kbb price and craigslist price

[powermymotor]

was looking up craigslist (sf) for a 240sx coupe 93..most of them are going around 3.5k ...i wonder why??
i type in kbb value 155k miles
this is what i get
Excellent
$1,915
Very Good
$1,765
Good
$1,690
Fair
$1,190

trying to buy a cheap car ..but everybody on craigslist is overpricing there beaters

[DJ-of-E]

Drift tax.

Before popularity of drifting in 2001, you could get a clean 125k mileage s13 for $3000...cuz everyone wants a Honda or Mitsubishi Eclipse.

[motteramm]

was looking up craigslist (sf) for a 240sx coupe 93..most of them are going around 3.5k ...i wonder why??
i type in kbb value 155k miles
this is what i get
Excellent
$1,915
Very Good
$1,765
Good
$1,690
Fair
$1,190

trying to buy a cheap car ..but everybody on craigslist is overpricing there beaters



*Their*....... :facepalm:

[simmode1]

If that's too high for you, you might wanna look into Miata's or Z31's.

[Chaluska]

for $3500, it better have an SR, and z32 brakes

[s0fa king]

cult following + drift tax

[fliprayzin240sx]

KBB for a 240sx...LOL, good luck on that one. Atleast you're still in CA, you might still get lucky finding an old lady with one locked up in her garage and hasnt driven it in a decade.

[tricky_ab]

i type in kbb value 155k miles


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[koukimonster139]

those values are for original, non modified cars. good luck finding a clean stock 240sx in the 1500-2000 price range.

[Blk96t]

Plenty of stock s13s in Midwest to be had under 2k. Except the majority s13 rust really bad out here.

[koukimonster139]

right.. as far as i know 240s didnt come with rust as a factory option. or did they

[KiLLeR2001]

Drift tax exchange rate is currently at (kbb value * 1.84) and rising.

[driftminds13]

Its supply and demand and then you add the drift tax... Basic economics lol.

[powermymotor]

yeah i figure supply and demand.. but damn i just notice this about kbb's.. maybe i need to re adjust my car prices as dealer ship price =p

[powermymotor]

deciding if i should sell my 07 tsx to soup up a 240sx coupe 92

[driftminds13]

When it comes to 240sx's you cant go based on kbb price. You need to know what things are worth, period. Or you will think your getting a great deal when your not or vice versa.

[zerodameaon]

This comes up every few months and the outcome is always the exact same. Hell I even got one of my quotes from one of these last year.

[devilishg]

The KBB value are for stock Nissan 240sx. You may get a clean stock 240sx but they are hard to come by. As one the fellow zilvians stated you may find one in a garage driven by and older individual or an automatic you may want to convert. The basic principle of economics comes in as for supply and demand, however some people over price their cars.

[Hashiriya415]

I never go by kbb on any car. Its like book for retards, nothing more.
BTW Why do you want a 240sx? Drift car? Race car? Because everyone has one and its so fucking cool yo? Looks tight slammed low and drives slower then moms Camry?

You wanna know what's worth getting these days?
Faster, Stronger, Better handling, Safer. All these things factory comparison with 240sx
http://zilvia.net/f/cars-sale/505544-q45-infiniti-nissan-cima-y33-zenki.html#post5156920

[zerodameaon]

I never go by kbb on any car. Its like book for retards, nothing more.
BTW Why do you want a 240sx? Drift car? Race car? Because everyone has one and its so fucking cool yo? Looks tight slammed low and drives slower then moms Camry?

You wanna know what's worth getting these days?
Faster, Stronger, Better handling, Safer. All these things factory comparison with 240sx
http://zilvia.net/f/cars-sale/505544-q45-infiniti-nissan-cima-y33-zenki.html#post5156920

Hey this is not a WTB thread.

[koukimonster139]

I never go by kbb on any car. Its like book for retards, nothing more.
BTW Why do you want a 240sx? Drift car? Race car? Because everyone has one and its so fucking cool yo? Looks tight slammed low and drives slower then moms Camry?

You wanna know what's worth getting these days?
Faster, Stronger, Better handling, Safer. All these things factory comparison with 240sx
http://zilvia.net/f/cars-sale/505544-q45-infiniti-nissan-cima-y33-zenki.html#post5156920

daft punk reference? lets get rowdy

[vehicle336]

If you don't have 3k to pay for a 240 then don't bother getting into the game. 3-5k is the bare min for any car worth modifying, not to mention what you're going to spend on swaps and parts. Can't pay to play? Then don't and go cry to someone that cares.

