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bbejj123 · 08-31-2008, 03:05 PM

I am not sure on where to start this top so please move to whereever u feel it should be placed...

Ok ive been doing some research and i searched for a carb legal setup and found some but they are quite far. I was wondering if anyone knew a place AROUND the 818 area code where i could get a legal ls1 swap for a fair price and great quality.

racepar1 · 08-31-2008, 03:36 PM

These questions need to be asked here: http://zilvia.net/f/engine-tech/1056...240sx-faq.html and in the regional section. I highly doubt you will be able to find a shop that will do what you want. You will either have to do it yourself of get ready to spend some big bucks.

krisdeezy · 08-31-2008, 03:43 PM

shouldn't they be legal anyway? considering the engine is newer than the car and the engine is USDM ?! 0_o

ZX88 · 08-31-2008, 03:44 PM

im pretty sure the engine has to be from the same make/ maybe model?

PXRdriFT · 08-31-2008, 04:16 PM

its legal, you just have to ensure the emissions equipment is installed.

mmdb · 08-31-2008, 04:27 PM

do some research on the rx7 forums. They've been able to swap that engine in and get it ref'd. Good luck!

g6civcx · 08-31-2008, 04:35 PM

There is so much fail in this thread. If you don't know how to get a motor swap through CARB or EPA, you need not speak.

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Originally Posted by bbejj123

I was wondering if anyone knew a place AROUND the 818 area code where i could get a legal ls1 swap for a fair price and great quality.

Asked and answered. See above for suggestions.

If you want to ask how to do a CARB-compliant swap then you need to ask. Otherwise all questions have been answered.

qwikspool · 08-31-2008, 04:38 PM

i dont know about 818 area.
try manjiparts.com

WoolyS14DET · 08-31-2008, 04:51 PM

the motor has to be a nissan motor and from that car or newer in order to be a "legal Swap" If I'm not mistaken !!

g6civcx · 08-31-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by WoolyS14DET

the motor has to be a nissan motor and from that car or newer in order to be a "legal Swap" If I'm not mistaken !!

How can we mistake you?

The first half of your statement is wrong.

WoolyS14DET · 08-31-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by g6civcx

How can we mistake you?

The first half of your statement is wrong.

I talking about the state of california !!!

g6civcx · 08-31-2008, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by WoolyS14DET

I talking about the state of california !!!

I b talkin bout cali 2

WoolyS14DET · 08-31-2008, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by g6civcx

I b talkin bout cali 2

So your telling me that the california smog laws have changed ?

g6civcx · 08-31-2008, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by WoolyS14DET

So your telling me that the california smog laws have changed ?

No, this part of the CA law has not changed.

WoolyS14DET · 08-31-2008, 05:26 PM

So then it would be considered a "kit car" ???

g6civcx · 08-31-2008, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by WoolyS14DET

So then it would be considered a "kit car" ???

I am not familiar with this aspect of the law.

But with respect to the same make requirement, I cannot prove that this requirement does not exist. If it's not in the law, what can we do? We have to read the entire book to find that it's not in there.

But you can prove that this requirement is true by posting this law. If it's true, you should have no problem finding this section of the law.

Therefore, the burden of proof is on you.

Mikey88 · 08-31-2008, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PXRdriFT

its legal, you just have to ensure the emissions equipment is installed.

i believe it. youve done enough swaps already frankie to know wats up. wat like 3 or 4 or wat not haha.

racepar1 · 08-31-2008, 07:07 PM

Wow, so much fail here. If you are not 100% sure on what the laws are then why the hell are you posting here? Your opinion of what the laws say is irrelevant here. The OP needs to do his own damn research on what the smog laws will allow. As far as I know as long as the engine is the year of the car or newer, all the smog equipment is hooked up and functioning, whatever OBD system the motor came with is functioning, and everything behind the MAF or in front of the cats is either OEM or carb approved for the engine then you should be good to go. That is only my opinion though and if the OP really wants to do it he needs to do the research himself.

projekt_s13 · 08-31-2008, 07:09 PM

How are you gonna get it carb'ed if the stations are closed until further notice?

