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[jvsc91talon]

Even if i was being this "bad" person as you say i am, these are MY opinions and should no way implicate you or anyone else. Nor have i attacked anyone personally, i am mocking the IDEA about a god, i am insulting god. If i come off as arrogant, than so be it. I am me, and you are you. Just cause we agree on 1 thing, doesnt mean we agree on all things. And yes i DO have a right to state my opinion even if someone gets offended. The people i attack are the ones who commit these atrocities in the name of their religion. I also proudly attack those who poison childrens minds and deny them proper education, who tell children they will spend in eternity in hell, who try to impose their beliefs and morality on others, who tell aids victims that they are in the shape they are in because they are sinners, who try to poison my children's minds, people who are hypocritical about tolerance of their beliefs and not of anyone else, who compromise medical science research, people who give similar weight to superstition as they do to science, people who hack away at their childrens genitals especially in little girls, i can go on and on and on... Those are the type of things YOU SHOULD be offended by and the type of people who DESERVE to be attacked and mocked.

[kingkilburn]

Whether it's right or wrong when people see one person of a certain ideology they assume all others are the same. All conservatives are religious neocons, all liberals protest in trees, and atheists are arrogant know it alls that bash religion.

You might not claim to be the representative of atheism but remember that you will be many peoples first and lasting impression of all atheists.

[jvsc91talon]

See but that doesnt bother me... Are you saying that you disagree with any of the statements i have made? Show me 1 that shouldnt have been made. You just claim i have shitty arguments but failed to point out why. But besides that, us nonbelievers need to stick together and remember that they are the enemy and not each other.

[RedTopKA-T]

ive been telling people this shit for years now. Religion has caused more harm and seperation among people than good. If you wanna believe in some all-powerful being creating the known universe, fine. But you shouldnt live your life by some book or what a group of people say.

^^^ amen!!

[kingkilburn]

I'll put it this way.
Would you rather show people the error of their ways and invite them to think free of dogma or attack them for believing what they do, likely driving them further into dogma?

[RedTopKA-T]

I say its your life live it how ever you want to and forget what everyone else says or thinks!

People spend too much time worried about someone else's problems or beliefs, just worry about you and yours that's it!

[slowvia]

" religion does not cause war; Man causes war when he decides that his religion is right and his neighbor's is wrong." THEY ARE FIGHTING OVER THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS!!!! how is religion not the culprit??? Man didnt decide, his book told told him everyone else is wrong.
us nonbelievers need to stick together and remember that they are the enemy and not each other.

This is how religious war begins. So no, religion itself does not advocate war. War is created by men who decide that other people are wrong, and their differences are unreconcilable, so they must fight. Much like people are fighting with their words in here.



And i too agree that everyone has a right to believe whatever they want, no matter how crazy it is. I too would also defend anyone to have the right to their own beliefs. But those beliefs should NEVER be forced on someone else

us nonbelievers need to stick together and remember that they are the enemy

Looks like your opposed to everyone, including yourself.

[Phlip]

This is how religious war begins. So no, religion itself does not advocate war. War is created by men who decide that other people are wrong, and their differences are unreconcilable, so they must fight. Much like people are fighting with their words in here.







Looks like your opposed to everyone, including yourself.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner.
[Note: slowvia, I agree with you]

The very suggestion that religious people are wrong for exciting their like-minded bases to chant down those who do not believe what they do only to turn and THEN say that NON believers should stick together and chant down those who believe instead of simply exercising one's right to sentience (and, with it, indifference) and leaving the conversation reeks of megalomania and hypocrisy.
Kinda like bogging down a thread like this one with "THERE IS NO GOD!!!" conversation, instead of simply passing it over because the topic is of no concern to you.

