OrangeVirus1

yea already read all that stuff.

my link was from 2011 btw.

and All you need to know is that the real truth is Ancient Aliens

Celli

Appologies, I didn't mean the link, I meant the content of the link. The "fast neutrinos" we're recorded in 2007.

And, no. The real truth is in God. And in Jesus our savior.

turbobrick

The fact that an object that has mass cannot reach the speed of light can be proven mathematically. Also, anything that has no mass such as photons, must always travel at the speed of light.

Celli

Thank you for your insights turbobrick! That particular info I did not know.

Guess that ruins the James bond photon cannon

nujabe

This is my type of thread. Bump for smart people.

__________________
Some black guy who lurks zilvia.

Celli

Do you have anything to add? Any feelings on the matter of time travel?

One_love_silvia

let's try to keep religion out of this conversation please.


And i understand that it's been "proven" that mass can't travel the speed of light. moving 99% the speed of light however, may not.

To say that something is impossible is to limit yourself, as well as the rest of humanity. If you told someone even 50 years ago what we've accomplished today, they would have said it was impossible. some scientists are currently developing things that BEND light around an object, making it appear (or disappear :P) invisible. if we can manipulate light, what else do u think is possible to do with it? what properties of light give it the ability to move so rapidly? is it the mass-less-ness of it? who knows. only further research could explain that.

this is why i ask to keep religion out of the conversation. Religion is a way people explain the unknown. Science is the one that questions the unknown, and makes the discoveries. Religion could never aid science, as it's not a theory. it's a belief. That's why religion has to change, every time a new major discovery is made. IE the earth being round. They used to believe that the earth was flat, and as you travel more and more south, you would eventually reach hell. they thought this because it got hotter and hotter the farther south you traveled. They also believed black people to be the burned sinners from hell. Now we understand that that was incredibly racist, as well as wrong. The reason it got hotter as they went south, is due to the equator, and the tilt of the earth on it's axis. And black people probably evolved to their dark skin, due to the heat and longer days in africa.


To simply deny something possible because it isn't known as possible at the time, is completely ignorant. No offense. If you call things impossible, then there is no need for further evaluation. If there is no need for further evaluation, then there is no progress made. If there is no progress made, then we would still be cavemen.

__________________
1995 s14 240sx "Akuma"- RIP
1995 s14 240sx SE "Kintaro"

Celli

I guess you have a very good point about that. My reasoning for saying it is impossible however are based on the current theory of mass and light. Unlike 50 years ago, we have highly developedxqu machines and mathematical equations to say its impossible(or highly improbable). 50 years ago, their reasoning for it not being possible was simply because they didn't understand the subject.

Hopefully to make my point relative, look at medicine. In the 1700's they stuffed beetles down your throat for a fever simply because they thought it worked. At the time, there was no "scientific process". The more developed we have become, the more we have been able to adress science. Will we continue to develope? Of course. Will we find new things once thought impossible? Probably.

I don't want to rule out the possibility of moving at the speed of light. Based on what I know, it isn't possible, but I only know what I've learned from studies.

And what just came to me. So maybe no mass naturally moves at the speed of light(like ununquadium doesn't occur naturally). But maybe there is a way to MAKE it?

My final thoughts on religion. Everything you mentioned on religion are beliefs of people created by people. Nothing you said can be derived from the bible. I fully understand you saying to keep religion out. It's your topic and it's fair enough for you to say it. But much like you say nothing is impossible, I see religion as... Well now that I started typing it haha I'm not sure WHAT I see it as. So I guess thats a good place to leave it.

ayuaddict

If and when the ability to travel to the past is available, it would be literally the greatest responsibility of all time not to destroy everything. So the only reasonable thing to do would be to set a limit on when in time you can travel back to, of course to be reasonable, a time before the discovery of traveling into the past would be off limits so we would not be visited, ever.

Or perhaps we were visited, which changed the course of history enough to actually deter the discovery of time travel or set back the discovery.

Theories are always very interesting to me.

P.S. if time travel is possible today, neither you nor I would know.

Celli

Very good point. Time travel could ultimately be the most destructive thing man has created. IF travel backwards was possible, I have a feeling it would be so incredibly regulated, we may not evn know exists. Personally, I can't think of any GOOD use for time travel. Changing anything in the past will destroy the future. Seeing the future is just as dangerous.

However, I have heard a theory of multiple dimensions. The theory says that if you travel backwards in time, you are ACTIALLY back into time in a different demension. And if you change something, it only affects the future of said demension.

mewantkouki

I think time is continuous. If you think about it if forward or reverse time travel actually existed then it's safe to say that people in the future and past are currently existing with those in the present albeit at a different point on the line. I will say that the present and past are the most influential point on the line though because they are responsible for the future.

0100

Exactly. You guys should look up many worlds quantum theory, where the universe splits for every possible outcome. Kinda mind blowing, but when you sit down and think about it, it makes sense.

__________________

TougeHero.com l SilviaV8forums.com

OrangeVirus1

here is the only thing that Gets me and I can NEVER wrap my mind completely around it.

lets say you have a time machine. you are 20 years old. and you can go back to the past. You Go back to the past and murder YOURSELF as a baby. Or you kill your mother while she is prego with you..

