Alignment question s13 (drift) - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

word sux · 04-11-2011, 08:55 PM

I was wonder what should whats a good starting point for caster. I am gonna play with it and figure out what I like so should I just set it at stock then bump it up from there?? I have hear 6.5 to 7 degree's is optimal for an s13.

any input?

the car has adj traction, toe, tension, and ruca's.

no bench racers please

herbieS13 · 04-11-2011, 09:16 PM

you should make it match stock and then drive it to like pep boys or discount tire, firestone, really anywhere that does alignments

word sux · 04-12-2011, 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by herbieS13

you should make it match stock and then drive it to like pep boys or discount tire, firestone, really anywhere that does alignments

yea thats exactly what I am not going to do

word sux · 04-14-2011, 02:19 AM

really

100+ views and no real answers??

azndummie · 04-14-2011, 12:30 PM

caster +6-9 in my opinion with slight toe out about 1/8 inch and 3 degrees camber in the front. in the rear i would keep toe either zeroed or toe in a slight slight bit with 0-2 degrees of camber.

WISH ONE · 04-14-2011, 02:00 PM

Toe out in Front??? really?

mrchomponthis · 04-14-2011, 08:14 PM

toe out looks cool DUH

Quote:

Originally Posted by WISH ONE

Toe out in Front??? really?

KOME · 04-15-2011, 09:37 PM

Toe in the front a couple of inches so you never lose control. And then toe out the back just to balance out your whole setup. This well GREATLY help with keeping control during powerslides and help initiate drifts. Also positive camber is good camber. Shazam, that's my 2 cents. 2 cents worth millions.

Good luck. :]

WISH ONE · 04-16-2011, 03:45 AM

that sounds crazy but ok sure.

statickx991 · 04-16-2011, 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WISH ONE

that sounds crazy but ok sure.

lol i was thinking the same but ill try it

sincity_sil80 · 04-16-2011, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KOME

Toe in the front a couple of inches so you never lose control. And then toe out the back just to balance out your whole setup. This well GREATLY help with keeping control during powerslides and help initiate drifts. Also positive camber is good camber. Shazam, that's my 2 cents. 2 cents worth millions.

Good luck. :]

thats sarcasm right? at least i hope it is

fckillerbee · 04-16-2011, 02:30 PM

wow....

how much power you putting down?

zero toe all around

half a degree to a full degree in the rear. as much neg camber in the front as you can get.

valve timing · 04-16-2011, 03:50 PM

im running stock sr turbo elbow full dp and exhaust im hopefully making 200 whp running 6.5 degrees of caster 2.5 neg camber in front 1 degree toe out thne in the rear 1 degree toe in 1 degree of neg camber on 235 17 45 tires on all 4 corners

Carbomb · 04-16-2011, 07:15 PM

frpont
3.5 camper
toe 0
caster 8

rear
camber -.5
toe 0
traction rod 10mm shorter then oem.

this is a alignment i got from a buddy who drives for a living... give it a go.

Imprezive · 04-28-2011, 10:47 PM

Wow, just wow.

sr20sean · 04-29-2011, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toadstool

frpont
3.5 camper
toe 0
caster 8

rear
camber -.5
toe 0
traction rod 10mm shorter then oem.

this is a alignment i got from a buddy who drives for a living... give it a go.

im going to end up using this setup

roboticnissan · 04-29-2011, 12:50 AM

Is that much negative camber really needed for.drifting?

ericcastro · 04-29-2011, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roboticnissan

Is that much negative camber really needed for.drifting?

I dont think so.

*s13 @ fullboost* · 04-29-2011, 10:19 AM

this thread is pure win lol

NissanEnthus · 04-29-2011, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by word sux

I was wonder what should whats a good starting point for caster. I am gonna play with it and figure out what I like so should I just set it at stock then bump it up from there?? I have hear 6.5 to 7 degree's is optimal for an s13.

any input?

the car has adj traction, toe, tension, and ruca's.

no bench racers please

I like that you specifically ask for no bench racers (which may be more educated than you)....Yet your gonna go play with it.....LOL

My 2 cents for a good "starting point" is taking it to a professional and possibly save the general public from injury...

ericcastro · 04-29-2011, 11:34 AM

I ran stock street settings for about 3 or 4 years.
i only recently started messing with it a little.
But I just have my guy Adrian give me something between drift and street.

roboticnissan · 04-30-2011, 12:51 PM

With increased caster you get increased camber under cornering so there is no need to have like 3 degrees of negative camber.

fckillerbee · 04-30-2011, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roboticnissan

Is that much negative camber really needed for.drifting?

needing to drift, and drifting professional are two different questions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericcastro

I dont think so.

*think

You don't NEED any amount of camber/caster/toe settings to get a car to drift.

If you want a professional setup, I gave you one.

If you want to slide the car around, any setting will allow you to do that.

