General politics discussion. Keep it civil.

[kingkilburn]

Guy gets given expensive and dangerous therapy usually reserved for those at risk of sudden death anyway. His recovery is entirely down to the amount of money and attention afforded by the presidency.

But you know that and you're just being an asshole about it. Trump lost months ago, we're talking about current events now.

[Future240]

Not sure what the problem is. NYC was stockpiling CPAPs...

Trump got Covid and was back to work in like 3 days.


Should have reiterated thr fact that this is a bullshit pandemic. +70 year old unhealthy overweight dude with high stress job gets covid, recovers just fine.

In other news, Biden has already killed 23,000 Americans as I post this. Clearly he doesn't care about all the Americans his administration has killed.

https://freebeacon.com/coronavirus/biden-covid-death-tracker/


Hm one of those does not match the other. Thanks to the "bullshit" pandemic, my spouse just lost a very close family member last week who was in her 40's to covid.

Correction:

Covid has kill 23k Americans.

Biden has inherited Trump's handling of it good or bad. The same amount of people would have died in the last few days regardless of who is in office.

What matters is what actions he takes to curb it.
such as
https://www.npr.org/sections/president-biden-takes-office/2021/01/26/960857706/the-biden-administration-is-working-to-buy-200-million-more-covid-19-vaccine-dos

However, a president has only so much power.
https://missoulacurrent.com/business/2021/01/covid-vaccine/

But yes big bad biden cares nothing for these people just because they died while he was in office.

[Corbic]

Hm one of those does not match the other. Thanks to the "bullshit" pandemic, my spouse just lost a very close family member last week who was in her 40's to covid.



Correction:



Covid has kill 23k Americans.



Biden has inherited Trump's handling of it good or bad. The same amount of people would have died in the last few days regardless of who is in office.



What matters is what actions he takes to curb it.

such as

https://www.npr.org/sections/president-biden-takes-office/2021/01/26/960857706/the-biden-administration-is-working-to-buy-200-million-more-covid-19-vaccine-dos



However, a president has only so much power.

https://missoulacurrent.com/business/2021/01/covid-vaccine/



But yes big bad biden cares nothing for these people just because they died while he was in office.Better go double mask then, make sure you are 2x safe.

[kingkilburn]

It's actually more like 4 to 8 times safe if they both fit well.

[deolio]

dude has to live at home

Don't most people live at their home? :ugh:

Goes on rant finally acknowledging cars are not the source of "global climate change" but then goes back to focusing on eliminating cars as the solution.

Just because it's not the largest problem doesn't mean it can't be improved...

Meanwhile, the virtue signaling twats are hard at it again....

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/31/business/costco-coconut-milk-monkey-labor-trnd/index.html

Read the title and instantly thought I opened an Onion article. Coconut water tastes like gooch sweat anyway, good riddance.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Goes on rant finally acknowledging cars are not the source of "global climate change" but then goes back to focusing on eliminating cars as the solution.

For fuck sake.

World's largest 12 container ships make more pollution then all the cars in the world.

Eliminate 12 fucking container ships we'll have an immediate positive global impact - unlike mass transit systems or electric cars which are only moving the problem put of sight.

Going electric just means further expanding modern global slavery, enriching despots and dictator and off shoring our pollution.

So again, - you acknowledge global shipping is an issue, but then apposed the only guy in 40 years to do fuck about out sourcing labor and production to the modern slave fields of China and trying to reduce the amount of shipping bringing garbage into the US.

Car's aren't the solution to climate change, but cars are a problem. You're, frankly, a buffoon if you refuse to believe that vehicle particulate emissions aren't a problem. No one on here puts 30k mi/yr on their 400whp, decatted, SR'd car- and I'm a proponent of losing 10whp to run a cat anyway. My track car, whenever I finish it, will have a cat.

I know you're all about the American Dream TM, but we talked about this before and you danced around the points I made. If we can move people closer to their jobs while increasing their quality of life, why wouldn't we? Instead of sitting in their cars in traffic, they could be walking with their children. Instead of inner-city kids growing up with developmental problems and asthma, they could be growing up with parents who have more disposable income (which would decrease the number of children going without food, which increases the number of children who progress in school rather than having cognitive and behavioral issues) while breathing cleaner air.

Do you think that because I think Trump was an ignorant, pig-headed ass, I'm automatically opposed to literally everything he did? No, I'm opposed to everything he did because it wasn't fully fleshed-out.

Tariffs are regressive, have always been regressive, and as such always hit the poor and middle-class the hardest.

Manufacturing sector growth needed to be targeted- it wasn't. Cars? Farm equipment? Defense manufacturing? We need to move consumer goods back here without increasing cost- no small feat given that we're competing with an economic superpower that has better backing for small manufacturers, has incredibly low raw materials cost due to subsidization and lack of environmental concerns, and subsidizes shipping to the point it's almost free. AI and automation are eating manufacturing jobs, so even if we do move manufacturing home, we're never going to see the same workforce participation we once did... again shifting the momentum toward a service economy.

Yes, battery tech is still in its infancy and yes, lithium mining is environmentally catastrophic. However, some of the biggest potential mines in the world are in Australia (which housed 60% of the lithium production in 2018), Canada, and the United States- with fairly robust environmental safety systems in place. I know there's a European lithium concern that will be mining in Europe, with rapid and efficient transportation pipelines to European manufacturing. Speaking of despots and dictators, that's xenophobia writ large- Chile is one of the most stable democracies in South America, and Argentina is also a democratic constitutional republic that has been stamping out corruption actively and quickly.

[Future240]

Better go double mask then, make sure you are 2x safe.

What a riveting counter point. :goyou:

[ixfxi]

Yes, battery tech is still in its infancy and yes, lithium mining is environmentally catastrophic. However, some of the biggest potential mines in the world are in Australia (which housed 60% of the lithium production in 2018), Canada, and the United States- with fairly robust environmental safety systems in place. I know there's a European lithium concern that will be mining in Europe, with rapid and efficient transportation pipelines to European manufacturing. Speaking of despots and dictators, that's xenophobia writ large- Chile is one of the most stable democracies in South America, and Argentina is also a democratic constitutional republic that has been stamping out corruption actively and quickly.

you speak like an economist, always tossing out figures. put aside the mining, you switch people over to increased load on the electrical system which is already overwhelmed and now we're pushing for more nuclear. you can wipe your ass with wind and solar, the shit just doesnt cut the mustard

smaller more efficient cars/engines, thats the solution. but people refuse to compromise. this is one of the reason people are attracted like moths to the flame with tesla, you get great performance with no immediately visible compromise. they dont know OR care where the power comes from, or where the pollution goes as long as its not in plain sight. just like overseas manufacturing, give us our goods and fuck the slaves who have to manufacture it.

so yes, the tariffs made sense if you're trying to bring back work and manufacturing here.

[ixfxi]

Don't most people live at their home? :ugh:

oh quit being a cock sucker, you know what i meant.

[kingkilburn]

oh quit being a cock sucker, you know what i meant.

No, Explain the whole comment for us. Spell it out.

[brndck]

and now we're pushing for more nuclear. you can wipe your ass with wind and solar, the shit just doesnt cut the mustard
.

more nuclear would be fantastic. Even the most recent nuclear facility in the US (Vogtle unit 3 began construction in 2012) was designed a over a decade ago. Most nukes in the US were designed before I was born (with few exceptions like Diablo Canyon and San-O).

Newer thorium based fuels shit allllllll over uranium based fuels, and will even see great benefit in molten salt reactors.

