One_love_silvia

while i get what you're saying, it's incorrect.

it wouldn't make TIME TRAVEL impossible. it would make altering the past impossible. which would be the BEST possible scenario if time travel ever becomes a real thing. this would prevent anyone from traveling into the past and making things go a certain way that benefits them.

naturally, this would probably be a theory a religious person someone such as yourself would believe. because if everything WAS predetermined, there would have to be something, some law that is choosing to make things go that way. there would be no scientific evidence that could possibly explain predetermination. the only explanation would be, if there were in fact, a god.

as an atheist, i don't personally believe in the predetermination theory. i believe in the ripple effect theory. however, if predetermination ever is proven to be correct, then ill renounce myself as being an atheist. will i worship a god? no. but imo that would be evidence that a god exists.

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Celli

Oh no no! I totally agree with you! Believe me, I DON'T believe in predetermination at all. However, orangevirus does. And so I was simply trying to explain to him why predetermination IS incorrect. Sorry, I didn't mean to lead you to believe I believed in it. Exactly the way you just said predetermination is incorrect is the exactly what I've been trying to convey

OrangeVirus1

Temporal paradox (also known as time paradox and time travel paradox) is a theoretical paradoxical situation that happens because of time travel. A time traveler goes to the past, and does something that would prevent him from time travel in the first place. If he does not go back in time, he does not do anything that would prevent his traveling to the past, so time travel would be possible for him. However, if he goes back in time and does something that would prevent the time travel, he will not go back in time. Thus each possibility seems to imply its own negation - a type of logical paradox.
A typical example of this kind is the grandfather paradox, where a person goes back in time to kill his grandfather before he had any biological descendant. If they succeed, one of their parents would never exist and they themselves would never exist either. This would make it impossible for them to go back in time in the first place, making them unable to kill their grandfather, who would continue to produce offspring and restart the situation. But if they fail, their grandfather would be alive and produce offspring, one of whom would eventually conceive the time traveler and the whole scenario would start over.

I don't believe in Predetermination or any of that crap.

I was just giving the example of the Definition of a god damn time travel paradox. but you guys think it's about "fate" and other such B.S no. it's a logical paradox.

Please explain to me, NOT in your OPINION, but explain to me as a theory or fact that Time travel paradox = Predetermination?

Celli

I'm starting to worry about you. You obviously haven't read a single thing any of us have typed.

OrangeVirus1

I read everything you guys said and you took what I said means predetermined fate. but it does NOT mean predetermined anything.

Inorder for it to be predetermined, I would have to be predetermined that I WOULD go back and kill myself, and never exist in the first place.


Go learn what a damn time travel paradox is how about that one. it has nothing to do with fate.


Please someone explain to me in an intelligent way how Me going back in time and killing myself = predetermined fate. how?
In order for that to make sense, My fate would be predetermined that i WOULD die as a baby NO MATTER WHAT the cause, So I would never even kill myself to begin with.

Predetermined fates can't have 100 different conclusions............... or it isn't predetermined

Celli

K.


Onelove, you can have this one. I'm tired of this.

OrangeVirus1

lol. Good job just give up because you're wrong.

I mean at least Learn what predetermination means before you start throwing it around

Celli

OrangeVirus1

I bet you just watched looper or something and suddenly became a time travel genius

Celli

OrangeVirus1

Let's see if I can explain logically. because Logic = truth. and whatever fantasies you create in your head is not logic.

Logically There is only 1 possible conclusions For time travel :
1. time travel is impossible. into the past or the future.

Let me explain how :
Time travel into the past is impossible because :
Example A: 65 million years ago, you are there, you traveled back in time for one day. december 1 whatever year. Now, This would mean that on december first of that year that you were there, your atomical structure was present at that point in time correct? and that since it is "the past" it is unchangable correct? since Inorder for it to be the correct "past" you would have had to have been there right? but how were you there at that point in time if your atomical mass had not been even "created" yet? Let's say the Exact Hydrogen atom inside the body of that dinosaur is the SAME Hydrogen atom inside your body? thus making it impossible.
Time travel into the future is also impossible because the Future has not happened yet. year 2020 you die. year 2021 your body breaks down, molecules and atoms are shifted, moved, resused etc. Year 2010 you travel 100 years into the future. One of your DEAD body hydrogen atoms is connected to another hydrogen atom and oxygen atom and floating around in a lake. Making travel impossible because that same Hydrogen atom cannot be in to different places and representing two different molecules at once.
There is only one Logically proven "time travel" into the future but it is not "traveling" at all, but mere slowling down time when approaching the speed of light.


Predetermination, First off anyone who believe's in predetermination is a fucking idiot in my opinion. The only "predetermined" thing in this universe is the Rules of the universe because they have no been proved to be able to be changed.

If you can't wrap this around your head, just carry on with your non logical fantasy thinking.

Celli

K.




You are a colossal waste of space in this thread.

