revcyanide

The first thing you should understand about the word "narcotic" is that it is used incorrectly more than it is used correctly. One good, quick way to tell whether someone actually knows anything about this subject is to listen to their use of this word. If they tell you that marijuana, cocaine, and meth are "narcotics" then count them among the vast legions of totally clueless people on this subject.

The word "narcotic" comes from the Greek word "narkos", meaning sleep. Therefore, "narcotics" are drugs that induce sleep. Specifically, that means the opiates such as heroin, morphine and related drugs. This is the correct meaning, so you should accept no other.

Cocaine and meth are not "narcotics". They are "stimulants", the exact opposite of a "narcotic". They cause people to be more awake and more active, not sleepy. Calling them :"narcotics" makes as much sense as calling coffee a "narcotic".

The classification of other drugs such as marijuana, alcohol, and others is open to question. Some might call them "tranquilizers", "depressants", or even "hallucinogens". Marijuana and alcohol may even have a tendency to induce sleep at times. However, calling them "narcotics" simply shows a lack of understanding of the different effects.

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raz0rbladez909

That's a pretty dumb statement to make, might as well make alcohol illegal again because it causes adverse effects and causes people to make dumb decisions. Junkies will try to get high off anything they can get their hands on, are you going to make whiteout/permanent markers, spray paint, freon, household cleaning supplies and random other shit people use to get their fix illegal? Alcohol in itself is considered a legal narcotic and has been proven to cause kidney/liver disease, many DUI accidents, addiction and other ill effects yet alcohol is still legal. Those are the same excuses they are using for keeping a plant illegal. While I don't condone it's use or have any reason to use it I don't understand why our tax dollars are being used to imprison people in possession of it. It is an absolute waste of time/money/resources, yet when people come up with legitimate arguments of why it's a pointless thing to be made illegal people like you come up with the most simple minded responses in return.

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revcyanide

better not forget about aspirin, cold medicine, caffeine, whipped cream (industrial kind)

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Chaluska

can they be dried, rolled up, smoked, and provide relaxation?

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Matej

If you feel the need to use substances (what is worse an illegal one) to relax, then you should most likely address the issues that are causing you to not be relaxed in the first place, instead of just trying to escape from them temporarily like a child.

I also find it hypocritical when people say they do not really need weed, yet they still smoke it, thus willing to take the legal risks that go with it. Whether it is rightfully illegal is another issue, but if I really did not need to do something, especially if that something was illegal, then I most likely would just not do it.

My biggest gripe with marijuana is that out of all substances, it is probably the most annoying to bystanders who do not care for it.
For example, I know someone who had to resort to moving out of her apartment, due to inconsiderate marijuana users living below her. She had to breathe the foul odor, her clothes reeked of it, and she even got in trouble at work for coming in smelling of it.

It is not my concern whether it is good or bad for you, for all I care you can drink bleach, as long as I do not have to smell it or come in contact with you when you are under the influence of it. I guess I would not mind marijuana being legalized as long as the government required all users to vacuum seal their homes or only smoke it in designated areas.

raz0rbladez909

I agree with everything you've said, but honestly the same can also be applied to cigarettes/cigars, with people being inconsiderate in their use of it as well. I can't stand the smell of people smoking weed, nor can I stand the smell of cigarette smoke either, yet people are allowed to smoke cigarettes in quite a bit of places or have designated smoking areas.

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VROOOM

i get kidney stones quite often. im prescribed Vicodin, lots of Vicodin. i would much rather smoke weed than take the Vicodin. it fucks up my stomach, is horrible for your liver, makes it so i cant shit and basically makes me go through the day in haze. i dont see why i cant smoke a joint instead of taking some serious pain meds.

technically its still illegal in CA.

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JVD

DO NOT allow the legalization of marijuana... BECAUSE IT SMELLS BAD.

BustedS13

you do realize that all of those people wouldn't be in jail if it was FUCKING LEGALIZED, right?

either legalize weed or outlaw tobacco. i'm tired of ignoring blatant hypocrisy.

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Farzam

I agree...marijuana smokers are typically proud and talkative...but in my opinion, alcohol is worse. Bleh. Typically in my experience people who are drunk are louder, sloppier, messier, pee everywhere, etc. People on weed smell bad, don't make sense, and listen to the tv too loud...but at least they're just sitting around ordering take out instead of driving to get 2am cheesy 5 layer burritos

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Walperstyle

^yeah, the stoners you know. I've been out many a time with friends when they were stoned. They drove to fast food places.

Where are you going with this? you trying to see if I say 'the same with murder, rape, theft, etc.

Stop being a paranoid angry stoner.

I do agree with tobacco being removed. Lost my old man in 09 from it. Sure, lets get on that.

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raz0rbladez909

I honestly don't think busted is being a "paranoid angry stoner" as much as he just seems tired of the bullshit of a plant being used to put people in jail. Lets say one day someone in the government determines sunflowers are illegal, and you love sunflower seeds, are you going to all of a sudden just stop eating sunflower seeds because some nutjob determines what is and isn't good for you? It realistically just doesn't make any sense, granted there are other things more worth fighting in the system but at least its a start. The less the government has say in what I do the happier I'll be in the end and you should be too, I don't need someone else telling me what I can and can't do as long as it is within the boundaries of human decency.

