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rightcoastimports · 10-28-2008, 05:27 PM

Ok.. I waited almost 3 months for my SSR Type F wheels. I received them last week. The lowest offset offered for the front 18x9 was +32.. ok so no big deal i bought some PBM 15mm spacers. My wheel shakes pretty good around 50-65 mph. Had my wheels rebalanced twice.. tires are brand new falken fk452.

I dont know what to do because the only way to get it not to shake is take off the spacers and not only will the wheels up front not look right but they wont clear my brakes either. So i dont know what to do.. they look so good I dont want to sell them.

Also I have the ssr hub rings and the spacers also came with rings themself.. and I am using both. I even had a tech at Lexus where i work part time take a look and he said everything looks good.. he's the one who balanced my wheels as well.

Need a solution.. with keeping the wheels.

**ThatGuy** · 10-28-2008, 05:29 PM

Are you sure the spacers are centered?

rightcoastimports · 10-28-2008, 05:31 PM

theres only 1 way to put them on since the studs fit snug through the holes.. they have the pressed in studs.. powered by max

DaPCWiz · 10-28-2008, 05:34 PM

you sure your wheel bearings aren't going?

rightcoastimports · 10-28-2008, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaPCWiz

you sure your wheel bearings aren't going?

I doubt it since the day i switched from my volks to these it started.. plus i only have 90k on my chassis

DaPCWiz · 10-28-2008, 05:42 PM

yeah but you didn't have the spacers w/ the volks, correct? spacers = more stress on wheel bearings...

iampoor · 10-28-2008, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rightcoastimports

theres only 1 way to put them on since the studs fit snug through the holes.. they have the pressed in studs.. powered by max

hes right. i dunno if theyre plate spacers but you need the extended stud spacers

rightcoastimports · 10-28-2008, 06:04 PM

yea i have the extended stud spacers, they look like this

they are hubcentric with aluminum rings, also the ssr rings are aluminum and the spacers rings fit right snug into them.

DaPCWiz · 10-28-2008, 07:10 PM

Did your wheel shake when you had your old wheels + spacer?

devnull · 10-28-2008, 07:32 PM

Take a look at the back side of the wheels. If there's a problem with the spacer there might be wear marks on the mating surface.

Do SSRs and Volks use the same type of lug nuts?

kuruptR · 10-28-2008, 07:35 PM

so does the spacer have a hub centric ring for itself? or is it bored to fit perfectly on your hub?

If all else fails try differnt spacers, never had any problems with kics spacers

Full-Lock · 10-28-2008, 07:39 PM

definatly try better quality spacers

clark · 10-28-2008, 07:51 PM

i like the above suggestion. try the spacers with your old rims, see if the issue persists.

rightcoastimports · 10-28-2008, 09:00 PM

i have tried 2 different sets of spacers with no difference, they have their own rings. I will try and put my old wheels on the front with the spacers and see if it still shakes..

**mrmephistopheles** · 10-28-2008, 09:48 PM

Why is this in Chat and not Tech?

*thread moved*

georgesal · 10-28-2008, 09:51 PM

take the spacers off an drive also you might want to check you tie rods

rightcoastimports · 10-28-2008, 11:34 PM

Its not my tie rods or wheel bearings its either the wheels or spacers. I am 100% on that. Because literally right when i put the wheels and spacers on this started.

If it still shakes with the old wheels on, I will probably take the spacers off and try it out..

If it IS my spacers what can i do??

SlideWell · 10-29-2008, 02:10 AM

you got them balanced, good. i didnt read anything here about an alignment. did you get one cuz that sounds like the problem.

GSXRJJordan · 10-29-2008, 02:32 AM

I've got the same tires on my fronts - huge mistake. They understeer like crazy with Federal 595SS on the back (not a "insanely sticky" tire), and my wheel shakes too. Can't wait to take those shits off and swap with some decent rubber.

Swap the other fronts on just to make sure it's not a stud or wheel bearing problem.

