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zo0d · 07-27-2012, 11:13 PM

Z's have always had 6 cylinders. It should stay that way.

I could only dream that Nissan develops a new I6 for the next iteration.

Karlitos · 07-27-2012, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by zo0d

Z's have always had 6 cylinders. It should stay that way.

I could only dream that Nissan develops a new I6 for the next iteration.

THIS!..

Nissan marketing would make a huge mistake to call it a z and remove a 6 cyl. The problem is, from 3.5>3.7, the next step would be a 3.9 and even if it were a 3.8 they cant match that against the GTR, it would cut sales. Unless they moved up to a 4.0 GTR but I doubt that would happen.

If nissan is making a new "compact" car, it would not be called a z. But probably based off the same platform since nissan only uses like 2 or 3 platforms lol. It would probably not be an "s chassis" either. Nissans pretty much marketed themselves out of making a new gt86 competitor.

They have too many of these funky suv/crossover type things (rouge, cube, versa, murano, juke). But I can see them bringing back a sort of 2 door FWD sentra SE-R package with the 1.6T from whatever that other box is.

Drifting Kalamari · 07-28-2012, 12:54 AM

They'll call it a Z25, just like the G25... Buncha crap

Ruinning the Z's name by throwing in a 4 banger

ixfxi · 07-28-2012, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by conwest

keeping the 370 body style though? wtf that shit is fugly hence why it hasn't sold well

it hasnt sold well because people are broke. people dont buy cars when they are broke.

funny quote from the blog link, i love it... proof that idiots still exist:

"vantageman says:
08:43 PM, 07/12/2012
The 240sx sucked it was heavy and slow other than being rear wheel drive and looking nice it had no other strong points worth buying it when it last went out it was very expensive, incredibly slow and not worth looking at in the sports car arena."

i didnt realize our cars were heavy! hahahah

i dunno, i have no interest in the FRS/BRZ vehicles. cool, underpowered... its a spinoff that is reminding the manufacturers that a simple light-weight rwd platform is still of interest. i dont understand how the big manufacturers forget this. its been proven time and time again: 240sx, miata, fc rx7.... everyone loves cheap and light.

idiots

the new z should be called a 240SX, period. the 370z should STAY the 370z.

codyace · 07-28-2012, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

nissan HAD the new S chassis in clay and ready to show...theyre missing the ball again like theyve done SO many times already in the last 12 years *face/desk*

I'm curious about how Nissan is missing the ball again...especially with how well some of their cars have been selling. Can't blame Nissan for building cars that the majority want...

Small,light....it's all cool...but these OEM's seem to forget power when it comes to that setup anymore. Why on earth would I want to buy this new 's chassis' (which we'll guess will be placed at 22-26k if it was even real)...and then need to dump another 4-6k into it to go fast? Screw that.

Salem240 · 07-28-2012, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Drifting Kalamari

They'll call it a Z25, just like the G25... Buncha crap

Ruinning the Z's name by throwing in a 4 banger

Why is it everyone thinks the G25 is 4cyl, I guess to assume Nissan would cheap out and slap the QR in it?

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Originally Posted by ixfxi

it hasnt sold well because people are broke. people dont buy cars when they are broke.

funny quote from the blog link, i love it... proof that idiots still exist:

"vantageman says:
08:43 PM, 07/12/2012
The 240sx sucked it was heavy and slow other than being rear wheel drive and looking nice it had no other strong points worth buying it when it last went out it was very expensive, incredibly slow and not worth looking at in the sports car arena."

i didnt realize our cars were heavy! hahahah

i dunno, i have no interest in the FRS/BRZ vehicles. cool, underpowered... its a spinoff that is reminding the manufacturers that a simple light-weight rwd platform is still of interest. i dont understand how the big manufacturers forget this. its been proven time and time again: 240sx, miata, fc rx7.... everyone loves cheap and light.

idiots

the new z should be called a 240SX, period. the 370z should STAY the 370z.