It's an impossible equation to get past.

SINCE : in-order for you to even reach 20 years old, that means you were not dead as a baby and lived to 20 years old, then you travel back in time and kill yourself. BUT how would you even travel back in time to kill yourself if you never aged to 20 years old because you died from getting killed by yourself?

Somebody explain to me.. because it is something that never comes out with a logical conclusion in my head.

( I know this is the Time travel Paradox )

0100

It could work in a many worlds theory.

__________________

TougeHero.com l SilviaV8forums.com

OrangeVirus1

that would mean you would be killing a different version of yourself... that's fucked up

One_love_silvia

it sounds like everyone here would enjoy watching steins gate. regardless of whether or not you like anime lol

__________________
1995 s14 240sx "Akuma"- RIP
1995 s14 240sx SE "Kintaro"

Celli

how is this a paradox? you turn 20, go back in time, kill yourself, and then you automatically disapear. You are assuming with time travel that everything has a predetermined fate. If that were the case, it would be impossible to kill yourself in the past. But then again, it would be impossible to change ANYTHING in the past because its fate is already predetermined. Well now if that's the case, it would be impossible to travel back in time in the first place becasue no matter how long you are there or how little impact you made, something changes.

conrad_s13.5

Came in this thread expecting to laugh........legit shit

No super smart theories on it here, in for the read tho!

__________________
cONtRol FReAkS

Celli

feel free to chime in or ask questions!

Repiv

Science goes in, time travel comes out.

__________________
1988 BMW M3, 1999 BMW M3, 1990 Mazda Miata

OrangeVirus1

but but but...

Still doesn't make sense to me.

because if you go back and kill yourself, you never grew up to kill yourself. so it is impossible to go back and kill yourself.

it's just a never ending loop.

And it is the exact definition of the Time travel paradox lol

Mikey213

You want to know about time travel? Pick up a Dr. Michio Kaku read!

Celli

Facepalm that's the point. Once you kill yourself, you would just disappear. You are thinking way to hard on it.

Celli

If you can't grasp it, maybe you should just leave it alone.

feito

Think about time dimensions as different roads. Say there are 2 roads representing different time dimensions, on one you r 20 years and on the other one you were just born. Your 20 yo self jumps from his road to your just born self to kill him. He succeeds, now he just jumps back into his original road. Nothing has changed on his original road because by jumping back in time he actually jumped onto a different road. But what if your 20 yo self had killed 10 innocent people in like a massacre or something, on his original road of course. By killing your just born self he just prevented a massacre in the future of your just born self's road, wont change a thing on your 20 yo self's road, but at least some lives were saved on another road(dimension). Am i clear? I doubt it.
Man i cant believe some people are actually bringing religion into this topic, smh...

Celli

I uh... I think I see what you're trying to get at. But in some places I can't tell because of all the spelling and grammar... And with religion, it has a place anywhere. Is it a valid argument? No because it's not proven fact. But that doesn't mean it isn't relevant to the topic. Only reason religion should be left out of THIS conversation is because OP requested so.

OrangeVirus1

You guys are just not understanding what I am saying. you should read up about what a Time travel paradox is.
Think about it in your head.

Let's say this : year 2011, you are born.
year 2031, you are 20 years old.
year 2032, time machine comes out.
you take the time maching back to 2010.
you kill your mother in 2010.

How the fuck did you just kill your mother in 2010? you would of HAD to existed inorder to do it. but in order to do it, your mother would of had to give birth to you.

I think you guys are thinking that when you travel "into the past" it's a DIFFERENT past then what has happened. No.

If I had a time machine, I should be able to travel back in time to a month ago, I should be able to observe myself doing what I was a month ago.

Or If I traveled back in time to when Abraham lincoln got shot, I would be there to observe that SAME bullet made out of the exact same metal, exact same Atoms and molecules in that very room, 1:1, shot at abraham lincoln in that SAME theater, at that exact SAME point in time, with the Earth/ sun/ planets all being in the EXACT same place/ orbit at that very minute.


if that is not the case, you are not traveling back in time. you are merely traveling into a completely different reality.

Celli

Seriously? once again you are assuming "predetermined fate".

NOT predetermined: born 2000. 2030, time machine comes out. Go back to 1999 and kill your mom, NOW you disappear right as you kill your mom. That's because her fate was NOT predetermined.

Now, if fate IS predetermined, then yes, you would be correct. But if you go back to my previous post, if EVERYTHING is predetermined, time travel would be impossible.

If that isn't clear enough, please leave this thread. The grown ups are discussing time travel and the reality of it. Not predetermined paradoxes.

One_love_silvia

considering predetermination, even if u somehow stop yourself from mass murdering 10 people in the future, if it truly is predetermined, those people will still die, that same day, at the same time. it may be of a different cause, or it may be someone else who will kill them. but if it is their fate to die that day, killing your past self would not prevent it from happening.

__________________
1995 s14 240sx "Akuma"- RIP
1995 s14 240sx SE "Kintaro"

Celli

Well said. My only bit to pick is if one thing has a predestined fate, everything has a predestined fate. With a predestined fate, time travel could not be possible because even being "back in time" for a millisecond changes SOMETHING. And if that something was predetermined, you couldn't change it.