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Dousan_PG · 02-02-2005, 07:26 PM

whats wrong w/ SPL?
you gotat pay the goods to get the goods

publicenemy137 · 02-02-2005, 08:17 PM

SPL KTS's are nice, SPLs are known to be a solid company that makes quality parts

thx247 · 02-03-2005, 09:31 AM

You could probably roll your own,

8 12.9 grade socket head bolts -$2
4 rod end ball joints,female threaded $9-20
4 rod end ball joint, male threaded $9-20
4 nuts to hold the ball joint in place -$1
8 spacers, could be nuts or similar -$1
8 nuts to hold the sway bar to the endlink. -$1

The only thing you'd need to find out is the loads the endlinks endure. It could be as cheap as $82 or as expensive as $170. (This is for the whole car btw)

There are other ways to make them too, for packaging reasons you could change the above to use a ball joint linkage instead or whatever.

hurleyboi514 · 02-03-2005, 10:51 AM

Halo, where did you purchase your D2's from?? Im good friends with Mike from D2 USA/Urban Import. He dates a friend of mine, and has stayed at my apartment a few times, so its pretty easy to get a hold of him, haha! if you have any problems getting the warranty, maybe i can help you around it. no guarantee's, but ill see what i can do...

*HaLo* · 02-03-2005, 02:18 PM

I dealt with Mark from Advautoparts iirc. Now, what are the conditions for the recall? Noisy shocks? that's all?

hurleyboi514 · 02-03-2005, 03:25 PM

i think its a recall for all shocks made before a certain production, which isnt till like late this year, so it basically covers any D2's sold in NA. supposedly they are blowing out seals when used under a certain temperature.

*HaLo* · 02-03-2005, 05:56 PM

I see... I have to send the coilovers back at my cost I believe right? What is the turnaround?

hurleyboi514 · 02-03-2005, 07:16 PM

nah, they are sending out all new shock bodies i believe. i think you may just have to cover shipping...

*HaLo* · 02-03-2005, 08:17 PM

All right... time to contact Mark then.

Rennen · 02-04-2005, 06:28 AM

Speaking of swaybars.... *puts on hijacker's ski mask*

I saw that Progress is coming out with a new set of sway bars for the S13 in the newest issue of Sport Compact Car.

From the picture, they are 3-way adjustable and have solid endlinks with spherical metal bushings. Looks like a nice piece.

Anyone have any info on these? I just emailed Progress, hopefully they are done with development so they can give me some specs.

-Matt

98sr20ve · 02-04-2005, 12:02 PM

They are 27mm Front and 22 Rear. 289 a piece.

Var · 02-04-2005, 01:31 PM

i just took my front sway bar off. cost me 0 dollars. It feels nicer now. I would ditch front sway for auto-x

jmauld · 02-04-2005, 04:48 PM

Removing the front sway bar on a RWD car is not the thing to do. You are giving up overall grip in an attempt to make the car feel more balanced.

Var · 02-04-2005, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmauld

Removing the front sway bar on a RWD car is not the thing to do. You are giving up overall grip in an attempt to make the car feel more balanced.

the rear end loses grip faster now. the front end grips forever. i'm gonna put better tires in the rear and it should balance out

thx247 · 02-04-2005, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmauld

Removing the front sway bar on a RWD car is not the thing to do. You are giving up overall grip in an attempt to make the car feel more balanced.

He's probably gaining more mechanical grip this way than any other way. I would have run this way on a stock suspension at the track if my rear tires didn't lift up and spin (torsen diff)

Since he has SPRINGAZZZ and stuff, that way will work fine for now. Probably needs a higher rate spring to get close to needing no bars front or rear. Or he could get a stiffer rear bar and run the stock bar up front. Upping the rear spring rates alot to run no bar back there could spell trouble for putting power down in corners though, I don't have any power so I don't know about that issue.

Var · 02-04-2005, 06:24 PM

this is on my stock SOHC KA car...and i have RA1's on it. but the inside tire still spins, once again confirming that vlsd are useless

jmauld · 02-04-2005, 08:14 PM

Are you saying you do this on a Stock suspension car?

If so, this is definitely the wrong way to go. It is possible to use springs to not need swaybars, but with a stock suspension, you are just going to lose overall grip. I did about a half year on the stock front swaybar and otherwise stock suspension. That setup resulted in me killing the outside edge of my front tires. I added a bigger front swaybar which kept the car more level and resulted in keeping the tire flatter while cornering.

Without a front swaybar, you are almost guaranteed to be giving up grip due to the amount of positive camber gained on the outside front tire. If you doubt this, get pictures of the car loaded in a corner, with and without the front bar.