Where's the damn like button?

driftsucky · 07-28-2012, 11:13 AM

+1

If they want a new FRS/BRZ/GENISIS fighter, take the Altima Coupe that only 7 people liked and only 5 bought, make it RWD, give it the headlights and taillights of the 370Z...DONE!!! The Altima is now mirroring the Maxima, so it's an easy and pliable..and CHEAP way to "have a new car" and not eff up what's going on now.

240SXK · 07-28-2012, 11:20 AM

s-chassis is dead, quit calling z's frs and whatever other crap the new 240.

FRpilot · 07-28-2012, 11:59 AM

wouldn't it perform even worse if nissan they would put a 4 cylinder in a z34 chassis when it already drives slow and feels heavy with the v6 in it?

the problem is reusing the same z chassis. that body looks fat and huge no matter what you do to it. nissan needs to design a smaller compact body like the frs/brz, otherwise they are just selling 370z with a na 4 cylinder in it. i wonder if they also considered that potential buyers could buy a used REAL 370z for around the same price or lower than this "s chassis" NEW from a dealer.

ixfxi · 07-28-2012, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FRpilot

wouldn't it perform even worse if nissan they would put a 4 cylinder in a z34 chassis when it already drives slow and feels heavy with the v6 in it?

i dont know of any human beings that think the Z is slow, regardless if its z33 or z34 - they've always been very acceptable in terms of power. a stock z33 was still faster in a straight line than a z33... theyre plenty capable.

i dont get it. we just need cheaper cars with smaller, more efficient motors. gas is expensive, cars are expensive... life is expensive. lets move on with cars few can afford and just have cars that normal people CAN afford.

the z34 is out of my price range, not because i cant afford it.. but because i cant justify spending that kind of money on " a car " ... just because its new.

new cars shouldnt be so fucking expensive.

driftsucky · 07-28-2012, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ixfxi

i dont know of any human beings that think the Z is slow, regardless if its z33 or z34 - .

for srs? I know plenty of people who think the Z is low. I'm one of'em. I've owned a Z and have a G now and niether are what I'd consider "fast" cars. They're both fun as a room full-o-boobies, but neither are fast. And, oddly enough, I don't know anyone who doesn't wear their hat backwards, that thinks they're fast.

raz0rbladez909 · 07-28-2012, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by driftsucky

for srs? I know plenty of people who think the Z is low. I'm one of'em. I've owned a Z and have a G now and niether are what I'd consider "fast" cars. They're both fun as a room full-o-boobies, but neither are fast. And, oddly enough, I don't know anyone who doesn't wear their hat backwards, that thinks they're fast.

In what world is a car that can run mid 13's in the 1/4 and 0-60 in close to 5 seconds flat slow? I understand that it's no Mustang GT or Camaro SS in terms of power, but the Z is a very capable car for what it is. At 30K(base) it's not the cheapest bang for the buck but it is very reasonable for what you get. Like someone else said the Z has ALWAYS been a 6-cyl, and I seriously doubt that will ever change.

Mind you the VQ35HR(306)/VQ37VHR(330/350) are still making more power per liter than the Mustangs 3.6 V6(305)/5.0 V8(412) which is an incredible feat.

240SXK · 07-28-2012, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by raz0rbladez909

In what world is a car that can run mid 13's in the 1/4 and 0-60 in close to 5 seconds flat slow? I understand that it's no Mustang GT or Camaro SS in terms of power, but the Z is a very capable car for what it is. At 30K(base) it's not the cheapest bang for the buck but it is very reasonable for what you get. Like someone else said the Z has ALWAYS been a 6-cyl, and I seriously doubt that will ever change.