Letting the car drift easier, is what the alignment setting is going to do.

More camber in the rear= less contact patch= less traction/forward grip

More camber in the front=more contact patch under full lock=easier control mid drift

Toe is a touchy subject, and should only be used in competition, and I cannot give you a base for tuning that as power/ suspension mods/ ride height/ tire size and compound all effect what toe settings you should have. It's like asking for aero tips, but you aren't going to time your laps.

And even then, it's to some drivers preference. I prefer full tire contact at full lock vs dai looks like he's running minimal camber (which means better turn in, less contact at full lock, which allows for less friction coming from the front tires...it'll allow you to get more four wheel drift action/backwards driving/ cool drifting...down side is under full lock, the one with more contact patch gets better grip coming around a turn.

There is only so much rear traction being made at any given point.

so what was the question again? Oh yes...alignment specs. It's your preference/ what you want done. If you are looking for a base setup, anything will work. When you are starting to compete....that's when you want to start looking into go pro's and filming your suspension movements.

blacktrash · 04-30-2011, 02:53 PM

0 camber front and rear. ( gotta be hella flush right?)
+5 toe front
4 caster

-5 toe rear

i work at auto zone guys , leave this thread to me.

sr20sean · 04-30-2011, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

needing to drift, and drifting professional are two different questions.

*think

You don't NEED any amount of camber/caster/toe settings to get a car to drift.

If you want a professional setup, I gave you one.

If you want to slide the car around, any setting will allow you to do that.

Letting the car drift easier, is what the alignment setting is going to do.

More camber in the rear= less contact patch= less traction/forward grip

More camber in the front=more contact patch under full lock=easier control mid drift

Toe is a touchy subject, and should only be used in competition, and I cannot give you a base for tuning that as power/ suspension mods/ ride height/ tire size and compound all effect what toe settings you should have. It's like asking for aero tips, but you aren't going to time your laps.

And even then, it's to some drivers preference. I prefer full tire contact at full lock vs dai looks like he's running minimal camber (which means better turn in, less contact at full lock, which allows for less friction coming from the front tires...it'll allow you to get more four wheel drift action/backwards driving/ cool drifting...down side is under full lock, the one with more contact patch gets better grip coming around a turn.

There is only so much rear traction being made at any given point.

so what was the question again? Oh yes...alignment specs. It's your preference/ what you want done. If you are looking for a base setup, anything will work. When you are starting to compete....that's when you want to start looking into go pro's and filming your suspension movements.

i know some people with higher power settings run very tiny toe in for foreward push.

Quote:

Originally Posted by blacktrash

0 camber front and rear. ( gotta be hella flush right?)
+5 toe front
4 caster

-5 toe rear

i work at auto zone guys , leave this thread to me.

jesse_s13 · 04-30-2011, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blacktrash

0 camber front and rear. ( gotta be hella flush right?)
+5 toe front
4 caster

-5 toe rear

i work at auto zone guys , leave this thread to me.

i heard kragen guys were a bit smarter

KOME · 04-30-2011, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blacktrash

0 camber front and rear. ( gotta be hella flush right?)
+5 toe front
4 caster

-5 toe rear

i work at auto zone guys , leave this thread to me.

I hope this doesn't break my car...

*!Zar!* · 05-02-2011, 06:12 PM

Front
Toe 1/16 toe out
Camber -2.5*
Caster 6.5*

Rear
Toe 0
Camber 1.5
Thrust stock

Front camber should be set at whatever yields the most contact patch at lock.

Rear camber depends on setup as well. I have found that rear camber on a car can actually increase grip when the body rolls.

Caster is drivers preference.

Rear toe depends on power/tire setup.

gobackwards · 05-02-2011, 06:45 PM

Caster does affect the contact patch but for someone just starting to drift, it more importantly affects how the steering wheel returns imo. I like to chuck the steering wheel and feed it myself so a lower caster setting works better for me. Some people prefer to let go of the wheel and let the car transition itself. Of course there's other factors... camber/toe/tires

My setup is like..

Front
Camber -4
1/4 inch toe out
7ish caster

Rear
0 toe
-2 camber

It sucks... I need more grip

Krimlin · 05-03-2011, 04:22 AM

When I was running the KA:

Front:
Camber: -5.5*
Toe: 0*
Caster: OEM

Rear:
Camber: -2.5*
Toe: -2.5*
Caster: LOL*

V8:
-5.5*
0*
9

-1.5*
0*
LOL

04-11-2011, 08:55 PM	#1
word sux Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: earth Age: 59 Posts: 1,138 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Alignment question s13 (drift) I was wonder what should whats a good starting point for caster. I am gonna play with it and figure out what I like so should I just set it at stock then bump it up from there?? I have hear 6.5 to 7 degree's is optimal for an s13. any input? the car has adj traction, toe, tension, and ruca's. no bench racers please Last edited by word sux; 04-12-2011 at 05:17 AM..