You are also giving up response time in transitions such as slaloms.

Var · 02-04-2005, 08:54 PM

I'm not using stock suspension and i have -2.5º Camber. Rates are 6.7k/5.5k with pillow ball mounts and the front doesnt really sway all that much more..it just rotates faster and steering response is crazy. The front end doesnt get unsettled over bumps anymore and steering feels a lot "lighter".

A perfect car wouldnt use sway bars...they are just a convenience for the manufacturer

thx247 · 02-04-2005, 10:02 PM

a perfect car is only perfect in perfect conditions for said car. Hence the need for sways

jmauld · 02-04-2005, 10:13 PM

A perfect car on a perfect track might not use swaybars. Unfortunately, no matter what springrate you pick, we are not dealing with either one of those. Check out some of the production-car based car races and pay attention to the swaybars they use. They're huge and some of them are also adjustable from the cockpit!

I think the springrates that you are using are pretty low to be running without a front bar, I'd still like to see a picture of the front of your car, while loaded in a corner.

I've got a Test & Tune coming up at the end of this month. You've got me interested enough to disconnect each swaybar on seperate runs. We should be setting up a skid pad area, so it would be interesting to collect data on each setup. Just need to find someone with a g-force meter that I can borrow.

98sr20ve · 02-05-2005, 12:47 PM

SOME NASA SE-R cup racers swear by the no front bar combo. BUT to work they run 600lb spring in a 2300lb car. With 500lb springs they use a front bar. Transistions are going to be much slower with out a bar so for autocrossing this makes little sence. But for roadcourse stuff you don't have as quick of transitions sometimes so you can give this up to gain some traction on the inside wheel in the front.

Var · 02-05-2005, 08:59 PM

Ok guys i just got back from the mountains this morning..i was out for 3 hrs testing the new setup. No front sway feels so friggin awesome. There were 4 roads we drove. One consisted of haripins for about 6 miles straight. Really harsh terrain and not friendly for stiff suspension. another road was smooth road with the fastest turn being about 70mph but usually about 40-60. another was high speed sweepers and the other was 50mph range again.

The hairpin road was so much better than last week. My front end definitely doesnt get jarred as much. It's the kind of road where you have to anticipate the turn-in because there are bumps and dips right before the turn. So you hit a bump then anticipate when your front end will re-gain traction and quickly turn in to make it through. My front end caught less air this time around and i went a lot faster overall.

The high speed section 80+ is where you really feel the floaty feeling, but it still seems to grip more.

The 50mph range is smooth as butter and it feels like i can go faster and faster.

Trailbraking is soooo sex with this setup. the car rotates when you need it to and the steering wheel fights you less. i likey.. but i dont think i would use this for road race/drift. Only twisties and auto-x

s13irdie2 · 02-05-2005, 10:15 PM

i wanna go to some mountains and test out my car!! im jealous. can anyone tell me some good ones in socal. pretty please!!

thx247 · 02-05-2005, 10:25 PM

Why not for track use?

Var · 02-06-2005, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thx247

Why not for track use?

Just for my setup. I think i'd need stiffer springs in the front to go faster without getting too much roll

thx247 · 02-06-2005, 01:57 AM

It stands to reason that if the car feels good at 50mph, its going to be good at 90mph too. Maybe you should come out and test it on the 21st? 2 spots left lolololol

Var · 02-06-2005, 04:22 AM

Vegas sucked me dry..i'm gonna wait till the last minute. If there's a spot open i'll think about it

Twinturbozs · 02-06-2005, 10:21 AM

where did you guys purchase your Tanabes?

02-02-2005, 07:26 PM	#31
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 42 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	whats wrong w/ SPL? you gotat pay the goods to get the goods __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

02-02-2005, 08:17 PM	#32
publicenemy137 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NoVa Posts: 353 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	SPL KTS's are nice, SPLs are known to be a solid company that makes quality parts __________________ check out my 240sx in my cardomain page 1 CLICK HERE TO SEE MY CARDOMAIN! help me decide my next set of rims

02-03-2005, 09:31 AM	#33
thx247 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: bay area Posts: 1,455 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You could probably roll your own, 8 12.9 grade socket head bolts -$2 4 rod end ball joints,female threaded $9-20 4 rod end ball joint, male threaded $9-20 4 nuts to hold the ball joint in place -$1 8 spacers, could be nuts or similar -$1 8 nuts to hold the sway bar to the endlink. -$1 The only thing you'd need to find out is the loads the endlinks endure. It could be as cheap as $82 or as expensive as $170. (This is for the whole car btw) There are other ways to make them too, for packaging reasons you could change the above to use a ball joint linkage instead or whatever. __________________ Finally down to 1 car again. Thank god.

