fenders.

Thats wierd, can you explain?

EsChassisLove · 09-21-2011, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian

I noticed my wheels were closer to the fenders.

You must of had your axles lengthened.

misterbrownpants · 09-22-2011, 09:50 AM

Maybe he pushed his fenders or installed a narrow body kit...

What happened to this thread? It makes me shit my pants now

dsastr_clan · 09-22-2011, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by misterbrownpants

Maybe he pushed his fenders or installed a narrow body kit...

What happened to this thread? It makes me shit my pants now

there wont be adverse effects, ^^what happened to your poopie thread? i learned a lot of different things that i didnt know they were ever possible in there

misterbrownpants · 09-22-2011, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsastr_clan

there wont be adverse effects, ^^what happened to your poopie thread? i learned a lot of different things that i didnt know they were ever possible in there

It got deleted, my friend! Too strong information for the mods, I think they want a monopoly on the poo poo techniques man. But you know me, I give it for free because my heart is kind like a baby seal, and I hope we are all like brohams, but you know nothing like gay commune, just good friends. I don't want any dirty balloons, just brown pants!

KA24DESOneThree · 09-22-2011, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Croustibat

Increasing front track width gives understeer.

Incorrect, increasing front track width decreases understeer.

jiggysnitz · 09-23-2011, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Incorrect, increasing front track width decreases understeer.

this.

Having a wider front track makes my car easier/more predictable to drift also.

08-19-2011, 07:08 PM	#1
Driftingcorners Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: San jose, CA Posts: 440 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Spacers + Handling? S14. Ok to clear my new R33 GTR rims, 5mm spacers are not going to do the job. Heres my question: If I run a 10mm spacer all around, will this have any adverse affects on performance. What if I just run it on the front? I plan on getting the ichiba or project kics one with the studs already in it. Please don't just say you won't notice it....give me some advice please haha.

08-19-2011, 07:15 PM	#2
EsChassisLove Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Diego Age: 32 Posts: 2,090 Trader Rating: (26) Feedback Score: 26 reviews	No. No effect at all. __________________ IG/TikTok-ThatS14_Z06guy

08-19-2011, 07:30 PM	#4
EsChassisLove Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Diego Age: 32 Posts: 2,090 Trader Rating: (26) Feedback Score: 26 reviews	10mm is like 5hp. Your not going to notice a difference in performance at all. __________________ IG/TikTok-ThatS14_Z06guy

08-19-2011, 07:47 PM	#6
EsChassisLove Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Diego Age: 32 Posts: 2,090 Trader Rating: (26) Feedback Score: 26 reviews	What? You missed the point. Adding a 10mm spacer is like adding 5hp. You won't notice. __________________ IG/TikTok-ThatS14_Z06guy

08-19-2011, 10:08 PM	#8
EndLeSS8 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Burnaby, Canada Posts: 595 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Get hubcentric spacers I was running a combination of 5mm and/or 8mm spacers, and there was steering wheel vibration above 68mph __________________ 268generation.com -United for His Renown-

08-19-2011, 07:24 PM	#3
Driftingcorners Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: San jose, CA Posts: 440 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	What aobut just the fronts? It'll save me 150$ haha.

08-19-2011, 07:44 PM	#5
delado Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Gunshine State Age: 30 Posts: 1,194 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	how exactly do you loose hp from running a spacer?

08-19-2011, 07:52 PM	#7
Swifty Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 422 Trader Rating: (29) Feedback Score: 29 reviews	He was putting it as an example....

08-20-2011, 06:18 AM	#9
anton1o Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 35 Posts: 333 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	No problems at all. Ive never owned Hubcentric spacers and ive never noticed steering wobble either.. I guess i may just be lucky. __________________

08-20-2011, 07:17 AM	#11
240sR4drifting Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Dayton Posts: 105 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Just nevermind... Last edited by 240sR4drifting; 08-28-2011 at 06:08 PM..

08-20-2011, 10:04 AM	#12
fckillerbee Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern California Age: 36 Posts: 4,266 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	ichiba ones are hub centric. Had 25mm on my s14 for over a year and drifted it. NO problems at all. You would notice it while drifting maybe....and just maybe. Other than that, its a few more ounces, and gives you a hair of a wider track.

08-20-2011, 11:38 AM	#13
shinobis13hb Zilvia Addict Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: la crescenta Age: 31 Posts: 982 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	only difference you should notice is you'll be herrafruush

08-20-2011, 11:48 AM	#14
lflkajfj12123 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: 　　　　　　　　 Posts: 8,480 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	don't notice much increase in unsprung weight but whatever

08-29-2011, 07:14 AM	#17
Croustibat Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: France - Toulouse Age: 41 Posts: 1,851 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	using spacers have some effects, you might feel them or not, depending on how you drive. Increasing front track width gives understeer. Increasing rear track width gives oversteer. A 5mm difference is really noticeable on a gokart, i dont think it makes such a difference on a big car. And yes, you want understeer (at the exit of corners at least) so dont just bolt 25mm on the rear. lowering the offset of a wheel (or using spacer ) will also change the scrub radius, which you might not like (the car will "turn" less) and will also give a longer arm to compress springs. It means the larger the spacers, the stiffer the springs need to be to achieve the same effort. again, 5 to 10mm might not change a lot. 25mm makes a noticeable difference though. You might have problem fitting 10mm bolt on spacers though. Check you have enough clearance on the wheels to let the oem studs go. It needs to be hollow between the mounting holes (i dont know how to describe it, sorry) . Wheels with 10 holes wont fit a bolt on spacer less than 25mm for example. You could however just cut the studs.

08-30-2011, 10:05 AM	#19
Brian Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: usa Posts: 12,840 Trader Rating: (54) Rides Gallery: Brian Feedback Score: 54 reviews	I noticed my wheels were closer to the fenders. __________________ http://bhworld.wordpress.com/

08-31-2011, 06:06 AM	#21
younghatchowner Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Central Florida Age: 31 Posts: 448 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	lol this guy^^

08-31-2011, 10:50 AM	#22
MrMigs Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: San Gabriel, CA Age: 37 Posts: 1,654 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	No adverse effects. Just make sure you have a decent amount of rotations on your lug nuts for safety. __________________ Cheap parts for sale: http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=534430

09-22-2011, 09:50 AM	#25
misterbrownpants BANNED Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Socal Age: 37 Posts: 48 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Maybe he pushed his fenders or installed a narrow body kit... What happened to this thread? It makes me shit my pants now

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