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240booster · 12-11-2001, 07:28 PM

Hey guys i just got through installing my CAE today and it says on the instructions that the CAE should be removed during wet or rainy conditions or serious engine damage may occur ... WTF!!!!!<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?? #### i can't get out there and take that thing off everytime it starts to rain!!! is it really goin to matter if it stays on?? should i get one of those heat sheilds to protect it, I don't really like those sheilds though. They look like they would restrict air flow?? And also one more question, Did nebody have ne problems with the CAE pipe fitting through the whole?? i had to cut a little piece of metal off of mine so that the pipe would fit and not rub?? THANKS IN ADVANCE.

kustom · 12-11-2001, 07:33 PM

i think they're covering their asses....
you're only in trouble if you CAI sucks up a fair amount of water, moisture won't do it.
BUT: If your filter is low enough it could concievably get soaked and suck up  enough water to blow your engine...
I've never met anyone who removes their CAI....EVER.

S13 Passion · 12-11-2001, 07:45 PM

i had a chat with some guy on this msg board while ago... i forgot who it was but i asked him the same thing when he got the CAE, and he said it doesnt affect it.  but of course, we shouldnt take his word for it 100% because this is a serious issue here.

mistert · 12-11-2001, 07:45 PM

AEM makes their little bypass valve, i dont thinkt hat you'd ever need it unles syou were trying to drive in a flood (in which case you'd likely be just as screwed anwyays), but i guess its worth the extra insurance

MattS14 · 12-11-2001, 08:02 PM

id any one see the test of the AEM filter Bypass valve in turbo magazie? The mad a custom intake pipe for and NSX so it would go out side the car and the filter would be submerged in a fish tank filled with water. They installed the bypass valve on the intake and fired it up. the engine still ran fine and no water got into the engine. And after the took the filter out of the water it still sucked air in through the bypass valve cause the filter was wet. The only downfall i see of using that bypass valve is that the filter on it it just a cheap piece of foam like what comes on headphones for you cd player.

mistert · 12-11-2001, 08:13 PM

yes it wouldnt be that hard for them to sell a kit with a real filter off of something like a motorcycle carb, but if i ever to install a product with the option of a water bypass filter, i will do so

S13 Passion · 12-11-2001, 08:59 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from MattS14 on 8<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>2 pm on Dec. 11, 2001
id any one see the test of the AEM filter Bypass valve in turbo magazie? The mad a custom intake pipe for and NSX so it would go out side the car and the filter would be submerged in a fish tank filled with water. They installed the bypass valve on the intake and fired it up. the engine still ran fine and no water got into the engine. And after the took the filter out of the water it still sucked air in through the bypass valve cause the filter was wet. The only downfall i see of using that bypass valve is that the filter on it it just a cheap piece of foam like what comes on headphones for you cd player.
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what month of Turbo magazine is that in?

yenpit · 12-12-2001, 09:18 AM

hydro-locking an engine is real! we've had 3-4 cars around here this summer hydro-lock cuz of cold-air intakes. BUT we get rain storms that create BIG DEEP pools of water on the road (bad drainage system!). rain does not affect it. heavy downpours can! the filter has to be completely submerged in water (but it only takes a second to do!!) like matts14 mentioned, to create the suction. the bypass valve "breaks" the suction. its like suckin pop (soda for you east coasters) up a straw and cutting the straw with a blade.....if theres a hole in the straw u cant suck up the drink! if you get BAD rain storms in Alabama be careful. if it just rains....dont worry bout it.

vancouvers14 · 12-12-2001, 11:14 AM

from my 200 days of rain and snow, its not necessary to ever remove it.  just make sure youre careful when you wash your car, and make sure the plastic fender cover is on.

you don't need the shield or anything else.

Zenki Two40 · 12-12-2001, 04:23 PM

make sure u have a rain resistant filter on there. don't know if this would help, but have u ever seen that dura lube infomercial where they spray water all over the whole engine n nothing happens?

ZeroGS14 · 12-12-2001, 04:37 PM

just dont go driving through deep puddles where the filter can suck up a lot of water

xNotoriousGQx · 12-12-2001, 04:48 PM

I had my Injen CAE since the first day it came out...about 2 years.  I been through a blizzard, all kinds of snowstorm and thunderstorm without taking off the extension.  Nothing ever happens!  I think it willl a take Tsunami to get water inside your engine.

Zenki Two40 · 12-12-2001, 04:58 PM

only thing that worries me is i got a 2" drop for the front of my car n i know there can be some decent sized puddles when it rains that i might not be able to avoid due to traffic. #### it, now i'm back to deciding on not getting a CAE.

240sxtreme · 12-12-2001, 05:05 PM

You really don't have to worry about driving in the rain with it on....just actually submerging it, or driving right behind someone, and the water coming off their wheel is going right into the filter.

I live in Portland, OR....and I took mine off around september/october.  I don't think there's that much standing water...although I have seen a couple of places, so I'm not really worried about puddles...But I can tell you that driving behind someone on the highway, in a heavy rain, could definately have the potential for damage.  I mean if you watch how much water is going directly onto the lower end of your front fender...where the filter is, it might scare you.  one time, I swear it was like a steady stream of water for about 20-25 minutes.....I kept thinking, I wonder what would have happened it I hadn't taken it off...would the water have gotten in?  Are you really going to care about 3-5 hp during the wet/snow seasons?  to me, it's not worth it...