02-03-2005, 10:51 AM	#34
hurleyboi514 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Fort Posts: 905 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Halo, where did you purchase your D2's from?? Im good friends with Mike from D2 USA/Urban Import. He dates a friend of mine, and has stayed at my apartment a few times, so its pretty easy to get a hold of him, haha! if you have any problems getting the warranty, maybe i can help you around it. no guarantee's, but ill see what i can do... __________________ HighTach Motorsports

02-03-2005, 02:18 PM	#35
HaLo from Canada, eh! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Montreal, Quebec Age: 42 Posts: 5,199 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: HaLo Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I dealt with Mark from Advautoparts iirc. Now, what are the conditions for the recall? Noisy shocks? that's all? __________________ -> HaLo Race Car: '98 E36 BMW M3 Daily Driver: '08 Fiji Blue Honda Civic Si SOLD: 01 GPW Honda S2000 PARTED: 93 Pearl White 240SX LE Fastback w/SR20DET SOLD: 93 Super White 240SX SE Convertible w/Silvia Front

02-03-2005, 03:25 PM	#36
hurleyboi514 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Fort Posts: 905 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i think its a recall for all shocks made before a certain production, which isnt till like late this year, so it basically covers any D2's sold in NA. supposedly they are blowing out seals when used under a certain temperature. __________________ HighTach Motorsports

02-03-2005, 05:56 PM	#37
HaLo from Canada, eh! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Montreal, Quebec Age: 42 Posts: 5,199 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: HaLo Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I see... I have to send the coilovers back at my cost I believe right? What is the turnaround? __________________ -> HaLo Race Car: '98 E36 BMW M3 Daily Driver: '08 Fiji Blue Honda Civic Si SOLD: 01 GPW Honda S2000 PARTED: 93 Pearl White 240SX LE Fastback w/SR20DET SOLD: 93 Super White 240SX SE Convertible w/Silvia Front

02-03-2005, 07:16 PM	#38
hurleyboi514 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Fort Posts: 905 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	nah, they are sending out all new shock bodies i believe. i think you may just have to cover shipping... __________________ HighTach Motorsports

02-03-2005, 08:17 PM	#39
HaLo from Canada, eh! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Montreal, Quebec Age: 42 Posts: 5,199 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: HaLo Feedback Score: 0 reviews	All right... time to contact Mark then. __________________ -> HaLo Race Car: '98 E36 BMW M3 Daily Driver: '08 Fiji Blue Honda Civic Si SOLD: 01 GPW Honda S2000 PARTED: 93 Pearl White 240SX LE Fastback w/SR20DET SOLD: 93 Super White 240SX SE Convertible w/Silvia Front

02-04-2005, 06:28 AM	#40
Rennen Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: WichitAr, KS Age: 38 Posts: 877 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Rennen Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Speaking of swaybars.... puts on hijacker's ski mask I saw that Progress is coming out with a new set of sway bars for the S13 in the newest issue of Sport Compact Car. From the picture, they are 3-way adjustable and have solid endlinks with spherical metal bushings. Looks like a nice piece. Anyone have any info on these? I just emailed Progress, hopefully they are done with development so they can give me some specs. -Matt __________________ '89 Nissan 240SX fastback: #23 DSP/RallyMod2/Track Slut '95 BMW 540i 6 speed: Ultimate Commuting Machine PFM Racing www.solo2.org www.midwest240sx.com

02-04-2005, 12:02 PM	#41
98sr20ve Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hampton Posts: 156 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	They are 27mm Front and 22 Rear. 289 a piece.

02-04-2005, 01:31 PM	#42
Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 39 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i just took my front sway bar off. cost me 0 dollars. It feels nicer now. I would ditch front sway for auto-x __________________ Hi

02-04-2005, 04:48 PM	#43
jmauld Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Age: 45 Posts: 362 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Removing the front sway bar on a RWD car is not the thing to do. You are giving up overall grip in an attempt to make the car feel more balanced. __________________ Jason '95 240sx SE

02-04-2005, 06:24 PM	#46
Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 39 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	this is on my stock SOHC KA car...and i have RA1's on it. but the inside tire still spins, once again confirming that vlsd are useless __________________ Hi

