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spyderplayer2002 · 08-10-2005, 09:32 PM

are the ca18det a good swap for cheap people like me all i want to make is 275 hp

wootwoot · 08-10-2005, 09:47 PM

No it isnt. Cheap people like you should turbo the stock ka. People like you should also search more and use less of those faces. CA18det is old, last year made was 1990? Chances are it will need a rebuild, or atleast it would be a good idea. A small turbo kit on a stock ka with stock compression can give you what you want easily. Do that and use that search button

spyderplayer2002 · 08-11-2005, 10:34 PM

well i do not have a tranny, manual (it is an automatic) or motor and i can get a ca18det for 1300 shipped

wootwoot · 08-11-2005, 11:17 PM

No it isnt. Cheap people like you should turbo the stock ka. People like you should also search more and use less of those faces. CA18det is old, last year made was 1990? Chances are it will need a rebuild, or atleast it would be a good idea. A small turbo kit on a stock ka with stock compression can give you what you want easily. Do that and use that search button

sdtouge · 08-12-2005, 01:43 AM

last year made was 94 i beleive, and wow, 1 year older than sr20s. omg. especially when most sra are almost 15 years old.

375hp. just buy a gto.

Nan Desu Ka?! · 08-12-2005, 02:37 AM

he said 275hp...

use the search button my friend... this topic has been covered a bazzillion times.

did we mention use the search button?

sLiDewAys · 08-17-2005, 01:04 PM

most ca's are old bla bla bla. its funny how you talk but have no idea what u speak of. ca stopped production in 91. which is when sr debuted. which makes ca a whoppijg 7 months older. that slike comparing kae and kade when we all know that they both have the same potential of being crap motors USED.

my conclusion. stock ca on ar.48 t25 makes 175hp at 6400 rpm

stock sr on ar.80 t25g makes 202hp at 6000rpm

Sr advantage, lower end torque and response. Ca advantace, higher rev's and more hp at higher RPM

guy on the ca forums on nicoclub.com was making 277 to the wheels with 550's on ca18 with s14 turbo. i believe the s13 redtop shares near the same numbers. end conclusion, same capabilities but ca just takes some time to put together seeing that the us market is slowly catching on.. + ca was a better designed motor. screw aluminum ITS FOR CANS and HONDAS

wootwoot · 08-17-2005, 03:13 PM

Thing is the newest ca you can get is 14 years old then. The newest sr you can get is 6 years old.

WideS13 · 08-17-2005, 07:08 PM

Pay more for a newer engine that was made cheaper, or pay less for an older engine that was made better. Not saying that the SR is a pos, but the CA is more mehanically sound design. The diffrances between the 2 are covered in other threads. If you get a decent CA and spend the money/time to replace the head gasket and a few of the other seals and gaskets, you have a very rock solid engine. Typically a SR (S13) and CA will have close the same milage on them regardless. So the only issue with it being older is how long it has been sitting. I doubt the extra 3-4 years a CA has been sitting over the time an SR has been sitting is going to cause it to magically fall apart. Personally, I'd go with a CA.

liv2drift045 · 08-17-2005, 07:18 PM

+1 for ca's...275 is very reachable...probly needing a rebuild...sure just as every other high mileage motorset that most of these companies sell sayin " only 50-60k on the motor" psshhh yea right...do u know how hard it is to find a redtop or ca motor w/ that low mileage in a car (i had 2 silvias and all my friends had them while over there and no ones car had UNDER 60...be it sr/ca/or rb)...anyway i do agree w/ what the guy said if yer under a small budget stay ka...but the ca will get to 275 w/ bigger turbo and fuel mangaement easily (and by saying fuel management i dont mean u need standalone)

tryiian · 08-17-2005, 07:24 PM

at 275 hp, just get whatever engine you can tune to your power level for cheapest, or most reliable, or that gets the best mileage when off boost, or is most accessible, or has the quickest throttle response.

