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*HaLo* · 02-01-2005, 08:46 PM

Finally ordered them, and received them.

The roll cage is in, the battery is getting relocated and the Tanabe sway bars will get installed shortly. Everything is going as planned.

s13irdie2 · 02-01-2005, 08:55 PM

put it on and tell us how it feels!! im getting the same ones next week. btw, what roll cage are you putting in? custom? and is it welded on the chassis or just bolted on. keep us updated!

nlzmo400r · 02-01-2005, 09:10 PM

What size are those sways? Are they adjustable?

*HaLo* · 02-01-2005, 09:17 PM

Size: 30.4mm front, 22mm rear. They are not adjustable.

Even if I put them on now, I won't be driving the car before April, there's still some snow outside..

As for the roll cage, I installed an autopower 6pt bolt-in cage.

s13irdie2 · 02-01-2005, 09:18 PM

icic. forgot that you were in canada. doh!

slivia-junkie · 02-01-2005, 10:24 PM

i have the rear sway bar it feels real nice you will like it

s13irdie2 · 02-01-2005, 10:28 PM

does it help with the understeer at all?

thx247 · 02-01-2005, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s13irdie2

does it help with the understeer at all?

just get a larger rear bar or disconnect your front bar and that will answer your question.

Dousan_PG · 02-01-2005, 11:11 PM

hot tanabe sways rule!!
i like alot of the tanabe stuff

got my tanabe DDs here now too, going on this week
let us know how it goes buddy!!!

*HaLo* · 02-01-2005, 11:45 PM

Turns out my Tanabe came out less expensive than the Whitelines.

I am pretty happy about it. Can't wait to install them and test them on a race course.

Dousan_PG · 02-01-2005, 11:47 PM

yep thats why i got mine
SO CHEAP its nuts
and they rule
feel great. love them. you will too!

*HaLo* · 02-01-2005, 11:49 PM

What did you do for the endlinks? I got some energy suspension bushings for the moment. Will that turn out "ok" or solid endlinks are a must?

Dousan_PG · 02-01-2005, 11:54 PM

i had some newer ones from when i swapped shells, just some generic auto parts store one, dirt cheap.

solid endlinks would be nice but damn, ive lived over 2.5 years w/o them, so im not really thinking ll miss them

damn coilovers so stiff i dont feel like spending the extra money on such item. the bushings are in good shape, so no worries, imo.

id rather use that money for adj FLCAs haha

*HaLo* · 02-01-2005, 11:57 PM

That's real good to know. I wasn't planning on spending money on solid endlinks either. Got more work to do to the car before... I need to dyno tune it, get my custom alignment done, replace some bushings... This car is a money pit.

BTW, I still have your Apex-i Multichecker and it still works great. I love it.

Dousan_PG · 02-02-2005, 12:00 AM

always is. haha i hate my car. its a POS
but soon to be mega badass...at least thats what i kep telling myself

haha

glad the multichecker is still tip top!!!

get adj arms! they rule, biggest differece you could do next to coilovers and sways..then again there isnt much else left, but im not sure what the auto-x limitations are

*HaLo* · 02-02-2005, 12:02 AM

Both front and rear arms? I was planning on the rear before the front... but not that soon!

And in SM, there isn't a lot of limits to the mods I am allowed to do.

But then again, I am running iffy D2 coilovers (I know you hate them.

)

Dousan_PG · 02-02-2005, 12:05 AM

rears the usual 3 is best imo
i lovve toe links and rucas the best, espeically the toe links what a differnce!

i just like giving people crap haha..coilovesr are coilovesr if they work, use them, better then shock/spring combo that sucks!

*HaLo* · 02-02-2005, 12:08 AM

The problem with Hicas, Aaron, is that I can't do all three unless I change the rear subframe. The aftermarket toe links are incompatible, I dunno about the traction rods, but the RUCAs are compatible.

Now, I'll let you in a secret... I might be ditching my Hicas one day for weight purposes and adjustment possibilities, even though I like having HICAS on my car.

D2 coilovers aren't great... But they are way better than my AGX / Ground Control combo I had before. If I buy another set of coilovers, I might be looking at Tein RAs.

hurleyboi514 · 02-02-2005, 05:35 AM

very nice... ive got quite a bit happening this week too. im getting my aero painted (same lip, but this one is real bomex and changed skirts from the bomex to stock though b/c of class rule changes). im gonna run the same wing for now, i may go to a kouki though. also, ive got a 13 lb dry cell coming in tomorrow, ive been meaning to do that for quite some time. my battery is giving up the ghost after 3 years of abuse, haha! then, ive got to install the rest of my bushings. ive got them in the upper control arms, i just need to install them in the lower control arms and the rear uprights. i probably wont get to that until later this month. when i do that, id like to change my sway bar bushings to spherical units (class legal!