Lol @ the people thinking PBM bolt on spacers are dangerous/cause wheel shake/one brand is "cheaper" than another.

rightcoastimports · 10-29-2008, 10:37 AM

alignment was done just 1 month ago.. i have no fear of the spacers being "dangerous." obviously the ideal situation is to have the right offset wheels from the start. Too bad they just didnt come any lower. Kind of odd if you ask me.. The rear is perfect.

Also Dan from PBM agrees that spacers are not an ideal permanent solution and theres no guarantees on problems like this.

rightcoastimports · 11-02-2008, 03:47 PM

well it def. is the spacers but i had a theory.

these spacers have a seperate hub ring, some other brands have the ring built into the spacer itself so its one piece; kind of a lip that fits over the hub and into your wheels hub rings. I'm thinking I might try those and see if the shaking stops because thats 1 less seperate piece that needs to fit.

rightcoastimports · 11-02-2008, 03:56 PM

also my last thought about solving this would be.. is there some way my old studs are just barely touching the back of my wheel?

They are only 15mm so the studs still have a little length.. heres an example of cut studs with 15mm spacers

the OEM studs might need to be shortened so that my wheels can sit flush against the spacers!

GSXRJJordan · 11-02-2008, 04:01 PM

Hahahahahhahhahahaha.

Some wheels have "cutouts" on the pad, so the wheel could still sit on the spacer, but most dont. Yes, you need to either use shorter studs (the correct idea) or cut those. Lol, yes, your vibration comes from the fact that your wheels arent touching your hub. Jesus man.

JeremyR · 11-02-2008, 04:18 PM

if the wheels have cutouts than try putting on the wheels without the hubcentric ring that PBM supplys with the spacers. your spacers are lug centric, and those wheels should be too, you dont need the hubcentric ring, it may be that ring thats causing the vibration. if the wheels are not cut out for those studs, CUT DOWN YOUR OLD ONES

rightcoastimports · 11-02-2008, 04:29 PM

these SSR wheels do NOT have cut outs. So my next step will be shortening my oem studs.

mondojackal · 11-02-2008, 10:24 PM

wow. you didnt think about that before you took the car off the jackstands and took it for a drive? srsly?

rightcoastimports · 11-02-2008, 10:42 PM

ive been thinking about that since before i even put the wheels on but everything seems to bolt up fine so i dropped the idea until now

yokotas13 · 11-02-2008, 11:46 PM

bwahahah i didnt say that because i could have sworn you werent that out of touch

awesome

Addicted2Kouki · 11-03-2008, 02:18 AM

add slip on spacers until the studs dont come out.

or buy a bigger spacer.

Add a 5mm slip on that you find at Autozone/Pepboys wherever..
done.

ericcastro · 11-03-2008, 03:22 AM

Im so glad Zilvia is here to help edjamacate people. That could have ended real bad dude.

i would say to try and find the right size studs or slip on spacers.
Cutting them will signifigantly change the metal's properties and weaken the studs. Or take your time cutting them. Dont let them get super hot, and you should be ok.

10-28-2008, 05:27 PM	#1
rightcoastimports Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Boston Area Age: 36 Posts: 663 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	In kind of a bind.. need advice Ok.. I waited almost 3 months for my SSR Type F wheels. I received them last week. The lowest offset offered for the front 18x9 was +32.. ok so no big deal i bought some PBM 15mm spacers. My wheel shakes pretty good around 50-65 mph. Had my wheels rebalanced twice.. tires are brand new falken fk452. I dont know what to do because the only way to get it not to shake is take off the spacers and not only will the wheels up front not look right but they wont clear my brakes either. So i dont know what to do.. they look so good I dont want to sell them. Also I have the ssr hub rings and the spacers also came with rings themself.. and I am using both. I even had a tech at Lexus where i work part time take a look and he said everything looks good.. he's the one who balanced my wheels as well. Need a solution.. with keeping the wheels. __________________ 95 SR Zenki \| @ e_form daily - A34 Maxima \| A36 Maxima