[powermymotor]

i just sold a toyota 4runner based on kbb price ..a little above kbb.. but damn after finding about this someone got a lucky buy

[wowitsaboy]

I paid 1800 for mine. just shop around, be patient, be confident that you are getting your money worth, and don't be afraid to tell a seller who wont flex at all on a super high price to eat a steaming bowl of dicks.

[KravingAKouki]

I never go by kbb on any car. Its like book for retards, nothing more.
BTW Why do you want a 240sx? Drift car? Race car? Because everyone has one and its so fucking cool yo? Looks tight slammed low and drives slower then moms Camry?

You wanna know what's worth getting these days?
Faster, Stronger, Better handling, Safer. All these things factory comparison with 240sx
http://zilvia.net/f/cars-sale/505544-q45-infiniti-nissan-cima-y33-zenki.html#post5156920

ROFL! This guy tries to take an opportunity to sell his car, well played sir, well played

[ixfxi]

You wanna know what's worth getting these days?
Faster, Stronger, Better handling, Safer. All these things factory comparison with 240sx
http://zilvia.net/f/cars-sale/505544-q45-infiniti-nissan-cima-y33-zenki.html#post5156920

Are you this stupid, comparing a Q45 with a 240SX?

[Lunghz]

i paid $2500 for my 93 SE coupe automatic, did the 5 speed swap, and its an original sapphire blue model. so around the $2500-$3000 price range is most likely what your gonna pay unless u wait and get a lucky find or u could get a fixer upper.

[fliprayzin240sx]

^^^Its a sales pitch...might as well do something useful in this thread since its basically another dumb thread.

[DJ 21o3]

3-5k is the bare min for any car worth modifying, not to mention what you're going to spend on swaps and parts.

He could always get into the honda scene. Those can still be found for under 2k. lmao

But sadly he is right, any decent car is going to be over 3k. There is one for sale nearby me for 2.5k that has a pretty hole rusted in the frame rails...


KBB is crap, always do a lot of research before considering a car. They said my Saturn Ion Redline was worth 6k and I sold it for 7.3k.

[Hoffman5982]

for $3500, it better have an SR, and z32 brakes

uhhh wat 123

[rwtf]

i see that all the time even for STOCK beat up to shit cars, 2-3k I'm like WHAT THE FUCK.

and you see the problem is the people who say "oh, its drift tax" and "its supply and demand" and just accept that, are the problem. If they are paying it, people will sell it high, no body buys high then prices come down. simple.

[13esim]

Yup its mostly the notorious drift tax, has any one else noticed S13's becoming more... ehm... mainstream? Like I've noticed, with some people I know personally, that there are just acquiring random interest in S13's. Like I know people who couldn't even speak a lick about cars, and all of the sudden are in love with 240sx's.

[Lunghz]

Yup its mostly the notorious drift tax, has any one else noticed S13's becoming more... ehm... mainstream? Like I've noticed, with some people I know personally, that there are just acquiring random interest in S13's. Like I know people who couldn't even speak a lick about cars, and all of the sudden are in love with 240sx's.

+1

thats how it seems in my area alot of the dudes around here are just fan boys... they see a nice one, for example CleanAndLegits silvia and go ballistic! alot of (what is sad to say) my generation think mainly off trying to be like everyone else, and "fit in" or "be cool".

[jzs14]

never cease to amaze me

[khon240sx]

KBB for a 240sx...LOL, good luck on that one. Atleast you're still in CA, you might still get lucky finding an old lady with one locked up in her garage and hasnt driven it in a decade.

hahaha...story of how i got my coupe :D

[DJ-of-E]

deciding if i should sell my 07 tsx to soup up a 240sx coupe 92

If that's too high for you, you might wanna look into Miata's or Z31's.

i see that all the time even for STOCK beat up to shit cars, 2-3k I'm like WHAT THE FUCK..

Man speaks the truth.

Besides, what is 'YOUR PURPOSE' of buying a 240sx? If you like and willing to spend a lot of money on this money pit, you wouldn't care how much it cost.

If cost of return, it's a money pit. If I was 25 years old and I want to be "because race car" with money from selling a 2007 TSX, I wouldn't even bother. Even if I did, in today's market, it definitely would not be a 240sx.

Let's say stock 2007 TSX sell for? 14k?

