BuddhaS13

Hello, I'm deployed and own a s13 vert back in the states. I want to swap a sr20 in my vert but since I'm moving back to California, I won't be able to pass smog and won't be able to pass if I get referred. Would it be okay to keep my KA24 and just boost it to make it sleeper ka24de-t? California laws make things complicated. What should I make out of this situation?

Om1kron

you're in the military, spend your money on a better car and get out of the game while you can. You sound like you already know the financial implications of what you desire, a stock ka24 can barely fucking pass smog, what makes you think a non smog legal 240 is going to pass?

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BuddhaS13

I agree. But I just love my car too much. I originally planned to use it as a daily for when I go back to school for college and have it drift ready but I guess the best way to go about it is to keep the motor oem as much as possible. At most an exhaust? I already got coils and wheels.

zooopreme

If you want a car that is drift ready, build a separate car. Realistically, you will never need to drift on the street if you're just commuting. There aren't roads that require you to drift in order to get through. But if you're stuck on that drift ready mindset, a KA can get you sideways. I can see why one would want enough power but plenty of people have thrown a single and dual cam sideways, why can't you? It's street legal after all.

An exhaust will yield you little to no gain in power. The only thing you will gain is sound.

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ryandriftingfat

There are a billion SR's in California. If you could have but don't have an SR20 because of smog laws, you're doing it wrong and/or not trying hard enough.

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MrMigs

Go KA-Turbo. Switch back to N/A if you ever get reffed. Then go back to turbo again... You know you thought about this lol

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ixfxi

yeah, because the installation and removal of a forced induction system is so SIMPLE

so fucking stupid


going turbo is not a 5-minute tune up job.

buy a better car or go with a crate v8 setup

milto0n

I recently (4 months ago?) removed my turbo components to pass smog. It is most certainly doable. Took me no more than a day to get it removed and started, about a week to cross the T's and dot the I's. It will, however, very much depend on your turbo set up. I have the basic bottom mount sr t25, 370cc, n60 mafs thing going on AND I already had all spare components in storage. It was a reverse installation process. Block off your oil lines, temporarily vent your PCV to atmosphere (but HIDE it in the manifold), reconfigure your mafs, etc. The hardest part will be installing the vacuum lines for the EGR.
This is why in my personal opinion I would rather have KA-t (please, not trying to be KAt vs SR!). Like Mr. Migs said, if you also get popped you can do this process as well. Not the best way to spend your week but way better than sourcing a spare engine and swapping it in to pass smog.
...And don't worry about how you spend your money. We've all dumped way more cash into our cars than we care to admit. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a dirty liar!!!

Drift_FX

if your military just register your vehicle out of state.... its legal and you dont have to pass smog(if your home state doesnt require it)

S14DB

Yeah, The e-Rod setup was designed for cali.

KA-T is just as illegal as SR. Don't know why you would think It would be a better route. A well tuned and maintained SR can pass the tail pipe. Still won't help you on the visual...

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ixfxi

post pics of your engine bay, lets see how things are mounted securely and cleanly

its bullshit, it cannot be done EASILY

most of my cars are missing a million smog devices for a reason, because i work on my car and they're an absolute pain in the fucking ass.

no egr
no evap
no cat

cat is actually the only item i dont care about, but right now i dont have a cat on one of my cars.. so im not worrying. but i never complain about catalytics since they never consume valuable engine bay space or clog up my intake with soot

removing oil lines, no biggie... but dealing with coolant lines, exhaust pipes... all a big fucking waste of time. do it right and deal with the smog issues (if you can) and if you cant, get a compliant v8 kit and call it a day.

besides, who the fuck wants a turbo KA. i dont. well, not a ka24*E*...

wait, i dont want a turbo ka24*DE* either

spooled240

I've had my ka-t converted to stock to pass smog and turbo'd again in a weekend. It's a lot of work but it's way easier than a engine swap and you only have to do every 2 years.

lude4life13

Just leave it stock. If you are planning to track it a lot then you must have another car anyways (unless your just a risk taker). If you don't plan on tracking a lot (less than 6 times a year) then you will have plenty of fun with the stock KA. It allows you to practice and fine tune your driving skills.

zooopreme

How impractical does that sound though?