[Corbic]

more nuclear would be fantastic. Even the most recent nuclear facility in the US (Vogtle unit 3 began construction in 2012) was designed a over a decade ago. Most nukes in the US were designed before I was born (with few exceptions like Diablo Canyon and San-O).



Newer thorium based fuels shit allllllll over uranium based fuels, and will even see great benefit in molten salt reactors.Except the Eco-Terrorists will never allow it. Watch to Many Godzilla movies they have. I'm sure HBO's Chrynobel did nothing to help.

[Corbic]

https://i1.wp.com/windowscustomization.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Blade-Runner-City.gif?fit=750%2C356&quality=80&strip=all&ssl=1

Yeah, we've beaten this to death.

To summarize:

You want to legislate away free choice and force us into distopian megacities so we are completely trapped and 100% reliant on the government/corporations for housing, transportation, healthcare and work.

You believe this because:

Single Family Homes are to expensive
Single Family Homes are wasteful (energy and space)
Single Family Homes are to spread out making mass transit impossible, thus encourage private vehicle ownership.
Suburbs are Racist and Evil

You are also one of those crying about the corporations, corrupt politicians , etc.

Yet - you now want to trap people in massive high rises with no hope of ever escaping their landlords and neighbors. You want to strip them of private transportation ensuring their lives shrink to a 3 block radius or they are forever on someone else's schedule. You want to ensure wages and opportunities are eliminated, since once you can't leave, you become a defacto Serf - aka Land Slave. All the while expanding the power and control of the Political and Corporate classes that will run these megacities.

It's ironic because you claim "how can people live" highlighting the failures of the west coast. I post up examples of how to make a living once you abandon the insanely overpriced, corrupt, poorly run west coast shit hole cities - and then you counter with "yeah well how can someone with no car and $400 move to Nebraska"...

That's exactly what you want for all of us.

[kingkilburn]

Except the Eco-Terrorists will never allow it. Watch to Many Godzilla movies they have. I'm sure HBO's Chrynobel did nothing to help.

The eco authoritarians can eat a dick. Nuclear is the only future we currently have. Thorium powered container ships would nearly end global warming by themselves. This is something the navy has been looking into for years but with little support. Imagine a fighting force that never has to port for fuel and water.

[KA24DESOneThree]

you speak like an economist, always tossing out figures. put aside the mining, you switch people over to increased load on the electrical system which is already overwhelmed and now we're pushing for more nuclear. you can wipe your ass with wind and solar, the shit just doesnt cut the mustard

smaller more efficient cars/engines, thats the solution. but people refuse to compromise. this is one of the reason people are attracted like moths to the flame with tesla, you get great performance with no immediately visible compromise. they dont know OR care where the power comes from, or where the pollution goes as long as its not in plain sight. just like overseas manufacturing, give us our goods and fuck the slaves who have to manufacture it.

so yes, the tariffs made sense if you're trying to bring back work and manufacturing here.

Figures matter. Without figures, you have no point of reference. Metrics and KPI can be applied to nearly everything. If I say "we're up YoY," I might be referencing 0.001% or 100%.

We were talking about lithium production; if you want to bring up power production, which you're correct about having to be addressed at some point, you're correct that our outdated infrastructure and generation capabilities need upgrading.

I agree about nuclear power. My town used to get our power from San Onofre until Mitsubishi fucked the dog on QC. Combine nuclear power with fairly wide-spread adoption of something similar to Tesla's Powerwall, by which you can equalize grid utilization and reduce the peak strains to mitigate issues caused by charging mass numbers of electric cars.

Smaller, more-efficient cars would be a step in the right direction- provided that the government and/or automakers put Gasoline Particulate Filters on direct-injected gasoline-powered cars. Otherwise, particulate emissions will continue to have deleterious effects on people located near highways and in basins with low air exchange rates. The particulate emissions also cause issues with groundwater pollution, the long-term effects of which we're still not entirely certain.

[kingkilburn]

There's a few technologies coming up that would be city block/neighborhood scale batteries that help solve the issues with the timing of solar and wind. There's still generation problems that will never be solved under the current paradigm. We need a retirement date on natural gas and coal. Just like the covid vaccines, technology has a way of showing up when it's necessary.

[ixfxi]

Figures matter. Without figures, you have no point of reference. Metrics and KPI can be applied to nearly everything. If I say "we're up YoY," I might be referencing 0.001% or 100%.

I agree about nuclear power. My town used to get our power from San Onofre until Mitsubishi fucked the dog on QC. Combine nuclear power with fairly wide-spread adoption of something similar to Tesla's Powerwall, by which you can equalize grid utilization and reduce the peak strains to mitigate issues caused by charging mass numbers of electric cars.

Smaller, more-efficient cars would be a step in the right direction- provided that the government and/or automakers put Gasoline Particulate Filters on direct-injected gasoline-powered cars. Otherwise, particulate emissions will continue to have deleterious effects on people located near highways and in basins with low air exchange rates. The particulate emissions also cause issues with groundwater pollution, the long-term effects of which we're still not entirely certain.

particulates are a non issue. adding filters on diesels (or gas?) is a joke, its just another money maker for manufacturers and more bullshit regulation. tell me how your fancy numbers and metrics work when your nuclear casks at san onofre are enjoying a beach front view with no where to go. that nuclear waste is here to stay. you'll be dead before its dealt with. dont believe me? the SSFL in southern california has been unable to figure out what to do with the nuclear contamination at that facility for over 50 years. any research you do shows that each gov agency is just as corrupt as the next. in the meantime, people think LA is a great place to live. yeah right, its a toxic mess.

the only solution is americans, or better yet humans, need to dial back our consumption with everything we do. thats the ONLY solution because WE are the problem.

man does not have the intelligence NOR capacity to safely harness nuclear power. shit, killburn doesnt even have the ability to make a valid point half the time. haha

[KA24DESOneThree]

particulates are a non issue. adding filters on diesels (or gas?) is a joke, its just another money maker for manufacturers and more bullshit regulation. tell me how your fancy numbers and metrics work when your nuclear casks at san onofre are enjoying a beach front view with no where to go. that nuclear waste is here to stay. you'll be dead before its dealt with. dont believe me? the SSFL in southern california has been unable to figure out what to do with the nuclear contamination at that facility for over 50 years. any research you do shows that each gov agency is just as corrupt as the next. in the meantime, people think LA is a great place to live. yeah right, its a toxic mess.

the only solution is americans, or better yet humans, need to dial back our consumption with everything we do. thats the ONLY solution because WE are the problem.

Particulates are an issue. A simple search on your favorite search engine will teach you the error of your ways quickly- this isn't something you can just feel. Remember the term "facts don't care about your feelings?" This is one of those instances.

I thought you were advocating for nuclear power, not against. I am in favor of. If you don't think solar, wind, or nuclear can provide for our power needs, then you're thinking like a nihilist with similar outcome guaranteed.

words

'Kay.

PS- Do you know why I'm an ass to you? Because you're a read-between-the-lines, put words in peoples' mouths, make an assumption about someone and stick with it, closed-minded wet fart.

[Corbic]

the only solution is americans, or better yet humans, need to dial back our consumption with everything we do. thats the ONLY solution because WE are the problem.


If only like a virus happened that would help cull the herd...

Imagine what would happen to property prices in LA if like 10% of everyone just *poof*.

But noooooo.....

What these idiots don't realize is this shit fixes itself faster, organically, without government intervention.