10-28-2008, 05:29 PM	#2
ThatGuy Admin Asshole Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Retired Age: 41 Posts: 20,394 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: ThatGuy Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Are you sure the spacers are centered? __________________ "Speak softly,..." -Pres. Teddy Roosevelt "Be polite, be professional, ..." -Gen. James Mattis

10-28-2008, 05:31 PM	#3
rightcoastimports Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Boston Area Age: 36 Posts: 663 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	theres only 1 way to put them on since the studs fit snug through the holes.. they have the pressed in studs.. powered by max __________________ 95 SR Zenki \| @ e_form daily - A34 Maxima \| A36 Maxima

10-28-2008, 05:34 PM	#4
DaPCWiz Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Northern NJ Age: 37 Posts: 991 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	you sure your wheel bearings aren't going? __________________ http://blog.dapcwiz.com

10-28-2008, 05:42 PM	#6
DaPCWiz Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Northern NJ Age: 37 Posts: 991 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	yeah but you didn't have the spacers w/ the volks, correct? spacers = more stress on wheel bearings... __________________ http://blog.dapcwiz.com

10-28-2008, 06:04 PM	#8
rightcoastimports Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Boston Area Age: 36 Posts: 663 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	yea i have the extended stud spacers, they look like this they are hubcentric with aluminum rings, also the ssr rings are aluminum and the spacers rings fit right snug into them. __________________ 95 SR Zenki \| @ e_form daily - A34 Maxima \| A36 Maxima

10-28-2008, 07:10 PM	#9
DaPCWiz Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Northern NJ Age: 37 Posts: 991 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Did your wheel shake when you had your old wheels + spacer? __________________ http://blog.dapcwiz.com

10-28-2008, 07:32 PM	#10
devnull Zilvia Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 222 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Take a look at the back side of the wheels. If there's a problem with the spacer there might be wear marks on the mating surface. Do SSRs and Volks use the same type of lug nuts?

10-28-2008, 07:35 PM	#11
kuruptR Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UpNorth Posts: 1,046 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	so does the spacer have a hub centric ring for itself? or is it bored to fit perfectly on your hub? If all else fails try differnt spacers, never had any problems with kics spacers

10-28-2008, 07:39 PM	#12
Full-Lock Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: ILLinois Posts: 1,765 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Full-Lock Feedback Score: 0 reviews	definatly try better quality spacers __________________

10-28-2008, 07:51 PM	#13
clark Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: new york Posts: 1,035 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	i like the above suggestion. try the spacers with your old rims, see if the issue persists.

10-28-2008, 09:00 PM	#14
rightcoastimports Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Boston Area Age: 36 Posts: 663 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	i have tried 2 different sets of spacers with no difference, they have their own rings. I will try and put my old wheels on the front with the spacers and see if it still shakes.. __________________ 95 SR Zenki \| @ e_form daily - A34 Maxima \| A36 Maxima

10-28-2008, 09:51 PM	#16
georgesal BANNED Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles Age: 36 Posts: 842 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	take the spacers off an drive also you might want to check you tie rods

10-28-2008, 11:34 PM	#17
rightcoastimports Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Boston Area Age: 36 Posts: 663 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	Its not my tie rods or wheel bearings its either the wheels or spacers. I am 100% on that. Because literally right when i put the wheels and spacers on this started. If it still shakes with the old wheels on, I will probably take the spacers off and try it out.. If it IS my spacers what can i do?? __________________ 95 SR Zenki \| @ e_form daily - A34 Maxima \| A36 Maxima

10-29-2008, 02:10 AM	#18
SlideWell Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Age: 38 Posts: 1,591 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	you got them balanced, good. i didnt read anything here about an alignment. did you get one cuz that sounds like the problem.

