California Smog for S-chassis related

[BuddhaS13]

Hello, I'm deployed and own a s13 vert back in the states. I want to swap a sr20 in my vert but since I'm moving back to California, I won't be able to pass smog and won't be able to pass if I get referred. Would it be okay to keep my KA24 and just boost it to make it sleeper ka24de-t? California laws make things complicated. What should I make out of this situation?

[Om1kron]

you're in the military, spend your money on a better car and get out of the game while you can. You sound like you already know the financial implications of what you desire, a stock ka24 can barely fucking pass smog, what makes you think a non smog legal 240 is going to pass?

[BuddhaS13]

you're in the military, spend your money on a better car and get out of the game while you can. You sound like you already know the financial implications of what you desire, a stock ka24 can barely fucking pass smog, what makes you think a non smog legal 240 is going to pass?

I agree. But I just love my car too much. I originally planned to use it as a daily for when I go back to school for college and have it drift ready but I guess the best way to go about it is to keep the motor oem as much as possible. At most an exhaust? I already got coils and wheels.

[zooopreme]

If you want a car that is drift ready, build a separate car. Realistically, you will never need to drift on the street if you're just commuting. There aren't roads that require you to drift in order to get through. But if you're stuck on that drift ready mindset, a KA can get you sideways. I can see why one would want enough power but plenty of people have thrown a single and dual cam sideways, why can't you? It's street legal after all.

An exhaust will yield you little to no gain in power. The only thing you will gain is sound.

[ryandriftingfat]

There are a billion SR's in California. If you could have but don't have an SR20 because of smog laws, you're doing it wrong and/or not trying hard enough.

[MrMigs]

Hello, I'm deployed and own a s13 vert back in the states. I want to swap a sr20 in my vert but since I'm moving back to California, I won't be able to pass smog and won't be able to pass if I get referred. Would it be okay to keep my KA24 and just boost it to make it sleeper ka24de-t? California laws make things complicated. What should I make out of this situation?

Go KA-Turbo. Switch back to N/A if you ever get reffed. Then go back to turbo again... You know you thought about this lol :mepoke:

[ixfxi]

Go KA-Turbo. Switch back to N/A if you ever get reffed. Then go back to turbo again... You know you thought about this lol :mepoke:

yeah, because the installation and removal of a forced induction system is so SIMPLE

so fucking stupid


going turbo is not a 5-minute tune up job.

buy a better car or go with a crate v8 setup

[milto0n]

I recently (4 months ago?) removed my turbo components to pass smog. It is most certainly doable. Took me no more than a day to get it removed and started, about a week to cross the T's and dot the I's. It will, however, very much depend on your turbo set up. I have the basic bottom mount sr t25, 370cc, n60 mafs thing going on AND I already had all spare components in storage. It was a reverse installation process. Block off your oil lines, temporarily vent your PCV to atmosphere (but HIDE it in the manifold), reconfigure your mafs, etc. The hardest part will be installing the vacuum lines for the EGR.
This is why in my personal opinion I would rather have KA-t (please, not trying to be KAt vs SR!). Like Mr. Migs said, if you also get popped you can do this process as well. Not the best way to spend your week but way better than sourcing a spare engine and swapping it in to pass smog.
...And don't worry about how you spend your money. We've all dumped way more cash into our cars than we care to admit. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a dirty liar!!!

[Drift_FX]

if your military just register your vehicle out of state.... its legal and you dont have to pass smog(if your home state doesnt require it)

[S14DB]

buy a better car or go with a crate v8 setup
Yeah, The e-Rod setup was designed for cali.

KA-T is just as illegal as SR. Don't know why you would think It would be a better route. A well tuned and maintained SR can pass the tail pipe. Still won't help you on the visual...

