KA-t VS. RB25 (or something that will beat a srt8 300c) - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

toast240sx · 07-31-2012, 01:41 PM

I need to know which of the 2 engines would be better to get and build to race a Chrysler 300 SRT-8... Obviously the RB would be better but would it be better to just build the KA i have now or just buy a RBx and build that??

DJ-of-E · 07-31-2012, 01:49 PM

My vote would be to buy a Mustang GT. Then again, I'm not a fan of using a 240sx as a drag car.

toast240sx · 07-31-2012, 01:52 PM

well not just drag race but like running them on the interstat

Ratpack_Chad · 07-31-2012, 01:52 PM

This should be interesting.

Highway Riding · 07-31-2012, 02:12 PM

So you got owned by a SRT-8 and wanna build something to romp on it? OP it's ok it was a V8 it happens...

toast240sx · 07-31-2012, 02:16 PM

no my buddy just got it and thinks its the best thing in the world and i want him to get stomped by a tuner. ive got a bone stock KA right ow that i can start building but i wanted to knowif it wuld just me money to go ahead and buy a RB

starfire240 · 07-31-2012, 02:22 PM

You can build anything to beat a v8. Where there is money and will power, there is a way.

Sileighty_85 · 07-31-2012, 03:41 PM

hmm let see, an engine that can handle up to 500 stock or an engine that will blow up around 300...

But really depends on how poor you are.

DJDANGER24 · 07-31-2012, 04:00 PM

^^What he said, a stock block RB with GT35, good EMS and supporting mods can walk on a lot of high powered cars.

You think this car can take an SRT8 ?

shiftdrift · 07-31-2012, 04:18 PM

i mean, a stock KA with a t28 at 10 lbs could probably walk an srt8 300....

said car, stock ka, t28 with cobra maf and JWT ecu.

alixander2012 · 07-31-2012, 04:37 PM

Bet that supra's like "Hey man you cheated, or hey man I didn't hook the 60 ft." lol

Mr.Clerc · 07-31-2012, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by toast240sx

no my buddy just got it and thinks its the best thing in the world and i want him to get stomped by a tuner. ive got a bone stock KA right ow that i can start building but i wanted to knowif it wuld just me money to go ahead and buy a RB

Im soooo happy this was posted haha my boy loves his srt-8 jeep and thinks its a rocket ship (it kinda is) but my ka will be boosted in about 2 weeks, just bought a full kit for it so i'll let you know how she does against him haha but if you have the dough rb all the way but they ain't cheap

booey13 · 07-31-2012, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sileighty_85

hmm let see, an engine that can handle up to 500 stock or an engine that will blow up around 300...

But really depends on how poor you are.

Stock ka's can hold 500. How long though is a different story but it's been done numerous times. The stock block record is like 570 something.

zerodameaon · 07-31-2012, 05:03 PM

What does it matter your racing on the streets, hopefully one of you will get pulled over and arrested before anyone gets hurt. Toast go read the forum rules and get back to us.

shiftdrift · 07-31-2012, 05:05 PM

oh no street racing, the thing that everyone does....but everyone acts like they don't do.

godsmack · 07-31-2012, 05:06 PM

^ beat me to it. just go buy yourself a damn honda and be done with it

booey13 · 07-31-2012, 05:11 PM

Exactly why I'm building a 240. To "stomp" jeeps and 300s. Smh

zerodameaon · 07-31-2012, 05:20 PM

Its more of the "Hey look at me I want to build my car to street race my buddy."

spooled240 · 07-31-2012, 05:38 PM

these american cars have what, almost 1000lb on our s-chassis's? lol Just match their 425hp and you'll smoke them

some dude in a jeep srt8 was revving at me today and I though of how I could beat an AWD V8 car like that.... I'm thinking a big turbo and playing catch up

Sileighty_85 · 07-31-2012, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by booey13

Stock ka's can hold 500. How long though is a different story but it's been done numerous times. The stock block record is like 570 something.

if it blows up that means it cant hold it....

booey13 · 07-31-2012, 06:35 PM

It's all in the tune. Not much you can do when you start bending rods. Stock ka's can hold 300 easy unlike you said.

godsmack · 07-31-2012, 06:41 PM

he's just saying that it's more effective to go rb25 than to build a ka and worry about it breaking. they will hold 300hp but once you start going above 400hp you need to start doing too much work to them in order to hold together for awhile.

Sileighty_85 · 07-31-2012, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by booey13

It's all in the tune. Not much you can do when you start bending rods. Stock ka's can hold 300 easy unlike you said.

Yes it is all in the tune. To an extent. You cant put a 500hp tune on an engine that can physically only handle 300.

