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Luka240nos · 06-12-2006, 05:21 PM

I have a 1991 240sx LE and I wanted to throw a ford 302 engine in it. I was wondering what I would need to do this swap. I need the info from someone that knows what they are talking about. I would really appreciate it. PLEASE NO ONE POST ANYTHING THAT IS NOT INFO ABOUT THE SWAP. thanks

Siberian Husky · 06-12-2006, 05:25 PM

Check the "v8 swap" FAQ in the Tech section...

i believe there is a small block ls1 swap kit readily available that will pass emissions..but i might be mistaken..(not sure if they figured out the header deal yet)..anyways..the ford 302 i believe has been done..

sorry im not much help, thought i'd get this moving..but check that FAQ though

HyperTek · 06-12-2006, 06:48 PM

there was a guy who put a 5.0 mustang motor in one, as well as a must-40 conversion hahaha = 87-92 mustang front end on s13. pics floating on the internet if u can find em

ms!3 · 06-12-2006, 07:04 PM

i know you didnt want anybody to post something not about the swap but if your gonna do the v8 swap why would you wanna put a ford engine in a nissan. why not the titan v8 or something or the v8 from the toyota soarer?

theicecreamdan · 06-12-2006, 07:40 PM

because you can find a 302 on the side of the road. Aftermarket parts for the 302 are cheap and plentiful.

Titan V8 or soarer V8 = money, hard to find parts. manual transmission is not a common thing.

ms!3 · 06-13-2006, 08:47 AM

well i never thought about the manuel transmission thing. but i just think its kinda stupid to put an american engine in a japanese car.

sittinsideways · 06-13-2006, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MS!3

well i never thought about the manuel transmission thing. but i just think its kinda stupid to put an american engine in a japanese car.

so does that work the same way with putting a jap motor in an american car? *cough*tokodrift*cough*

ayuaddict · 06-13-2006, 09:27 AM

haha, yes "lets make ultimate drift car with RB26 powered mustang".

theres nothing wrong with putting a V8 in a light RWD japanese car. especially if its a LS1

*exitspeed* · 06-13-2006, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MS!3

well i never thought about the manuel transmission thing. but i just think its kinda stupid to put an american engine in a japanese car.

that's what I thought til I say a Supercharged LS1 in a 240 at Formula D. I instantly changed my perspective...

240shorty · 06-13-2006, 09:44 AM

My brother is working on one for an s13 currently. It's mostly alot of cutting and welding. He just took some old truck mounts we had lying around and cut them to fit the 240 crossmember. Also modified a Ford tranny crossmember (I believe from an LTD) to work. Used an older Mustang 4 speed which comes pretty close to the stock shifter location. Custom length driveshaft is also necessary depending on what tranny. These were all budget choices as his a$$ is broke. He's got it all mounted and in there. It sits surprisingly low.

Two other things. He used a Ford front sump and had to cut the rear of the sump a bit to clear the crossmember. The drivers side exhaust header/manifold also poses a problem due to clearance issues with the steering shaft. I hope you are good at welding and ghetto fab work...

MikeDeuce · 06-13-2006, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MS!3

why not the titan v8 or something or the v8 from the toyota soarer?... but i just think its kinda stupid to put an american engine in a japanese car.

The only thing japanese about the Titan engine is the badge. Those puppies are built in Echerd, Tennessee, and the rest of the truck is built in Canton, Mississippi :P

redsuns3838 · 06-13-2006, 12:30 PM

custom mounts, driveshaft, custom downpipe, tranny mount, lots of wiring, thats what you will need off the top of my head. you almost might need to cut some stuff for the shifter to fit into the cabin properly. as they said check the V8 swap FAQ, because im just stating the obvious stuff, i dont intend to ever swap a V8 in to my car.

Ghettokracker71 · 06-13-2006, 01:19 PM

Yeah I personally wouldn't do it. I think ford reliability is lower than nissan reliability,and I am not big on 'wrong company swaps',when plenty of powerful,light engines are readily available from the 'right company'. I would understand if its like an MG or something,okay wtf engine did MG made that really made decent power?

Good luck either way.

ms!3 · 06-14-2006, 10:26 AM

well i guess its whatever you wanna do, i just dont really care for v8 swaps.

lucky7 · 06-14-2006, 06:38 PM

a guy i know has an LS1 S13. he just walked a C5 ZO6. hehe. ill find a pic.

lucky7 · 06-14-2006, 06:44 PM

ive never seen these because i dont have quicktime..... but enjoy......i guess..

http://media.putfile.com/Start-89

http://media.putfile.com/Block-Run

http://media.putfile.com/back-97

theicecreamdan · 06-14-2006, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MS!3

well i never thought about the manuel transmission thing. but i just think its kinda stupid to put an american engine in a japanese car.

