SimpleS14

Yes, I'm aware everyone is entitled to their opinions and the remarks from Bush would be no different than the average Joe. I just think it's funny how he says he's not going to criticize his successor, yet that is exactly what he's doing.

I will admit he does bring up a valid concern about universal healthcare, but we don't know for sure how it's going to be panned out here in the states. I hope lessons can be learned from other countries that implemented such plans.

When he said this:
I LOL'd because I instantly thought about TARP (which he signed in).


CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Bush takes aim at Obama policies « - Blogs from CNN.com

I have a strong feeling RJF will post in this thread

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BustedS13

they both have funny ears

'merica

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SimpleS14

lol I thought I was the only one that noticed that

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Future240

I hope no one is surprised. of course he is going to criticize Obama. He is from a different party. I believe he would have done the same with McCain. I mean he was shitted on for so long, so it is probably nice for him to be able to do the same to someone else.

Enter RJF

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BustedS13

the demonization of opposing parties is really getting old, i thought it was cool when obama put Fox News on blast

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Future240

Agreed. I don't see why they blame each other for everything that is wrong. To me they are two paths to a similar end.

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ronmcdon

Meh, pretty meaningless article.
Basically it notes that Bush doesn't agree w 3 things Obama does.
-universal healthcare
-gitmo & interrogation procedures
-gov't intervention into the economy (doesn't specify which aspect)
No details, specifics, or reasons why Bush disagrees with the stuff he mentions.

Because it came from CNN, I'm not going to take that source too seriously.
Difficult to say if Bush chose not to elaborate, or CNN chose not print the full speech.
Either way, it's inconsequential at best.
1 shitty media's attempt to discredit someone who doesn't have any credibility to begin with, isn't worth the time.

I will say that it's a bit harsh, dumb, & uncalled for Bush to say:
"At least my vice prez didn't shoot anyone on purpose".
Then again, Bush will be Bush.
Too bad there weren't any good 'Bushisms' (corny Bush 1 liners) in there.

BustedS13

which do you consider to be a credible news outlet?

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ronmcdon

BBC and Wall Street Journal (the actual paper, not the internet) is pretty fair & well written imo.
Best thing to do ideally would be to read as many sources as you can & make up your own mind.

I wouldn't necessarily discount CNN entirely.
I just wouldn't use them as my only news source & take everything they say seriously.

flip3d

"At least when my vice president shot somebody, it was an accident," Bush said.


lawl.

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imotion s14

It's gonna turn out just it has in other countries ie rationing of health care. These clowns just don't see any alternative to this other then government involvement when it was government involvement that cause health care cost to rise. You ever hear them talk about how illogical it is to tie insurance to your job? Guess who started that?

Government. HMO Act of 1973.

But they rarely ever admit to being wrong on anything despite reality.

RJF

It's about time something was said and he didn't personally criticize Obama, unlike President ThinSkin, who takes every opportunity to say "I inherited this mess"

1. This economy is all on Obama now. His $787Billion stimulus was supposed to cap unemployment at 8%, we're at 9.4% and rising. Interest rates are already rising and inflation will probably kick in soon.

2. His spending and waste has raised the deficit to $10 Trillion+ over the next 10 years. How do you think that'll be paid for? Printing money = inflation and higher taxes on everyone

3. Foreign Policy - With his worldwide "Apology Tour" he makes us look weak. The North Koreans are laughing at us and accelerating their nuke program and launching missiles left and right. What happens when they launch something towards California or Hawaii? Meanwhile Obama cuts the budget for missile defense.

Iran situation - He doesn't have the balls to come out and say that we support democracy and call into question the election results or condemn the murder of 8 protesters, plus he continues to legitimize the current regime.

4. Universal Health Care - Another $2 Trillion to insure 1/3 of the current uninsured, half of whom are illegal aliens. The government can't even run the existing programs (Medicare and Medicaid) and they want to create another monster. hell, the Post Office can't even break even and we're supposed to believe his socialized medicine plan is going to be revenue neutral.

5. Auto Industry - Since when is the government in in the business of running car companies. Maybe back in the USSR days. And his supposed structured bankruptcy - giving the unions 60% control of the companies. They are the ones who killed GM and Chrysler. Meanwhile legitimate bondholders (guaranteed in standard bankruptcy proceedings) lose all their investments.

6. Czars - technically violates US Constitution - All of the President's cabinet members have to be approved by the US Senate. Meanwhile these Czars are given the positions as political payback and require no Senate approval. Even Sen. Robert Byrd (Democrat) has raised this issue and says it violates the Constitution.

