My theory of time/time travel

[One_love_silvia]

According to Einstein, time is relative.
Now, I was thinking... What IS time? I believe time is the process of an object undergoing change. While it may not be an observable change, one can say that the molecules in an object, regardless of state, are constantly changing. However, if somehow the molecules stop moving and achieve the temperature of absolute zero (currently known to be impossible), does the object experience time? If not even the molecules are changing and nothing is causing a change in the object, is it aging?

For example, take a t.v. show. While you're watching events take place, time is changing in the world of that t.v. show, correct? Now pause the show. Time in the show stops right? Nothing is changing? Now this is of course obvious. But apply that to an object in real life, and you get what I was talking about previously. I believe this would be how you could more or less, stop time for a given object; by preventing any change taking place.

But how do you achieve this, if absolute zero is known to be currently impossible? As we have recently confirmed the existence of the Higgs Boson (the object which gives items their mass), is it not likely there is another object which causes gives the property of aging? Now, obviously we can't remove this molecule, as the object it belongs to would permanently cease to age or do anything for that matter. But what if there is a way to stop it for a given time frame, and achieve absolute zero? It would essentially be used for preserving things such as living organs for hospitals. OR people, if you would be so inclined to go through a cryogenic educed coma, and later wake up in a work completely different from the one you're from. (Think Futurama)
Not so much stopping time for an object, as much as skipping it.


Now technically this would be a way of time travel, as the person would be put to sleep, and then (in their view) wake up right away. Though it's not the conventional method used in sci-fi shows where you "teleport" to another time, or jump through a worm hole and you're magically in another time era.

Thoughts on my theory? If you can't make a positive contribution to the thread, don't post. Easy as that.

[BOROSUN]

i grew up on the string theory idea in my head. which i got inspired from one of the motherfcking quantum leap episode.

basically, time is a string and to being able to manipulate it by making the string touch one end or ball itself.

i rather dwell on space travel these days, bending space to teleport to another section in space. goodbye air planes and mass transit!

[cchondro]

I see what you mean by being able to freeze an object from aging and in a sense that is time travel. But not really necessarily if you think about it. Your not literally pausing an objects time lapse but just "preserving" its current state until a later time.
Honestly when you talk about time you are entering a world of theory and creativity.

Like stated by BOROSUN,
I don't see time as a string but more like a road. Only difference is I don't believe there is just one road. I believe there can be several roads and to be able to jump time or "time travel" if you will you are not speeding up the travel on that road but simply finding a short cut or another road to travel on that gets you to your destination quicker. It may seem crazy but if you think about it enough it makes sense.

Here is an example.
Our earth completes a full rotation after 24 hours
Which means our earth rotates at the equator at appox. 1038 miles each hour but decreases when you move up or down from the equator. It becomes about 600-700mph at mid latitude because our earth is a circle. So the farther away you go from the center the slower the rotation is.
So does that mean it takes more actual time for the mid latitude area to complete a full rotation than the center of out earth.

Here is another example that may make more sense.

Im in Florida and its 6 o clock. In California its 3 o clock. But it only takes 1.5 hours to travel on a plain. In a sense thats jumping onto another road of time that passes faster than it does on earth. Because in a sense it should take 3 hours or more to get to California from Florida on earth but when you leave earths surface or time "road" you are traveling on a different time road in a sense.

Now in that theory if we were able to travel faster than we do now we should be able to "jump" time or in a sense time travel. But we are still aging so we are not necessarily paused or not aging but just in a way preserving our current state.
When we are on that flight we have only aged 1.5 hours compared to the 3 hours the earth has aged so if we were able to travel faster like lets say it takes us only 10 seconds to make that flight from fl. to cali. we haven't stopped aging but just in away preserved our time clock of aging over the earths in a sense.

So another question to ask is does our earth age at the same rate we do.

Its confusing but I hope that makes sense

[Matej]

In theory, it could be possible to travel to the future if you hang out on the outskirts of a black hole. :)
As for traveling to the past, that is a bit more complicated. Obviously no one has succeeded at it in the future so far, since they have not paid us a visit yet.

NOVA's The Fabric of the Cosmos was a very interesting series. Of course the concepts are simplified to help people grasp them, but it still provides some great information.
Here is the segment on time:
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[cchondro]

In theory, it could be possible to travel to the future if you hang out on the outskirts of a black hole. :)
As for traveling to the past, that is a bit more complicated. Obviously no one has succeeded at it in the future so far, since they have not paid us a visit yet.


But here is something that I find complicating to understand.
If we are traveling on a road we can always turn around and go back but that doesnt mean time goes in reverse it keeps moving forward.
So how can we actually time travel. We can speed up time but we can not throw it in reverse and gain time back. as far as we know.

So with that being said I think the reason we have not been "visited" from the future is because in a sense it has not happened yet. We in the present time have not reached that part of the road. So how are there people already in the future. Just like how can we travel to the people in the past.

thoughts?

[OrangeVirus1]

Time travel ( forward only ) is completely possible and proven. ( Higgs Boson )

All you have to do is Travel in any direction at 99.9999% the speed of light for a set amount of time.

let me explain what this show said, that proves this:

Imagine you are on a Train. The train is circling the earth for 1 month non stop traveling 99.99999999% the speed of light. You are at the back of the train. you do a Full sprint to the front of the train. Are you moving faster than the speed of light then? No. because Time slows down as you aproach the speed of light. They calculated that staying on this train for around 1 month, would equal around 100 years outside the train.

interesting stuff. Time travel is real, when going forward.

I don't think reverse travel will ever be possible, unless someone can figure out how atoms can reverse decay, molecules come back together etc..

[Matej]

But here is something that I find complicating to understand.
If we are traveling on a road we can always turn around and go back but that doesnt mean time goes in reverse it keeps moving forward.
So how can we actually time travel. We can speed up time but we can not throw it in reverse and gain time back. as far as we know.

So with that being said I think the reason we have not been "visited" from the future is because in a sense it has not happened yet. We in the present time have not reached that part of the road. So how are there people already in the future. Just like how can we travel to the people in the past.
If you have some free time (zing), the video I posted explains the big theories much better than I could, as they are a bit beyond me as well. :)
Obviously a lot of it is just that, theories, but it is still very interesting stuff.


Imagine you are on a Train. The train is circling the earth for 1 month non stop traveling 99.99999999% the speed of light. You are at the back of the train. you do a Full sprint to the front of the train. Are you moving faster than the speed of light then? No. because Time slows down as you aproach the speed of light. They calculated that staying on this train for around 1 month, would equal around 100 years outside the train.
Similar to the classic physics class riddle about what would happen if you drive at the speed of light, and turn on your headlights.

[One_love_silvia]

I think i was a little unclear on what i was explaining..

I'm not saying time literally stops. I'm saying the object doesn't experience time, therefore the perception of the object would be that time has stopped. of course this stopping of time wouldnt be possible for the object to observe. In essence, it would be the same as one person falling asleep, while another person sits next to that person for 8 hours straight. The person who is awake would observe 8 hours passing, while (given the person isn't dreaming) the person sleeping might not feel as if any time has passed. this doesn't work for me however, as i can sense time passing in my sleep lol

[OrangeVirus1]

You should read up about the ( I believe ) russian scientists who were successful in reverse time travel. It was a really interesting read ( dunno where )

They first attempted with animals, then a person, set his watch on his wrist, and put him in this machine. It was made with some super high powered magnets, radioactive stuff, and some other sh**.

Anyway They put him in it and ran it, and he went Reverse in time something like 20 seconds, but then when they took him out he was dead and had all sorts of random wounds..

( also all the animals they tried it on died )

this was in the 40's or 50's I think

[One_love_silvia]

You should read up about the ( I believe ) russian scientists who were successful in reverse time travel. It was a really interesting read ( dunno where )

They first attempted with animals, then a person, set his watch on his wrist, and put him in this machine. It was made with some super high powered magnets, radioactive stuff, and some other sh**.