Do you know which engine matches each of those attributes? If not, do more research, and figure out what your priorities are, then stop asking other people for their opinions and have your own. We need more of that nowadays, there`s too many people expecting to base their car off what the guys on the internet tell them to do...

wootwoot · 08-17-2005, 09:36 PM

I love ca's, I want one bad. But he isnt realising that it wont be that cheap. If I had not fell upon my sr, I would definitely have a ca. Seriously, if you are cheap and want little hp, turbo what you have!!!

sdtouge · 08-17-2005, 09:59 PM

no matter what enigne you choose it wont be cheap

ca is getting some represintation rihgt now lol

another + 1 for the ca
machine shop i had them inspect crank
and rods to be safe, wich they said were in perfect condition. not bad for a motor from the ice age

SDS14Driver · 08-19-2005, 05:18 PM

tryiian, wootwoot, i'm with you guys. Spyder, you seem to have a clear idea of what it is you want, more power. You should work backward from there and be realistic. You want 275? You've already got an engine willing to take you there and it's quite possibly the cheapest option.

Its best to come up with your own opinions but more importantly, learn from this forum as a whole. search for anything swap related (CA or SR) and look at the problems they've encountered. It's not easy man... Problems WILL happen. You know your engine's history, turbo charge that damn KA, you won't be displeased. I'm willing to bet that at 5-6psi of boost you'll be satisfied.

For the price to get your mystery engine to your door step you can have a KA24DET tuned and ready for the street.

HitAndRunCrew · 08-19-2005, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spyderplayer2002

well i do not have a tranny, manual (it is an automatic) or motor and i can get a ca18det for 1300 shipped

I think some of you might have missed this post stating that he doesn't even have a KA motor or tranny at the moment...

wootwoot · 08-19-2005, 09:37 PM

well you can pick up a ka24e for roughly 200 bucks. Still beats a ca18

sdtouge · 08-19-2005, 11:25 PM

beats a ca price wise....

liv2drift045 · 08-19-2005, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wootwoot

well you can pick up a ka24e for roughly 200 bucks. Still beats a ca18

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
here we go

HitAndRunCrew · 08-20-2005, 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdtouge

beats a ca price wise....

Ummm...He doesn't have an engine or tranny...and you are trying to tell me that he can get both of those and turbo charge it for alot less than $1300?

Less than $1300...sure, alot less than $1300...not likely...

Either way the guy hasn't responded to the thread since it started...so who cares...

P.S. I got you a CA18DET Harness finally MR. SDTOUGE, if you still need it...Dave

racer98 · 08-20-2005, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spyderplayer2002

are the ca18det a good swap for cheap people like me all i want to make is 275 hp

they are a great motor and parts availability is also very good since this CA18DE version was sold in the usa you can go too most parts stores and order parts for the motor.

it will take an extra ammount of funds to get too that target but its your $$$

wootwoot · 08-20-2005, 10:11 AM

I'm not sure if a ca18de was made available in the USA but I do know that the ca18et definitely was.

liv2drift045 · 08-20-2005, 01:52 PM

yes the DE was available in the US

sdtouge · 08-20-2005, 07:40 PM

i meant a sohc was cheaper but ya this is the worst thread in history lol.
i pmed you on another site lol

racer98 · 08-20-2005, 07:48 PM

with parts you can get over the counter you can get a Ca18DE RWD set up with a nice over bore and hi-comp pistons and get some side draft carbs on that motor and have a very high revving fun motor.

on the Ca18DET same case get the DE FWD cams some adj sprockets and regrind on the cams do some work on the motor and very easly you can have a motor that would be easly over 240hp +

racer98 · 08-20-2005, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdtouge

375hp. just buy a gto.

and count how fast the car falls apart.

Didnt you hear GM are going too cancel that car.