). after that, i should be set for awhile. if i dont like that set up, ive got a set of 8k springs in reserve, so i may switch to an 8/7 set up when Mike gets the revised D2 shocks. mine are holding up great, but it never hurts to have spare dampers!!

nlzmo400r · 02-02-2005, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaLo

The problem with Hicas, Aaron, is that I can't do all three unless I change the rear subframe. The aftermarket toe links are incompatible, I dunno about the traction rods, but the RUCAs are compatible.

Now, I'll let you in a secret... I might be ditching my Hicas one day for weight purposes and adjustment possibilities, even though I like having HICAS on my car.

D2 coilovers aren't great... But they are way better than my AGX / Ground Control combo I had before. If I buy another set of coilovers, I might be looking at Tein RAs.

What are the pro's about having the hicas on your car? Does it help at all in the autoX's? Also, what dont you like about your d2 coilovers. Just curious as you're wanting to get different ones.

North240 · 02-02-2005, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaLo

D2 coilovers aren't great... But they are way better than my AGX / Ground Control combo I had before. If I buy another set of coilovers, I might be looking at Tein RAs.

Now i am no Coilover expert, but i thought i would toss in my $.02 the way you hammer on your car i wouldnt pick up the Tein's, their twin-tube design has been prone to blowouts and their dampening isn't linear for the most part. I would look into something different for the money. Unless that wink meant sarcasm and i completely missed it?

98sr20ve · 02-02-2005, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by North240

Now i am no Coilover expert, but i thought i would toss in my $.02 the way you hammer on your car i wouldnt pick up the Tein's, their twin-tube design has been prone to blowouts and their dampening isn't linear for the most part. I would look into something different for the money. Unless that wink meant sarcasm and i completely missed it?

Tein RA's are monotube. Also, very stiff. I do not know if the wink meant he was kidding or not.

I am very interested in the bars and your thoughts on the balance with your setup. I may get a Tanabe for one end and the whiteline for the other just to have some level of easy adjustment. IIRC that front bar is the thickest you can get. I know progress just came out with a set as well but I don't know the specs at this time.

*HaLo* · 02-02-2005, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hurleyboi514

if i dont like that set up, ive got a set of 8k springs in reserve, so i may switch to an 8/7 set up when Mike gets the revised D2 shocks. mine are holding up great, but it never hurts to have spare dampers!!

I ws planning to switch to 9/7 right now. My coilovers were a little bit noisy, but not that much. I wonder how we can apply for that recall.

*HaLo* · 02-02-2005, 08:06 AM

Concerning the coilovers, I was not kidding. You wouldn't believe how other coilovers tested independently on a shock dyno. I would never touch JIC, would never go back to a "cheap" homemade production (D2, KTS, Megan, SPL, etc..). The only proven coilover to me is Tein. And the RAs is the stiffest there, so it's the most interesting to me.

As for the balance... I made some calculations compared to my HICAS sway bars:
Tanabe front is 377% stiffer.
Tanabe rear is 141% stiffer.
Stock balance is 1.37:1 (front:rear)
Tanabe balance is 3.65:1 (front:rear)

You make your own judgements.

North240 · 02-02-2005, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaLo

Concerning the coilovers, I was not kidding. You wouldn't believe how other coilovers tested independently on a shock dyno. I would never touch JIC, would never go back to a "cheap" homemade production (D2, KTS, Megan, SPL, etc..). The only proven coilover to me is Tein. And the RAs is the stiffest there, so it's the most interesting to me.

I seem to recall Tein not testing well on the shock dyno either, i agree JIC sux, but i truely believe you will kill those teins. I have a good impression of the KTS' so far but further testing needs to be done. I still think that for the money there are better options. But thats OT, back on topic nice sways, let us know what driving impressions are when you run them this spring. I know the drill for winter i live in Maine.

*sykikchimp* · 02-02-2005, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaLo

Concerning the coilovers, I was not kidding. You wouldn't believe how other coilovers tested independently on a shock dyno. I would never touch JIC, would never go back to a "cheap" homemade production (D2, KTS, Megan, SPL, etc..). The only proven coilover to me is Tein. And the RAs is the stiffest there, so it's the most interesting to me.