Europe and USA have declining birthrates... Why? Because people realized they'd rather go to Cancun then have 6 kids. Additionally they didn't need the child labor, elderly care nor fear a 80% mortality rate before 12 years of age.

Eventually South America, India, China, the Middle East and Africa will realize this when they want to have nice things.

Pollution, once you economically can enjoy life and plant to live past 50, you kinda naturally start caring. Just look at all the western Planeteers pissing selves and compare that to the 3rd world's no fucks given.

So what I'm saying is, we need to crush the CPP and put Africa and South America under Technocratic Rule.

India is on a good path, but it's along one because of that pesky Democracy garbage.

[kingkilburn]

You know how you decrease birthrates in a positive way? You're going to love this.

Better pay, free education, access to healthcare, and equal rights. All the places with shrinking birthrates treat women, children, and minorities with respect and decency.

P.S.
Africa and South have had more than enough intervention from white people. They need their sovereignty respected first and foremost.

[dizzariot]

You know how you decrease birthrates in a positive way? You're going to love this.

Better pay, free education, access to healthcare, and equal rights. All the places with shrinking birthrates treat women, children, and minorities with respect and decency.

P.S.
Africa and South have had more than enough intervention from white people. They need their sovereignty respected first and foremost.

I think Corbic is saying decreasing birthrates are a symptom of over-indulgence.

...but also, Japan lol.


The point is (and kind of ties into why having a discussion here is good) is that Kids These Days (TM) would rather indulge in self and self-image. This disconnect makes it easier to divide us all and even easier still for people to dehumanize others...especially when it comes to politics. What you see as a racist, redneck, diehard Trump supporter might just be a single-issue voter that wants his/her guns.

You can appear to be anyone through the lens of social media, so why would you have a family and a 9-5 when you can put 'entrepreneur' in your IG bio and take 10 selfies (in different outfits) on one trip to the Bahamas to leak out to your 'fans' over time? The same goes for virtue signaling. Why actually be a good person or work towards progress when you can simply add a French flag overlay on Facebook during the aftermath of their (next) terrorist attack?

Non-sequitur rant, sorry.

Also, good job. We have managed to mildly annoy each other but not fall off the rails for a whole page. Look at us go, Zilvia making the world a better place.

[ixfxi]

Particulates are an issue. A simple search on your favorite search engine will teach you the error of your ways quickly- this isn't something you can just feel. Remember the term "facts don't care about your feelings?" This is one of those instances.

I thought you were advocating for nuclear power, not against. I am in favor of. If you don't think solar, wind, or nuclear can provide for our power needs, then you're thinking like a nihilist with similar outcome guaranteed.

these are all things that make you feel better about how you come to your own conclusions. your in your early 30s and think that all of lifes problems can be figured out with metrics and searches. you remind me of the many car nerds i encounter who think its all numbers, when in reality there is another half of how cars are tuned that requires age, experience and intuition.

i hear all the time from nerds how their solar panels on their roof have reduced their energ... blah blah... costs... blah blah.. its all words and they dont mean shit. driving all over socal you see these bullshit wind farms, its just a cluster fuck of stupidity. and nuclear just takes it one step further, because you've got these science nerds who think they can control something that clearly cannot be controlled. no answer to the casks with no proper home in san onofre. no answer to the contaminated land from the partial meltdown at the ssfl here at santa susana. no answer for fukushima. no answer for chernobyl. and thank god no answer for three mile island. oh yeah, and no answer for the guy who got pinned to the roof in that other failed reactor that i cant remember the name of.

but i enjoy listening to your comments because you use a lot of fancy words when responding.

[ixfxi]

If only like a virus happened that would help cull the herd...

Imagine what would happen to property prices in LA if like 10% of everyone just *poof*.

But noooooo.....

What these idiots don't realize is this shit fixes itself faster, organically, without government intervention.

now if only we had a politician who stood up and said "hi guys, i know you dont like this virus / pandemic thing, but let me be the first to remind you that death is a part of life." instead, we have a walking corpse telling us that we're sitting across the table with an empty chair where grandpa used to sit. give me a break.

we should start a poll, who/what will last longer.... this thread (before its locked) vs biden's lifespan. i put my money on this thread.

[kingkilburn]

You know there a modern nuclear power plants running on waste product exactly like what we've been trying to figure out what to do with? All your complaints about nuclear and renewables are right out of the 80s. Maybe stop yelling at the clouds about the tragedy of youth and put some up-to-date information in your brain.

[kingkilburn]

Reddit traders buying GameStop shares have already done more damage than a full year of Occupy Wall Street and this is just beginning.

[KA24DESOneThree]

these are all things that make you feel better about how you come to your own conclusions. your in your early 30s and think that all of lifes problems can be figured out with metrics and searches. you remind me of the many car nerds i encounter who think its all numbers, when in reality there is another half of how cars are tuned that requires age, experience and intuition.

i hear all the time from nerds how their solar panels on their roof have reduced their energ... blah blah... costs... blah blah.. its all words and they dont mean shit. driving all over socal you see these bullshit wind farms, its just a cluster fuck of stupidity. and nuclear just takes it one step further, because you've got these science nerds who think they can control something that clearly cannot be controlled. no answer to the casks with no proper home in san onofre. no answer to the contaminated land from the partial meltdown at the ssfl here at santa susana. no answer for fukushima. no answer for chernobyl. and thank god no answer for three mile island. oh yeah, and no answer for the guy who got pinned to the roof in that other failed reactor that i cant remember the name of.

but i enjoy listening to your comments because you use a lot of fancy words when responding.

It's funny to hear someone who doesn't know that my day job is running a shop restoring vintage cars tell me that numbers don't matter. They don't until they do and they do until they don't. Feel does matter, intuition does matter, but neither can measure the parts per million of particulate matter in groundwater.

Feel does matter until you realize you don't have a clue about market penetration or whether or not your advertising campaign is costing you money because you have zero metrics to track them.

Why is wind power and solar power a cluster fuck of stupidity, exactly? I mean exactly, not your feelings. Is it because it's ugly? Because Trump said it kills birds?

Fukushima was a failure to anticipate, but has yet to prove its negative influence on the world around it- no increase in stillbirths or birth defects has been proven. Chernobyl was proof of communism's fucking stupidity- didn't you watch the show? Three Mile Island was a compounded human problem with no statistically significant increase in cancer rates in the surrounding area. Santa Susana resulted in a maximum exposure to the nearest residential building of 0.018 millirem. A dental x-ray is 0.4 millirem. Do you think Southern California Edison or the California Coastal Commission should be slapped in the dick for the caskets at San Onofre? SCE is only following CCC's guidance.

It's like you've regressed into a troglodyte. Science is evil! Numbers are fake!

Oh, and fuck Wall Street. Robinhood can gargle my balls.