JDMs13 · 08-20-2005, 08:12 PM

on the Ca18DET same case get the DE FWD cams some adj sprockets and regrind on the cams do some work on the motor and very easly you can have a motor that would be easly over 240hp +[/QUOTE]

If I ever cammed my CA and installed adj cam gears, Im pretty sure Id be shooting for a number much higher than 240. Anyways, are s15 BB turbos a better upgrade for the CA, say than the s14 turbo?

liv2drift045 · 08-21-2005, 05:05 AM

not necissarily(sp) its gonna take a little bit longer to spool...but thats really the only draw back i can see...its newer...so i guess it may be a better idea..its is cheap new...i just went ahead and got a s14 one

SDS14Driver · 08-25-2005, 02:17 PM

This thread my DIE RAH!

wootwoot · 08-25-2005, 02:28 PM

If this thread must die why did you just bring it back to life?...

sLiDewAys · 08-25-2005, 03:14 PM

how did that go. pay less for an older motor, pay more for a newer engine. so u suggest his cheap ass fo buy a s14 sr for... 3200? lmao. + harness conversion cost, + new water pump+ fluids and junk maybe even some new motor mounts and clutch. so 4,000 for a friken swap? lets get a ca motorset for 900 and full rebuild it. see how much more satisfied you;d be. thats just my opinion

leave the aluminum bottoms with cans. kat or cat... sr can kiss my blakkas... bandwaggoned "JDM" motor. only reason ppl bu yit cuz it comes from the 180 and "JDM SILVIA" i got a silvia mtor. so.. i got a silvia motor too. thats makes power at 6400rpm stock compared to 6 event.... so i got 202 hp stock.. and i got 175 byatches with plenty reasons why its soo low....oo mine is newer.. yeah and lets count all the blown SR20 threads on this forums history compared to ca or even ka...ooo well my valve cover is better.. yeah and you also have those gay rocker arms and your motor suffers from over stroke......well if sr is soo badd then why do majority of jdm drifters/track drivers use them.... well i cant answer that fully. probly becasue its capable of more peak hp cheaper... ca has cooling issues on high hp appliation.. same with ka and vg... get a koyoand some samco hoses, with som dual electric fans and a pusher then stop whinning.... my ca with exhaust and intake beat an sr with dp and intake.... an you say they are weak... do yourself a favor and pay attention to the growth of ca owners here in us.. catch on early sukkkaaaazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

brandon
the nor cal ca-negro

08-10-2005, 09:32 PM	#1
spyderplayer2002 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Memphis, Tn Age: 33 Posts: 30 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	CA18det are the ca18det a good swap for cheap people like me all i want to make is 275 hp Last edited by S14DB; 08-17-2005 at 10:14 PM..

08-10-2005, 09:47 PM	#2
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 35 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	No it isnt. Cheap people like you should turbo the stock ka. People like you should also search more and use less of those faces. CA18det is old, last year made was 1990? Chances are it will need a rebuild, or atleast it would be a good idea. A small turbo kit on a stock ka with stock compression can give you what you want easily. Do that and use that search button __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

08-11-2005, 11:17 PM	#4
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 35 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	No it isnt. Cheap people like you should turbo the stock ka. People like you should also search more and use less of those faces. CA18det is old, last year made was 1990? Chances are it will need a rebuild, or atleast it would be a good idea. A small turbo kit on a stock ka with stock compression can give you what you want easily. Do that and use that search button __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

08-12-2005, 02:37 AM	#6
Nan Desu Ka?! Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Age: 35 Posts: 1,124 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	he said 275hp... use the search button my friend... this topic has been covered a bazzillion times. did we mention use the search button? __________________ Norcal-240sx.net

08-17-2005, 03:13 PM	#8
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 35 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Thing is the newest ca you can get is 14 years old then. The newest sr you can get is 6 years old. __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

08-11-2005, 10:34 PM	#3
spyderplayer2002 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Memphis, Tn Age: 33 Posts: 30 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	well i do not have a tranny, manual (it is an automatic) or motor and i can get a ca18det for 1300 shipped

08-12-2005, 01:43 AM	#5
sdtouge BANNED Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: san diego Posts: 479 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	last year made was 94 i beleive, and wow, 1 year older than sr20s. omg. especially when most sra are almost 15 years old. 375hp. just buy a gto.

