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jmauld · 10-01-2003, 08:02 AM

Here are some pictures of my first rallycross. I juse barely pulled off a 1st place against some pretty good drivers.

Dusty drift

Rooster tail

rear shot

Wife's Rooster tail

Burmonster · 10-01-2003, 10:17 AM

Thats a new one. Bet your filters are nice and clean after that fun.

Rennen · 10-01-2003, 11:34 AM

Nice!

Can I ask about your rallycross setup vs your autocross setup and perhaps driving techniques. What Tires and what pressures did you run? I am prepping my car for my first rallycross this weekend. It should be nice and mudddy.

-Matt

jmauld · 10-01-2003, 08:25 PM

I ran the same shock setup for both.

My koni's were set about 1/2 stiffness all around, with stock springs.

My tire pressures were 32lbs fr/rr.

Rallycross is a good time to learn left foot braking.

Just keep your right foot planted, turn WAYYY before the curve and tap the brakes occasionally.

Okay, you can't really keep your left foot planted the whole time, but you shouldn't have to move it off the gas pedal. You will probably do very little braking.

For preventive purposes, I'd remove the front plastic spoiler if you have one.

Rennen · 10-01-2003, 09:28 PM

Thanks for the advice, I need to head out to a gravel parking lot sometime this week and try to remember how to left foot brake from my automatic driving days.

Quote:

Originally posted by jmauld
For preventive purposes, I'd remove the front plastic spoiler if you have one.

You think? How bumpy is a average rallycross course? because on an autocross course, with a jab of the brakes and full body roll(see pic) I still have a couple inches of clearance.

-Matt

jmauld · 10-01-2003, 09:37 PM

Look at that picture and imagine a 6-12" dirt buildup in front of your car. As long as you stay on-line, you'll never hit that, but turn late just once and you would end up hitting one of them.

I don't know if it would hurt the spoiler or not, but I was going to take mine off to repaint it anyway, so I thought it was a good time to do it.

Our field wasn't too bumpy, mainly because the sand in this area is easily moved around by a car. If the dirt where you're at is harder then it might be bumpier.

Rennen · 10-01-2003, 10:02 PM

I hadn't thought about the dirt brim on the outsides of the corners, I guess I will just take it off to be safe. Thanks again.

-Matt

PS, I find this really funny that I am being such a pussy about a little piece of plastic on my $1,400 car when I will be out there with people driving the crap out of brand new $30k EVO's and STi's

bwalker240 · 10-06-2003, 03:37 PM

Quote:

You think? How bumpy is a average rallycross course?

Rennen · 10-06-2003, 03:58 PM

yeah, I love those pics (saw em on FA) they are truly awesome. PM'd the guy he was super nice. His webpage can be found here: http://www.carsnstripes.com/

But thats not a rallycross, thats a full blown rally.

Oh, get this: I drove all the way down to my rallycross and they cancelled it! Something about the access road being impassable, I hate rural Missouri!:hammer:

-Matt

nokeone · 10-07-2003, 04:34 PM

wow!!..that really looks like alot of fun..

..wonder if they ever have them out in Cali..hmmm..

hondaguy · 10-09-2003, 12:39 AM

damn is that real??that looks like fun

nocomedown · 11-12-2003, 09:28 PM

that looks like so much fun. i really wanna try it, but i have no previous experience. is there any way that you can practice for it. is just finding a large field and getting a feel for the "off road" driving a good idea? i always kinda assumed a RWD car wouldnt be too great at rally-x, but i guess you proved me wrong

Rennen · 11-12-2003, 10:34 PM

Oh yeah, I forgot to post it here

I finally went to a rallycross that wasn't cancelled!

I have never had more fun in a car! It was a very new experience for me to have my car oversteer the entire track. On pavement, I can usually only get a feeble kick of the rear, but out on dirt I was frantically countersteering the whole time! Also the track was HUGE, the course was over a minute and a half long(for reference, most of the autoXs I have been to are 50-40 seconds). There were lots of nice features, long sweepers, hairpins, switchbacks, slaloms, elevation changes, and off camber turns.

