Bigsyke

Im going to post up what I have found works the best. I work in possibly the worst mall in the states, and have walked up on people breaking into my civic. One weekend my car was attempted 3 times, with a total of 1,200 est in damages.

Starting with the basics. Things that dont work, unless the thief is uneducated.

-NRG quick release setup. This has been proven again to be ineffective to most theives, because they could pry the NRG lock off. They do not care about damaging your stuff. They can then phone a buddy to deliver a matching release setup. Or, pry the lock off, and use a special pair of grips, which are widely availible to steer the car (even without powersteering).
-Clubs/autolocks. Clubbusters are becomming common now. You can bend the arm of the autolock and slip it off one of the pedals. The steeringwheel is even easier, pipecutters or a saw. 20seconds. The club and alike are just extra weight, unless your parking for short amounts of time.
-Most kill switches. Most theives can just listen to the relay click, or hear if the fuel pump will prime. If it doesnt, they will know the fuel pump has a kill on that circut. Unfortuneatly, there has been a writeup on here about killing the fuel pump relay. Starter, not to hard to pop the hood and run a wire directly to the starter.
-Lojack. Sorry, but this only works in a few states, and most of us know it doesnt show the exact location of the car. It shows a beacon on the troopers vehicle, and when he/she gets around to it, they might play hunt for red october.
-bestbuy/CC alarm installs. This is just bad, it exposes every critical wire a theif needs to hotwire the car. Gives all sorts of 12v access points to hotwire addition thigns like the fuel pump and what not.
-Slamming your car, or parking in a zone which you might think, prevents a flatbed. You socal guys should know some towtrucks could take your car in 30 seconds, with 3inches of clearance on all sides with new mechanical arm technologies. There was a youtube video showing a towtruck taking a corvette that was wedged between 2 cars all in 19 seconds.
-Ralveco. An exposed kill switch which promotes easy hotwiring.

Things that WORK

-Disable any power lock switch, and use your alarm for unlocking your doors. Prevents a coat hanger from flipping the unlock switch.
-Disable any internal manual door lock switch, and use your alarm again to unlock you out of your car. (most alarms "DEI" will unlock the car when you take the key out of the ignition) This is very critical, because if a theif bends your windows, he can not unlock the door manually. He would have to crawl into the car with the glass broken, while the alarm is going off (glass breakage sensor - if installed).
-Any 2way DEI paging alarm that is a clean, stealthly hidden install. This includes lengthening wires with black wires, and looming all the way up to the dash. If you want to keep your car, i reccommend removign the dash, and looming all of the ignition wires behind the dash with either stainless loom, or 3 layers of regular cable wrap and plenty of layers of electrical tape. Of course you want to do this AFTER you have tested the alarm to make sure its 100% operational. Make sure you leave the blue wire availible to be tapped into for additional sensors. You can place the alarm's brain anywhere not under the dash. If you could place it behind the dash, not accessable at any angle of reach, you may place it there. I also prefer to place them INSIDE the rear seats. Be creative, and make things seem OEM. DO NOT expose any loom or wires. Loom everything into the OEM harnesses and secure them. Make sure you use proper crimped connections, and shrink wrap. even better if you solder. For alarm install diagrams visit THE12VOLT.com Use that as a reference. Ill get some assisting install schematics up.
-Hood pins. I put 2 hood pins, and connected them to the blue wire on alarm's primary harness. This way the theif would have to use both hands to supress the alarms trigger. Works perfectly. The S14 has perfect mounting spots for these.
-DEI 520t and a backup penzio siren. Buy these WHEN you buy the alarm. The alarm is useless without these. An interior siren is 1000x more effective than an external engine bay siren. You could hide these in the vents.
-Preventing access to the hood latch on the front radiator support. Removing grilles will allow a theif to use a screwdriver to unlatch your hood. Then most likely they will begin stripping the car on the spot.
-Locking kill switch. A switch that requires a key to close the circut. Positioned in a place where they cant access the rear of the switch by any means, to close the circut. The theif would have to go directly to the source, all while the internal 120db pezio siren is going off.
-Magnetic switches. You can hide the unit behind carpet, and use a magnet to close the circut. These are nice because only you would know where the switch is, and is 100% hidden.
-dont whore your car out. I see alot of threads about cars getting jacked, when they recently posted up a build thread, but didnt secure the car 1st.
-replace your worn locks. A worn lock is useless, if it gets bad enough, you could use any key to pop it open. Check for cylinder play.
-A good GPS unit with an EWS to page you when the car leaves a set parameter. Another thing i have found that works better than any $30 gps is Verizons chaperone.

