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240booster · 10-09-2001, 10:59 AM

Hey I was just wondering y u can put a turbo on some engines and u can't on others??    All it is is forced induction what does that have to do with the engine???

*LanceS13* · 10-09-2001, 11:11 AM

Some engines just don't have strong enough internals to handle the extra stress.  Some motors have too high compression.  However, with enough modification probably any engine could prepped to handle a turbo....just might not be worth it.

vancouvers14 · 10-09-2001, 12:47 PM

i've seen a supercharged hyundai accent.  any car can be turbod

*transient* · 10-09-2001, 02:31 PM

One thing everyone should remember, is there's a difference between whether an engine CAN be turboed and whether it SHOULD be turboed. Every engine can be basically, it's just a question of whether you should.

S13Grl · 10-09-2001, 02:33 PM

Well, I was just gonna post the same thing, but thanks Transient!

konkman · 10-09-2001, 02:39 PM

Supercharger or not, if an accent wants a piece of a 240, I think it's our duty to show them what KA power is all about (or sr if thats your bag).

S13Grl · 10-09-2001, 06:42 PM

Yeah, I gotta admit: that accent thing is pretty weird. Who in their sane mind would invest money on a hyunday?!

NoLimitZ31 · 10-09-2001, 07:03 PM

Reminds me of those 9 second focuses.. why would anyone use a butt ugly slow as #### FF ford focus as a platform to build a racecar??  I mean, you can get them to go fast, but then again you can get any car to do go fast with money.

S13Grl · 10-09-2001, 07:18 PM

Focus is also used as an AWD turbo rally car, so it's not ALL that bad. I wouldn't bash on Ford that much, not all their products suck real bad.

NoLimitZ31 · 10-09-2001, 07:27 PM

Not all that bad... ahhh I tend to disagree because, well, Hyundai has a Tiburon Rally car but that means nothing in terms of their overall image.

And Fords..  I like the old 60s-mid 70s Rustangs, but none of their new cars.  Actually, I DO like the F150... but that's probably the only new Ford I like and it's a truck. (12s truck I might add)

They don't build (American) cars like they used to..

HaloZ · 10-09-2001, 07:36 PM

and the drag Phuckus i mean Focus had been converted to RWD. and has a 3 liter v6 in it. one of then is pulling down mid 7s now. but there are 2 Z32's that pulling down mid 7's also, one in single turbo and the other is twinturbo.

AS FOR any car can be turboed, true. as long and u upgrade the fuel,puter and motor for the extra power made and u have enough room under the hood, it can be done. but for a NA Z to be properly done, it would cost like 6-10k.  depending on used or new parts and how big a turbo u go.

there was a decent artical in *cough* super street *cough* a few months ago (with the 900hp400touq MK4 with a 4 cylender on the cover) that had a good FAQ for turboing cars. it was titled "8 dumb questions of turbochargeing"

misnomer · 10-09-2001, 09:01 PM

For the record, I don't mind the Focus. But enough about other cars. I think Imma turbo my lawnmower <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

240booster · 10-09-2001, 11:32 PM

I was for some reason thinking that turbo engines were built different internally inorder to be customized specifically for the forced induction and NA motors were built specifically for NA. LOL im sure i heard that from some back woods redneck idiot though who didn't know a turbo from the hole in is ass too so, lmao i guess i was just wondering.

misnomer · 10-09-2001, 11:33 PM

Hey, you leave us rednecks alone!! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

*LanceS13* · 10-09-2001, 11:49 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from 240booster on 12:32 am on Oct. 10, 2001
I was for some reason thinking that turbo engines were built different internally inorder to be customized specifically for the forced induction and NA motors were built specifically for NA. LOL im sure i heard that from some back woods redneck idiot though who didn't know a turbo from the hole in is ass too so, lmao i guess i was just wondering.
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Any motor needs strong internals in order to produce well above average horsepower.  The difference between a motor setup for turbo and one setup for NA usually lies in the compression (piston shape) and also probabaly cams, timing, and air/fuel map (ecu).

nguyen · 10-10-2001, 05:48 PM

just to be clear. The ford F150 lightning SVT does not run 12's it 13.2's

*LanceS13* · 10-10-2001, 05:50 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from nguyen on 6:48 pm on Oct. 10, 2001
just to be clear. The ford F150 lightning SVT does not run 12's it 13.2's</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I thought that sounded a little fast...but I didn't know for sure so I didn't say anything.  13.2 is still blazing for a truck...well, for any car for that matter.

my240likenoother · 10-10-2001, 05:54 PM

a friend of mine has a focus its a nice little cheep car he has crazy work dont to it and he is looking into turdoing it