[jvsc91talon]

hahaha ok guy, sticking together because there arent that many of us and its true that many of the people who feel like us are afraid to "come out" is not in any way condoning or exciting war, and especially not religious war....lol And yes, people who think and believe as i have stated ARE the enemy, they are the enemy of reason, free thought, human progression, and inevitably of humanity itself. If you cant see how the conflict in the middle east that is solely about religion will sooner or later involve us than you have your head up your ass. Would you like sharia law passed in this country??? Me either, and that is something I WOULD fight for. Allah doesnt rule over me and neither does the christian god(i know they are the same) or any god for that matter.

[Corbic]

Corbic please define religion for us.

Here, I'll help you out.
The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods.

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Did you get that from Encyelpdia: OutYerAss?

Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that establishes symbols that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values.[1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, traditions and sacred histories that are intended to give meaning to life or to explain the origin of life or the universe. They tend to derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle from their ideas about the cosmos and human nature.

Atheism fits that bill. Its embracement of science as the answer to all of life's questions and needs and rejection of anything that appears "supernatural" or unexplainable.

[Corbic]

Stupid Meme

Grand School Science teaches the foundation of the Scientific Theory. The example they always use is - if you go in to the park, and you see no birds, can you scientifically determine there are no birds in the park?

The answer is No.

So it is Scientifically more correct to say "There maybe a God, I just can't prove it" than it is to say "There is no God unless you can prove it".

[Corbic]

You are most definitely wrong sir.

If so, you have failed to present a single valid argument to that fact. You start off with a personal attack and begin dribbling your same BS rhetoric.

People who are atheist dont hack away at children's genitals. People who are atheist dont fly planes into buildings because they are atheist...etc These things would NOT be happening if they didnt think they were doing "god's will."

Oh, really? War would cease to exist without religion? Did the Virginia Tech shooter kill all those people in a suicide mission in the name of God, what about the two kids at Columbine? The 15,000 people murdered by Drug Cartels in Mexico - is that the work of fanatic Catholics as well?

Genital Mutilation? Besides a few fucked up tribes in third world countries - where does this happen? Ever think that female circumcision has more to do with cultural and social controls than "religion". You really need to read up on the history of women's rights and historical oppression. Here is a hint - "that better be my fucking kid I'm raising".

Or are you talking about Male Circumcision, which has just as much, if not more to do with hygiene. (Much like not eating pork, shell-fish, or carrion; which if not cooked properly can cause all sorts of illnesses). Head on over to a forth grade Sex-Ed class or the Department of Health to learn more about the benefits of male circumcision. I'm sure you are just mad mommy and daddy decided to give you a purple mushroom instead of a elephant truck like the cool kids in the locker room.

And once again, only a few religions practice this. Why are you blaming Buddhists in China for what Protestants in Vermont maybe doing? You being an ignorant cry baby.

My fear is about the people who do have an afterlife fairytale and cant wait for the end times, these people are also the ones who have the power to start a nuclear war.

Really? Ever heard of North Korea or China? Both are officially Atheists. You don't have to be an Atheist to be suicidal, unstable or willing to die for your beliefs. As i previously laid out for you, on a 5th grade level, there are more factors to events like 9/11 than religion. You just refuse to recognize that because that single event for you, as well as your parents trimming your fun-stick is your justification to hate religion.

"the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods." Atheism has no set of beliefs. Im sorry but you are misinformed. And did i read you right? You imply that the Crusades was a GOOD thing??? You have a misguided view of history.

Once again - I'd love to see the source of that Definition. Last time I checked, neither Buddhism and Shintoism involve anything in the form of God or Gods or superhuman beings controlling or creating destiny.

The Crusades where a good thing - For Europe. Maybe you should open a book once in a while, or even just watch a documentary. Just like Alexander bumping off the Persans was a fantastic thing for Western Civilization - sucked to be the Persans however.

You say I'm wrong, but offer no counter evidence of it. You refuse to consider Geo-Political events, human nature and sociology as primary driving factors in the "Evils of Religion". You also refuse to take into account dangers of Social Darwinism.