As for the balance... I made some calculations compared to my HICAS sway bars:
Tanabe front is 377% stiffer.
Tanabe rear is 141% stiffer.
Stock balance is 1.37:1 (front:rear)
Tanabe balance is 3.65:1 (front:rear)

You make your own judgements.

You don't think that'll make the car push like a pig?

also, are the endlinks length adjustable? (think preload..) If not, you'll need adjustable length links to properly corner weight the car.

Hooray for Christmas!!1

*HaLo* · 02-02-2005, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sykikchimp

You don't think that'll make the car push like a pig?

also, are the endlinks length adjustable? (think preload..) If not, you'll need adjustable length links to properly corner weight the car.

Hooray for Christmas!!1

I had some miscalculations, sorry, here is the corrected info:

As for the balance... I made some calculations compared to my HICAS sway bars:
Tanabe front is 321% stiffer.
Tanabe rear is 141% stiffer.
Stock (Hicas) balance is 1.61:1 (front:rear)
Tanabe balance is 3.65:1 (front:rear)

To a normal 240sx (15mm rear sway bar):
Tanabe front is 321% stiffer.
Tanabe rear is 486% stiffer.
Stock (Non-Hicas) balance is 5.52:1 (front:rear)
Tanabe balance is 3.65:1 (front:rear)

Basically, compared to stock, the car will oversteer more. Compared to hicas, the car will understeer more.

Tanabe sway bars use the stock endlinks... (non-adjustable ones)

nlzmo400r · 02-02-2005, 12:13 PM

i'll just wait till you actually drive on them to hear your review. If i had crap loads of money to do coilovers again, id probably get something like Aragosta's. I looked at the Tein RA's, but they're just kinda pricey. Oh, and i had NO idea the hicas bars were that much thicker than factory non hicas ones. It seems like itd be better for you to just use the rear bar, and keep your factory front.

*HaLo* · 02-02-2005, 12:28 PM

I think I can still correct this with damping and negative camber. Going for -3 in front, -1.5 in rear.

chuy · 02-02-2005, 07:23 PM

I got the Tanabes too Im trying to find somewhere else that has solid endlinks other then SPL. $375 ish is about what I paid for the swaybars in the first place

02-01-2005, 08:46 PM	#1
HaLo from Canada, eh! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Montreal, Quebec Age: 42 Posts: 5,199 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: HaLo Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I got my sway bars. Finally ordered them, and received them. The roll cage is in, the battery is getting relocated and the Tanabe sway bars will get installed shortly. Everything is going as planned. __________________ -> HaLo Race Car: '98 E36 BMW M3 Daily Driver: '08 Fiji Blue Honda Civic Si SOLD: 01 GPW Honda S2000 PARTED: 93 Pearl White 240SX LE Fastback w/SR20DET SOLD: 93 Super White 240SX SE Convertible w/Silvia Front

02-01-2005, 08:55 PM	#2
s13irdie2 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: southern cali Age: 34 Posts: 508 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	put it on and tell us how it feels!! im getting the same ones next week. btw, what roll cage are you putting in? custom? and is it welded on the chassis or just bolted on. keep us updated! __________________ 1990 s13 IslandMotorsports, Inc.

02-01-2005, 09:10 PM	#3
nlzmo400r Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: louisiana Posts: 1,248 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	What size are those sways? Are they adjustable? __________________ 'my drinking team has a racing problem' [email protected]5mph - gt32 .6bar

02-01-2005, 09:17 PM	#4
HaLo from Canada, eh! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Montreal, Quebec Age: 42 Posts: 5,199 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: HaLo Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Size: 30.4mm front, 22mm rear. They are not adjustable. Even if I put them on now, I won't be driving the car before April, there's still some snow outside.. As for the roll cage, I installed an autopower 6pt bolt-in cage. __________________ -> HaLo Race Car: '98 E36 BMW M3 Daily Driver: '08 Fiji Blue Honda Civic Si SOLD: 01 GPW Honda S2000 PARTED: 93 Pearl White 240SX LE Fastback w/SR20DET SOLD: 93 Super White 240SX SE Convertible w/Silvia Front

02-01-2005, 09:18 PM	#5
s13irdie2 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: southern cali Age: 34 Posts: 508 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	icic. forgot that you were in canada. doh! __________________ 1990 s13 IslandMotorsports, Inc.