HaloZ · 10-10-2001, 08:23 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from 240booster on 12:32 am on Oct. 10, 2001
I was for some reason thinking that turbo engines were built different internally inorder to be customized specifically for the forced induction and NA motors were built specifically for NA. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

they are. typical turbo motors are 8.5/1 compression and for example the TTZ motor has different(stonger) exhaust valves for the high HP and everything that goes along with it

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from LanceS13 on 1:49 am on Oct. 10, 2001
and also probabaly cams, timing, and air/fuel map (ecu).
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

ironicly the NA (MT&auto) and TTZ (MT) have the same cams. the TT autos have different cams. just thought i would add that. but yeah fuel mappiung for sure sense there is more air being inducted in to the motor the fuel has to match it or u run the risk of damaging it pretty bad with detanation.

240booster · 10-11-2001, 03:32 PM

AAAHHHHHAAAA!!! i read in the "Turbo" magazine today about turbo engines. It was comparing the SR20DET to some honda engines or something like that, but neway it was explaining (don't quote me on this) how the water jackets on the heads on a turbo engine r different therefore allowing better cooling capabilities ... although it just said that this made NA engines a little harder to turbo but it was still possible.

vancouvers14 · 10-11-2001, 04:07 PM

that focus drag car isn't really a focus.  you cant just keep the body and call it the same car.

as for ford, their cars are very unreliable.  anyone who has ever owned one will tell you that.  

240sxnewbie · 10-11-2001, 04:27 PM

my fiance has a ford zx2. it bites the big one.  i've put so much money in that car, it's not even funny.  I had an escort wagon as a first car. i placed two ten inch subs in the car, turned on the radio...and cracked all the windows..FORD- (F)ound (O)n the ®oad (D)ead or (F)ix (O)r ®epair (D)aily.

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10-09-2001, 10:59 AM	#1
240booster Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 245 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hey I was just wondering y u can put a turbo on some engines and u can't on others??    All it is is forced induction what does that have to do with the engine???

10-09-2001, 11:11 AM	#2
LanceS13 AutoX Junkie Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: MS Age: 39 Posts: 2,044 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Some engines just don't have strong enough internals to handle the extra stress.  Some motors have too high compression.  However, with enough modification probably any engine could prepped to handle a turbo....just might not be worth it.

10-09-2001, 12:47 PM	#3
vancouvers14 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 868 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i've seen a supercharged hyundai accent.  any car can be turbod

10-09-2001, 02:31 PM	#4
transient Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Los Angeles, California Age: 37 Posts: 2,947 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	One thing everyone should remember, is there's a difference between whether an engine CAN be turboed and whether it SHOULD be turboed. Every engine can be basically, it's just a question of whether you should.

10-09-2001, 02:33 PM	#5
S13Grl Married to the Mob Join Date: Dec 2000 Age: 40 Posts: 3,670 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well, I was just gonna post the same thing, but thanks Transient!

10-09-2001, 02:39 PM	#6
konkman Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 534 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Supercharger or not, if an accent wants a piece of a 240, I think it's our duty to show them what KA power is all about (or sr if thats your bag).

10-09-2001, 06:42 PM	#7
S13Grl Married to the Mob Join Date: Dec 2000 Age: 40 Posts: 3,670 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yeah, I gotta admit: that accent thing is pretty weird. Who in their sane mind would invest money on a hyunday?!

10-09-2001, 07:03 PM	#8
NoLimitZ31 Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 7 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Reminds me of those 9 second focuses.. why would anyone use a butt ugly slow as #### FF ford focus as a platform to build a racecar??  I mean, you can get them to go fast, but then again you can get any car to do go fast with money.

10-09-2001, 07:18 PM	#9
S13Grl Married to the Mob Join Date: Dec 2000 Age: 40 Posts: 3,670 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Focus is also used as an AWD turbo rally car, so it's not ALL that bad. I wouldn't bash on Ford that much, not all their products suck real bad.

10-09-2001, 07:27 PM	#10
NoLimitZ31 Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 7 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Not all that bad... ahhh I tend to disagree because, well, Hyundai has a Tiburon Rally car but that means nothing in terms of their overall image. And Fords..  I like the old 60s-mid 70s Rustangs, but none of their new cars.  Actually, I DO like the F150... but that's probably the only new Ford I like and it's a truck. (12s truck I might add) They don't build (American) cars like they used to..