Anyway They put him in it and ran it, and he went Reverse in time something like 20 seconds, but then when they took him out he was dead and had all sorts of random wounds..

( also all the animals they tried it on died )

this was in the 40's or 50's I think

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[cchondro]

After watching that video its a little more clear on what the theories say.
Time is not a moving state at all.
Time to you can be different from my time and so on and so forth.
Just like I was saying in my previous post. Time on earth is different than time in the air and time in space and so on and so on.
In that you are able to so called "time travel" in the sense that you can speed up time. But how? After realizing that my theory and thought process on this matter is the same as the way Einstein thinks of it (which is really weird since ive never actually researched this just have thought about it on numerous occasions) it all makes sense.

Time like I said above is not moving.
Yes time can be measured but it cant be controlled.
Time is different for each person experiencing it.
Which is were space and time come into play. When you are standing still you are moving at earths time rate. 24 hours. But when you add space into play you are putting an opposing force into play, in that you a technically slowing your time down to accommodate for the change in space. Your time clock slows down while the earth remains at its pace ( since earth doesnt slow down, it is a constant).
With that being said you CAN travel in time forward, but since time is not moving alone how is that possible. Thats where spacetime comes into play
Space time is a 4 dimensional space. It hold all moments in time all in one space. You can hop to different places in completely different moments at any moment. From the start of the universe (im christian so if your not add you theory here) Where God put together the first second of time and in a sense got the ball rolling. You are then able to move forward as far as you want. Past, Present, Future all are real at the same moment. But from that point forward. Time naturally in our world moves forward, but in physics your equation can go forward and reverse. For instance 2 X 2 =4 you can reverse this problem by 4 / 2 =2. So why cant time go in reverse, we dont know and this is the problem no one can solve. We can not get time to go reverse. We can go backwards but time will always seem to move forward. But according to theory time does not move. So then we should be able to go back. Time is like a movie reel. Moments are depicted in each frame. Same with time. Its all alive Past, Present, Future but then once again why cant we go back. Well some scientists believe you can using a worm hole. You in theory should be able to jump back to where you began, but like said before why havent we seen some one pop into our time out of the blue. Which leads to the fact that its not possible yet. Or will it never be possible, we dont know.

What I believe is its impossible
From my christian beliefs feel free to disagree, I believe God made it that way on purpose.
If you mix God with Science which seems stupid but it works in my head. God has pre-determined out fates. Which is like spacetime, the future is already existing just like the present and past but we choose our direction and ways of getting to said pre-existing future. Now if we were able to go into the past we would be able to change the situations in the past which would then alter our present and future experiences that has been already been pre determined.
Its crazy to think about but mind boggling at the same time

[OrangeVirus1]

We can't travel back in time because we can't make atoms reverse there radioactive decay.

numbers are a man made thing. we can make them do anything we want. hell I am sure there is a possible way to make 2+2 = 3

Think about it this way, Lets say the Hydrogen molecules that were once apart of a Walking, living dinosaur, that dinosaur dies. over the years that hydrogen breaks up, becomes atoms, moves into a lake. lake dries up, hydrogen goes into the sky, rains down into the ocean and dries up 100,000x over, That same hydrogen atom gets sucked into your engine and burnt up upon combustion.


how the hell are you going to reverse that hydrogen back to that dinosaur. because if it wasn't the EXACT same atoms at the exact same atomic and molecular structure it is Not the same as it was before.

[turbobrick]

To the above post, hydrogen is an element and are atoms, not molecules. Well, there is molecular hydrogen, H2, but it can't bond to anything else and will be just hydrogen.


Anyway, the temperature of absolute zero is impossible. Also, there is something called the zero point energy, which basically is the lowest possible energy something can have. Because of that there will always be motion no matter how cold you get something.

[OutlawLui]

this is interesting to read :)

[all show no go]

I love this thread. :wcc:

[OrangeVirus1]

To the above post, hydrogen is an element and are atoms, not molecules. Well, there is molecular hydrogen, H2, but it can't bond to anything else and will be just hydrogen.


Anyway, the temperature of absolute zero is impossible. Also, there is something called the zero point energy, which basically is the lowest possible energy something can have. Because of that there will always be motion no matter how cold you get something.

you know what I meant Atoms, molecules etc..

[paintkilz]

only issue with the theory is youre regarding time as a factor. Theres plenty of science now that shows time is only a factor in this reality/dimension.


theres a lot of talk that einsteins theorys were not what they are claimed to be and leave a lot to be questioned regarding theoretical physics..especially getting into higher order phyics like string theory or most quantum fields...

[paintkilz]

have to add that the fabric of the cosmos series is legit. Brian Greene is in my top list of scientists...as well as Leonard Susskind...gota love a guy that proves Hawking wrong.

[roboticnissan]

After watching that video its a little more clear on what the theories say.
Time is not a moving state at all.
Time to you can be different from my time and so on and so forth.
Just like I was saying in my previous post. Time on earth is different than time in the air and time in space and so on and so on.
In that you are able to so called "time travel" in the sense that you can speed up time. But how? After realizing that my theory and thought process on this matter is the same as the way Einstein thinks of it (which is really weird since ive never actually researched this just have thought about it on numerous occasions) it all makes sense.

Time like I said above is not moving.
Yes time can be measured but it cant be controlled.
Time is different for each person experiencing it.
Which is were space and time come into play. When you are standing still you are moving at earths time rate. 24 hours. But when you add space into play you are putting an opposing force into play, in that you a technically slowing your time down to accommodate for the change in space. Your time clock slows down while the earth remains at its pace ( since earth doesnt slow down, it is a constant).
With that being said you CAN travel in time forward, but since time is not moving alone how is that possible. Thats where spacetime comes into play
Space time is a 4 dimensional space. It hold all moments in time all in one space. You can hop to different places in completely different moments at any moment. From the start of the universe (im christian so if your not add you theory here) Where God put together the first second of time and in a sense got the ball rolling. You are then able to move forward as far as you want. Past, Present, Future all are real at the same moment. But from that point forward. Time naturally in our world moves forward, but in physics your equation can go forward and reverse. For instance 2 X 2 =4 you can reverse this problem by 4 / 2 =2. So why cant time go in reverse, we dont know and this is the problem no one can solve. We can not get time to go reverse. We can go backwards but time will always seem to move forward. But according to theory time does not move. So then we should be able to go back. Time is like a movie reel. Moments are depicted in each frame. Same with time. Its all alive Past, Present, Future but then once again why cant we go back. Well some scientists believe you can using a worm hole. You in theory should be able to jump back to where you began, but like said before why havent we seen some one pop into our time out of the blue. Which leads to the fact that its not possible yet. Or will it never be possible, we dont know.

What I believe is its impossible
From my christian beliefs feel free to disagree, I believe God made it that way on purpose.
If you mix God with Science which seems stupid but it works in my head. God has pre-determined out fates. Which is like spacetime, the future is already existing just like the present and past but we choose our direction and ways of getting to said pre-existing future. Now if we were able to go into the past we would be able to change the situations in the past which would then alter our present and future experiences that has been already been pre determined.
Its crazy to think about but mind boggling at the same time



I really like your theory. And that says a lot because you're from Florida and Christian

[Celli]

As said previously, time travel back is a bit of a stretch. However, when looking out into space, the further you look, the longer ago it happened. Since the speed of light is slow (relative of the distance anything is from us). So we can kinda look at the past in "real-time" if that makes sense. Now teleporting. Or a "wormhole". My rational brain says that teleporting is impossible. My minds version of teleporting is basically old school willy wonka. The ability to break up the molecules of something and shoot them at near light speeds. The only reason I could ever imagine a wormhole is because of black holes. We know that time CAN be bent. For me though, it's difficult to grasp. Like infinite.

Another good point someone else made, if we discover time travel in the future, how come we don't know yet? Wouldn't someone obviously come back and let it leak?
To that, I think of a movie. I can't remember the name to save my life. But it was about people(during the time before time travel) kill those who misuse time travel in the future(as its illegal). Maybe time travel will exist one day. But because it can be so destructive, I would be led to believe that it will be outlawed or HEAVILY regulated.

