guitaraholic

How is it that the EVOs can make 400 awhp? Yes, that's 400 whp with AWD drivetrain loss. I can only imagine how much HP they are making at the FW. The evo is a 2.0 liter just like ours. Somehow they are able to make great HP on a stock turbo setup, yes, exhaust, intercooler, injectors, but I'm talking about no major change.

Do our engine just suck a$$ on breathing? I've seen a little over 300whp on a TD05-16g (same turbo as a IX and X). Here are some links of dynos I've seen from some Evo's. 400whp and minimal lag.

400 wtq - Stock Evo 9 turbo - evolutionm.net

My Fuc**** Quick 400whp Evo X - EvoXForums.com - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X Forums

duffman1278

T28's can get 300 with the proper modifications.

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R33E8

because the 4g63 in evo's > all 4 cylinder engine.. no lie...

guitaraholic

Yeah, I dynoed mine at around 250whp, and that was with a bad boost leak and crappy louvered resonator (getting a vibrant soon)

smelly240

evo 9 and x arent the same as a normal 16g... they're closer to a 20g than a 16g - sit one next to a evo3 turbo (standard 16g)... wheels and housings are NOTICABLY BIGGER - and a ton bigger than a t28

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R33E8

Also, they usually use e85, meth/water, etc to make 400+ with the stock turbo..

smelly240

its remarkable how different the evo8 and evo9 turbos are... and the 3 is smaller... big16g smaller than that - and then the normal one.

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markapple0507

^^^^^ I definitely agree the 4g is the holy grail of all 4 cylinder engines. you just can't compare.

smelly240

cept anyone that REALLY knows - will always choose a 3s over a 4g...

I'm a DSM guy and I can admit when its beaten fair and square. The 3s is a work of art.

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guitaraholic

when you say 3S are you talking about a 3S-GTE? If so, what makes them better than a 4g63? Don't the 4g's have MiVec (variable valve timing) and the blocks are almost indestructible?

BTW, the 400whp was done on 93 octane, in one of the dynoes. And the exact turbo designation of the EVO IX turbo is TD05HRA-16G6C-10.5T. So its a 16G with a 10.5cm squared nozzel area

http://www.turbo-owners.com/forum/ge...g-20g-etc.html

These turbos go for cheap, and some of the dynos look very streetable. Hell you can pick them up for $300-$400 all day long. It would be a nice alternative to have something that spools like a GT2871, gives you 400whp, is REBUILDABLE and do it all for 1/3 the price.

I have nothing against Garret turbos. I just don't like paying $1200 for a turbo, or buy one used for say $800, and not have the option to rebuild it in case it craps out

boosted98gst

Thats why the 4g63 holds records through the world for being the fastest 4cly cars in the world? I daily drive a 9 second evo 9, for the money I have into it and what I have into my rb ive yet to have any "sports" car or anything even come close to what the 4g can do. 400whp? meth and e85? I am making over 650 awhp no meth, no e8th pure 93 ohio pump gas. Still stock crank and bore 2 liter. I still hold the record for hp for pump gas evo9 in the US rightnow.

boosted98gst

Only the 06 and up are mivec

guitaraholic

I've often thought about seeing how well I can get the sr20 head to flow (having it flow benched) I have a spare one that I have deburred and smoothed out. If its possible to get it to flow "close" to that of a 4g, then wouldn't it be possible, given everything else is equal, that the same mods on the SR20 engine would have close to the same HP as a 4g?

bl3ujay07

Send it to phase2. They quoted me 300 +shipping for new center for garrett bb turbos when i went down to get my pfc.

smelly240

The phoenix mr2 made 650 on pump - AND PASSED THE SNIFFER...

Then they put a beams one together and made even more. I can walk outside and go drive around in the talon and be all happy - but it isnt going to make the 3s any less wonderful.

being a fanboy for the car you drive is stupid... I have an sr and a 4g and I dont have foolish attachments to them.

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S13 curtis

They use big cams and 25+psi of boost + meth sometimes but i get where you are comming from, it would suck to have a 2871r car and get worked by a stock turbo evo. Has anybody used one of those 16gs on an sr yet?

smelly240

bill @ dentsport used a TME 6.5 rally turbo with bangbang for a few year but since switched to a 30r.