10-09-2001, 07:36 PM	#11
HaloZ Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Corpus Christi & San Antonio Tx Age: 45 Posts: 231 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	and the drag Phuckus i mean Focus had been converted to RWD. and has a 3 liter v6 in it. one of then is pulling down mid 7s now. but there are 2 Z32's that pulling down mid 7's also, one in single turbo and the other is twinturbo. AS FOR any car can be turboed, true. as long and u upgrade the fuel,puter and motor for the extra power made and u have enough room under the hood, it can be done. but for a NA Z to be properly done, it would cost like 6-10k.  depending on used or new parts and how big a turbo u go. there was a decent artical in cough super street cough a few months ago (with the 900hp400touq MK4 with a 4 cylender on the cover) that had a good FAQ for turboing cars. it was titled "8 dumb questions of turbochargeing"

10-09-2001, 09:01 PM	#12
misnomer Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Nevada Posts: 2,293 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	For the record, I don't mind the Focus. But enough about other cars. I think Imma turbo my lawnmower <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

10-09-2001, 11:32 PM	#13
240booster Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 245 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I was for some reason thinking that turbo engines were built different internally inorder to be customized specifically for the forced induction and NA motors were built specifically for NA. LOL im sure i heard that from some back woods redneck idiot though who didn't know a turbo from the hole in is ass too so, lmao i guess i was just wondering.

10-09-2001, 11:33 PM	#14
misnomer Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Nevada Posts: 2,293 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hey, you leave us rednecks alone!! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

10-09-2001, 11:49 PM	#15
LanceS13 AutoX Junkie Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: MS Age: 39 Posts: 2,044 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from 240booster on 12:32 am on Oct. 10, 2001 I was for some reason thinking that turbo engines were built different internally inorder to be customized specifically for the forced induction and NA motors were built specifically for NA. LOL im sure i heard that from some back woods redneck idiot though who didn't know a turbo from the hole in is ass too so, lmao i guess i was just wondering. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Any motor needs strong internals in order to produce well above average horsepower.  The difference between a motor setup for turbo and one setup for NA usually lies in the compression (piston shape) and also probabaly cams, timing, and air/fuel map (ecu).

10-10-2001, 05:48 PM	#16
nguyen Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 72 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	just to be clear. The ford F150 lightning SVT does not run 12's it 13.2's

10-10-2001, 05:50 PM	#17
LanceS13 AutoX Junkie Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: MS Age: 39 Posts: 2,044 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from nguyen on 6:48 pm on Oct. 10, 2001 just to be clear. The ford F150 lightning SVT does not run 12's it 13.2's</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> I thought that sounded a little fast...but I didn't know for sure so I didn't say anything.  13.2 is still blazing for a truck...well, for any car for that matter.

10-10-2001, 05:54 PM	#18
my240likenoother Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,261 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	a friend of mine has a focus its a nice little cheep car he has crazy work dont to it and he is looking into turdoing it

10-10-2001, 08:23 PM	#19
HaloZ Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Corpus Christi & San Antonio Tx Age: 45 Posts: 231 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from 240booster on 12:32 am on Oct. 10, 2001 I was for some reason thinking that turbo engines were built different internally inorder to be customized specifically for the forced induction and NA motors were built specifically for NA. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> they are. typical turbo motors are 8.5/1 compression and for example the TTZ motor has different(stonger) exhaust valves for the high HP and everything that goes along with it </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from LanceS13 on 1:49 am on Oct. 10, 2001 and also probabaly cams, timing, and air/fuel map (ecu). </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> ironicly the NA (MT&auto) and TTZ (MT) have the same cams. the TT autos have different cams. just thought i would add that. but yeah fuel mappiung for sure sense there is more air being inducted in to the motor the fuel has to match it or u run the risk of damaging it pretty bad with detanation.

10-11-2001, 03:32 PM	#20
240booster Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 245 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	AAAHHHHHAAAA!!! i read in the "Turbo" magazine today about turbo engines. It was comparing the SR20DET to some honda engines or something like that, but neway it was explaining (don't quote me on this) how the water jackets on the heads on a turbo engine r different therefore allowing better cooling capabilities ... although it just said that this made NA engines a little harder to turbo but it was still possible.

10-11-2001, 04:07 PM	#21
vancouvers14 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 868 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	that focus drag car isn't really a focus.  you cant just keep the body and call it the same car. as for ford, their cars are very unreliable.  anyone who has ever owned one will tell you that.

10-11-2001, 04:27 PM	#22
240sxnewbie Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 74 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	my fiance has a ford zx2. it bites the big one.  i've put so much money in that car, it's not even funny.  I had an escort wagon as a first car. i placed two ten inch subs in the car, turned on the radio...and cracked all the windows..FORD- (F)ound (O)n the ®oad (D)ead or (F)ix (O)r ®epair (D)aily.