08-17-2005, 01:04 PM	#7
sLiDewAys Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2003 Location: San Francisco, Ca Age: 36 Posts: 1,787 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	most ca's are old bla bla bla. its funny how you talk but have no idea what u speak of. ca stopped production in 91. which is when sr debuted. which makes ca a whoppijg 7 months older. that slike comparing kae and kade when we all know that they both have the same potential of being crap motors USED. my conclusion. stock ca on ar.48 t25 makes 175hp at 6400 rpm stock sr on ar.80 t25g makes 202hp at 6000rpm Sr advantage, lower end torque and response. Ca advantace, higher rev's and more hp at higher RPM guy on the ca forums on nicoclub.com was making 277 to the wheels with 550's on ca18 with s14 turbo. i believe the s13 redtop shares near the same numbers. end conclusion, same capabilities but ca just takes some time to put together seeing that the us market is slowly catching on.. + ca was a better designed motor. screw aluminum ITS FOR CANS and HONDAS

08-17-2005, 07:08 PM	#9
WideS13 Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Cherry Point, NC Posts: 56 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Pay more for a newer engine that was made cheaper, or pay less for an older engine that was made better. Not saying that the SR is a pos, but the CA is more mehanically sound design. The diffrances between the 2 are covered in other threads. If you get a decent CA and spend the money/time to replace the head gasket and a few of the other seals and gaskets, you have a very rock solid engine. Typically a SR (S13) and CA will have close the same milage on them regardless. So the only issue with it being older is how long it has been sitting. I doubt the extra 3-4 years a CA has been sitting over the time an SR has been sitting is going to cause it to magically fall apart. Personally, I'd go with a CA.

08-17-2005, 07:18 PM	#10
liv2drift045 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicagoland Age: 38 Posts: 1,483 Trader Rating: (7) Rides Gallery: liv2drift045 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	+1 for ca's...275 is very reachable...probly needing a rebuild...sure just as every other high mileage motorset that most of these companies sell sayin " only 50-60k on the motor" psshhh yea right...do u know how hard it is to find a redtop or ca motor w/ that low mileage in a car (i had 2 silvias and all my friends had them while over there and no ones car had UNDER 60...be it sr/ca/or rb)...anyway i do agree w/ what the guy said if yer under a small budget stay ka...but the ca will get to 275 w/ bigger turbo and fuel mangaement easily (and by saying fuel management i dont mean u need standalone) __________________ StreetSliders.Blogspot.com

08-17-2005, 07:24 PM	#11
tryiian Leaky Injector Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: 35215 Posts: 59 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	at 275 hp, just get whatever engine you can tune to your power level for cheapest, or most reliable, or that gets the best mileage when off boost, or is most accessible, or has the quickest throttle response. Do you know which engine matches each of those attributes? If not, do more research, and figure out what your priorities are, then stop asking other people for their opinions and have your own. We need more of that nowadays, there`s too many people expecting to base their car off what the guys on the internet tell them to do...

08-17-2005, 09:36 PM	#12
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 35 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I love ca's, I want one bad. But he isnt realising that it wont be that cheap. If I had not fell upon my sr, I would definitely have a ca. Seriously, if you are cheap and want little hp, turbo what you have!!! __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

08-17-2005, 09:59 PM	#13
sdtouge BANNED Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: san diego Posts: 479 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	no matter what enigne you choose it wont be cheap ca is getting some represintation rihgt now lol another + 1 for the ca machine shop i had them inspect crank and rods to be safe, wich they said were in perfect condition. not bad for a motor from the ice age

08-19-2005, 05:18 PM	#14
SDS14Driver Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southern California Age: 52 Posts: 103 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	tryiian, wootwoot, i'm with you guys. Spyder, you seem to have a clear idea of what it is you want, more power. You should work backward from there and be realistic. You want 275? You've already got an engine willing to take you there and it's quite possibly the cheapest option. Its best to come up with your own opinions but more importantly, learn from this forum as a whole. search for anything swap related (CA or SR) and look at the problems they've encountered. It's not easy man... Problems WILL happen. You know your engine's history, turbo charge that damn KA, you won't be displeased. I'm willing to bet that at 5-6psi of boost you'll be satisfied. For the price to get your mystery engine to your door step you can have a KA24DET tuned and ready for the street.

