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bosozoku.s14 · 04-30-2005, 03:10 AM

does it really matter what brands?

im trying to run 225/45/17 on 17x9 +15...
any inputs?

thanks in advance

nlzmo400r · 04-30-2005, 03:21 AM

i dont think any tire would be 'better' for stretching,except perhaps something with a stiffer sidewall (sportier tires/azenis etc).

*revat619* · 04-30-2005, 03:42 AM

FWIW, a 225/45 on a 17x9 isnt a hard stretch at all. With that tire size, any performance tire you use will be fine.

bosozoku.s14 · 04-30-2005, 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revat619

FWIW, a 225/45 on a 17x9 isnt a hard stretch at all. With that tire size, any performance tire you use will be fine.

what do you meant by performance tire???
so dunlop, bridgestone, yokohomo will work too?

TheTicTac · 04-30-2005, 05:40 AM

I think he means any tire company that develops performance tires such as dunlop, bridgestone, yoko, kumho...etc etc etc. Tire stretching isn't based solely on tire compound but a combo of sidewall and tire ratio aspec such as a 45 series vs 60 series.

supportTHEezln · 04-30-2005, 11:06 AM

225 on a 9" isn't too vicious any OK tire will be fine. fm901's don't have a reinforced sidewall, i think correct me if i'm wrong, but people stretch the shit out of those, so who cares

Pancor · 04-30-2005, 12:26 PM

I think they're called "Fuzion" Overall not a bad tire, but a cheap alternative marketed to dumbass ricers - one of the only types of people who would even want to "stretch" a tire.

nlzmo400r · 04-30-2005, 02:06 PM

^^that and drifters. I dont really see the point in getting such big wheels, and then stretching a small tire of them for drifting, why not just get a small wheel/tire combo and save the money?

SequenceGarage · 04-30-2005, 02:14 PM

FM901s are so easy to stretch dude, they have a squareish design and a non reinforced sidewall, they are cheap and they wear really nice even at the track.

Lets face it stretched tires and big wheels look pimp, for drifting ultimate performance doenst really matter.

For road racing obvoiusly you wouldn't stretch a tire nor run an offset that would only fit with -89.99 degrees camber

TheTicTac · 04-30-2005, 03:50 PM

Stretching tires does contribute to the handling of a car, it's not a ricer mod like some of you think.

Var · 04-30-2005, 03:59 PM

i can vouch for it...i run a 205-55-15 FM901 on stock steelies. If you swap setups you can really feel the sidewall bulge. You dont really notice it till it's gone. THen you'll wanna upgrade your wheels. Which is why i wanna ditch the steelies now

bosozoku.s14 · 04-30-2005, 04:00 PM

thanks for all the inputs...really appreciate it..

do you guys have any experience with specific brand and model?? please let me kno..im gonna use these tires for daily driving...which one will last longer?

do you guys kno any place in nor cal can mount the tires for me? i've been told its not an easy task and not that many shops will touch it...

Dousan_PG · 04-30-2005, 04:09 PM

its very easy to do
depends on the tire of course but leave the tire in the sun for a bit, bam no problem
shops just dont want to be liablve.
ive run stretched tires for over 2 years of various types
never had any dismounting/popping off problems. daily driven thru LA streets and parts of the state and track time

Irukandji · 04-30-2005, 04:13 PM

is there such thing as "better stretching?"

Dousan_PG · 04-30-2005, 04:16 PM

no

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Var · 04-30-2005, 04:18 PM

dude-son ..what sizes have you used, and which do you like best? (on 9 inch rims)

Brian · 04-30-2005, 05:38 PM

9 inch
205/40/17 - Used as fronts. Will cause understeer if you are not precise.
215/40/17 - Used these as fronts.
215/45/17 - Use these as fronts currently. really like them. Use them as rears sometimes.
225/45/17 - i use these in the rear on my KA S14.
235/40/17 - very popular in the front for drift cars. never used them, but dousan does.

Var · 04-30-2005, 05:42 PM

interesting to see the 235's in the front, but to have everything make sense, i'd have to know what he runs in relation (rear size)

Dousan_PG · 04-30-2005, 07:00 PM

what brian said

i run 235/40/17 on 17x10
and a 215/45/17 on a 17x9
but going to 235/40/17 on the 9j soon

more grip up front

cosmosis · 05-01-2005, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pancor

I think they're called "Fuzion" Overall not a bad tire, but a cheap alternative marketed to dumbass ricers - one of the only types of people who would even want to "stretch" a tire.

Ricers don't stretch tires. They: A. Don't drift
and: B. Don't have the aesthetic awareness to put a stretched tire on a rim good looking enough to pull it off.

Anyway, I'm new here. What's up everyone.

I don't have a 240 now, but I'm pretty sure it's going to be the next whip. i used to have an Altima, so I'm familiar with Nissans in general and the KA in specific. I'm going to lurk here and learn all I can about potential swaps, problems etc. And don't take it personally if I disagree. No attack meant, I just like to argue.

And to the topic starter, check out the Dunlop Direzzo. It's a new tire marketed to drifters. It's supposed to be comprable to the FM-901 as far as handling tendencies, but it's a lot cheaper.