[brndck]

these are all things that make you feel better about how you come to your own conclusions. your in your early 30s and think that all of lifes problems can be figured out with metrics and searches. you remind me of the many car nerds i encounter who think its all numbers, when in reality there is another half of how cars are tuned that requires age, experience and intuition.

i hear all the time from nerds how their solar panels on their roof have reduced their energ... blah blah... costs... blah blah.. its all words and they dont mean shit. driving all over socal you see these bullshit wind farms, its just a cluster fuck of stupidity. and nuclear just takes it one step further, because you've got these science nerds who think they can control something that clearly cannot be controlled. no answer to the casks with no proper home in san onofre. no answer to the contaminated land from the partial meltdown at the ssfl here at santa susana. no answer for fukushima. no answer for chernobyl. and thank god no answer for three mile island. oh yeah, and no answer for the guy who got pinned to the roof in that other failed reactor that i cant remember the name of.

but i enjoy listening to your comments because you use a lot of fancy words when responding.
lets go down a side path for a moment.
https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2020/10/What-is-the-safest-form-of-energy-800x441.png
from feb 2020
https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy
this is from 2011
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/nuclear-power-is-safest-way-to-make-electricity-according-to-2007-study/2011/03/22/AFQUbyQC_story.html
this is from 2019
http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2019/ph241/marshall2/
from 2013
https://climate.nasa.gov/news/903/coal-and-gas-are-far-more-harmful-than-nuclear-power/
also 2013
https://energycentral.com/c/ec/deaths-nuclear-energy-compared-other-causes

generally speaking, you have no clue what you're talking about w/r/t deaths in industry, pollution from power plants, etc.

I won't even start into how little the waste from nuclear is compared to any other source (cliffs: the amount of spent nuclear fuel per person over their LIFETIME would be about the size of a 12oz coke can, try matching that in coal or natural gas)

but by all means, go on

[Corbic]

I think Corbic is saying decreasing birthrates are a symptom of over-indulgence.

...but also, Japan lol.

Actually, not at all.

What I'm saying is prosperity creates easy living. Easy living changes your tolerance levels.

Where once we had no tolerance for other competing groups (Irish, Asian, Italian, Black, etc) we are all about diversity.

Where once we had no tolerance for infidels and sexual deviance, now we are all about diversity.

Once we expected to die in a steel plant accident at the ripe old age of 27, today we shriek and cry if you want us to make our own coffee at the office.

All these modern SJW issues are the symptom of life being so easy and good in America. People got tons of free time and brain space to come up with injustices to cry about.

[Corbic]

So what's Joe gonna do about this? I mean he's ya'll home boy, a defender of the poor, right?

https://youtu.be/enLiJfijWBI

[kingkilburn]

Who is "we", Corbic?

[KA24DESOneThree]

I'll take "Antifa Genderqueer Pansexuals" for $500, Kilburn.

[Corbic]

https://youtu.be/tb35Z9tSRmA

[dizzariot]

Speaking of, transgenders are allowed in the military again and an Army Chaplain is under investigation for saying transgender people are mentally unfit and a waste of military resources.

Anyone else have any firsthand experience with this? Because I do.

This was the type of pandering I was worried about and we have it in the first 10 days. If anything, retention is so low that they just want more bodies for the machine.

[Corbic]

Speaking of, transgenders are allowed in the military again and an Army Chaplain is under investigation for saying transgender people are mentally unfit and a waste of military resources.

Anyone else have any firsthand experience with this? Because I do.

This was the type of pandering I was worried about and we have it in the first 10 days. If anything, retention is so low that they just want more bodies for the machine. Gender dysphoria resulting in transgenderism will prevent you from having a driver's license in Russia (public safety mental illness).

Russia is pretty strict on drivers licenses btw.

[kingkilburn]

Well if Vladimir approves of the policy then by all means.

[SimpleS14]

https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2020/10/What-is-the-safest-form-of-energy-800x441.png


Not sure where it fits in that diagram, but I'd like to see an expansion on the use of geothermal energy. It's probably not the most profitable for the private sector now but an investment from the Fed. govt could jump start efforts and bring in more jobs.

[Corbic]

Not sure where it fits in that diagram, but I'd like to see an expansion on the use of geothermal energy. It's probably not the most profitable for the private sector now but an investment from the Fed. govt could jump start efforts and bring in more jobs.I'd like to see proliferation and output as well.

Dog power has 0 deaths and 0 emissions.

But then again it also has 0 sites and produces 0 electricity.


I've also read articles about how windmills are potentially a net negative long term once you calculate in manufacturing costs and maintenance and energy retention.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Nuclear energy provides approximately 20% of the US' energy (https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/nuclear/us-nuclear-industry.php) and over 70% of France's energy (https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/current-and-future-generation/nuclear-power-in-the-world-today.aspx).

As far as wind turbine generators, they have issues with disposal (https://www.npr.org/2019/09/10/759376113/unfurling-the-waste-problem-caused-by-wind-energy)- but they also have a 20-year lifespan. As far as a net negative, you may be thinking of this (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wind-idiot-power/).

[kingkilburn]

It's my opinion that over reliance on the private sector is the major issue in energy production. Return on investment is irrelevant. Utility to users in the long-term is the goal. We should be building our version of Roman public works that still deliver water after 2000 years.

[ixfxi]

lets go down a side path for a moment.
https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2020/10/What-is-the-safest-form-of-energy-800x441.png
from feb 2020
https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy
this is from 2011
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/nuclear-power-is-safest-way-to-make-electricity-according-to-2007-study/2011/03/22/AFQUbyQC_story.html
this is from 2019
http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2019/ph241/marshall2/
from 2013
https://climate.nasa.gov/news/903/coal-and-gas-are-far-more-harmful-than-nuclear-power/
also 2013
https://energycentral.com/c/ec/deaths-nuclear-energy-compared-other-causes

generally speaking, you have no clue what you're talking about w/r/t deaths in industry, pollution from power plants, etc.

I won't even start into how little the waste from nuclear is compared to any other source (cliffs: the amount of spent nuclear fuel per person over their LIFETIME would be about the size of a 12oz coke can, try matching that in coal or natural gas)

but by all means, go on

that chart is laughable and makes great toilet paper. that might work at some bullshit corporate board meeting or student lecture, but it doesnt work with me. you can add up numbers all day in order to make or skew a point. is there any validity in your point? sure. but simultaneously, you're too quick to disregard a differing viewpoint - so why even waste any time to try to convince you. i can count in my hand the amount of people in this thread who've tried to keep an open mind and be neutral in their thinking, and dizzariot is like the only one. the rest of you fall into one extreme or the other.

i'll stick to my healthy pessimism and continue to call bullshit on solar and wind and chalk them up as a waste of time, energy and resources.

[ixfxi]

It's funny to hear someone who doesn't know that my day job is running a shop restoring vintage cars tell me that numbers don't matter.

allow me to respond:

It's funny to hear someone who doesn't know that my day job is running a shop restoring vintage cars tell me that numbers do matter

[ixfxi]

Feel does matter until you realize you don't have a clue about market penetration or whether or not your advertising campaign is costing you money because you have zero metrics to track them.

the only metrics i care about are my earnings, everything else is bulllllshit. not trying to offend here, but you come off as the biggest fucking nerd. do you ever get laid? christ, my sympathy for whoever has to sit down and listen to you go on and on for hours on end about metrics and graphs. for fucks sake.


Fukushima was a failure to anticipate, but has yet to prove its negative influence on the world around it- no increase in stillbirths or birth defects has been proven. Chernobyl was proof of communism's fucking stupidity- didn't you watch the show? Three Mile Island was a compounded human problem with no statistically significant increase in cancer rates in the surrounding area. Santa Susana resulted in a maximum exposure to the nearest residential building of 0.018 millirem. A dental x-ray is 0.4 millirem. Do you think Southern California Edison or the California Coastal Commission should be slapped in the dick for the caskets at San Onofre? SCE is only following CCC's guidance.

hey mr vintage car restorer, you might want to listen to some of the well educated scholars like dan hirsch when it comes to the negative effects that all of these disasters have had on our planet, he's more articulate and certainly more educated on this topic than you are.

your comment which i highlighted in bold shows just how ignorant and carefree your attitude is. we have an area that is contaminated and has been for decades, and you're dumb enough to try to downplay it as if its perfectly safe. my advice, buy one of the newly developed houses in simi valley and go live there. have fun raising your family there. you're on a soon-to-be politician level of stupid.