I don't claim to have ever been "drifting", but I have accidently gotten my car fairly sideways on an autocross course, and this was completely different. I could play around with the different textures of the track, easily using the loose dirt on the outside of the turns to create oversteer, and could link the turns together with ease.

I was doing this event purely for fun, the times haven't been posted yet, but I am sure mine wasn't too great, the open diff made it quite difficult to get traction, there was actually only one small portion of the track where I didn't have pure wheelspin.

I didn't get a whole lot of pics because I didn't have someone to be my photographer, and the camera I had was running out of batteries, but here are some. Imagestation is fucking with me as of late, and I don't know whether or not these will show up.

http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4288627057

the start(not tire smoke

)

a little slide, most of my good slides were on the other side of the hill, so no good dirt drift shots. (add .orig.jpg to see full size)

trying to get some grip into the finish

Staging

Dirty tires, surprisingly enough I didn't break anything. The only casualty of the day was my driver's side inner fender, the wheel bottomed out and ripped it clean off, scared the crap out of me during my run.

If you are in the Missouri or Illinois area, check out http://www.rallycross.us/ Like I said, I had alot of fun, and I would recommend it to anyone. I also got to drive a friend's AE86 in the dirt, and he got to drive my car, he pulled of one of the most sideways drifts in my car I have ever witnessed, it was truly awesome.

-Matt

SilviaSativa · 11-17-2003, 11:32 PM

Rennen,
Hey wassup man, I see you are from the KC area. I was just wandering if you could inform me on some dates for events around the KC area. I would really like to go check out the action.

Thanks man!

Rennen · 11-18-2003, 09:30 AM

SilviaSativa-

Sadly enough, the autocross and rallycross seasons are over till the weather gets nice again

If you are interested in autocross, KC has one of the best regions I have been to, 2 different clubs put on autocrosses:
KC region SCCA: http://kcrscca.org/solo/solo.htm
and Crown Autocross Club: http://crownautocross.org/

Keep an eye on those websites for a schedule next year.

As for rallycross, you are going to have to like to drive real far to get to the events. The Pittsburg,Ill event that I posted about was a little over 4 hours away from Columbia, so it would be around a 6 hour trip from KC. Most of the events are around that far away. I still think its worth it.

Again, no schedule up for next year, but check out http://www.rallycross.us/ for any updates.

Hope to see you out at some events next year,

-Matt

EchoOfSilence · 12-08-2003, 09:47 PM

does anyone know if Cali holds any of these events? i'd kill to try.....

Rennen · 12-08-2003, 10:53 PM

It'd be nice to think that Missouri had something that Cali didn't, but a quick search proved that California has better rallycrosses too

http://www.shults.com/rallycross/

http://www.sfrscca.org/RallyX/default.htm

http://californiarallyseries.com/

http://www.lvrscca.org/rallyx/welcome.html

http://www.scca.org/amateur/performa...oss/index.html

I have little idea of how close any of those places are to LA, but they are in California. I live where I can get anywhere in my state in 3 hours, so my perception of "close" may be a little warped.

-Matt

10-01-2003, 08:02 AM	#1
jmauld Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Age: 45 Posts: 362 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	240sx in the dirt Here are some pictures of my first rallycross. I juse barely pulled off a 1st place against some pretty good drivers. Dusty drift Rooster tail rear shot Wife's Rooster tail __________________ Jason '95 240sx SE

10-01-2003, 10:17 AM	#2
Burmonster Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Woodstock, Georgia Age: 42 Posts: 652 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Thats a new one. Bet your filters are nice and clean after that fun. __________________ Fat girls are like scooters...they are fun until your friends see you riding one. "Did you ever think that it could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others?" A -> B

10-01-2003, 11:34 AM	#3
Rennen Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: WichitAr, KS Age: 38 Posts: 877 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Rennen Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Nice! Can I ask about your rallycross setup vs your autocross setup and perhaps driving techniques. What Tires and what pressures did you run? I am prepping my car for my first rallycross this weekend. It should be nice and mudddy. -Matt __________________ '89 Nissan 240SX fastback: #23 DSP/RallyMod2/Track Slut '95 BMW 540i 6 speed: Ultimate Commuting Machine PFM Racing www.solo2.org www.midwest240sx.com