Lastly, you openly admit that you are ignorant to the history of religion and the thousands of various religions that exist in the world.


To you, Religion = Catholicism, which only accounts for 16% of the world.

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[BarrigaS14]

Did you get that from Encyelpdia: OutYerAss?



Atheism fits that bill. Its embracement of science as the answer to all of life's questions and needs and rejection of anything that appears "supernatural" or unexplainable.

Science doesn't reject something that looks or appears supernatural. It rejects data that can not be replicated by other scientists. But, for the most part it tries to answer the natural world and what is in it. Is there stuff it can't do? Of course, it has not reached that point.

Remember, not to long ago, we had no idea why volcanoes erupted or that that there are tectonic plates underneath our feet.

Anyways, many do believe that even though many reasons were brought for the why a country/civilization went to war, one main contributing factor has been religion. If one says they are Muslim and believe that killing another in a world that is considered godless will bring them every lasting peace, then they are using religion to kill another.

Same goes with a Christian killing an abortion doctor. It is their belief that drove them to it. People have used religion as a reason to kill others of different religions because they don't get along with them, in such simple wording.

[Corbic]

Anyways, many do believe that even though many reasons were brought for the why a country/civilization went to war, one main contributing factor has been religion. If one says they are Muslim and believe that killing another in a world that is considered godless will bring them every lasting peace, then they are using religion to kill another.

What if i want to kill you because you are a Communist? Is that ok? Once again, Muslims, Jews and Christians worship the same god. The issue is how they perceive the world should work, society should run and the proper order of things.

Muslims feel women should practice modesty and are against drinking alcohol. Christians feel girls can run around in mini-skirts while letting frat boys do body shots off them at the bar.

Do you think these two minds sets would vanish in the absents of the belief in god and the human spirt?

Most ancient pagan religions did not believe in some fucking paradise of an afterlife. The reward was this life. Guess what, the barbarism and sheer callousness towards fellow man back then pales in comparison to today's civilized world.

Would an Atheist support slavery?


Same goes with a Christian killing an abortion doctor. It is their belief that drove them to it. People have used religion as a reason to kill others of different religions because they don't get along with them, in such simple wording.


So Atheist feel abortion is correct? Do Atheist support termination of the mentally ill, handicap or infertile? They serve no purpose after all.

[kingkilburn]

I almost don't feel like responding at this point. :/

Hitchens Razor isn't a meme. It is logic. If you assert there is a god with no proof beyond your faith I need not have any evidence to disprove a god's existence.

Walking into a park and not seeing any birds has proven that there are no birds in your sight not that there are no birds to be found.


I'm sorry but to claim that violence isn't committed in the name of religion is just stupid. How many Jews in the last 100 years have been killed by Christians and Muslims? How many people were killed in the name of God during the dark ages? How many people have died in the last 70 years in the name of Ala? How many deaths in Ireland can you attribute to the fighting between Catholics and Protestants? How many "others" have stupid fucking backwards assed Americans and Canadians killed because their narrow view of Christianity didn't jive with the person standing in front of them? How many millions have died in the fighting between the hindu and muslim in and around India? How many peoples were subjugated and trampled into the ground under Catholic supervision?
I'm not at all saying that violence would go away without religion but fucking own up to the reality of the world.

[kingkilburn]

And stop trying to claim moral bullshit connections with atheism. I don't need some book to tell me how to be a decent man and I damn sure don't need the threat of eternal fire or the reward of paradise to do it.

So we are clear, the bible condones both slavery and abortion.

[BarrigaS14]

What if i want to kill you because you are a Communist? Is that ok? Once again, Muslims, Jews and Christians worship the same god. The issue is how they perceive the world should work, society should run and the proper order of things.