02-01-2005, 10:24 PM	#6
slivia-junkie Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: if you could tell me i would be most greatfull Posts: 87 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i have the rear sway bar it feels real nice you will like it

02-01-2005, 10:28 PM	#7
s13irdie2 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: southern cali Age: 34 Posts: 508 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	does it help with the understeer at all? __________________ 1990 s13 IslandMotorsports, Inc.

02-01-2005, 11:11 PM	#9
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 42 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	hot tanabe sways rule!! i like alot of the tanabe stuff got my tanabe DDs here now too, going on this week let us know how it goes buddy!!! __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

02-01-2005, 11:45 PM	#10
HaLo from Canada, eh! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Montreal, Quebec Age: 42 Posts: 5,199 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: HaLo Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Turns out my Tanabe came out less expensive than the Whitelines. I am pretty happy about it. Can't wait to install them and test them on a race course. __________________ -> HaLo Race Car: '98 E36 BMW M3 Daily Driver: '08 Fiji Blue Honda Civic Si SOLD: 01 GPW Honda S2000 PARTED: 93 Pearl White 240SX LE Fastback w/SR20DET SOLD: 93 Super White 240SX SE Convertible w/Silvia Front

02-01-2005, 11:47 PM	#11
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 42 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	yep thats why i got mine SO CHEAP its nuts and they rule feel great. love them. you will too! __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

02-01-2005, 11:49 PM	#12
HaLo from Canada, eh! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Montreal, Quebec Age: 42 Posts: 5,199 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: HaLo Feedback Score: 0 reviews	What did you do for the endlinks? I got some energy suspension bushings for the moment. Will that turn out "ok" or solid endlinks are a must? __________________ -> HaLo Race Car: '98 E36 BMW M3 Daily Driver: '08 Fiji Blue Honda Civic Si SOLD: 01 GPW Honda S2000 PARTED: 93 Pearl White 240SX LE Fastback w/SR20DET SOLD: 93 Super White 240SX SE Convertible w/Silvia Front

02-01-2005, 11:54 PM	#13
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 42 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	i had some newer ones from when i swapped shells, just some generic auto parts store one, dirt cheap. solid endlinks would be nice but damn, ive lived over 2.5 years w/o them, so im not really thinking ll miss them damn coilovers so stiff i dont feel like spending the extra money on such item. the bushings are in good shape, so no worries, imo. id rather use that money for adj FLCAs haha __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

02-01-2005, 11:57 PM	#14
HaLo from Canada, eh! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Montreal, Quebec Age: 42 Posts: 5,199 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: HaLo Feedback Score: 0 reviews	That's real good to know. I wasn't planning on spending money on solid endlinks either. Got more work to do to the car before... I need to dyno tune it, get my custom alignment done, replace some bushings... This car is a money pit. BTW, I still have your Apex-i Multichecker and it still works great. I love it. __________________ -> HaLo Race Car: '98 E36 BMW M3 Daily Driver: '08 Fiji Blue Honda Civic Si SOLD: 01 GPW Honda S2000 PARTED: 93 Pearl White 240SX LE Fastback w/SR20DET SOLD: 93 Super White 240SX SE Convertible w/Silvia Front

02-02-2005, 12:00 AM	#15
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 42 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	always is. haha i hate my car. its a POS but soon to be mega badass...at least thats what i kep telling myself haha glad the multichecker is still tip top!!! get adj arms! they rule, biggest differece you could do next to coilovers and sways..then again there isnt much else left, but im not sure what the auto-x limitations are __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

02-02-2005, 12:02 AM	#16
HaLo from Canada, eh! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Montreal, Quebec Age: 42 Posts: 5,199 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: HaLo Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Both front and rear arms? I was planning on the rear before the front... but not that soon! And in SM, there isn't a lot of limits to the mods I am allowed to do. But then again, I am running iffy D2 coilovers (I know you hate them. ) __________________ -> HaLo Race Car: '98 E36 BMW M3 Daily Driver: '08 Fiji Blue Honda Civic Si SOLD: 01 GPW Honda S2000 PARTED: 93 Pearl White 240SX LE Fastback w/SR20DET SOLD: 93 Super White 240SX SE Convertible w/Silvia Front

02-02-2005, 12:05 AM	#17
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 42 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	rears the usual 3 is best imo i lovve toe links and rucas the best, espeically the toe links what a differnce! i just like giving people crap haha..coilovesr are coilovesr if they work, use them, better then shock/spring combo that sucks! __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