[ixfxi]

I recently (4 months ago?) removed my turbo components to pass smog. It is most certainly doable.

post pics of your engine bay, lets see how things are mounted securely and cleanly

its bullshit, it cannot be done EASILY

most of my cars are missing a million smog devices for a reason, because i work on my car and they're an absolute pain in the fucking ass.

no egr
no evap
no cat

cat is actually the only item i dont care about, but right now i dont have a cat on one of my cars.. so im not worrying. but i never complain about catalytics since they never consume valuable engine bay space or clog up my intake with soot

removing oil lines, no biggie... but dealing with coolant lines, exhaust pipes... all a big fucking waste of time. do it right and deal with the smog issues (if you can) and if you cant, get a compliant v8 kit and call it a day.

besides, who the fuck wants a turbo KA. i dont. well, not a ka24*E*...

wait, i dont want a turbo ka24*DE* either

[spooled240]

yeah, because the installation and removal of a forced induction system is so SIMPLE

so fucking stupid


going turbo is not a 5-minute tune up job.

buy a better car or go with a crate v8 setup

I've had my ka-t converted to stock to pass smog and turbo'd again in a weekend. It's a lot of work but it's way easier than a engine swap and you only have to do every 2 years.

[lude4life13]

I agree. But I just love my car too much. I originally planned to use it as a daily for when I go back to school for college and have it drift ready but I guess the best way to go about it is to keep the motor oem as much as possible. At most an exhaust? I already got coils and wheels.

Just leave it stock. If you are planning to track it a lot then you must have another car anyways (unless your just a risk taker). If you don't plan on tracking a lot (less than 6 times a year) then you will have plenty of fun with the stock KA. It allows you to practice and fine tune your driving skills.

[zooopreme]

I've had my ka-t converted to stock to pass smog and turbo'd again in a weekend. It's a lot of work but it's way easier than a engine swap and you only have to do every 2 years.

How impractical does that sound though?

That's four jobs at the very least. 1 to remove N/A stuff, 1 to put in T-stuff. Every two years, 1 to remove for smog, 1 to put in for smog, 1 to remove N/A components and another to put in. Depending on the exterior for the car, you may have to do another remove and put in, then after you get written off, remove N/A stuff to put in turbo stuff in again. All in all, that sounds a bit ridiculous, don't you think?

I mean honestly, why not just be a smart person and not daily a "drift ready" car. Other than getting compliments from other men and teenagers from the mall, you'll have nothing going for you.

[ixfxi]

How impractical does that sound though?

That's four jobs at the very least. 1 to remove N/A stuff, 1 to put in T-stuff. Every two years, 1 to remove for smog, 1 to put in for smog, 1 to remove N/A components and another to put in. Depending on the exterior for the car, you may have to do another remove and put in, then after you get written off, remove N/A stuff to put in turbo stuff in again. All in all, that sounds a bit ridiculous, don't you think?

I mean honestly, why not just be a smart person and not daily a "drift ready" car. Other than getting compliments from other men and teenagers from the mall, you'll have nothing going for you.

its not just stupid and impractical, it also increases your risk because once you DO get on the radar with "the man" - you get switched from bi-annual to annual smog. this can and DOES happen.

so, enjoy getting intimately familiar with installing and removing your shit millions of times, or better yet... hire an f1 race team to swap the shit for you. no offense, but i'm just too old to give a fuck about switching shit up.

the way i see it, either be 100% illegal, or 100% legal. pick your poison.

[milto0n]

post pics of your engine bay, lets see how things are mounted securely and cleanly

its bullshit, it cannot be done EASILY

most of my cars are missing a million smog devices for a reason, because i work on my car and they're an absolute pain in the fucking ass.

no egr
no evap
no cat

cat is actually the only item i dont care about, but right now i dont have a cat on one of my cars.. so im not worrying. but i never complain about catalytics since they never consume valuable engine bay space or clog up my intake with soot

removing oil lines, no biggie... but dealing with coolant lines, exhaust pipes... all a big fucking waste of time. do it right and deal with the smog issues (if you can) and if you cant, get a compliant v8 kit and call it a day.

besides, who the fuck wants a turbo KA. i dont. well, not a ka24*E*...

wait, i dont want a turbo ka24*DE* either

That's your own opinion my dear friend. Define your idea of "easy". Again this is my personal idea and it can be done easily... and I want a turbo KA simple as that my brother. I had all parts in my garage collecting dust so it was easy for me to do, no part sourcing, making my job easier.
I feel as though I should have been a little more detailed. In January of this year, our cars (most, if not all of them) were switched over to STAR test ONLY. Meaning my smog connection was out of the question. The only sensible thing to do was pass legally. Will I have to do it again in 2 years? Hopefully not, but who cares. This is the price we pay to have these cars the way we want them to be, or at least how I feel about it. I offered this insight to the original poster so I hope it helps with his situation. Good luck with your future endeavors pal!