[Celli]

What I believe is its impossible
From my christian beliefs feel free to disagree, I believe God made it that way on purpose.
If you mix God with Science which seems stupid but it works in my head. God has pre-determined out fates. Which is like spacetime, the future is already existing just like the present and past but we choose our direction and ways of getting to said pre-existing future. Now if we were able to go into the past we would be able to change the situations in the past which would then alter our present and future experiences that has been already been pre determined.
Its crazy to think about but mind boggling at the same time

I like this whole paragraph. But I'd like to focus on what I bolded. My personal belief on that is: god knows everything that has/will happen. BUT he didn't choose it. There's a fine line between fate and predetermination. I believe that we have a fate that we can not change. However, I dot believe god chose the fate, he just knows it.

Thoughts?

[One_love_silvia]

To the above post, hydrogen is an element and are atoms, not molecules. Well, there is molecular hydrogen, H2, but it can't bond to anything else and will be just hydrogen.


Anyway, the temperature of absolute zero is impossible. Also, there is something called the zero point energy, which basically is the lowest possible energy something can have. Because of that there will always be motion no matter how cold you get something.

nothing is impossible my friend. at one point in time, it was impossible for man to travel to the moon. at one point in time, it was impossible for humans to fly, now we can. At one point in time, it was impossible that the earth was round.

I believe it was Thomas Edison who tried like 1000 ways to create a light bulb and failed. It didn't mean it was impossible, it just meant there was 1000 ways it wasn't possible. You have to discover the possible way to go about doing things.

TL;DR version: Nothing is impossible. It's just a matter of how you go about doing it, that makes it possible ;)

[Celli]

nothing is impossible my friend. at one point in time, it was impossible for man to travel to the moon. at one point in time, it was impossible for humans to fly, now we can. At one point in time, it was impossible that the earth was round.

I believe it was Thomas Edison who tried like 1000 ways to create a light bulb and failed. It didn't mean it was impossible, it just meant there was 1000 ways it wasn't possible. You have to discover the possible way to go about doing things.

TL;DR version: Nothing is impossible. It's just a matter of how you go about doing it, that makes it possible ;)

I love the optimism and all buuuuut... That's not really logical. There are plenty of things impossible. Is time travel? Idk. Absolute zero? Probably. Just like the speed of light. Theoretically, if mass were to reach the speed of light, it would lose all properties of mass and literally BECOME light. That would also be breaking newtons laws of physics "mass can neither be created nor destroyed" turning mass to light=mass destroyed.

See where I'm going?

[OrangeVirus1]

What about things already traveling faster than the speed of light and have been traveling faster than the speed of light since Infinity?

There are things that make the speed of light seem slow

what they are.. no freaking clue, but they exist.

We have no idea what happens when mass travels at the speed of light. no way to know if it dissapears, turns into photons, or makes the universe explode.

[Celli]

What about things already traveling faster than the speed of light and have been traveling faster than the speed of light since Infinity?

There are things that make the speed of light seem slow

what they are.. no freaking clue, but they exist.

turning mass into light doesn't destroy it, since I believe light is a wave and mass at the same time ( photons )

**facepalm**

The only thing that travels the speed of light IS light. And at the current moment, there is no known way for anything to go faster than the speed of light. It is the fastest anything can travel.

And no, light has no mass. And your right. Turning mass into light doesn't destroy it. Because its not possible. Mass can't turn into light. Therefore it can't go the speed of light.

[OrangeVirus1]

I edited my post Because after I typed it I knew I was wrong about Photons / Mass.


Do you have solid proof there is nothing in this universe that is currently moving faster than the speed of light? and what if this thing was moving faster at that speed since infinity and has been since before light ever came to being? You have to remember, that from those "theories" there was a time when light did not exist.

Theory =/= proof

[Celli]

I edited my post Because after I typed it I knew I was wrong about Photons / Mass.


Do you have solid proof there is nothing in this universe that is currently moving faster than the speed of light? and what if this thing was moving faster at that speed since infinity and has been since light ever came to being?

Theory =/= proof

Do I personally have proof? No. But scientists all the way back to atleast Einstein do. And honestly, anyone can play the "what if" game.

What if this is all a dream and you don't really exist?
What I dirt is actually healthy to eat?
What if air is actually pee?


See? A what if statement isn't enough to justify

[OrangeVirus1]

What if.. is science.

[Celli]

Did Albert Einstein get it wrong? - World - DNA (http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_did-albert-einstein-get-it-wrong_1590703)

Neutrino's traveling faster than the speed of light.

First off, did you read the whole article? Did you miss the part about the margin of error? The margin of error is 50%. Which means that(with the abnormally huge calculation) their calculations were most likely off.

That being said. To your "edit".



We have no idea what happens when mass travels at the speed of light. no way to know if it dissapears, turns into photons, or makes the universe explode.

1. We have no way of knowing what happens to mass when it travels faster than light simply because It CANT.
2. If it made the universe explode, then it's obviously not possible or we wouldn't be here.
3. Your link is from 2007. Here is one from 2012. Enjoy.
Once Again, Physicists Debunk Faster-Than-Light Neutrinos - ScienceInsider (http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2012/06/once-again-physicists-debunk.html)

[Celli]

What if.. is science.

Oh, did you decide to edit out your false proven link?

[OrangeVirus1]

yea already read all that stuff.

my link was from 2011 btw.

and All you need to know is that the real truth is Ancient Aliens

[Celli]

yea already read all that stuff.

my link was from 2011 btw.

and All you need to know is that the real truth is Ancient Aliens

Appologies, I didn't mean the link, I meant the content of the link. The "fast neutrinos" we're recorded in 2007.

And, no. The real truth is in God. And in Jesus our savior.

[turbobrick]

Do you have solid proof there is nothing in this universe that is currently moving faster than the speed of light? and what if this thing was moving faster at that speed since infinity and has been since before light ever came to being? You have to remember, that from those "theories" there was a time when light did not exist.


The fact that an object that has mass cannot reach the speed of light can be proven mathematically. Also, anything that has no mass such as photons, must always travel at the speed of light.

[Celli]

Thank you for your insights turbobrick! That particular info I did not know.

Guess that ruins the James bond photon cannon :(

[nujabe]

This is my type of thread. Bump for smart people.

[Celli]

This is my type of thread. Bump for smart people.

Do you have anything to add? Any feelings on the matter of time travel?

[One_love_silvia]

Appologies, I didn't mean the link, I meant the content of the link. The "fast neutrinos" we're recorded in 2007.

And, no. The real truth is in God. And in Jesus our savior.
let's try to keep religion out of this conversation please.


And i understand that it's been "proven" that mass can't travel the speed of light. moving 99% the speed of light however, may not.

To say that something is impossible is to limit yourself, as well as the rest of humanity. If you told someone even 50 years ago what we've accomplished today, they would have said it was impossible. some scientists are currently developing things that BEND light around an object, making it appear (or disappear :P) invisible. if we can manipulate light, what else do u think is possible to do with it? what properties of light give it the ability to move so rapidly? is it the mass-less-ness of it? who knows. only further research could explain that.

this is why i ask to keep religion out of the conversation. Religion is a way people explain the unknown. Science is the one that questions the unknown, and makes the discoveries. Religion could never aid science, as it's not a theory. it's a belief. That's why religion has to change, every time a new major discovery is made. IE the earth being round. They used to believe that the earth was flat, and as you travel more and more south, you would eventually reach hell. they thought this because it got hotter and hotter the farther south you traveled. They also believed black people to be the burned sinners from hell. Now we understand that that was incredibly racist, as well as wrong. The reason it got hotter as they went south, is due to the equator, and the tilt of the earth on it's axis. And black people probably evolved to their dark skin, due to the heat and longer days in africa.


To simply deny something possible because it isn't known as possible at the time, is completely ignorant. No offense. If you call things impossible, then there is no need for further evaluation. If there is no need for further evaluation, then there is no progress made. If there is no progress made, then we would still be cavemen.