-TINT YOUR WINDOWS! I tinted my windows with theft proof tint. Not only will it take a couple more swings to break the glass, but its more difficult to locate any kill switches and looms. I linked my interior lights to a hidden relay switch. Pitch black interior = more difficult.

Another thing ive witnessed are theives driving around parking lots with their subs cranked. Theyre trying to see which cars have alarms. You can adjust the shock sensor on most of the alarms out there. I have mine about 3/4th cranked. The alarm will flag that zone for 30 seconds.

USE THIS WEBSITE FOR REFERENCE. http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread/1794938 Same concept for any car
http://www.the12volt.com
I will get more up when I return from lunch.....

mjjstang

I would not recommend to ANYBODY using a wireless remote to unlock yourself out of a car. that is one of the most careless things you can do, and could well land you at the darwin awards. I have a DEI unit that retailed for 600 dollars and my buttons don't always work. Only time I could see this as safe would be if you have the type of car that automatically mechanically unlocks when the inside handle is activated.

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Bigsyke

Most DEI alarms will unlock when you turn the ignition on, then off. No remote needed

mjjstang

Still would not recommend this to anybody, Electronics do fail, but i do think you have a great list going and hope to see more.

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Bigsyke

I have been using that for 2 years now, never failed on me. It has prevented an entry - somewhat. The theif broke the window, but couldnt unlock the door. He crawled through, and the police used DNA of the blood to trace him down. He couldnt open the doors to gain entry to the ignition harness. He crawled out and took off.

IMO preventing entry is the 1st step. You need to have the doors open to do alot of wiring. Try stealing your own car without opening the doors.

GSXRJJordan

I don't know how you can recommend DEI stuff so heavily, when their remotes are some of the worst, and most expensive, pieces of crap I've ever seen.

For that reason alone, I use Compustar stuff (Scosche currently). I agree on all the locking killswitch/proper underdash and loomed install stuff though. Good info.

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projectRDM

Deadbolt the doors. We did it for a few customers back in the day, drill through the door jamb into the door, then mount a linear actuator in the quarter panel behind the hole. With the alarm armed the actuator rod extends out into the door, just like a deadbolt. Even unlocked the door won't open unless you unbolt the hinges and pull the whole door off the car.

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Bigsyke

Im writing this on the fly. I use DEI stuff and have never had issues. Compustar is also a good brand.

I fixed my remote issues by relocating my units ground to a more solid ground, and placing my transmitter in a more optimal place.

Ive also been told all grounds should lead to the same ground point.

GSXRJJordan

That's a great idea! I think I'm actually gonna do this, because my door actuators don't work right now I guess the only issue would be weather sealing it, because that part of the door/quarterpanel isn't sealed. I'm definitely going to look into this, thanks Russ!

I've done this, but usually because I don't like a lot of the grounding points around the tunnel. I welded a M6 bolt up-side down on the tunnel towards the firewall when I was seam welding the passenger compartment, and use ring terminals and a lock nut for grounds... keeps everything nice and short, and all grounded to the same place.

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projectRDM

The door is sealed to the body, just drill before the weatherstrip. Open the door and you'll see what I mean. Even a bit of intrusion is alright, both places have drains anyway.