Nations go to war outside of Religion as well. I never stated that Religion was the only reason, but it is a large factor in many battles/wars throughout history. Yes, the big three pray to a god which is similar, but the people who saw or interpreted are the key differences. Moses, Muhammad and Jesus (and then all the followers). Each one believes they are in the correct because of the interpretations that are given. Some will die for those interpretations and to them they are correct. We may look at them and say, wow they are wrong, but they believed and read the same thing you could read and saw it differently. That is why some nations can go to war basing it on what they believe.

Muslims feel women should practice modesty and are against drinking alcohol. Christians feel girls can run around in mini-skirts while letting frat boys do body shots off them at the bar.


Because of this different thought process, a Muslim would kill themself and "non-believers" with their mind set that they are doing the right thing. Are they any less Muslim than someone who doesn't do it? No. It is their belief system, not anyone else's.

Do you think these two minds sets would vanish in the absents of the belief in god and the human spirt?

No, I think that no matter what you believe in, there will always be two different mindsets. Look at the theory of how the universe was created, there are several different thought processes on it. People banter on about which one is right. But the issue right now is that we don't have the technology to figure it all out. I really believe we will, unless we wind up killing the entire planet. But it takes time, but people want answers now, which religion is an easy fill in the gap.

The thing about science though, is once it is repeated countless times and more evidence is shown, then it becomes Theory (Evolution) and in some cases Law (gravity). But, there has yet to be a civilization that has based it's entire foundation on technology. Even if there was one, there would still be armed conflict, we are just too stupid to really get past that...if that is the point you were making.

Most ancient pagan religions did not believe in some fucking paradise of an afterlife. The reward was this life. Guess what, the barbarism and sheer callousness towards fellow man back then pales in comparison to today's civilized world.

I would tend to disagree. I think most ancient "pagen" (however you are using that word) had an afterlife of some sort. Almost all religions at one point or another had the ability to move up or on or into another realm.

Would an Atheist support slavery?

I am not sure. I would like to say no, but again, that is something I could not say as a culture. I would be against it since being human is being human. And treating someone as a human should be the same regardless of where or how someone looks.

But we know that religion will condone slavery if given the option.


So Atheist feel abortion is correct?

As an Atheist, I feel abortion is non of my business. It is a choice between a woman, doctor and whoever she wants to know of what is going on. It has no effect on my life and should not be made public policy nor outcry. It's the same as drinking a beer. It doesn't effect anyone, unless I go out driving drunk and kill someone.

Do Atheist support termination of the mentally ill, handicap or infertile? They serve no purpose after all.

Not sure why you would ask this? If someone is born mentally ill, handicapped or infertile that is unfortunate. But they are alive and as such, are given every chance to be what they can be.

I think you are trying to get at that without religion there would be no morals, no code of conduct. Which in turn I find incorrect. Humans have gotten along with each other for thousands of years. The Code of Hammurabi supports the idea that one can make laws governing humans without people going around killing others who are different.

To me, religion is just another way of separating each other and in the case of the US, making stupid laws that do nothing but support ones beliefs when it should not be as such.

If you have a religious belief, good, keep it to yourself or family. Don't enforce it on the general populous.

[prowess]

religion is a mental disease.


it's the 21st century, time to let go of the bronze age myths and see the whole picture.

[Corbic]

religion is a mental disease.


it's the 21st century, time to let go of the bronze age myths and see the whole picture.

I'd argue that Atheism is a mental disease. It goes against human nature.

[Corbic]

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No, I think that no matter what you believe in, there will always be two different mindsets.

To me, religion is just another way of separating each other and in the case of the US, making stupid laws that do nothing but support ones beliefs when it should not be as such.

If you have a religious belief, good, keep it to yourself or family. Don't enforce it on the general populous.

You contra dict your self with these statements.

If I, and all my friends feel we should be aloud to have wild sex orgies in the Walmart parking lot... should we be aloud? According to you there is no God saying it is wrong, there is no afterlife or final judgment to determine if we are bad people for that.