[Celli]

let's try to keep religion out of this conversation please.


And i understand that it's been "proven" that mass can't travel the speed of light. moving 99% the speed of light however, may not.

To say that something is impossible is to limit yourself, as well as the rest of humanity. If you told someone even 50 years ago what we've accomplished today, they would have said it was impossible. some scientists are currently developing things that BEND light around an object, making it appear (or disappear :P) invisible. if we can manipulate light, what else do u think is possible to do with it? what properties of light give it the ability to move so rapidly? is it the mass-less-ness of it? who knows. only further research could explain that.

this is why i ask to keep religion out of the conversation. Religion is a way people explain the unknown. Science is the one that questions the unknown, and makes the discoveries. Religion could never aid science, as it's not a theory. it's a belief. That's why religion has to change, every time a new major discovery is made. IE the earth being round. They used to believe that the earth was flat, and as you travel more and more south, you would eventually reach hell. they thought this because it got hotter and hotter the farther south you traveled. They also believed black people to be the burned sinners from hell. Now we understand that that was incredibly racist, as well as wrong. The reason it got hotter as they went south, is due to the equator, and the tilt of the earth on it's axis. And black people probably evolved to their dark skin, due to the heat and longer days in africa.


To simply deny something possible because it isn't known as possible at the time, is completely ignorant. No offense. If you call things impossible, then there is no need for further evaluation. If there is no need for further evaluation, then there is no progress made. If there is no progress made, then we would still be cavemen.

I guess you have a very good point about that. My reasoning for saying it is impossible however are based on the current theory of mass and light. Unlike 50 years ago, we have highly developedxqu machines and mathematical equations to say its impossible(or highly improbable). 50 years ago, their reasoning for it not being possible was simply because they didn't understand the subject.

Hopefully to make my point relative, look at medicine. In the 1700's they stuffed beetles down your throat for a fever simply because they thought it worked. At the time, there was no "scientific process". The more developed we have become, the more we have been able to adress science. Will we continue to develope? Of course. Will we find new things once thought impossible? Probably.

I don't want to rule out the possibility of moving at the speed of light. Based on what I know, it isn't possible, but I only know what I've learned from studies.

And what just came to me. So maybe no mass naturally moves at the speed of light(like ununquadium doesn't occur naturally). But maybe there is a way to MAKE it?

My final thoughts on religion. Everything you mentioned on religion are beliefs of people created by people. Nothing you said can be derived from the bible. I fully understand you saying to keep religion out. It's your topic and it's fair enough for you to say it. But much like you say nothing is impossible, I see religion as... Well now that I started typing it haha I'm not sure WHAT I see it as. So I guess thats a good place to leave it.

[ayuaddict]

As for traveling to the past, that is a bit more complicated. Obviously no one has succeeded at it in the future so far, since they have not paid us a visit yet.

If and when the ability to travel to the past is available, it would be literally the greatest responsibility of all time not to destroy everything. So the only reasonable thing to do would be to set a limit on when in time you can travel back to, of course to be reasonable, a time before the discovery of traveling into the past would be off limits so we would not be visited, ever.

Or perhaps we were visited, which changed the course of history enough to actually deter the discovery of time travel or set back the discovery.

Theories are always very interesting to me.

P.S. if time travel is possible today, neither you nor I would know.

[Celli]

If and when the ability to travel to the past is available, it would be literally the greatest responsibility of all time not to destroy everything. So the only reasonable thing to do would be to set a limit on when in time you can travel back to, of course to be reasonable, a time before the discovery of traveling into the past would be off limits so we would not be visited, ever.

Or perhaps we were visited, which changed the course of history enough to actually deter the discovery of time travel or set back the discovery.

Theories are always very interesting to me.

P.S. if time travel is possible today, neither you nor I would know.


Very good point. Time travel could ultimately be the most destructive thing man has created. IF travel backwards was possible, I have a feeling it would be so incredibly regulated, we may not evn know exists. Personally, I can't think of any GOOD use for time travel. Changing anything in the past will destroy the future. Seeing the future is just as dangerous.

However, I have heard a theory of multiple dimensions. The theory says that if you travel backwards in time, you are ACTIALLY back into time in a different demension. And if you change something, it only affects the future of said demension.

[mewantkouki]

I think time is continuous. If you think about it if forward or reverse time travel actually existed then it's safe to say that people in the future and past are currently existing with those in the present albeit at a different point on the line. I will say that the present and past are the most influential point on the line though because they are responsible for the future.

[0100]

However, I have heard a theory of multiple dimensions. The theory says that if you travel backwards in time, you are ACTIALLY back into time in a different demension. And if you change something, it only affects the future of said demension.

Exactly. You guys should look up many worlds quantum theory, where the universe splits for every possible outcome. Kinda mind blowing, but when you sit down and think about it, it makes sense.

[OrangeVirus1]

here is the only thing that Gets me and I can NEVER wrap my mind completely around it.

lets say you have a time machine. you are 20 years old. and you can go back to the past. You Go back to the past and murder YOURSELF as a baby. Or you kill your mother while she is prego with you..

It's an impossible equation to get past.

SINCE : in-order for you to even reach 20 years old, that means you were not dead as a baby and lived to 20 years old, then you travel back in time and kill yourself. BUT how would you even travel back in time to kill yourself if you never aged to 20 years old because you died from getting killed by yourself?

Somebody explain to me.. because it is something that never comes out with a logical conclusion in my head.

( I know this is the Time travel Paradox )

[0100]

It could work in a many worlds theory.

[OrangeVirus1]

It could work in a many worlds theory.

that would mean you would be killing a different version of yourself... that's fucked up

[One_love_silvia]

it sounds like everyone here would enjoy watching steins gate. regardless of whether or not you like anime lol

[Celli]

here is the only thing that Gets me and I can NEVER wrap my mind completely around it.

lets say you have a time machine. you are 20 years old. and you can go back to the past. You Go back to the past and murder YOURSELF as a baby. Or you kill your mother while she is prego with you..

It's an impossible equation to get past.

SINCE : in-order for you to even reach 20 years old, that means you were not dead as a baby and lived to 20 years old, then you travel back in time and kill yourself. BUT how would you even travel back in time to kill yourself if you never aged to 20 years old because you died from getting killed by yourself?

Somebody explain to me.. because it is something that never comes out with a logical conclusion in my head.

( I know this is the Time travel Paradox )

how is this a paradox? you turn 20, go back in time, kill yourself, and then you automatically disapear. You are assuming with time travel that everything has a predetermined fate. If that were the case, it would be impossible to kill yourself in the past. But then again, it would be impossible to change ANYTHING in the past because its fate is already predetermined. Well now if that's the case, it would be impossible to travel back in time in the first place becasue no matter how long you are there or how little impact you made, something changes.

[conrad_s13.5]

Came in this thread expecting to laugh........legit shit

No super smart theories on it here, in for the read tho!

[Celli]

Came in this thread expecting to laugh........legit shit

No super smart theories on it here, in for the read tho!

feel free to chime in or ask questions! :wavey:

[Repiv]

Science goes in, time travel comes out.

[OrangeVirus1]

how is this a paradox? you turn 20, go back in time, kill yourself, and then you automatically disapear. You are assuming with time travel that everything has a predetermined fate. If that were the case, it would be impossible to kill yourself in the past. But then again, it would be impossible to change ANYTHING in the past because its fate is already predetermined. Well now if that's the case, it would be impossible to travel back in time in the first place becasue no matter how long you are there or how little impact you made, something changes.

but but but...

Still doesn't make sense to me.

because if you go back and kill yourself, you never grew up to kill yourself. so it is impossible to go back and kill yourself.

it's just a never ending loop.

And it is the exact definition of the Time travel paradox lol

[Mikey213]

You want to know about time travel? Pick up a Dr. Michio Kaku read!

[Celli]

but but but...

Still doesn't make sense to me.

because if you go back and kill yourself, you never grew up to kill yourself. so it is impossible to go back and kill yourself.

it's just a never ending loop.