State of California, Dept. of Consumer Affairs, Bureau of Automotive Repair

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Suspension of Referee And CAP Services

Per the Governor's Executive Order issued on July 31, 2008 concerning the state budget, Referee and Consumer Assistance Program (CAP) Repair Assistance, and Vehicle Retirement services have been suspended until further notice. We apologize for any inconvenience. Consumers may call the Department of Consumer Affairs, Consumer Information Center at (800) 952-5210. Also, please check our web site periodically to confirm when both Referee and CAP services will resume. SuspensiÃ³n de Servicios del Ãrbitro y CAP

Por la orden ejecutiva del gobernador publicado Julio 31, 2008, con respecto al presupuesto del estado, servicios del Ãrbitro y el Programa de Asistencia al Consumidor (CAP) Asistencia de ReparaciÃ³n y Retiro del VehÃ*culo estan suspendidos hasta un nuevo aviso. Disculpen la inconveniencia. Consumidores pueden llamar al Departamento de Consumidores, Centro de InformaciÃ³n para Consumidores al 800.952.5210. TambiÃ©n pueden visitar nuestro sitio en el internet para ver si los dos servicios, el Ãrbitro y CAP, se han reanudado.

racepar1 · 08-31-2008, 07:16 PM

^^^That's old news man.

tckracker · 08-31-2008, 07:17 PM

As long as the vehicle, the motor comes out of is newer than the vehicle it is going in to and AAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLL smog components are installed PROPERLY; you can get it Ref'd in CA even if the engine is out of a GM vehicle without being a "Blue tag" or "kit car". Now the problem with this is the Smog Legal headers and exhaust manifolds dump directly on the steering so they have to be modified VERY carefully or the good ol' smog Refs will pull the rug out from under you

I am in the midst of trying to mod a set of SLP street legal headers on my S13 coupe to keep the Catalytic Conv in the "sameish" location but definitely same distance from the head.
-Shaun

projekt_s13 · 08-31-2008, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by racepar1

^^^That's old news man.

I know its old news, but why try if the stations are closed?

racepar1 · 08-31-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by projekt_s13

I know its old news, but why try if the stations are closed?

Because they WILL re-open, probably about the time that the budget for next year is released, which will be in a month or two. Also just because the ref is closed does not mean that your ref ticket will be dismissed. It DOES mean that you will have to pay a fine no matter what though. Why not have a swap installed and ready for the ref so that as soon as they open back up you are ready to go?

projekt_s13 · 08-31-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by racepar1

Because they WILL re-open, probably about the time that the budget for next year is released, which will be in a month or two. Also just because the ref is closed does not mean that your ref ticket will be dismissed. It DOES mean that you will have to pay a fine no matter what though. Why not have a swap installed and ready for the ref so that as soon as they open back up you are ready to go?

Oh, ok. Now that you mention it, it makes sense.

g6civcx · 08-31-2008, 08:54 PM

I would still like to see citation on the requirement that the engine has to be from the same make.

WoolyS14DET · 08-31-2008, 09:27 PM

^^^^Me Too !!

gigimow · 08-31-2008, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mmdb

do some research on the rx7 forums. They've been able to swap that engine in and get it ref'd. Good luck!

If the RX7 guys can get it ref'd, I'm sure a LS1 in a 240sx can will be the same. I'll find out soon enough. Got a s14 shell on the way.

PXRdriFT · 08-31-2008, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by g6civcx

I would still like to see citation on the requirement that the engine has to be from the same make.

I think the case being made here is the only stipulation is on the year.

g6civcx · 09-01-2008, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by PXRdriFT

I think the case being made here is the only stipulation is on the year.

I don't dispute the same year or newer. That's a federal requirement so the state by definition has to be at least the same or stricter.

I just want to know where the same make requirement came from.

I know you can put JDM engines into Integras and get it ref'ed in Cali. By definition, Acura does not exist outside of the US so any JDM swap will not be from the same make.

Plus others have done LS-series FC/FD ref so it's possible.

g00se · 09-02-2008, 10:19 PM

im in the process of building my ls2+t56 as well and for the most part here is a general overview of what they would be looking for Engine Change Guidelines

btw im using JBA headers (carb legal) "slightly modified" to get around the steering rack. And hey tckracker i didnt know that they measure out how far the cats were, i was planning to route the exhaust into the stock location for now to pass the ref.