7. Control of Media - This latest ABC episode is a prime example. ABC is turning over their entire broadcast schedule on June 24th to the White House so they can sell their propaganda on socialized medicine as an infomercial. Meanwhile there will be be no dissenting views or even opportunities by opponents to express their opinions. This is what was called "State Controlled Media" in the Soviet Union and what Hugo Chavez does in Venezuela today.

8. Taxes - You better believe taxes are going up because its the only way he can pay for all this BS. If they don't increase income taxes, we'll be nickel-and-dimed on other taxes, suchs as the gasoline tax, tax on health care benefits, Cap & Trade Tax

More?

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ESmorz

I want to be the Drug Czar.

Sounds like a villain from a bad 70's tv show.

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98s14inaz

^truth I don't have anything to add to the above statement.

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BustedS13

legalize weed lol

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SochBAT

Legalize:

Weed
Prostitution
Pimping.

It is that e-zayy.

BustedS13

i heard Weekly World News found Bat Boy

why hasn't Obama said anything about it

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^^

Really? Didn't Batboy's family disown him and sell him to slavery?

Did you read the article about discovering Atlantis? They say its perfectly able to be repopulated.

lucky7

i heard on the local news today that michigans unemployment is up to 14.1%... and they're expecting it to get even worse.

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theronin

Obama for change!!!!

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hopeless.s13

im sorry but obama is a dumbass. IMO of course. but that opinion is definitely growing.
...the problem is that everyone is still stuck on "OMG bush SUCKS, i hatez bush administrationz" and they cant seem to realize that obama is doing even worse.

i mean, think about it. obama has been in office for less than half a year, and we have NUMEROUS red flags, which i dont need to restate, thanks to 98s14inaz's post. at least bush took 8 years to screw things up.

oh and by the way, i remember how people were complaining that bush's spending plan was "an outrage" and "preposterous" and yet we sit here and watch obama spend 3 times as much and do half the work. all talk, no game.

RJF

Oh, almost forgot how he's thrown our only truly ally in the Middle East, Israel, under the bus, meanwhile Hamas still says their goal is the "destruction of Israel" and Obama tells Israel they need be flexible and work with the Palestinians.

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BustedS13

you were about 11 when bush was in office, so i'll go ahead and remind you.



you see, in september of 2001, there was a terrorist attack on our country. you may have heard people refer to a "9/11", well, they're not talking about who you call when your cat is stuck in a tree.
you see, on this "9/11", a plane was flown into what was called the World Trade Center, which was once the tallest pair of buildings in New York City. and at the time, George Herbert Walker Bush was hanging out with some kids, reading them a book. which is cool of him to do. but when someone came and told George what had happened, instead of reacting and leaving, he just sat around and kept reading to the kids, like nothing had happened.
and then, about a year and a half later, he went ahead and put all our troops in Iraq. they're still there. now, we went in because he was informed that a man named Saddam Hussein had "weapons of mass destruction", which he didn't. i'm not saying that Saddam wasn't a bad guy. he was, and now he's dead, and that's fine. but we blew up half the country along the way, and we've lost over 4,000 of our own men and women doing so. we've also had about 30,000 wounded. we're also still there. and we're there because of a lie. maybe George knew it was a lie, maybe he didn't. but we're still there for no reason. and we might be making great change over there and that's great. but we didn't really need to, and now we're about 4,000 young men and women short of where we should be, and that's a goddamn shame.
so yeah, I guess you're right, Bush didn't screw up anything until 2008 at the end of his term. sure.
and by the way, we knew about the 9/11 attacks before they happened. i'm not saying we caused them. i'm not saying it was an "inside job". i'm not asking you to count your "loose change". because that's all a bunch of bullshit. but we didn't do anything to stop it.