So if my entire town feels Walmart orgies are cool, and we then make it legal... is it ok? What if you don't like that? Would you then be all made "Science Damn Walgies past that stupid law and now I can't take my kids to Walmart anymore"


Would you then get with the Non-Walgies and start debating with us? Would it come to blows? Would we kill each other?

As I have continually highlighted for you, Religion is as much a reflection of culture as Culture is the reflection of Religion. And Culture is the essence of Humanity.


Yes, there are Suicide Bombers - and great, your ignorant and want to think that the Billion Muslims in the world are actively trying to strap bombs to their chests. But you need to look at each bomber and understand - why did he do it. As I already told you, 99% of them time they are 3rd, 4th born sons with nothing going for them. Their brought in by others and convinced that "yes, this world sucks, but the next will be better - in fact you'll be a hero, for the first time you're life will mater and we'll take care of your family once your gone".

Kamikaze pilots in WWII did not believe they where going to the afterlife. They in facto did not believe they would be spreading the world of Japan.


You have a very narrow-minded, bigamist view of the world.

[kingkilburn]

Nice side step of my posts.

[Corbic]

Nice side step of my posts.

Once again, you simplify issues to much.

You say, Muslims vs Christians - the issue between them is not "does God Exist" an what not, hell the Koran and Bible read almost identically.

The difference is in the interpretation of how to live and how society should be shaped.

Even if everyone converted to Atheism, the argument of "how one should live ones life and how should our society operate" would continue to exist.

Islam represents traditional family values and roles of Women. (As in 1300 AD)

Christianity represents a post computer age society of blurred roles, values and a desire to "tear down previous beliefs and values for the sake of being progressive, edgy and modern".

Pick any war or conflict and if you spend 15 minutes diving into the back history and events you will quicly realise its more than To Eat Cow or Pig in the name of God.

[kingkilburn]

Ugh. Spin spin spin.

[kingkilburn]

Exactly why I didn't want to respond.

[feito]

i find it really strange that people still believe in gods nowadays, i wonder if within a couple of civilizations people will look at us as we look at ancient civilizations regarding their gods... Some crazy n weak creatures we are

[kingkilburn]

We currently look at those that worship the god of Abraham in that light. Why should this god have anymore credibility than any before or since?

[Corbic]

We currently look at those that worship the god of Abraham in that light. Why should this god have anymore credibility than any before or since?

You realize that only half of the world worships a creator god.

Jesus Christ, you guys are fucking dense.

[kingkilburn]

Please explain how I am dense. I don't give a shit what you call your god or what you claim it/he/she does, it's all the same fairytale.


Do you really think I'm stupid enough to think the whole fucking planet reads the damn bible? China and India are half the people on the planet and their judeo-christian population is like 3% of the total if that and their Muslim population isn't much either.

[kingkilburn]

It's right back to the same shit. Don't read the response, change argument, shit talk.


You have yet to really address the point about religious violence.

Fuck you and good night.

[BarrigaS14]

You contra dict your self with these statements.

If I, and all my friends feel we should be aloud to have wild sex orgies in the Walmart parking lot... should we be aloud? According to you there is no God saying it is wrong, there is no afterlife or final judgment to determine if we are bad people for that.

So if my entire town feels Walmart orgies are cool, and we then make it legal... is it ok? What if you don't like that? Would you then be all made "Science Damn Walgies past that stupid law and now I can't take my kids to Walmart anymore"


Would you then get with the Non-Walgies and start debating with us? Would it come to blows? Would we kill each other?

As I have continually highlighted for you, Religion is as much a reflection of culture as Culture is the reflection of Religion. And Culture is the essence of Humanity.


Yes, there are Suicide Bombers - and great, your ignorant and want to think that the Billion Muslims in the world are actively trying to strap bombs to their chests. But you need to look at each bomber and understand - why did he do it. As I already told you, 99% of them time they are 3rd, 4th born sons with nothing going for them. Their brought in by others and convinced that "yes, this world sucks, but the next will be better - in fact you'll be a hero, for the first time you're life will mater and we'll take care of your family once your gone".