MUUUUCH BETTER options for 14k.
Honda 2000
Toyota MR2 Turbo (sadly, more cleans ones than 240sx)
Toyota MRS Spyder
Porsche Boxer
Nissan 350z
Mazda Miata

You're not getting much out of a stock 240sx. All of those has much better power-weight ratio. With CA smog, you think I'm going to waste my time every year or two dealing with smog police or STAR smog checks? I learn as I get older than time is precious and it is worth a lot of money.

[brian310]

because all the kids with hondas got 240s, as simple as that.

[fliprayzin240sx]

i see that all the time even for STOCK beat up to shit cars, 2-3k I'm like WHAT THE FUCK.

and you see the problem is the people who say "oh, its drift tax" and "its supply and demand" and just accept that, are the problem. If they are paying it, people will sell it high, no body buys high then prices come down. simple.

Well if you're not willing to pay the seller's price, you don't have to buy it. Nobody's holding a gun against your head forcing you to pay those prices. Remember, for everybody's selling price, all it takes is 1 sucka who is willing to pay that to sell it.

Shit, its not unheard of people selling sub 100k 5 speed Kouki S14s for $10k. Would I pay that much for a stock S14? Fuck no!!! Tell me how much those goes for in KBB...

[Rich260z]

This is just another rant thread. I paid $1900 for mine with 100k, blown shocks and only 1 brake caliper working. Drove that shit home and swapped out the shocks and brakes and it's good as new. a little dented near the driver fender, but mostly straight. Getting ready to do Z32 brakes and 5 lug on it.

[NinjaWithAGun]

Ha, kbb said my car was worth like $7200 when I went to buy it, and I only paid $5800 for a 97 in pretty damn good condition with <90k miles on it. Loan company was more than happy give the loan for less than what kbb said it was worth. Sometimes it can help!

[FRpilot]

deciding if i should sell my 07 tsx to soup up a 240sx coupe 92

Did you just say that?

Anyways, KBB has as much relevance as the BBB. I would keep the 07 tsx. If you are crying over paying 2k over KBB price, you seem like you wouldn't be able to justifying spending good money on quality parts, which means your 240sx will be a pile and you would have been better off with the stock 07 tsx. You'll regret it, trust me (unless the 240sx is a toy car on the side and you are willing to spend unlimited amounts of money on it).


With CA smog, you think I'm going to waste my time every year or two dealing with smog police or STAR smog checks? I learn as I get older than time is precious and it is worth a lot of money.

I agree with that, unfortunately I still waste a lot of it.

[terrence]

I've bought both of my s14's for less than 2k; who the hell is overpaying for a 18 year old japanese economy car?

[DJ-of-E]

I've bought both of my s14's for less than 2k; who the hell is overpaying for a 18 year old japanese economy car?

If they're clean, you could sell them here in So. Cal. =P

[racepar1]

Most of you are fucking stupid. "Drift tax" has NOTHING to do with it. As stated previously, it's supply and demand. Go ahead and try to find a CLEAN 240 for ANY price. They're not out there anymore. They've all been modded and beat to shit. A clean stock 240 is WORTH as much as a modded POS with a half-assed SR swap. Why? Because you CAN'T FIND a clean stock 240. 240's are getting to be like 510's, they're all used up. If I had a clean stock 5-speed S13 to sell I would be taxing your asses $4000 for it. I wouldn't feel bad either because that's what they're worth. The value of clean versions these cars has skyrocketed because so many have been effectively destroyed by drift kids. You CAN still find good deals, BUT you have to be resourceful and patient. Most of you are neither of those things.

OP: Why in the fucking hell would you look to KBB for a price for ANY car??? Much less a popularly modified car that is hard to find clean. KBB is worthless. NO car is sold for the KBB price. Go ahead and look up anything you like. Then go look for the same car on craigslist. You'll see that the prices do not match.

[Hashiriya415]

Are you this stupid, comparing a Q45 with a 240SX?

It's about 80% similar to S14 inside out. Except twice the power and many other better designed things.
You could nearly interchange almost every suspension part. Some interior.

[racepar1]

It's about 80% similar to S14 inside out. Except twice the power and many other better designed things.
You could nearly interchange almost every suspension part. Some interior.

And it weighs twice as much and gets half the gas mileage.

Those cars are not comparable dude.

I'll now compare a 997 porsche GT3 with a prius. That's sensible right???