That's four jobs at the very least. 1 to remove N/A stuff, 1 to put in T-stuff. Every two years, 1 to remove for smog, 1 to put in for smog, 1 to remove N/A components and another to put in. Depending on the exterior for the car, you may have to do another remove and put in, then after you get written off, remove N/A stuff to put in turbo stuff in again. All in all, that sounds a bit ridiculous, don't you think?

I mean honestly, why not just be a smart person and not daily a "drift ready" car. Other than getting compliments from other men and teenagers from the mall, you'll have nothing going for you.

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ixfxi

its not just stupid and impractical, it also increases your risk because once you DO get on the radar with "the man" - you get switched from bi-annual to annual smog. this can and DOES happen.

so, enjoy getting intimately familiar with installing and removing your shit millions of times, or better yet... hire an f1 race team to swap the shit for you. no offense, but i'm just too old to give a fuck about switching shit up.

the way i see it, either be 100% illegal, or 100% legal. pick your poison.

milto0n

That's your own opinion my dear friend. Define your idea of "easy". Again this is my personal idea and it can be done easily... and I want a turbo KA simple as that my brother. I had all parts in my garage collecting dust so it was easy for me to do, no part sourcing, making my job easier.
I feel as though I should have been a little more detailed. In January of this year, our cars (most, if not all of them) were switched over to STAR test ONLY. Meaning my smog connection was out of the question. The only sensible thing to do was pass legally. Will I have to do it again in 2 years? Hopefully not, but who cares. This is the price we pay to have these cars the way we want them to be, or at least how I feel about it. I offered this insight to the original poster so I hope it helps with his situation. Good luck with your future endeavors pal!

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zerodameaon

Just going to put this out there that this is false. A lot of bases are starting to make you get smogs to get base tags. I know that Pendleton does it and so does Naval Base SD, it is pretty hit or miss on who they hit but you are not 100% safe thinking you can just register out of state.

Also ixfxi wtf are you talking about annual smog? Got any proof that that happens because one of my friends has been popped three times in about 7 years with a SR and has each time done the dance of swapping back, paying whatever fines after getting refed and goes back to paying his friendly corner smog buddy every two years. You would think he would be on that annual list but nope. If you say something about another state that does not matter one bit because this is a discussion about california.

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ixfxi

you do realize the change from test only to star was made what, 6-12 months ago? this is very recent stuff

tell you what, go attempt to pass smog, fail, and tell me what happens. once your car is on the failed list, you're pretty screwed. most smog shops wont want to touch your car

slow92

This is exactly why I won't ever live in California again. Before I got out of the military I was going to move back to California and after hearing about the state and all of the emissions stuff I changed my mind.

Heck, I even have a buddy that is a smog tech and I was asking him to illegally pass my car by running another car on the machine and just entering all of the data from my car. But, he had just been fined by the SMOG gods that parked their car on a hill away from his shop and watched and took photos with a large camera.

Even he has said California regulations are changing so they can get more money. Basically, if you do an engine swap on any car, foreign or domestic, it is a no go. If the car did not originally come with that motor installed you have to go through a referee. It has even gotten so bad that they are now smogging diesel cars and want to start testing motorcycles and even boats in the near future.

He even said he keeps getting bulletins regarding the popular lsx swap into 240sx's.

So.....keep it stock or buy a really bad ass car that has everything you want and you do not have to change to do what you want. Or, simply build a second car that you are only going to use on a track. Or you could go and pick up a 240z, because it is smog exempt, and put your sr20 in that. This is what I was going to do because I have way to much money wrapped up in my motor to simply get rid of it.