It's like you've regressed into a troglodyte. Science is evil! Numbers are fake!

its not called regressing, its called coming to terms and understanding that humans are animals. you are just delusional and out of touch with nature and reality. you have too much faith in humanity and in progress. you like hearing yourself talk and worse, probably like smelling your own farts.

....nothing worse than a person who enjoys the smell of their own asshole. yuck.

[KA24DESOneThree]

In that entire post, you made exactly zero counterpoints. It was the ranting of a child angry that his world is changing, and angrier that he doesn't understand it. No wonder you resort to insults rather than information.

Pessimism and doubt are good- when used in good faith. "Is this a reliable source?" is a perfectly legitimate question and one we should always ask ourselves. Except you're not asking yourself that question and searching for answers- and anyone who provides a counterpoint is "dumb."

I do like hearing myself talk. It allows me to get ideas out, to hopefully be either vindicated with additional data or possibly to be proven wrong, and to learn from the experience in either instance.

PS- You might want to look up Ramsar, Iran, Kerala, India, or Guarapari, Brazil. The conversion factor is 100millirem to 1millisievert.

[kingkilburn]

The only way ixfxi has garnered any respect on this forum is by shutting the fuck up outside of specific technical discussion. He's blowing it all here. Every single opinion posted has been a complete asspull laughing in the face of facts. Zero value.

[Corbic]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Lie_with_Statistics

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210131/3b1c6d9f1cfd3da6121f1fb79b94042b.jpg

[KA24DESOneThree]

In comes Corbic with the save and the crowd goes wiiiiild.

*elated shouts from people with three nicotine-stained teeth and confederate flags on their realtree*

Too bad this shit's friggin' tee ball.

[kingkilburn]

I understand that our legislature is designed to be slow and deliberate. It's always odd when/why they find the balls for decisive action.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/01/democrats-marjorie-taylor-greene-ultimatum-464382

[ixfxi]

The only way ixfxi has garnered any respect on this forum is by...

click on my name and visit my home page, its all you need to know

[Corbic]

In comes Corbic with the save and the crowd goes wiiiiild.

*elated shouts from people with three nicotine-stained teeth and confederate flags on their realtree*

Too bad this shit's friggin' tee ball.That's not a meme but an actual book. Link is in my post.

[kingkilburn]

click on my name and visit my home page, its all you need to know

We all already know who you are. That's the point.

And based on your work it's obvious that you know numbers and stats are not just important but vital.

[mrmephistopheles]

i'll stick to my healthy pessimism and continue to call bullshit on solar and wind and chalk them up as a waste of time, energy and resources.

In other words, "Nuh uh!".

In that entire post, you made exactly zero counterpoints.

Precisely. Argument is moot without reason, logic and evidence.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Lie_with_Statistics

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210131/3b1c6d9f1cfd3da6121f1fb79b94042b.jpg

Sure, it's possible to bullshit with stats. Correlation isn't causation either. Stats and data, properly analyzed within the context of their collection and with regard to a specific examination do lead to actionable conclusions. To suggest that any presentation of statistics is ineffective simply because they are statistics, or without showing that the presented statistics are somehow flawed, you're again presenting a moot argument unworthy of response.

And based on your work it's obvious that you know numbers and stats are not just important but vital.

This response really rings true to me. Mike used to wax poetic about light output and color temperature way back when. When he suggesting that such things are trivial, in the context of his own statements is quite the faceplate moment.

[kingkilburn]

in the context of his own statements is quite the faceplate moment

m_djk1RQ2Ew

[ixfxi]

click on my name and visit my home page, its all you need to know

We all already know who you are. That's the point.

And based on your work it's obvious that you know numbers and stats are not just important but vital.

When he suggesting that such things are trivial, in the context of his own statements is quite the faceplate moment.

thats strange. not sure what website you guys are visiting. when i click on my user name and click on "visit homepage" it takes me to a wikipedia page for female genetalia. i set it there years ago. is there another website its supposed to go to?

[kingkilburn]

This whole time I thought you were a knowledgeable car guy and it turns out you're a pussy. What a twist. lol

[kingkilburn]

That's 100% not serious btw. I feel like if I don't say that people are going to fly off the handle.

[Corbic]

https://youtu.be/RKtwaytU4IE


Mission Accomplished.

Fascism reinstated. Thank you and Congrats you tards.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Can you post something without Tucker Swanson's voice and face doing voice and face things?

The populist everyman and heir to the Swanson fortune making $6mm/year is really hard to watch for people with eyes and ears.

Edit: Also, why would I watch something when I can read it ten times faster?

[kingkilburn]

Nothing Tucker Carlson has ever said has any substance or merit. The guy isn't even conservative. He's a self entitled rich asshole that makes a living(that he doesn't need) by lying to the ignorant to justify his contempt. He epitomizes what conservatives are supposed to be against.

[brndck]

Can you post something without Tucker Swanson's voice and face doing voice and face things?

The populist everyman and heir to the Swanson fortune making $6mm/year is really hard to watch for people with eyes and ears.

Edit: Also, why would I watch something when I can read it ten times faster?

Nothing Tucker Carlson has ever said has any substance or merit. The guy isn't even conservative. He's a self entitled rich asshole that makes a living(that he doesn't need) by lying to the ignorant to justify his contempt. He epitomizes what conservatives are supposed to be against.

BUT HE WEARS A BOW TIE TO OWN THE LIBS. :drama:

[kingkilburn]

He bitched out on that years ago.

[ixfxi]

https://youtu.be/RKtwaytU4IE


Mission Accomplished.

Fascism reinstated. Thank you and Congrats you tards.

nOooOOoOooo

dont post tucker, we need REAL news sources like washington post, msnbc, new york times.

on a more important note, AOC was scurred for her life.

you guys are gonna have to circle back on this

[ixfxi]

This whole time I thought you were a knowledgeable car guy and it turns out you're a pussy. What a twist. lol

That's 100% not serious btw. I feel like if I don't say that people are going to fly off the handle.

haha you get a job yet?

pushin the broom, sure would help a lot

[KA24DESOneThree]

nOooOOoOooo

dont post tucker, we need REAL news sources like washington post, msnbc, new york times.

on a more important note, AOC was scurred for her life.

you guys are gonna have to circle back on this

I personally dislike the blowhard for multiple reasons, not least of which is that he has my dad snowed that he's the second coming of christ.

Whatever he has to say has to be in writing somewhere. I don't know why conservatives love to watch video clips, but I'm not giving views to anyone hosting Tucker's content.

[Future240]

Interesting this one is.

Should the dems have given the repubs more time with this problem official or were the dems right in their actions is the question of the hour.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-dems-rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-committee-assignments-20210203-vsaibla2dncwznzgdjwhniaw3i-story.html?utm_source=onesignal&utm_medium=notification&utm_campaign=2021-02-03-House-votes-to-

If the resolution sets a new precedent for removing members, McGovern added that’s okay with him.

“If the precedent’s going to be that if somebody advocates for putting a bullet in the head of a member ... if that is going to be the new determination as to what it takes to throw people off of committees, I’m fine with that,” he said. “If this is not the bottom, I don’t know what the hell is.”