[S14DB]

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[zerodameaon]

if your military just register your vehicle out of state.... its legal and you dont have to pass smog(if your home state doesnt require it)

Just going to put this out there that this is false. A lot of bases are starting to make you get smogs to get base tags. I know that Pendleton does it and so does Naval Base SD, it is pretty hit or miss on who they hit but you are not 100% safe thinking you can just register out of state.

Also ixfxi wtf are you talking about annual smog? Got any proof that that happens because one of my friends has been popped three times in about 7 years with a SR and has each time done the dance of swapping back, paying whatever fines after getting refed and goes back to paying his friendly corner smog buddy every two years. You would think he would be on that annual list but nope. If you say something about another state that does not matter one bit because this is a discussion about california.

[ixfxi]

Also ixfxi wtf are you talking about annual smog? Got any proof that that happens because one of my friends has been popped three times in about 7 years with a SR and has each time done the dance of swapping back, paying whatever fines after getting refed and goes back to paying his friendly corner smog buddy every two years. You would think he would be on that annual list but nope. If you say something about another state that does not matter one bit because this is a discussion about california.

you do realize the change from test only to star was made what, 6-12 months ago? this is very recent stuff

tell you what, go attempt to pass smog, fail, and tell me what happens. once your car is on the failed list, you're pretty screwed. most smog shops wont want to touch your car

[slow92]

This is exactly why I won't ever live in California again. Before I got out of the military I was going to move back to California and after hearing about the state and all of the emissions stuff I changed my mind.

Heck, I even have a buddy that is a smog tech and I was asking him to illegally pass my car by running another car on the machine and just entering all of the data from my car. But, he had just been fined by the SMOG gods that parked their car on a hill away from his shop and watched and took photos with a large camera.

Even he has said California regulations are changing so they can get more money. Basically, if you do an engine swap on any car, foreign or domestic, it is a no go. If the car did not originally come with that motor installed you have to go through a referee. It has even gotten so bad that they are now smogging diesel cars and want to start testing motorcycles and even boats in the near future.

He even said he keeps getting bulletins regarding the popular lsx swap into 240sx's.

So.....keep it stock or buy a really bad ass car that has everything you want and you do not have to change to do what you want. Or, simply build a second car that you are only going to use on a track. Or you could go and pick up a 240z, because it is smog exempt, and put your sr20 in that. This is what I was going to do because I have way to much money wrapped up in my motor to simply get rid of it.

Good Luck. Cali sucks for us car enthusiasts.

[racepar1]

OK, first of all, this SHOULD have been posted in REGIONAL, not general chat.

SECOND, you CAN turbo your KA and KEEP all the smog devices INSTALLED so that it will at least pass the SNIFFER TEST. It's NOT going to cost you ANY horsepower. If you can pass the sniffer test it's easy to find someone to ignore the visual. The smog tech doesn't have to worry about spy cameras if your car is the one actually on the dyno. You COULD even get an SR to pass the emissions test simply by adding a second cat temporarily to bring the emissions down. The thing about CA smog laws is that MORONS have a hard time getting around them. It takes an intelligent and determined person to make it work.

As far as smogging diesels, motorcycles, farm equipment, lawn equipment, etc... I really don't have any problem with EVERYONE being treated EQUALLY. That is my LARGEST gripe with smog laws. The "enthusiasts" are targeted because they're an easy target. Enthusiasts aren't funding any politicians campaigns and we've got little political say. Meanwhile the REAL polluters are free to blow as much shit into the atmosphere as they want. Why? Because the REAL polluters are INDUSTRY and contribute large amounts of money to political campaigns to keep their own heads off the chopping block. I am ALL FOR smogging EVERYTHING in EVERY state. Pollution is a concern and it's about time that enthusiasts were no longer made out to be the villans.

