racepar1

Are you serious dude? That is just fucked up right there! What are you looking for blood or something!!!???

rob burgoon

Take a chill pill. I can't quite make out the diagonal thing in the interior shot. I think it might be the OEM seat belt partially cut and still fastened, but I'm not sure. Also, with more res if theres any part of a 4 point harness sticking out, I might be able to see it.

95nissan240sx

no that's me (emmo) in the green 240 and no those are the only pics i have of the mini cooper

ronmcdon

your S14 looks good. very clean oem look.

racepar1

Regardless of what you think you do or don't see there is no need for a higher res photo, it is pretty morbid of you to even ask for one man the fucking guy is in pretty damn bad shape. As a long time racer I find it unacceptable to drool over somebody's misfortune. Take a look and let it go, it is not cool to gawk at something like that.

gotta240

You act like everyone should turn their head and pretend it didn't happen. In reality, crashing happens and usually people want to know what happened and how it happened, what mods the car had, what type of restraints, how he offtracked, how he crashed, how he flipped, how many times, etc. etc.

Its not morbid, its curiosity. No one is asking for pictures of the poor guy, but instead of the car...a piece of metal. I haven't heard anyone badmouth the driver or wish harm upon him. Although i too am curious as to what restraints he had and how many times that car went over, I still wish him the very best and hope he has a rapid and full recovery. Lets not overreact here

95nissan240sx

thanks a lot

racepar1

At the track anytime a driver is injured in a crash the track officials cover the car untill the crew comes to get it. It is a sign of disrespect to gawk and drool over a car that somebody was injured in. If the guy walked away it is a totally different story, drool and gawk and ask questions all you want. THAT is the difference here, the guy is in the hospital. It is a matter of racer etiquette. I know most of you don't understand or even care about that, but I do. We all wanted to see pics, now we have them and there is no need for more pics. Take a look and say a prayer for the guy involved, anything more is just plain disrespectful to him.

racepar1

Bad news about the mini driver guys, he died. I read that in a thread over on trackhq.com I am going to request that the the preson who posted the pics remove the pics from this thread.

techtrix

I think hes asking to see pics of the mini for future safety reasons. If we can figure out why the driver was so badly injured that it led to his death (what if any after market safety devices failed or did not work properly), maybe someone else's life can be saved. It is possible that all the safety equipment did its job, but could not handle that severe of a roll over, maybe more safety equipment should be required to be able to run on such a high speed track like WSIR...

Thanks for the compliments! ( i was driving the black LS1 FC at the balcony)

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racepar1

He was in a racing seat and wearing 4-point harnesses and still ended up partially out of the belts. The lesson to learn here is that if you are going off at high speed just let it go and try to do it as straight as possible. The guy followed his natural instincts to try to save it and ended up losing his life because of it. It is quite scary because he had the same amount of safety equipment as most everybody at the track and it did nothing for him. We as drivers have to be smarter and fight our natural instincts. Should he have just gone straight off those pics and this story wouldn't exist. RIP

techtrix

I agree with you on driving it straight off. Its the best way if you are going off. If the guy came out of the belts, then the belts were not mounted properly, or the harness bar (if he had one) bent and allowed the belts to loosen... Or the seat mounts or sliders moved...or the belts were junk...Or maybe he had his belts on loose? I dont know. But i do know that a good properly mounted seat and good properly mounted belts wont move in a crash. Its better to LEARN from everyones mistakes/misfortunes rather than just your own. It could save your life. Thats why they do accident investigations, so they can make changes and save life's.

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gotta240

damn that sucks. May our prayers be with his family.

gotta240

plus repped to you. You typed exactly what i was thinking.

racepar1

According to reports from the people at the scene the belts were mounted correctly. I'm sure NASA will be conducting an investigation and hopefully they will make their findings public.

racepar1

I have decided to remove my request to remove the pics. It is necessary to educate the living about what can happen when you make a bad driving choice, whether it be on the street or at the track. I just request that those pics do not become a gawk fest, just a visual aid to illustrate the point of what can happen when you don't drive with your head.

rob burgoon

Bingo. I work as an instructor with speedventures and I often have to evaluate if someone's naive attempt at a "safety system" is going to kill me, him, or his girlfriend. It's not black and white either. Do I refuse to ride with him? Do I kick him out? Do I fasten an OEM harness and let him use his 4 pt if he wants to? Do I insist on a rollbar at Big Willow?

There are two safety systems in the car. The nut behind the wheel is the active system, while the harnesses, seats, rollbar/cage, crumple zones and others compose the passive system. Tragically, at least one failed.

Both deserve careful consideration.

NASA will conduct their investigation, but their statement doesn't give me much confidence in it being public. In the meantime I want to learn as much as I can because it might save a student or myself this weekend.

eli_eli

wow, that is so sad to hear about the guy in the mini, my condolences to him and his family...

i actually spun out on turn 9 at the big willow track also and did my best to stay on the track, instead of just going straight with it like you guys mentioned, i didnt know then and was lucky i didnt go off track while spinning out.

Btw good job Mike, i saw this thread and was about to e mail it to you, but you found it ...wish me and Ismar came out, but next time...

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awesome pics you guys. that vid was cool too.

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hijack3d

I was at the NASA event when this happened. They postponed my race group as the life flight was called in. During a briefing Saturday, they told us that he had an "inadequate" safety harness and was actually found in the passenger seat. Though we were told Sunday that he was responding to treatment (though in critical condition), people at the track with binoculars said that they had not seen a body loaded onto the life flight.

Turn 9 is scary as hell. They say he hit the drainage ditch, which tells us he was going really, really fast. Its one thing to talk about avoiding instinct and trying to correct, but my first time at WSIR through turn 9, all I could think was, "when in doubt, both feet out" ...

His incident really reassured me to stick with factory safety equipment until I can afford doing everything right--professionally.

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Croan

u guys crashing up there the night b4 ?

autobahNESSA

Wrong thread, Jason! haha

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LAWLence

i was there!