Oklahoma Rep. Tom Cole, the panel’s top Republican, called Greene’s promotion of various crackpot conspiracy theories “deeply offensive,” “vile” and “repugnant,” but argued against the resolution on process grounds.

“This hearing is premature,” Cole said, reasoning that the matter should first have been adjudicated by the House Ethics Committee to avoid setting a new precedent for reprimanding members.

In case yall are not sure what the fuss is about
Before being elected in November, it has been discovered that Greene used her Facebook and Twitter accounts to call for the executions of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), former President Barack Obama and other prominent Democrats she claimed were part of the “deep state.”

The first-term congresswoman also harassed survivors of a 2018 school shooting in Florida and falsely claimed they faked the massacre as part of a Democratic plot to implement stricter gun laws. Adding to the deranged web, Greene has pushed baseless claims about 9/11 being an “inside job” and peddled anti-Semitic theories about wealthy Jews using “space lasers” to set forest fires in California.

[Corbic]

Where was that logic with all the idiots yelling for Russian Collusion or Omar's Anti-Semitism and all these idiots preaching false narratives about systemic racism.

[kingkilburn]

Can you try that again but without the bullshit?

[RalliartRsX]

"Fuck YOUR Feelings"

Yep. Still feels good to say it to all the tinpot crackhead conspiracy theory trump supporters Hahahahah!

Kthxbye...

[Corbic]

I personally dislike the blowhard for multiple reasons, not least of which is that he has my dad snowed that he's the second coming of christ.

Awww daddy issues.

I
Whatever he has to say has to be in writing somewhere. I don't know why conservatives love to watch video clips, but I'm not giving views to anyone hosting Tucker's content.

Cause we have jobs and don't have all day to read click bait Vox News articles.

Cliff Notes :

Biden is the embodiment of everything you spent 4 years bitching about Trump. However now because he's a "D" ya'll sucking his Fascist Dick and loving it.

[Corbic]

"Fuck YOUR Feelings"

Yep. Still feels good to say it to all the tinpot crackhead conspiracy theory trump supporters Hahahahah!

Kthxbye...Sadly, what do you call a "conspiracy" when it's true?

[deolio]

Interesting this one is.

Should the dems have given the repubs more time with this problem official or were the dems right in their actions is the question of the hour.

No. That shit goes way beyond anything Trump ever did/said. Freedom of speech is great and all, but having clearly mentally unstable people in positions of power is not a good idea.

[kingkilburn]

Raise your hand if you voted for Biden in the primary?

No one? No one.

On to the next projection based insult.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Cliff Notes :

Biden is the embodiment of everything you spent 4 years bitching about Trump. However now because he's a "D" ya'll sucking his Fascist Dick and loving it.

I just said I could have read what King Tuck said in a tenth the time. It's always funny that, when confronted about what their heroes say, conservatives always pivot and deflect.

Biden's got that whole "old man sexiness" thing going. Yeah, his skin may be saggy and gray and his mind as sharp as your wit, but you can't deny that there's just something rrrrawr about the man. That was a hard paragraph to write, but it was worth it just for the shivers of disgust I've provided you. You are welcome.

Edit: Found a transcript/adaptation of the episode. Reading it now. It took me 1:24.73 to read the relevant portion.

Y'all Qaeda is not al Qaeda. Vanilla Isis is not Daesh. We must treat them differently because these aren't enemy combatants, they're Americans. They're protected by the First and Fourth Amendments- and we need to be mindful of that.

However, and this is a big however, keep in mind that the FBI has been tracking BLM supporters since 2014. Look up operation "Iron Fist." Americans should not be persecuted for their beliefs nor prosecuted for their activism. This is not new. Where was conservative outrage about FBI overreach then? This has been occurring and will occur every time a group of Americans refuse to toe the line. I'm not saying it's right- just the opposite.

[Corbic]

Accuses others of deflecting and pivoting while deflecting and pivoting

Yeah, okay

[Corbic]

No. That shit goes way beyond anything Trump ever did/said. Freedom of speech is great and all, but having clearly mentally unstable people in positions of power is not a good idea.So like, you support removing Omar, Nancy and Biden since they all have massive cognitive failures?

[ixfxi]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Alexandria_Ocasio-Cortez_%40_SXSW_2019_%2846438132055%29_%28cropped% 29.jpg

They were out to git her. LITERALLyy... like, with spoons n stuff.

literally, impossible to get dome from without being circumcised (twice?)

[ixfxi]

Where was that logic with all the idiots yelling for Russian Collusion or Omar's Anti-Semitism and all these idiots preaching false narratives about systemic racism.

(sniff)

(sniff)(sniff)

smells like bullshit to me

[deolio]

So like, you support removing Omar, Nancy and Biden since they all have massive cognitive failures?

Yeah, Nancy and Biden can get fucked.

But being against wasting money on protecting Israel just so we have a foothold in the middle-east isn't the same as being anti-semitic. Let's hear some more republican false-equivalencies. Deep down the christian reich agrees with her, but for the exact reasons they accuse her of :rofl:

Got anything for us besides the conservative talking points? Any rational arguments to have someone like Greene in office?

[ixfxi]

how the fuck can anyone even listen to omar, is beyond me. the way she speaks is disgusting.

greene is a godsend. as is hawley.

[Future240]

greene is a godsend.

Why exactly?

After the shooting, Greene shared an article about the $8,700 retirement pension of Scot Peterson, the former resource officer at the school who failed to adequately intervene during the shooting.

In the comment section, someone wrote: "It's called a pay off to keep his mouth shut since it was a false flag planned shooting." Greene replied: "Exactly."

Another commenter wrote: "Kick back for going along with the evil plan. You know it's not for doing a good job." Greene replied: "My thoughts exactly!! Paid to do what he did and keep his mouth shut!"

While the original post remains on Greene's Facebook page, the two comments have been removed.

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Marjorie Taylor Greene suggested that the mass shooting carried out in Las Vegas, Nevada, in October of 2017 was part of a wider plot to push gun control legislation in a social media video that resurfaced on Wednesday.

Here she is before she was elected harrassing David Hogg a parkland school shooting survivor.
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Here is what redstate a conservative site has to say about green
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/01/29/theres-another-way-to-deal-with-majorie-taylor-greene-n318673
Just because the left hates someone, that does not automatically make them an ally or worth defending. One of the bedrocks of the right is not playing victim all the time, and Greene isn?t a victim here. She?s legitimately crazy and has to own her words, down to her blaming Jews for shooting blue laser beams to start forest fires. There?s nothing endearing about this woman. She?s your crazy aunt that subsists off of conspiracy theory chain emails and Facebook.


It needs to be said, so I?m saying it: Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene is no threat to any socialist agenda. If anything, she and her ilk make it easier for the far-left to push their agenda.

The representative did not deny that she published the Facebook posts in question. While the videos she recorded have been taken down, she does not reject the claims that she made the statements about Pelosi.


https://redstate.com/jeffc/2021/01/28/318338-n318338
In cases such as these, it is always tempting to respond with, ?but the left does it too!? Yes, prominent far-leftists use this type of rhetoric on a routine basis. Nevertheless, whataboutism is not going to serve the conservative movement well in this particular case. Defeating the left isn?t just about using their tactics, but it is also about giving the rest of the nation a valid alternative to the dishonesty and hysteria coming from the Democrats.

It is important to remember that not everyone on our side is actually advancing our cause. Some might only be looking for clout and status. Others are grifting for dollars. Some might sincerely believe they are helping. But this does not mean that all are beneficial to advancing conservatism.