[zerodameaon]

you do realize the change from test only to star was made what, 6-12 months ago? this is very recent stuff

tell you what, go attempt to pass smog, fail, and tell me what happens. once your car is on the failed list, you're pretty screwed. most smog shops wont want to touch your car

Yeah I live in california, and you did not post any proof of what you claim, you just dodged the question going on about star smogs. So where is the proof of your annual smog tests or you going to admit you are talking out of your ass?

Star really did not change anything. My car failed and I can still take it to any test only star station in the state and have it tested. I cannot take it to a star test and repair station but any test only will do. Do you even live in the state or are you just going on what you heard from across the border somewhere.


EDIT: Oh I see what it is you have a buddy who runs a smog shop, he should be able to get you some proof of the annual smog jobs, if you say "he said" that won't cut it because your buddy is a liar.

[ixfxi]

So where is the proof of your annual smog tests or you going to admit you are talking out of your ass?

EDIT: Oh I see what it is you have a buddy who runs a smog shop, he should be able to get you some proof of the annual smog jobs, if you say "he said" that won't cut it because your buddy is a liar.

you are right.

i dont live in socal, i dont know what i am talking about.

and to make matters worse, i live in florida. damn, i got self-p0wn3d

[Nezahualcoyotl]

you can do a VQ swap. Just need all the emission components too.

[ReLiC]

or do a vh45de swap.

[zooopreme]

you can do a VQ swap. Just need all the emission components too.

I'm not 100% but in order for the VQ swap to be California legal, you would need to figure out the fuel tank components--which ties in with smog. That being said, it's not as easy as you think.

[Corbic]

As far as smogging diesels, motorcycles, farm equipment, lawn equipment, etc... I really don't have any problem with EVERYONE being treated EQUALLY. That is my LARGEST gripe with smog laws.

Ok, then what about the real polluters of the world?

How 16 ships create as much pollution as all the cars in the world | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html)



Also, the problem with regulating other equipment, like dirt bikes, lawn mowers and generators is that you will drive cost up exponentially destroying those industries. It's one thing to tell a billion dollar company like Toyota to spend millions certifying a $20k car... it's another thing to get a small company like Kawasaki to spend millions to certify a $4k dirt bike.

Do you really think we need computer controlled, fuel injected, catalytic converted lawn mowers? Yeah, add a couple of zeroes behind that $189.99 price tag.

[Corbic]

I'm not 100% but in order for the VQ swap to be California legal, you would need to figure out the fuel tank components--which ties in with smog. That being said, it's not as easy as you think.

er... no

For Crapafornia you need an engine from a newer model engine with all it's OEM federal emissions equipment.

So for the VQ, you'd need that cats, egr crap and return-less fuel system or whatever. No different then a LS motor.

The E-rod makes life easy as it comes with everything you need and is only a few bucks more then most pull outs.

[zerodameaon]

Also, the problem with regulating other equipment, like dirt bikes, lawn mowers and generators is that you will drive cost up exponentially destroying those industries. It's one thing to tell a billion dollar company like Toyota to spend millions certifying a $20k car... it's another thing to get a small company like Kawasaki to spend millions to certify a $4k dirt bike.



Here is the thing about that though is most bikes are moving towards FI systems anyways because it is a more powerful, more responsive system and does not add a whole lot to the price of the bikes, 1,500 in the case of the YFZ450R, or a grand in the case of the Raptor 700s which are only FI now. A side effect of that is they also tend to run cleaner.

[Corbic]

Here is the thing about that though is most bikes are moving towards FI systems anyways because it is a more powerful, more responsive system and does not add a whole lot to the price of the bikes, 1,500 in the case of the YFZ450R, or a grand in the case of the Raptor 700s which are only FI now. A side effect of that is they also tend to run cleaner.