Good Luck. Cali sucks for us car enthusiasts.

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racepar1

OK, first of all, this SHOULD have been posted in REGIONAL, not general chat.

SECOND, you CAN turbo your KA and KEEP all the smog devices INSTALLED so that it will at least pass the SNIFFER TEST. It's NOT going to cost you ANY horsepower. If you can pass the sniffer test it's easy to find someone to ignore the visual. The smog tech doesn't have to worry about spy cameras if your car is the one actually on the dyno. You COULD even get an SR to pass the emissions test simply by adding a second cat temporarily to bring the emissions down. The thing about CA smog laws is that MORONS have a hard time getting around them. It takes an intelligent and determined person to make it work.

As far as smogging diesels, motorcycles, farm equipment, lawn equipment, etc... I really don't have any problem with EVERYONE being treated EQUALLY. That is my LARGEST gripe with smog laws. The "enthusiasts" are targeted because they're an easy target. Enthusiasts aren't funding any politicians campaigns and we've got little political say. Meanwhile the REAL polluters are free to blow as much shit into the atmosphere as they want. Why? Because the REAL polluters are INDUSTRY and contribute large amounts of money to political campaigns to keep their own heads off the chopping block. I am ALL FOR smogging EVERYTHING in EVERY state. Pollution is a concern and it's about time that enthusiasts were no longer made out to be the villans.

zerodameaon

Yeah I live in california, and you did not post any proof of what you claim, you just dodged the question going on about star smogs. So where is the proof of your annual smog tests or you going to admit you are talking out of your ass?

Star really did not change anything. My car failed and I can still take it to any test only star station in the state and have it tested. I cannot take it to a star test and repair station but any test only will do. Do you even live in the state or are you just going on what you heard from across the border somewhere.


EDIT: Oh I see what it is you have a buddy who runs a smog shop, he should be able to get you some proof of the annual smog jobs, if you say "he said" that won't cut it because your buddy is a liar.

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ixfxi

you are right.

i dont live in socal, i dont know what i am talking about.

and to make matters worse, i live in florida. damn, i got self-p0wn3d

Nezahualcoyotl

you can do a VQ swap. Just need all the emission components too.

ReLiC

or do a vh45de swap.

zooopreme

I'm not 100% but in order for the VQ swap to be California legal, you would need to figure out the fuel tank components--which ties in with smog. That being said, it's not as easy as you think.

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Corbic

Ok, then what about the real polluters of the world?

How 16 ships create as much pollution as all the cars in the world | Mail Online



Also, the problem with regulating other equipment, like dirt bikes, lawn mowers and generators is that you will drive cost up exponentially destroying those industries. It's one thing to tell a billion dollar company like Toyota to spend millions certifying a $20k car... it's another thing to get a small company like Kawasaki to spend millions to certify a $4k dirt bike.

Do you really think we need computer controlled, fuel injected, catalytic converted lawn mowers? Yeah, add a couple of zeroes behind that $189.99 price tag.

Corbic

er... no

For Crapafornia you need an engine from a newer model engine with all it's OEM federal emissions equipment.

So for the VQ, you'd need that cats, egr crap and return-less fuel system or whatever. No different then a LS motor.

The E-rod makes life easy as it comes with everything you need and is only a few bucks more then most pull outs.

zerodameaon

Here is the thing about that though is most bikes are moving towards FI systems anyways because it is a more powerful, more responsive system and does not add a whole lot to the price of the bikes, 1,500 in the case of the YFZ450R, or a grand in the case of the Raptor 700s which are only FI now. A side effect of that is they also tend to run cleaner.

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Corbic

$1500 on a $5000 bike is a lot v that's like saying the "new cats" will only add $7k to the price of a car.

FI systems also don't mean they will pass smog, just ask the sr.

Also the bike industry is all ready crashing and go read that article I posted.