[rwtf]

Most of you are fucking stupid. "Drift tax" has NOTHING to do with it. As stated previously, it's supply and demand. Go ahead and try to find a CLEAN 240 for ANY price. They're not out there anymore. They've all been modded and beat to shit. A clean stock 240 is WORTH as much as a modded POS with a half-assed SR swap. Why? Because you CAN'T FIND a clean stock 240. 240's are getting to be like 510's, they're all used up. If I had a clean stock 5-speed S13 to sell I would be taxing your asses $4000 for it. I wouldn't feel bad either because that's what they're worth. The value of clean versions these cars has skyrocketed because so many have been effectively destroyed by drift kids. You CAN still find good deals, BUT you have to be resourceful and patient. Most of you are neither of those things.

OP: Why in the fucking hell would you look to KBB for a price for ANY car??? Much less a popularly modified car that is hard to find clean. KBB is worthless. NO car is sold for the KBB price. Go ahead and look up anything you like. Then go look for the same car on craigslist. You'll see that the prices do not match.


shit, go on CL and see how many 240s for sale have "racecar" "driftcar"
or anything to do with drifting. Its all over..OH and of course "perfect for a swap" :smash:

[racepar1]

shit, go on CL and see how many 240s for sale have "racecar" "driftcar"
or anything to do with drifting. Its all over..OH and of course "perfect for a swap" :smash:

I understand that. The point is that the "drift tax" is over at this point. The drift tax was when there were plenty of good cars available and they were priced high because of the JDM appeal. At this point there ARE NOT plenty of good cars available. The prices are justified at this point, where as they were artifically inflated 10 years ago or so. I do agree that people are trying to sell the shit cars for too much still. I have no interest in the shit though so I am not commenting on that.

I have no issue with 240 pricing. I am resourceful, patient, smart, and connected enough to not have to pay those prices. I LOVE it because when I find a deal I can make some good money. Everyone is not equal. Those who have the resources can thrive in this market. Those who do not are going to have to pay the price or buy a POS. I'm all for that.

[FRpilot]

Most of you are fucking stupid. "Drift tax" has NOTHING to do with it. As stated previously, it's supply and demand. Go ahead and try to find a CLEAN 240 for ANY price. They're not out there anymore. They've all been modded and beat to shit. A clean stock 240 is WORTH as much as a modded POS with a half-assed SR swap. Why? Because you CAN'T FIND a clean stock 240. 240's are getting to be like 510's, they're all used up. If I had a clean stock 5-speed S13 to sell I would be taxing your asses $4000 for it. I wouldn't feel bad either because that's what they're worth. The value of clean versions these cars has skyrocketed because so many have been effectively destroyed by drift kids. You CAN still find good deals, BUT you have to be resourceful and patient. Most of you are neither of those things.


Isn’t what you explained in essence “drift tax” ? I doubt the 240sx would be in such high demand if it wasn’t for the popularity of drifting.

[racepar1]

Isn’t what you explained in essence “drift tax” ? I doubt the 240sx would be in such high demand if it wasn’t for the popularity of drifting.

vvv READ BELOW vvv

IMO "drift tax" ended once the good cars were used up...

I understand that. The point is that the "drift tax" is over at this point. The drift tax was when there were plenty of good cars available and they were priced high because of the JDM appeal. At this point there ARE NOT plenty of good cars available. The prices are justified at this point, where as they were artifically inflated 10 years ago or so. I do agree that people are trying to sell the shit cars for too much still. I have no interest in the shit though so I am not commenting on that.

I have no issue with 240 pricing. I am resourceful, patient, smart, and connected enough to not have to pay those prices. I LOVE it because when I find a deal I can make some good money. Everyone is not equal. Those who have the resources can thrive in this market. Those who do not are going to have to pay the price or buy a POS. I'm all for that.

[DJ-of-E]

IMO "drift tax" ended once the good cars were used up...

I beg to differ on definition of drift tax, but I definitely agree on this statement.

I LOVE it because when I find a deal I can make some good money. Everyone is not equal. Those who have the resources can thrive in this market. Those who do not are going to have to pay the price or buy a POS. I'm all for that.

Made out like a madman with a '97 stock kouki. originally bought it in 2003 for $6400 as my daily, was offered $10000 2 years later because low mileage and no dings. Bought a 2000 Celica GT-S for $7000 for auto-x competition reasons =P

[s0fa king]

drift tax will exist as long as kids wanna go drifting.

[racepar1]

It gets under my skin to hear the youngsters bitching about "drift tax" when the whole reason it exists is because they all want the cars. It's supply and demand. All these kids are demanding cars for cheap, but they never stop to think about the supply side. That is not only retarded, but also hypocritical. God forbid any of them get a fucking clue and learn how to find a deal for themselves. NOOOOOO, it's all gotta be handed to them on a silver platter.