Kamikaze pilots in WWII did not believe they where going to the afterlife. They in facto did not believe they would be spreading the world of Japan.


You have a very narrow-minded, bigamist view of the world.


And here, at this point is when you have become irrelevent in this conversation. I tried to be civil with you, but I guess people like yourself can not have a conversation about differeing beliefs.

Point be, never once did I say ALL Muslims want to kill themselves or others. Hell you don't even know exactly what I think of Muslims in general. Where exactly did I say that, please point it out.

In fact, just like reading a book, you took what you wanted to hear and used that. What I said was that someone who believes in a certain god (Muslim for instance and ONLY as a reference point) uses that faith to strap a bomb to them and blow themselves up. Funny how you completely ignored the Christian guy who went out and killed a abortion doctor for the very same reasoning. How about the Christian mother who saw the devil in her kids and killed them all?

You can try to blame social economic or whatever else you want to believe. When they do it in the name of religion, it is religion that is the driving point. If someone killed themselves and others because they didn't believe in evolution and were brought up poor, you would say "see, atheism kills other people."

And if people as a whole find orgies in a park or lot to be acceptable, they are grown adults and can do whatever they want to do. It doesn't effect me what so ever. But we have enacted laws, not based on religion, but just plain old common sense. Just because I don't believe in an after life or some spaghetti monster in the air, doesn't mean I have a moral compass. If you need a book to tell you how to act, you are a weak minded and probably would strap a bomb to your chest.

[BarrigaS14]

Once again, you simplify issues to much.

You say, Muslims vs Christians - the issue between them is not "does God Exist" an what not, hell the Koran and Bible read almost identically.

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1) No they don't.

2) Oversimplify? Coming from the person that wants to say god created everything, done. Isn't that too simple.

[BarrigaS14]

Kamikaze pilots in WWII did not believe they where going to the afterlife. They in facto did not believe they would be spreading the world of Japan.



Most Japanese are either Shinto or Buddhist. Kamikaze's were probably more State Shinto than anything since Buddhist main tenant is not to kill another...or anything at all.

But Shinto's have a afterlife as well. They believed they were dying for their family, country and emperor who was divine. The men who would die in these raids would be honored by the emperor a couple times a year.

[redline racer510]

1) No they don't.

2) Oversimplify? Coming from the person that wants to say god created everything, done. Isn't that too simple.

God not existing is too simple, matter doesn't just come into existence and the laws of physics had to have had a start somewhere(science will never be able to answer these fundamentally). Since you have such complex logic, have you read the Qur'an to a point were you can make a educated decision on if it is truly allowed to commit suicide, I really doubt it. Like I said before your personal opinion of someone because of his/her actions are dismissed unless there is evidence to support they did it for the sake of religion with the religion agreeing with the actions committed. Just because someone kills themselves and others for the sake of a religion doesn't make them any more christian,Muslim etc. than an atheist is.

[kingkilburn]

Says you and the opinion you pulled from your ass.




I love that you still claim to be the authority on other peoples religious affiliations. lol

[Corbic]

Says you and the opinion you pulled from your ass.




I love that you still claim to be the authority on other peoples religious affiliations. lol

And you are not?

"The difference between heresy and treachery is ignorance."

[Corbic]

. Just because I don't believe in an after life or some spaghetti monster in the air, doesn't mean I have a moral compass. If you need a book to tell you how to act, you are a weak minded and probably would strap a bomb to your chest.

Morals are not genetically inherent, they are taught.

This is why cultures and what is perceived as morally acceptable very greatly.

Whether you accept it or not, you live in a Christian society and you hold modern Christian morals. You are what you hate.

You are also pissed that people would use a 2,000 year old book as a moral compass. It's a collection of moral stories and tales that go back to before the written word, the birth of civilization. To you this is ignorant and stupid.