10-29-2008, 02:32 AM	#19
GSXRJJordan Post Whore! Join Date: May 2006 Location: << 626 >> Posts: 9,135 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: GSXRJJordan Feedback Score: 19 reviews	I've got the same tires on my fronts - huge mistake. They understeer like crazy with Federal 595SS on the back (not a "insanely sticky" tire), and my wheel shakes too. Can't wait to take those shits off and swap with some decent rubber. Swap the other fronts on just to make sure it's not a stud or wheel bearing problem. Lol @ the people thinking PBM bolt on spacers are dangerous/cause wheel shake/one brand is "cheaper" than another. __________________ Jordan Innovations has a new web site! www.JordanInnovations.com -- All your favorite FD Pro Drifters love it, trust me -- www.JordanInnovations.com

10-29-2008, 10:37 AM	#20
rightcoastimports Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Boston Area Age: 36 Posts: 663 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	alignment was done just 1 month ago.. i have no fear of the spacers being "dangerous." obviously the ideal situation is to have the right offset wheels from the start. Too bad they just didnt come any lower. Kind of odd if you ask me.. The rear is perfect. Also Dan from PBM agrees that spacers are not an ideal permanent solution and theres no guarantees on problems like this. __________________ 95 SR Zenki \| @ e_form daily - A34 Maxima \| A36 Maxima

11-02-2008, 03:47 PM	#21
rightcoastimports Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Boston Area Age: 36 Posts: 663 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	well it def. is the spacers but i had a theory. these spacers have a seperate hub ring, some other brands have the ring built into the spacer itself so its one piece; kind of a lip that fits over the hub and into your wheels hub rings. I'm thinking I might try those and see if the shaking stops because thats 1 less seperate piece that needs to fit. __________________ 95 SR Zenki \| @ e_form daily - A34 Maxima \| A36 Maxima

11-02-2008, 03:56 PM	#22
rightcoastimports Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Boston Area Age: 36 Posts: 663 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	also my last thought about solving this would be.. is there some way my old studs are just barely touching the back of my wheel? They are only 15mm so the studs still have a little length.. heres an example of cut studs with 15mm spacers the OEM studs might need to be shortened so that my wheels can sit flush against the spacers! __________________ 95 SR Zenki \| @ e_form daily - A34 Maxima \| A36 Maxima

11-02-2008, 04:01 PM	#23
GSXRJJordan Post Whore! Join Date: May 2006 Location: << 626 >> Posts: 9,135 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: GSXRJJordan Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Hahahahahhahhahahaha. Some wheels have "cutouts" on the pad, so the wheel could still sit on the spacer, but most dont. Yes, you need to either use shorter studs (the correct idea) or cut those. Lol, yes, your vibration comes from the fact that your wheels arent touching your hub. Jesus man. __________________ Jordan Innovations has a new web site! www.JordanInnovations.com -- All your favorite FD Pro Drifters love it, trust me -- www.JordanInnovations.com

11-02-2008, 04:29 PM	#25
rightcoastimports Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Boston Area Age: 36 Posts: 663 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	these SSR wheels do NOT have cut outs. So my next step will be shortening my oem studs. __________________ 95 SR Zenki \| @ e_form daily - A34 Maxima \| A36 Maxima

11-02-2008, 10:24 PM	#26
mondojackal Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: FL Posts: 165 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	wow. you didnt think about that before you took the car off the jackstands and took it for a drive? srsly?

11-02-2008, 10:42 PM	#27
rightcoastimports Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Boston Area Age: 36 Posts: 663 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	ive been thinking about that since before i even put the wheels on but everything seems to bolt up fine so i dropped the idea until now __________________ 95 SR Zenki \| @ e_form daily - A34 Maxima \| A36 Maxima

11-02-2008, 11:46 PM	#28
yokotas13 Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Milford, CT Age: 36 Posts: 10,519 Trader Rating: (8) Rides Gallery: yokotas13 Feedback Score: 8 reviews	bwahahah i didnt say that because i could have sworn you werent that out of touch awesome __________________ 2015 Subaru Outback Overlander - Wagonofdoom

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