Here is the dailywire on all her controversies.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/heres-why-marjorie-taylor-greene-a-gop-house-candidate-from-georgia-is-so-controversial

Again. I ask why exactly is Majorie a "godsend"?

[kingkilburn]

Much like Trump, she's fluent in troglodyte. They literally do not care what you do so long as they can identify what team they believe you're on.

[mrmephistopheles]

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-believe-the-facts-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye

If you believe Tucker to be delivering real, actual, truthful news, you're not a reasonable person, as both Tuckers lawyers have argued and a federal judge has agreed that his statements are intended to be entertainment and not based in fact.

So guess how much time I give to what he says?

[Corbic]

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-believe-the-facts-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye

If you believe Tucker to be delivering real, actual, truthful news, you're not a reasonable person, as both Tuckers lawyers have argued and a federal judge has agreed that his statements are intended to be entertainment and not based in fact.

So guess how much time I give to what he says?So what part of the video clip are you challenging?

That's the problem you people (forum members participating in this thread) have.

You don't want dialog. I got stupid comments about Tuckers Tie, KA24 crying about his Dad and now you posting a completely irrelevant NRP article.


Are you challenging...

Military Presence in thr Capital
Permanent Walls and Barriers
Troops in Syria
+1000 Executives Orders
AOC lying about Ted Cruise "literally trying to murder her"
Covid Death Tracker
Covid Bullshit
Big Tech 100% Support of the DMC
DNC continuing to build boarder "fences" and travel ban of "terrorists"...

On and on

[kingkilburn]

You need to make an argument. You. Not Tucker "The Entertainer" Carlson. You. The guy isn't an authority on anything and no one cares what he has to say.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Corbic, have you considered being a professional dancer?

Your footwork dodging actual questions (and providing actual answers) is impeccable.

Military presence started with Trump.

Permanent wall? Not officially. Only right-wing sources are claiming it's going to be permanent.

Troops in Syria were increased by Trump in September. We shouldn't be there.

Trump signed 894 executive actions, of which 220 were executive orders. Biden has signed, afaik, 23 orders and 38 actions in total. Yes, that's a fuckton in the first month of presidency. If it keeps this pace, it'll be something over 1800 actions over his presidency. Not cool. Edit: it's 29 executive orders and 36 actions total as of 2/5. 1 order and 2 memoranda TBA. Trump was at 7 orders/15 actions total as of the same date.

Yeah, AOC was out of line there.

COVID death tracker/bullshit: No idea what you're on about.

Big Tech 100% support of the DNC: Wrong. Fix your number.

DNC border fence and travel ban of terrorists: Biden pressed pause on 1/27. Also reimposed COVID travel ban.

[mrmephistopheles]

words

While I appreciate your desire to call Corbic on his bullshit, the burden of proof is upon the person making the claim.

I mean, I could claim that the republican party is secretly controlled by atlantean child sex predators who are seeking to overthrow the governments of the surface world.

What good does it do to refute that, especially when I can just follow it up with a good old gish gallop (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop)?

I'm not going to be engaging with people who are just interested in getting a reaction and/or wasting my time with a dishonest debate.

[kingkilburn]

Fulton County GA has opened a criminal investigation into Trump and his efforts to overturn their election results.

[ixfxi]

Fulton County GA has opened a criminal investigation into Trump and his efforts to overturn their election results.

OOooOOoOOooOooOOOooooooooo

who needs toilet paper when we have reporter kilburnnn on the scene, providing us with cutting-edge news.

lot of smoke and mirrors to distract the public with that kangaroo court

[kingkilburn]

So you bumped the thread with nothing but your hurt feelings, as a distraction?

[Future240]

OOooOOoOOooOooOOOooooooooo

who needs toilet paper when we have reporter kilburnnn on the scene, providing us with cutting-edge news.

lot of smoke and mirrors to distract the public with that kangaroo court


Still waiting on the explanation on Majorie.

[SimpleS14]

Fulton County GA has opened a criminal investigation into Trump and his efforts to overturn their election results.

Now that the "January Exception" has been established. This may be the only avenue of accountability for the actions of the former US president.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Accountability?

There's no accountability. Get insider knowledge as a result of your office and trade upon it? Nothing. Crash the economy? Nothing. Twiddle your thumbs while people suffer? Nothing. Preside over one of the largest data breaches in government history? Nothing. Tweet support and admiration for a group of violent imbeciles doing something quite literally unheard of? Nothing.

Fuck them all. Have we tried turning it off and back on again?

Edit: Pelosi's calling for a commission for what happened on 1/6. So we can what, exactly? The 9/11 Commission found that Saudi Arabia was culpable for 9/11 and we're STILL sending arms to those sons of bitches.

[Green Arrow]

Echo...echo....echoooooooo

[ixfxi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHIlVyyU0bA

if you aint for biden you aint black?

somebody enroll him in a white guilt session with robin diangelo

[KA24DESOneThree]

Oooh, what if it's like subliminal messaging? While talking world policy, he'll just casually drop an n-word and he'll get Trump conservatives to start listening. "You know, Biden's starting to make a lot of sense. He's using terminology we understand."

tf outta here. He's already stumbling over his words and everyone knows he still has stuttering problems. I don't like the man but it's pretty obvious this is absolutely fucking nothing.

[kingkilburn]

Pour one out for another red tictac an hero.

[kingkilburn]

Senators Manchin and Sinema are fucking up the whole flow, man. The Senate is forever the super villain of the american people.

[ixfxi]

Oooh, what if it's like subliminal messaging? While talking world policy, he'll just casually drop an n-word and he'll get Trump conservatives to start listening. "You know, Biden's starting to make a lot of sense. He's using terminology we understand."

tf outta here. He's already stumbling over his words and everyone knows he still has stuttering problems. I don't like the man but it's pretty obvious this is absolutely fucking nothing.

i know lots of people who stutter, none of them stutter that word. biden cant even get a few words out without showing dementia. besides whos listening? maybe communists

trump tossed out a 2hr speech like a pro, entire country pays attention.

skip the race card bs, that shit is old and tired

[kingkilburn]

You say that like we all didn't sit through four years of Trump's catatonic slur-fests a clockwork orange style.

https://the-take.com/images/uploads/screenprism/_constrain-480w/A_Clockwork_Orange_Title.jpg

[KA24DESOneThree]

lol "entire country pays attention"

I didn't even know Trump was speaking at CPAC. I was and am barely aware CPAC exists. "Breaking news: white people get together to talk about not changing."

Oh fuck. Sign me up. I heard they had a golden calf- where were Bartleby and Loki when you need 'em?

[SimpleS14]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/01/nyregion/cuomo-harassment-anna-ruch.html

It's looking more likely that Cuomo will step down as NY Governor.

[KA24DESOneThree]

As well he should.

No politician should be on a pedestal, and all his posturing after the fact doesn't change that NY was woefully underprepared for COVID. Add that he doesn't respect or understand boundaries between him and his female staff and voila, a career disappears.

[ixfxi]

Who wants to take bets on how many weeks until we invade a 3rd world country or start lobbing missiles at children?

you called it


It's looking more likely that Cuomo will step down as NY Governor.

the cuomo brothers are useful idiots, they're disposable pawns


I didn't even know Trump was speaking at CPAC. I was and am barely aware CPAC exists.

that would require you being smart

[Future240]

FBI Director says capital riot was terrorism

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/north-america/capitol-riot-was-act-of-terrorism-fbi-director-40152332.html


Now curious as to how these charges get laid out.