OrangeVirus1

hey if you can't understand it it's ok

Celli

Listen here bub. When you say ^this^ you sound like this:
Me: 2+2=4
You: no it equals 6
Me: seriously, it's 4 and this is why...insert mathematical proof
You: actually, that's wrong. It's still 6.
Me: I give up, you're obviously too stupid to understand
You: it's not your fault you can't math.


Meanwhile you think you're hot shit when all you're doing is feeding spam to your false ego. Learn to let go.

OrangeVirus1

lol only thing I have posted is logical answers to time travel and everyone else started blowing up about it

I'm just saying if I'm so wrong then simply prove to me i'm so wrong

Celli

Do you know why they did? Because your "logic" is not actually logic. Go back and read your posts on the first page. The way you "displayed" your "logic" gave you an awful first impression. No matter what you say, after page 1, no one will take you seriously.


you can't go from ^that to "logic" and expect us to take you seriously.

OrangeVirus1

none of that has anything to do with Time travel paradoxes and Predetermined fate.

feito

^this.
seems like u have a problem with it. Your build thread would have been totally different if u knew how to let go and ignore whatever comments u didnt like. Seems like now you are calling names on everyone giving fingers and all, like you are trying to become a troll or something, well it doesnt work that way.
Oh btw, you dont have to reply to this post...

Celli

You can't be serious... Reread what I just posted. Then read it again.


Oh and btw, I haven't pointed any fingers at anyone other than orangevirus. Read the whole thread and see where I have willingly accepted a counter argument. Read oranges previous posts and then come back. And "btw" you are trolling more than anyone considering nothing you posted has anything to do with time travel.

OrangeVirus1

nothing I posted has anything to do with time travel?

only like the last 10 posts have to do with time travel..

I mean jesus "time travel paradox" is the simplest known thing about time travel..........

Celli

Dear OP, please read what you have missed.

Based on your previous posts, I respect your intellect in your thread. If you feel that orangevirus is right, and I am wrong, say so and I'll shut my mouth.

turbobrick

Technically neither of you are right since time travel has not been proven to be true. Until it is, any hypothesis is just as valid as the next when it comes to a subject like this.

also

Celli

HOLY HELL YOU ARE INSUFFERABLY STUPID!

Pretend I walk into a meeting with then physicists. My opening statement is "numbers are man made, we can make 2+2=3" after they laugh at me, NOTHING else I say has credibility. Hell, if my next statement was "without gravity, our existence is impossible" they would still not take me seriously.

Celli

Actually, I'm not saying I'm right about time travel. I totally agree with the fact it hasn't Been proven to be true. And once again, I know what the time travel paradox is. My point is that it is illogical.

Celli

Oh. And btw, the simplest known thing about time travel is probably the fact that we can't do it(to our knowledge).

I would bet money that 9 out of 10 people you ask would say "we can't time travel" before they would say "time travel paradox".

OrangeVirus1

...... this whole thing started when I brought up about what if I go back in time and kill myself. I was entertaining these peoples idea of time travel, and merely giving an ultimatum that you must be able to cross in order for your "time travel" to work.

and if you don't think numbers are man made you are completely foolish. We invented them. Yes 2+2 does not logically = 3, but There are ways around that.

I'm so stupid, but yet you still cannot give me one solid argument against anything I have said.

One_love_silvia

i hope i didn't make it seem like i believe in predetermination. i was just giving him an example of the proper way predetermination works. and i completely agree that your time paradox is correct, given the predetermination theory.

however, i don't think there would be any paradox if you use it in the multiple thread theory. in that theory, you'd just be killing another "you" that exists in a completely different time and space. that version of you would cease to exist, while you would continue to do so.

you guys need to take it to a pm though if you're going to throw out put downs and whatnot. that's only going to lead to the closing of this thread.

Besides that, the original argument of this thread was about traveling into the future, not past. Traveling into the future has already been proven theoretically possible. traveling to the past, has not.

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OrangeVirus1

See the thing with the multiple thread theory would mean you are not necessarily traveling to "the past" but rather a completely different reality all together.

and if you mean "time travel in to the future" as in slowing time down as you approach the speed of light, while everything around you still ages/decays at the same rate as you were before you approached near speed of light, then yes it's theoretically been proven. But I do not believe you can jump in and out of time like time travel makes you think.

Celli

It's time for me to depart from this thread. I came here hoping for a good discussion and hoping to learn something(which I still did), not to argue with a closed minded person.


Edit and final comment: the figures we have assigned to numbers are man made. Numbers themselves are not. Mathematical equations can be found in dozens of places in nature. We didn't just come up with "1.2.3" and coincidentally come up with all this math.

One_love_silvia

and this is exactly correct. nothing is true or false until proven so. obviously you can't include completely stupid shit in with that argument.

for example, u can say, "humans can turn super saiyans. we just havent learned how to control our powers yet".

sure, we have no proof that we CANT turn super saiyan. but it's just so completely asinine to even argue that.

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