And it is the exact definition of the Time travel paradox lol

Facepalm that's the point. Once you kill yourself, you would just disappear. You are thinking way to hard on it.

[Celli]

If you can't grasp it, maybe you should just leave it alone.

[feito]

but but but...

Still doesn't make sense to me.

because if you go back and kill yourself, you never grew up to kill yourself. so it is impossible to go back and kill yourself.

it's just a never ending loop.

And it is the exact definition of the Time travel paradox lol

Think about time dimensions as different roads. Say there are 2 roads representing different time dimensions, on one you r 20 years and on the other one you were just born. Your 20 yo self jumps from his road to your just born self to kill him. He succeeds, now he just jumps back into his original road. Nothing has changed on his original road because by jumping back in time he actually jumped onto a different road. But what if your 20 yo self had killed 10 innocent people in like a massacre or something, on his original road of course. By killing your just born self he just prevented a massacre in the future of your just born self's road, wont change a thing on your 20 yo self's road, but at least some lives were saved on another road(dimension). Am i clear? I doubt it.
Man i cant believe some people are actually bringing religion into this topic, smh...

[Celli]

I uh... I think I see what you're trying to get at. But in some places I can't tell because of all the spelling and grammar... And with religion, it has a place anywhere. Is it a valid argument? No because it's not proven fact. But that doesn't mean it isn't relevant to the topic. Only reason religion should be left out of THIS conversation is because OP requested so.

[OrangeVirus1]

You guys are just not understanding what I am saying. you should read up about what a Time travel paradox is.
Think about it in your head.

Let's say this : year 2011, you are born.
year 2031, you are 20 years old.
year 2032, time machine comes out.
you take the time maching back to 2010.
you kill your mother in 2010.

How the fuck did you just kill your mother in 2010? you would of HAD to existed inorder to do it. but in order to do it, your mother would of had to give birth to you.

I think you guys are thinking that when you travel "into the past" it's a DIFFERENT past then what has happened. No.

If I had a time machine, I should be able to travel back in time to a month ago, I should be able to observe myself doing what I was a month ago.

Or If I traveled back in time to when Abraham lincoln got shot, I would be there to observe that SAME bullet made out of the exact same metal, exact same Atoms and molecules in that very room, 1:1, shot at abraham lincoln in that SAME theater, at that exact SAME point in time, with the Earth/ sun/ planets all being in the EXACT same place/ orbit at that very minute.


if that is not the case, you are not traveling back in time. you are merely traveling into a completely different reality.

[Celli]

Seriously? once again you are assuming "predetermined fate".

NOT predetermined: born 2000. 2030, time machine comes out. Go back to 1999 and kill your mom, NOW you disappear right as you kill your mom. That's because her fate was NOT predetermined.

Now, if fate IS predetermined, then yes, you would be correct. But if you go back to my previous post, if EVERYTHING is predetermined, time travel would be impossible.

If that isn't clear enough, please leave this thread. The grown ups are discussing time travel and the reality of it. Not predetermined paradoxes.

[One_love_silvia]

considering predetermination, even if u somehow stop yourself from mass murdering 10 people in the future, if it truly is predetermined, those people will still die, that same day, at the same time. it may be of a different cause, or it may be someone else who will kill them. but if it is their fate to die that day, killing your past self would not prevent it from happening.

[Celli]

Well said. My only bit to pick is if one thing has a predestined fate, everything has a predestined fate. With a predestined fate, time travel could not be possible because even being "back in time" for a millisecond changes SOMETHING. And if that something was predetermined, you couldn't change it.

[One_love_silvia]

Well said. My only bit to pick is if one thing has a predestined fate, everything has a predestined fate. With a predestined fate, time travel could not be possible because even being "back in time" for a millisecond changes SOMETHING. And if that something was predetermined, you couldn't change it.

while i get what you're saying, it's incorrect.

it wouldn't make TIME TRAVEL impossible. it would make altering the past impossible. which would be the BEST possible scenario if time travel ever becomes a real thing. this would prevent anyone from traveling into the past and making things go a certain way that benefits them.

naturally, this would probably be a theory a religious person someone such as yourself would believe. because if everything WAS predetermined, there would have to be something, some law that is choosing to make things go that way. there would be no scientific evidence that could possibly explain predetermination. the only explanation would be, if there were in fact, a god.

as an atheist, i don't personally believe in the predetermination theory. i believe in the ripple effect theory. however, if predetermination ever is proven to be correct, then ill renounce myself as being an atheist. will i worship a god? no. but imo that would be evidence that a god exists.

[Celli]

Oh no no! I totally agree with you! Believe me, I DON'T believe in predetermination at all. However, orangevirus does. And so I was simply trying to explain to him why predetermination IS incorrect. Sorry, I didn't mean to lead you to believe I believed in it. Exactly the way you just said predetermination is incorrect is the exactly what I've been trying to convey

[OrangeVirus1]

Temporal paradox (also known as time paradox and time travel paradox) is a theoretical paradoxical situation that happens because of time travel. A time traveler goes to the past, and does something that would prevent him from time travel in the first place. If he does not go back in time, he does not do anything that would prevent his traveling to the past, so time travel would be possible for him. However, if he goes back in time and does something that would prevent the time travel, he will not go back in time. Thus each possibility seems to imply its own negation - a type of logical paradox.
A typical example of this kind is the grandfather paradox, where a person goes back in time to kill his grandfather before he had any biological descendant. If they succeed, one of their parents would never exist and they themselves would never exist either. This would make it impossible for them to go back in time in the first place, making them unable to kill their grandfather, who would continue to produce offspring and restart the situation. But if they fail, their grandfather would be alive and produce offspring, one of whom would eventually conceive the time traveler and the whole scenario would start over.

I don't believe in Predetermination or any of that crap.

I was just giving the example of the Definition of a god damn time travel paradox. but you guys think it's about "fate" and other such B.S no. it's a logical paradox.

Please explain to me, NOT in your OPINION, but explain to me as a theory or fact that Time travel paradox = Predetermination?

[Celli]

I'm starting to worry about you. You obviously haven't read a single thing any of us have typed.

[OrangeVirus1]

I read everything you guys said and you took what I said means predetermined fate. but it does NOT mean predetermined anything.

Inorder for it to be predetermined, I would have to be predetermined that I WOULD go back and kill myself, and never exist in the first place.


Go learn what a damn time travel paradox is how about that one. it has nothing to do with fate.


Please someone explain to me in an intelligent way how Me going back in time and killing myself = predetermined fate. how?
In order for that to make sense, My fate would be predetermined that i WOULD die as a baby NO MATTER WHAT the cause, So I would never even kill myself to begin with.

Predetermined fates can't have 100 different conclusions............... or it isn't predetermined

[Celli]

:bash:
K.


Onelove, you can have this one. I'm tired of this.

[OrangeVirus1]

lol. Good job just give up because you're wrong.

I mean at least Learn what predetermination means before you start throwing it around

[Celli]

:bash::bash:

[OrangeVirus1]

I bet you just watched looper or something and suddenly became a time travel genius

[Celli]

I bet you just watched looper or something and suddenly became a time travel genius

:bash::bash:

[OrangeVirus1]

:mephfawk::mephfawk::mephfawk::mephfawk::mephfawk: :bash::bash:

Let's see if I can explain logically. because Logic = truth. and whatever fantasies you create in your head is not logic.

Logically There is only 1 possible conclusions For time travel :
1. time travel is impossible. into the past or the future.

Let me explain how :
Time travel into the past is impossible because :
Example A: 65 million years ago, you are there, you traveled back in time for one day. december 1 whatever year. Now, This would mean that on december first of that year that you were there, your atomical structure was present at that point in time correct? and that since it is "the past" it is unchangable correct? since Inorder for it to be the correct "past" you would have had to have been there right? but how were you there at that point in time if your atomical mass had not been even "created" yet? Let's say the Exact Hydrogen atom inside the body of that dinosaur is the SAME Hydrogen atom inside your body? thus making it impossible.
Time travel into the future is also impossible because the Future has not happened yet. year 2020 you die. year 2021 your body breaks down, molecules and atoms are shifted, moved, resused etc. Year 2010 you travel 100 years into the future. One of your DEAD body hydrogen atoms is connected to another hydrogen atom and oxygen atom and floating around in a lake. Making travel impossible because that same Hydrogen atom cannot be in to different places and representing two different molecules at once.
There is only one Logically proven "time travel" into the future but it is not "traveling" at all, but mere slowling down time when approaching the speed of light.