Yes you can do something about, its call not being a cheap ass and doing it right by replacing the rods and pistons, Rather than slapping a $400 turbo kit on a 150,000+ mile engine.

stinky_180 · 07-31-2012, 06:46 PM

rofl... just put the engine from the Chrysler 300 SRT-8 into the 240sx

booey13 · 07-31-2012, 06:48 PM

I guess it all depends on your definition of effective. Obviously overall engine condition will play a major part and iirc op was worried about cost.

booey13 · 07-31-2012, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sileighty_85

Yes it is all in the tune. To an extent. You cant put a 500hp tune on an engine that can physically only handle 300.

Yes you can do something about, its call not being a cheap ass and doing it right by replacing the rods and pistons, Rather than slapping a $400 turbo kit on a 150,000+ mile engine.

Not to get your panties in a bunch but you'd obviously want to do the same when doubling the horsepower on a stock rb25. If you want to do things "right" that is. And as I already said op mentioned cost being a factor.

Sileighty_85 · 07-31-2012, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by booey13

Not to get your panties in a bunch but you'd obviously want to do the same when doubling the horsepower on a stock rb25. If you want to do things "right" that is. And as I already said op mentioned cost being a factor.

lol the guy is talking about wanting to beat a Chrysler 300 SRT-8. Which is rated at 425 crank, so with the power of math we can see that there is no need to double the power capabilities of the RB seeing that it can handle over 500 stock and that a S-Chassis with have a better power to weight ratio.

So your argument is moot.

Thanks for playing.

booey13 · 07-31-2012, 07:24 PM

Moot? My point exactly. 300-350hp in a 240 (easily attainable with the stock ka) should be able to beat an srt8 300. For the third time I'm going to mention op was concerned with cost. In no way am I talking down on the rb25 or insulting your intelligence. Consider everything that comes along with an rb25 swap. Becomes pretty pricey when you can turbo a ka. And for the record guys have turbocharged ka's with 200k+ and had far from disappointing results.

Sileighty_85 · 07-31-2012, 07:31 PM

maybe its just me but I would never boost a High mileage N/A engine. Unless it was for shits and gigs to destroy on the track.

The price of properly building a KA-T would probably be around the same price as properly swapping in a RB engine, so it really boils down to preference.

booey13 · 07-31-2012, 07:33 PM

^this I can agree with you on. Haha

07-31-2012, 01:41 PM	#1
toast240sx Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Alabama Age: 30 Posts: 8 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	KA-t VS. RB25 (or something that will beat a srt8 300c) I need to know which of the 2 engines would be better to get and build to race a Chrysler 300 SRT-8... Obviously the RB would be better but would it be better to just build the KA i have now or just buy a RBx and build that??

07-31-2012, 02:12 PM	#5
Highway Riding Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Out on the Highway! Posts: 602 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	So you got owned by a SRT-8 and wanna build something to romp on it? OP it's ok it was a V8 it happens... __________________ The Sun Rises in the East!

07-31-2012, 02:22 PM	#7
starfire240 Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: florida Posts: 51 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You can build anything to beat a v8. Where there is money and will power, there is a way. __________________ I wish 240s came FWD and with VTEC...

07-31-2012, 03:41 PM	#8
Sileighty_85 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Misawa, Japan Posts: 6,815 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	hmm let see, an engine that can handle up to 500 stock or an engine that will blow up around 300... But really depends on how poor you are. __________________ 後輪駆動車１番 1989 Built SR GT2871R -363whp 1998 S14 W/RB25- 250ish (For Now) 1986 SR86 - 200ish 1990 R32 GTR - 320hp Don't Buy Engines from JDM-Online http://zilvia.net/f/businesses/207457-jdm-online.html Don't Buy XS-Power or SSAC Shit

07-31-2012, 04:00 PM	#9
DJDANGER24 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: San Diego (Fletcher Hills), CA Age: 36 Posts: 2,439 Trader Rating: (10) Feedback Score: 10 reviews	^^What he said, a stock block RB with GT35, good EMS and supporting mods can walk on a lot of high powered cars. You think this car can take an SRT8 ? __________________ Built RB25 - RB The World - Vertex Everything @RBVertexRidge

07-31-2012, 01:52 PM	#3
toast240sx Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Alabama Age: 30 Posts: 8 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	well not just drag race but like running them on the interstat

07-31-2012, 01:52 PM	#4
Ratpack_Chad Zilvia Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: San Jose, Ca Age: 32 Posts: 211 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	This should be interesting.