02-04-2005, 08:14 PM	#47
jmauld Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Age: 45 Posts: 362 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Are you saying you do this on a Stock suspension car? If so, this is definitely the wrong way to go. It is possible to use springs to not need swaybars, but with a stock suspension, you are just going to lose overall grip. I did about a half year on the stock front swaybar and otherwise stock suspension. That setup resulted in me killing the outside edge of my front tires. I added a bigger front swaybar which kept the car more level and resulted in keeping the tire flatter while cornering. Without a front swaybar, you are almost guaranteed to be giving up grip due to the amount of positive camber gained on the outside front tire. If you doubt this, get pictures of the car loaded in a corner, with and without the front bar. You are also giving up response time in transitions such as slaloms. __________________ Jason '95 240sx SE

02-04-2005, 08:54 PM	#48
Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 39 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'm not using stock suspension and i have -2.5º Camber. Rates are 6.7k/5.5k with pillow ball mounts and the front doesnt really sway all that much more..it just rotates faster and steering response is crazy. The front end doesnt get unsettled over bumps anymore and steering feels a lot "lighter". A perfect car wouldnt use sway bars...they are just a convenience for the manufacturer __________________ Hi

02-04-2005, 10:02 PM	#49
thx247 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: bay area Posts: 1,455 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	a perfect car is only perfect in perfect conditions for said car. Hence the need for sways __________________ Finally down to 1 car again. Thank god.

02-04-2005, 10:13 PM	#50
jmauld Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Age: 45 Posts: 362 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	A perfect car on a perfect track might not use swaybars. Unfortunately, no matter what springrate you pick, we are not dealing with either one of those. Check out some of the production-car based car races and pay attention to the swaybars they use. They're huge and some of them are also adjustable from the cockpit! I think the springrates that you are using are pretty low to be running without a front bar, I'd still like to see a picture of the front of your car, while loaded in a corner. I've got a Test & Tune coming up at the end of this month. You've got me interested enough to disconnect each swaybar on seperate runs. We should be setting up a skid pad area, so it would be interesting to collect data on each setup. Just need to find someone with a g-force meter that I can borrow. __________________ Jason '95 240sx SE

02-05-2005, 12:47 PM	#51
98sr20ve Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hampton Posts: 156 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	SOME NASA SE-R cup racers swear by the no front bar combo. BUT to work they run 600lb spring in a 2300lb car. With 500lb springs they use a front bar. Transistions are going to be much slower with out a bar so for autocrossing this makes little sence. But for roadcourse stuff you don't have as quick of transitions sometimes so you can give this up to gain some traction on the inside wheel in the front.

02-05-2005, 08:59 PM	#52
Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 39 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ok guys i just got back from the mountains this morning..i was out for 3 hrs testing the new setup. No front sway feels so friggin awesome. There were 4 roads we drove. One consisted of haripins for about 6 miles straight. Really harsh terrain and not friendly for stiff suspension. another road was smooth road with the fastest turn being about 70mph but usually about 40-60. another was high speed sweepers and the other was 50mph range again. The hairpin road was so much better than last week. My front end definitely doesnt get jarred as much. It's the kind of road where you have to anticipate the turn-in because there are bumps and dips right before the turn. So you hit a bump then anticipate when your front end will re-gain traction and quickly turn in to make it through. My front end caught less air this time around and i went a lot faster overall. The high speed section 80+ is where you really feel the floaty feeling, but it still seems to grip more. The 50mph range is smooth as butter and it feels like i can go faster and faster. Trailbraking is soooo sex with this setup. the car rotates when you need it to and the steering wheel fights you less. i likey.. but i dont think i would use this for road race/drift. Only twisties and auto-x __________________ Hi

02-05-2005, 10:15 PM	#53
s13irdie2 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: southern cali Age: 34 Posts: 508 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i wanna go to some mountains and test out my car!! im jealous. can anyone tell me some good ones in socal. pretty please!! __________________ 1990 s13 IslandMotorsports, Inc.

02-05-2005, 10:25 PM	#54
thx247 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: bay area Posts: 1,455 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Why not for track use? __________________ Finally down to 1 car again. Thank god.

02-06-2005, 01:57 AM	#56
thx247 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: bay area Posts: 1,455 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	It stands to reason that if the car feels good at 50mph, its going to be good at 90mph too. Maybe you should come out and test it on the 21st? 2 spots left lolololol __________________ Finally down to 1 car again. Thank god.

02-06-2005, 04:22 AM	#57
Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 39 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Vegas sucked me dry..i'm gonna wait till the last minute. If there's a spot open i'll think about it __________________ Hi

02-06-2005, 10:21 AM	#58
Twinturbozs Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 292 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	where did you guys purchase your Tanabes?

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