I just ordered 2 for my GTI. In reading the reviews on tire rack, someone said he found them good for stretching.

Gladman · 05-01-2005, 03:46 PM

225's on a 9" rim isnt even all that stretched, im putting 225's on my 9" rims, the tread is the exact same width as the rim. I hardly see it as a ricey or pointless mod. If i installed 255's on my 9" rims, they would hit the fenders and id have to increase negative camber. 225's are prime on 9" rims.

turtl631 · 05-01-2005, 04:31 PM

225/45/17 is recommended for 7-8.5" rim. Putting that on a 9" is definitely a stretch. Most people tracking a car with wheels that wide will use somethign between a 245 and 265 because those are the sizes that actually fit well.

nlzmo400r · 05-01-2005, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gladman

225's on a 9" rim isnt even all that stretched, im putting 225's on my 9" rims, the tread is the exact same width as the rim. I hardly see it as a ricey or pointless mod. If i installed 255's on my 9" rims, they would hit the fenders and id have to increase negative camber. 225's are prime on 9" rims.

Thats definitely a stretch, maybe not a 'drifter' stretch, but its not 'optimal fitting', thats for sure. I run 225 on 7.5s and 245s on 8.5s, I'd say thats pretty much right, theres no stretch, and the sidewall sits flush with the lip of the rim. Also, I know drifters like to run tiny tires (for the ease of breaking them loose), hoewever, wider front tires (235 as opposed to 215) will result in more oversteer off throttle oversteer and can actually help you put the car sideways earlier

wakdady · 05-01-2005, 08:57 PM

215/45/17 work the best on my 17x9 +15 fronts. During HPDE the car turned in very very well. they also rub less if at all than 225's or 235's

bosozoku.s14 · 05-01-2005, 10:07 PM

wow...keep the opinions coming...appreciate all your inputs..

can u guys recommend certain brand/model tires for me? my rims are coming in i need to order tires now..

yudalicious · 05-01-2005, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wakdady

215/45/17 work the best on my 17x9 +15 fronts. During HPDE the car turned in very very well. they also rub less if at all than 225's or 235's

betcha $5 that 215/45/17 would've worked just as well on a 7 inch wide rim, not to mention rotational mass saved with the 7 inch wide rim.

nlzmo400r · 05-02-2005, 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wakdady

215/45/17 work the best on my 17x9 +15 fronts. During HPDE the car turned in very very well. they also rub less if at all than 225's or 235's

Rub less than a 235?? One of my best friends has a kouki s14 on KTS coilovers and his car is LOW, and he runs 17x9 (15offset) up front and a 245/45/17 azenis sport with NO rub.

wakdady · 05-02-2005, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yudalicious

betcha $5 that 215/45/17 would've worked just as well on a 7 inch wide rim, not to mention rotational mass saved with the 7 inch wide rim.

betcha $5 your right and that i dont give a shit because that's the whole point of stretching a tire onto a rim. if i went with a 7 in. wide rim, the tire wouldnt be so stretched and the front end wouldnt be as responsive

wakdady · 05-02-2005, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nlzmo400r

Rub less than a 235?? One of my best friends has a kouki s14 on KTS coilovers and his car is LOW, and he runs 17x9 (15offset) up front and a 245/45/17 azenis sport with NO rub.

oops, i forgot to mention is have an s13. it's i little more difficult to make big rims fit

yudalicious · 05-02-2005, 09:33 AM

why get so defensive? Never said it was bad, just wanted to make my point clear.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wakdady

betcha $5 your right and that i dont give a shit because that's the whole point of stretching a tire onto a rim. if i went with a 7 in. wide rim, the tire wouldnt be so stretched and the front end wouldnt be as responsive

04-30-2005, 03:10 AM	#1
bosozoku.s14 Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Jose Posts: 252 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	What kind of tires are better for streching? does it really matter what brands? im trying to run 225/45/17 on 17x9 +15... any inputs? thanks in advance

04-30-2005, 03:21 AM	#2
nlzmo400r Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: louisiana Posts: 1,248 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i dont think any tire would be 'better' for stretching,except perhaps something with a stiffer sidewall (sportier tires/azenis etc). __________________ 'my drinking team has a racing problem' [email protected] - gt32 .6bar

04-30-2005, 03:42 AM	#3
revat619 Retired General Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Diego Posts: 4,672 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	FWIW, a 225/45 on a 17x9 isnt a hard stretch at all. With that tire size, any performance tire you use will be fine. __________________ www.Jspec.com www.SpeedAlliance.com www.PoweredByMax.net Instagram: @rjsladerade

04-30-2005, 05:40 AM	#5
TheTicTac Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2002 Location: CA Posts: 449 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I think he means any tire company that develops performance tires such as dunlop, bridgestone, yoko, kumho...etc etc etc. Tire stretching isn't based solely on tire compound but a combo of sidewall and tire ratio aspec such as a 45 series vs 60 series. __________________ GorgeousGarage L.oose S.ocks D.aisuke !