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kaking

never heard of this but it sounds good. imma look into this, got any links? 240's are the new civic in my neighborhood...im scared to drive my car anywhere i gotta park it...i suggest another daily

Bigsyke

I have 2 civics, and bought an s14 seeing how bad civics were being picked up :hammer: .

If anyone needs help on some of the wiring I did the stealth install in about 6 hours. A good cheap alarm for people on a budget is a hornet 745t.

I also suggest ridding your 12v cig light adapters. Some honda guys have had their ITR's hotwired by using the 12v to bypass a kill switch. Unfortunately nodays you need to sacrifice comfort and things to keep whats yours.

Team DET

all good ideas but the best is leaving your fixed up 240 at home buy a pos car 4 dd my.02 cents

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Anto

Adding a kill switch isn't useless, it's just another layer of protection. Figure 20 seconds figuring out where that is, then another 20 busting through your autolock, and another 20 breaking through your starter kill, that's another minute he's exposed.

Not useless.
Just don't rely on the fuel kill alone to stop them.

SR_Elliott24

What i have seen some honda guys do and this might be a little extreme is that i have seen them pull their ecu's out of the car. Yet the alarms still work.

projectRDM

I'm sure there's something somewhere. The cars I did were before the internet and it wasn't like we took pics to show people, kind of defeats the purpose of security if people know what's securing the car.

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norbac

never heard about deadbolting doors, sounds like a good thing, that and having multiple kill switches for different things, after a while, it'll be like starting an airplane with all the switches activated, lol

CantBeStopped

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Towing Prevention:
always use your E-brakes, make sures its in park, if you have rwd back into your parking spot and aim your wheels near a wall or a solid object so it will stop your car when it starts to move.
^ they will need to break your windows/into your car, lower your ebrake, neutral your car then push it out to an open spot where the tow truck can pick it up.

Rim locks, will keep the rims on your car/suspension/brakes/etc. They can be removed but its a pain in the ass for them.

License plate locks, first thing a thief will do is change your plates.

dont leave registration/important documents in your car
carry it in your wallet or something you always have on you
IF* you cant do that just hide your papers somewhere instead of in the glovebox

reinforce your collars around the steering collum so it cant be popped easily

120db pezio interior siren
520t backup battery

Block off your hood release with barbwire/metal sheets/pieces of glass/super glued nails etc.

as for alarms, get something with a tilt sensor so if your cars being moved/towed it will go off.

APEX security system - calls your cellphone when alarm goes off, if you get any signal, it will go off.

When you drive home, if you see any lights around you. Take it around the block, turn off your headlights and coast somewhere or park it. Wait a couple minutes, if you see it again then you know whats up. If not just drive home and park your car.

Engrave something on your exhaust or somewhere visible to a thief, so when he sees it. Its going to be hard to sell a piece that has someones name on it.
Engrave anything worth of value on your car, especially your engine.
get like PROPERTY OF XXXX, then your phone number.
theres machines that will do it, and will look decent. Who cares what you car looks like, as long as you can still drive it and have fun!


Anything that will extend the time a thief has to be in your car to actually get it going is what you are aiming for.

EDacIouSX

someone might bash on me for reviving an old thread but I thikn this is a pretty important thread. anyway, to add to this.... It helps if you park another car behind yours that way they gotta jack two heh.

kalypso123

I dont think you give the removable hub enough credit..

if there is no wheel and you take it with you.. the'd have to bring a wheel that works with your hub. meaning its a friend... or some bastard that knows you.

but note... ive never had a car stolen so i am a bit naive

deukalionS14

i've been wondering about these things as well. thanks for brining the thread back up lol

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DALAZ_68

fuck the bullshit, im just gonna take the battery with me when i park my shit

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godsmack

Shotgun aimed out drivers door and a string attaching the trigger to the door. lol j/k but all good info. deadbolt sounds awesome i'm gonna have to give that a try.

murda-c

land mines are cheap and you can slip them under seat cushions

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GSXRJJordan

I'm currently installing the deadbolt system into my g/f's 510 (the locks in that car are even easier to jimmy than the 240)... used 4" linear actuators, made custom brackets that are welded to the quarterpanel skeleton, and it's activated by an extended (2.5sec) lock/unlock pulse from the Compustar 2-way FM paging alarm. Search the fabrication thread for "deadbolt".