$1500 on a $5000 bike is a lot v that's like saying the "new cats" will only add $7k to the price of a car.

FI systems also don't mean they will pass smog, just ask the sr.

Also the bike industry is all ready crashing and go read that article I posted.

[MrMigs]

Geez guys, not saying to go from KA-T to KA every time you have to smog. Auto-pass is just a couple hundred bucks.

Just saying in the unfortunate event that you DO get reffed, at least it's an option. And once you have the ref-pass paperwork, keep it handy, it'll help keep you out of trouble, at least from my experience.

I've had SR for the last 5 or so years, drive in SoCal every day, and no problems really... I dunno maybe I just get lucky *shrug* Good luck guys. LoL

[zerodameaon]

$1500 on a $5000 bike is a lot v that's like saying the "new cats" will only add $7k to the price of a car.

FI systems also don't mean they will pass smog, just ask the sr.

Also the bike industry is all ready crashing and go read that article I posted.

Never did I say it would pass smog did I? Just said as a result they are getting cleaner, not the main intention of FI but a side effect. $1500 is a lot but when you are talking about something under $10k a lot of guys will spring for the added features of FI on a bike.

And yeah sad truth of shipping, bunker oil is nasty stuff. What is stupid is we let these things dock here in california yet for years we banned Navy mine hunters from coming here because of how much they polluted. Guess the Navy was not greasing palms quite enough.

[ryandriftingfat]

Ok, then what about the real polluters of the world?

How 16 ships create as much pollution as all the cars in the world | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html)

This can't be understated.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/25/article-2431964-1842D36E00000578-557_634x358.jpg

Extraordinarily simplified: We have restrictions so the rest of the world can spit whatever they want into the air.

[zooopreme]

er... no

For Crapafornia you need an engine from a newer model engine with all it's OEM federal emissions equipment.

So for the VQ, you'd need that cats, egr crap and return-less fuel system or whatever. No different then a LS motor.

The E-rod makes life easy as it comes with everything you need and is only a few bucks more then most pull outs.

er...no shit.

Since you quoted my post, read where it says that all parts you mentioned could be omitted and neglected in order for it to pass/get the A-OK from a ref.

...exactly.

I'll never understand how people outside of California talk the most crap about California--solely on smog laws. How difficult is it to own two cars? One for the track and the other for daily driving. If you really want to drive around in a car with an illegal engine, you'll find a way or deal with the consequences. Or how about actually purchasing a car that's job is to go fast to deliver pizzas? Seems like most people that complain are too lazy or too simple to think of a way to do it right the first time.

[ixfxi]

The E-rod makes life easy as it comes with everything you need and is only a few bucks more then most pull outs.

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quoted from the article

“Why are you even here? You got an EO sticker, just take it to any smog shop. They’ll sure as hell be easier on the inspection than I’m going to be—I have to go through every system with a fine tooth comb—and I’m tough!”

That little sticker, that get-out-of-jail-free card is all that matters, NOT the swap. fuck you morons who are taking motors from this, motors from that, then going to the ref to have the car inspected - thats all a colossal waste of time. whats not a waste of time? spending the extra bucks for that bullshit sticker.

so you buy the crate setup, you stick the sticker on your car, and you tell each and every person who pulls you over to go fuck themselves. and when you need a smog, you go to a average, run of the mill smog shop and pay for smog -- the end.

no junkyard motors. no turbo removal / back to stock / stock removal / turbo install nonsense

the sticker. thats all that matters. everything else is bullshit kid

[SpecialT]

Eh California is not as bad as everyone puts it out to be. Just pass smog NA and swap in the SR or KA-det. As long as you don't drive like a dumbass or have a "fan boy" looking car, no cops will hassle you. Been SR'd/Turbo for 5+ years as my daily. If your shit is mismatched, super slammed, obnoxiously loud... Cops will fuck with you.

[MrMigs]

Eh California is not as bad as everyone puts it out to be. Just pass smog NA and swap in the SR or KA-det. As long as you don't drive like a dumbass or have a "fan boy" looking car, no cops will hassle you. Been SR'd/Turbo for 5+ years as my daily. If your shit is mismatched, super slammed, obnoxiously loud... Cops will fuck with you.