Mind you the VQ35HR(306)/VQ37VHR(330/350) are still making more power per liter than the Mustangs 3.6 V6(305)/5.0 V8(412) which is an incredible feat.

people are too used to modded cars vs factory cars. therefore anything that does not beat a z06 is slow.

they should buy eg civics, throw a 40r and run 10s, since that would be more overall satisfying to them than owning a modern technology real sportscar that is actually quick for what it is and more.

then again.. this is a 240 forum LOL

driftsucky · 07-28-2012, 02:46 PM

In a world where I drove a SRT-4 before my Z, and a SRT8 300C before my G. Orrrrr, in a world where people give a damn about 1/4 times. Cuz lesbi honest. 13sec isn't that fast down the 1320. Like I said, the Z/G is a FUNNNN car. Absolutely LOVE'em, which is why I buy'em. But, I didn't buy it for speed and anyone who does is...well...not used to fast cars.

And quick and fun is not the same as fast. Personally, I prefer quick/fun cars to fast ones. Just sayin

Other cars that aren't fast but have been mentioned: anything Honda ever made for production EVER!!!! True Story.

*!Zar!* · 07-28-2012, 02:52 PM

Why don't you all buy a base model 1 series or a 3 series?

Handeling and rear wheel drive. Both have sufficient power.

driftsucky · 07-28-2012, 02:58 PM

1 series is for women and 3 series break too much.

*!Zar!* · 07-28-2012, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by driftsucky

1 series is for women and 3 series break too much.

I've mostly seen bro chicks drive the FT-86 and the Genesis, so go figure.

And the 3 series will break? Details please.

driftsucky · 07-28-2012, 03:09 PM

I have niether and care smallly. so smally that I've used a word that's not even a word.

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Originally Posted by AzuMaster

I have a 335i... Its a piece of sh!t. Been back to the dealer 4 times in 7 months. Under 60K miles. Worst car I've ever owned as far as reliability goes. I can't wait until I owe less than its worth so I can sell this b!tch and just get rid of the headache. I had my G for 4yrs and had problems with it ONCE. Don't do it unless you're buying a brand new one... & even still I wldnt recommend this car. Yes it's fast, it handles well, it's sexy, it's a head turner, it's incredibly easy to mod and build power... But what's the point if it's in the shop once a month for 1-2wks at a time? Not to mention you can't do any real power modifications while it's still under warranty. Not like the G where you never had to go to the dealer so they wld not find your mods... The dealer will be your second home. I hate this car... & I REALLY LOVED IT BEFORE I BOUGHT IT!!! Save yourself the headache and stay away. Or buy an older M3.

thefro526 · 07-28-2012, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by !Zar!

Why don't you all buy a base model 1 series or a 3 series?

Handeling and rear wheel drive. Both have sufficient power.

This.

E9x 335i's and 135i's are getting reasonably cheap. It takes about 2.5-3k to make 400 wheel in one of those cars.... And if you get a CPO and know how to mod it, everything is warrantied until 100k or so. Food for thought.

*!Zar!* · 07-28-2012, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by driftsucky

I have niether and care smallly. so smally that I've used a word that's not even a word.

What problems did they have? Isolated case? I know someone first hand that has a 1-series and they have had NO issues with it.

Do remember, people love to complain. When things are going right they keep quiet.

dragonbreath · 07-28-2012, 03:24 PM

The z34 isn't selling well because like someone said above people are broke. Not to mention we're having to deal with the lower dollar to yen rate that makes these cars more expensive than they should be.

Also I wouldnt call the HR 350z or the 370z slow. They aren't fast but they aren't slow either. Yeah if you are used to driving 50-60k dollar cars they probably are, but the Z's are also thousands cheaper.

*!Zar!* · 07-28-2012, 03:26 PM

The z34 doesn't quite have a market, that is the problem with it.

The ft86 and the genesis coupe don't quite have a market either, but we'll see how it goes.

driftsucky · 07-28-2012, 03:28 PM

No no no. Not the 1 series. We've already established that to be a woman's car. 3 series is the car I quoted. I have friends with issues with the turbo because (they say) the FMIC is horribly designed. I don't know enough about bimmers nor care enough about always going fast to ask them cuz that just opens the door for them to talk my ear off about things I don't care about. Plus, an FMIC with mandrel bent tubing can only be so poorly designed. I mean, the intercooler itself I guess could suck, but how hard is that to do really? And it's bimmer. I'm sure they're ok at doing that. At any rate, this would be a great suggestion to the OP who cares about a car he's not going to buy.

