dizzariot

...but is Takata safer than my monorail-auto-seatbelts-from-the-future? The thought of getting into an accident with these fucking things scares the shit out of me.

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avinash240

Probably saved me from major brain damage when my s2000 got tboned, then traveled over 2 lanes in the air when it ramped off a 1 foot high median. s2000s don't come with side air bags, so I got a serious concussion from my head banging into the b pillar on the initial impact, my memory hasn't been the same since. I'm personally a fan of air bags. As for the seat belts, they saved me from exiting through my windshield when it ramped the median, so I'm a fan of those as well.

Z_Spool

In all seriousness though I don't understand the point you tards are trying to make here. Just because of an issue Takata's gotten into with their ABS division, suddenly none of their products are safe? Just a heads up here kiddos, pretty sure Nissan's OEM belts had been manufactured by Takata for decades. (as well as Honda, Mazda, etc.) The big belt recall back in the 90s wasn't even related to the belts themselves, but rather the plastic in the buckles. (which your 'racing' harnesses don't utilize) You're no more or less likely to die in a traffic accident using Takata harnesses than you are running Schroth, Sparco, Simpson, G-Force, or any other brand assuming we're comparing apples to apples. (same FIA certs, number of mounting points, etc. etc.) As long as everything is installed correctly and in good nick, you're not going to suddenly get killed when the geriatric in the caddy doesn't look before backing out in the supermarket parking lot. Hell, I'm sure you would be okay if you had decided a nice set of ratchet straps was going to be sufficient for a spin around the block. (not that I recommend this of course, but you get my point)

If you're concerned about the safety of different harnesses you should also be looking into add-ons like HANS devices and arm restraints, because clearly whatever sanctioning body you're racing in is going to be looking for these as well.


All that said; yes, people bought into the JDM hype of Takata's simply because of all the feature cars that were running them in Import Tuner/Super Street/Etc. back in the day. This shouldn't add nor detract from their reputation however and if you want to run them so be it. If not, good on you as well.

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Matej

Is Schroth a play on the word 'crotch'?

driftsucky

Obviously

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ixfxi

no...

its a play on the name hyman roth

Quail

Pah! This is Zilvia, buddy

Also, Brit/Aussie expat?

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Kingtal0n

Soooo happy im poor and never been able to afford fancy wheels/belts/engine parts. Saves me money and keeps me lucky charms!








lucky charms is probably negatively charged proteins or something

ixfxi

a harness costs around 150.... how poor can you be?

Veltall

dead

Z_Spool

Remember when that wasn't necessarily a bad thing?

Negative, my good sir. Can't say I've even had the good fortune yet to so much as visit either country. Some day though. Why do you ask?

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DenkiMan!

apartheid was also in the 60's

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Quail

Didn't know the terminology "in good nick" was used in the States!

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Kingtal0n

well, wait. Don't I also need to buy a cage or some kind of special bar to bolt a real harness into a real race car?

Because my daily totally needs stuff like that, pretty bad. I can't use all these because race car stickers until I get far enough down the rabbit tunnel.

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dizzariot

This. Not bashing you at all but this mentality about harnesses is kind of lame.

I want to replace my auto-seatbelts with some harnesses. Takata says you can use the rear seat belt mounts and feed the harnesses through the headrest. I'm no expert on racecars so the whole argument about position is lost on me. Anyone care to explain?

I don't trust these auto-belts for the life of me...

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ixfxi

^ dont worry, he is from florida. that should explain the good majority of rambling in his posts.

s13 owners should ditch the auto belt system and either go with canadian seatbelt system or what i did, roll bar and schroth asm harnesses.

fatduece

Canadian seatbelts are quality. I just took the belts out of my moms 2015 camry. Never trust usdm spec belts. Canada.

dizzariot

Is it really shitty to use harnesses with the rear seatbelt mounting points, though? Like you said I'm only using them to keep my face inside the windshield. I don't drive my car like a fucking cunt but I can just picture an impact and the fucking auto-belts sliding forward on their tracks...and me with them.