10-01-2003, 08:25 PM	#4
jmauld Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Age: 45 Posts: 362 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I ran the same shock setup for both. My koni's were set about 1/2 stiffness all around, with stock springs. My tire pressures were 32lbs fr/rr. Rallycross is a good time to learn left foot braking. Just keep your right foot planted, turn WAYYY before the curve and tap the brakes occasionally. Okay, you can't really keep your left foot planted the whole time, but you shouldn't have to move it off the gas pedal. You will probably do very little braking. For preventive purposes, I'd remove the front plastic spoiler if you have one. __________________ Jason '95 240sx SE Last edited by jmauld; 10-01-2003 at 08:35 PM..

10-01-2003, 09:37 PM	#6
jmauld Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Age: 45 Posts: 362 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Look at that picture and imagine a 6-12" dirt buildup in front of your car. As long as you stay on-line, you'll never hit that, but turn late just once and you would end up hitting one of them. I don't know if it would hurt the spoiler or not, but I was going to take mine off to repaint it anyway, so I thought it was a good time to do it. Our field wasn't too bumpy, mainly because the sand in this area is easily moved around by a car. If the dirt where you're at is harder then it might be bumpier. __________________ Jason '95 240sx SE

10-01-2003, 10:02 PM	#7
Rennen Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: WichitAr, KS Age: 38 Posts: 877 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Rennen Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I hadn't thought about the dirt brim on the outsides of the corners, I guess I will just take it off to be safe. Thanks again. -Matt PS, I find this really funny that I am being such a pussy about a little piece of plastic on my $1,400 car when I will be out there with people driving the crap out of brand new $30k EVO's and STi's __________________ '89 Nissan 240SX fastback: #23 DSP/RallyMod2/Track Slut '95 BMW 540i 6 speed: Ultimate Commuting Machine PFM Racing www.solo2.org www.midwest240sx.com

10-06-2003, 03:58 PM	#9
Rennen Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: WichitAr, KS Age: 38 Posts: 877 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Rennen Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yeah, I love those pics (saw em on FA) they are truly awesome. PM'd the guy he was super nice. His webpage can be found here: http://www.carsnstripes.com/ But thats not a rallycross, thats a full blown rally. Oh, get this: I drove all the way down to my rallycross and they cancelled it! Something about the access road being impassable, I hate rural Missouri!:hammer: -Matt __________________ '89 Nissan 240SX fastback: #23 DSP/RallyMod2/Track Slut '95 BMW 540i 6 speed: Ultimate Commuting Machine PFM Racing www.solo2.org www.midwest240sx.com

10-07-2003, 04:34 PM	#10
nokeone on strike three. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Santa Cruz, California Age: 42 Posts: 3,282 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	wow!!..that really looks like alot of fun....wonder if they ever have them out in Cali..hmmm.. __________________ panda; rockin your socks from the Bay to LA to SD, yay! Pink GodziRa

10-09-2003, 12:39 AM	#11
hondaguy Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: salinas monterey seaside area Age: 37 Posts: 550 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	damn is that real??that looks like fun __________________ if i had a dollar for every dollar i put in my car.........i would have all my money back

11-12-2003, 09:28 PM	#12
nocomedown Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: West Lafayette, IN / TX Age: 35 Posts: 1,359 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: nocomedown Feedback Score: 0 reviews	that looks like so much fun. i really wanna try it, but i have no previous experience. is there any way that you can practice for it. is just finding a large field and getting a feel for the "off road" driving a good idea? i always kinda assumed a RWD car wouldnt be too great at rally-x, but i guess you proved me wrong