07-31-2012, 02:16 PM	#6
toast240sx Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Alabama Age: 30 Posts: 8 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	no my buddy just got it and thinks its the best thing in the world and i want him to get stomped by a tuner. ive got a bone stock KA right ow that i can start building but i wanted to knowif it wuld just me money to go ahead and buy a RB

07-31-2012, 04:18 PM	#10
shiftdrift Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: indiana Age: 31 Posts: 2,242 Trader Rating: (42) Feedback Score: 42 reviews	i mean, a stock KA with a t28 at 10 lbs could probably walk an srt8 300.... said car, stock ka, t28 with cobra maf and JWT ecu. __________________ SW Fab

07-31-2012, 04:37 PM	#11
alixander2012 BANNED Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Alabama Age: 37 Posts: 32 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Bet that supra's like "Hey man you cheated, or hey man I didn't hook the 60 ft." lol

07-31-2012, 05:05 PM	#15
shiftdrift Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: indiana Age: 31 Posts: 2,242 Trader Rating: (42) Feedback Score: 42 reviews	oh no street racing, the thing that everyone does....but everyone acts like they don't do. __________________ SW Fab

07-31-2012, 05:06 PM	#16
godsmack Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Allentown, PA Age: 36 Posts: 652 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^ beat me to it. just go buy yourself a damn honda and be done with it

07-31-2012, 05:11 PM	#17
booey13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Midwest Age: 31 Posts: 1,401 Trader Rating: (91) Feedback Score: 91 reviews	Exactly why I'm building a 240. To "stomp" jeeps and 300s. Smh __________________ www.monkeyboysyo.blogspot.com

07-31-2012, 05:38 PM	#19
spooled240 Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 4,138 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	these american cars have what, almost 1000lb on our s-chassis's? lol Just match their 425hp and you'll smoke them some dude in a jeep srt8 was revving at me today and I though of how I could beat an AWD V8 car like that.... I'm thinking a big turbo and playing catch up

07-31-2012, 06:35 PM	#21
booey13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Midwest Age: 31 Posts: 1,401 Trader Rating: (91) Feedback Score: 91 reviews	It's all in the tune. Not much you can do when you start bending rods. Stock ka's can hold 300 easy unlike you said. __________________ www.monkeyboysyo.blogspot.com

07-31-2012, 06:41 PM	#22
godsmack Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Allentown, PA Age: 36 Posts: 652 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	he's just saying that it's more effective to go rb25 than to build a ka and worry about it breaking. they will hold 300hp but once you start going above 400hp you need to start doing too much work to them in order to hold together for awhile.

07-31-2012, 06:46 PM	#24
stinky_180 Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pale Blue Dot Age: 36 Posts: 2,064 Trader Rating: (26) Feedback Score: 26 reviews	rofl... just put the engine from the Chrysler 300 SRT-8 into the 240sx __________________ SoCal RallyX Coverage and MTB Ride Reports WheelsDirty

07-31-2012, 06:48 PM	#25
booey13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Midwest Age: 31 Posts: 1,401 Trader Rating: (91) Feedback Score: 91 reviews	I guess it all depends on your definition of effective. Obviously overall engine condition will play a major part and iirc op was worried about cost. __________________ www.monkeyboysyo.blogspot.com

07-31-2012, 07:24 PM	#28
booey13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Midwest Age: 31 Posts: 1,401 Trader Rating: (91) Feedback Score: 91 reviews	Moot? My point exactly. 300-350hp in a 240 (easily attainable with the stock ka) should be able to beat an srt8 300. For the third time I'm going to mention op was concerned with cost. In no way am I talking down on the rb25 or insulting your intelligence. Consider everything that comes along with an rb25 swap. Becomes pretty pricey when you can turbo a ka. And for the record guys have turbocharged ka's with 200k+ and had far from disappointing results. __________________ www.monkeyboysyo.blogspot.com

07-31-2012, 07:31 PM	#29
Sileighty_85 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Misawa, Japan Posts: 6,815 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	maybe its just me but I would never boost a High mileage N/A engine. Unless it was for shits and gigs to destroy on the track. The price of properly building a KA-T would probably be around the same price as properly swapping in a RB engine, so it really boils down to preference. __________________ 後輪駆動車１番 1989 Built SR GT2871R -363whp 1998 S14 W/RB25- 250ish (For Now) 1986 SR86 - 200ish 1990 R32 GTR - 320hp Don't Buy Engines from JDM-Online http://zilvia.net/f/businesses/207457-jdm-online.html Don't Buy XS-Power or SSAC Shit

07-31-2012, 07:33 PM	#30
booey13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Midwest Age: 31 Posts: 1,401 Trader Rating: (91) Feedback Score: 91 reviews	^this I can agree with you on. Haha __________________ www.monkeyboysyo.blogspot.com

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