Driftnaut · 07-28-2012, 06:00 PM

Stop comparing Japanese car to mustangs, there are very few 40 year old women here and they are the only ones who dove them here. We probably wouldn't be so annoyed with Nissan for denying us an s-chassis if we had gotten the s-15

raz0rbladez909 · 07-28-2012, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Driftnaut

Stop comparing Japanese car to mustangs, there are very few 40 year old women here and they are the only ones who dove them here. We probably wouldn't be so annoyed with Nissan for denying us an s-chassis if we had gotten the s-15

What's wrong with comparing them? You have to be an idiot to think that older women are the only people to buy mustangs.

Bambi · 07-28-2012, 06:54 PM

edit: Let myself care. Never care on the internet.

Drifting Kalamari · 07-28-2012, 09:27 PM

Sorry, was my mistake stating that the G25 had a 4-cyl, I know it's a 2.5l V6. I meant it'd be small like the 2.5L V6 if not a 4-cylinder. And then they'd call it a 250z or something.

If the S13 did so well and continued to sell in Japan even after they discontinued in the US, why can't they bring it back? Nissan knows it'll sell, as long as the price tag isn't too steep. Most of us 240 owners are not very rich and usually get second hand cars as to really supporting the Motor Company by buying new.

MrSanchez925 · 07-28-2012, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bambi

The V6 isn't even that great, it's good, but nothing amazing. A lighter chassis with a presumably higher revving turbo charged 4 cylinder would be funner vs having a light chassis and a heavy ass V6 that likes guzzling gas and cries at the thought of being boosted. Now I'm saying this for this new "leaner Z," I'm not saying the current Z should have a 4 banger.

the VQ is a great engine, and is very capable, especially the HR.

and the fact that they would even think about putting a 4cyl in a z is crazy.

that would KILL the Z lineage imo. it wouldn't be a "z" any longer....

dat925stunna · 07-28-2012, 10:03 PM

theres probly a FD one being built now

Bambi · 07-28-2012, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MrSanchez925

the VQ is a great engine, and is very capable, especially the HR.

and the fact that they would even think about putting a 4cyl in a z is crazy.

that would KILL the Z lineage imo. it wouldn't be a "z" any longer....

The VQ is a great NA engine. But it takes a lot of money to make it boosted and reliable. HR is fantastic but an expensive engine to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Drifting Kalamari

If the S13 did so well and continued to sell in Japan even after they discontinued in the US, why can't they bring it back? Nissan knows it'll sell, as long as the price tag isn't too steep.

If Nissan 'knows' it'll sell than they would be selling it. They've already said that they haven't because there wasn't a large enough market. That was pre-BRZ/FRS and the economy wasn't in the greatest shape either (not that it's fantastic right now).

Most 240sx owners can't afford a new "240sx" or will wait for a few years to pass to buy a used one.

Oh and also there's a reason the s chassis continued in Japan after it was discontinued in the US: it sold better in Japan.

07-28-2012, 11:13 AM	#37
driftsucky Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2007 Location: Rochester NY Age: 41 Posts: 1,331 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	+1 If they want a new FRS/BRZ/GENISIS fighter, take the Altima Coupe that only 7 people liked and only 5 bought, make it RWD, give it the headlights and taillights of the 370Z...DONE!!! The Altima is now mirroring the Maxima, so it's an easy and pliable..and CHEAP way to "have a new car" and not eff up what's going on now. __________________ @be_henney kranstogram is full of nonsense and foolishness.

07-28-2012, 02:46 PM	#44
driftsucky Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2007 Location: Rochester NY Age: 41 Posts: 1,331 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	In a world where I drove a SRT-4 before my Z, and a SRT8 300C before my G. Orrrrr, in a world where people give a damn about 1/4 times. Cuz lesbi honest. 13sec isn't that fast down the 1320. Like I said, the Z/G is a FUNNNN car. Absolutely LOVE'em, which is why I buy'em. But, I didn't buy it for speed and anyone who does is...well...not used to fast cars. And quick and fun is not the same as fast. Personally, I prefer quick/fun cars to fast ones. Just sayin Other cars that aren't fast but have been mentioned: anything Honda ever made for production EVER!!!! True Story. __________________ @be_henney kranstogram is full of nonsense and foolishness.