I can confirm, I share the same experiences here in Los Angeles. Good luck everybody.

[FaLKoN240]

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quoted from the article

“Why are you even here? You got an EO sticker, just take it to any smog shop. They’ll sure as hell be easier on the inspection than I’m going to be—I have to go through every system with a fine tooth comb—and I’m tough!”

That little sticker, that get-out-of-jail-free card is all that matters, NOT the swap. fuck you morons who are taking motors from this, motors from that, then going to the ref to have the car inspected - thats all a colossal waste of time. whats not a waste of time? spending the extra bucks for that bullshit sticker.

so you buy the crate setup, you stick the sticker on your car, and you tell each and every person who pulls you over to go fuck themselves. and when you need a smog, you go to a average, run of the mill smog shop and pay for smog -- the end.

no junkyard motors. no turbo removal / back to stock / stock removal / turbo install nonsense

the sticker. thats all that matters. everything else is bullshit kid

I want to do this so bad now. LOL

[waxball88]

What's smog? What's ref?:bowrofl:

[ixfxi]

What's smog? What's ref?

whats a sister in gainesville?

a wife


"honey, iiii looove yoooo" :bowrofl:

[darksurfer81]

So what if you are bringing a car into the state from one without emissions? From the look of it you can't register it here in which case I guess it just sits in the garage.

[spooled240]

How impractical does that sound though?

That's four jobs at the very least. 1 to remove N/A stuff, 1 to put in T-stuff. Every two years, 1 to remove for smog, 1 to put in for smog, 1 to remove N/A components and another to put in. Depending on the exterior for the car, you may have to do another remove and put in, then after you get written off, remove N/A stuff to put in turbo stuff in again. All in all, that sounds a bit ridiculous, don't you think?

I mean honestly, why not just be a smart person and not daily a "drift ready" car. Other than getting compliments from other men and teenagers from the mall, you'll have nothing going for you.

I didn't say it's not a lot of work, but you can do some things to make the job a lot easier. For example, my mafs wiring has a weather pack so i literally unplug the z32 mafs and plug in my stock mafs. I then swap injectors and ecus and the car is back on the stock map. Everything else is just bolt on stuff. I've had my car smogged with oil feed/drain lines plugged, intercooler pipes bagged, and a boost gauge going to 0 lol.

..with that being said, I have preferred to just pay a reasonable price to have it passed

Geez guys, not saying to go from KA-T to KA every time you have to smog. Auto-pass is just a couple hundred bucks.

Just saying in the unfortunate event that you DO get reffed, at least it's an option. And once you have the ref-pass paperwork, keep it handy, it'll help keep you out of trouble, at least from my experience.

I've had SR for the last 5 or so years, drive in SoCal every day, and no problems really... I dunno maybe I just get lucky *shrug* Good luck guys. LoL

Not everyone has that luxury of a cheap hookup though. I've never had any issues until I went to shady spots like huge car meets and such where the cops are looking for people like us.

[Scope240sx]

smog isnt that bad in cali.. also DD an N/A Ka that burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrly passes smog.
bastards.
like the man said pick your poison, why go back and forth?

turbo it dont drive like a jack.. or keep it N/A and still dont drive like a jack..


either way you wont get pulled over if you follow the aforementioned NOT super slammed, jdm DAD DUUDE yellow fog light, coffee can exhaust with your drift life hella flush front & rear air diffuser with bucket seat set up and takata harnesses.

am i right or am i right?

Shooter McGavin out.

[Corbic]

Or if you really love cars..... move.

[racepar1]

Or if you really love cars..... move.

Yeah, pick-up and move your entire life so that you can have easier smog laws.

That makes fucking sense...

Are you even a real person or just a car troll bot?

Besides, smog laws all over the country are going to get tougher over time. At some point everyone is going to have to deal with similar shit.

[Corbic]

Yeah, pick-up and move your entire life so that you can have easier smog laws.

That makes fucking sense...

Are you even a real person or just a car troll bot?