[zerodameaon]

It gets under my skin to hear the youngsters bitching about "drift tax" when the whole reason it exists is because they all want the cars. It's supply and demand. All these kids are demanding cars for cheap, but they never stop to think about the supply side. That is not only retarded, but also hypocritical. God forbid any of them get a fucking clue and learn how to find a deal for themselves. NOOOOOO, it's all gotta be handed to them on a silver platter.

That and when they crash this car being a moron one more car gets stricken from the supply chain, then they get another car and crash it again. This repeats itself until they somehow get a brain or get tired and move on to crashing newer cars.

[KiLLeR2001]

It gets under my skin to hear the youngsters bitching about "drift tax" when the whole reason it exists is because they all want the cars. It's supply and demand. All these kids are demanding cars for cheap, but they never stop to think about the supply side. That is not only retarded, but also hypocritical. God forbid any of them get a fucking clue and learn how to find a deal for themselves. NOOOOOO, it's all gotta be handed to them on a silver platter.

Or more like they heard from an OG 240sx owner that they got their mint conditioned s13 hatch w/ 50,000 miles back in 1999 for $1200 and then they expect the same deal.

[that_one_coupe]

I just keep feeling better about my (mainly) clean sapphire blue s13 after reading all these comments. I didpay some tax but totally worth it.

[95zenki man]

And to think i only payed $2200 for my sil front 2 tone coupe....:fawk:

[BlewByYou]

Whats even more sad, You buy a s13 for 4K? insurance will only pay you $1400 hahahahahaaa... Nice investment ayy :P

[dluevanos01]

Most of you are fucking stupid. "Drift tax" has NOTHING to do with it. As stated previously, it's supply and demand. Go ahead and try to find a CLEAN 240 for ANY price. They're not out there anymore. They've all been modded and beat to shit. A clean stock 240 is WORTH as much as a modded POS with a half-assed SR swap. Why? Because you CAN'T FIND a clean stock 240. 240's are getting to be like 510's, they're all used up. If I had a clean stock 5-speed S13 to sell I would be taxing your asses $4000 for it. I wouldn't feel bad either because that's what they're worth. The value of clean versions these cars has skyrocketed because so many have been effectively destroyed by drift kids. You CAN still find good deals, BUT you have to be resourceful and patient. Most of you are neither of those things.

OP: Why in the fucking hell would you look to KBB for a price for ANY car??? Much less a popularly modified car that is hard to find clean. KBB is worthless. NO car is sold for the KBB price. Go ahead and look up anything you like. Then go look for the same car on craigslist. You'll see that the prices do not match.

I quoted you because I partially agree with you. Supply and demand has something to do with it. With a fixed or decreasing supply (since a lot are being crashed and Nissan is not producing anymore) and with increasing demand from whoever it be, cause a rise in prices.

It all has to do with whether supply creates demand, or if demand creates supply. I personally believe in the later one.So when a person wants something they look at the utility ( benefit) they will get from it. this will also justify your statement as to why a clean stock 240 is worth more than a half-ass SR swapped with "more" value parts in it.

A person when purchasing something must weight the marginal benefit and marginal cost. So if they decide to purchase a car THEY BELIEVE that the car outweights the cost. Thus their utility of the vehicle is greater than the cost, so they will buy it. The now lets examine some human behavior,. why do people buy Nike shoes opposed to a $10 generic brand? or why do people pay $15-20 for a shirt when pro club brand can be had for ~$4? or why don't people buy a SPL opposed to Godspeed? Because they are minimizing their risk. With a brand name, people, myself included, feel that they are minimizing their risk. Thus their willingness to pay for the object rises.

So when prices of clean 240s rise, other sellers of beat up cars feel that they can justify higher prices because they are asking close to what the clean one sells for and theirs has more "valuable parts".

I feel like you are the one who better describe the issue, and drift tax is just persons incentive to get a bigger return through moral hazard by making their bucket seemed and think it's valued at the same price as a clean car.

[powermymotor]

With CA smog, you think I'm going to waste my time every year or two dealing with smog police or STAR smog checks? I learn as I get older than time is precious and it is worth a lot of money.

i would be keeping the car for a long time. wouldnt mind changing back to stock if it needs to. just gotta learn more about cars.

[singlecamslam]

Everyone has a story "i bought my clean original 240sx for 2 chickens" no one gives a shit.
Its sad, everyone that drives a 240sx is to blame why they are so expensive. Simple supply and demand. How come a pinto is not expensive? Cause no one wants that shit. Look at the ae86 and 510, people with clean 240's keep them clean. End.