07-28-2012, 02:52 PM	#45
!Zar! Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,576 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	Why don't you all buy a base model 1 series or a 3 series? Handeling and rear wheel drive. Both have sufficient power. __________________

07-28-2012, 02:58 PM	#46
driftsucky Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2007 Location: Rochester NY Age: 41 Posts: 1,331 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	1 series is for women and 3 series break too much. __________________ @be_henney kranstogram is full of nonsense and foolishness.

07-28-2012, 03:24 PM	#51
dragonbreath Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Strangeland Age: 33 Posts: 46 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The z34 isn't selling well because like someone said above people are broke. Not to mention we're having to deal with the lower dollar to yen rate that makes these cars more expensive than they should be. Also I wouldnt call the HR 350z or the 370z slow. They aren't fast but they aren't slow either. Yeah if you are used to driving 50-60k dollar cars they probably are, but the Z's are also thousands cheaper. __________________ 1990 s13 coupe 09 370z

07-27-2012, 11:13 PM	#31
zo0d Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: New Jersey Age: 31 Posts: 259 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Z's have always had 6 cylinders. It should stay that way. I could only dream that Nissan develops a new I6 for the next iteration.

07-28-2012, 12:54 AM	#33
Drifting Kalamari Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Woodstock Age: 38 Posts: 176 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	They'll call it a Z25, just like the G25... Buncha crap Ruinning the Z's name by throwing in a 4 banger

07-28-2012, 11:20 AM	#38
240SXK Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: CT Posts: 221 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	s-chassis is dead, quit calling z's frs and whatever other crap the new 240.

07-28-2012, 03:26 PM	#52
!Zar! Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,576 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	The z34 doesn't quite have a market, that is the problem with it. The ft86 and the genesis coupe don't quite have a market either, but we'll see how it goes. __________________

07-28-2012, 03:28 PM	#53
driftsucky Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2007 Location: Rochester NY Age: 41 Posts: 1,331 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	No no no. Not the 1 series. We've already established that to be a woman's car. 3 series is the car I quoted. I have friends with issues with the turbo because (they say) the FMIC is horribly designed. I don't know enough about bimmers nor care enough about always going fast to ask them cuz that just opens the door for them to talk my ear off about things I don't care about. Plus, an FMIC with mandrel bent tubing can only be so poorly designed. I mean, the intercooler itself I guess could suck, but how hard is that to do really? And it's bimmer. I'm sure they're ok at doing that. At any rate, this would be a great suggestion to the OP who cares about a car he's not going to buy. __________________ @be_henney kranstogram is full of nonsense and foolishness.

07-28-2012, 06:00 PM	#54
Driftnaut Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Nashville Age: 26 Posts: 16 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Stop comparing Japanese car to mustangs, there are very few 40 year old women here and they are the only ones who dove them here. We probably wouldn't be so annoyed with Nissan for denying us an s-chassis if we had gotten the s-15

07-28-2012, 09:27 PM	#57
Drifting Kalamari Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Woodstock Age: 38 Posts: 176 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Sorry, was my mistake stating that the G25 had a 4-cyl, I know it's a 2.5l V6. I meant it'd be small like the 2.5L V6 if not a 4-cylinder. And then they'd call it a 250z or something. If the S13 did so well and continued to sell in Japan even after they discontinued in the US, why can't they bring it back? Nissan knows it'll sell, as long as the price tag isn't too steep. Most of us 240 owners are not very rich and usually get second hand cars as to really supporting the Motor Company by buying new.

07-28-2012, 10:03 PM	#59
dat925stunna Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: west pitt Cali Age: 32 Posts: 585 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	theres probly a FD one being built now

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