Predetermination, First off anyone who believe's in predetermination is a fucking idiot in my opinion. The only "predetermined" thing in this universe is the Rules of the universe because they have no been proved to be able to be changed.

If you can't wrap this around your head, just carry on with your non logical fantasy thinking.

[Celli]

K.


:bash::bash::bash::bash:

You are a colossal waste of space in this thread.

[OrangeVirus1]

K.


:bash::bash::bash::bash:

You are a colossal waste of space in this thread.

hey if you can't understand it it's ok

[Celli]

hey if you can't understand it it's ok

Listen here bub. When you say ^this^ you sound like this:
Me: 2+2=4
You: no it equals 6
Me: seriously, it's 4 and this is why...insert mathematical proof
You: actually, that's wrong. It's still 6.
Me: :bash: I give up, you're obviously too stupid to understand
You: it's not your fault you can't math.


Meanwhile you think you're hot shit when all you're doing is feeding spam to your false ego. Learn to let go.

[OrangeVirus1]

Listen here bub. When you say ^this^ you sound like this:
Me: 2+2=4
You: no it equals 6
Me: seriously, it's 4 and this is why...insert mathematical proof
You: actually, that's wrong. It's still 6.
Me: :bash: I give up, you're obviously too stupid to understand
You: it's not your fault you can't math.


Meanwhile you think you're hot shit when all you're doing is feeding spam to your false ego. Learn to let go.

lol only thing I have posted is logical answers to time travel and everyone else started blowing up about it

I'm just saying if I'm so wrong then simply prove to me i'm so wrong

[Celli]

lol only thing I have posted is logical answers to time travel and everyone else started blowing up about it


Do you know why they did? Because your "logic" is not actually logic. Go back and read your posts on the first page. The way you "displayed" your "logic" gave you an awful first impression. No matter what you say, after page 1, no one will take you seriously.



numbers are a man made thing. we can make them do anything we want. hell I am sure there is a possible way to make 2+2 = 3.


There are things that make the speed of light seem slow
what they are.. no freaking clue, but they exist.
.

you can't go from ^that to "logic" and expect us to take you seriously.

[OrangeVirus1]

none of that has anything to do with Time travel paradoxes and Predetermined fate.

[feito]

Learn to let go.
^this.
seems like u have a problem with it. Your build thread would have been totally different if u knew how to let go and ignore whatever comments u didnt like. Seems like now you are calling names on everyone giving fingers and all, like you are trying to become a troll or something, well it doesnt work that way.
Oh btw, you dont have to reply to this post...

[Celli]

none of that has anything to do with Time travel paradoxes and Predetermined fate.

You can't be serious... Reread what I just posted. Then read it again.


^this.
seems like u have a problem with it. Your build thread would have been totally different if u knew how to let go and ignore whatever comments u didnt like. Seems like now you are calling names on everyone giving fingers and all, like you are trying to become a troll or something, well it doesnt work that way.
Oh btw, you dont have to reply to this post...

Oh and btw, I haven't pointed any fingers at anyone other than orangevirus. Read the whole thread and see where I have willingly accepted a counter argument. Read oranges previous posts and then come back. And "btw" you are trolling more than anyone considering nothing you posted has anything to do with time travel.

[OrangeVirus1]

You can't be serious... Reread what I just posted. Then read it again.




Oh and btw, I haven't pointed any fingers at anyone other than orangevirus. Read the whole thread and see where I have willingly accepted a counter argument. Read oranges previous posts and then come back. And "btw" you are trolling more than anyone considering nothing you posted has anything to do with time travel.

nothing I posted has anything to do with time travel?

only like the last 10 posts have to do with time travel..

I mean jesus "time travel paradox" is the simplest known thing about time travel..........

[Celli]

Dear OP, please read what you have missed.

Based on your previous posts, I respect your intellect in your thread. If you feel that orangevirus is right, and I am wrong, say so and I'll shut my mouth.

[turbobrick]

Technically neither of you are right since time travel has not been proven to be true. Until it is, any hypothesis is just as valid as the next when it comes to a subject like this.

also
qKqd27h7KjM

[Celli]

nothing I posted has anything to do with time travel?

only like the last 10 posts have to do with time travel..

I mean jesus "time travel paradox" is the simplest known thing about time travel..........

HOLY HELL YOU ARE INSUFFERABLY STUPID!

Pretend I walk into a meeting with then physicists. My opening statement is "numbers are man made, we can make 2+2=3" after they laugh at me, NOTHING else I say has credibility. Hell, if my next statement was "without gravity, our existence is impossible" they would still not take me seriously.

[Celli]

Technically neither of you are right since time travel has not been proven to be true. Until it is, any hypothesis is just as valid as the next when it comes to a subject like this.

also
qKqd27h7KjM

Actually, I'm not saying I'm right about time travel. I totally agree with the fact it hasn't Been proven to be true. And once again, I know what the time travel paradox is. My point is that it is illogical.

[Celli]

Oh. And btw, the simplest known thing about time travel is probably the fact that we can't do it(to our knowledge).

I would bet money that 9 out of 10 people you ask would say "we can't time travel" before they would say "time travel paradox".

[OrangeVirus1]

Oh. And btw, the simplest known thing about time travel is probably the fact that we can't do it(to our knowledge).

I would bet money that 9 out of 10 people you ask would say "we can't time travel" before they would say "time travel paradox".

...... this whole thing started when I brought up about what if I go back in time and kill myself. I was entertaining these peoples idea of time travel, and merely giving an ultimatum that you must be able to cross in order for your "time travel" to work.

and if you don't think numbers are man made you are completely foolish. We invented them. Yes 2+2 does not logically = 3, but There are ways around that.

I'm so stupid, but yet you still cannot give me one solid argument against anything I have said.

[One_love_silvia]

I read everything you guys said and you took what I said means predetermined fate. but it does NOT mean predetermined anything.

Inorder for it to be predetermined, I would have to be predetermined that I WOULD go back and kill myself, and never exist in the first place.


Go learn what a damn time travel paradox is how about that one. it has nothing to do with fate.


Please someone explain to me in an intelligent way how Me going back in time and killing myself = predetermined fate. how?
In order for that to make sense, My fate would be predetermined that i WOULD die as a baby NO MATTER WHAT the cause, So I would never even kill myself to begin with.

Predetermined fates can't have 100 different conclusions............... or it isn't predetermined

i hope i didn't make it seem like i believe in predetermination. i was just giving him an example of the proper way predetermination works. and i completely agree that your time paradox is correct, given the predetermination theory.

however, i don't think there would be any paradox if you use it in the multiple thread theory. in that theory, you'd just be killing another "you" that exists in a completely different time and space. that version of you would cease to exist, while you would continue to do so.

you guys need to take it to a pm though if you're going to throw out put downs and whatnot. that's only going to lead to the closing of this thread.

Besides that, the original argument of this thread was about traveling into the future, not past. Traveling into the future has already been proven theoretically possible. traveling to the past, has not.

[OrangeVirus1]

i hope i didn't make it seem like i believe in predetermination. i was just giving him an example of the proper way predetermination works. and i completely agree that your time paradox is correct, given the predetermination theory.

however, i don't think there would be any paradox if you use it in the multiple thread theory. in that theory, you'd just be killing another "you" that exists in a completely different time and space. that version of you would cease to exist, while you would continue to do so.

you guys need to take it to a pm though if you're going to throw out put downs and whatnot. that's only going to lead to the closing of this thread.

