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08-08-2003, 03:11 AM | #1 |
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SCCA holding drift competitions???
i'm new so i don't know if this been talked about or not but i heard that SCCA might adopt drifting as it's new type of competition... is this true??????
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i've never heard such a thing
and i dont think SCCA will adopt it... well at least for now drifting is more like a show/contest or skill exhibition rather than racing
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gymkhana is reallly the only thing they could do...
defnately NOT drifting as far as competition wise here. drifting is like figure skating. its all about a judges opinion, not a time trial. |
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Since when does SCCA only have to be about time trials?? You've got stuff like Old Timer Road Rallies where you're being quizzed more on general knowledge than navigating, which is still more important than speed (or the lack there-of). SCCA stands for Sports Car Club of America. Not "we only race grip style on closed courses".
I'm not saying SCCA and drifting go together, or should. That's up to: 1. The SCCA to take up the organizational role to hold drift events 2. The drifters to accept the organizational level of SCCA events The SCCA really needs to draw in more members, and have them stay with it, so there's a good reason for the SCCA to think about adopting drift events. Drifters want (at least, I'd HOPE they want) more events available to them so they have more seat time and can practice/ learn more, so there's a good reason for drifters to want the SCCA to adopt drift events. There was a long thread on this in the SCCA forums. I guess things are just spreading from there.
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I'll say the same thing here as I've said everywhere. SCCA needs new members. Drifter need lots, and airfeilds to drive on. SCCA can get them, and boost their coffers with the membership fees and race entry fees from the drifters. Simple as that. We encourage them to help us set up events, they make a little money and attract the 16-25 year old crowd.
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08-08-2003, 11:55 AM | #8 |
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The president of the SCCA had an in depth article several issues ago in Grassroots Motorsports. I'd suggest you read that before you say things such as "SCCA has no interest in drifting."
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^^ wow i'm impressed..the majority of the responses on the SCCA thread were quite open minded and intelligent..
i really hope they persue it..be a great way to have more events at a reasonable cost.. |
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The big deal from a few people I have talked to is that the SCCA will bring more organization and control to a potentially dangerous (more so than usual) motorsport. It's bad enough that Rally Trials have suffered after a recent incident involving fatalities. An accident in drifting, coming so soon after that, could potentially ruin things entirely in the US.
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personally
i think drifting will be better off if run by a club.. specific club.. like drifting club.. so if something bad happens (accidents, hopefully not) it will only affect the club itself rathen ruin the whole SCCA big organizations
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SCCA autocrosses generally allow instructors to ride along with novices (although novices seem to not utilize this enough). If they could do so for drift events then the problem wouldn't be so bad. Some local clubs around here require first time autocrossers to take an instructor for at least their first run with the club. NASA is supposed to be holding "drifting schools". Not sure how they're going to carry that out, but autocrossing for novices is pretty much always a "school", as long as the novice is willing to ask questions and maybe take an instructor. I wasn't aware NASA did anything autocross related... and for drifting to take place at a grassroots level, they're pretty much gonna be looking at autox sites to hold events at. Just a reason the SCCA might be better suited to handle drifting.
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yup..all very true..i guess one of the major problems in these sports is pride...beginners are unwilling to take constructive criticism or ask for help because they want to look good for their peers...not all of course..but many that i have seen...it's a very "know-it-all" demographic..
oh well..it'll be interesting to see what the future holds.. |
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yet it's interesting that some people would end up looking better taking an instructor out a few times to help their driving, instead of railing cones and spinning out and going off course. oh well, some people will never learn... (so said by someone who trophied [2nd] his first time out with no instructor , yea i sux0rz) Quote:
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they threatened to ban me..lol.. we were of course "trying" to drift...but we didn't do anything wrong...people just fear what they don't understand..it's the root of all prejudice.. |
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if the scca were to host drift events that would be nice.... and it would be nice to have a course to practice drifting on instead of drifting out in public areas where you gotta trip about getting caught by the cops... if scca were going to adopt drifting, then it would just be a a good benefit for both of us, they get a youger crowd to their organization, and we get a place to drift. sounds like a good deal to me |
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I would like to see it, but I really don't see SCCA adopting drift with open arms. Improved Touring has been their bread and butter for years, yet it's still somewhat looked down upon by the big wigs at SCCA...it isn't even a national class yet has the greatest number of drivers.
Also, to compete in so much as a road course time trial, you have to have a cage. How many current street drifters want to cramp their street car with a cage and add all the other saftey requirements like a $400+ fire suit, battery cutoff switch, proper fire system/extinguisher, etc.? I think once you add up all the people that want to drift SCCA style and can actually afford it, or want to fully prep their car, I don't think there's enough people to support drifting...especially on the east coast. In addition, I don't think most road racers have fully adopted drifting. I can appreciate drifting's coolness factor, and it's sweet to feel the back end of your car sliding around dirt track style, but to most road racers, drifting is to be avoided as it's not exactly the fastest way around a race track. I guess drifting is kind of looked at as impropper racing, or racing with bad technique or something.
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more people drive IT than Solo II?? Wow... NER has like 200 cars at some Solo II events.... Quote:
Are you implying that the SCCA would host drift events on tracks?? Cause... most drift events, maybe 95% of them in the US... are held on parking lots. The reason for the safety equipment at track events is because of the speeds involved, and the insurance policies of a lot of tracks require such safety equipment anyways. Quote:
to argue that the SCCA is only about going the fastest around a track completely ignores Solo II and, even more so, Road Rally.
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I'm not arguing against drifting. I can see how it's fun. I'm letting you know the mindset of numerous road racers I've talked to on the subject.
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Well I dont know about SCCA but it really does erk me how all the ameteur and regalur track day solo scca guys are bad mouthing drift, it sounds like a bunch of senior citizens ****ed off because there will be a new flavor of jello. Even if the ameteur guys dont like it, I have a friend who races pro for grip, and he is really getting into drift, also Ryan from Bondurant racing school is heavily into drift and both Bondurant and Skip Barber showed up at the D1 driver search to drift, and they are both very well known schools for grip. We'll see what happens.
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Solo II plays a few roles though. I guess the role I was thinking of was Solo II as a training ground, much like a drift practice. Maybe I've been hanging around too many of my Novice friends lately.... I probably could've made a better statement though. But, you're right. For the most part it's all about who's fastest. Quote:
and so you're admitting that the SCCA does do "non-true-motorsport" type of events. Drifting could very well fall into that category. Quote:
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the biggest improvements SCCA could bring to organized drift events is having the proper safety equipment in place, excellent insurance coverage for all competitors and spectators, and setting up drift courses that would not have potentially dangerous corners in it like some have mentioned here. Things like designing a corner that puts the cars too close to a light pole would be a LOT less likely to happen at an SCCA sanctioned event. If SCCA really wants to do it I think it'll work out fine for everyone. Hopefully it will event get some of the drifters more interested in other SCCA events
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