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Kingtal0n

A professor once told me that,

"you do not need to know what the ducks are saying in order to understand that they are communicating"





I'm not sure, but I think he was calling me a duck.

tricky_ab

I'm still going to run one...

...chirp me!

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Back for round two... 4 doors this time around...

Matej

RIP.

ixfxi

i dont think the auto seatbelts are unsafe, they just suck. even though they are (still) covered by that lifetime warranty, i got tired of taking the vehicle in for service for jamming and slow motor engagement. you have to go through the same old speil where the dealer denies that the parts are covered under warranty, and that the parts are no longer available, and then once you tell them that you'll gladly contact nissan corporate their story changes. i got tired of all that.

much like doing wheels/tires/suspension - you need to consider the interior setup in detail, as it usually involves seats/rollbar/harnesses. i had no regrets going with the 4-pt ASM setup, although it might be a bit much for some people. if thats the case, just go with the canadian hardware.


replace D with F

:P

dizzariot

This car is only for street purposes. I don't mind being 'that retard' with the 4-point harness for his weekend warrior but I just want to make sure the damn thing isn't going to compress my spinal cord or some shit. A lot of people gripe about using the Takata harness solely with the rear seatbelt mounting points. I don't see the point in a harness bar for a street driven car unless I want to run the risk of it being rammed through my back if I'm rear-ended. That last sentenced sounded all sorts of

For $200 I can get the 4-point/ASM harness I want. $200 will also get me CDM hardware and (if I'm lucky) the A/B pillars...but I'd still have to source a headliner. I had the CDM stuff and missed the part about the headliner and sold the setup.

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ixfxi

its not so much about being a retard with a 4pt setup, more about the fact that when different sized people sit in your car, that not each and every person has the knowledge or interest to sit there and attempt to re-size the harnesses for their body type.

my only real complaint about driving a car with harnesses is when it comes to making what I call a "slight right." there are some intersections where the right turn is not a 90° turn, its almost a Y-shaped intersection. When you need to merge its very difficult to turn your body, or in this case your neck, in order to see if any cars are coming up on you. essentially, you need to leave the inner belt a little looser in order to be able to bend and see that blind spot.

no health risks with the ASM harnesses, thats what the ASM stands for: anti sub marining. there is a section of fabric that is designed to un-stich and give in the event of an accident, which allows one of your shoulders to extend.

kashira kureijii

meh, a lot of auto seatbelt hate here,
You guys don't like auto seatbelts because your peasants who like unlatch your own damn seatbelts.
I feel like the gangster badassery of having a small electric motor pull my seatbelt off more than makes up for all the dying and paralysis.

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dizzariot

This is what I was looking for. Thanks for the clarification. I don't think it's lame to use a 4-pt for daily driving when you're upgrading from auto-belts...I was referring to what most guys in this thread think about a harness in a street/weekend car. I'm the only person that drives my car and if my wife tags along I'm sure I can help her out.

...I just don't want to take the extra step of getting a harness bar and helmets for a weekend cruise lol.


I'm just not ready from the future and that's clearly where these seatbelts came from.

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ixfxi

I thought you were going to say that you like the gangster badassery of having the upper seatbelt instantaneously tighten when the retractor locks, while the track motor jams and starts to apply an increasingly amount of torque on your upper torso.

yeah... thats the lap of luxury alright. i like the movie christine the car, but i never wanted to be in it.

fuck those seatbelts

kashira kureijii

I was being sarcastic

Not only are the auto seatbelts flimsy as hell and easily breakable, but they encourage you to not actually put on the lower belt.

For instance, in my car I rarely put on the lower belt, just cause the upper one is "auto", and with the one visible strap on, no one's gonna give you a ticket. You usually just forget, making them inherently unsafe, despite being from the dystopian safety oriented automatic seatbelt future.

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OBEEWON

Auto seatbelts are the GOAT. Yall dumb.

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dizzariot

Obee pls.


On the bright side I can sell you my rare, JDM auto-belts for the astonishingly low price of $557.67 + you pay PayPal fees and shipping. Don't sleep.

I definitely know what rare means.

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