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boosted98gst

Yeah its always easy to name drop a shop or what other people have done to others cars, To be honest to me 650awhp is not that much its all what you're use to and drive towards. And you realize a motor that is tuned well on a standalone with a cat will pass emission right? My car passed E check with flying colors so thats nothing really impressive. I own many cars so I must be just a car fanboy.

boosted98gst

You do not need big cams on a evo9+ with mivec, even aftermarket cams are close to stock lift , they are def not as radical as the early model 4g . My cam's are not much bigger Br272's then stock cam's compared to some of the crazy built 4g's and I run 42psi out a hta37r with a lot of room.

RB24_S14

Evos have tiny engines with shit load os PSI. Any SR can make the same amount. I was going to trade for a Evo today but he is already going to need another rebuild in bairly 90K miles hes car had. To me those are bad motors. I will never leave RB power. Reliable, Powerfull and easy to work with.

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SpdElemts

Plus i heard that 4g63's has great flowing heads. Which is the reason why it makes soo much power in stock form.

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R33E8

I'm talking about on stock turbos, not with something like a gt42... And do you have any proof?

smelly240

Fisrt off - No one ever asked "hey how much power can a 37r make at 42psi on HD wisecos and eagles" - The reason 4gs make power is the turbo on them - not the engine... The 3S will make just as much with a 37r @ 42psi as u will...

650 @ 42psi on a 37rHTA is not exactly impressive. Its not like you make that "pump gas" number the way youre "daily driving" it every day and its not a stock motor... This means absolutely nothing. And lot of room to go???? at 42psi? on pump? riiight...

The 4g head does not flow some ridiculous amount, and with the exception of the slightly better - oem forged mahles in the 9 - they use the same piston and rod setup as a 2g.

If you put a big turbo on it and go big a 3s or even a f20 - will make a buttload of power... On a 4g you'll be running considerably more boost to match numbers.

I even posted a side by side of a evo 8 and 9 turbo... and the 8 is bigger than the 3... If you still have any question to why these guys can make 400 on a stock turbo you havent really looked.

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R33E8

Damn, I just noticed that you are running the HTA37R, if that's the case then on making over 650whp on pump with no meth, no e85 etc.. If AMS uses the same turbo with race fuel, a 2.3 stroker kit, and makes 720whp then there is no way you are making over 650 on pump with the 2.0..

AMS tests the New Forced Performance HTA37R! - evolutionm.net

guitaraholic

So, what I am getting from at least a few people on this post is, if you put a TD05HRA-16G6C-10.5T turbo on an SR20det, with maybe some decent cams, you should be getting close to if not at 400whp? If that is the case 400whp just got a bit cheaper.

bl3ujay07 - $300 for a whole new CHRA?

That being the case, wouldn't it be possible to "build" a GT2871r for a heck of a lot less then a new one. Being you are getting a whole new CHRA for $300, all you would have to buy is a compressor and turbine housing, and I am pretty sure you can pick those up for not much more than $300. For that price you can go custom and even have a special turbine housing made that has the external port attached to the outside of the housing.

R33E8

It's a reverse twin scroll turbo so you might need a custom mani for it..

guitaraholic

I have heard that to get it to just fit, you just need to get a custom flange. But in order to get the full benefit you need to have an equal length twin scroll manifold.

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tkocrewsr

well yea, and what else you have to relize is that like one of the other guys said it take alot more boost in a 4g to make the power a sr20 could with comparable mods.What else you dont relize is that most people can easily get similar numbers with a sr20 but dont becuase they are usually to cheap.The new 4g's are nice pieces of work by all means,I know this cuz my G/F has an evo 9 with an intake,turbo back and a mild ecu tune.This setup made 309whp with the exhaust and tune not the intake,when i got around to putting the intake on it made the car gain 4 tenths in the quarter with my chick driving.


Also look at this the sr20 is closely comparable in stock HP as first and second gen DSM's,And the VET is comparable with the new mivec 4g given there differences.

guitaraholic

I've often debated on putting a VE head on my SR in the future. I think what stops me is that the eventual goal is just go VQ, and make a ton of HP without any worry of lag. but that's not for a while.