04-30-2005, 02:06 PM	#8
nlzmo400r Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: louisiana Posts: 1,248 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^^that and drifters. I dont really see the point in getting such big wheels, and then stretching a small tire of them for drifting, why not just get a small wheel/tire combo and save the money? __________________ 'my drinking team has a racing problem' [email protected] - gt32 .6bar

04-30-2005, 11:06 AM	#6
supportTHEezln Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Los Angeles Age: 36 Posts: 552 Trader Rating: (10) Feedback Score: 10 reviews	225 on a 9" isn't too vicious any OK tire will be fine. fm901's don't have a reinforced sidewall, i think correct me if i'm wrong, but people stretch the shit out of those, so who cares

04-30-2005, 12:26 PM	#7
Pancor Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 82 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I think they're called "Fuzion" Overall not a bad tire, but a cheap alternative marketed to dumbass ricers - one of the only types of people who would even want to "stretch" a tire.

04-30-2005, 02:14 PM	#9
SequenceGarage Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Age: 35 Posts: 82 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	FM901s are so easy to stretch dude, they have a squareish design and a non reinforced sidewall, they are cheap and they wear really nice even at the track. Lets face it stretched tires and big wheels look pimp, for drifting ultimate performance doenst really matter. For road racing obvoiusly you wouldn't stretch a tire nor run an offset that would only fit with -89.99 degrees camber __________________ Sasha Anis Sequence-Garage

04-30-2005, 03:50 PM	#10
TheTicTac Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2002 Location: CA Posts: 449 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Stretching tires does contribute to the handling of a car, it's not a ricer mod like some of you think. __________________ GorgeousGarage L.oose S.ocks D.aisuke !

04-30-2005, 03:59 PM	#11
Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 39 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i can vouch for it...i run a 205-55-15 FM901 on stock steelies. If you swap setups you can really feel the sidewall bulge. You dont really notice it till it's gone. THen you'll wanna upgrade your wheels. Which is why i wanna ditch the steelies now __________________ Hi

04-30-2005, 04:00 PM	#12
bosozoku.s14 Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Jose Posts: 252 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thanks for all the inputs...really appreciate it.. do you guys have any experience with specific brand and model?? please let me kno..im gonna use these tires for daily driving...which one will last longer? do you guys kno any place in nor cal can mount the tires for me? i've been told its not an easy task and not that many shops will touch it...

04-30-2005, 04:09 PM	#13
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 42 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	its very easy to do depends on the tire of course but leave the tire in the sun for a bit, bam no problem shops just dont want to be liablve. ive run stretched tires for over 2 years of various types never had any dismounting/popping off problems. daily driven thru LA streets and parts of the state and track time __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

04-30-2005, 04:13 PM	#14
Irukandji Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Compton Posts: 4,268 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	is there such thing as "better stretching?"

04-30-2005, 04:16 PM	#15
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 42 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	no ...message length __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

04-30-2005, 04:18 PM	#16
Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 39 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	dude-son ..what sizes have you used, and which do you like best? (on 9 inch rims) __________________ Hi

04-30-2005, 05:38 PM	#17
Brian Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: usa Posts: 12,840 Trader Rating: (54) Rides Gallery: Brian Feedback Score: 54 reviews	9 inch 205/40/17 - Used as fronts. Will cause understeer if you are not precise. 215/40/17 - Used these as fronts. 215/45/17 - Use these as fronts currently. really like them. Use them as rears sometimes. 225/45/17 - i use these in the rear on my KA S14. 235/40/17 - very popular in the front for drift cars. never used them, but dousan does. __________________ http://bhworld.wordpress.com/

04-30-2005, 05:42 PM	#18
Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 39 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	interesting to see the 235's in the front, but to have everything make sense, i'd have to know what he runs in relation (rear size) __________________ Hi

04-30-2005, 07:00 PM	#19
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 42 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	what brian said i run 235/40/17 on 17x10 and a 215/45/17 on a 17x9 but going to 235/40/17 on the 9j soon more grip up front __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

05-01-2005, 03:46 PM	#21
Gladman Zilvia Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Vancouver Age: 36 Posts: 287 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	225's on a 9" rim isnt even all that stretched, im putting 225's on my 9" rims, the tread is the exact same width as the rim. I hardly see it as a ricey or pointless mod. If i installed 255's on my 9" rims, they would hit the fenders and id have to increase negative camber. 225's are prime on 9" rims. __________________ Kick Ass 2.4Liter Engine!

05-01-2005, 04:31 PM	#22
turtl631 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Milwaukee WI Posts: 900 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	225/45/17 is recommended for 7-8.5" rim. Putting that on a 9" is definitely a stretch. Most people tracking a car with wheels that wide will use somethign between a 245 and 265 because those are the sizes that actually fit well.

05-01-2005, 08:57 PM	#24
wakdady Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 93 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	215/45/17 work the best on my 17x9 +15 fronts. During HPDE the car turned in very very well. they also rub less if at all than 225's or 235's

05-01-2005, 10:07 PM	#25
bosozoku.s14 Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Jose Posts: 252 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	wow...keep the opinions coming...appreciate all your inputs.. can u guys recommend certain brand/model tires for me? my rims are coming in i need to order tires now..

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