SnakeKack

Ok so I Just bought a 1993 Toyota Supra NA 5-spd, Targa. I bought it sort of online on a forum from a guy that doesn't live far away. I talked to him for months about the car and we kinda became friends before I actually bought it.

It turns out though the car is a huge piece of shit. I bought the car knowing there was a few things wrong with it. Those things are...the transmission needs to be swapped out, the front seats are in shitty shape, the a/c needs a recharge, and it had an exhaust leak BUT he was giving me a catback exhaust so that was gonna fix it...

Ok so the guy actually delivers that car to me, it looks beautiful the motor does run fine, it ends up missing a few things in the engine bay...but i figure no big deal i can get those on ebay....Car seems good so I buy it...

Ok so I take it to work put it on the lift and find out the car is leaking from the front and rear seals...the valve cover...the steering rack and power steering resevoir. The exhaust leak is coming from the header....so the exhaust isn't gonna fix it...the oil pressure,check engine, and trac lights don't work. The guage says "p,r,n,d" and i found out buy having the dealer trace the vin that it was originaly an automatic. Also the airbag light is on meaning the bags are probably disabled or they went off, and the hood is from a 1994 supra. the rad core support is slightly dented on the bottom and slighty out of wack on the top.......I could go on...

But I called the guy up after work which is the same day I bought it and I told him I want my money back, cause i don't want to put so much money into a car to get it in shape and about all the problems with the car etc because before I bought it from him he stressssseddddd like crazy that there was nothing else wrong with the car except the things that I knew about before buying it. He told me he didn't know about all that stuff because when he bought it he only drove it a little while cause he has 4 MKIVs....

He tried to over me 500 in cash, and a set of 18" G35 rims(to put on my 240). to try to compensate for all the things wrong....I was like helll no. So he is trying to find someone else to buy it for what i paid for it. I told him it's waaaay to much for what i paid for and he said I don't understand how the MKIV market works, and that a shell alone just sold for $8000 which I don't give a shit. It's a fucking toyota not a porsche when it comes down to it.

So i wanna know if there is any maybe legal way of going about this to get my money back? By the way he gave me NO BILL OF SALE. so... there is nothing saying sold as is or whatever. I really need help here if anyone can give me some.

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slider2828

Nope used car.... you should have checked it out... You agreed to the sale, in court that would hold and you are done... Hearsay is useless unless its written down.... Go to a lawyer for a free consult.

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Killa_D

In a way is your fault before handing out the money you should of taken it to a shop and have them inspect the car. Its a 93 so those things wrong with it just mean poor maintenance. And you not knowing that the hood was replaced and the other shit, stuff like that are the first things you look at when buying a car. Try to take him to small claim court but i thought you'll get anything back.

SnakeKack

I think the lemon law only works with dealers.

And yeah it seems like I am screwed in a way. He has said that he already has someone that wants to buy it but he hasn't got back to me yet since yesterday.

Killa_D

i say ask him to give some money back so you can fix some of the stuff wrong with it or just sell it. Or take a trip to where he lives and fuck his car up make sure you dent up the quarter panel pretty good lol.

Camo

I think you just learned a valuable lesson. Dont listen to ANYTHING ANYONE says about the car they are trying to sell. Money will make people shiesty. Always inspect the car yourself and if you dont know what to look for, take it to someone who does. Sorry to hear about it though. Good luck!

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Baka Sama

How much did you pay for it? The guiy sounds alright if you ask me. He offered you 500 back plus a set of rims. Really he didnt have to give you anything. You had months to check the car out and run a carfax report on it to see what it needed. sounds like you just bought an average used 15 year old car. Suck it up and fix it. Supras arnt cheap and Im surprised you didnt know that.

SnakeKack

Yeah i do know they aren't cheap. But for the average price of a near perfect running NA it shouldn't be in this condition. Like i said he stressed and stressed that there was nothing else wrong with it. And I had 2 opportunities to go see the car that HE failed to show up, first was, he couldn't make it down to show me the car.... and second he was throwing a b'day party for his friend and couldn't make it down..... And because of my work schedule which I usually work 11am-8:30pm I don't normaly get chances to do things and that is why we agreed on doing it that way and since he was gonna be down for the weekend and it turned out like perfect timing to close the deal. I mean this guy is supposed to be my friend.


And TRUST ME i did learn a lesson heh....

DreamN

Take him to court. Get your money back and return the car. It's doable, but it's not 100% that you'll win. Consult an attorney. Seeing as he stressed that the car had no issues other than the ones mentioned it's a breach of contract if he had prior knowledge of this. Your job is to convince the court that this person sold you a car full well knowing of all its problems. If you're unable to do that then you're pretty much SOL and lesson learned.

Just do searches and see if you can find similar cases that work in your favor. Another thing is the time frame of the whole sale. If it was in a day or so when you contacted him about all the issues that could help you in simply returning the car and getting your money back.


I've dealt with a similar issue, but it was a definite breach of contract since the seller told me the car had a clean title and ended up having a salvage one. I got my money back and returned the car.

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HyperTek

take the 500 bucks.. sell the G35 wheels.. throw a 1jz or put that towards a 2jz

cheap turbo mk4 ..

how much did you buy the car for btw?

Check your aim, does it record aim conversations?? I use trillian and it logs stuff

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RiversideS13

Did you guys agree of the purchase under AS IS condition?