I predict a fair amount of what aboutism is coming.

[kingkilburn]

Roy Blunt isn't running for reelection. That's five Republican senators retiring before the next election.

[mrmephistopheles]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/01/nyregion/cuomo-harassment-anna-ruch.html

It's looking more likely that Cuomo will step down as NY Governor.

It's very telling that the majority of dems aren't rushing to his defense, and that most are in favor of him answering for his misdeeds.
A rather stark contrast to how conservatives behave when their leadership is found to be doing dirty.

[cured13]

Is this April 1 or we kept our heads in ours assess for to long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DH4v6FnbvM

Must be fake media. :bite:

[KA24DESOneThree]

No, keeping our heads in our asses is the only way to stay warm.

The US has lost its vibrancy. Instead, we defend business like it gives a shit about us (newsflash: it doesn't and it's not a fucking free market you dolts) and squabble about every fucking thing. We circle our wagons around our political parties despite them miring us in bureaucracy we'll spend the next century unfucking.

I swiped right on anarchism a while back.

[Future240]

We a few months in. What yall think of the potus so far? yay? nay?

[mrturboextreme]

Just came here to say nay.

[deolio]

I like that he undid a lot of Trump's bullshit executive orders in regards to immigration, the environment, and equality and that someone has finally taken charge of the response to Covid, but I don't like the excessive use of executive orders.

He's already accomplished nearly half of his campaign promises, which is surprising for someone who can barely complete a sentence. And he hasn't incited violence or made any ignorant tweets, so that's a nice change of pace.

Still a senile shitbird maintaining the status quo and fueling a bloated government spending budget, but 9000% better than the alternative...

[Antihero983]

He went back on the whole minimum mandatory sentencing thing though, surprising absolutely no one.

[Corbic]

I like that he undid a lot of Trump's bullshit executive orders in regards to immigration, the environment, and equality and that someone has finally taken charge of the response to Covid.

I'd like to understand how you came to that conclusion. (respectfully)

We have more "Children in Cages" with a huge boarder crisis that's being ignored. There have been no immigration or visa reform.

Environment - okay, we'll have to disagree on the policies.

Equality? Only thing I can think of was opening trans-people in the military. Trump after all is the first president to be elected that supported Gay-Marriage. He also has the best track-record for economic improvements of all minority groups.

Covid? What has Biden done? The vaccine was already well underway.

I do agree Trump's handling was appalling, but likely for different reasons. These mini-dictator fascist Governors should never in a million years been aloud to trample on people's constitutional rights. There is no clause in the Constitution that states "...unless we panic".

A big issue I would hope we all can agree on, since it hurts everyone, is the Media's refusal to play hardball with this administration. The Pipeline shutdown has been devastating and the Admin's response simply unreal. This was practically covered up for half a week by the Media.

Millions of American's unable to get gasoline because of foreign hackers and what's the admin's response? "It's a private matter and up to them if they want to pay the ransom". A ransom that they did pay to get the line running again!

The one's most impacted are also going to be the marginalized groups the DNC so regularly champions. The rich can all work remote or drive their Teslas. While the poor single minority trans-mothers who can only afford to put $10 in their tank have to drive to their minimum wage jobs or be fired.

[mav1178]

Equality? Only thing I can think of was opening trans-people in the military. Trump after all is the first president to be elected that supported Gay-Marriage.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA-cSCfPrbk

May 9, 2012, Obama supports same-sex marriage.

[Corbic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA-cSCfPrbk

May 9, 2012, Obama supports same-sex marriage.

Exactly. Halfway into his second term.

He was originally against it.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2012/may/11/barack-obama/president-barack-obamas-shift-gay-marriage/

In August 2008, he told Southern California megachurch Pastor Rick Warren his definition of marriage: "I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian, it is also a sacred union. God's in the mix."

[mrturboextreme]

is the Media's refusal to play hardball with this administration.

This x1000000.

[mav1178]

Exactly. Halfway into his second term.

He was originally against it.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2012/may/11/barack-obama/president-barack-obamas-shift-gay-marriage/

But you said Trump was the first president to be elected to be supporting gay marriage...

so what, Obama was appointed? or were you trying to say that Trump was the first president to take a position supporting gay marriage prior to his election win?

for purposes of these discussions it's helpful to be accurate. Also, 2012 was the middle of the election year, not halfway into his second term

[Corbic]

But you said Trump was the first president to be elected to be supporting gay marriage...

so what, Obama was appointed? or were you trying to say that Trump was the first president to take a position supporting gay marriage prior to his election win?

for purposes of these discussions it's helpful to be accurate. Also, 2012 was the middle of the election year, not halfway into his second term

However you want to spin it. Trump ran on being Pro-Gay Marriage. Obama did a hard 180 after having already been elected President. The Clintons and Biden where certainly Anti-Gay Marriage all through the 90's and early 2000's.

Here you have articles with Trump's openly prop gay stance back in 2000.

https://getoutspoken.com/fact-check/trump-advocate-gay-rights

https://thepostmillennial.com/trump-is-objectively-the-most-pro-gay-president-in-history/

[mav1178]

However you want to spin it.

I'm not spinning anything.. you said Trump was the first elected president to be for gay marriage. Tell me I'm reading what you wrote wrong.

Again, if you are trying to say that he was for this issue before being elected, then yes you are correct. But as is the case with your argument about Nismo parts being a scam, you need to be clearer about what you post about instead of changing the argument halfway through to suit your justification.

GT-R and GTS-T tension rods are not the same part number.

First elected president for gay marrage and first president to run on a gay marriage platform are not the same.

[ixfxi]

We a few months in. What yall think of the potus so far? yay? nay?

hes a fuckin idiot

[deolio]

I'd like to understand how you came to that conclusion. (respectfully)

By looking at the numbers. The dozen or so executive orders he's signed/reversed in regards to immigration.

Equality? Only thing I can think of was opening trans-people in the military.

I meant equity. Yes, that along with 9 other orders/reversals.

Covid? What has Biden done? The vaccine was already well underway.

15 orders/reversals dealing with rona.

I didn't say he'd necessarily been doing a good job. I mostly just enjoy the reversals. And ending the federal use of private prisons is huge. Everything else all I see are dollar signs.

Millions of American's unable to get gasoline because of foreign hackers and what's the admin's response? "It's a private matter and up to them if they want to pay the ransom". A ransom that they did pay to get the line running again!

Alarming that hackers can fuck with such an important part of infrastructure, but are you actually asking for the government to meddle in a private company's affairs orrrr????

[ixfxi]

entering the US from south of the border = OK

cubans seeking asylum, floating into the US = NOT OK

at this point, anyone pro-biden is brain dead

[Future240]

I do not know why the illegal immigrant is such a huge issue. The rest of the world has super tough immigration laws. Just try to go legally live in England. They literally have a job list of qualifications you must have unless you marry someone there.

The truth is we cannot take everyone who is seeking asylum no matter where they are from.

Change the rules so people who are born here are only citizens if their parents are. Create family detention centers. Hold people together until they are deported.

Punish the companies who hire illegals for those shit wages. There are ways just need leaders with the balls to do it.

[mrturboextreme]

entering the US from south of the border = OK

cubans seeking asylum, floating into the US = NOT OK

at this point, anyone pro-biden is brain dead

That is because Cuban's historically have voted more conservative after gaining citizenship.