One_love_silvia

According to Einstein, time is relative.
Now, I was thinking... What IS time? I believe time is the process of an object undergoing change. While it may not be an observable change, one can say that the molecules in an object, regardless of state, are constantly changing. However, if somehow the molecules stop moving and achieve the temperature of absolute zero (currently known to be impossible), does the object experience time? If not even the molecules are changing and nothing is causing a change in the object, is it aging?

For example, take a t.v. show. While you're watching events take place, time is changing in the world of that t.v. show, correct? Now pause the show. Time in the show stops right? Nothing is changing? Now this is of course obvious. But apply that to an object in real life, and you get what I was talking about previously. I believe this would be how you could more or less, stop time for a given object; by preventing any change taking place.

But how do you achieve this, if absolute zero is known to be currently impossible? As we have recently confirmed the existence of the Higgs Boson (the object which gives items their mass), is it not likely there is another object which causes gives the property of aging? Now, obviously we can't remove this molecule, as the object it belongs to would permanently cease to age or do anything for that matter. But what if there is a way to stop it for a given time frame, and achieve absolute zero? It would essentially be used for preserving things such as living organs for hospitals. OR people, if you would be so inclined to go through a cryogenic educed coma, and later wake up in a work completely different from the one you're from. (Think Futurama)
Not so much stopping time for an object, as much as skipping it.


Now technically this would be a way of time travel, as the person would be put to sleep, and then (in their view) wake up right away. Though it's not the conventional method used in sci-fi shows where you "teleport" to another time, or jump through a worm hole and you're magically in another time era.

Thoughts on my theory? If you can't make a positive contribution to the thread, don't post. Easy as that.

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BOROSUN

i grew up on the string theory idea in my head. which i got inspired from one of the motherfcking quantum leap episode.

basically, time is a string and to being able to manipulate it by making the string touch one end or ball itself.

i rather dwell on space travel these days, bending space to teleport to another section in space. goodbye air planes and mass transit!

cchondro

I see what you mean by being able to freeze an object from aging and in a sense that is time travel. But not really necessarily if you think about it. Your not literally pausing an objects time lapse but just "preserving" its current state until a later time.
Honestly when you talk about time you are entering a world of theory and creativity.

Like stated by BOROSUN,
I don't see time as a string but more like a road. Only difference is I don't believe there is just one road. I believe there can be several roads and to be able to jump time or "time travel" if you will you are not speeding up the travel on that road but simply finding a short cut or another road to travel on that gets you to your destination quicker. It may seem crazy but if you think about it enough it makes sense.

Here is an example.
Our earth completes a full rotation after 24 hours
Which means our earth rotates at the equator at appox. 1038 miles each hour but decreases when you move up or down from the equator. It becomes about 600-700mph at mid latitude because our earth is a circle. So the farther away you go from the center the slower the rotation is.
So does that mean it takes more actual time for the mid latitude area to complete a full rotation than the center of out earth.

Here is another example that may make more sense.

Im in Florida and its 6 o clock. In California its 3 o clock. But it only takes 1.5 hours to travel on a plain. In a sense thats jumping onto another road of time that passes faster than it does on earth. Because in a sense it should take 3 hours or more to get to California from Florida on earth but when you leave earths surface or time "road" you are traveling on a different time road in a sense.

Now in that theory if we were able to travel faster than we do now we should be able to "jump" time or in a sense time travel. But we are still aging so we are not necessarily paused or not aging but just in a way preserving our current state.
When we are on that flight we have only aged 1.5 hours compared to the 3 hours the earth has aged so if we were able to travel faster like lets say it takes us only 10 seconds to make that flight from fl. to cali. we haven't stopped aging but just in away preserved our time clock of aging over the earths in a sense.

So another question to ask is does our earth age at the same rate we do.

Its confusing but I hope that makes sense

Matej

In theory, it could be possible to travel to the future if you hang out on the outskirts of a black hole.
As for traveling to the past, that is a bit more complicated. Obviously no one has succeeded at it in the future so far, since they have not paid us a visit yet.

NOVA's The Fabric of the Cosmos was a very interesting series. Of course the concepts are simplified to help people grasp them, but it still provides some great information.
Here is the segment on time:

cchondro

But here is something that I find complicating to understand.
If we are traveling on a road we can always turn around and go back but that doesnt mean time goes in reverse it keeps moving forward.
So how can we actually time travel. We can speed up time but we can not throw it in reverse and gain time back. as far as we know.

So with that being said I think the reason we have not been "visited" from the future is because in a sense it has not happened yet. We in the present time have not reached that part of the road. So how are there people already in the future. Just like how can we travel to the people in the past.

thoughts?

OrangeVirus1

Time travel ( forward only ) is completely possible and proven. ( Higgs Boson )

All you have to do is Travel in any direction at 99.9999% the speed of light for a set amount of time.

let me explain what this show said, that proves this:

Imagine you are on a Train. The train is circling the earth for 1 month non stop traveling 99.99999999% the speed of light. You are at the back of the train. you do a Full sprint to the front of the train. Are you moving faster than the speed of light then? No. because Time slows down as you aproach the speed of light. They calculated that staying on this train for around 1 month, would equal around 100 years outside the train.

interesting stuff. Time travel is real, when going forward.