Besides that, the original argument of this thread was about traveling into the future, not past. Traveling into the future has already been proven theoretically possible. traveling to the past, has not.


See the thing with the multiple thread theory would mean you are not necessarily traveling to "the past" but rather a completely different reality all together.

and if you mean "time travel in to the future" as in slowing time down as you approach the speed of light, while everything around you still ages/decays at the same rate as you were before you approached near speed of light, then yes it's theoretically been proven. But I do not believe you can jump in and out of time like time travel makes you think.

[Celli]

It's time for me to depart from this thread. I came here hoping for a good discussion and hoping to learn something(which I still did), not to argue with a closed minded person.


Edit and final comment: the figures we have assigned to numbers are man made. Numbers themselves are not. Mathematical equations can be found in dozens of places in nature. We didn't just come up with "1.2.3" and coincidentally come up with all this math.

[One_love_silvia]

Technically neither of you are right since time travel has not been proven to be true. Until it is, any hypothesis is just as valid as the next when it comes to a subject like this.

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and this is exactly correct. nothing is true or false until proven so. obviously you can't include completely stupid shit in with that argument.

for example, u can say, "humans can turn super saiyans. we just havent learned how to control our powers yet".

sure, we have no proof that we CANT turn super saiyan. but it's just so completely asinine to even argue that.

[OrangeVirus1]

It's time for me to depart from this thread. I came here hoping for a good discussion and hoping to learn something(which I still did), not to argue with a closed minded person.

you are the only close minded person in this thread that can't accept simple logic

I mean it's like you think I invented this "time travel paradox"

No I didn't. scientists figured that out

[One_love_silvia]

See the thing with the multiple thread theory would mean you are not necessarily traveling to "the past" but rather a completely different reality all together.

and if you mean "time travel in to the future" as in slowing time down as you approach the speed of light, while everything around you still ages/decays at the same rate as you were before you approached near speed of light, then yes it's theoretically been proven. But I do not believe you can jump in and out of time like time travel makes you think.

that's where the multiple thread theory gets sticky though. technically, if u travel to the "past" and observe yourself doign what u were doing exactly at that time, and everything else in the world was the same, you're still traveling into the past. just into a different past where your present doesnt exists yet, as your present would be the past's future (getting confusing, i know).

you'd still be technically traveling into the past. just not the past in your own time and space continuum. that's why it's so hard to prove traveling to the past possible. there's just way too many unknown possible variables involved.

[OrangeVirus1]

that's where the multiple thread theory gets sticky though. technically, if u travel to the "past" and observe yourself doign what u were doing exactly at that time, and everything else in the world was the same, you're still traveling into the past. just into a different past where your present doesnt exists yet, as your present would be the past's future (getting confusing, i know).

you'd still be technically traveling into the past. just not the past in your own time and space continuum. that's why it's so hard to prove traveling to the past possible. there's just way too many unknown possible variables involved.

See but you would first have to prove that The "past" on these different realities would be the same past, in order to be traveling to the past. but you would still inevitably be traveling to a different reality regardless.

[BossHogg]

This is interesting shit. But from what I have observed in my short time here on Earth, is everything we think we know now is proved wrong in the future. What we have are ideas that seem to explain things up to a certain point, but then the math falls apart after that point. We don't know enough to even rationalize on how it works. I have to say I find my self thinking along the same lines as orangevirus.

Now how would me going back in time to kill myself as a baby make my current form mysteriously disappear? That would mean you have to have two sets of identical molecules, atoms whatever some how linked together because you have current "you" looking at "baby" you. Obviously two different beings of molecules/atoms whatever looking and interfering with each other. You can't be in two places at the same time or that means we all have an identical copy somewhere in the universe right now. Or killing yourself wouldn't be possible(unless one form took its "own" bodies life). Which is where this gets complicated. You would almost just erase your past from pursuing "it's" future (that you already lived) while you in your current form would still have those child hood memories that your now "dead" baby-self never got a chance to experience. You are essentially on a different time line i guess. You have already lived your past, went back and changed it, but your "killer" self would still be there, already have lived your own past. If that makes any sense at all lol. Discuss that idea please. The "killer" you would be the "original" you as you would have to wait for time travel to be invented in order to go back in time to get to the "old" you and kill your person in baby form.


EDIT* I guess what I'm saying is why would your current form disappear if you killed your baby form. Because if that was the case then you should of never lived in the first place to kill your own baby-self if you disappear, because you are "killing" the "killer" at the same time.

[One_love_silvia]

This is interesting shit. But from what I have observed in my short time here on Earth, is everything we think we know now is proved wrong in the future. What we have are ideas that seem to explain things up to a certain point, but then the math falls apart after that point. We don't know enough to even rationalize on how it works. I have to say I find my self thinking along the same lines as orangevirus.

Now how would me going back in time to kill myself as a baby make my current form mysteriously disappear? That would mean you have to have two sets of identical molecules, atoms whatever some how linked together because you have current "you" looking at "baby" you. Obviously two different beings of molecules/atoms whatever looking and interfering with each other. You can't be in two places at the same time or that means we all have an identical copy somewhere in the universe right now. Or killing yourself wouldn't be possible(unless one form took its "own" bodies life). Which is where this gets complicated. You would almost just erase your past from pursuing "it's" future (that you already lived) while you in your current form would still have those child hood memories that your now "dead" baby-self never got a chance to experience. You are essentially on a different time line i guess. You have already lived your past, went back and changed it, but your "killer" self would still be there, already have lived your own past. If that makes any sense at all lol. Discuss that idea please. The "killer" you would be the "original" you as you would have to wait for time travel to be invented in order to go back in time to get to the "old" you and kill your person in baby form.


EDIT* I guess what I'm saying is why would your current form disappear if you killed your baby form. Because if that was the case then you should of never lived in the first place to kill your own baby-self if you disappear, because you are "killing" the "killer" at the same time.
thats the time paradox orange was saying.

when u say that there would be another you, somewhere out in the vast universe in another time and dimension, thats the multiple threads theory. as i said before, the paradox doesnt work in that theory. it'd be the same as killing some other random person.

but let's ask the real question. who the hell would want to kill their past self? lmao

i can understand smacking some sense into yourself, but i cant imagine anyone wanting to kill their past self. especially if it doesn't benefit them in any shape or form.

[MikeisNissan]

I perceive time as reality. In death would time even exist. Do animals grasp the notion of time? It really is to me just a sense of knowing reality, grasping the idea of the physical realm. I believe humans are the only entities using the form. I also think that ufos are vessels used for time travelling. Future humans traveling back to better understand, maybe use advance technologies to survey and study events, decisions etc. first hand that they never could, millions of years ahead. The same reason we only see sightings and never contact because of the idea that personal interaction may cause drastic changes in the future. But say they could travel back. Could they travel forward? Would that be any use to them? Again if space is infinite then the possiblities are endless. Our minds, and imagination is the closest thing. I believe the mind is based on the complexity of space.

[StigMeister]

In order to time travel you have to essentially be able to bend time somewhere in the universe, so its a bit self centered to think we exist somewhere else in the universe, in a time millions of years in the future or even in the past. Other things are out there, who knows what they may be.
Our understanding of time, existence and the universe may just be a hypothesis in another.
Or maybe we seek the answers in the wrong places, maybe we have the answers here!
But that leads to one's faith, which is a whole 'nother story.
Nevertheless, the universe is vast. We are but a grain of sand on the shoreline.
Time travel is possible.

[BossHogg]

I perceive time as reality. In death would time even exist. Do animals grasp the notion of time? It really is to me just a sense of knowing reality, grasping the idea of the physical realm. I believe humans are the only entities using the form. I also think that ufos are vessels used for time travelling. Future humans traveling back to better understand, maybe use advance technologies to survey and study events, decisions etc. first hand that they never could, millions of years ahead. The same reason we only see sightings and never contact because of the idea that personal interaction may cause drastic changes in the future. But say they could travel back. Could they travel forward? Would that be any use to them? Again if space is infinite then the possiblities are endless. Our minds, and imagination is the closest thing. I believe the mind is based on the complexity of space.

lol I had that all written up to, then I deleted it to not get to far off topic. What if "aliens" are future humans genetically altered by our own selves that have traveled back in time lol. If you think about it, we as humans have made "aliens" out to be very human looking to an extent. (arms, legs, big head, two eyes, walk up right etc.) Now that is just pure humanizing (as I have never seen an alien lol) or they really look like that as explained by people who claim to have been "visited". But then again the human mind is so crazy that we often over think and come up with some crazy ass shit.