[zerodameaon]

people with clean 240's keep them clean. End.
No they really don't, there have been a lot of nice cars that are now missiles(or scrap metal) once this drift craze caught on. Only the ones that really care to have clean cars will keep them clean.

[240boi115]

i work at a dealership and i always get people coming in claiming that kbb has a higher offer for their car or that it says its cheaper than what we are selling it for... and i smile and tell them to let kbb buy their car.. oh wait.. kbb doesnt buy cars. kbb really screws people over when you get in an accident and you cant get the true value of your car on an insurance claim. you can find 240'sfor under 2k but they will most likely be beaten to heck or have motor problems ooooor itll be a shell, drift tax is a bish and if you dont have the time and money to work on your car then dont get a 240sx... ask anyone who owns their car on here. you buy a 240 you're buying a project.

[hatchtastic]

I paid kbb value for my car. It's a 93 se coupe 5 speed with every option minus leather. She had 56k miles on her when I bought it 7 months ago. Paid 3400 and it had never been touched. Literally everything on it was original lol. It's far from that now

[zerodameaon]

I paid half of KBB for my car in 2010, but look at it this way next year 93s disappear off the KBB site and by 2015 all S13s will be off. Soon people will not be able to check and complain about this shit.

[DJ-of-E]

I paid kbb value for my car. It's a 93 se coupe 5 speed with every option minus leather. She had 56k miles on her when I bought it 7 months ago. Paid 3400 and it had never been touched. Literally everything on it was original lol. It's far from that now

And you just added to racepar's explanation of supply and demNd for clean 240sx.

[yetijeff]

i paid half of kbb for my car in 2010, but look at it this way next year 93s disappear off the kbb site and by 2015 all s13s will be off. Soon people will not be able to check and complain about this shit.

+1..........

[Hashiriya415]

But when Q crashes into 240sx it rips through it like it's tinfoil :D
Gas is just couple bucks extra, however driving the Q is a huge smile on face. That can't be bought back with couple of extra bucks saved from gas money. But the money you save on not having to do engine swap easily evens out.
I already have easy 300lbs stripped of my Q. There is plenty room for more weight to be removed.


And it weighs twice as much and gets half the gas mileage.

Those cars are not comparable dude.

I'll now compare a 997 porsche GT3 with a prius. That's sensible right???

[powermymotor]

i work at a dealership and i always get people coming in claiming that kbb has a higher offer for their car or that it says its cheaper than what we are selling it for... and i smile and tell them to let kbb buy their car.. oh wait.. kbb doesnt buy cars. kbb really screws people over when you get in an accident and you cant get the true value of your car on an insurance claim. you can find 240'sfor under 2k but they will most likely be beaten to heck or have motor problems ooooor itll be a shell, drift tax is a bish and if you dont have the time and money to work on your car then dont get a 240sx... ask anyone who owns their car on here. you buy a 240 you're buying a project.

I am expecting a project car not too much though ..engine management..if i knew more..upgraded turbo..widebody s13 ...maaco purple paint

[ocn]

i wonder why or i should say .. i wonder HOW many times people are gonna keep asking this same stupid ass question? supply and demand, youtube, intial D, Tokyo drift, the list goes on an on. as long as idiots keep paying 3-4k for a old ass 240sx the price will remain the same. same thing with a Hachi Roku, your out of your god damn mind if you think im goin to pay 6k for a car that was made 27yrs ago. its not "DRIFT" tax its a "IDIOT" tax Period!

[DJ-of-E]

its not "DRIFT" tax its a "IDIOT" tax Period!

qft, can I have it for sig? :hsdance:

[240boi115]

i wonder why or i should say .. i wonder HOW many times people are gonna keep asking this same stupid ass question? supply and demand, youtube, intial D, Tokyo drift, the list goes on an on. as long as idiots keep paying 3-4k for a old ass 240sx the price will remain the same. same thing with a Hachi Roku, your out of your god damn mind if you think im goin to pay 6k for a car that was made 27yrs ago. its not "DRIFT" tax its a "IDIOT" tax Period!

I feel ya there so +1 its kind of like that for everything though with supply and demand i mean we have aero bumpers, and lips selling for more than what we payed for the car (yes im exaggerating a bit) there are people that are buying friggin toys for super large sums of money... its all idiot tax!

OP if you know its going t be a projectand dont mind then you should have no problems finding a good hatch for 2k with a blown gasket that youl fix..