How does it not make sense?

Google "moving out of California".

List of reasons why is nearly endless. The only reason to move there in the past was the weather and porn. Luckily we have Florida these days for both.

[racepar1]

How does it not make sense?

Google "moving out of California".

List of reasons why is nearly endless. The only reason to move there in the past was the weather and porn. Luckily we have Florida these days for both.

I'm a HUGE Cali fan, let's not start this discussion.

The rest of the US can suck it, inferior states get no love...

[zerodameaon]

So what if you are bringing a car into the state from one without emissions? From the look of it you can't register it here in which case I guess it just sits in the garage.

You can put all the cali equipment on the car to have it smogged. Most newer cars these days tend to be the same so its mainly only an issue on older cars. Someone correct me if I am wrong but the biggest difference on the 240 side of things is the ECU in the S13. Comparing my Cali vert to my friends Fed Hatch that was really the only difference unless someone did everything but forgot to switch ECUs.

[racepar1]

You can put all the cali equipment on the car to have it smogged. Most newer cars these days tend to be the same so its mainly only an issue on older cars. Someone correct me if I am wrong but the biggest difference on the 240 side of things is the ECU in the S13. Comparing my Cali vert to my friends Fed Hatch that was really the only difference unless someone did everything but forgot to switch ECUs.

THE ONLY difference between the emissions systems on cali and non-cali 240sx's is the EGR temp sensor. Federal 240's will NEVER throw a code 32 because they do not have the sensor to monitor the EGR operation. Non-cali cars should pass cali smog almost always, it would be a rare occasion that you need to swap ANYTHING. I've smogged plenty of federal 240's here in cali, NO ISSUES...

[racepar1]

Luckily we have Florida these days for both.

WOW, I missed that before.

REALLY???

FLORIDA???

SERIOUSLY???

No thanks, old people, humidity, and an abundance of retards are just not my thing...

[zerodameaon]

Yeah I knew it was something small like that for a 240.

As for the comment about swapping smog equipment it was for older cars. My step brother had to swap a bunch of crap before the smog shops would look at his 80s chevy. Then again that could have just been a dick of a smog tech.

[racepar1]

Yeah I knew it was something small like that for a 240.

As for the comment about swapping smog equipment it was for older cars. My step brother had to swap a bunch of crap before the smog shops would look at his 80s chevy. Then again that could have just been a dick of a smog tech.

Well, there's one mistake your brother made...


...that's the 80's chevy part!

Yeah, maybe a dickwad tech. On older cars like that though things MIGHT actually NEED to be swapped to pass.

There IS NO LAW that says that Federal emissions vehicles cannot be smogged in cali. That simply is not true in any way. There is also NO LAW that requires you to swap any smog equipment. Federal vehicles are smogged in cali as federal vehicles...

[calidrifter]

So what if you are bringing a car into the state from one without emissions? From the look of it you can't register it here in which case I guess it just sits in the garage.

As racepar1 said it will be tested as a federal emissions vehicle. Even if you bought a new car in Georgia you would still need to Smog it to operate in California.

As for emissions getting tougher in other states. This is completely true so while you may not need to smog your 240sx currently you may need to on your next one. Oh and guess who's laws you will be using. Yup Califormia's.

[that_one_coupe]

I'm actually slowly going to KA-T w/the ka/Sr hybrid manifold.I got the stock air box and other components. I guess I'll have to figure out how to make it efficient enough to pass smog.

[zerodameaon]

My car keeps getting worse the more I fix it, my car needs a kick in the teeth. Even adding a gallon of special gas only made it worse.

[lude4life13]

How does it not make sense?

Google "moving out of California".

List of reasons why is nearly endless. The only reason to move there in the past was the weather and porn. Luckily we have Florida these days for both.

Two reasons: Job and family. But then again most people here probably have shitty jobs and must not care much about family since they would rather move out of state to make a smog test easier. Zilvians are hilarious. I have to go to Florida once a year for job training and I will tell you I absolutely CANNOT stand it there after living in Cali my whole life! I'd never go back if I didn't have to.