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Old 07-24-2011, 08:31 AM   #31
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Old 07-24-2011, 08:56 AM   #32
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Try a different maf. I know it says you have a z32 but you seem to have gone through every other suggestion I had. Timing was my first answer and then fuel pump. So if it's not the maf it could be that the Ecu was tuned for a rev limiter at that rpm.
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I suffered from a similar issue a while back. Where the cut off seemed consistant to the RPM, but I noticed it was load dependant. The cut off point would be lower in a higher gear, amd the amount of throttle affected it also. For instance, at WOT in 2nd gear it may cut off at 6k rpm, and 3rd gear, it may cut out at 4.5k rpm, but at partial it may not cut out at all. Is yours like this also?
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Yes mine is similar to that. If I go half throttle, it will not do it. Sometimes it cuts at 5, sometimes at 5.5, sometimes at 6. Etc.
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Check your tps. I had the same thing happen to me.
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- I tried retarding and advancing the timing, like 20 different times. Was never any better or worse, it made no difference.
This worries me. Check/set the base timing per the FSM. This was my second thought.

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Yes mine is similar to that. If I go half throttle, it will not do it. Sometimes it cuts at 5, sometimes at 5.5, sometimes at 6. Etc
If it's not rev-dependent (it'll rev to redline with less load) then it's load-dependent, and that makes me think fuel or MAF. If it were more or less rev-dependent, I'd think more about timing/CAS/wiring.

What engine management is he using? SAFC or ROM tune?
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Hey Jordan, thanks for stepping in.

- We checked for boost leaks, there are none.

- I set the timing back to FSM spec. It's at 15 BTDC @ 850 rpms.

- That is also what I was thinking. Because I can accelerate at 80 - 90% throttle and it wont do it. But the second i go WOT, it'll do it. The more boost I give it, the earlier it cuts. (for example, 14 PSI cuts at 4.5K) When it cuts, the AFR's don't go all crazy or anything, so I don't think it's fuel...

Maybe it is the MAF.
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Load dependent and not going lean = MAF or engine management. You never mentioned what you're using to tune it? I know you're not trying this all on a stock SR ECU...
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Yeah, definitely not stock ECU. It's an EFI Specialist ROM tune. We've talked to Khiem, he said it's all good.
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Have good grounds on the chassis/motor/etc? Sounds more like electrical inference causing the issue... I dunno just thinking out loud here...
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Yeah we have good grounds. I'll check them just in case whenever the car is here again though. Probably tomorrow.

Still haven't tried a new maf yet either.
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Tried a different MAF. Nothing.
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Grounds are a great thing to start, but they tend to be more rev-dependent than load-dependent symptoms.

I'd start logging actual data, starting with MAF voltage. I'm guessing you're either max'n the MAF voltage or something's not getting enough power (voltage drop on an important component). Also what were your actual TPS readings at close/WOT, referenced to the TPS sensor ground?
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Is it possible that the injectors aren't the size you thought they were and are actually flooding the cylinders at full boost? Did you buy them new or used? It would suck to have to get the flow test but if they are say 740cc instead of 550s or whatever you have it might not be flooding until a certain boost/load. Exhaust smell like fuel at all? Do you have a wideband?

Edit. Just saw that you said your a/f ratio is good.
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Squeeze the intake and see if it's soft. It could be collapsing when the turbo starts to pull hard. Make sure the metal coil inside of it is spread out evenly through the whole intake pipe. If that's good double and triple check your couplers for cuts. Like around where it goes through the body of the car. Turbos build boost a lot faster than a compressor and can expand the couplers causing leaks that aren't apparent when testing for a boost leak. What psi did you bring the system to when doing your boost leak test? Make sure you test it at a lot higher psi than you plan to run. I test at 25psi to run 16psi.
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Grounds are a great thing to start, but they tend to be more rev-dependent than load-dependent symptoms.

I'd start logging actual data, starting with MAF voltage. I'm guessing you're either max'n the MAF voltage or something's not getting enough power (voltage drop on an important component). Also what were your actual TPS readings at close/WOT, referenced to the TPS sensor ground?
The TPS voltage was .045 at closed, and like 4 something at WOT.

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Squeeze the intake and see if it's soft. It could be collapsing when the turbo starts to pull hard. Make sure the metal coil inside of it is spread out evenly through the whole intake pipe. If that's good double and triple check your couplers for cuts. Like around where it goes through the body of the car. Turbos build boost a lot faster than a compressor and can expand the couplers causing leaks that aren't apparent when testing for a boost leak. What psi did you bring the system to when doing your boost leak test? Make sure you test it at a lot higher psi than you plan to run. I test at 25psi to run 16psi.
I'll try that today.
I tested it at around 20 PSI. I'm sure the car will never see more than 16 lbs.

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NGK BKR7EIX gapped at .025. Have also tried .028, .022, .030, .032

I'm trying to convince him to switch to copper plugs.
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NGK BKR7EIX gapped at .025. Have also tried .028, .022, .030, .032

I'm trying to convince him to switch to copper plugs.
Material isn't going to make any difference in this circumstance, just on the longevity of the plugs.

Do you have a way to log the values as you drive through the ECU or your consult port?
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Figured it out....intake was collapsing.

Thanks for all the help dudes!
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Figured it out....intake was collapsing.

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haha, make note of that shit. hard to diagnose for sure! what did u upgrade to, post a pic plz. ima gonna be upping my boost soon and wanna make sure this dont happen to me. (E85 conversion in progress)
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haha, make note of that shit. hard to diagnose for sure! what did u upgrade to, post a pic plz. ima gonna be upping my boost soon and wanna make sure this dont happen to me. (E85 conversion in progress)
Run a proper intkae tube and couplers
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The intake that was on the car actually had NO spring inside of it.

We got a new intake and all problems have been resolved.
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The intake that was on the car actually had NO spring inside of it.

We got a new intake and all problems have been resolved.
Fairly common problem, and I think it was brought up earlier in the thread! Glad you got it figured out
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The intake that was on the car actually had NO spring inside of it.

We got a new intake and all problems have been resolved.
Yea those stock ones collapse so easily!

A friend of mine had an instance of his car actually sucking the plastic cone inside the intake filter into the intake, essentially closing off the the intake...it would do some wacky stuff until he sorted it out.
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Thanks for all the help dudes!
Lol, what?

Can you take a picture of this happening and post it on here? It would bring this thread full-circle...
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Lol, what?

Can you take a picture of this happening and post it on here? It would bring this thread full-circle...
Imagine the intake tube to the turbo sucking the rubber accordian junk (or crappy coupler) shut....
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I was just about to come in here and post that.

Funny story, I was a instructor at one of the events and everytime I drove this guys car it would do that. When he drove it didn't do it. We figured out it was his intake and I was flooring his car all the way and he wasnt. Go figure.
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