However, you think we should live life by what 60 out of 100 corrupt power hungry bureaucrats mange to agree upon and write down into their own book - law books.

So you find nothing wrong with hanging homosexuals? Apparently Irans law makers feel it's fine. Would you accept populous vote? Most Americans appose gay marriage, so we pass a law banning it, thus that's logical and legal. We must abide.

I think you and the atheists are the weak minded. You reject the notion that the moral decision you make in life have greater consequences and are fearful that judgment may wait you. Rather than pondering the deeper spiritual nature of humanity you toss your hands up and yell "it don't exist". You are content to believe that you are the center of the universe and all that maters. There is no reason to exist other than to reproduce to continue to exist. Brilliant!

[ManoNegra]

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[BarrigaS14]

existing is too simple, matter doesn't just come into existence and the laws of physics had to have had a start somewhere(science will never be able to answer these fundamentally).

There was a point when people thought Volcanos and Earthquakes and powerful storms were all from the gods/god. They didn't have comprehension of science and fundenmental laws of nature. We do now. Our capacity to know right now where it all comes from is limited, but that does not mean we will one day get there, unless we wind up killing each other.

Hell viruses were beyond our reach. Cancer was beyond our reach. Plate tectonics was beyond our reach. The telephone was beyond our reach. Atomic theory was beyond our reach. Going to the moon was beyond our reach. Going 100mph was beyond our reach.

And guess what, we reached those.

Since you have such complex logic, have you read the Qur'an to a point were you can make a educated decision on if it is truly allowed to commit suicide, I really doubt it. Like I said before your personal opinion of someone because of his/her actions are dismissed unless there is evidence to support they did it for the sake of religion with the religion agreeing with the actions committed. Just because someone kills themselves and others for the sake of a religion doesn't make them any more christian,Muslim etc. than an atheist is

Again, another person who reads what they want to read. I never said that someone killing another in the name of a religion is greater than anyone in that same religion, i.e. Islam or Christian. What I was saying (and I will write this very clear so that a someone of your educational level will understand) is that anyone who does it in the name of their religion is no less religious or WRONG than the person who chooses a different path. Two people can read the exact same thing and come to two different conclusions. I.e. killing one self and others or being peaceful.

And please, don't assume I haven't read something.
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[BarrigaS14]

Morals are not genetically inherent, they are taught.

This is why cultures and what is perceived as morally acceptable very greatly.

Correct, your point being?

Whether you accept it or not, you live in a Christian society and you hold modern Christian morals. You are what you hate.

Actually, a lot of the "christian morals" were founded on different laws and dogma eons prior to "christian morals being written down.

You are also pissed that people would use a 2,000 year old book as a moral compass. It's a collection of moral stories and tales that go back to before the written word, the birth of civilization. To you this is ignorant and stupid.


No it isn't. The written word was before Christianity was ever thought of. Look at the Egyptians and Greeks. Their word was LONG before Christianity ever was around. Look at the civilizations in China. LONG before Christianity.

However, you think we should live life by what 60 out of 100 corrupt power hungry bureaucrats mange to agree upon and write down into their own book - law books.

So you are saying that what man writes in a book are corrupt and power hungry? Hmmmm....

So you find nothing wrong with hanging homosexuals? Apparently Irans law makers feel it's fine. Would you accept populous vote? Most Americans appose gay marriage, so we pass a law banning it, thus that's logical and legal. We must abide.

I do find that wrong? Why do you think I have no sense of life when it comes to humans? Because I reject a god it is I reject life? You need to start thinking rather than reacting. I can only control what happens in this country, if you want to go to Iran and make changes, go and do it. But I will not like what other countries will do, but I have bigger issues with my current country before I can do anything about other countries. They are adults, they can live with their actions.

See the difference is that it infringes on human rights as it pertains to the Constitution. If the government gives out benefits for certain things, then they must be given to ALL people regardless of race, sex, sexual orientation. Hell at one point women couldn't vote. African Americans were not full citizens until the 60's and Christians support that ideology.