Thats like saying a white guy shouldnt date a japanese girl. There is no reason to that logic, no car cares what engine is under the hood, and no chassis cares what engine is inside it. ALL that matters is the grin you get on your face every day when you drive your own car. and maybe a little bit the grin you put on other people's face when you put down a cloud of smoke and dissappear.

lucky7 · 06-15-2006, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theicecreamdan

Thats like saying a white guy shouldnt date a japanese girl. There is no reason to that logic, no car cares what engine is under the hood, and no chassis cares what engine is inside it. ALL that matters is the grin you get on your face every day when you drive your own car. and maybe a little bit the grin you put on other people's face when you put down a cloud of smoke and dissappear.

all the other cars will be staring though..

ranisron · 06-15-2006, 10:05 PM

wow, good video... VERY mean!!!

lucky7 · 06-16-2006, 10:15 AM

damn, ive never watched them. quicktime always seems to takeover my cpu. it like messes everything up and i have to reformat. so i avoid it like the plague.

trsilvias13 · 06-16-2006, 10:51 AM

^^watch it at work or school or friends house.

HyperTek · 06-16-2006, 12:34 PM

ford has an extensive racing history from rally to formula 1 and enduro racing back in the day. THey made some of the worlds greatest race cars.

thats not to say those motors were reliable tho lol

TruckFortySX · 06-16-2006, 02:25 PM

I'm thinking the title of this thread should be changed to "Do you guys think I should put a 302 in a 240?"

jeez

At any rate, if you are planning on an injected 5.0, turocharging is a very feasible and somewhat affordable journey. Shorty headers for the 5.0 can be flipped to aim forwards towards some "turbo room" up front. For a V8, those engines respond very well to boost, are fairly lightweight (for cast iron), and love to rev. I pondered this type of swap in one of my FC's a little while ago. Good luck man.

_Late_

240silvia · 06-16-2006, 08:25 PM

wow!!!!! This is def a must do install. I've been the SR route, I've been the KA-T route, twice, but never this.....

harlockssx · 06-16-2006, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghettokracker71

Yeah I personally wouldn't do it. I think ford reliability is lower than nissan reliability,and I am not big on 'wrong company swaps',when plenty of powerful,light engines are readily available from the 'right company'. I would understand if its like an MG or something,okay wtf engine did MG made that really made decent power?

Good luck either way.

Lower than Nissan reliability. NO. I've put over 275,000 miles on an untouched 5.0 motor & I beat the hell out of it everyday for 12 years. That engine changed my whole automotive perspective forever. My stupid Z32 TT could only dream of being able to do the same, let alone my 180SX...The benefits to this swap will be a very responsive inexpensive combo with limitless aftermarket for the motor. There isn't another car out there that can compare to the aftermarket available for the Mustang.

The 302 is lighter than you think as well, especially if you opt for aluminum heads in the future, as I did when I build my first one. The downsides to the swap other than possible legal ramifications (location dependant) is that you will have ZERO traction (good luck with that), and because of that you may lose to slower cars. Also, if the 302 is say a stock 1987-93 5.0 HO from a Mustang or Lincoln MK7, it's only putting out 225Hp stock (BUT 300 lbs torque at low rpm) so anything you could do to make more power would be recommended. That's when cost comes into play. A good set of aftermarket heads (stock suck, approx. $1200), new HP roller cam (~$250), better intake (~$450), mass air meter & injectors (~$500 for both) will get you to about 300-350 RWHP if the proper combination is used on a stock motor with free flowing exhaust.

Doing this swap with a stock motor is kind of pointless though, even though it will be a lot of fun & faster than with a KA, you won't be king of the streets by any means. Good luck!

axiomatik · 06-16-2006, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TruckFortySX

I'm thinking the title of this thread should be changed to "Do you guys think I should put a 302 in a 240?"

jeez

no kidding, at least add a question mark. I clicked on this link hoping to SEE a 302 in a 240

06-12-2006, 05:21 PM	#1
Luka240nos Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Brunswick,OH-44212 Posts: 9 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	302 powered 240sx I have a 1991 240sx LE and I wanted to throw a ford 302 engine in it. I was wondering what I would need to do this swap. I need the info from someone that knows what they are talking about. I would really appreciate it. PLEASE NO ONE POST ANYTHING THAT IS NOT INFO ABOUT THE SWAP. thanks

06-12-2006, 06:48 PM	#3
HyperTek Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 13,222 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	there was a guy who put a 5.0 mustang motor in one, as well as a must-40 conversion hahaha = 87-92 mustang front end on s13. pics floating on the internet if u can find em __________________ Keep it Classy

06-14-2006, 06:38 PM	#15
lucky7 Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Oakland (OT) Michigan Age: 36 Posts: 3,353 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: lucky7 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	a guy i know has an LS1 S13. he just walked a C5 ZO6. hehe. ill find a pic. __________________ -Dane