I believe it is illegal to sell a car with airbag light and check engine light taken out from the dash.... you should check with your local law. However, you should have check the dash lights when the ignition key is at 'ON" position

i saw a similar law suit case on "judge judy" but seller won. sorry i forgot about the reason because i was too busy eating lunch. maybe you can look it up

SnakeKack

There was no "as is" agreement. I bought the car for 12k. Most of the convos were on the phone unfortunatley. There was no "not that I know of" thing when I asked him "beside all the things you told me is there anything else at all wrong with the car?" his answer every time was "no everything else is fine" I even once worded it like this "please if there is anything else wrong with the car don't be afraid to to let me know, just be straight up with me"

HyperTek

wow 12k.. i know thats kinda cheap for a mkiv but dam you could have bought a already 2jz swapped sc300 and been in mkiv territory

get your money back man!

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SnakeKack

Also I explained to him multiple times that 12k is a lot of money and i have never spent that much money on buying a car before and that I wanted to make sure it was worth it because I felt uncomfortable spending that kind of money at once. And he "reasured" me that there was nothing else wrong with it.

We agreed on the price but that was in mind that there was nothing else wrong with the car.

SnakeKack

But am I right though? 12k is what you see those cars in good running shape with virtually no problems. correct?

SnakeKack

Yeah I had a dream of owning an MKIV that just went down the toilet. I just want my money back so I can use some of it to fix up my 240 and stick with that.I should never have tried to find something to replace my old squeaky S13 =\

silpena

get on the peoples court.....i seen an episode like 5 times on this and the person who got jipped allways wins. I'm being serious. Write to them and explaine your issue plus youll be on tv. Make sure to get a report from a shop and the dealer on all the issues and maybe the average price on supras at the price you bought it.

1ZlowZ

You are correct.

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enjetek

no way. ask me how i know. if i saw a 93/94 supra for that cheap i would know something is wrong with it.

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VQMaxFan

I doubt an NA model. Ive seen auto TT's go for about that price range w/ rough paint. Well thats down here on the gulf coast.

enjetek

no way dude...12k for a tt...auto tts go from 18-23 easily. na should be 15-20 still.

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lucky7

lol, fucking supras. they go to peoples heads.

i WAS gonna say, take the $500 and G35 wheels and run. until you said you paid $12k for it. you got hosed, and you let it happen.

i dont get this supra hype. i hate the cars to begin with. i personally wouldnt pay more than 6. i'd only pay $12k for a MINT TT. they're too damn old to be spending real money on.

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TheWolf

what's great condition for one is crappy for another...

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aznpoopy

just because you dislike supras and the prices they draw doesn't mean he actually paid too much for it. 12k is still on the cheap side even with all its crazy problems.

12k for a mint tt? lol ...maybe if you stole it at gunpoint. 25k-40k, depending on mileage and condition, is way more realistic

OP... next time when you buy a car. #1 check market prices. #2 take it a mechanic or get it up on a lift yourself. fl has no lemon law for used cars. and honestly i don't think you got ripped off anyway. you cannot expect a private seller to know every mechanical problem with their car.

there are two types of legal warranties. express and implied. in a private used car sale there is generally never any kind of implied warranty. you'd have to argue he affirmatively misrepresented the condition of the car during to sale... his misrepresentations would constitute express warranties and would be actionable.

and ppl, please stop bringing up judge judy / mathis / etc. those are not real courts and their decisions do not need to be based on actual law. all of those are shows are arbitration dressed up to look like a court.

enjetek

finally someone else that knows what he is talking about. lol. thanks aznpoopy.

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lucky7

exactly my point. the market is so skewed for this particular vehicle, that i WILL never own one. i refuse to pay "market value" on something i dissagree with entirely (and i am not alone). not to mention i feel as though by looking elsewhere i can get more, for less. (IE, B5+ S4, E46 M3, ETC.)

the fact of the matter however, is that the OP purchased the car. there isnt much that can be done at this point. you have surely learned that it is wise to be an educated consumer.

now, if you were local to me, we could make the car dissapear. i know of several success stories in that reguard.

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TheRonTom31

I agree take the $500 and wheels and split. ALl the repairs you have to do are cheap and easy.

1. 2jzge's are stupid cheap and you can find them almost anywhere. You already have the tranny. Hell you can get GTE's for $2000 now.
2. You can get a new header for the car, aftermarket even for like $300
3. it cost what like $30 to DIY the ac recharge
4. The trac light probly doesnt work cuase the auto to manual swap, same with CEL. Oil pressure possibly just a fuse or sensor not hard
5. Who the fuck cares what year the hood is. IF it fits big deal
6. Get used to leather seats sucking at life. Don't like them take them out and sell them to a SC driver for $400 we love supra seats cause they are direct bolt in and are alwayse looking for them any shape or form cause we have the money to get new leather skins

All these things are stupid little nit picks. You obviously have access to a shop. You could have all this stuff cleaned up for $1000 and maybe a solid days worth of work. I dont even have a garage and I could have this done in a weekend

enjetek

try this to fix your air bag light:
MKIV.COM

i had the same problem from power steering res. just diagnose it and fix it. it turned out to be a little o ring with my car.

if the radiator works fine then who cares.

front and rear seal good luck its fun on our cars.

with all the money you saved on getting the car you can use it to fix it up.

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eli_eli

you didnt over pay for the car, but the guy should have told you about the other issues, i am sure he knew at least half of them, specially if the car was hit, which is a good possibilty from what you stated, but at this point i think ur best option is try to get your money back, and if that doesnt work, as for a little more than $500 and the wheels, maybe 1K and the wheels would be ok...gl in any way man

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