I think you and the atheists are the weak minded. You reject the notion that the moral decision you make in life have greater consequences and are fearful that judgment may wait you. Rather than pondering the deeper spiritual nature of humanity you toss your hands up and yell "it don't exist". You are content to believe that you are the center of the universe and all that maters. There is no reason to exist other than to reproduce to continue to exist. Brilliant!

Actually, I don't think I am the center of the universe. I think that I should be a good citizen, family member, friend, lover, supporter of what I think is right and fight for it. The reason I exist is because my parents wanted a child and I am here. This is my only shot at life and I am going to make it a good one. So if rejecting the "norm" is weak minded, what is pandering to the "norm?" A big soggy douche? I get the feeling you think you are the center of the world and everyone must believe in what you believe. I don't think that way. If people want to believe in a religion, go ahead, it's not my life. Don't make public policy and laws about it that effect millions of others. Your belief system is different from the person in the church seat next to you. Policy should not be about what a person can and can't do when it comes to their life choices that effect their lives.

[mantas]

Word! Dont force your religion on me i wont force my atheist beliefs on you. I have seen a ghost once and it made me think there has to be an afterlife but i cant get a clear explanasion from religious folks as to what that is so i still believe when its over we simply go blank like a hardrive of a computer. Stopped for all eternity...

[slydin240sx]

This thread is dumb as fuck!

I believe in god. wah wah wah

I don't believe in god. wah wah wah

I don't know what the fuck to believe. wah wah wah

I'm this religion, or I'm that religion, or I am of no religion.

People are gonna believe what they want to believe. Arguing about it is dumb.

[Phlip]

This thread is dumb as fuck!

I believe in god. wah wah wah

I don't believe in god. wah wah wah

I don't know what the fuck to believe. wah wah wah

I'm this religion, or I'm that religion, or I am of no religion.

People are gonna believe what they want to believe. Arguing about it is dumb.

The funniest part is that the thread was never about that to begin with.
But...
as usual, someone had to come in and make an unsolicited opinion public, and that is where these things invariably come apart

[kingkilburn]

I think you and the atheists are the weak minded. You reject the notion that the moral decision you make in life have greater consequences and are fearful that judgment may wait you. Rather than pondering the deeper spiritual nature of humanity you toss your hands up and yell "it don't exist". You are content to believe that you are the center of the universe and all that maters. There is no reason to exist other than to reproduce to continue to exist. Brilliant!
No
No
No
I can ponder spirituality all day and all night without the need for any being claiming dominion over my soul.
I think you are confusing atheism with Christianity there.
Existence does not need a reason. It simply is. You can deal with your own mortality how ever you wish but DO NOT shit on others for how they choose to.

[slydin240sx]

The funniest part is that the thread was never about that to begin with.
But...
as usual, someone had to come in and make an unsolicited opinion public, and that is where these things invariably come apart

Oh I know. It was about that video which I personally enjoyed. But it's not even about the video anymore. Which is why all this he say she say arguing shit is garbage.

If you believe in GOD and the savior Jesus Christ, awesome! If you don't and you believe in no god. Cool. Everyone is entitled to there own view and opinion on life in general.

But arguing back and forth about the bible and what may or may not be right or wrong on certain aspects of life, as it pertains to various religions is stupid.

[kingkilburn]

And bashing people for not believing as you do is bullshit and misquoting and disregarding the bible as you see fit is equally so.

[Akiros]

.... is this thing on? I have a joke. Maybe it's relevant.

OK OK OK.

What's the difference between Religion and Philosphy?
I don't know, but I'm gonna work hard for an answer!

[kingkilburn]

Even Jesus didn't come back from the dead as many times as this thread.

[BarrigaS14]

Even Jesus didn't come back from the dead as many times as this thread.

No kidding. That's what I thought when I saw this up here.