11-12-2003, 10:34 PM	#13
Rennen Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: WichitAr, KS Age: 38 Posts: 877 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Rennen Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Oh yeah, I forgot to post it here I finally went to a rallycross that wasn't cancelled! I have never had more fun in a car! It was a very new experience for me to have my car oversteer the entire track. On pavement, I can usually only get a feeble kick of the rear, but out on dirt I was frantically countersteering the whole time! Also the track was HUGE, the course was over a minute and a half long(for reference, most of the autoXs I have been to are 50-40 seconds). There were lots of nice features, long sweepers, hairpins, switchbacks, slaloms, elevation changes, and off camber turns. I don't claim to have ever been "drifting", but I have accidently gotten my car fairly sideways on an autocross course, and this was completely different. I could play around with the different textures of the track, easily using the loose dirt on the outside of the turns to create oversteer, and could link the turns together with ease. I was doing this event purely for fun, the times haven't been posted yet, but I am sure mine wasn't too great, the open diff made it quite difficult to get traction, there was actually only one small portion of the track where I didn't have pure wheelspin. I didn't get a whole lot of pics because I didn't have someone to be my photographer, and the camera I had was running out of batteries, but here are some. Imagestation is fucking with me as of late, and I don't know whether or not these will show up. http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4288627057 the start(not tire smoke ) a little slide, most of my good slides were on the other side of the hill, so no good dirt drift shots. (add .orig.jpg to see full size) trying to get some grip into the finish Staging Dirty tires, surprisingly enough I didn't break anything. The only casualty of the day was my driver's side inner fender, the wheel bottomed out and ripped it clean off, scared the crap out of me during my run. If you are in the Missouri or Illinois area, check out http://www.rallycross.us/ Like I said, I had alot of fun, and I would recommend it to anyone. I also got to drive a friend's AE86 in the dirt, and he got to drive my car, he pulled of one of the most sideways drifts in my car I have ever witnessed, it was truly awesome. -Matt __________________ '89 Nissan 240SX fastback: #23 DSP/RallyMod2/Track Slut '95 BMW 540i 6 speed: Ultimate Commuting Machine PFM Racing www.solo2.org www.midwest240sx.com

11-17-2003, 11:32 PM	#14
SilviaSativa Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Honolulu Age: 34 Posts: 441 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Rennen, Hey wassup man, I see you are from the KC area. I was just wandering if you could inform me on some dates for events around the KC area. I would really like to go check out the action. Thanks man! __________________

11-18-2003, 09:30 AM	#15
Rennen Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: WichitAr, KS Age: 38 Posts: 877 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Rennen Feedback Score: 0 reviews	SilviaSativa- Sadly enough, the autocross and rallycross seasons are over till the weather gets nice again If you are interested in autocross, KC has one of the best regions I have been to, 2 different clubs put on autocrosses: KC region SCCA: http://kcrscca.org/solo/solo.htm and Crown Autocross Club: http://crownautocross.org/ Keep an eye on those websites for a schedule next year. As for rallycross, you are going to have to like to drive real far to get to the events. The Pittsburg,Ill event that I posted about was a little over 4 hours away from Columbia, so it would be around a 6 hour trip from KC. Most of the events are around that far away. I still think its worth it. Again, no schedule up for next year, but check out http://www.rallycross.us/ for any updates. Hope to see you out at some events next year, -Matt __________________ '89 Nissan 240SX fastback: #23 DSP/RallyMod2/Track Slut '95 BMW 540i 6 speed: Ultimate Commuting Machine PFM Racing www.solo2.org www.midwest240sx.com

12-08-2003, 09:47 PM	#16
EchoOfSilence Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles/Berkeley, CA Posts: 2,238 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	does anyone know if Cali holds any of these events? i'd kill to try..... __________________ Petition Nissan to Make the IDx on http://IDxClub.co !

12-08-2003, 10:53 PM	#17
Rennen Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: WichitAr, KS Age: 38 Posts: 877 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Rennen Feedback Score: 0 reviews	It'd be nice to think that Missouri had something that Cali didn't, but a quick search proved that California has better rallycrosses too http://www.shults.com/rallycross/ http://www.sfrscca.org/RallyX/default.htm http://californiarallyseries.com/ http://www.lvrscca.org/rallyx/welcome.html http://www.scca.org/amateur/performa...oss/index.html I have little idea of how close any of those places are to LA, but they are in California. I live where I can get anywhere in my state in 3 hours, so my perception of "close" may be a little warped. -Matt __________________ '89 Nissan 240SX fastback: #23 DSP/RallyMod2/Track Slut '95 BMW 540i 6 speed: Ultimate Commuting Machine PFM Racing www.solo2.org www.midwest240sx.com

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