thewholefnshow

Alright, I wanna clarify, I meant nothing against any race of any kind, and anyone on this form who would critisize me for saying gino on a site where rice is word of the day should really think twice. I have a real problem with doing this sort of mod to a car because it is not what it is meant for at all. We have people on here who complain about putting in the rb26dett because it is too heavy. I don't care how you mod your car, a v8 is gonna weigh a lot more, and that will throw the cars near 50/50 balance. Like I said, sure, you will take me in a straight line, but I don't, and never will understand the point of buying a good car, and then sticking a low brow, no tech engine in, when you can put on of the finest engine ever built in. Oh, and the new mustange (even the GT's etc) are only pulling mid 13's at the track stock, an sr20det pulling a few extra pounds of boost with about 275 hp will beat that anyday of the weak, and have that great sound to it of the blowff valve and spool up. Don't call me close minded, I am a nissan enthusiast, not a mustang engthusiast. And Yes I have a tremendous bias against mustangs much like many people here do against civics... yet if someone said exactly what I just did about dropping in a b18 or an h22a there would have been an uproar in here in all likelyhood. Oh, and the all aluminum ls1 engines and the ls6 engines are fine and dandy, and you are comparing agains the all iron ka, the ka is a truck engine, and I must admit a great on eat that. But I am talking true race engines like the sr, the ca and the rb. I used to be a torque fiend and still love the viper for it shear brutality, but I think that there is a lot more to be said about spanking someone with 3 times the displacement, and still being able to cruise down the highway and get decent mileage. And one last thing, if you are going to talk about 350's etc. Then throw out the LS1 and LS6 names, lets get something straight, those are much more upscale, expensive, and technologiacally advanced engines then what I think this thread was originally intended for (the junker 2-400$ 350 at your local dump) so lets compare apples to apples here.

Sorry for pissing some of you off... but I have a right to my own opinion too!

(Edited by thewholefnshow at 7:36 am on Jan. 13, 2002)

misnomer

It's all a matter of opinion, so leave it at that. What got everybody in uproar here was you so aggressively bashing somebody else's opinion. One of the great things about a larger displacement engine is the torque and hp curves. An I4 can't get near the performance range without forced induction, and even then will have rather eratic curves. We've got no problem with you stating your opinion, but being so rude against a valid opinion is just. . .  rude. . . . :-)

It's OK though, we still love ya!

max burke

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Alright, I wanna clarify, I meant nothing against any race of any kind, and anyone on this form who would critisize me for saying gino on a site where rice is word of the day should really think twice. I have a real problem with doing this sort of mod to a car because it is not what it is meant for at all. We have people on here who complain about putting in the rb26dett because it is too heavy. I don't care how you mod your car, a v8 is gonna weigh a lot more, and that will throw the cars near 50/50 balance. Like I said, sure, you will take me in a straight line, but I don't, and never will understand the point of buying a good car, and then sticking a low brow, no tech engine in, when you can put on of the finest engine ever built in. Oh, and the new mustange (even the GT's etc) are only pulling mid 13's at the track stock, an sr20det pulling a few extra pounds of boost with about 275 hp will beat that anyday of the weak, and have that great sound to it of the blowff valve and spool up. Don't call me close minded, I am a nissan enthusiast, not a mustang engthusiast. And Yes I have a tremendous bias against mustangs much like many people here do against civics... yet if someone said exactly what I just did about dropping in a b18 or an h22a there would have been an uproar in here in all likelyhood. Oh, and the all aluminum ls1 engines and the ls6 engines are fine and dandy, and you are comparing agains the all iron ka, the ka is a truck engine, and I must admit a great on eat that. But I am talking true race engines like the sr, the ca and the rb. I used to be a torque fiend and still love the viper for it shear brutality, but I think that there is a lot more to be said about spanking someone with 3 times the displacement, and still being able to cruise down the highway and get decent mileage. And one last thing, if you are going to talk about 350's etc. Then throw out the LS1 and LS6 names, lets get something straight, those are much more upscale, expensive, and technologiacally advanced engines then what I think this thread was originally intended for (the junker 2-400$ 350 at your local dump) so lets compare apples to apples here.
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You're right about the LS1 being much different than your typical junkyard 350 although you can get an LS1+6 speed off of eBay for about the same going price as a blacktop SR. That's about $3000 for all aluminum, individual coil packed goodness topped off with the cherry that is at least 320hp. Gas mileage? The C5 Corvettes get ~26-28mpg highway. Strip out 500-600lbs and that can only get better.

What do you mean by technologically advanced? If you look into the history of engines the overhead cam (specifically dual over head cam) engine came out BEFORE the pushrod engine! The pushrod engine was designed to create as compact of an engine as possible. How can you call the LS1 no-tech? It manages to make 310+ rear wheel horsepower stock and yet it'll deliver 25-26mpg highway in a 3600lb car (Camaro/Firebird) with ease.