I don't think reverse travel will ever be possible, unless someone can figure out how atoms can reverse decay, molecules come back together etc..

Matej

If you have some free time (zing), the video I posted explains the big theories much better than I could, as they are a bit beyond me as well.
Obviously a lot of it is just that, theories, but it is still very interesting stuff.


Similar to the classic physics class riddle about what would happen if you drive at the speed of light, and turn on your headlights.

One_love_silvia

I think i was a little unclear on what i was explaining..

I'm not saying time literally stops. I'm saying the object doesn't experience time, therefore the perception of the object would be that time has stopped. of course this stopping of time wouldnt be possible for the object to observe. In essence, it would be the same as one person falling asleep, while another person sits next to that person for 8 hours straight. The person who is awake would observe 8 hours passing, while (given the person isn't dreaming) the person sleeping might not feel as if any time has passed. this doesn't work for me however, as i can sense time passing in my sleep lol

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OrangeVirus1

You should read up about the ( I believe ) russian scientists who were successful in reverse time travel. It was a really interesting read ( dunno where )

They first attempted with animals, then a person, set his watch on his wrist, and put him in this machine. It was made with some super high powered magnets, radioactive stuff, and some other sh**.

Anyway They put him in it and ran it, and he went Reverse in time something like 20 seconds, but then when they took him out he was dead and had all sorts of random wounds..

( also all the animals they tried it on died )

this was in the 40's or 50's I think

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cchondro

After watching that video its a little more clear on what the theories say.
Time is not a moving state at all.
Time to you can be different from my time and so on and so forth.
Just like I was saying in my previous post. Time on earth is different than time in the air and time in space and so on and so on.
In that you are able to so called "time travel" in the sense that you can speed up time. But how? After realizing that my theory and thought process on this matter is the same as the way Einstein thinks of it (which is really weird since ive never actually researched this just have thought about it on numerous occasions) it all makes sense.

Time like I said above is not moving.
Yes time can be measured but it cant be controlled.
Time is different for each person experiencing it.
Which is were space and time come into play. When you are standing still you are moving at earths time rate. 24 hours. But when you add space into play you are putting an opposing force into play, in that you a technically slowing your time down to accommodate for the change in space. Your time clock slows down while the earth remains at its pace ( since earth doesnt slow down, it is a constant).
With that being said you CAN travel in time forward, but since time is not moving alone how is that possible. Thats where spacetime comes into play
Space time is a 4 dimensional space. It hold all moments in time all in one space. You can hop to different places in completely different moments at any moment. From the start of the universe (im christian so if your not add you theory here) Where God put together the first second of time and in a sense got the ball rolling. You are then able to move forward as far as you want. Past, Present, Future all are real at the same moment. But from that point forward. Time naturally in our world moves forward, but in physics your equation can go forward and reverse. For instance 2 X 2 =4 you can reverse this problem by 4 / 2 =2. So why cant time go in reverse, we dont know and this is the problem no one can solve. We can not get time to go reverse. We can go backwards but time will always seem to move forward. But according to theory time does not move. So then we should be able to go back. Time is like a movie reel. Moments are depicted in each frame. Same with time. Its all alive Past, Present, Future but then once again why cant we go back. Well some scientists believe you can using a worm hole. You in theory should be able to jump back to where you began, but like said before why havent we seen some one pop into our time out of the blue. Which leads to the fact that its not possible yet. Or will it never be possible, we dont know.

What I believe is its impossible
From my christian beliefs feel free to disagree, I believe God made it that way on purpose.
If you mix God with Science which seems stupid but it works in my head. God has pre-determined out fates. Which is like spacetime, the future is already existing just like the present and past but we choose our direction and ways of getting to said pre-existing future. Now if we were able to go into the past we would be able to change the situations in the past which would then alter our present and future experiences that has been already been pre determined.
Its crazy to think about but mind boggling at the same time

OrangeVirus1

We can't travel back in time because we can't make atoms reverse there radioactive decay.

numbers are a man made thing. we can make them do anything we want. hell I am sure there is a possible way to make 2+2 = 3

Think about it this way, Lets say the Hydrogen molecules that were once apart of a Walking, living dinosaur, that dinosaur dies. over the years that hydrogen breaks up, becomes atoms, moves into a lake. lake dries up, hydrogen goes into the sky, rains down into the ocean and dries up 100,000x over, That same hydrogen atom gets sucked into your engine and burnt up upon combustion.


how the hell are you going to reverse that hydrogen back to that dinosaur. because if it wasn't the EXACT same atoms at the exact same atomic and molecular structure it is Not the same as it was before.

turbobrick

To the above post, hydrogen is an element and are atoms, not molecules. Well, there is molecular hydrogen, H2, but it can't bond to anything else and will be just hydrogen.