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ixfxi

sorry, but this is the best advice from all else that was posted above.

being that i have numerous cars that have been broken into, i can confidently say that there is NOTHING you can do to prevent these situations from occurring or even reducing. its very simple, if someone wants your shit bad enough - they will take it, 100% no questions asked.

one poster made a good point which is to scribe or serial number your parts.. good idea as long as you can prove it, so take pics of anything that is valuable and keep receipts. thats about it.

situation #1: my 240 was broken into many years ago. the thieves broke in, attempted to start the car. they couldnt (i have a kill switch) and they took off. done deal. no broken glass, nothing. they used a shaved key to gain entry.

situation #2: my miata was broken into a few months ago, they took the hard top. no broken glass, nothing damaged.. again, they used a shaved key. the car did not start because of kill switch, but they did take the top which only takes a few minutes to remove. police report was filed, they recovered the top within 6 hours. i was able to identify the top and am back to normal again.

tow truck is the #1 way of lifting cars, literally. once you understand that, you realize that the rest means nothing. my friend's M5 was stolen from his driveway in beverly hills, gone within seconds.

if you work at the mall, do yourself and get a normal beater. besides, you work at the mall.. why front like you're a baller when you work at JC penny or sport chalet. ;-)

EDacIouSX

this threads just all about security measures. if you have the mentality that if they want it bad enough they will take it. then why bother locking your car? Why bother rolling your windows up? Why even bother locking the door to your house?

but, people keep saying "if they want it bad enough" and they don't even listen to themself. "BAD ENOUGH" is the key words, the more stuff you have the more BADLY they will have to want something to take it. baller wheels with no locks, eh sure why not. baller wheels with wheel locks.. hmm, i'd have to put more effort in....

fliprayzin240sx

What it comes down to is deterrent...the more shit you have that will make it harder and take more time for them to steal it, makes it not worth the risk of them getting caught.

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Bigsyke

A tow truck with a honda attached would probably draw some attention, if the police have any clue about how thefts happen.

Two things I have noticed in my neck of the woods. My state houses car thieves like a refugee camp, and they arent sneaky about jacking a honda, they will do it in a police deparments parking lot, with their family....and have a picknick durring the stripping.

They come over here and the 1st thing they do is steal a honda.

Our county judges must not believe auto theft is a big crime, because these theives dont even do jail time when cought, its their culture, and we should embrace it.

So its a lose lose anyway. Why not go down swinging? DD or not, you do know most theives drive around day and night looking for cars. When I take the civic out on a weekend, Ill soon have about 8 EG's buzzing behind me to attempt a carjacking.

You can wire an advanced kill switch on every starting circuit to prevent them from starting the car. Your alarm usually cuts the starter circuit. You can prevent them from getting into your hood, remove the power steering and get a removable steering wheel with an NRG lock.

There is a hundred things you can personally come up with to make it impossible to steal your car aside from a towtruck. Most people would rather dump 100% of their cash into a project that never gets finished before a complete security system, and they usually get stolen at the PEAK of the project.

If your going to tell somebody to spend a grand on getting a daily driver, why not save your money and spend that on a GPS tracking alarm and save the money on insurance?

unless you live in a city that getting cought with a stolen car is = farting in public. So they will take it to the extremes

Theives stripped my old civic in front of 2 cops, myself and my GF at MOA. They profiled the "ninjas" stripping my car as the "owners" because I couldnt prove it was my car- because I didnt have insurance, and they didnt want to look it up.

This is why im a huge advocate of preventing them from accessing the car. And H&K and large garbage bags....and bonfires