[ocn]

qft, can I have it for sig? :hsdance:

ROFL go with it

[blue-silvergun]

Fuck Kbb, I'm glad they stop counting after 20 years. some insurance company's go by the nada which is just as fucked and they keep counting after 20. I'd still like to think a clean s13 is worth between 3-4k. They are getting very hard to find. I would like to put full coverage on my 13 if they would give me more than 1800 for it. I cant find a similar one for that

[racepar1]

i wonder why or i should say .. i wonder HOW many times people are gonna keep asking this same stupid ass question? supply and demand, youtube, intial D, Tokyo drift, the list goes on an on. as long as idiots keep paying 3-4k for a old ass 240sx the price will remain the same. same thing with a Hachi Roku, your out of your god damn mind if you think im goin to pay 6k for a car that was made 27yrs ago. its not "DRIFT" tax its a "IDIOT" tax Period!

Call it what you want. Bitch all you want. NOTHING is going to change it. The value of these cars isn't going to go down. It will only continue to increase. That happens with any popular car as it ages. You have to realize that we're talking about 24-15 year old vehicles here, including s14's. Also keep in mind how many were destroyed during the drift craze years, which some argue still exist. The 240 will always be a "cult classic", and because of that they will always be worth money.

[ocn]

Call it what you want. Bitch all you want. NOTHING is going to change it. The value of these cars isn't going to go down. It will only continue to increase. That happens with any popular car as it ages. You have to realize that we're talking about 24-15 year old vehicles here, including s14's. Also keep in mind how many were destroyed during the drift craze years, which some argue still exist. The 240 will always be a "cult classic", and because of that they will always be worth money.

i know, i could give 2 shits .. im saying its a stupid ass question, hes old enough to know what economics are. bottom line :gives:

[GANBATTE]

The 240 will always be a "cult classic", and because of that they will always be worth money.

write that down.

The clean 100% stock / OEM ones are extremely hard to find. Owners of these clean S13/S14's are usually approached and made aware of the value ("if you ever sell, let me know!") Took yrs to find my second owner 95 zenki 100% stocker. Its garaged and I just keep it clean.

[LoSt180]

I sold my 92 w/ SR swap back in 2005 (bought the car in 2000), when the drift crazy was just starting to catch on. It's kind of funny that "drift tax" and "stupid Honduh guys wanting Nissans now" is still the same complaint as it was years ago. (Actually "stupid Honduh guys" is becoming a complaint on the G35/350Z forums now that prices are coming down. They even complain that they can't mod a G/Z on honda budgets... LOL)

When I decided I wanted to get another 240, nostalgia I guess, the search was a bit eye opening. Mostly it's really is getting hard to find one in good condition that hasn't been heavily modified and ratted out. But also mainly the people trying to sell stock 97-98 models for $8-10K because, "rare". Good to know the 97 I just picked up for less than $3k could turn a profit if needed.

Another thing to remember is that the prices for ALL used cars, not just 240s, have gone up in recent years due to the economy. People keeping cars on road longer, can't afford new ones, cash for clunkers, take your pick. KBB is a good gauge for cars less than 6-8 years old, after that it's really just a crap shoot of mileage and condition. KBB said my 97 was worth about 2 grand, edmund's TMV pegged it about 3.5. Take that for what it's worth.

[Hiighboost2]

I had an awesome experience buying my car.
I got it with a misfire, horrible timing chain rattle, and a blown auto trans for like $800, but it was a complete car.
Replaced 1 injector, removed the top timing chain guide (it had snapped), and 5 speed swapped it.
I've had it for over 2 years now and have at least 7 events under its belt.
The old owner couldn't believe I was still running the same engine he sold it to me with. (stock KA with a bagillion miles)
These situations make for the best car buying experience IMO (if your looking for a project)
When the old owner is fed up with it or doesn't have the time to work on it, sometimes you luck out.

[FRpilot]

So when prices of clean 240s rise, other sellers of beat up cars feel that they can justify higher prices because they are asking close to what the clean one sells for and theirs has more "valuable parts".


That's the problem.

If a car has megan or godspeed links, primered, with pulled quarters I don't see that as an upgrade. It will cost me even more time and money to replace with stock or aftermarket. I don't even look at cars if they have pulled or dented quarter panels. The cost of fixing that at a bodyshop will cost upwards of 3K+

Now on the other hand, if modified cars actually had quality parts on it that I desire like an SR with a real Greddy manifold, Blitz exhuast, spl links, etc. then I would be willing to pay more.


and if you dont have the time and money to work on your car then dont get a 240sx... ask anyone who owns their car on here. you buy a 240 you're buying a project.