[BossHogg]

thats the time paradox orange was saying.

when u say that there would be another you, somewhere out in the vast universe in another time and dimension, thats the multiple threads theory. as i said before, the paradox doesnt work in that theory. it'd be the same as killing some other random person.

but let's ask the real question. who the hell would want to kill their past self? lmao

i can understand smacking some sense into yourself, but i cant imagine anyone wanting to kill their past self. especially if it doesn't benefit them in any shape or form.

dude welcome to humanity, there are some crazy people out there. I mean people kill themselves now.....why not travel back in time and kill yourself. "IF" you did disappear it would be a painless way to end yourself in the current form and make your "baby" self take the grunt of it. Humans are nuts....look at the society we have created for ourselves to live in. We F*&#ed.

[Celli]

:bash:


Bogghoss you do realize that even if you fucking CLONED yourself, you wouldn't have the exact molecular buildup. Fuck. Count to 1 nanosecond. Congradualtions! Your molecular buildup has changed. Holy fucking fuck you retards are so stupid. Are you even reading what you type? Or did your fucking cat walk across the keyboard and you decided to hit enter?!



I mean seriously. What the FUCK is wrong with you? Go back seventh grade. Learn what the hell a molecule is an what it does. Then go fuck yourself you stupid retards.

[OutlawLui]

:bash:


Bogghoss you do realize that even if you fucking CLONED yourself, you wouldn't have the exact molecular buildup. Fuck. Count to 1 nanosecond. Congradualtions! Your molecular buildup has changed. Holy fucking fuck you retards are so stupid. Are you even reading what you type? Or did your fucking cat walk across the keyboard and you decided to hit enter?!



I mean seriously. What the FUCK is wrong with you? Go back seventh grade. Learn what the hell a molecule is an what it does. Then go fuck yourself you stupid retards.

:hide:



MSGLLLLLLLLLLLL

[OrangeVirus1]

:bash:


Bogghoss you do realize that even if you fucking CLONED yourself, you wouldn't have the exact molecular buildup. Fuck. Count to 1 nanosecond. Congradualtions! Your molecular buildup has changed. Holy fucking fuck you retards are so stupid. Are you even reading what you type? Or did your fucking cat walk across the keyboard and you decided to hit enter?!



I mean seriously. What the FUCK is wrong with you? Go back seventh grade. Learn what the hell a molecule is an what it does. Then go fuck yourself you stupid retards.

you're really the only retard that can't understand whats going on.. Just leave the thread and come back when you understand what a paradox is dude. it's really sad you have to resort to childish language because you can't cope.

[One_love_silvia]

I perceive time as reality. In death would time even exist. Do animals grasp the notion of time? It really is to me just a sense of knowing reality, grasping the idea of the physical realm. I believe humans are the only entities using the form. I also think that ufos are vessels used for time travelling. Future humans traveling back to better understand, maybe use advance technologies to survey and study events, decisions etc. first hand that they never could, millions of years ahead. The same reason we only see sightings and never contact because of the idea that personal interaction may cause drastic changes in the future. But say they could travel back. Could they travel forward? Would that be any use to them? Again if space is infinite then the possiblities are endless. Our minds, and imagination is the closest thing. I believe the mind is based on the complexity of space.
that's actually a really interesting way to look at ufo's. never thought of it like that. and it could be completely true.
though im not too sure about them genetically altering themselves lol. that brings up whole other possibilities though.

dude welcome to humanity, there are some crazy people out there. I mean people kill themselves now.....why not travel back in time and kill yourself. "IF" you did disappear it would be a painless way to end yourself in the current form and make your "baby" self take the grunt of it. Humans are nuts....look at the society we have created for ourselves to live in. We F*&#ed.

touché haha

[Celli]

you're really the only retard that can't understand whats going on.. Just leave the thread and come back when you understand what a paradox is dude. it's really sad you have to resort to childish language because you can't cope.

.............wtf are you even saying? I'm actually QUITE positive I know what a paradox is. But I'm also QUITE positive you don't have the first clue about what you're talking about. And I sure hope your children aren't using what you call "childish language". And that's language I resort to by default when it becomes apparent it is impossible to tell a retard he is a retard because he doesn't realize how retarded he is.

[Celli]

Thanks Obama.

[godsmack]

Celli you need to take some meds and lay down for a bit. This is a discussion about theories. All of the theories that I have read make their own good points. Now back on subject.

Think about this. How can you really time travel if when you travel "back in time" or "into the future" you're still not traveling outside of time. You would still be affected by time just as though you never left where you were to start with. Such as you would still be aging. That is why I would say it is impossible because you would have to bend time around you in a way not to affect you while traveling and that is impossible with our technology. Sure they say it is proven but is it really? I think that it's still a theory with a big mathmatical equation after it but it still hasn't been proven to actually work to travel further into time.

[Celli]

Sorry! I forgot that 2+2=3

[godsmack]

It could in another dimension. The concept would still be correct as 2+2=4 but they would right it out as 2+2=3. That's pretty much what he was saying.

[Celli]

Hooooleeeeeeyyyyshiiiiiit. You are as stupid as the rest of them.

[godsmack]

Ok educate me on why i'm stupid. I was just trying to understand what he meant by the 2+2=3 and with how man made numbers the concept and actual meaning of the 3 and 4 are just reversed. So 3 would actually be 4 as what he was saying. As in the way we write it.

[Celli]

:bash::bash:

[godsmack]

Alright stop being such a retard now. Guess you are a very close minded person. Maybe you should put that gif into actual practice. And I'd have to say you should probably stop killing this thread with your inability to actually debate at all. "No it's this way and that's final you retards rawr rawr rawr"

[OrangeVirus1]

:bash::bash:

Just leave Celli. You obviously have no concept of anything. and you resort to angry profane language when you can't figure stuff out.

[One_love_silvia]

Just leave Celli. You obviously have no concept of anything. and you resort to angry profane language when you can't figure stuff out.

I'm going to have to agree with these guys Celli. We had a good conversation going at first, but all you've been doing recently is bashing people, and it's putting the thread down.

[ayuaddict]

what the fuck is wrong with Celli?

[Matej]

what the fuck is wrong with Celli?
Possibly a traumatic time travel experience.


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[driftracerx]

deep man real deep

[HIGHFIVEBETA]

Temporal paradox (also known as time paradox and time travel paradox) is a theoretical paradoxical situation that happens because of time travel. A time traveler goes to the past, and does something that would prevent him from time travel in the first place. If he does not go back in time, he does not do anything that would prevent his traveling to the past, so time travel would be possible for him. However, if he goes back in time and does something that would prevent the time travel, he will not go back in time. Thus each possibility seems to imply its own negation - a type of logical paradox.
A typical example of this kind is the grandfather paradox, where a person goes back in time to kill his grandfather before he had any biological descendant. If they succeed, one of their parents would never exist and they themselves would never exist either. This would make it impossible for them to go back in time in the first place, making them unable to kill their grandfather, who would continue to produce offspring and restart the situation. But if they fail, their grandfather would be alive and produce offspring, one of whom would eventually conceive the time traveler and the whole scenario would start over.

I don't believe in Predetermination or any of that crap.

I was just giving the example of the Definition of a god damn time travel paradox. but you guys think it's about "fate" and other such B.S no. it's a logical paradox.

Please explain to me, NOT in your OPINION, but explain to me as a theory or fact that Time travel paradox = Predetermination?

This reminded me of the movie the Time Traveler where he goes back in time to save his damsel but she dies by other means either way.