04-14-2011, 02:19 AM	#4
word sux Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: earth Age: 59 Posts: 1,138 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	really 100+ views and no real answers?? Last edited by word sux; 04-14-2011 at 02:49 AM..

04-14-2011, 12:30 PM	#5
azndummie Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: orange county Posts: 1,362 Trader Rating: (14) Feedback Score: 14 reviews	caster +6-9 in my opinion with slight toe out about 1/8 inch and 3 degrees camber in the front. in the rear i would keep toe either zeroed or toe in a slight slight bit with 0-2 degrees of camber. __________________

04-14-2011, 02:00 PM	#6
WISH ONE Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: orange county ca Posts: 2,738 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	Toe out in Front??? really? __________________ PARTING/SELLING MY COUPE. PM ME.

04-16-2011, 03:45 AM	#9
WISH ONE Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: orange county ca Posts: 2,738 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	that sounds crazy but ok sure. __________________ PARTING/SELLING MY COUPE. PM ME.

04-11-2011, 09:16 PM	#2
herbieS13 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: FT Campbell, KY. Posts: 329 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	you should make it match stock and then drive it to like pep boys or discount tire, firestone, really anywhere that does alignments

04-15-2011, 09:37 PM	#8
KOME Zilvia Addict Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: En mi casa Age: 30 Posts: 619 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Toe in the front a couple of inches so you never lose control. And then toe out the back just to balance out your whole setup. This well GREATLY help with keeping control during powerslides and help initiate drifts. Also positive camber is good camber. Shazam, that's my 2 cents. 2 cents worth millions. Good luck. :]

04-16-2011, 02:30 PM	#12
fckillerbee Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern California Age: 36 Posts: 4,266 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	wow.... how much power you putting down? zero toe all around half a degree to a full degree in the rear. as much neg camber in the front as you can get.

04-16-2011, 03:50 PM	#13
valve timing Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: cincinnati ohio Age: 39 Posts: 69 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	im running stock sr turbo elbow full dp and exhaust im hopefully making 200 whp running 6.5 degrees of caster 2.5 neg camber in front 1 degree toe out thne in the rear 1 degree toe in 1 degree of neg camber on 235 17 45 tires on all 4 corners

04-16-2011, 07:15 PM	#14
Carbomb Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USA Age: 33 Posts: 318 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	frpont 3.5 camper toe 0 caster 8 rear camber -.5 toe 0 traction rod 10mm shorter then oem. this is a alignment i got from a buddy who drives for a living... give it a go.

04-28-2011, 10:47 PM	#15
Imprezive Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 44 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Wow, just wow.

04-29-2011, 12:50 AM	#17
roboticnissan Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: SOCAL/NORCAL Age: 32 Posts: 1,867 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	Is that much negative camber really needed for.drifting? __________________

04-29-2011, 10:19 AM	#19
s13 @ fullboost Spirit Of Ecstasy Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Simi Valley, CA Posts: 2,531 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	this thread is pure win lol __________________

04-30-2011, 12:51 PM	#22
roboticnissan Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: SOCAL/NORCAL Age: 32 Posts: 1,867 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	With increased caster you get increased camber under cornering so there is no need to have like 3 degrees of negative camber. __________________

04-30-2011, 02:53 PM	#24
blacktrash Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: atlanta ga Age: 35 Posts: 312 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	0 camber front and rear. ( gotta be hella flush right?) +5 toe front 4 caster -5 toe rear i work at auto zone guys , leave this thread to me.

05-02-2011, 06:12 PM	#28
!Zar! Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,576 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	Front Toe 1/16 toe out Camber -2.5* Caster 6.5* Rear Toe 0 Camber 1.5 Thrust stock Front camber should be set at whatever yields the most contact patch at lock. Rear camber depends on setup as well. I have found that rear camber on a car can actually increase grip when the body rolls. Caster is drivers preference. Rear toe depends on power/tire setup. __________________

05-02-2011, 06:45 PM	#29
gobackwards Zilvia Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Petaluma CA Posts: 167 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Caster does affect the contact patch but for someone just starting to drift, it more importantly affects how the steering wheel returns imo. I like to chuck the steering wheel and feed it myself so a lower caster setting works better for me. Some people prefer to let go of the wheel and let the car transition itself. Of course there's other factors... camber/toe/tires My setup is like.. Front Camber -4 1/4 inch toe out 7ish caster Rear 0 toe -2 camber It sucks... I need more grip

05-03-2011, 04:22 AM	#30
Krimlin Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 292 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	When I was running the KA: Front: Camber: -5.5* Toe: 0* Caster: OEM Rear: Camber: -2.5* Toe: -2.5* Caster: LOL* V8: -5.5* 0* 9 -1.5* 0* LOL __________________

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