08-31-2008, 03:05 PM	#1
bbejj123 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: La Crescenta Age: 31 Posts: 482 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Carb legal ls1 swap I am not sure on where to start this top so please move to whereever u feel it should be placed... Ok ive been doing some research and i searched for a carb legal setup and found some but they are quite far. I was wondering if anyone knew a place AROUND the 818 area code where i could get a legal ls1 swap for a fair price and great quality. __________________

08-31-2008, 04:16 PM	#5
PXRdriFT Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: SoCal 909 Posts: 255 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	its legal, you just have to ensure the emissions equipment is installed. __________________ PXRacing.com

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mmdb Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 240sx Posts: 1,558 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	do some research on the rx7 forums. They've been able to swap that engine in and get it ref'd. Good luck! __________________ .25 till 3

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08-31-2008, 03:36 PM	#2
racepar1 Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Simi Valley, CA Age: 38 Posts: 9,006 Trader Rating: (106) Rides Gallery: racepar1 Feedback Score: 106 reviews	These questions need to be asked here: http://zilvia.net/f/engine-tech/1056...240sx-faq.html and in the regional section. I highly doubt you will be able to find a shop that will do what you want. You will either have to do it yourself of get ready to spend some big bucks.

08-31-2008, 03:43 PM	#3
krisdeezy Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: three two three / The Rockk Age: 28 Posts: 913 Trader Rating: (17) Feedback Score: 17 reviews	shouldn't they be legal anyway? considering the engine is newer than the car and the engine is USDM ?! 0_o

08-31-2008, 03:44 PM	#4
ZX88 Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: ATX Age: 32 Posts: 2,946 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	im pretty sure the engine has to be from the same make/ maybe model?

08-31-2008, 04:38 PM	#8
qwikspool Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Murrieta, CA Posts: 1,912 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	i dont know about 818 area. try manjiparts.com

08-31-2008, 04:51 PM	#9
WoolyS14DET Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Long Island, NY Age: 42 Posts: 1,310 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	the motor has to be a nissan motor and from that car or newer in order to be a "legal Swap" If I'm not mistaken !!

08-31-2008, 05:26 PM	#15
WoolyS14DET Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Long Island, NY Age: 42 Posts: 1,310 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	So then it would be considered a "kit car" ???

08-31-2008, 07:07 PM	#18
racepar1 Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Simi Valley, CA Age: 38 Posts: 9,006 Trader Rating: (106) Rides Gallery: racepar1 Feedback Score: 106 reviews	Wow, so much fail here. If you are not 100% sure on what the laws are then why the hell are you posting here? Your opinion of what the laws say is irrelevant here. The OP needs to do his own damn research on what the smog laws will allow. As far as I know as long as the engine is the year of the car or newer, all the smog equipment is hooked up and functioning, whatever OBD system the motor came with is functioning, and everything behind the MAF or in front of the cats is either OEM or carb approved for the engine then you should be good to go. That is only my opinion though and if the OP really wants to do it he needs to do the research himself.

08-31-2008, 07:16 PM	#20
racepar1 Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Simi Valley, CA Age: 38 Posts: 9,006 Trader Rating: (106) Rides Gallery: racepar1 Feedback Score: 106 reviews	^^^That's old news man.

08-31-2008, 07:17 PM	#21
tckracker Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 98 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	As long as the vehicle, the motor comes out of is newer than the vehicle it is going in to and AAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLL smog components are installed PROPERLY; you can get it Ref'd in CA even if the engine is out of a GM vehicle without being a "Blue tag" or "kit car". Now the problem with this is the Smog Legal headers and exhaust manifolds dump directly on the steering so they have to be modified VERY carefully or the good ol' smog Refs will pull the rug out from under you I am in the midst of trying to mod a set of SLP street legal headers on my S13 coupe to keep the Catalytic Conv in the "sameish" location but definitely same distance from the head. -Shaun

08-31-2008, 08:54 PM	#25
g6civcx Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 5,764 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	I would still like to see citation on the requirement that the engine has to be from the same make.

08-31-2008, 09:27 PM	#26
WoolyS14DET Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Long Island, NY Age: 42 Posts: 1,310 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	^^^^Me Too !!

09-02-2008, 10:19 PM	#30
g00se Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: CA Posts: 381 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	im in the process of building my ls2+t56 as well and for the most part here is a general overview of what they would be looking for Engine Change Guidelines btw im using JBA headers (carb legal) "slightly modified" to get around the steering rack. And hey tckracker i didnt know that they measure out how far the cats were, i was planning to route the exhaust into the stock location for now to pass the ref.