By the way, an RB weighs as much, if not more, than the LS1 (which I will refer to from now on) AND has the advantage of being a longer engine, throwing off the weight balance. Speaking of weight distribution, if the car is 50/50 with a KA and you swap in an engine that is just as long, and compensate for the minimally added weight (move the batt, CF hood, etc) it will still be 50/50.

A couple weeks a go there were pictures of a 94-95 Mustang circulating around some of the domestic bulletin boards. It was powered by a Buick Turbo 3.8 because the owner found it was easier to get the power he wanted out of the Buick engine than the Ford. About 95% of the people said it was really cool. The rest were, like yourself, appalled that someone could disgrace a Mustang. Who cares about disgracing a car? It's whoever gets to the finish line first that really counts, right?

I will continue to hold to the opinion that you are closed minded because you keep brushing off a legitimate performance option because of mostly untrue stereotypical bullcrap.

BlankFlip

i dunno, personally i'd love to have a v8 in a 240z/sx, nobody would ever suspect it, it'd be great. i've actually been thinking about looking for a 240z and doing a special swap i had in mind. i have to own a 240z sometime.

crazycuban

sr, ca and rb engines are race engines? &nbsp;what is a race engine, by your definition? &nbsp;just because an engine is high-revving does not make it a race engine. &nbsp;why include the sr, ca and rb as race engines, and not the ka, considering that people race all those engines, including the ka? &nbsp;
and as far as the sr, rb, or ca being the finest engine ever built (i didn't see which one you were talking about), thats definately not necessarily true. &nbsp;it all, of course, depends on the criteria. &nbsp;the sr and ca are definately up there as far as 4-bangers go, and the rb26dett up there as far as sixes, but we're forgetting about the supra engine, the evo engine, and ESPECIALLY domestic greats like the 350 and LS1. &nbsp;these v-8's can handle upwards of 1500 hp, and come from the factory with a straight as #### torque curve. &nbsp;so what if they use pushrods - it works, doesn't it? &nbsp;if the high-tech works, thats great, but thats not what its all about. &nbsp;even talking imports, when time you line up next to an old-school corolla with a 3TC pushrod 4-banger, and get your ass handed to you, you'll understand.

max burke

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That's not entirely true. Ford's factory 302 Windsor blocks (not the FRPP blocks, those are another story altogether) will break at about ~600hp. Two and 4 bolt main factory Chevy 350's (again, not the GMPP racing blocks) will bust in the 600-800hp range. No one's really sure about the LS1's yet but I'm sure the blocks are fine to about 800hp. Now remember that's just the blocks. To be able to take these high HP numbers you'll more than likely need a forged rotating assembly.

EDIT: The GM and Ford racing blocks have been proven to take 1700+ HP again and again.

(Edited by max burke at 4:26 pm on Jan. 13, 2002)

thewholefnshow

God I don't know how to explain this to you... trust me, I really do know my stuff. What I mean is that those engines can be left on the track and rev like nuts for days on end. V8s are durable, nice torque curves and they have almost no faults other than there weight and their well... torque curve and gas mileage of course. That much torque from square one can really hurt launches sometimes, I have driven in a 71 hemi cuda with a 426.. there is not v8 better than that (large displacement anyways) and I gotta tell you, that it is hrad ass #### to do anything with cause the car goes sideways in 3rd gear at 3000 rpms... torque can hurt you as much as it helps.

Clarification, the sr20det and mitso 4g63 are the two best 4 bangers out there right now, and maybe the old ka was great, but I have heard a lot of bad things about nissan cutting corners in the 95 up models and the bottom end is not what it used to be... plus it is not really revvy, which any i4 fast i4 should be, and is lacks a lot of the things that make the sr20, ca18 and all the skyline i6's so great. The supra engine is better than the skylines, period. (IN STOCK FORM) it will take more power, and higher boost then the rb's. I know v8's are powerful, there is a guy with a 1900 horse power 6.5 seconds chevy nova ss here in montreal... but it's not like he can drive it anywhere. And I did admit my bias against the majority of v8's out there, because many of the current american v8's... and even any of them over the last 10-20 years have been incredibly unimpressive with delivering numbers... I made that clear from the start. And I know all about getting taken by an old carrola, I would relish a 4age taking me at the line, that was a great i4, the size of a 2.4 liter engine with walls strong enough to shoot at and an indistructible head... great engine, I doubt there will be one like it again... please guys, gimme some credit.

RB24_S14

Your right STAY NISSAN. Once I went with Nissan I will never get anything else.

enkei2k

did you just bump a 7 year old thread just to say that???

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Stupid fucking kids.

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