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hopeless.s13

hey thanks for the pointless insult.

in any case, youre right, the iraq war could most definitely been avoided, and by all means it was rather unnecessary.
i suppose my phrasing should have been changed because when i said he took 8 years to screw things up, i was mainly referring to our nation's economy.

about bush reading to the kids... would you have immediately removed yourself from your position and made a fuss about it? (consider the fact that the country isnt run by the president alone)
so im not really butthurt about that, even though he could have easily excused himself and said "dont be alarmed children, its merely a matter of national security, our story ends here"

now back to what i said earlier. why are we talking about bush? its over, hes gone, nobody liked him.
obama could turn out to be worse. shouldnt we worry about that together?

and to be truly honest, i would have to say that in a sort of way, im glad that we put out an attack against saddam, because it was an act of self defense. its better than going around and publicly apologizing for our nation's "arrogance"
of course not everyone will agree on this, but once we get nuked by N.Korea and Kim's brainwashed army, are we still going to be apologizing?
to quote bush from that video - "the role of the commander in chief [pause] is to respond forcefully... to prevent other attacks from happening"

BustedS13

maybe your phrasing was wrong, i don't know. but bush had a lot of things fucked up by the middle of his first term.
and we're not going to get hit by a north korean nuke. put that baby to bed. you think obama is like "hey, military, i have no balls, so don't guard the country, k"?
no matter what obama SAYS to other countries about their own bullshit, we are not in any danger of being hit with anything.


anyway. i think it'd be really cool if they fired up the Enola Gay and just took it for a cruise in North Korean airspace. just for the hell of it.



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jilo

this is the way i see it. and feel free to throw me in the fire.
i try to stay out of politics lately because it depresses the hell out of me. i really truly beleive the only way for any actual change for the better to happen we need a revolution once again.

voting does shit to "change our country" i got this idea from the first bush election.
to me voting is like asking a bully nicely to stop kicking you in the head. if he does stop hes only gonna hand you off to another goal kicker. no body ever gives up thier power easily. it has to be taken. we the citizens are pretty low on the totem pole of power so were fucked on that one.

the people who actually control our country do not give a fuck about us. its about money and control. im not saying that fixing our current problems is an easy thing that can be done just by "being a good person", the answer to our problems is a complicated one but i can sure see that we dont really matter much to people who make choices for us. importiant choices are consistantly made in favor of the few instead of the many.
the way we as humans live now reminds me alot of the time when kings ruled. but now the kings got smarter and better at lieing and spread out their power so their rule was harder to sway/destroy.

there is most likely an agenda to this shit. all things happen for a reason and im sure theres one for the current economic crisis. one world gov? one world dollar? maybe, you never know. the way i see it, the world is basically ripe for the picking and the ones in power hae to do something to occupy thier time, so why not rule the world, slowly but surely. im not even gonna think too much farther into that type of stuff. theories are what google is for , pick which one you believe the most. what shape fits in the hole type of thing.

obama may be the antichrist. who knows stranger things have happened. if not hes just gonna be the same as all the other fucked up leaders. why not strive for perfection.

the us has serious firepower and retards that like to fight are running the ship, so basically just sit back and watch. from far away.

and most of all, as far as i see it obama, bush, politics in general, are just there to give you somehting to look at and take your attention away from what is actually occuring in the world. actors in a very large scale play. think about it, all that money, technology, and wits. the larger countrys are out there doing some outlandish shit that we dont know about, so obama an bush talking shit really matters about as much as my opinions. they dont. we as people arent ever going to know whats actually going on. so dont sweat it untill it comes. but dont just do everything youre told either, actually live by your morals and consience. live for youreself and dont be a retard in other words.

this is why i hate politics they make me crazy.flame suit on.

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98s14inaz

That part is truly sad. Israel and the nation of Islam remind me of a road trip with two brothers in the back seat setting off car bombs on each other and then blaming each other when dad turns around to smack one of them. We need to support Israel but...the Palestinians have the right to exist too. A compromise needs to be made on both sides. He shouldn't have thrown Israel under the bus though.

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ronmcdon

Well, we have been and still are giving Israel billions of aid each year.
For giving them that much money, we have every right to criticize them & 'should' have more control over their decisions.
Best case scenario is not give them $$$ at all, and not meddle in their (or their neighbor's) affairs.
We have enough on our plate as is.

With regards to Obama's foreign policy, I agree with some things, not with everything.
You have to figure you already have your resources spread thin across Iraq, Afghan, and neighboring Pakistan alone.
Put off things you can put off, & focus on more immediate concerns.

Improving relations with Russia was was wise.
It's really not in the best interest of either country right now be at odds.

Ignoring N. Korea was agreeable.
Kim Jong Il just wants attention and $.
Don't give him what he wants.
He is also Asia's problem.
China just needs clean up their own mess here.

I don't agree with Obama giving Palestine $900 mill in aid $ to rebuild.
What's the point?
It's like helping them rebuild stuff that'll just get blown up again eventually.
It's a waste of resources
Either you prop Israel all the way, or just get the hell out of there.

Matej

CNN could have gotten a better article out of RJF.