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revcyanide

The difference is, in fucking Canada, their laws for marijuana are laughable.
so it's no wonder you don't see what the issue is, if i recall right growers can get a 5000 dollar fine. not 25 years in prison.

And i don't know whats worse, them driving while high, or you going with them and being ok with it. Or at the very least not stopping them.


Honestly IMO if you don't live in the states, your opinions on our discussions about any sort of US policy is completely invalid, you do not experience it, it being legal or illegal does not affect you in the slightest. get off your fucking high horse and go bitch about the long lines at hospitals or something.


I grew up in a border town, drugs are huge esp marijuana.
Marijuana dealers get more time then child molestors.




Let me tell you a story, someone very very close to me was molested multiple times as a child, they found pornography made by the perpetrator of at least 40+ young girls (ages 6-10).
He was indited and evaded arrest for 5 years. He plead guilty, he is out in 8 years on good behavior.

Someone who sells marijuana and is caught with over a pound + paraphernalia and intent to distribute. no other drugs at all, just weed.
min 15 years, usually 20.



How fucking backwards is that.


I don't care if what they are doing is illegal or not, that to me is saying marijuana dealers are worse to society than child molesters.

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Chaluska

If you are the type of person who doesn't like using stimulants, for whatever reason, that's perfectly fine. i know of a couple of friends who are TOTALLY against any form of externally focused stimulation; whether it be alcohol, smoking, premarital sex, even cursing. that's their belief, and i do not try to enforce my beliefs on them.

there is a difference between using anything as a RECREATIONAL substance for fun, and using it HABITUALLY. but the same can be said about ANY form of substance.. sex, masturbation, alcohol, cigarettes, TV, video games, forum browsing, drinking soda, fast food, coffee, redbull. you pick and choose your poisons and you have to be responsible for how much of that poison you use.


So based on a smell we should outlaw stuff? i would be totally down for that.. all the Asian markets that reek of rotting fish in the middle of a suburb, we can make that illegal. 25 years in prison for owning a stinky fish mart.

the legalization of marijuana would ultimately get rid of the smell.. every pot smoker i know would prefer to take it as a THC pill, or a THC infused brownie, candy bar, or lolly pop. they are making great advancements to it in California, where people can experiment and test with THC extraction. if they had the backing of the FDA, and were legal to experiment and test, it ultimately would lead to marijuana being an edible consumed item, instead of smoked.

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also, you cannot possibly argue that if the government were to legalize, and tax marijuana, that it would be an economic boost from hell, like removing the t25 turbo that the economy is running on, and slapping twin t3/t4's with no waste-gate (nice car reference).. in taxes alone the government would be making hundreds of millions of dollars a year. American citizens are already spending that money on drug lords, black markets, drug runners, and others, to get their supply. if you could walk into a 7-11/citgo/shell/valero (what have you), buy a 12 pack of THC suckers for $30 and be on with your LEGAL marry way, the governemnt would make there $25 in taxes, and the user would get there supply, legally, without risking being shot, robbed, raped, or a combination of the 3. everyone wins.

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JVD

I couldn't agreed with you more, man. I quoted Matej because I thought his arguments were laughable.

I also tend to ignore everything Walperstyle ever says. He's pretty much the polar opposite person of me.

badbob2121

this made me laugh

and i fixed it for you

but honestly there are some great arguments in this thread, but they are all worthless unless you all take action.

write your US Senators and Representatives, there are many websites related to these laws that provide direct links to these political member's emails..

So do it

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lok

When will they get this stuff on par with grown marijuana?

Breaking Bad Meets Weeds: The Weird History of Synthetic Cannabis

We already made better diamonds than mother nature.

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revcyanide

I wholehearted agree with that article.

that shit has no long term studies, has been proven to cause physical dependencies, and have not have the anti psychoactive characteristics that marijuana has.

Basically, THC can cause you brain to do a lot of fucked up shit, on par with people with schizophrenia, HOWEVER marijuana has things in it that counteract that, the reason people don't go ape shit off marijuana.

these synthetic blends have none of that, and can do horrible things to you, there are lots of "stories" of things that people have done on this stuff and done horrible things while intoxicated. I am sure news articles on some of them are available somewhere.

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grandma's koukis

I didn't read the whole thread, so excuse me if it's been said before.

I see a lot of people saying " oh well cigs and booze are legal so pot should be too!"

We shouldn't be trying to add more to the list, we should be trying to reduce it.

The thought of millions of little pre teen stoners running around because it's legalized scares the crap out of me.

badbob2121

i hope it would, because that has nothing to do with this debate

maybe you should read the whole thread before commenting on this debate

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BustedS13

yeah, because tobacco and alcohol are legal for preteens too, right? and nobody in high school smokes pot right now because it's illegal, right?

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Walperstyle

angry stoner is angry, thus bring up anything from left field to support agrument

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murda-c

The government knows what's good for you.

Iunno why they havent outlawed cheeseburgers and pizza yet.

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