Anyway, the temperature of absolute zero is impossible. Also, there is something called the zero point energy, which basically is the lowest possible energy something can have. Because of that there will always be motion no matter how cold you get something.

OutlawLui

this is interesting to read

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I love this thread.

OrangeVirus1

you know what I meant Atoms, molecules etc..

paintkilz

only issue with the theory is youre regarding time as a factor. Theres plenty of science now that shows time is only a factor in this reality/dimension.


theres a lot of talk that einsteins theorys were not what they are claimed to be and leave a lot to be questioned regarding theoretical physics..especially getting into higher order phyics like string theory or most quantum fields...

paintkilz

have to add that the fabric of the cosmos series is legit. Brian Greene is in my top list of scientists...as well as Leonard Susskind...gota love a guy that proves Hawking wrong.

roboticnissan

I really like your theory. And that says a lot because you're from Florida and Christian

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Celli

As said previously, time travel back is a bit of a stretch. However, when looking out into space, the further you look, the longer ago it happened. Since the speed of light is slow (relative of the distance anything is from us). So we can kinda look at the past in "real-time" if that makes sense. Now teleporting. Or a "wormhole". My rational brain says that teleporting is impossible. My minds version of teleporting is basically old school willy wonka. The ability to break up the molecules of something and shoot them at near light speeds. The only reason I could ever imagine a wormhole is because of black holes. We know that time CAN be bent. For me though, it's difficult to grasp. Like infinite.

Another good point someone else made, if we discover time travel in the future, how come we don't know yet? Wouldn't someone obviously come back and let it leak?
To that, I think of a movie. I can't remember the name to save my life. But it was about people(during the time before time travel) kill those who misuse time travel in the future(as its illegal). Maybe time travel will exist one day. But because it can be so destructive, I would be led to believe that it will be outlawed or HEAVILY regulated.

Celli

I like this whole paragraph. But I'd like to focus on what I bolded. My personal belief on that is: god knows everything that has/will happen. BUT he didn't choose it. There's a fine line between fate and predetermination. I believe that we have a fate that we can not change. However, I dot believe god chose the fate, he just knows it.

Thoughts?

One_love_silvia

nothing is impossible my friend. at one point in time, it was impossible for man to travel to the moon. at one point in time, it was impossible for humans to fly, now we can. At one point in time, it was impossible that the earth was round.

I believe it was Thomas Edison who tried like 1000 ways to create a light bulb and failed. It didn't mean it was impossible, it just meant there was 1000 ways it wasn't possible. You have to discover the possible way to go about doing things.

TL;DR version: Nothing is impossible. It's just a matter of how you go about doing it, that makes it possible

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Celli

I love the optimism and all buuuuut... That's not really logical. There are plenty of things impossible. Is time travel? Idk. Absolute zero? Probably. Just like the speed of light. Theoretically, if mass were to reach the speed of light, it would lose all properties of mass and literally BECOME light. That would also be breaking newtons laws of physics "mass can neither be created nor destroyed" turning mass to light=mass destroyed.

See where I'm going?

OrangeVirus1

What about things already traveling faster than the speed of light and have been traveling faster than the speed of light since Infinity?

There are things that make the speed of light seem slow

what they are.. no freaking clue, but they exist.

We have no idea what happens when mass travels at the speed of light. no way to know if it dissapears, turns into photons, or makes the universe explode.

Celli

**facepalm**

The only thing that travels the speed of light IS light. And at the current moment, there is no known way for anything to go faster than the speed of light. It is the fastest anything can travel.

And no, light has no mass. And your right. Turning mass into light doesn't destroy it. Because its not possible. Mass can't turn into light. Therefore it can't go the speed of light.

OrangeVirus1

I edited my post Because after I typed it I knew I was wrong about Photons / Mass.


Do you have solid proof there is nothing in this universe that is currently moving faster than the speed of light? and what if this thing was moving faster at that speed since infinity and has been since before light ever came to being? You have to remember, that from those "theories" there was a time when light did not exist.

Theory =/= proof

Celli

Do I personally have proof? No. But scientists all the way back to atleast Einstein do. And honestly, anyone can play the "what if" game.

What if this is all a dream and you don't really exist?
What I dirt is actually healthy to eat?
What if air is actually pee?


See? A what if statement isn't enough to justify

OrangeVirus1

What if.. is science.

Celli

First off, did you read the whole article? Did you miss the part about the margin of error? The margin of error is 50%. Which means that(with the abnormally huge calculation) their calculations were most likely off.

That being said. To your "edit".

1. We have no way of knowing what happens to mass when it travels faster than light simply because It CANT.
2. If it made the universe explode, then it's obviously not possible or we wouldn't be here.
3. Your link is from 2007. Here is one from 2012. Enjoy.
Once Again, Physicists Debunk Faster-Than-Light Neutrinos - ScienceInsider

Celli

Oh, did you decide to edit out your false proven link?