06-14-2006, 06:44 PM	#16
lucky7 Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Oakland (OT) Michigan Age: 36 Posts: 3,353 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: lucky7 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ive never seen these because i dont have quicktime..... but enjoy......i guess.. http://media.putfile.com/Start-89 http://media.putfile.com/Block-Run http://media.putfile.com/back-97 __________________ -Dane

06-15-2006, 10:05 PM	#19
ranisron Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bloomington, IN Age: 39 Posts: 766 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	wow, good video... VERY mean!!! __________________ U13 and S13 zilvia members are friendly

06-12-2006, 05:25 PM	#2
Siberian Husky Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: CA Posts: 411 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Check the "v8 swap" FAQ in the Tech section... i believe there is a small block ls1 swap kit readily available that will pass emissions..but i might be mistaken..(not sure if they figured out the header deal yet)..anyways..the ford 302 i believe has been done.. sorry im not much help, thought i'd get this moving..but check that FAQ though

06-12-2006, 07:04 PM	#4
ms!3 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA Age: 31 Posts: 1,563 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	i know you didnt want anybody to post something not about the swap but if your gonna do the v8 swap why would you wanna put a ford engine in a nissan. why not the titan v8 or something or the v8 from the toyota soarer?

06-13-2006, 08:47 AM	#6
ms!3 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA Age: 31 Posts: 1,563 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	well i never thought about the manuel transmission thing. but i just think its kinda stupid to put an american engine in a japanese car.

06-13-2006, 09:27 AM	#8
ayuaddict Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Socal Age: 32 Posts: 4,017 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	haha, yes "lets make ultimate drift car with RB26 powered mustang". theres nothing wrong with putting a V8 in a light RWD japanese car. especially if its a LS1

06-13-2006, 09:44 AM	#10
240shorty Leaky Injector Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 147 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	My brother is working on one for an s13 currently. It's mostly alot of cutting and welding. He just took some old truck mounts we had lying around and cut them to fit the 240 crossmember. Also modified a Ford tranny crossmember (I believe from an LTD) to work. Used an older Mustang 4 speed which comes pretty close to the stock shifter location. Custom length driveshaft is also necessary depending on what tranny. These were all budget choices as his a$$ is broke. He's got it all mounted and in there. It sits surprisingly low. Two other things. He used a Ford front sump and had to cut the rear of the sump a bit to clear the crossmember. The drivers side exhaust header/manifold also poses a problem due to clearance issues with the steering shaft. I hope you are good at welding and ghetto fab work...

06-13-2006, 12:30 PM	#12
redsuns3838 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: dog town Posts: 969 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	custom mounts, driveshaft, custom downpipe, tranny mount, lots of wiring, thats what you will need off the top of my head. you almost might need to cut some stuff for the shifter to fit into the cabin properly. as they said check the V8 swap FAQ, because im just stating the obvious stuff, i dont intend to ever swap a V8 in to my car.

06-13-2006, 01:19 PM	#13
Ghettokracker71 Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Don't look now... Age: 34 Posts: 3,327 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yeah I personally wouldn't do it. I think ford reliability is lower than nissan reliability,and I am not big on 'wrong company swaps',when plenty of powerful,light engines are readily available from the 'right company'. I would understand if its like an MG or something,okay wtf engine did MG made that really made decent power? Good luck either way.

06-14-2006, 10:26 AM	#14
ms!3 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA Age: 31 Posts: 1,563 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	well i guess its whatever you wanna do, i just dont really care for v8 swaps.

06-16-2006, 10:15 AM	#20
lucky7 Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Oakland (OT) Michigan Age: 36 Posts: 3,353 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: lucky7 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	damn, ive never watched them. quicktime always seems to takeover my cpu. it like messes everything up and i have to reformat. so i avoid it like the plague. __________________ -Dane

06-16-2006, 10:51 AM	#21
trsilvias13 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,984 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	^^watch it at work or school or friends house.

06-16-2006, 12:34 PM	#22
HyperTek Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 13,222 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	ford has an extensive racing history from rally to formula 1 and enduro racing back in the day. THey made some of the worlds greatest race cars. thats not to say those motors were reliable tho lol __________________ Keep it Classy

06-16-2006, 02:25 PM	#23
TruckFortySX Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Brolympia, WA Age: 35 Posts: 70 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'm thinking the title of this thread should be changed to "Do you guys think I should put a 302 in a 240?" jeez At any rate, if you are planning on an injected 5.0, turocharging is a very feasible and somewhat affordable journey. Shorty headers for the 5.0 can be flipped to aim forwards towards some "turbo room" up front. For a V8, those engines respond very well to boost, are fairly lightweight (for cast iron), and love to rev. I pondered this type of swap in one of my FC's a little while ago. Good luck man. _Late_

06-16-2006, 08:25 PM	#24
240silvia Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Wilmington NC Age: 36 Posts: 2,060 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	wow!!!!! This is def a must do install. I've been the SR route, I've been the KA-T route, twice, but never this.....

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