Never have truer words been spoken.

[racepar1]

Never have truer words been spoken.

More than that, 240's are getting to the point that to make one nice you're buying a RESTORATION project. 20+ year old trims and seals are not going to be good, no matter how nice the rest of the car is. Restoring a car is not cheap, or easy.

I'll expand on my previous statement of calling the 240 (S13) a "cult classic" and just call it a regular Japanese classic car. I was thinking about it yesterday and the following of these cars is rather broad to call it a "cult classic". The interesting thing about the 240's is that they were not very popular as new cars. This is also contributing to the current price of the used ones. As these cars age they may gain value faster than other, more popular when they were new, Japanese classic cars.

[dluevanos01]

That's the problem.

If a car has megan or godspeed links, primered, with pulled quarters I don't see that as an upgrade. It will cost me even more time and money to replace with stock or aftermarket. I don't even look at cars if they have pulled or dented quarter panels. The cost of fixing that at a bodyshop will cost upwards of 3K+

Now on the other hand, if modified cars actually had quality parts on it that I desire like an SR with a real Greddy manifold, Blitz exhuast, spl links, etc. then I would be willing to pay more.



I completely agree. I don't see a point in buying non-quality parts. I would rather pay more for a car that has "less" aftermarket parts but that are quality, than a "fully built" or "done" car with cheap parts. Some people are too anxious an buy the cheapest part just to have a modded car, when they could have saved for a little longer and get something that is quality.

[FRpilot]

More than that, 240's are getting to the point that to make one nice you're buying a RESTORATION project. 20+ year old trims and seals are not going to be good, no matter how nice the rest of the car is. Restoring a car is not cheap, or easy.


Pretty much. As old as these cars are, even if you are lucky to find one with 150k to be a reliable daily driver (most are pushing 200K+, on their last breath, or have "rebuilt" motors), you'd still have to do a lot of maintenance and replace parts. It's to a point that, if you want one as a nice and reliable daily driver, you WILL have to sink a lot of money into it replacing almost everything.

To me, they are restoration projects/toy cars to have on the side. I crashed my last s13 coupe that I used daily, but have since got a newer car for commuting and it's pretty nice not to have to worry at the back of my head about when it will die on the road unexpectedly. It was pretty reliable, but pushing upwards of 230K I knew it had to go sometime even though I was confident it would make it to at least 300k.

[powermymotor]

1 more year and this car s13 will become a classic japanese car haha

[Drewber2006]

I am expecting a project car not too much though ..engine management..if i knew more..upgraded turbo..widebody s13 ...maaco purple paint

I really think at least 80% of all 240 owners are just straight up broke.

You shouldn't even attempt ANY project unless you are this guy....

http://whatsongisinthatcommercial.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/GeicoCommercial.jpg

[DJ-of-E]

I really think at least 80% of all 240 owners are just straight up broke.


It's the new Honda. More than half of that 80% still live with their parents and most likely still under age of 25.

I mean, how many 19 years olds still asking the same following questions:

1) Is this a good price for the car?
2) Will this <engine, suspension, etc> part fit to my car?
3) I didn't use google, so help me with this <insert question already answered via nico, ka-t, 240sxforums, etc>?

[dluevanos01]

I really think at least 80% of all 240 owners are just straight up broke.

You shouldn't even attempt ANY project unless you are this guy....

http://whatsongisinthatcommercial.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/GeicoCommercial.jpg

what he said, or unless you plan on being broke for the foreseeable future, and then a little longer...... and a bit longer more...... then a tad bit more..... and then....some more...... and it keeps going until you just learn to live with it.

[singlecamslam]

Will anyone have a 240 40 years from now?

[feito]

Will anyone have a 240 40 years from now?

mhh, wonder if i'd be 60-70 yo and still own my s14 and hear young guys say:
I heard that old man down the corner owns one of them old "s14's" with some sort of engine swap.
then the other guy says
haha, poor fucker must still think his shit box can keep up with my 6k watt (hybrid know it all's, forgive my ignorance) prius haha

[zerodameaon]

Will anyone have a 240 40 years from now?

I see people still owning them but for some reason there is a law prohibiting fossil fuel cars from being started.

[13esim]

Will anyone have a 240 40 years from now?

it will be just like people with 240z's right now

We will have 370sx's etc in the future lol

[ghoti]

I see people still owning them but for some reason there is a law prohibiting fossil fuel cars from being started.

No that's only going to be California.