02-02-2005, 12:08 AM	#18
HaLo from Canada, eh! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Montreal, Quebec Age: 42 Posts: 5,199 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: HaLo Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The problem with Hicas, Aaron, is that I can't do all three unless I change the rear subframe. The aftermarket toe links are incompatible, I dunno about the traction rods, but the RUCAs are compatible. Now, I'll let you in a secret... I might be ditching my Hicas one day for weight purposes and adjustment possibilities, even though I like having HICAS on my car. D2 coilovers aren't great... But they are way better than my AGX / Ground Control combo I had before. If I buy another set of coilovers, I might be looking at Tein RAs. __________________ -> HaLo Race Car: '98 E36 BMW M3 Daily Driver: '08 Fiji Blue Honda Civic Si SOLD: 01 GPW Honda S2000 PARTED: 93 Pearl White 240SX LE Fastback w/SR20DET SOLD: 93 Super White 240SX SE Convertible w/Silvia Front

02-02-2005, 05:35 AM	#19
hurleyboi514 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Fort Posts: 905 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	very nice... ive got quite a bit happening this week too. im getting my aero painted (same lip, but this one is real bomex and changed skirts from the bomex to stock though b/c of class rule changes). im gonna run the same wing for now, i may go to a kouki though. also, ive got a 13 lb dry cell coming in tomorrow, ive been meaning to do that for quite some time. my battery is giving up the ghost after 3 years of abuse, haha! then, ive got to install the rest of my bushings. ive got them in the upper control arms, i just need to install them in the lower control arms and the rear uprights. i probably wont get to that until later this month. when i do that, id like to change my sway bar bushings to spherical units (class legal! ). after that, i should be set for awhile. if i dont like that set up, ive got a set of 8k springs in reserve, so i may switch to an 8/7 set up when Mike gets the revised D2 shocks. mine are holding up great, but it never hurts to have spare dampers!! __________________ HighTach Motorsports

02-02-2005, 08:06 AM	#24
HaLo from Canada, eh! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Montreal, Quebec Age: 42 Posts: 5,199 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: HaLo Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Concerning the coilovers, I was not kidding. You wouldn't believe how other coilovers tested independently on a shock dyno. I would never touch JIC, would never go back to a "cheap" homemade production (D2, KTS, Megan, SPL, etc..). The only proven coilover to me is Tein. And the RAs is the stiffest there, so it's the most interesting to me. As for the balance... I made some calculations compared to my HICAS sway bars: Tanabe front is 377% stiffer. Tanabe rear is 141% stiffer. Stock balance is 1.37:1 (front:rear) Tanabe balance is 3.65:1 (front:rear) You make your own judgements. __________________ -> HaLo Race Car: '98 E36 BMW M3 Daily Driver: '08 Fiji Blue Honda Civic Si SOLD: 01 GPW Honda S2000 PARTED: 93 Pearl White 240SX LE Fastback w/SR20DET SOLD: 93 Super White 240SX SE Convertible w/Silvia Front

02-02-2005, 12:13 PM	#28
nlzmo400r Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: louisiana Posts: 1,248 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i'll just wait till you actually drive on them to hear your review. If i had crap loads of money to do coilovers again, id probably get something like Aragosta's. I looked at the Tein RA's, but they're just kinda pricey. Oh, and i had NO idea the hicas bars were that much thicker than factory non hicas ones. It seems like itd be better for you to just use the rear bar, and keep your factory front. __________________ 'my drinking team has a racing problem' [email protected] - gt32 .6bar

02-02-2005, 12:28 PM	#29
HaLo from Canada, eh! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Montreal, Quebec Age: 42 Posts: 5,199 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: HaLo Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I think I can still correct this with damping and negative camber. Going for -3 in front, -1.5 in rear. __________________ -> HaLo Race Car: '98 E36 BMW M3 Daily Driver: '08 Fiji Blue Honda Civic Si SOLD: 01 GPW Honda S2000 PARTED: 93 Pearl White 240SX LE Fastback w/SR20DET SOLD: 93 Super White 240SX SE Convertible w/Silvia Front

02-02-2005, 07:23 PM	#30
chuy Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Colorado some where Age: 44 Posts: 623 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	I got the Tanabes too Im trying to find somewhere else that has solid endlinks other then SPL. $375 ish is about what I paid for the swaybars in the first place __________________ Slide Happy

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