08-19-2005, 09:37 PM	#16
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 35 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	well you can pick up a ka24e for roughly 200 bucks. Still beats a ca18 __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

08-19-2005, 11:25 PM	#17
sdtouge BANNED Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: san diego Posts: 479 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	beats a ca price wise....

08-20-2005, 10:11 AM	#21
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 35 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'm not sure if a ca18de was made available in the USA but I do know that the ca18et definitely was. __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

08-20-2005, 01:52 PM	#22
liv2drift045 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicagoland Age: 38 Posts: 1,483 Trader Rating: (7) Rides Gallery: liv2drift045 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	yes the DE was available in the US __________________ StreetSliders.Blogspot.com

08-20-2005, 07:40 PM	#23
sdtouge BANNED Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: san diego Posts: 479 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i meant a sohc was cheaper but ya this is the worst thread in history lol. i pmed you on another site lol

08-20-2005, 07:48 PM	#24
racer98 Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: 六本木 Age: 43 Posts: 6,201 Trader Rating: (128) Feedback Score: 128 reviews	with parts you can get over the counter you can get a Ca18DE RWD set up with a nice over bore and hi-comp pistons and get some side draft carbs on that motor and have a very high revving fun motor. on the Ca18DET same case get the DE FWD cams some adj sprockets and regrind on the cams do some work on the motor and very easly you can have a motor that would be easly over 240hp +

08-20-2005, 08:12 PM	#26
JDMs13 BANNED Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New England Age: 37 Posts: 271 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	on the Ca18DET same case get the DE FWD cams some adj sprockets and regrind on the cams do some work on the motor and very easly you can have a motor that would be easly over 240hp +[/QUOTE] If I ever cammed my CA and installed adj cam gears, Im pretty sure Id be shooting for a number much higher than 240. Anyways, are s15 BB turbos a better upgrade for the CA, say than the s14 turbo?

08-21-2005, 05:05 AM	#27
liv2drift045 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicagoland Age: 38 Posts: 1,483 Trader Rating: (7) Rides Gallery: liv2drift045 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	not necissarily(sp) its gonna take a little bit longer to spool...but thats really the only draw back i can see...its newer...so i guess it may be a better idea..its is cheap new...i just went ahead and got a s14 one

08-25-2005, 02:17 PM	#28
SDS14Driver Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southern California Age: 52 Posts: 103 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	This thread my DIE RAH!

08-25-2005, 02:28 PM	#29
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 35 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	If this thread must die why did you just bring it back to life?... __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

08-25-2005, 03:14 PM	#30
sLiDewAys Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2003 Location: San Francisco, Ca Age: 36 Posts: 1,787 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	how did that go. pay less for an older motor, pay more for a newer engine. so u suggest his cheap ass fo buy a s14 sr for... 3200? lmao. + harness conversion cost, + new water pump+ fluids and junk maybe even some new motor mounts and clutch. so 4,000 for a friken swap? lets get a ca motorset for 900 and full rebuild it. see how much more satisfied you;d be. thats just my opinion leave the aluminum bottoms with cans. kat or cat... sr can kiss my blakkas... bandwaggoned "JDM" motor. only reason ppl bu yit cuz it comes from the 180 and "JDM SILVIA" i got a silvia mtor. so.. i got a silvia motor too. thats makes power at 6400rpm stock compared to 6 event.... so i got 202 hp stock.. and i got 175 byatches with plenty reasons why its soo low....oo mine is newer.. yeah and lets count all the blown SR20 threads on this forums history compared to ca or even ka...ooo well my valve cover is better.. yeah and you also have those gay rocker arms and your motor suffers from over stroke......well if sr is soo badd then why do majority of jdm drifters/track drivers use them.... well i cant answer that fully. probly becasue its capable of more peak hp cheaper... ca has cooling issues on high hp appliation.. same with ka and vg... get a koyoand some samco hoses, with som dual electric fans and a pusher then stop whinning.... my ca with exhaust and intake beat an sr with dp and intake.... an you say they are weak... do yourself a favor and pay attention to the growth of ca owners here in us.. catch on early sukkkaaaazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz brandon the nor cal ca-negro

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