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12-11-2001, 07:28 PM	#1
240booster Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 245 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hey guys i just got through installing my CAE today and it says on the instructions that the CAE should be removed during wet or rainy conditions or serious engine damage may occur ... WTF!!!!!<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?? #### i can't get out there and take that thing off everytime it starts to rain!!! is it really goin to matter if it stays on?? should i get one of those heat sheilds to protect it, I don't really like those sheilds though. They look like they would restrict air flow?? And also one more question, Did nebody have ne problems with the CAE pipe fitting through the whole?? i had to cut a little piece of metal off of mine so that the pipe would fit and not rub?? THANKS IN ADVANCE.

12-11-2001, 07:33 PM	#2
kustom Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 22 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i think they're covering their asses.... you're only in trouble if you CAI sucks up a fair amount of water, moisture won't do it. BUT: If your filter is low enough it could concievably get soaked and suck up  enough water to blow your engine... I've never met anyone who removes their CAI....EVER.

12-11-2001, 07:45 PM	#3
S13 Passion Zilvia Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 267 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i had a chat with some guy on this msg board while ago... i forgot who it was but i asked him the same thing when he got the CAE, and he said it doesnt affect it.  but of course, we shouldnt take his word for it 100% because this is a serious issue here.

12-11-2001, 07:45 PM	#4
mistert Pearl White Mike Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: memphis TN Posts: 908 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	AEM makes their little bypass valve, i dont thinkt hat you'd ever need it unles syou were trying to drive in a flood (in which case you'd likely be just as screwed anwyays), but i guess its worth the extra insurance

12-11-2001, 08:02 PM	#5
MattS14 Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 72 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	id any one see the test of the AEM filter Bypass valve in turbo magazie? The mad a custom intake pipe for and NSX so it would go out side the car and the filter would be submerged in a fish tank filled with water. They installed the bypass valve on the intake and fired it up. the engine still ran fine and no water got into the engine. And after the took the filter out of the water it still sucked air in through the bypass valve cause the filter was wet. The only downfall i see of using that bypass valve is that the filter on it it just a cheap piece of foam like what comes on headphones for you cd player.

12-11-2001, 08:13 PM	#6
mistert Pearl White Mike Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: memphis TN Posts: 908 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yes it wouldnt be that hard for them to sell a kit with a real filter off of something like a motorcycle carb, but if i ever to install a product with the option of a water bypass filter, i will do so

12-11-2001, 08:59 PM	#7
S13 Passion Zilvia Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 267 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from MattS14 on 8<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>2 pm on Dec. 11, 2001 id any one see the test of the AEM filter Bypass valve in turbo magazie? The mad a custom intake pipe for and NSX so it would go out side the car and the filter would be submerged in a fish tank filled with water. They installed the bypass valve on the intake and fired it up. the engine still ran fine and no water got into the engine. And after the took the filter out of the water it still sucked air in through the bypass valve cause the filter was wet. The only downfall i see of using that bypass valve is that the filter on it it just a cheap piece of foam like what comes on headphones for you cd player. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> what month of Turbo magazine is that in?

12-12-2001, 09:18 AM	#8
yenpit Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Holland Michigan Posts: 798 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hydro-locking an engine is real! we've had 3-4 cars around here this summer hydro-lock cuz of cold-air intakes. BUT we get rain storms that create BIG DEEP pools of water on the road (bad drainage system!). rain does not affect it. heavy downpours can! the filter has to be completely submerged in water (but it only takes a second to do!!) like matts14 mentioned, to create the suction. the bypass valve "breaks" the suction. its like suckin pop (soda for you east coasters) up a straw and cutting the straw with a blade.....if theres a hole in the straw u cant suck up the drink! if you get BAD rain storms in Alabama be careful. if it just rains....dont worry bout it.

12-12-2001, 11:14 AM	#9
vancouvers14 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 868 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	from my 200 days of rain and snow, its not necessary to ever remove it.  just make sure youre careful when you wash your car, and make sure the plastic fender cover is on. you don't need the shield or anything else.

12-12-2001, 04:23 PM	#10
Zenki Two40 Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: ... Posts: 285 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	make sure u have a rain resistant filter on there. don't know if this would help, but have u ever seen that dura lube infomercial where they spray water all over the whole engine n nothing happens?

12-12-2001, 04:37 PM	#11
ZeroGS14 Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 181 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	just dont go driving through deep puddles where the filter can suck up a lot of water

12-12-2001, 04:48 PM	#12
xNotoriousGQx Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 447 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I had my Injen CAE since the first day it came out...about 2 years.  I been through a blizzard, all kinds of snowstorm and thunderstorm without taking off the extension.  Nothing ever happens!  I think it willl a take Tsunami to get water inside your engine.

12-12-2001, 04:58 PM	#13
Zenki Two40 Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: ... Posts: 285 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	only thing that worries me is i got a 2" drop for the front of my car n i know there can be some decent sized puddles when it rains that i might not be able to avoid due to traffic. #### it, now i'm back to deciding on not getting a CAE.

12-12-2001, 05:05 PM	#14
240sxtreme Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Portland, OR Age: 44 Posts: 386 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You really don't have to worry about driving in the rain with it on....just actually submerging it, or driving right behind someone, and the water coming off their wheel is going right into the filter. I live in Portland, OR....and I took mine off around september/october.  I don't think there's that much standing water...although I have seen a couple of places, so I'm not really worried about puddles...But I can tell you that driving behind someone on the highway, in a heavy rain, could definately have the potential for damage.  I mean if you watch how much water is going directly onto the lower end of your front fender...where the filter is, it might scare you.  one time, I swear it was like a steady stream of water for about 20-25 minutes.....I kept thinking, I wonder what would have happened it I hadn't taken it off...would the water have gotten in?  Are you really going to care about 3-5 hp during the wet/snow seasons?  to me, it's not worth it...